Maybe the best game ever madeLiterally find a flaw
Costs like $30
>>722556595And how many hours does it take you to get good enough to 1cc arcade mode?Exactly.
>>722556627Shmup fans are the worst
I screwed up on the final boss on of doj black again.
>>722556627>what do you mean youre selling flappy bird for $1000>ermm how many hours does it take you to get good enough to get 100 points in endless modethats not content, thats just a challenge run
>>722557017No, that's beating the game.If you just slam credits into the machine and play without any goal you're not really playing the game, you're just paying to be stimulated by lights and sounds like a retarded infant.
>>722557017This is wrong and you would know it's wrong if you ever played a shmup. Think about an NES game. They're usually only an hour or two long but more than worth their asking price. Shmups are that on steroids. Game design is so heavily layered into it that there's countless hours worth of things to pick at. The last game from Nintendo I really enjoyed was Mario Maker 2, I really enjoyed making levels, particularly easier levels, and all the artwork I got from kids and stuff. And a pretty simple design philosophy I used when making levels was to create them so they would be a different experience for both new and bad players. When playing daioujou this I started thinking back to this, and how different features, between ship type and chaining and so on completely changes the nature of the game, and everything feels so extremely intentional and carefully placed the more I look at it. This popped up in my feed today:https://youtu.be/sNuneAG5bokAnd my stage 5 looks absolutely nothing like this. There are so many layers to the game, it's seemingly endless, and this is just one 20 minute long shmup.
>>722556391Mame is free
>>722557479>both new and bad players*new and experienced
>>722557148arcades games were designed to get one credit every three minutesfinal.
>>722557706MAME doesn't have Deathtiny mode and also FBNeo is better
>>722557850Nope, arcade games were designed to be both challenging and intricate to keep players coming back. The quarter philosophy is what enabled intricate scoring systems, because it wasn't desirable to have a game people would just 1cc and throwaway. You can keep crying and parroting this, but you don't have a single argument and the list of reasons of why this was a great period for game design is substantially long.
>>722556391This has some cool box art I dig the ship design. Does it say Deathtiny like destiny but death instead? What the heck.
I'm having trouble getting into shmups, I start a cool looking one, play it for a bit, then the repetition sets in and I just do something else
It was a mistake for the arcade port not to give a bad ending for credit feeding, and a neutral one for beating the game without taking down the TLB. Crazy how doujin games do this better
>>722556924Not surprising considering you literally don't play games
>>722558435DoDonPachi series does this
>>722558254Have you ever learned like a competitive game like a fighting game or something? Its very similar. Feeling like giving up is a very real hurdle. It's all part of the game and an obstacle to overcome. Over time it just becomes normal. This is why I recommend specific games like mushi instead of "whatever looks cool to you" because it's a more manageable baptism in this regard, and the feelings of frustration are easier to process and deal with. And it's a good thing to internalize not just for video games but in general.
>>722558217>Does it say Deathtiny like destiny but death instead? What the heck.It's less retarded in JapaneseDestiny and Deathtiny are both pronounced Desu-tu-nidesu they should have just localized it to Destiny
>>722558254Start with BatsugunStart with BatsugunStart with BatsugunThis should be the universal advice given to all new shmup players
>>722558551Yes, I've played competitive fighting games for years, played BW and SC2 competitively for years, played single player games at a high level etc, shmups are a genre that just isn't clicking with me
>>722558634>Yes, I've played competitive fighting games for yearsI don't know is soul caliber is comparable to learning a real fighting game
>>722558698Wut? I never mentioned Soul Calibur, I haven't played that game
>>722558723What the heck is sc2 then
>>722558747Starcraft 2
>>722558765bruh
Between Darius Gaiden, G Darius and Dariusburst, which is the easiest to 1cc and which is the best?
>>722558803I don't know what I'm supposed to say when someone just says bruh so here is Ultraseven
>snipes you from another postcodeNothing personal kid
>>722558818Just play darius gaiden with 30hz rapid fire and do ABDHLQV. You could knock it out in one afternoon. It's also the coolest game, aesthetically anyways.https://youtu.be/80EQrMWA4oIDarius is pretty weird to begin with but this game feels like an absolute fever dream.
>>722558818Darius Gaiden with 30hz autofire is probably the easiestWithout autofire or with only in-game autofire, probably still Darius Gaiden honestly, but it's a lot closer.
>>722558851Bro
>>722558991>>722558974>gaiden is the easiest>i still die constantly to the second boss lasers and corridors with bulletsI think it's Gaidenover for me
>>722559019Reminder that you can literally shoot through walls.
>>722559063HWHAT? Is that only with upgraded lasers? I swear it doesn't happen with normal shots
>>722557850nobody played blatant coin feeders because that kind of games were deemed as shit
>>722559093Yes. You really do not want to die in darius. Your shield is your actual life counter. It matters less with autofire, but recovery is still pretty bad. It might be worth looking at an actual route if you're getting raped this badly.
Getting raped by Reco...
>>722559252Are you a shota?
>>722558974>>722558991Not him, but does Darius play like a typical shmup, or is it more like gradius and rtype, where you have to memorize everything because one death means your run is over?
>>722559312Not anymoreI have reached the horrible age where milfs aren't milfs but my peers
>>722559316It's the same type of game as Gradius and R-Type yeah. It's a little more forgiving than those games imo though
What are some super fast shmups like Hyper Duel?
>>722559316You have a shield and can get hit a bunch of times. And you get a lot of shields and as you progress the amount of hits you can take goes up. The trade off is that you can take multiple hits at once. But no, it doesn't suffer from gradius syndrome.
>>722559586nyanpasu
>>722559501Dangun Feveron, Eschatos
Destiny?
>>722557017>zoomers only idea of an "arcade" game is flappy birdLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>722558747>anon mentions brood war>then immediately sc2 after that>thinks he means soulcallmfao either console retard or zoomer detected
>>722560285RTS sucks dude. I'm not playing any competitive game with 15+ minute long rounds. Bet you like MOBAs too
>>722560365>the genre sucks because im bad at itLet me guess, you'll bring up "gookclick" next
>>722560379It sucks because the rounds are too long. RTS is a fundamentally bad genre in this regard. Macro is a snooze, I don't get any excitement out of that.
>>7225605281v1 me right now
>>722560554>begging for matches in your dead genre
>>722560598So the genre sucks but you don't even play it, got it
>>722560626No one plays it any more, more shmups are coming out than rts.
>>722560649get observed idiot lmfao
>>722556391I wonder if the IKD 2007 Special Arrange is easier or harder than Arcade modeYou can potentially get a lot more extends, but you also have to risk death a lot more since you only get those extends if you pick up more 5 chips than 1s in a level, and the range for 5 chips is shorter than normalAnyone who's beaten/played both have any opinions?
>>722560365>>722560528ok so you're just a retarded zoomer whose brain has been rotted to the point where 15m is a long time, got it. And no, mobas are dogshit.
>>722560756>ok so you're just a retarded zoomer whose brain has been rotted to the point where 15m is a long timeIt is an insanely long time. Even in basketball quarters are only 12 minutes long, there isn't a single competitive game in video games or otherwise that is longer. At this point we're looking at something like Go for similar lengths, but that doesn't have anything near the repetition of RTS. Imagine a game of Go where the first 50 moves were identical every single game. That's RTS.
>>722560983HMM IF ONLY YOU COULD BE MORE AGGRESSIVE, BUT ALAS....
>>722561003You can literally EASILY find professional sets where the first 5 minutes are identical every single round. That's a BIG problem.
>>722561073>dude le pro sets dude dude YOU DON'T FUCKING PLAY LMAOOOOOOOO>>722560598
>>722558254CAVE games and Touhou anon.
>>722561130>playing the game good is not playing itGot it, I know what you are.
>>7225611681v1 me right now
>>722561182Play better games.
>>722561204OK faggot what do you play? If I have it I'll 1v1 you in anything
>>722561225Daioujou Black Label
>>722561245I meant for 1v1 you stupid non-playing faggot
>>722561003>try to get into AoE2>get stormed by knights every gameEven casuals can see that it's not the most flexible genre. And that's from very little experience, let alone looking at all the content on pure optimization for these types of games online.
>>722561363Didn't read what are we 1v1ing in faggot
>>722561268Anon, this is a shmup thread. If you can't post score your opinion is irrelevant. It's not like you're even asking to play twinkle star sprites or pofv or something. Like how retarded do you have to be to come in a shmup thread, say you don't play shmups, then start begging for RTS matches? Things aren't looking good for RTS, I'd say. I'm not your boyfriend, beg for games somewhere else.
I paid $60-ish for it, imported a physical copy. Suffice to say, I've gotten my money's worth, multiple times over. Ketsui has zero flaws.
>>722561418OK faggot post your score
>>722561441Post yours buddy
>>722558254Play Burunyanman
>>722558254Gradius V. Every boss fight is completely unique, and the stages between them are fun and varied. Soundtrack
>>722561689Gradius V is great but also way harder than most games ever made
>>722558254Play Battle Garegga. It's extremely RNG based, so it's always a different experience every run.
>>722562091I THINK YAGAWA SUCKS
>>722556391I sure do love the helis with a lot of glowing shots genre!
>>722562293Try under defeat
>>722558254>>722562091Play Armed Police Batrider. It's the same thing but you can actually see the enemy shots.
>>722562537The M2 port of Garegga let's you make shots a lot more visible.
>>722562512Not that anon but I do like Under Defeat but I keep getting destroyed
>>722562591It's hard...
>>722562627So am I seeing those characters
>>722562627>>722562591Still easier than G.Rev's previous and superior game.
>>722562583Before I buy it, does the M2 port have arcade input lag or Saturn input lagThe Saturn version feels a lot better to play than the original because the arcade original has like 4 frames of input lag that the Saturn version doesn't
for me it's Eschatos
>>722556924Happens a lot, but if you are getting to the final boss it's a matter of getting lucky once, or survive the rest of the game with enough resources to steamroll it.
>>722556391Stage 5 is FUCKEDAnyone else actually feel like relief when they get to Evacaneer? Because I feel like then I can at least parse that
>>722563109Whole game is basically pic related
>>7225633281-5 isn't too bad after some routing, although RNG on the clones can be an ass.2-5 is a spiteful dickhead of a stage
>>722563328Still an easier final stage than D'don Patch DOJ. They throw the kitchen sink at you from the very start.
>>722563385I genuinely love its "classic alien invasion" aesthetic
>>722563478Lol the start is fine.Real bullshit is after the first midboss, I don't think I have ever done that section without using hyper or bomb(s)
>>722559467>>722559586Okay, I'm going to try it>>722559501IKUSAAAAAAAN!
>>722556391Oh sick, some kind of game about flying helicopters? How come I've never heard of it, it seems right up my alley (I might have been one of the dozens of people who picked up Apache Air Assault for the PS3, I remember enjoying Comanche, etc).>look up gameplay>shmupOh that's why. Damn you for getting my hopes up OP
>>722563779should i grab this before the steam sale endsit looks kinda interesting but also very different from a traditional shmup
>>722563814The only people who don't like shmups are those who haven't dedicated the time to actually getting good at one
>>722563860epic meme
>>722563886He right tho
>>722559501Thunder Force IV?
>>722563915epically memed sir xD
>>722563939It's not a meme if it's true tho
>>722564008some memes are true
>>722563814>Oh that's why. Damn you for getting my hopes up OPThis isn't an airport, no need to announce your departure. Your kind isn't wanted or needed.
>>722563027There's some sort of option that improves input lag.
>>722556391It's not on SwitchI'm not buying a PS4 just for this and Garegga
>>722563825It's a bullet eating shmup, which might have a different appeal to someone who prefers traditional bullet dodging shmups, but the game is quite fast paced. You can just download the doujin version to see if it clicks with you or not
>>722564117your loss
>>722564117there's bloodborne too
>>722564008There is actually another kind of shmup "hater", the one who spent way too much time chasing high scores (western, so not even WR) for clout in the same game instead of enjoying whatever.
>>722564239>implying japanese WR is legitThey literally say "uh dude trust me bro arcadia verified me :^)"Score is a meme
>>722564279Case in point
>>722563860I'm not saying I dislike shmups, I just dislike false advertising. If a game has a cool helicopter on the cover I'm expecting to be able to fly that helicopter.
>>722564239He's kind of right but that's all video gamesPart of the appeal is being able to overcome challenges that aren't really challenges compared to real life bullshit
>>722564239
>>722558254Damn, I don't remember writing this post but this is exactly what I would write.I couldn't even 1cc Toohoo 6 and 7 on Normal before falling off, then got filtered by ZeroRanger (which I somehow finished with continues at least) and Blue Revolver (which I couldn't finish at all).1cc is a pipe dream at this point.
>>722564362>He's kind of right but that's all video gamesYeah that's the problem. As in, if this is what bothers about the activity then maybe you are playing too much videogames, not something unique to shmups. What shmups add to that is simply being difficult enough.
>>722558551>>722557479get a trip already, you gigantic faggot.
>>722564497You can filter image md5, and report for avatarfagging.
>>722558254>Most advises are anons telling him to play bullet hells, hard shmups or play like it's a "fighting game" and "practice" for so many fucking hours just to get to the ending screenThis is why no one is gonna take you morons seriously. I recommend you to check out stuff like Angel at Dusk or Devil Blade Reboot because they are on the easier side and are fun to play and look at, you should also at least try one of the Touhou ones. Ignore every other dumb suggestion because most of these people act like tryhards whenever someone new to the genre wants to play a shmup.
>>722564497That guy quite literally does not play any other games but shmups yet talks confidently for some reason
>>722564738>Angel at DuskJesus fucking Christ how horrifying.Is Steel Vampire any good? It's from the same guy but looks much better.
>>722564738Batsugun isn't hard dumbfuck it's one of the easiest shmups out there, literally the perfect beginner game
>>722556391>Literally find a flawIt's not on PC.
>>722564860nta but I'd argue Batsugun (original) is tough. Special version is easy, though, with slower patterns and a smaller hitbox. Literally laid down the railroad tracks for bullet hell. (though Grind Stormer / V-V became bullet hell-esque at higher ranks if you went too long without dying)
>>722565045PC users are casuals that cheat and hack when a game is too hard for their small minds
>>722565045Sounds like a (You) issue.
>>722565045Garegga works pretty fine on ShadPS4. Not sure about Ketsui tho.
>>722565094Implying I even play the games I boughted loicenses for.Just sell it to Cave me, or do you hate free money?
>>722565215Ketsui "works" but black screens after game overing, so you can't save replays.
>>722565228Steam has so much non-shmup shit categorized as shoot em up or bullet hell, most useless tag ever
>>722560709it's very obviously a middle ground. remember that aside of the extend gimmick and reduced range, IKD2007 throws 2nd loop patterns at you (without ura speed) and only gives you 1 bomb per life, which is A LOT less bombs, making doom at the end into a bigger resource check.Arcade 1ALL is way easier, and omote 2ALL is already way harder
10 second cave tier listbtw i barely played half these games lmao
>>722563860Some games aren't even that hard, shmups just filters out people because they have to go out of their way to dedicate 10-15 hours of practice to complete a gameInstead of the game constantly dangling carrot in front of you, and hand-holding you like a baby throughout the entire 10 hour experienceThis shit is nothing when a lot of modern slops easily takes like 20-40 hours to complete, yet strangely they paint the genre as impossible coin munching bullshit
>>722566414Posts like this just confirm that shmupfags don'[t play any other games
>>722565308Sadly this is true for any category. The shit that ends up under racing...Anyhow, since I'm retarded I went through the list and it's 78 proper shmups.
>>722566483Some play ninja gaiden :-)
>>722566749Ninja Gaiden fags literally do not play their game
>>722565945What's wrong with Esprade and Akai Katana?
gay niggas will play the same roguelite with the same levels for 50 hours and then cry because 1ccing shmups is too grindy lmao
>>722566807nothing they're goodjust not up to par with the higher ones
>>722556391Garegga is better but I won't knock ketsui as a close second.
>>722566852I didn't come in here to get called out.Roguelites have way more random variability though, so they feel less repetitive. Shmups really do feel like memorizing a predetermined sequence even though easier ones do offer more wiggle room.
>>722566483I'm sorry that I couldn't be your strawman, but I actually play more other games than shmups, I only made that rant as I can accept shmup as one of many genres of video games, while I noticed there are a lot of retards that singles out the genre like a curseLiterally just got done playing Resident Evil Village, outside of basic bitch games like that I mostly play boomer shooters, shmups less so but I obviously play it time-to-time
>>722566910Garegga's good I just don't understand why it's treated as such a masterpiece compared to BatriderBecause Batrider's just a straight-up more fun game. Less original, sure, it wouldn't exist without Garegga, but like as a sort of "sequel" it's basically an improvement in every way. There's so much shit to do in that game and the music goes super hard
>>722566953>RNG is goodI disagree
>>722567115I didn't say it's good (though it is), just that it's less repetitive by definition.
>>722567171Most shmups have random elements, but even if they don't and it's totally deterministic it's not like this is Pac-Man or something. There's so many variables at play that you will never get the same run more than once.
>>722567038Batrider felt weird the first time I played it. It takes more getting used to. The charging mechanic feels too Psikyo for me. The aesthetic is also kinda too zany for me, I like planes more than characters.
>>722567316I like the aesthetic, but I'm also a huge Parodius fan so maybe that biases me
>>722567280>you will never get the same run more than onceThis is just wrong for a lot of games, besides either way you're aiming to have the same run every time if you know the "optimal" route.
>>722556895shmup fans have been playing the same game for over 30 years
Any Henteko Doujin shmups worth picking up? A lot of them are on sale now, and I've heard some good things about Satazius and Alltynex Series.
>>722567501Hellsinker for sure, at least if you like Radiant Silvergun and other shit with lots of buttons
>>722567171I never felt shmups to be repetitive, as you start from sucking at the game and slowly getting better more time you play, I don't find the sense of accomplishment when RNG gamble boosts or deboosts that likelihoodimo I find games like musou titles or Yakuza to be repetitive, I don't hate those games, but sometimes when those game hits their low point it starts to feel mind-numbingly samey which is something I never felt with shmupsIs shmups more uncomfortable by completely disregarding hand-holding? Yes and sometimes it feels shitty, especially when you aren't in the mood to deal with that bullshit, but I don't think that never equated it to being repetitive, at least for me
>>722567592Oh yeah, I have it, didn't realize it was published by Henteko too. This one's fun, but damn it's tough. At least if you don't cheese the game with Minogame spin2win.
Any reason to get the original Graze Counter if I already have Graze Counter GM?
>>722557706mame is dogshit
>>722567685Not really, no.
>>722567685>Uzuki Ginyose Male pilot of the [APRIL DIVIDER] attack program. He may look like a girl, but he's dressed that way for specific combat reasons. Plus he doesn't really mind how it feels either...tranny game
>>722567850mame is good but annoyingfbneo is better for actual gaming and has a much smaller romset that still contains most things people want to play and doesn't change every few months
why release ketsui on US PSN but not doj or esprademakes no sense
Bomb?
>>722569729Speaking of bombs, recommend me some modern shmups without them (or any other mechanic that replaces them but functions with a similar purpose)
>>722569861Milestone shmups
>>722570162>modernWell, whatever, thanks anyway.
>>722567378demon soul pvp looks amazing cant wait
>>722568098and a goddamn good one too
okay, this is ebin
>>722570965I actually like when games give you unlimited extendsIt may not be what really hardcore players want, but for me it's just more reason to utilize the scoring system
>>722571223The very few ones that have it are check point/recovery shmups like Raiden, Gradius, Progear (JP version), Plus Alpha, Tatsujin...actually, I really can't think of any normal shmup that let you carry unlimited lives.
Custom mode on Garegga 2016 is fucking funYou can turn the game into a bullet hell
Play Twinkle Star Sprites
>>722571658Battle Garegga technically, but... you know...
>>722574236Battle Garegga Bullet Hell Mode:Fixed max rank60% enemy HP80% bullet speedMad Ball attacks Fixed PremiumExtend item from Slayer2 large bombs on death50% item fall speedMedal auto collect onMissed medal penalty 3 levels lowerSpecial weapon invincibility extension onSmallest hitboxFixed level 4 shot powerCredit to Mark
>>722568098I will now buy your game
>>722566953>Roguelites have way more random variability though, so they feel less repetitiveThis is only true for some games, like you're still memorizing the modules used in procgen. Isaac is notoriously bad for this and becomes about as interesting as watching paint dry.
typical poser thread
>>722578154Nobody wants to play crappy rts, jamal
>>722578589Nobody wants to play video games period, it's /v/ after all
>>722568260It's honestly not a big deal to just buy the Japanese version. And it's not like you even need to understand Japanese to navigate the menus. Takes like 2 minutes to set up an account and get a digital card on play-asia
>>722579048>people always post footage of their gameplay when asked here>actually discussing gameplay instead of making the same cyclical bait questions like "greymane or battleborne" and copy-pasting the same dumb reddit lore dumps off a wiki over and over for years>actually tough games that gatekeep retards who just come here to hang out and shitpost and culture warThe only bad thing about these threads is the OP, posting a picture of box art should be a bannable offense. This would clean up 50% of /v/.
>>722579168>And it's not like you even need to understand Japanese to navigate the menusEnglish would be nice on some of those options
>>722563860
>>722579575It's truly not necessary, trust me. And with today's technology you can just point your phone at the screen and make it english
>>722570457They are still making sequels under a different company name
>>722579673The first actually works, never had those moments where you kept hitting a wall in vidya and then beat it first attempt after coming back to it? Was extremely common to me as a kid.Nice projection tho
>>722580408This, when I'm stuck I just take a nap then wake up and drink a monster zero ultra and I'm good to go
>>722579673This is a very healthy mindset youre mocking. I do this when im working on my car, when it gets frustrating and i cant solve the issue. Taking a break resets it.Grow up.
>>722579673I can appreciate the kind of pure tard autism you must have to where you just brute force through something by stubbornly harnessing your inner retard rage, but taking a break and coming back fresh is healthy way to handle stress.
>>722580976>>722581187>>722580408No anons, if you don't play like a dopamine addict and complain when something doesn't instantly reward you in vidya it's clearly because you don't enjoy it.
>>722581308Well... Yeah. That clearly means you're not invested enough.
>>722559748Nobody, and I mean nobody, gives a fuck about arcade games. They are all bottom-tier money laundering slop that was made obsolete with the first home console. They're roughly equivalent to today's gacha games, which I'm sure you seethe about to no end.
>>722581490Is that what you tell to yourself when you get ass raped after stage 2?
>>722581490>They're roughly equivalent to today's gacha games, which I'm sure you seethe about to no end.Uma musume is alright
>>722581538I don't play arcadeslop, so you'll have to come up with a better strawman.
>>722581374It means you are getting tired, either physically or mentally. The practice sticks though, so when you recover you aren't starting out as if you never played before.
>>722581490Arcades are immensely fun if you have friends to go with. Most these days you just pay for the night or pay by the hour, only a few are traditional token based and are a lot cheaper these days than they used to be. Sorry you're friendless, but my guess is youre just insufferable to be around.
>>722581490As opposed to consoleslop that awards you with stimuli for basically just existing and pressing buttons for hours and hours with no real challenge
>>722581890I'm friendless and still enjoy arcade games. Anon is simply a faggot casual baby.
>>722581490>was made obsolete with the first home consoleWhich is exactly why every home console vied for arcade ports and arcade-inspired games are coming out by the dozens to this day.Wait...
>>722581890>appeal to normalfaggotryDid you really think that would work? This isn't Reddit you know.
>>722581904>>722582057Christ, I figured /vr/trannies would stick to their containment board. This is the video game board btw
>>722582318Yes, and we're still talking about video games. That are still coming out to this day, so not /vr/ material necessarily.
>>722582318You are in a shmup thread, a genre made out of 99% arcade or arcade-inspired games.
>>722582205>NO ONE CARES ABOUT ARCADE GAMES>point out that they still exist and are fun with friends>NOOOOO YOU'RE A NORMAL FAGGOTlmao
The English version of Ketsui Deathtiny came out almost exactly 2 years after the JP versionWondering if I should import a phyisical copy of Daioujou Reincarnation now or just wait and see if it gets localized in a few months...
>>722556391I have a hard time getting into it because neither of the characters are pretty girls.
>>722582643It's not like you need to read much in these games.
>>722581490>They're roughly equivalent to today's gacha games, which I'm sure you seethe about to no end.I like alice gear aegis
>>722582720Just having the menus and in-game manual fully translated feels a lot more professional
>>722582629While it's amusing to no end that you can only think in terms of popularity or how your peers perceive things, it also means that you don't belong here and should gb2r.
>>722557850>>722557995Arcade games have adjustable difficulty and cost It's like you guys have never played Time Crisis in different theaters/arcades before.
>>722582886>point out something is fun with friends>NOOOO YOU'RE ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT POPULARITY NOOOOOkek
>>722582918To be fair I don't think I ever noticed different places setting difficulty to different values.Cost, yeah sure. Not everyone wanted a quarter per credit.
>>722583072You have to be 18 or older to post here.
>>722583240That's why I'm posting here, you friendless loser lmao
>>722583295How the hell do you upvote a post here?
>>722583357Your impotent seething is upvote enough for me
>>722583415
play real shmupshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0ETu4u_lOE
>>722583492>sure is fun playing arcades with friends>NOOOO YOU'RE PROJECTING!!!lol
>>722583528These games are fucking impossible. I even asked about them in a thread once and everyone was like "yeah G Darius is BS you should play an easier game if you're new to shmups"
Is the new remaster of Youkai Disco meme song game worth it?Anyone played the originals?
>>722583769Darius Gaiden really is on the lower end of shmup difficulty if you play with 30hz autofire though
Why is autoscroll in shmups good game design but autoscroll in Mario is stupid and gay
>>722583528Darius games are the only legitimate usecase for 32∶9 monitors.
>>722583938I meant the one with 3d graphics on the ps1 and ps2 taito collection thougbeit
>>722583528That stage 1 music theme is chef kiss
>>722584019because shooting game isn't a platformer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbts2qTrbAg
>>722584019Because the point of platformers is mostly mastering the movement, restricting the movement takes away from themIn shmups the game comes at you fast there is no movement tecs to master and no inertia just get out of the way nigga or you go boom
>>722556391Im mad they didnt port this to switch
>>722557017Why did the other replies feel so called out?
>>722584450Because you are an idiot probablyflappy bird has zero complexity unlike shmups
>>722581490Now this is shitposting.
>>722584019Stage design/pacing issue. Also yeah, shmups usually don't have movement physics so technically there isn't really anything scrolling, more like enemies and obstacles that appear on screen with a timer.
>>722556391how do you even pronounce this?
Since you MUTANTS that enjoy this genre never post ost's, I had to find this myself- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4isjdAc_Paw
>>722584370>He wants to play shmups on hardware that innately adds 2 frames of input lag
>>722584370Sony won...
>>722584821Destiny but in your most racist Japanese accent
shumup the arcade slop is a pyramid sceheme invented by the satanic overlord to oppress the REAL shooting genre, first person shooterslike bro seeing game from above isn't even real how are you supposed to do that with your eyes, you literally can't see yourself irl without mirror
most people say playing these games on a big tv is bad but actually i think its alright
>>722585765That's actually not a bad idea since arcade cabinet is pretty big and you sit right in front of it when playing on it.Playing shmups on arcades after getting used to playing them on PC/Switch really fucked up my muscle memory
Why do Chadcade games make virgins so angry?
>>722581490Sounds like a Skill issueGit gudFilteredIQ gated
>>722583528I don't like Darius. I don't care if I got filtered or whatever, it just never clicked. Boss intro screen is immensely cool though.
>>722587621Because Soulscels wont GIT GUD with actually hard games
>>722558803Competitive RTSs are high octane stuff. I 'retired' to fighting games because Warcraft 3 ladder was so exhausting to playRIP TFT. Blizzard should have gotten sued for fucking up the original game
>>722556391Heres one, no extra stageTouhou Adonis's stay winning
>>722567378>>722556895Git gud soulstranny
>>722581490
>>722557706>load cave Rom>le 320x200 resolutionLITERALLY UNPLAYABLE, god we needed more steam ports
>>722588241we know arcade hater
>>722587621also I'm vegan, haha take that /v/irgins
>>722556391Send 35 psn bucks and I'll buy and play instantly
>>722589078>Touhou Adonis'sLmao more like Touhou Aneros users
>>722589076lmao
>>722581490>all that seethingYep, he's right
>>722584868>OST>original soundtrack>"original">it's literally plagiarised from old electronic songs
>>722591286Oh yeah? Which ones smart guy?
>>722591583Gareggas soundtrack is literal plagariasm, other shmups have good original soundtracks
>>722591624Ok which tracks did it plagiarize
>>722591898>spoonfeeding
>>722584868Garegga has great tracks but to be honest ketsui has a really good and unique osthttps://youtu.be/7xCBtTz7cYI
>>722582786I find that even the English font looks bad in 99% of these Japanese ports.
>>722569861GG Aleste 3
>>722556595That's honestly really cheap for what it is. People will pay $70 for a mario galaxy port apparently.
>>722596159Was this the game with massive recovery problems because it had no rank system? I know one of the newer aleste games was borked like this
They should port Futari. It's great.
>>722598614They did port futari...
>>722583816It's basically the PS3 version with a few extra bells and whistles, like an option for twin-stick controls to have full 360 range and the ability to customize the soundtrack how you please. I emulated it a few years back when looking for games to play on RPCS3 (and Flycast), thought it was solid enough that I'd buy a native port of it, and now I'm satisfied.
>>722584560Shmups are not complex, why do YOU feel so called out?
>>722599990>Shmups are not complexoh yea?
>>722599990Some are, both in terms of requiring some strategy for survival (often mistook for raw memo) and learning scoring systems.
>>722600879>mistook for raw memoNo mistaking there. You learn (look up) the most optimal route and grind it until it's muscle memory.
>>722557479>w-well um [doubles down, talks about kids out of nowhere]Most honest shmupfag
>>722601075I never do that and still 1cc games though
>>722601178congrats you're a gamer
>>722601075>grind it until it's muscle memoryNot even remotely possible, no one has ever beat a shmup blindfolded.
>>722556924Shit anime and you are bad at caveshit
>>722581490You know fucking what!? You are right, like 90% of arcade games were the garbage you describe. Just like with nes shit, people only remember the bangers and forget that most that came out was fucking garbage.Like I went to an arcade a few weeks ago, and out of the 200 games they had, only 10 or so where legit bangers.
>>722603854>like 90% of arcade games were garbageWhich is exactly why the same dozen or so arcade games gets circlejerked to oblivion in these threads and literal thousands never get as much as mentioned.
>>722602957Why is the clown crying, are you the clown
>>722597208I'm not sure. I think the game has no rank, but the recovery is not that bad. When you die the weapons level down by one, you don't lose all your power. And you can get a shield to tank one hit.Using a continue brings you to the start of the stage, so that's kind of annoying.
>>722604131>dozen or soI could think of about of 100 really good ones off the top of my head. There are a lot for arcade games. Even if 90% of them were bad, that would mean there are A LOT of good ones.
>>722556391>Deathtinycute
>>722591583https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=59343
>>722606874Nothing about that implies copied
>>722606131She's sweating.
Which shmups are you playing anons?
>>722609035I have these games installed but I'm mostly just playing daioujou on my ps4. I think I will probably play Blue Revolver's hyper mode next. I 1cc'd normal mode with 2 characters and it was a really interesting game to me and normal was not nearly satisfying enough. I really like the ammo and scoring system, and I want to learn more breaks.
>>722556391It’s certainly the best shmup ever made and absolutely blows all other CAVE and danmaku games out of the water Anyone who ranks shmups and does not have Ketsui at the top of their list is 100% a poser who credit feedsAnyone who has bothered to learn Ketsui to get a 1cc understands automatically that the game is perfect >b-but muh dodo-No! Garbage by comparison
>>722556595Sounds like a fair price to me, but I like shmups. And I paid like a hundred bucks for a copy of DoDonPachi.
>>722610284>It’s certainly the best shmup ever madeWhy
>>722608395I'm not the same guy, I think the interviews are interesting. Where inspiration ends and plagiarism starts is up to you.
>>722606274I love when Japanese people think up English “puns” so much
>>722608769Looks like big salty tears to me
>>722610403Simplicity in design that rewards a basic instinct (aggression) but requires knowledge and reflexes to get that reward Doesn’t have a convoluted scoring system, no nonsense meters or extra garbage Just raw gameplay Controls perfectly, the OP’s port is flawless and has tons of extra modes and resources to learn the game without needing guidesPhenomenal sprite work and every OST arrangement is greatThe story (lol?) is actually cool but of course it isn’t shoved down your throatHonestly when electric underground didn’t list Ketsui above DDP, I lost respect for him and immediately knew he was a shitter You can’t bomb your way through ketsui
>>722613924>Ketsui>doesn't have a convoluted scoring systemYeah about that...
>>722613924You could use this to describe any shmup, like how does this not describe blue revolver
>>722557850>one credit every three minuteslmaoimagine sucking this much ass at arcades.
>>722614548BR's scoring is ass.
>>722614860How so?
>>722613924>Simplicity in design that rewards a basic instinct (aggression) but requires knowledge and reflexes to get that rewardLike most shmups?>Doesn’t have a convoluted scoring system, no nonsense meters or extra garbageShit wasn't properly planned to the point they had to change it for second loop.>Controls perfectly, the OP’s port is flawless and has tons of extra modes and resources to learn the game without needing guidesThat's the standard for any M2 port.>Phenomenal sprite work and every OST arrangement is greatCan't top the og Mushi and Futari on this aspect.>Honestly when electric underground didn’t list Ketsui above DDP, I lost respect for him and immediately knew he was a shitterPeople... have different tastes... whoa...>You can’t bomb your way through ketsui?????? Maybe if you're going for second loop, but nothing stops you from bombing spam when the game gives you a crazy amount of resource (6 lives max and at least one extra bomb each stage).
>>722614938Building up the multiplier and then cashing in with the secondary weapon feels weird. And it gets raped by the cluster missile.
>>722615598It's a good system. A common complaint about chaining games is that you have to hard route the entire stage. Flourishes offer several degrees of optimisation and tie into other systems creating a risk vs reward scenario. And the WR replays have some really intriguing ways to maximize or extend chains. Or at least that's my personal impression.
>>722615983>you have to hard route the entire stage. This is true.Chaining will always be ass for me, sorry.
>>722616156But flourish doesn't work like that. It's ironically similiar to how lock on cashing in ketsui works.
Bump. I wanna see this thread die of old age.
>>722614259It really doesn't. It's up there with Dangun Feveron in terms of having a braindead yet fun scoring system.
>>722618371It seems to have run its course. OP doesn't really seem interested in discussing ketsui.
>>722556391>Literally find a flawits a shmup
>>722619084This, so much this! It would be a masterpiece if it was a thid person open world crafting survival game. What a shame.
WEAPON LEVEL UP
>>722621351DEAD GENREDEAD THREAD
>>722618947>OP doesn't really seem interested in discussing ketsui.idk i've been playing iti'm still not very good at it so anything i'd have to add wouldn't really be of much substancethis is probably the most fun i've ever had playing a shmup though
>>722621516Give it time, you'll have plenty of chances to really think about it. It's not an easy game. Also, as a tip, it's really easy to record replays with the PS4 share feature and load them onto a key drive to make webms.
>>722621502Sorry, can't hear you overJUST A COUPLE MORE SHOTS!
>>722558698>>722558723>>722558747>>722558765This interaction made me chuckle as someone who competed in both professional soulcalibur and high level competitive starcraft.Even had a decent competitive run at SCVI. I tried to try hard tekken 8 and sf6 but it didn't scratch the same itch. Soulcalibur's movement and logic just made it irreplaceable to me.
how come no shmups have good novice difficulties except crimzon clover?
>>722622975Because it takes 30 minutes to beat? It's kinda just pointless. Anyways, normal mode in touhou, generally
>>722623683holy crap chat is this real
Stream doko
>>722622975Almost every Cave game on the 360 as well as M2's ports have novice mode.
What is the absolute fastest shmup ever made?
>>722627281Galaga.
>>722566749>Some don't play ninja gaiden :-)ftfy>>722566773This
>>722627002This table makes type A look stacked but not having spread is pretty tough.
>>722627281It depends If we are talking about bullet speed. Some of them have certain mechanics like rank that make the bullets go faster than normal.Espgaluga 1/2 - Kakusei OvermodeMushihimesama - Original Mode Max Gem CounterDodonpachi Daioujou Black Label - Max rank+Hyper activationStrikers 1945 II - Max rankGunbird 2 - 2nd loopSoukyugurentai Oubushutsugeki - 2nd loop difficulty enabled+Level 8Aero ChimeraDangun FeveronI think some versions of Fire Shark have ridiculously fast bullets iirc
>>722556391The difficulty ramps up quickly and stays punishing. Early stages demand aggressive play, but later ones overwhelm with tight patterns and little room for error. This leads to repeated failures that test patience more than skill for many users. Without gentle learning tools, progress stalls, turning fun bursts into grinding frustration.A thin storyline provides no real context or character growth. Events unfold through basic cutscenes with minimal dialogue, leaving players detached from the conflict. This absence of narrative depth reduces emotional pull and replay motivation beyond mechanical mastery. Game length stays brief, with full runs often under an hour. Stages repeat in structure, offering little variety in environments or enemy behaviors. Once patterns become familiar, the experience loops without fresh surprises or expanded modes to extend value. At a premium price point, this compact design feels sparse for the investment.Visuals prioritize clear bullet trails over detailed art. Sprites and backgrounds appear basic, with colors that blend in hectic moments. Sound design uses steady techno beats, but effects lack punch, making impacts feel flat over time.
>>722628927Can we fucking ban AI post replies like this
>>722628927But enough about Psikyo games, let's talk about Ketsui.
>>722629039Happens every time the ninja gaiden tard makes an appearance
>>722629157Psikyo sucks compared to Cave and Raizing, they don't deserve to be in the same conversation
>>722558628That's a good way to drive people off with headache-inducing flickering sprites.
>>722629723
>>722629723nigger
>>722632894Literally the only good Psikyo game is Zero Gunner 2.
>>722632894Based
ZeroRanger is the best shmup i have ever played. Like it even more than DoDonPachi and Radiant Silvergun which are great but overrated.
>>722633071Tengai is alright
>>722635907
>>722556391Can I credit feed the PS4 version?
1CC? That's child's play. Adults go for high scores, the 1CC is a given for us.
>>722636529yeah but you have to do like 10 runs to raise the credit limit until you unlock free playdoesn't matter where you get in those runs
If your shmup only needs three buttons and doesn't require constant, meaningful button mashing the kind that actually matters and can't just be automated with turbo without any drawback your shmup is trash
>>722637318ketsui you're gonna be switching between lock and shot so frequently that you barely even need the autofire button unless you're like playing on a gamepad
>>722637318You mean like some kind of...gameplay density?
I really just like Touhou 7 and 8 i don't really care about the other ones
doko
>>722637789We don't need a bump that badly
Why do shmupfags keep threads like these on life support?
About to start a fresh save on Skyforce Reloaded and all of you can stick Touhou-shaped butt plug up your ass.
>>722639786Beats me
>>722639270What about 9? It's like Twinkle Star Sprites, but danmaku.
>>722581490Cave is now a gachaslop company so you're not completely wrong.
>>722558254Pretty much yeah.
>prep my infinite quarters>music maxed out>level 999 extreme maniac death mode +Ryup, it's gaming time
>>722640994mambo
>>722579454>>actually tough games that gatekeep retardsMORK CAN BEAT DODONPACHISHMUPS ARE NOT THAT HARD
I have a theory that is proven time and time again, that hardcore shmup fans can only play shmups and nothing elseLook at Mork, he can play shmups, but is completely hard filtered by anything elseAnd then we have our resident onimai avatarfag who clearly doesn't play anything but shmupsIt's a curious thing
>>722642991The only other thing I've seen shmupfags play are arcade rhythm games.
>>722642991https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZdno-EIYFY&list=PLfI6IYca_kvPVZMjHBP9oHBCugWZ_2QwF
>>722644530Clast is the exception that I've seenBut the loudest shmupfags get insanely hard filtered by anything 3D and anything action
>>722644530buy an ad rob
>>722579673do you think taking a break means sitting there doing nothing?obviously you do since it it says>spends his free time taking a break from his hobbyas if you only have one hobby so if you aren't doing it you need to sit there doing nothing.taking a break means to go do another hobby and coming back with a fresh mindset.genuine autism moment right here to not even understand that.
>>722558254Unfortunately you do not possess the autism gene required to enjoy shmups. Sad!
>>722642991>people mainly play one specific genreNo shit. This is complete normal in any genre. I follow the WC3 competitive scene and ranked ladder (top 100) and all they do is play the same game every single day and every time they touch anything remotely different, they play the game on casual level. Same shit with speedrunners, tetris (mostly classic and tgm3) players, cod players, fighting game players, moba players... >Look at Morkdon't care, get this eceleb garbage out of here
My pet conspiracy theory is that the fags shitting on shmups are actually shmup enjoyers, and they're just doing it for easy (You)s. Ultimate psyop.
>>722644583Spliced runs.
>>722642991>And then we have our resident onimai avatarfag who clearly doesn't play anything but shmupsI play every single genre
>>722646516You quite literally have consistently proven you don't play shit outside of shmupsI remember when you were pathetically calling Bayonetta a DMC clone and your idiocy was on full display, as if avatarfagging wasn't proof enough
>>722646516>play every single genreNTA but it's true since I dont see a coherent theme here.
>>722624265I am sufficiently drunk enough if you want a shmup stream from a super beginner
>>722556595fppp (first post poorfag post)
>>722645456I play basically every game on its hardest difficulty and I play a lot of different genres of gamesam quite good at many different competitive games in different genres as welli've been divine in dota, diamond in sf5 & 6, MGE in cs (which isn't as high), master in apex legends, grand champion in battlerite, legend in hearthstone, master rank in hots, I have topped nationals in the physical digimon tcg and won multiple regionals, topped YCS's in yugioh, and many other top 1% of players ranks in other titles, and this is just what I can remember off the top of my head.a lot of people get to being good by just grinding like crazy and not actually learning, but I would say most people who get above average at games and don't just play one genre don't really have this problem. the grind autismos who just play one game until they grind the muscle memory and instincts to insane degrees rather than actually understanding why are never people you should listen to, even in the games they are good at, because they don't even know why they are good at it.
>>722646718want to play blazblue
>>722646682>drunk anon at it againHave fun man
>>722646738I have only blazblue I have ever played was BB tag and for less than an 2hrs with a friend of mine. I didn't particularly enjoy it so no, not really anon.
>>722646789What shall I stream anon?
>>722646563>Bayonetta a DMC cloneAll character action games are a shitty clone of DMC and I don't consider it a real genre. It's a useless descriptor because, for example, God hand is clearly nothing like a character action game but constantly referred to as one. Furthermore, I personally feel platinum has never made a good game. I also think character action games attract a lot of mentally ill spergs, proof being you who has been throwing a tantrum in these threads for ages. Shmups are what I find most interesting at the moment so I'm sinking a lot of time into them, therefore it will seem like shmups are "all I play". Also I prefer the combo mechanics in Capcom games because they are mechanically fun instead of mechanically "fluid", for example playing Cable in mvc2 almost feels like controlling an alien gun rather than your rote typical fighting game controls of today, and that can also be seen in their other games, from their beat em ups to horror games, all very interesting and fun control. I don't consider it neccessarily a positive if I can pick up a game and it's controls immediately feel familiar. I like DMC5 because the characters have very unique controls even though it has less execution than dmc4.
>>722646946Nonsense like this is why we know you don't play other genres lil faggot
>>722647005Stay mad
>>722647042>madCalling an obviously retarded retard a retard isn't being madYou don't play any action games that's definitely clear, and you avatarfag, meaning you're a cancerous newfag
>>722647113>action gamesIm pretty positive shmups fall under the category of "action"
>>722647158Cool, start a stream of a 3D action game and detail for us why they're all DMC clones according to youYou won't
>>722647113>meaning you're a cancerous newfagHe's been posting that chart for over 10 years....
>>722647242>uh if he's a cancerous newfag for 10 years that somehow means he isn't cancerAnon...
>>722646946as mentally ill as character action game schizos are, and with how buck broken they are by souls games taking exactly what they wanted their genre to be, you clearly have no fucking idea what you are talking about and are just as mentally ill as them or moreso.the stuff you say about them and about fighting games is the most retarded "I have never played this genre before" type of statement.you remind me of a guy I had a university class with where I was talking to a friend about dota and he said he played and insisted a bunch of the things I said were simply impossible only to later reveal he only had ever played matches against bots and had 0 understand of the game at large.
>>722647294Why did souls break action game players so hard?I don't get it, they have like a persecution complex.
What's the best sub-weapon for Feveron? I like the missiles, but are the other two better?
>>722647405because character action games, the genre name, was pretty much coined to differentiate the type of action games with more "depth" than the "generic" action games at the time.basically during this period 95% of "action" games coming out were just movie games with some action combat tacked on and were very poorly thought, so the genre came about as a way to talk about what people considered legitimate action games, its why so many games considered character action games are nothing alike and share no mechanics. pretty much it was trying to say they were better than others for playing this genre of "better" games than others would play.then souls games released, did the exact opposite, rather than having complicated movesets and punching bag enemies (which pretty much all movie game action games also had) they had a simple moveset with high enemy complexity and focused gameplay around interaction with enemies rather than direction interaction with the players moveset.this was very popular, and copied by a lot of games.now souls combat is pretty much synonymous with action games and the default action game combat, cag schizos hate this and wanted their high player complexity to be the default.the problem is that high player complexity is pretty fucking boring because the enemies are boring and you can just learn 1 thing and beat the game trivially, souls games having higher enemy complexity mean that a new enemy is basically an entirely new and fresh part of the game so they are far easier to expand out and any changes to the players moveset and equipment multiplies this. so its far easier to have a lot more varied and interesting permutations and adds a lot of personal customization to the genre.in short they are upset because they thought of themselves as better and when another style of action game doing the exact opposite came along, became massively popular, and literally became the default, they hated it.
>>722647294This is just the hours from one of several fightcade accounts. (I swap them to avoid harassment, when, for example playing with 4chan, as many people are mentally unstable here) I played it since fightcade 1, until about 2023, and I grew up playing them. What I like most about fighting games is how it feels to play characters and how you literally feel like a super hero or an anime character when they start to feel pretty natural. I don't get that with stuff like sf6 or strive, they all feel very generic and samey to me, so I do not like them. It just not interesting or fun to play them, so it's hard to feel passionate about them and deal with all the bullshit that comes with the genre. And platinum games just suck. Team Ninja games suck too. NG is one of the most overrated games of all time and Nioh 1 was so abhorrently bad I will never play a team ninja game again.>>722647186>You won'tI am all too familiar with this type of bullying and it won't work on me.
>>722647675"Character action" is a genre name coined by retarded youtubers, the fact you parrot it proves you don't playAs well as not streaming, not knowing anything about the genre etc
>>722647728You don't play lmfaoImagine seething this hard over being asked to qualify your retarded posts
>>722647736so you didn't read the post at all.why would I stream them? where the fuck did this come from at all? and you want me to stream dozens of games? wtf are you on about schizono, I have played many character action gamesI have played all the dmc games, bayo, god hand, most of the ninja gaiden games, and plenty more.yeah I like souls games, yeah I can appreciate different games for what they are, no cag were never special and I thought the people who thought of them as somehow different from other action games were crazy and yes I find it hilarious how buck broken these people are now that souls games are popular.the fact I am literally making fun of the genre and its name and you are saying I never played them because I do this when you are also saying its made up genre is quite hilarious and its clear you didn't read the post at all and you won't read this one but anyone else who reads all 3 will know how retarded you are.
>>722647925>no stream>all lowercase>retarded ignoranceYou do not play
>>722647798The impression I am getting is that this is projection, and you are in here having a meltdown and policing board opinion, a consequence of allowing people to have permanent generals for no reason. And boy was I shocked when I downloaded nioh and it was a buggy kusoge with flat empty maps, enemies just lazily placed around, and diablo loot. People really had a general on that every day for years. It's almost as bad as the elder scrolls threads. At some point you have to step outside of your comfort zone and try new things, otherwise you'll get stuck playing total crap and lose all perspective. I think moderation is far too lenient with you people and it has hurt the board greatly. Too many weird cliques nowadays.
>>722647970I accept your concession
>calling a retarded non-player a retarded non-player is having a meltdownThese people are so sensitive lmfaoAll he has to do is prove he knows what he's talking about, but he can't, because he doesn't
>>722646810a shmup obviously
I really like Daifukkatsu
>>722650851It's because of A.I, right?
Is Battle Garegga really that hard to beat? I feel like I can get to stage 5 or 6 pretty consistently without it getting super fucked up but I have a feeling that's where the actual difficulty starts
>>722651169If you know the rank mechanics and keep it low, not really. Batrider is harder for survival.
>>722642991doesn't he also play tekken?
>>722651169I consider it easy under certain conditions, but it's VERY easy to sink a run. If your options fly off screen, it's hard to recover. There are also a lot of RNG factors that can fuck you really bad no matter how low the rank is. Picrel shows different patterns that can happen in phase 3 of BH2.My recommendation is to play as one of the top dog survival ships (wild snail, gain and miyamoto) and try to stay at 1~3 lives/2 options/level 2 shot/10Hz firerate until stage 6, then enable homing formation and completely forget rank exists. You can also hoard bombs in stage 4 if you just want to destroy the stage 5 flying carriers. Also, don't be afraid of high rank if you didn't properly control the rank. If you have good raw dodging skills, high rank isn't a big deal. Just make sure to increase your firerate to 15Hz to deal with the destructive bullets.
There is literally no reason not to have built-in autofire in a shmup. Moreover, there is rarely a reason not to just tape down the fire button, aside from keeping enemies alive longer for chaining or whatever. Something about it ticks me off.
>>722654142>there is rarely a reason not to just tape down the fire buttoncharged shots, focus fire, speed change etc.
>>722654257Not in every game, hence rarely, and you can just have a separate button for all that anyway.
>>722654392why have two/three/four buttons when you can bind it all to one? without sacrificing autofire in the process and making the act of pushing a button more reactive.
>>722654513You can, but again, how many games actually do this? Especially modern ones.
>>722654616>Especially modern oneshow many modern games don't have autofire? what are you even arguing about man
>>722654654Two things - a lot of older games not having autofire and most modern games not having much a reason not to hold the autofire button down.
Hellish reminder
>>722654998They held out the arcade shmup flag until after SDOJ, so they still have my respect
>>722654998E-mail them and ask them to make gacha shmup
>>722655174>CAVE made a Touhou shmup fangame>It's gacha slop for phonesGet me outta here
>>722655258CAVE unironically making a touhou gacha will never not be hilarious and sad. For one it's a franchise openly ripping off their own games, and the actual quality of the games is barely above chink bootlegs.
>>722654998Gomaotsu was't that bad imo, kinda fun albeit gacha slop, also other shmup companies are making games on Switch so I'm content with that.Cave is good but it's retarded some treats it like the whole industry is irrelevant unless they comes back to making games.
>>722655174gomaotsu is gacha shmup though
>>722654998>Presented by CAVE
>>722647418idk I like the spike wheels bc they're cool
real shmup playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YAJxmOpUO0
>>722654142Cave games don't have this problemAs long as you have two different shot-types that do different things you're fine
>>722556391I appreciate how honest this game is. There's no crutches whatsoever. No hypers, no laser bombs, no auto bombs, you only get 3 bombs per life no matter what, etc. There's no way to get around anything.
>>722660594Hypers in DP series are for score mainly, and using them makes the game harder. Also bombs and laser bombs use the same amount.
Best Cave shmup: KetsuiBest Konami shmup: Jikkyou Oshaberi ParodiusBest Psikyo shmup: Sengoku Blade/TengaiBest Taito shmup: Darius GaidenBest Success shmup: Cotton 2Best Irem shmup: R-Type LeoBest Treasure shmup: Gradius VBest Raizing shmup: Armed Police BatriderBest Toaplan shmup: BatsugunBest indie shmup: Touhou 7 Perfect Cherry Blossom
>>722661608>Best indie shmupCrimzon Clover easily and it's not even close.
>>722661608>Best Cave shmup: KetsuiNah. DOJ is more fun.>Best Konami shmup: Jikkyou Oshaberi ParodiusActually yeah sure.>Best Psikyo shmup: Sengoku Blade/TengaiBased and possibly Junispilled>Best Taito shmup: Darius GaidenRaystorm thoughever>Best Success shmup: Cotton 2I will have to play it then, since I already did the first one.>Best Irem shmup: R-Type LeoNever played any of their games at all.>Best Treasure shmup: Gradius VThat's cheating to include 2 Konami games, but I guess.>Best Raizing shmup: Armed Police BatriderNo objections here, M2 port literally fucking when?>Best Toaplan shmup: BatsugunVery proto-CAVE but ok>Best indie shmup: Touhou 7 Perfect Cherry BlossomNo please, play the ones inspired by CAVE instead.>>722661920See now we are talking.
>>722660950Yeah, but hypers can save you from a guaranteed death situation.>and using them makes the game harderOnly valid for DFK and SDOJ. DOJ's high rank can actually make the game easier in some sections, cus bullets will leave the screen faster. The most notable moments are Stage 1-5/2-5 start and Kouryu. If your rank is low, bullet speed will be very slow and you're going to be forced to micro dodge dense patterns.
>>722661932>Based and possibly JunispilledNTA but our numbers grow.
>>722662873Was Marion always that good or Sengoku Blade made her OP on purpose? I swear she makes the game really fucking easy.
>>722662151>DOJ's high rank can actually make the game easier in some sectionsIt's not worth it really, final boss is the only time where it matters and of course that means you are at the end of the loop by now.
>over 24 hours old nowOkay I'm not posting in another shmup thread for at least a month
>>722663630It will be 500 posts too
>>722654998Shmups and gacha are the same level of slop.
>>722663630We already have another one on /vr/, but much slower.
>>722665710You still here? your seethe sustains me
>>722665959That was my first post in this thread. Arcade games are the original mobile gacha trash.
>>722665647I don't think it will produce anything of value, I stopped posting in the shmup thread on /vr/ because they started making "I've never played a shmup before, what are some video games" threads and then some retard started going on mentally retarded rants about how seimitsu was the best arcade stick ever and telling me I didn't know what I was talking about because I didn't own one while I literally physically had the stick in my hand, so shan't ever be posting there again. Sure hope those retards don't migrate here. All generals are bad.
>>722666041They couldnt be more different but keep seething You will never convince anyone of your retardations
>>722666168They're both low effort scams.
>>722666273>arcade: you pay for playing a full well-designed game with tight gameplay>gacha: you pay for jpegs to gawk atHow are these two the same?
>>722666345>full well-designed game with tight gameplayThese pieces of shit use every trick in the book to scam you.
>>722666408How, exactly, are you getting scammed? Even with bullshit enemy spawns or patterns as long as you just learn the game (which you can even do by watching) you will be able to play and clear it. They don't weaponize FOMO, gambling addiction and desire to skip the tedium of pointless endless grinding like gachas do.
>>722666768>How, exactly, are you getting scammed?The laughable difficulty spike after the first level. Indian tier low effort scam.
>>722666041>>722666273NTA, but can you elaborate? I'm really curious, since it sounds very disingenuous.
>>722666916Arcade slop can't have a good difficulty curve or pacing, the format doesn't allow for it.
>>722666906>after the first levelYou don't know what you're talking about. Also, get good.>>722666970>Arcade slop can't have a good difficulty curve or pacingYes, arcade games have both, it's just condensed due to low overall length and high gameplay density. Some would even argue that the typical 5-level shmup structure is a little too formulaic.
>>722667076>gameplay densityEvery single shmup "fan" is just a parrot for one retarded youtuber.
>>722667127And you're just a retarded troll without any arguments.
>>722666906Sounds like a (You) problem. Maybe solitaire and minesweeper are more your speed.
Why do people bother replying?Anyways what game(s) should I play? I've just been playing deathsmiles and mushihimesama the past few days.
>>722667228>doesn't even deny itLOL. Some people are just natural born followers.>>722667273>Sounds like a (You) problem.Clearly you don't play these shitty games.
>>722667302>what are some video games
>>722666119Seimitsu is the best though not even a question
>>722667302Play Ketsui.
>>722667302The three CAVE shmups on Steam (Deathsmiles, Mushi, DDP DFK) are all pretty easy-intermediate level 1ccs so you may as well grind those out first
>>722666345>>arcade: you pay for playing a full well-designed game with tight gameplayraiden 1 and raiden 2 were the most successful shmups and these 2 games are full of bullshit mechanics
>>722667483Good idea>>722667507I have no desire to 1CC any game desuu
>>722667507Well you did it, you responded to retarded bait made by someone who doesn't belong here. How does it feel?
>>722667719If you don't want to beat the game why play it
>>722667719>I have no desire to 1CC any game desuuaverage user in this thread
>>722667945>>722668025You're not going to trick me into arguing with you about the fact most players don't care about 1CC and they just like shooting stuff with the thrill of dying in 1 hit.
>shmupsmemorization and routing slop, not real video games
>>722668146There is no thrill to dying in 1 hit if you just respawn where you are and have infinite lives due to credit feeding
>>722668420Works fine on my machine
>>722667945I get it though. Shmups are inherently fun to play and in a lot of them you can see all - or at the very least most of - the content even if you credit feed. So you can just play them as a coffee break game, or do a few runs - while still trying to die as little as possible but not sweating too much about it - just to experience the levels, the music, the bosses.
>>722668365Play Battle Garegga and try to get the same run twice
Every thread that's a picture of box art or a steam banner is just vile, every time. If someone is so lazy they just use a picture that's the first result off google there is zero chance that thread will be good.
>>722661608>Best Cave shmup: KetsuiAGREED>Best Konami shmup: Jikkyou Oshaberi ParodiusGokujō Parodius and Sexy Parodius for me instead>Best Psikyo shmup: Sengoku Blade/TengaiBased. Add Strikers 1945 II and Dragon blaze to the list>Best Taito shmup: Darius GaidenWhat about any of the Ray series?>Best Success shmup: Cotton 2Sure>Best Irem shmup: R-Type LeoNah, I would pick Delta>Best Treasure shmup: Gradius VNo objections here>Best Raizing shmup: Armed Police BatriderDefinitely>Best Toaplan shmup: BatsugunNo Outzone, Slap Fight, Tatsujin or Vimana?>Best indie shmup: Touhou 7 Perfect Cherry BlossomNo. Since Crimzon Clover got mentioned earlier, my second best would be Rolling Gunner
>>722668949shmups threads are always badmost people who post in these threads are posers
>>722668949Well it seems to work
>>722669571Work for what? Making shitty threads? If everyone is making shitty clickbait then there will never be any room for actual discussion. No one ever makes a thread because they've actually got something to say. It's just to have a general to hang out in.
>>722669760>there will never be any room for actual discussionI mean... We had SOME actual discussion here. Not much, but better than nothing.
>>722669272What should I clear to not be a poser?
>>722667302I got the 1CC in Mushihimesama normal t'other day. First non-Touhou I've done. I really enjoyed this one, you feel yourself reverting to a creature of pure instinct as you play... it's sort of like cumming, but for gamersI'm trying to play DDP Daifukkatsu but teh final stage is an absolute cunt and the previous stages feel a bit boring. Stage 4 is just hyper meter nonstop
>>722669821The thread could have lasted 20 posts and had an identical value
>>722670235DFK has autobomb and is therefore bad. Just download a romset for fbneo and play some real Donpachi games.
>>722670235Save your hyper and bombs for those laser wheels, you will need them. Also use manual bombs because they last a lot more time.
What's the ultimate goal of someone pretending to be newbie or hating shmups? I refuse to believe this is all for (You)s. Is this supposed to be a 200 IQ trolling?
>>722673159>pretending to be newbieWho said I'm pretending?
>>722673159>pretending to be newbieGenerate discussion. There again, asking things like "recommend me some shmups" isn't necessarily saying you are a newbie.>hating shmupsRagebait but I doubt half of the posts are pretending.
>>722673159>What's the ultimate goal of someone pretending to be newbie or hating shmupsIt's to occupy space in the catalogue and circumvent actual discussion. It's likely someone that has taken an interest in a youtuber and has never actually played a video game. This is grim and hard to believe, but it's the reality of what constitutes 95% of threads on /v/ nowadays. People simply slog through rpgs and other such casual games, and watch others play actual games. If you make a thread with actual footage of you playing a game, people will get scared and not respond to it, but will dogpile into threads like this, because it's signaling to them that this is a thread for shooting the shit and trolling.
>>722667302>what game(s) should I play?For something entirely different, try Twinkle Star Sprites.
>>722667302For something truly different, try Acceleration of Suguri 2 or Maiden and Spell
>>722669272https://filebin.net/cw9fs2p1d84nls2h
>>722675231More like AGP.
>>722674137Is Maiden and Spell that different from Rabbit and Steel?
>>722675989It's not a roguelite for one, and story stages come with a couple phases that are more like a fighting game before you get to the bullet hell. Other than that, I guess it's similar enough.
>>722661608For me the best indies are Crimzon Clover, Touhou 8/12.8 and Blue Revolver now that Double Action is a thingI don't think the scoring in BR is as instinctual as some other systems but it gets pretty fun once you "figure out" the game, get more of the breaks and all that
I've been thinking about playing some shmups through emulation. Anything on PS3 worth playing?
>>722676510PS3 has gaems???
>>722676510>what are some video games
