>wields a weapon known as the "Sword of Promised Victory">jobs far more often than she winsWhat did Nasu and Takeuchi mean by this?
>>722545913She needed to waste a lot of mana to justify sex scenes
>>722546273What does this mean? I haven't played this game. Do they get horny when low on mana?
>>722545913there would be no story if that was the casebesides, her defeats are sexy
>>722546362The justification for the sex scenes in the original, uncensored version of the visual novel was that the semen of male magi contained a great deal of mana, and as the plot would have it, Saber had difficulties with natural, non-sexual means of mana supply when it came to her master.People make fun of it because on one hand it sounds so silly, but it's actually rooted in real alchemical beliefs. One supposed way of creating a homunculus back in the day used to be that you let the meat of the animal rot for a week and a half, then nutted on the rotted meat, then stored this mixture for about another twenty days, at the end of which it was supposed to come alive.
>>722545913The sword makes false promises.
>>722545913She wins where it matters (in this case, the HGWs)
>>722545913That's Caliburn, not Ekkusukariba.
>>722546584How does that work when it's a female master
>>722545913The sword promises victory, but does not deliver it. That is up to the wielder.
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>>722546761Magecraft in Fate is quite sexist by our standards. Female magi have no means to produce mana through bodily fluids.
>>722545913The full name was "The sword of eventual promised victory in Eastern mage death battles, but only if a Ginger Japanese boy fucks a virgin"looking on the whole, the promise was accurate as Saber only loses when Shirou fucks a worm whore.
>>722546902>>>722546916Huh, what an odd choice. I remember reading that Fate started out as an otome game so I imagine that had to factor into it somewhere, then.
>>722546761>>722546916Merlin gave Saber a penis so she could have sex with Guinevere. Her evil sister Morgan drugged her and raped her, however, and stole her sperm in order to make Moedred.
>>722547012It did, but it got swapped around to being an eroge for men early enough that we never got any info on what the justification would have been for the otome version's H-scenes. I imagine it would have had to do with synchronizing or whatever.
>>722545913It was a promised victory, not a guaranteed victoryDuh!
>>722547146>>722546849>>722546603Man, the fairies who made the sword were such assholes.
>>722546916Actually female mages can form a mage connection with male mages since Tohsaka does it in UBW route.Basically what I'm saying is that Shirou should just keep Ilya from dying and he can have literally infinite mana despite being a shitty mage via hot adult female hebe male loli stepcest sex and homunculus threesomes on the reg.
>>722546409>caster just had a saber sized dress and lingerie sitting around just for this occasionMedea is based
>>722545913Saber has to get nerfed some way or another, otherwise she just wins the grail war. In FSN shiro has shit mana, in FZ she gets cursed in her literal first fight.
>>722547692Late UBW Saber with Rin as her master is incredibly fucking strong. If Rin actually got her like she planned to she would have steamrolled the entire HGW for sure.
It was absolutely necessary for Tohsaka to finger and lick Artoria's sheath before Shirou did his duties as a master, it was all part of a complex mana replenishment ritual with no ulterior motives.
Something something.. the real power is in the sheath..
>>722547358>tfw no explicit saber rape scene
>>722547803>winter boots with no shoelacesEven for female clothing that's a bit too avant garde.
>>722547358She can probably create stuff out of pure mana.But also Medea is famous for her poisoned dress she used to kill her cheating husband's new wife.
>>722548150>She can probably create stuff out of pure mana.that's not how that works
>>722547849Sword>Decent durability/combat strength>Fortress destroying laserSheath>Perfect Regeneration>Instant kill immunity>Poison Resistance/Immunity>Active Power: InvulnerabilitySaber was a retard.
>>722546916it's all body fluid vampires feed on blood
>>7225481721. Shirou does it all the time, of course the "better" version was pulling shit out of his personal world.2. You didn't respond to my second point.We know Mages can modify existing material with magic, and Medea probably had that dress lying around since it's something that's part of her legend.
>>722548172Isn't that exactly how it works and what Shirou does the entire game?
Traceu onu
>>722548359Not that anon, but creating something out of nothing is literally True Magic territory. Shirou's version can work exactly because it's not nothing that he's creating his projections out of but rather drawing them from his Reality Marble.
>>722548359>>722548391Shirou is literally walking psuedo-Magic. Not magecraft: Magic. With a capital fucking M.Servants don't have literally everything from their legends or else Saber would have her spear with her too.
>>722546916All bodily fluids have magical energy. Male magi just get the benefit that semen has extremely dense concentrations, but magical energy can be found in blood, sweat, and saliva just fine. It can even be transferred through body heat, just by cuddling. These processes exist, but are less than half as effective as seminal injection.
>>722548616So pussy juice should have mana too no? I wonder if rin is selling pussy juice
>>722545913It's Sword of Promised Victory, not Sword of Guaranteed Victory.
>>722548597Like I believe the VN explains that the thing that separates magecraft from True Magic is that the former is about creating the means to make something possible come about, while the latter is about doing something that breaks the laws of the universe, making the impossible possible.
>>722545913It was the wobbly punches.
>>722548605>Servants don't have literally everything Uuuuh...
>>722548172That is how that works. Gradation Air is not a powerful spell for most magi, but it's far from useless.However, Medea certainly wove her own dress because she's that kind of freak.>>722548597>>722548605Projection magecraft is not special. What makes Shirou special is that his projections have significant substance, and gets out much more than he puts in. Anyone could make a dress out of magical energy, so long as they're willing to be wasteful about it.Nothing about projection creates something from nothing, they create something out of energy. Energy isn't nothing.
>>722548747Nasu took the "had everything a man could want in life" part of his legend far too literally.
>>722548795oh my fucking godshirou specifically doesn't use mana to create swords: he uses mana to sustain their existence outside of his reality marble where they already existhis projection magic is an outright byproduct of his reality marble and his analysis autism lets him create things that are so realistic the world mistakes them for actual things, thus letting them last far longer than actual projections created by actual magesbecause shirou is fucking absurd
>>722548605It's been over a decade but my understanding is that Age of God's magic is a bit different from Magecraft in the modern sense, not as limited.That said, Medea's abilities literally include magic item creation as part of her Caster Class kit and she is famous for making a poisoned dress to kill a woman. So her making/having a dress designed to weaken Saber is not all that out there.>>722548605Shirou isn't close to true magic, he's just so broken he has a reality marble.The magic he uses is consider basic bitch magecraft that everyone knows but doesn't use because it's retarded level wasteful. A big plot point was Shirou learning to not try to create weapons but to draw them from the reality marble but the only reason he could even try creating stuff like noble phantasms was because of his reality marble. I think when he actually tries projecting stuff it basically used all his mana (Berserker fight Fate route)
>>722545913Titles, names, and skill descriptions are utterly worthless in Fate. Nasu just writes whatever sounds cool to him at that very moment and then half-asses some shallow justification for it.
>>722548680Not really. Semen creates life. That's just vaginal lubricant to make fucking easier.
>>722545913That's just how Nasu writes. Everyone jobs to everyone under specific conditions that are very conveniently always met. Saber is still the best.
>>722548930Cool, that's entirely besides the point, Gradation Air is still a spell Medea could use at leisure.
>>722548982>Shirou isn't close to true magic, he's just so broken he has a reality marble.you fucking dumbass>>722549072not even close to shirou's levelone bad end has her turn him into a wand for this specific purpose because he is that good at it
>>722548982I think the VN said that the primary advantage of coming from the Age of the Gods for a Caster is that their incantations are like one third the length of the incantations of modern magi.
>>722549109>not even close to shirou's levelNobody cares, the point was making a dress and people said she couldn't, which is not correct.
>>722548930Meanwhile 1st and 2nd True Magic Mages just have literally Infinite Mana, can steal powers/knowledge from the future/alt timelines and basically save or suck anyone they fight.and 3rd Magic users can just mimic any desired magical effect they desire so long as they can pay the mana premium despite not actually knowing how to do that magic in the first place, and this is apparently the degraded Einzbern Homunculus version of the 3rd.Shirou ain't shit.
>>722546761A female master who is actually a magus would simply supply mana to their servant through their contract / bond. That is how it works for a male master as well, by the way, if they are actually a magus. Which is how the grail war was designed to function, it was supposed to be magi who had proper training. Shirou, the protagonist of Fate/Stay Night, is not a magus. He has no proper training in magecraft. He cannot open his magic circuits, he can't properly supply his servant with mana because of this. As a result Saber is basically running on her own internal mana reserves and has to use "power saving measures" like actually going to sleep and eating food to try and maintain her body without mana. Ordinarily a servant has no need for mortal things like sleep and food because they're powered by a continuous flow of mana from their master. They can be alert and combat ready at all times. But Saber had to basically LARP as a real human being due to Shirou's lack of training.So if you can't keep your servant powered up with a mana connection properly, you don't have many options. The most obvious way is to let the servant kill people and essentially devour their souls. And in fact a few different servants in F/SN go this route: Caster harvests a ton of people's life energy without having to actually kill them because she's a very powerful Age of Gods witch and can pull that off, but Shinji and rider go for a more crude method that basically involved melting down an entire school of kids into paste so his servant could suck all their souls up, and Lancer also killed a few people to make up for the mana deficiency he had from Kirei.Rin and Shirou were both strict moralfags who didn't want to kill anybody, and Ilya had no need because she was a living mana battery. Kirei had his own sicko mana power plant in his basement but Gil was monopolizing it, hence why Lancer had to make do with scraps scavenged from town.
oh and if we go into the Notes timeline we have>I deal [your max HP] in true damage by ripping up the equivalent chunk of Gaia to rip a whole in the fabric of reality.Fuck you I win guy.
>>722548729I'm the biggest Saberfag of all time but this image is way too funny to try to defend her from
>>722549193The first magic is timelines.The second magic is just outright magic creation Aoko uses to bruteforce shit. She is actually a terrible mage on a technical level that it pisses off Touko to no end. and what the fuck are you talking about in regards to the third?you're mistaking the wish granting as being a literal thing rather than the above bruteforcingthe third magic is the manifestation of the soul: immortality but also a higher state of being than just living
>>722549283I don't remember was it mostly because Kiritsugu was a bad/reluctant teacher or was it because Shirou was uniquely retarded/a kid when Kiri died that caused Shirou to due everything in the wrong most retarded way possible?
>>722549283Even then, Saber is a unique case because she is actually still living. If she wasn't, I doubt Shirou would've been able to sustain her at all
>>722549172>>722548150
>>722549437>The first magic is timelines.Kaleidoscope is #2 and it's parallel worlds, not just "timelines".>The second magic is just outright magic creation Aoko uses to bruteforce shit. She is actually a terrible mage on a technical level that it pisses off Touko to no end.Blue is #5, and it's transtemporal interfacing to the point of being able to influence the past with information from the future.#1 is Denial of Nothingness and by all appearances it's true creatio ex nihilo. It was Yumina's Magic.
>>722549439Kiritsugu refused to teach him magecraft. He didn't hide the fact he was a magus from Shirou, but had zero interest in teaching him. Mostly because Kiritsugu was himself a "heretic mage" whose skillset was specialized to killing other magi. So he basically couldn't give Shirou a "proper" magus education, only an education in how to be an assassin / mage hunter. He didn't want Shirou to live that kind of life. But Shirou wanted to be the hero Kiritsugu tried to be, that he imagined Kiritsugu was, and so he tried to teach himself. And he was bad at it.
>>722549589Was the post being agreed with. I replied to the reply to that post, which disagreed. Follow the thread.
>>722549597my bad, i was going by order of introductionthe rest of the true magics are ultimately irrelevant and true magic itself is a glorified plot device
>>722549623retard
>>722549283I played the vn recently after having only seen the Zero and UBW animes but holy shit, I never would have guessed what Kirei was doing under the church.
>>722549691Motherfucker can't even follow a reply chain.
>>722549437Like I said, my memory of it might be off. I'm not factchecking myself atm, just speaking off memory.I recall most or maybe just Ilya among the Einzbern Homunculus had Wish granting which was a way to bruteforce magic with paying a Mana Premium (doable due to Homunculus being custom made for Mana capacity).And I guess I swapped the True Magics around.Touko is the 5th Magic which is Timelines.Zelretch is the 2nd Magic Kaleidoscope/Parallel worlds
>>722549535Yeah but that just muddies the waters even further. I was framing the explanation in terms of how the whole master/servant situation is supposed to work. So much about the 5th war is anomalous to the rules initially described, though, that you can hardly use any case as an example of normality. >Saber is summoned by a non-magus and is also technically not even a real heroic spirit>Archer is a Counter Guardian from the future summoned into his own past>Lancer is the most normal one, but his master got ganked and now he's the third wheel to a guy who isn't even supposed to be a master>Rider is loaned out to her master's older brother who she only obeys because her real master tells her to>Caster killed her master and took a non-mage as her new master / husband, but since he can't supply mana she creates a massive mana-harvesting ritual to sustain herself>Assassin is a fake servant "summoned" by Caster to guard her base>Berserker is a cheat character powered by a homunculus with essentially limitless energy and kept mindless with an insanity debuff, but it turns out the homunculus is more interested in resolving her daddy issues than actually doing what she was built to do
>>722547217>the fairies who made the sword were such assholes.Perfectly on brand. Folklore-wise, the fey were always giga douchebags. I don't know what PR magic they did in pop culture the past few decades that the common image of Faeries nowadays is being adorable cute things of goodness and whimsy.
>>722549885>Touko is the 5th Magic which is Timelines.she fucking wishes
>>722549589What am I being (You)'d?>>722549623>>722549691The fuck are you two arguing about at this point?
>>722549951supposed to be Touko's sister I mean, I don't remember her name.Touko is Big Red of the infinite Doll Bodies and "the glasses give me morals" right?
>>722549892Normal and Nasuverse cannot be used in the same sentence. The world by its nature in the setting is transient and influenced by the unconsciousness of all humanity. Reality gives way to people with extreme egos and wills with the means to power their projection of it. that is to say if a writer can plausibly convince the audience that x can do y because of z>>722549885>Touko is the 5th Magic which is Timelines.nopeshe can just use so much mana to move events farther down timeyes, it's bullshittrue magic, i ain't gotta explain shit
>>722545913She looks like she fucks Japanese boys and girls.
>>722550273Actually she only fucks her hot sister.Japanese girls and boys rape her.
>>722550115Yes. The Fifth Magician is Aoko.
>>722545913Nasu is a hack that thinks subversion is the greatest literary tool ever made. He literally only writes bullshit just so he can subvert it later and create artificial hype and stakes.
>>722545913
Kaliedoman looked at the 5th holy grail war and decided to prevent it from happening in an alternate reality by... creating magical girls
>>722550561Is Kara no Kyoukai a good anime? I remember only watching a bit of the first movie.
>>722551004eh
>>722551004Touko and Aoko aren't from KnK, they're from Mahoutsukai no Yoru, another Nasuverse VN.
>>722549535That doesn't help her at all. It only hurts her, being unable to dematerialize.
>>722551131anon...
>>722551181Saber still has her original dragon core, which allows her to sustain herself to some degree. If she were a pure servant, it'd be entirely on Shirou. Dematerializing would help her save mana but she'd be draining far faster
>>722551446Saber as she is in FSN is a proper servant, excluding the ability to dematerialize and possessing a concurrent memory between summonings. She's otherwise no different than any other HS.
>>722551613My dude, in spite of everything, Saber is capable of surviving a heart nick from Gae Bulg, trashing every servant save Lancer or Berserker in an upfront fight, and Excaliblasting Rider's bitch ass Pegasus out of existence. There is no fucking way in hell she is doing all of that and not generating her own mana, which she says eating all that food helps in
>>722551764They explain it all in the game. She has X starting units, spends x per day, and regains x per day by eating and sleeping which is slightly more than she loses but combat actions take a lot. That's why she's dead weight after the rider fight until the dicking.
>>722546916People have some misconceptions about how the whole mana transfer thing works. It's true that it's mentioned that semen has tons of mana in it, but sex itself is the important ritual to connect the souls. In the case of Saber the mana automatically goes from Shirou to Saber after sex because Saber is his familiar and there's already a magical pact established.In any other case you need at least one person to be a wizard to establish the direction the mana is going to flow in during sex. Rin for example gives Shirou mana in UBW and not the other way around. In Fate/Extra your female servant can have sex with another female master for mana transfer as well.
>>722552797>In Fate/Extra your female servant can have sex with another female master for mana transfer as well.more like my fox wife showed my bratty asian bitch who is the wife and who is the fuckmeat we keep around to spice things up
>>722552797East Asia loves its sex magic. I remember reading that taoists thought you could attain immortality if you had sex with a woman but never to the point of orgasm because women have more life force and you can drain it through sex like a vampire if you were a taoist master who knew how. But the most important thing was to never nut while simultaneously cloming as close to it as humanly possible.
>>722551131Touko's adult self is though from KnK. Just like how Aoko appears in Tsukihime.
>>722553132Based taoists mastering the ancient art of edging
>>722553132fucking madmen
>>722548605Saber with her full kit would be insane.>Sword forged by Fairies that promises victory>Spear that holds the world together>Sheath for said sword that can heal any injuryNot to mention she has a named dagger and shield which I bet are strong as fuck too.
>>722553149>Sword forged by Fairies that promises victoryhonestly when you bring up who made the promise, i have doubts about the whole thing
>>722554048hilarious and brilliant way of looking at it
>>722545913Saibah basically had to be nerfed into the ground because at full power and with her full kit she'd stomp so hard even Gil wouldn't do shit. She has to come without Avalon, without any of her other weapons like Rhongomyniad, without her dragon core that effectively provides her with insane mana generation and so on and so forth. This is the result of Nasu playing favorites then realizing his favorites are way too fucking busted so he comes up with some bs weakness that can expertly be exploited at just the right time to defeat the otherwise unbeatable foe.He' still doing it to this day with FGO.
>>722553609That doesn't really mean anything since Gil got the prototype versions of all of them and he lost way more than Saber.
>>722556102Gil only has the prototypes of manmade weapons, divine weapons and such are not in his vault. This means none of Saber's weapons are in it, nor any weapons from heroes like Karna.
>>722554837lol>no Avalon and Excalibur>only Rhon>but for some reasons can>use clairvoyance to look far into the modern age>time travel>mana burst attacks can cross time and space and directly affect a structure that is protected by the earth magnetic field>mere power level release can force servants and humans to kneel or paralyze them>can just build a castle town out of nothing with protection so strong not even Excalibur level np can damage it, requiring an attack that is pure and 'not an attack' to destroy the gate>can just summon the Round Table knights and buff them even further>casual beam is 3,000 times stronger than the averaging strong np>pretty much the only antagonist who isn't killed or actually defeated since she was ready for another round but the mc got teleported back to his baseHere you go, the so called 'Perfect, Inhuman and Invincible King'.
>>722546584the japanese are so unhinged.
>>722556642this one doesn't really count because she had a grail powering her and was under the influence of Rhongo's divinity and thus was a theoretical "what if" Seibah, but yeah if Seibah was allowed to use all of her toys at max power she'd be really busted.
>>722556642one of countless reasons why fgo isn't canon
