shit

poo

tier 3 is garbage scale and knocks of alot of strats but other than that it's been a fun few hours.

>>722552437
i feel like everytime i die in this game it's a skill issue and i just pick whatever items pop up p much

>>722552546
this. just take the xp tome and banish all the items that proc when youre hit and nearly every run is winnable

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>what if we took risk of rain and turned it into a braindead skinner box like vampire survivors
>and stuff it with reddit memes as well

I hate to say it but it doesn't seem like my cup of tea, personally.

>>722552723
i have 100 hours in risky 1, 200 in risky 2 and 100 in risky remaster
i feel like this game is better than all of them. bhopping is fun, building your character is a lot of fun and even though it's auto attack the combat feels more strategic than risky where you just mash cooldowns

ris of rain 2 but better and cringier.

>start round
>get XP book
>get Luck book
>?????
>win

>>722553530
whats the point of luck?

shit, like vampire survivors and anything else in that genre

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>>722552297
I like it

>>722553665
Rarity of items you get from boxes, stone faces statues and level-up reward
You can stack Luck on first world and get something crazy like anvil, you just auto win

>>722552297
Looks fun but for me to consider buying it, it needs a little more content and especially a couple more maps with new enemies anf bosses.

I showed my normalfag friend it and he's been hooked playing nonstop for days lol

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>>722552297
The final boss being liquid dogshit drags the game down hard.

>>722552297
Calcium makes all the other characters feel like shit. I literally can't play anything but him.

>>722552297
Redditbonk

>>722552723
ror is a boring slog with oversized maps

>>722554926
once you figure out how to bunny hop around or whatever you want to call it you can get good speed with anyone

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I'm using a mod to get perfect runs only because I'm a winner

>>722554926
this but birdo and fox

>>722555315
>Unlock shit item
>Game becomes worse
lol

>>722555462
>what is the toggler

>>722553943
Its $10. You are poor.

Kinda fun for a bit but you aren't really incentivized to use "bad" weapons or tomes and should just run the stuff that works. I'd like to see some weapon+item synergy to make some of the weapons have a good niche if you get the right blue or purple item by luck. Like I wonder how you make Poison Flask good as a primary weapon without just reworking it, but if you made it have additional weirdo affects cause of having poison items like Cheese or Toxic Barrel

>pick sniper rifle
>3 other weapons become obsolete and drop to the last place of the dps meter
not to mention that all of your dps comes from procs like bonk/gloves/tonic anyway so you're better off ignoring weapons altogether and maxing out xp/quant/attack speed tomes

>>722552297
/v/ seething out of 10

>>722555759
quantity tome is a noob crutch, halfway through the second stage youre already shitting out a billion projectiles from levels and shrines, you really do not need it with attack speed tome. xp/luck/damage/attack speed is best for a casual run. luck is replaceable with something else if you feel like it

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>make good build
>can no longer see and just stand in place for an hour while stuff dies
>randomly die one hour in at 200k kills

its kinda dumb but it sparks my already fried dopamine receptors i guess

>>722556134
quant is 100% dmg increase the first time you pick it and 50% the second time
without it you'll get rolled through tier 3 maps without even starting the run, not to mention challenges

>>722556467
thats what shrines and levels are for. quantity drops off HARD past the initial " i need immediate damage" phase of the first four minutes

>>722556671
>99 projectiles is worse than 5x damage
ok

>>722555520
Baby retard mode.

>>722556730
with the attack speed tome you have effectively zero downtime on shitting out projectiles, quantity does the exact same thing as attack speed but worse. 5x damage on infinity projectiles is so much better than infinity+99 projectiles

>>722556852
your main damage is not projectiles, but procs
now guess how you get more procs

>>722552297
funfunfunfunfunfun!

Revolver seems like a really good weapon with all the projectile bounces. Pair that with damage or crit, and it seems really well setup.

>>722552297
Cheap, fun twist on the genre. No real staying power but it'll give you a few evenings of fun and it's cheaper than a movie ticket. Worth a buy if you like that style of game.

Where are the webms you fucking shill nigger

>>722556983
okay what the fuck are you going for here, a casual run or a record run? because sniper is shit at record runs but now youre saying that the only damage that matters is procs which the sniper is only okay at best at applying. damage tome absolutely shits on the final boss

>>722556847
>this item is shit!
>turn it off then
>thats for baby retards! i want to complain!

I got memed on by the final boss because he took my aegis and I didn't realize. My dps phased him instantly.

>>722552437
yeah its basically another FOTM game, that doesnt do anything special. Its fun but poorly balanced, and is frontloaded (making it perfect for eceleb pandering)
It was sold as risk of rain meets vampire survivors, and yeah, mechanically its like someone took vampire survivors and added RoR mechanics in.
but it has zero of the quality and care RoR got, instead replaced by memes. So you dont realise how shit things are because youre laughing at "ussy" words or a bonk sfx.
Ultimately most of the people shilling it have either played for only 1~4 hours or havent played it at all and only watched some faggot play it for them, if you push through to T3 or later challenges, you realise there is only one way to play and youre doing the same thing over and over.

music is pretty good though, however they should let it swap to the next track instead of looping

Does lifesteal proc on poison? I love dots and rushed to unlock amoc but I don't do so well with him. So far the most fun I had was the squeleton in the desert

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>>722552971
>even though it's auto attack the combat feels more strategic than risky
This has got to be one of the most retarded things anyone has ever written on 4chan...

>>722555462
>>722555520
this is up there though.
its purely bad game design to have an item that actively makes the game worse, but to defend it by saying "toggle it off then" is pretty stupid as such a system is in itself bad design. How am I supposed to feel good about winning if I simply only allow myself the best items? "You didnt beat the game" posts actually have a point here, no?
Whats the point of doing the steps to unlock an item if im only going to remove it anyway?
Why wouldnt I just only allow the best items?
How am I meant to know which items are fair game to remove in order to dodge "you didnt beat the game"
This game has a scoreboard, how is it fair that honest players are up against people who only allow legendary build defining items without any tag saying they cheated?
Why did they bother to put shit items into the game?
Why do you think its a good idea to just remove them with the filter, instead of having the developer buff the shit items to not be shit?
How is using a badly designed system to circumvent another badly designed system in any way a defence of the badly designed system?

Every time someone makes this argument, I swear they are genuinely retarded and didnt think for one second about the ramifications of their opinion.

>>722552297
Streamer bait. just ignore it and it will die down in a week

>>722558429
you know you can make different builds right
if you have a certain build in mind then they give you the option to turn off items that dont work with that build. is it really THAT awful to give the player options?

the guy owes a shit ton of money to whoever made vampire survivors and risk of rain

>get fucktown of damage dominating everyone
>go through a portal
>cant kill shit
The fuck am I doing wrong

>>722558589
not bhopping to the nearest moai and shrines immediately

>>722556467
can you not read, nigger?
he said >>722556134
>quantity tome is a noob crutch, halfway through the second stage youre already shitting out a billion projectiles from levels and shrines
it falls off as you will naturally hit quantity buffs without it.
You are wasting 1 of your 2/3/4 slots for a few more projectiles. >>722556730
99? nigger you are getting like +5 from the tome by the time you are in stage 2 or 3 KEK

in the meantime, you could have had double damage or attack speed.
You clearly havent played the game or are only 3 hours in and havent done the later challenges. if you had, youd know how right that anon is.

>>722556852
>with the attack speed tome you have effectively zero downtime on shitting out projectiles
thats not how attack speed works, the "reload" time is the same regardless, attack speed makes you shoot faster.

so you go from, say, 5 seconds to shoot your shots and 2 seconds of reload to 2 seconds to shoot your shot and 2 seconds of reload.
its faster to get out damage, sure, but the reload is the same regardless. Some weapons may be different in that regard though

>>722553665
Increases your chances of getting legendary items and makes your level ups provide more stats. A legendary level up is 2x the base level up.

>>722558267
Yes, lifesteal is very good on Amog

>>722557418
why is there always brainlets like you making this argument?

>bad design
>"circumvent it with more bad design then!"
no, id rather the dev knows the item is shit and adress it with a patch. and Id rather not waste time working to unlock something that later turns out to be literally detrimental, and being told by a faggot that I am not able to complain about that because I can also just lock the item again.
Yes, we know, retard, but thats not the point being made.
This is an 18+ site, btw.

>>722558654
The difference between Gungeon at launch vs post-synergy update is also massive. Its actually a good game after all the updates.

>>722558906
are you sure? by the time i have like 500% attack speed my attacks are pretty much constant

>>722558984
>>722558554

I did the bandit size+black hole strat and not one of my twenty four legendaries happened to be joes dagger or za wardo. Ended at a measly 283k because i got one shot in attempt to grab a chest 40ish minutes in stage 3 overtime. I was upset.

So what's the meta?

I know for tomes its
>xp,cursed,luck

>>722558429
>Every time someone makes this argument, I swear they are genuinely retarded and didnt think for one second about the ramifications of their opinion.
yep, they are actually just cattle-brained.
They dont think about it before posting, I GUARANTEE you they wrote that out and didnt once think about it. They are the "I didnt have breakfast, though" people.

you say there is a shit item, they respond "there is a toggle retard" like an NPC. They dont actually think for a single second about it
"hmm, they probably already know about the toggle, and I guess on further reflection, thats not really an excuse nor was it their point. Good thing I didnt just respond instantly like an NPC!"

>>722552297
I like it even if I can't get through tier 2
Jump is way too big

>>722558554
idk personally I prefer the "fuck you" approach of a game like TBOI, but that comes with its own set of issues

>>722559121
for record runs im pretty sure its
>bandit, black hole, lightning, aura
>xp, cursed, luck, size
get anvil as early as you can, get as many joes daggers and za warudos as you can, get a overpowered lamp and banish all other legendaries
i might be off on a couple details

>>722558429
You're not gonna like it, but the answer to all of your existential questions is "who gives a shit?"

>>722558906
>so you go from, say, 5 seconds to shoot your shots and 2 seconds of reload to 2 seconds to shoot your shot and 2 seconds of reload.
This is untrue. Attack speed shortens the entire attack cycle.

>>722558429
>How am I meant to know which items are fair game to remove in order to dodge "you didnt beat the game"
opinion discarded

>>722559359
>youre probably stacking different weapons and seeing that
its pretty hard to mix up the dexecutioner or lightning or sword with something else, >>722559363 is right. the pause is definitely shortened with attack speed.

>>722558994
yep, if anyone wrote it off before they should give it another shot, its actually great now.

The thing is 90% of the synergies they added was shit already in isaac, thats how much of a difference it can make and all they had to do was take notes.
there was genuine shit unlocks like the letter r, which went from garbage pool trash to amazing synergistic weapon with one update. The weapon is still shit, until you get certain items that then elevate it to an actually good weapon.
Theres no reason more, if not all roguelikes cant do this. Ive heard "Its hard, complex, and gets exponentially harder with every new item added!"

thats why you design around it, and START with a simple tag system that fluidly marks weapons and modifiers in such a way that the synergies dont take much effort to develop, noita and magicraft did this well with their spells. Just code your game with weapons listing what they could be effected by and then work in the effects, minimal testing to see how it works in practice that way. no manual programming needed.
Then that dev time can go to making combo weapon synergies, like the aforementioned letter r in gungeon, or brimstone bombs in isaac.

>>722552297
needs more characters and items

>>722552297
megasneed

I hope the dev doesnt take the money and run. He should add combo weapons so I have a reason to take shitty tombs like thorns or attraction or regen in a game with legendaries that make them all pointless.

Just bought it...Reminds me more of a Vampire Hunters clone than Vampire Survivors

Picked it up and played about 10 hours this weekend, cleared tier 3 with Sir Oofie. It was surprisingly fun, but I don't think there's much else for me. Definitely a front-loaded game that runs out of gas, but still worth ten bux.

>>722557228
who cares about the boss lmao

>Boss spawns directly under you and you die
>Enemies drop on top of you and get stuck on top and you just die
make it fucking stop

>>722560218
this is why i always end up with like 5 jumps

>>722560218
bhoplet

>>722558994
imagine thinking a game gets better just because they added random buff pairings to items
go play a slot machine

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It's fun and I'm addicted to survivors slop but nothing surpasses Holocure. New Holocure update when? Karlson when?

>>722552297
quite possibly the most reddit game ever made, and that includes deltatroon

>>722559695
couldn't get into isaac. I loathe environmental hazards like spikes

What tier do people run for record runs?

>>722560676
3, duh
more free items and most importantly, more difficulty shrines and two extra final waves. after an hour or so ghosts start to break through even with a god run

>>722558786
>you are getting like +5 from the tome by the time you are in stage 2 or 3
Your level up options are always either quantity and xp so you'd get at least 20 levels in both by stage 2, and 70+ in stage 3. Maxed out if you can actually play the game and farmed black spirits during the final waves. It's not that complicated.

>>722560797
>running two tomes
>his second tome is quantity of all things
run attack speed next time, trust me

>>722559695
gungeon is only fun when you play lich and you unlock him by... beating the game
lmao

>>722560878
The initial argument was about damage tome vs quantity. Everyone runs attack speed tome in every build already.

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>>722558589
The scaling in this game is awful
>First boss - 20k HP
>Last boss - 8 million

>press E on a bush
>die

>>722561012
this guy specifically said
>Your level up options are always either quantity and xp
hes not running attack speed lmao

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>see cute anthro fox on main art
>think it's a furry game
>it's just one character

>borgar
>golden shield
>electric plug
>phantom shroud
>spiky shield
luv me banish, simple as

>>722558176
Same problems as most survivorslop. The only one I really liked was brotato.

>>722560218
>Having an amazing run
>Spawn the last boss
>He is standing 100 feet in the air
>not stuck on anything, just in the air
>suddenly drops right on top of me and kills me
I had to turn the game off

>>722552297
Worth it for $10, I've gotten my fun out of it. Probably won't play it much more. I've wasted ten bux on far less shit.

This game is balanced like ass, but I'm holding out hope that it selling as well as it has means the dev isn't going to take the money and run and will actually do something about it.
Then again, maybe he already knows it has become a FOTM game at this point and will do that anyway.

>>722556983
my weapon damage consistently tops my dps at the end game charts. that said, i take xp, attackspeed, damage, and quantity tomes.

>>722561170
I'm that guy. The probability of seeing at least one tome is 92% at that's the only time you're forced to pick something besides xp/quantity to not waste a reroll (again, leveling weapons early is worse than useless). 64% chance to see xp or quantity tome on each level up means they'll get ahead other tomes very quickly. With 7 rerolls you can completely remove bad roll of 3 weapon upgrades on a level up, meaning the overall chance is technically even higher. I have a feeling you don't spam xp tome enough on level up, getting baited into shiny red/yellow upgrades and end up severely underleveled. I finish all my runs at 40/40/40/40 weapons an 99/99/99/99 tomes without even using the curse tome or standing at the portal for half an hour. So maybe git gud?

>>722561324
why do you broadcast your mental illness

>>722558561
???

>>722552297
I cannot for the life of me understand what people see in these awful "survivors" games
Like, seriously, play an actually fun and complex game like Risk of Rain 2, not some autistic percentage / aoe range simulator
At least that game is 3d, most "survivors" games are just shitty top down 2d "bullet heavens" (some term people gave it since it's like an opposite of bullet hell due to you being the one spamming projectiles everywhere)
Even that Coal LLC is a more interesting and innovative game in that percentage autism / zoomer progress dopamine hit -genre

>>722561641
idk it's always tonic/grabbies/legendaries at the top for me
maybe dexecutioner can get there given enough time but going for a record run in a game that forces you to do nothing for 2 hours is retarded

>>722561812
Ror is slow and retarded

>>722561671
>I finish all my runs at 40/40/40/40 weapons an 99/99/99/99 tomes
sounds awful ngl, my eyes already start to glaze over at stage 3 on mass level ups. that kind of overleveling is definitely not needed in the slightest
>git gud?
i finish all my runs at half your level with no problem, attack speed is so much better than quantity LOL

>>722559359
then you suck at testing, because attack speed speeds up everything. you can have 40 quantity and it has X time to do it in. that comes WITH a reload time. when you have increase attack speed, you reduce the time it takes for all of those attacks to go off, AND the reload time. even if the reload time has a bottom limit (like a mandatory minimum of .2 seconds or something), you're still shortening the ENTIRE rest of the attack cycle. there might always be a pause, but your "braps" get shorter, regardless of quantity.

>>722559083
toggle off all the legendaries except joe's dagger and anvil. then save your banishes for legendary items. i get 1 of every legendary before banishing them. the magic lamp takes itself out of the item pool without you needing to banish it. then you banish everything else and can have a legendary pool of only 1 or 2 legendaries.
leaderboard grinding isn't fun. you don't have to do it btw.

>>722560218
why are you standing still? why are trying to upskirt the boss?

>>722561450
sadly the devs nerfed the knockback there, you can't throw cunts out of the map

>>722561831
>going for a record run
>do nothing for 2 hours
thats why you just accomplish objectives and enjoy the game, instead of caring about other people.

the mere fact that there's a "meta" way to play a survivorslike is enough proof that it's shit

>>722561894
>ror is too slow
>5 minutes per stage rule is still one of the most prominent ways to play the game
bait used to be believable

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>>722561812
I enjoy both Survivors games and RoR, I've nearly 100%'d both Returns and 2. I think this game is fun, if still rough around the edges.
>b-b-but survivorslop is soulless and brainless!!
Yes, and? Sometimes I just want to play something and not have to fucking tryhard it every session.

>>722561671
>I finish all my runs at 40/40/40/40 weapons an 99/99/99/99 tomes
>without standing at the portal for half an hour
lmao you're definitely lying, because there is no shot that you can invest in THAT much xp early and still have the damage the clear. also, getting that many levels isnt even REMOTELY necessary to clear, and you're definitely spending more time on the level up screen than most people are playing the actual game. your pathetic brag is actually a self own.

>>722562027
i had the ones i thought were kinda ass or useless off already. banish is a great idea though. i only had one banish before the run and i used it early on burger lol. the run game me like 1600 coins so now i have all the shop unlocks. i just wanted to be #1 on my friends list (which 283k is right now) might try again for 1mil though because i know how to improve my run.

>>722559083
>>722562027
lmao you guys play such a boring and unfulfilling game. you have to be a special kind of turbo autist to enjoy idling like that.

>>722562018
>a mandatory minimum of .2 seconds or something), you're still shortening the ENTIRE rest of the attack cycle. there might always be a pause, but your "braps" get shorter, regardless of quantity.
Thats LITERALLY WHAT I WAS SAYING YOU DUMB ILLITERATE NIGGER.
>>722559359
>getting high attack speed results in faster bursts
>>722558906
>so you go from, say, 5 seconds to shoot your shots and 2 seconds of reload to 2 seconds to shoot your shot and 2 seconds of reload

>>722562364
did your teacher make you wear helmets when you were younger? i specifically said it wasn't fun.

what is it about this game that brings out all the illiterates and misinformed

holy shit the runners are such fucking niggers

>>722562380
its not 2 seconds. its a very brief pause at high attack speed. also i said "IF" there is a mandatory reload. i dont know if there is, but you're a faggot for sure who doesnt understand how attack speed works and that its good.

>>722562070
You lost.

>>722561894
It literally gets harder and more fast paced the longer you stay in a map,
the only reason you'd say it's slow is because you're too cowardly for the "risk" part

>>722562292
Maybe try the... quantity tome.
That's literally it.
XP every time you see it, yes, even a green one over legendary damage tome.
Quantity when you don't.
AS/DMG when there's no other choice.
I'm sorry you couldn't figure out how to play such simple game by yourself.

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>>722562606
sounds boring and lame as fuck though.
>also she is STILL trying to peddle the quantity tome
KEQUE

>>722562364
>get 40/40/40/40 and 99/99/99/99
>watch youtube video while doing uma musume dailies
>come back 50 minutes later
>collect chests and kill boss
>watch anime for a few hours then see i died at some point
i enjoy idling so much!!

>>722562606
quantity is so good you need to max out your levels to win LMAO

>>722558429
>How am I supposed to feel good about winning if I simply only allow myself the best items?
It's part of the game, therefore you beat the game even if you use that.

>>722562656
at this point why not just play an idle game?
>>722562690
>I only allowed the best meta items and legendaries
you did not, in fact, beat the game.

>>722562719
The game is not difficult to beat, get over it.

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>>722562761
so then why are you removing all of the fun out of it and playing in the most boring way possible??
are you actually retarded?
if its not that hard, why are you being a metaslave bitch?

it's a vampire survivors-like
you play one you've played them all
i don't understand why devs keep making them when they're just about exactly the same every time

>>722562667
Yes, quantity is so good I don't need anything else and can go all in on XP.
I'm going to need to see cleared "what the fuck 3" challenge from you if you want to continue this.

>>722555315
based

>>722562869
>no proof posted
you first, niggerchan

>>722562606
lmao, nah, i think i'll diversify my assets and be done in easily half the time as you. even assuming that raw quantity (and procs) can carry you, that is a pathetically dogshit way to play. you dont need that many levels, and the time spent on the level up screen alone invalidates your argument.

>beat all the content megabonk has to offer in every way possible
>start doing leaderboard runs
>"nooooooo! you have to k-keep p-playing le fun random way liek me!!"
been there done that. now im aiming for #1

>>722552297
Aura ftw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7okZwvYpuU

>Can't keep up with enemy scaling cause the game literally just gives me tomes after tomes after tomes

>>722563193
cool, not watching that though.
just checking, attackspeed increases the tick rate, right?
but quantity wont do anything, right?

>>722562936
I accept your concession.

>>722561736
why do you project your mental illness onto other people

>>722563448
holy BASED megachad

>reddit survivors
No thanks.

This looks like some flash game

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got a 500k run today. maybe I'll try for million idk.

>>722552297
Its a fun little game, way better than most modern slop and no this game isnt slop you are allowed to have fun and make crazy numbers if you want or you can play like a normal human being and try fun builds, most modern games dont do that also the game is literally less than 200mb wtf.

>>722552297
Balance is kinda shit, you're basically always going to want to run EXP+Luck and some combination of Damage/Projectile/Attack Speed/Size for your tomes. Also don't like the randomized level designs with how little mobility most characters have at base.

>>722552297
More like NEGASHIT!!!
I still want to fuck the fox though.

Never heard of it.

>>722563936
>108:39
>only ~10:00 of which was actual gameplay
and people in this thread are claiming this is fun.

>>722565125
there's 3 stages and a boss fight idiot-kun

>>722564410
>2025
>people still think leaderboards work and are a good idea
there are too many indians, chinese, and americans playing games now. They all cheat and hack to #1 so whats the fucking point, now dev time is spent on the cat and mouse LB system instead of balancing the game.

I would play one of those mob mowing "roguelites" if it had actual gameplay in the style of a musou.

>>722565253
that's at least 30 minutes of gameplay retard

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>>722564410
>surely i'll be the one to finally solve cheating in video games!
just give up and remove the leaderboard. it will never not just be the top cheaters

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fun run, end got real boring though. tony seems okay, wish his passive was better
>DUDE sit there for an hour leveling to max!
no, i dont think i will

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does unlocking this stop all the boomboxes from showing up on the map? it would be nice not having to second guess a microwave from a distance but i dont care about it otherwise

>>722552297
wasted 30 hours on it and feel empty. like i could have been doing anything else like playing an actual videogame but i didnt. i only wasted 10 hours on vampire survivors in comparison and i told myself i would never play this type of game again

>>722563936
Is the end really just AFKing forever?

>>722565447
this is so funny to me
i am used to playing games which demand your constant unparalleled attention with zero to no downtime for, sometimes for dozens of hours straight

we need more risk of rain 2 clones

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>>722565125
a max kill run is very different than a standard run.

>>722565792
yes it stops them from showing up again

>>722565447
>gameplay
>pressing w and space until you can roll your slot machine to see number go up

>>722566087
yes this is a videogame

Why did the dev verbatim just copy and paste the ROR2 boss into the game for the final boss of a run when 80% of the characters have absolutely fucking horrible starter weapons that cant hurt them and horrible movement so they cant outrun his tracking orbs.

>>722566169
>he didnt grab a few movement upgrades
>he didnt grab any extra jumps
>he didnt spend the last half of stage 3 focusing on his starter weapon
ngmi

>>722566169
you can phase him easily before he takes all your weapons and then one round of pylons then you get your second wep back
maybe consider taking some jump and movespeed upgrades instead of pure damage

>>722566308
that sounds gay, af, why would i pick anything but damage when playing megachad. a good game would account for all builds and let you win the bossfight with any of them.

>>722566476
Well the faggot copied Risk of Rain 2 down to a T including the shitty final boss that steals your weapons and invalidates a shit ton of different playstyles

>>722565610
>aura in a proj build
retard

>>722566476
I had to start picking wrenches to actually beat the boss, otherwise I kept dying to balls even with stacked aegis
But final boss is gay, most challenges end at the portal so even the dev thinks that the boss is optional

>>722566623
i never used aura before, just grabbed it on a whim cause i already got anvil and it was a won run

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>get a bunch of cheese
>bunch of dolls
>everything dies
is that easy

>complain about final boss's shitty design
>flood of discord faggots rush to say its a skill issue that the boss literally just invalidates 90% of the builds in the game
>just run attack speed, quantity, xp, crit chance over and over again

the dev said he's changing cheese to a legendary item and gating it behind new unlocks for his third stage

>walk in a circle
>final boss can no longer hit you
uhh... bros?

>>722555462
i hate this fucking shit
i was playing a roguelike game a few months back that at first was a ton of fun every run, then i finished one too many runs and i suddenly unlocked a bunch of new items and mechanics that didnt mesh with each other and made everything more complicated for less gain, and the game got 10x more difficult and unfun
fucking hate it
GET BETTER AT GAME DESIGN

>>722566904
you're right that the game has tons of objectively horrible design and that brainwashed cult member retards think acknowledging shit design = skill issue, but
>just run attack speed, quantity, xp, crit chance over
none of these even help against the final boss. You specifically need additional jumps, the PERFECT amount of movespeed (not too much or too little), you need to get exactly 0 feathers from chests, and you need extremely high armor or regen (lifesteal doesn't work).

>>722552297
Best game to play with Epilepsy.

any tips on beating the forest giant end boss? at his 3rd shrine thing i get overwhelmed and combo'd to death by his orbs and cant sustain it

>>722567159
15 wrenches

>>722566476
The game needs to rebalance enemy scaling to make damage focused builds work, the game's very undercooked in that regard which is the reason the meta is so restrictive

>>722566968
>boss becomes invincible unless you stand in a tiny circle that's too small too bhop in
uhh...bros?

>>722567136
this entire post reeks of not being able to walk in a circle
>>722567240
literally just go in a circle

>>722567320
I can only walk in a square, help.

how does enemy scaling work in this game does the enemy get tougher with time or should i sweep the stage for chest.

>>722566904
typical discord faggot behavior
when you like a game so much that you not only join the discord but also become active in it, then of course you would reject any notion that the game has obvious design flaws
>these 100s of people playing the game and complaining are just insanely retarded and don't know my perfect obscure method to counter it (that i learned from a guide pinned in the discord channels and is hard to access without joining first)!

>>722567382
square works too if you have enough movement speed
>>722567410
go in a circle

>>722567398
yes

>>722567320
i guarantee i have a higher score than you, have more unlocks than you, and have more challenge completions than you

>>722555315
Watch, cheese, doll, socks and key are good green items

>>722567830
damn bro all that and you dont know how to walk in a circle? sounds rough

>>722552297
Instead of my usual 3 projectiles where one is lightning staff and tryng to stack projectile count I unlocked the character with aegis and she gains thorns. Athena

I didnt have great luck on items or anything but I got armor thorns and lifesteal and lasted for over 6 minutes after final wave stuck in a corner with aegis, aura and something else. I guess it was a pretty busted strategy before the patch nerfed it too but im guessing people also toss in an XP tome to make it better, plus I didnt shut off or banish any items so a bunch were useless.

Still fun though.

Also did a run getting to t3 boss as monke and I had over 24 projectile tome plus a bunch in the weapons themselves. There were so many bananas that they stopped being projectile thrown out and instead bugged out and warped into a physical blob sphere of bananas around my character and to deal damage I had to get right up next to the boss. I lost cause I sorta had too much jumpheight and not good speed to dodge his hits but ive only got there twice now.

I felt the demo was more fun, all the full version needs is co-op and modding and the replay value skyrockets.

fun fact, if you torrent it your username is automatically set to mrgoldberg

>>722556134
Quantity is very viable
If you want to break the game and hit a high spot on the leaderboards, it's not great as attack speed does scale better (and I believe most people just use bandits passive for their attack speed needs since they hit lvl 2k+). But if you want a t3 clear it's perfectly fine

>>722567890
You are a trash söylent consuming faggot cult member who cannot accept criticism of your favorite youtuber's game. I've beaten the boss more than you. Temu Mithrix is objectively shit design regardless of how much of a crush you have on your groomer youtuber.

>>722555315
No red credit card?

>>722568071
circle

>>722559121
If you're trying to get unlocks or game clears you can drop cursed and maybe even luck tome for other ones that help you get more immediate power

Other gimmicks need proper balancing
I like spaceman but he's so dogshit

Also unlocking cactus is just a pain, I can't see the strat and I thought Athena would do the trick

>>722555315
Based togglodyte, aim for numba 1.

>>722552297
It's one of those games that remind you that the average age on /v/ is 15

>>722559267
Any item that has a fast proc rate is good
You also need the legendary that periodically sucks in xp, as black holes take some time to setup and too much moving risks a mod spawning on you and insta popping a zawarudo

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All I can really think is it's incredibly lame that this sort of low-effort mishmash of established concepts gets rewarded time and time again. It could be fun, I guess, but only fags and gay fags would reward this shit.

>>722565609
Even if a game has a very good anticheat, people then just boosts or other types of rmt to place higher lol

>>722552297
i hate it, but i understand why it did so well
the developer lacks refined taste, but is still very competent at creating commercial products

>>722567514
how much time should i spend on a stage on average of a good run?

>>722552297
It's survivors with ror2
The items however are more important than the skills and passives you pick, and there's an extreme amount of variance between items of the same tier. It also does away with fusions which might be a mistake, as you now just pick mechanically the best weapons and tomes on repeat.
Humor is pretty bad
Music is solid
Like a 6/10, it can be pretty addicting and it's cheap, but very shallow

I'm going at home to play this, what should i expect?

>>722568630
Always the full amount boss should be activated around 2 min from end time depending on your build if you’re comfortable with damage go overtime as long as possible but stand near gate be wary of the black spooks freighttrain.
If you get good rolls consider getting curse to increase enemy spawn/hp/damage for even more scaling but xp tome is necessary if you go that route

>>722568757
what do you mean by 2min from end time?

>>722568713
Stupid runs that dont go anywhere meaningful until you unlock 4 weapon slots, 4 tome slots and a strong character.

>>722569480
Each level starts you with a 10 minute timer. He's suggesting that you hit the portal when the timer goes from 10:00 and counts down to 2:00. I disagree though. I always hit the portal at 1:00. It gives me more time to loot.

>>722569513
lol nah it really isnt hard at all to win with 2 weapons/tomes.
>>722568713
the xp tome is required, just have fun dicking around

>>722552971
so what im reading is that you have 300 hours in risky but are still bad at it

>>722562212
5 minutes per stage is a completely pointless counterproductive rule
you should rush for fun not efficiency. The automatic forward timeskip when crossing stages will always matter waay more than 5 vs 8 minutes

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>>722552297
Play Path of Achra instead
You can do a naked build if you know what youre doing
I picked a race that turns swords into giant swords
A class that has innate damage reduction
A god that upgrades my mainhand weapon by 50% for taking optional challenge towers, and 100% of those stats can be inherited by future weapons
I specced into Mindfighter, a two handed skill that let me prestige into Aqliyaa, a two handed class that rewarded me with extra attacks for every empty armor slot I had
I found a crows head that gives me major bonuses for being naked
Im at the 6th cycle of increasing difficulty and there are 32 cycles
This is the build autism game

>>722570238
There'a also cursed flesh because i was pussy and needed some form of healing--

>Do you have Moldy Cheese, Moldy Gloves and Cursed Doll?
>You win
>Do you not have these items because RNG fucked you?
>Lose

Every single time I get multiple of those small pool of items, the DPS skyockets beyond what's possible with just buffing my weapons and tomes normally.

>>722552297
I've never thought about it before just now

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>>722570238
Not pictured are the 40 prestige classes all these guys can spec into
6 bucks btw
Or you can pirate it since its like 70mb and runs on a toaster

>>722552297
distilled slop

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>>722561671
>I finish all my runs at 40/40/40/40 weapons an 99/99/99/99 tomes without even using the curse tome or standing at the portal for half an hour.
absolute lies and horse shit. just did a run for funsies where i did exactly what you said, taking xp at every chance, except for the quantity to crutch me through the mobs. walked into stage 3 at level 40 xp tome and like level 110 or so. i only ever stayed after the bosses for like 1-2 minutes. spent stage 3 leveling up other stuff, went to the boss at like 190. instgibbed every phase (lol dice op). you 1000% stuck around for retarded idle farming. literally kill yourself.

why do i see people sucking off cursed doll? it takes 3 seconds to kill something, and i dont think it can target bosses. whats the fucking point?

>>722571640
circle

>>722552297
shallow

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>>722552297
Sex with Fox!

>>722552297
pozzed shit with pop culture and meme references as vomit sprinkles

>>722571576
It's mainly nice for hitting absurdly tanky elites you can potentially summon from those shrines

>>722552297
another vampire survivors clone?!
holy shit how many of the same game do you guys need!

>>722565224
People got friends they wanna compare themselves to, anon.

>>722552297
Im noob.
What im supposed after i beat the boss in first level? I just can't fucking survive.

>>722572014
You unlock higher tiers as you do them
Tier 3 has a final boss
After that you either play for fun, unlock everything or go for max kills

>>722571954
but why would your damage be that bad? i would never want to have that item over almost anything else in that pool. what a braindead joke.

>>722570405
moldy cheese is cute early, but its really not that special. even having 3 or 4 of them isnt going to save you if your build is shit.

>>722560578
He posted a silhouette of Polka a few weeks ago. So probably like 6 months.

Does aegis scale with attack speed at all? Getting more projectiles and increasing the max capacity doesn't seem great if they accumulate slowly.

>>722572171
You want games to come out with less features cause it's something you don't personally use? What if they remove something you personally use when nobody else does? You'd get your shit removed as well by your own logic, fucking faggot go suck

>>722572579
Faster regen, I believe.
>>722572601
.. what the fuck are you even talking about?
whatever schizo conversation you are having with yourself has nothing to do with me.
no one mentioned less features, or removing features at. all.

>>722572756
Did you forget the last line? Go suck

i hope we get more bonk-likes in the future, this will be a huge genre

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I'm working on a game like this, what layout do you prefer for the upgrade screen? horizontal or vertical? and why does it always need to be 3 options, can it be only 2?

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>>722573326
something like this is much better
t. senior ui designer with 17 years experience

>>722553727
It's funny how many chinks literally play slop like that and this.

>Roguelike
I'M FUCKIN' CONSUUMIN! is half of them. Like... why?

>Let's reset all our progress to one and do everything over on an entirely different map!
At least Soulsfags have a logic of "getting better through failure" loop to fall back on. These pieces of shit just waste your time.

>>722573326
vertical for items, to have more space for text descriptions
horizontal for player upgrades, to distinguish them from the item acquisition screen.

>>722572091
It's not the biggest problem as you can just walk away, but if you're level 0-2 (so yes your damage is probably not good) and summon elites they can take over a minute to kill depending on your characters starting weapon and what actually spawns from it
The doll outside of that scenario isn't that good, it's only benefit is that it can target elites passively if its a lucky proc, I guess another is it can trigger kill effects passively, but there isn't many of those in the game (it's ticks also count as hits iirc)

>>722573326
If you gotta read shit it's horizontal bars

>>722552297
Just tell me how gay the fandom is compared to risk of trains and I will have my opinion

>>722569683
Post t3 wins with 2 weapons 2 tomes

>>722572171
if it was that easy you could be better than 99.9% of people too... but you're not.

>>722573326
By reducing the number to 2 you are reducing tension. Tension is actually a good thing in game design but you need to balance it. Something like 10 choices might provide too much tension, the kind of thing where players have less fun because they end up paralyzed by choice (less skilled players especially are effected by too much tension.) Ultimately you want a little tension but not too much which is why 3 is probably so common. It's enough choices that there won't be an obvious choice every time but not so many that people will get choice paralysis. If anything I would bump it up to 4, not decrease it but it depends on how many options are in the game over all. Another issue is less options means people see the upgrades they like less frequently and feel more "forced" into certain builds. That's actually something that frustrates people greatly with any game with these kind of rougelike upgrade elements. Winning requires a specific build and if I only have 2 options on my first pick my entire build could end up defined by a choice where I only had 2 options. Over many runs that can feel really really bad and reduce replyability when that's supposed to be the benefit of the design of games like this.

>>722574119
A lot of the jokes are tailored towards streamers, so it's probably worse

>>722552297
I don't think
if I think I'm in trouble

>>722573326
At max I'd say 5
2 is too little
3 is usually the sweet spot but ultimately it's all up to you with how complicated you want to make things
I know people that read every little thing every time so for them less is more

>>722574594
I don't know what it is with these threads attracting the biggest retarded shitters that don't know anything but still feel like they have something to prove.
>Yeah bro! I can win with 2 weapons 2 tomes on T3 fragile challenge while blindfolded and both hands tied behind my back! It was the easiest thing of my life!
These are the worst fucking threads on the board. Everyone here should be euthanized.

>>722574801
its kids, kids behave like this for... some reason.
Feel like they have to argue with everyone and overexaggerate their accomplisments to strangers online.

>>722562860
This but FPS.

>>722574585
A max kills run requires multiple legendary drops to spawn pretty early in the game, it also requires for you to pump xp and luck asap while still getting enough combat power to not lose, while also needing you to pump difficulty and size up at some point when you can
It is both something that takes a bit of game knowledge, but also shitloads of rng as it isn't feasible without multiple joes daggers

Streamer bait garbage.

I can't beat desert Tier 3. I was able to do forest but Anubis just lasers me to death most of the time. I guess I need to build more movement speed to dodge, but I'm bad at dodging cause I usually just build lifesteal or I'm too OP to even get hit in the main part. I'm getting too burnt out to make a proper attempt at this point though.

why is dodge exclusively so fucking unintuitive?
most games know to cap dodge, brotato for example I think caps at 60% chance (which is honestly too low for a main stat that you ignore defence and HP or healing for)
here though its dumb, you see
>+20% dodge chance
and think, wow, thats fucking good, 1/5 attacks nullified? yes sir. and sure enough, you get 20% dodge.
Then you see another 20% dodge, oh wow, thats powerful, 2/5 chance to dodge? YES PLEASE
only... you only have a 30% dodge chance.

keep stacking dodge, keep taking it, over and over. Youve hit over 100% in terms of what youre told, but then your stats show 62% chance.
nothing else in the game lies like this.

getting to 100% dodge is OP, hence the reason other games cap it. and while you can debate what is a fair number to cap it at, I think we can all agree putting 40 levels into a stat only to end up with a 3/5 chance of dodging damage with a 2/5 chance to instantly die - instead of armor, shield, hp, healing, or just... movespeed, is retarded.

>>722573529
*roguelite
ftfy tard.

>>722576392
the creator needs a balance professional to step in and coach him on fixing the tome-issues and rebalancing the stats in the game to be better.

its the dopamine rush my add brain needs

honestyl though
the fact nobody made vampire survivors but 3d is astounding

>>722578405
Making vampire survivors in 3d has some technical challenges, since you need to figure out how to make a massive pool of enemies work without completely tanking the frame rate. It's a task an average hobbyist developer probably isn't up to snuff to solve.

>>722569738
guaranteed i have beaten your record in all 3 lmao

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>>722552297
>megabonk released
>game dev threads full of whiny faggots
Same song same sheet music. Never gets old. Who likes wasting their time crying about this that or the other?

>>722578948
that isn't as difficult as you make it seem in the year of our lord and savior 2025

>>722579236
its one dude who is very unhappy with his life and needs to take it out on everyone else. kys soon fossil

>>722579365
Oh no it spoke and all it could muster was autism faggotry, did you learn English through 4chan?

>>722579445
i know you think everyone hates you but it does actually feel bad seeing you suffer like this. it doesn't hurt to try and be a little happier

>>722579642
Am "I" in the room right now tough guy? You wanna dance bitch? Fuckin tango???

>>722575372
Armor helps make it less punishing
The laser tether I find is weak to you getting to the opposite side of Anubis asap
If it locks on then you need to get behind cover to stop it, without lots of armor and hp + lifesteal you can't facetank it for too long

>>722567847
Don't need watch if using xp tome
Cheese is really good but once I could go without it, I dropped it to squeeze more luck into the build
Key is a noob trap because free chests still make the price of the next one go up
Ms is irrelevant when you can bhop into slide and vice versa

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What is character Rank and how do I level it?
I want to get Fox to 100.

>>722579023
>record
who cares about record in ror? Years ago it was about waiting several hours holding click at enemies or whatever and now its about just doing literally nothing and winning automatically

However i have all eclipse 8s without buying any lunar items and i also 100%ed RoRR AND i have 100%ed Deadbolt which makes me the HOPOO GAYMES MASTER

>>722568103
Yeah I should probably switch beer for card, I just don't really care about damage
Best blue item is Echo Shard anyway, the thing is if you have less than 3 items in the rarity pool, it bricks the traders so I had to add some garbage

>>722552297
Risk of Rain 2 but with less pixels

>>722576392
>>722577965
It literally makes sense, many games work like that
basically any X% dodge increase will reduce your chance of taking damage by said X%. So if you get a 10% dodge bonus with 90% dodge then now you have 91% chance
Its good that it doesnt give you instant auto win and instead is an interesting continuous investment. No matter the circumstance a +20% dodge will never not be a +20% survivability overall (ignoring surrounding factors obviously)

>>722552297
Fotm sloppa.

>>722574594
>>722574801
t3 2wep 3tomes should be doable, if it isn't a 2x challenge, but 2wep 2tomes probably means you have to drop the xp tome and that's a very weird notion for me...

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>>722571316
>except for the quantity to crutch me through the mobs
you didn't have to do that
3 quant and some more from shrines would be enough
if you don't pick xp tome every single time you see it you'll end up with 400% vs 1000%+ increase
it's literally a test if you're a gullible retard or can stay on the course without being distracted by shiny little things
let me break it down for you:

green xp tome > legendary quantity
green xp tome > 2xanvil legendary 4 stat weapon
it's that simple
green xp tome
every time you see it
if you don't see any tomes reroll
yes, even if you got a mega epic legendary main weapon
if you can't do it you're literally an animal/npc and most likely bad at trading stocks too (i.e. poor) because you can't understand the concept of delayed gratification

>>722573326
>and why does it always need to be 3 options, can it be only 2?
that's a horrible question coming from a gamedev, get a guy on your team who can make you a design doc ASAP
the number comes from the amount of total outcomes, in MB it's 3/8 once you complete your build and get 4 weps and 4 tomes
2 options would be awful and 4 would be to easy
37.5% was the sweet spot here

>>722575372
run xp tome and you'll nuke everything past stage 2 in split seconds

>>722580427
Idk but I instantly get rank 100 after beating a boss on any char but I'm also like level 500+ so maybe that

>>722552297
It's better than RoR2 but that's not saying much, ror is pretty shit game

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>>722552297
dopamine slop

Where are all the sexy babes in this game? Fucking lazy ass dev, add them this instant!