>No Gyro>No HD Rumble>No Hall effect sticks>No adaptive triggersRest in Piss Microsoft, It's insane how this piece of shit controller has held back the industry for so long because Microsoft are a bunch of cheap jews who couldn't be bothered to improve this controller since 2006Dualsense and the NS pro controller mog this thing so hard especially with Steam's controller options
>>722560474For some reason both my xbox one and xbox 360 controllers never developed any form of drifting but this piece of shit had to be returned to the seller once and then it failed again a week after the refurbished one guarantee expired.And it is also in the same price range for some reason.I concur, MS can fuck itself.What a blight it was.
>>722560594>For some reason both my xbox one and xbox 360 controllers never developed any form of drifting but this piece of shit had to be returned to the seller once and then it failed again a week after the refurbished one guarantee expired.PS5 controller is so much better it's not even funny, Gyro, Touchpad , Adaptive triggers Microsoft didn't even try this generation, they deserve their failure
>>722560474its a fine controller reallybut yeah, its fucking ridiculous they charge the same as the Switch 2 pro and DS5 for this basic ass thing that doesnt even come with rechargable batteries
>>722560848all those features and yet i still bought the xbox controller instead because of the dualsense's shit battery
yeah but the sticks are in the right place
>>722560474I'm not sure what it is but the xbox controller shape is more comfortable for me vs the duelshock. Otherwise I generally agree that the duelshock has more to offer.
>>722560474>the only controller that has a metal dome d-pad on the market>it's in an awful position for 2D gamesWhat a fucking tragedy. The only sliver lining of this piece of shit is the changeable battery.
>>722561342>>the only controller that has a metal dome d-pad on the market>>it's in an awful position for 2D gamespain desu, i love the xbox dpad but i hate how the position of the dpad
I'm not gonna exempt Sony or Nintendo on this.They basically got the floor work done, but the ergonomics on the new switch controller and ps5 controller suck ass.And this also isn't getting into nintendo having their double backwards retard layout.
>>722561605Dude you have no idea how much I want a controller with the PSVITA's d-pad. Can someone mail Greg Coomer at Valve and ask him to copy the PSVITA's d-pad for the Steam Deck 2?
>>722560474Best d-pad so it wins by default
Buying first party controllers has been pointless for quite a while now.
>>722560474>sticks in the correct position>swappable batteries Only thing that matters
>>722561040Dualsense battery for me has been better than Xbox
>>722560474>PC>rumble doesn't work wirelessly>steam says fuck you and enables rumble wirelesslynow if only the dualsense would do rumble wirelessly, not automatically become the default mic, and actually use the speaker like on PS5 I'd use that 100% of the time instead of the Xx_BONE_xX controller
>>722562393You are genuinely lying.
>>722562393you're probably feeding your xbox controller with pure carbon-zinc slop
>>722560474>no trashy gimmicks is a bad thingIts comfortable and it werks
>>722560474
>>722560848I dislike PS5 controller's shape.
>>722560474>Steam's controller options>"how can i make this thread abou steam?"
>>722562748Now show me how you can use the left analog and the d-pad at the same time on an asymmetrical controller
>>722560474I don't need any of that JUST LET ME TURN OFF THE GODDAMN LED IT'S BLINDING ME
>>722562962Does dualsense solve that somehow? It's the same situation as with right analog and action buttons. You use one at a time.
>>722563007I taped over it.
>>722562962
thankfully it seems like the 3rd party market is getting better and better, the only thing you'd struggle to find in another controller is the swappable AA batteries>>722562748I do prefer the asymmetrical joysticks but these pics always exaggerate the issue, I've played 3D games with dualshock controllers and 2D games with the xbox's d-pad and I never felt any hand strain or discomfort
>>722562962Name a game that requires this.
>>722563045>thumb on stick>index finger on d-pad>middle finger on shoulder buttonsIt's pretty easy actually>>722563250Literally any game that uses the d-pad to cycle through options like any Dark Souls
>>722560474Gayming can finally advance
>>722563326that sounds super uncomfortable, although probably slightly more comfortable than a similar setup on the xbox pad
>>722563250Nothing worth playing
>>722563326>Literally any game that uses the d-pad to cycle through options like any Dark Soulsyou dont need to use the thumbstick while doing that
>>722560474But you can use rechargeable batteries with it that hold a charge for weeks, which is its main advantage because all competitors have a built-in battery that lasts one day.
>>722560474>no shit>no shit>no shit>no shitFor some reason, I just want a controller and not some weird sextoy.
>>722562962use left thumb for left stickuse right thumb for left dpadthat's how I do it, not that many games require it anyway but since you asked
>>722560474Also triggers that erode and become sticky unless you open the controller and destroy the cushions
>>722564293would you have said the same in the 90's when controllers introduced the 4 button layout,shoulder buttons, rumble and analog sticks?then you'd just be stuck with pic related
>>722564864I had that controller and it was fine. Almost indestructible. Now sticks can drift right out of the box. There's a stark difference between introducing a new button and making the triggers annoying to press. Rumble was also a gay addition.
>>722565096Gyro is basicly introducing new buttons yet you hate itControllers need to be able to move on from 2001
>>722560474>Got one of these as a gift>Collected dust for a few months>Decide to finally use it when Elden Ring comes out>Gets stick drift in less than 60 hours of playEven knowing Microsoft only releases garbage I still can't believe how shit this thing is.
>>722563250ffxiv
>>722565096People used to pay extra for shit like rumble packs
>>722561040I genuinely don't understand how battery matters for a controller. Can someone explain? I'm not gonna be farther than a couple meters from my PC while gaming so I can just as well use a cable. It'll have better latency than wireless too.
>>722561040>dual sense indicates one bar>connect it to portable phone battery bank>charges faster than it consumesWhy is this so hard for faggot normies to figure out. Imagine stopping to let battery charge or even worse, selecting an xbox controller because you coulndt figure this out
>>722564419this.
>>722560474At least the battery lasts longer than two hours.
>>722562367Have fun letting a machine aim for you I guess. I'll just be over here with mouse level accuracy while playing on my couch.
>>722565892Have fun trying to play Ape Escape with your mouse level accuracy shit
>>722560594Mine waited until the warranty was void to start driftingWhat a coincidence uh
>>722565752I guess it can be a hassle if you play from a sofa in a home with other people moving around (a long cable would be in the way), but those are usually "dad gamers" that don't play nearly enough at a time to deplete the battery of even the shittiest controller so this seem like a very specific issue.I don't think I've ever come even close to emptying the battery on my 8bitdo ultimate, and it's always charging on the dock when not in use
>>722565752you can use multiple devices with only one bluetooth receiver without having to plug/unplug shit whenever you change controller (in case you use arcade stick/6 button pad, xbox/ps layout)
>>722560474>no useless shit I don't needSounds perfect.>triggers and asymmetrical sticksNever mind.
>>722567380>>triggers and asymmetrical stickscant imagine being this triggered over triggers
>>722560474I have never used or needed any of these features in my life. I'd rather get a cheaper controller instead. But I assume M$ charges the same price as the competitors, which is why you're angry?
>>722560474No haptics, and no hall effect is a shame, but no gyro is unacceptable. So many games benefit from gyro aim.
>>722560474>No Hall effect sticksThis is the only issue with that controller.
>>722560474>>722560848>>722564864>>722567520Gyrofags are the vegans of controller users.
>>722567520>So many games benefit from gyro aim.name a single xbox game that uses gyro
>>722567576Sticks have always sucked donkey dick at aiming. Gyro is a massive improvement. Stickfags are stubborn retards.>>722567594None? Because it's not supported? what kind of question is this lol
>>722567520>muh wagglanIf waving the controller around like a retard would be more effective than using it normally, you're using the wrong input device for the game you're playing.
>>722567518>But I assume M$ charges the same price as the competitorsIt actually charges more than the competitors that have those features.
>>722567762Not true. Obviously mouse is the best for aiming, but plenty of games that feel better with controller/analogue movement have aiming in them. E.g. Zelda.
>>722567763>spend less on production>charge more>still sell the productbased
>>722560474>>No GyroI've played 2 games that felt like it wasn't a gimmick.>>No HD RumbleI can't stand rumble and turn it off whenever I can. My PS4 controller I use for PC has the rumble motor ripped out. >>No Hall effect sticksLegitimate complaint. >>No adaptive triggersAgain, who cares? I hated when they added rumble motors to the triggers with the Xbone. Quit fucking with the triggers, niggers.
>>722560474Bought a gamesaar and it's great except the buttons sound like mouse clicks.
>>722567576>NOO STOP INTRODUCING BETTER METHODS OF CONTROLS I WANT TO KEEP USING MY AUTOAIM AND STICKS
>>722567945literally any game that uses aiming at all benefits from gyro vs just sticks.
>dead, consoletards would rather let the game play by itself>meme>meme>mememeanwhile i got replaceable batteries and my xbox one controller is going strong for at least 10 years at this point
>>722560474MS also still rip you off with their AAA scam.But all first party pads are shit now.Go chinese or go home.
>>722560848>push one button>breaksWow great controller
>>722568301>sticks that don't break>meme
>>722568356>create a problem>sell a solution for a premium>retards clap their hands in awecontrollers didn't have drift issues before 2018
>gyroIsn't that for retards who physically spin themselves in a circle trying to turn harder in racing games?
>>722568084Fair I guess but I really only use a controller for racing games and platformers, or the game is too old for gyro support.
>>722568496>controllers didn't have drift issues before 2018This.
>>722562136I had the ps vita and remember feeling like the dpad was making me worse at spelunky than i wouldve been on a controllerI think it's the size, it needs to be bigger>>722560474>microsoft>sneaky judesIt checks out
>>722567762Waggle sucks, but gyro aim is the best thing that happened to controllers since analog sticks.
>>722567945>I've played 2 games that felt like it wasn't a gimmick.You've only played 2 games with any kind of aiming in your entire life?>I can't stand rumble and turn it off whenever I can. My PS4 controller I use for PC has the rumble motor ripped out.Alright, then turn it off.>Again, who cares? I hated when they added rumble motors to the triggers with the Xbone. Quit fucking with the triggers, niggers.Again. Turn it off if you don't like it. Those who do can enjoy it.
Why would you aim on a controller when you can use a mouse?
>>722569301>aimingI'd rather play games like these on a PC with a mouse rather than doing random acrobatics with a controller.>Alright, then turn it off.It's retarded to buy a device which charges you for features you'll never use.
>>722569361id never play a proper shooter on a pad but gyro aim was nice in games that only sometimes feature aiming like ocarina of time 3d.
>>722569404>It's retarded to buy a device which charges you for features you'll never use.not like you are getting other features or better quality with a microsoft pad lmao. the money just goes into their pockets.
>>722568695No. It's for being able to aim with mouse like accuracy instead of pointing in the general direction of the enemy and letting the game do the rest of the aiming for you.
>>722569404>I'd rather play games like these on a PC with a mouseEh, I agree on something like CSGO that's like 90% aiming 10% walking, but a lot of games benefit from 360° analog movement but also have aiming. Sometimes it's also just more comfortable to lay on the couch and play with a controller instead of sitting at a desk.>It's retarded to buy a device which charges you for features you'll never use.I can guarantee you that microsoft can buy the components in bulk for literal cents per piece. The only thing that will affect the price is their greed. This is beside the point anyway because xbox controllers cost the same as the competition anyway despite having less features. I don't play multiplayer games but I don't complain about the DS5 having a mic because it doesn't affect the price and having multiple models with different feature sets would be more expensive because you'd lose the advantage of mass production.
>>722569361See the first point of >>722569921
Gyro haters need to watch this video. A SINGLE joycon is better than your shitty no gyro xbox gamepadhttps://youtu.be/W2JmfVA6nm0?si=n7QS_FF1y2I-ZY_E
>>722560474>no gimmicks>it literally just works when you plug it in pc
>>722569404I play the majority of action games with controller but they have here and there situations where you need to aim and a decent gyro is a nice to have there as switching to mouse for this is not always possible.
>>722570026Would you rather waggle your arms around or just aim and shoot? Gyrofags can't comprehend this.
>>722570051So does my DS5. And Steam Controller 2 is going to BTFO the xbox as the definitive PC controller. At least xbox controllers will still be useful on xbox consoles... Oh wait, those won't exist in 5 years.
>>722560474Can't beat its dpad tho, plus it uses AAs so best controller
>>722570134You move your arm more when you use mouse. Are you waggling when you use mouse or are you aiming?
>>722570134>Would you rather play the game or just let the console aim for you?
>>722570134I can guarantee you that you aren't "just" aiming and shooting. Aim assist is doing 90% of the work for you because sticks are inherently trash for aiming.You're right though. I can't comprehend your retarded babbling.
And yet it just works without having to jump through hoops like a dualsense depending on whether your game uses xinput or directinput and its also massively more comfortable than any competing controller including the dualsense which costs more and feels like absolute shit for long play sessions.
>>722560474the build quality was terrible too, some of the higher end ones would come out of the box with terrible sticky buttonsgenuinely microsoft have some of the worst quality control in hardware ever, so many of their products were defective at ridiculously high rates
>>722560474Remember when the elite controllers were 300 fucking dollars and had worse build quality and felt worse than stock 360 controllers? Man I wish I bought like 50 wired 360 controllers when they were cheap
>>722570372What are you doing with your dualsenses? Mine literally just works on PC. Most games support it natively and those that don't I can just use Steam input.
>still the best selling controller in the world Rumble triggers is a better innovation than literally anything listed. Xbox controllers are the definitive controller shape and size. Nobody else comes close.
>>722560474Does Windows now support all the features of ds5?
>>722571047No, it doesn't support the haptic feedback that you can get on PS5
>plug in Xbox controller>button prompts are Xbox>plug in anything else>random chance whether the button prompts will change or stay as Xbox
>>722562906The thing is that steam input is now a standard that just works, i dunno if the xinput or dinput were even updated in the last 10 years.The real issue is that steam input requires steam being installed on the system for it to work.
>>722570791>Rumble triggers are more important than actually being able to aim, not having your thumbsticks go to shit after 3 months of light use or rumble triggers but playstation.
>>722571292>take 5 minutes to download and install PS/Switch button prompt mod
>>722560474It has vibrating triggers, but I don't think anyone except Kojima has used that feature. I was really surprised when I played Death Stranding that this controller could do that.
>>722571387If I wanted to aim why the fuck would I use a controller? Why are playstation fans so damn stupid and always pretend keyboard and mouse doesn't exist? Controllers are for games which don't need precise aiming and only some fucking retard would consider waving your arms about in the air to use gyro is better than just plugging in a mouse. Even consoles support mouse input now. >rumble triggers but playstationPlaystation doesn't have rumble triggers. They have "adaptive triggers" which artificially makes the trigger hard to press which literally nobody asked for. Imagine thinking fighting your controller to make a simple input is a good thing. Adaptive triggers is probably one of the most turned off features in gaming history. It's unanimously hated.
>>722571765>If I wanted to aim why the fuck would I use a controller?See >>722569987
>>722571765I use gyro gamepad when I'm in the living room playing from a couch and I use m&kb with a monitor.
>>722571765Playstation fans hate PC so they'll never acknowledge keyboard and mouse as a viable input.
>>722560474Every mainstream modern controller is shit and so are those based on them.The industry is being held back, because people are using handheld monobody, dual analog controllers, not because Microsoft keeps insisting on using an especially bad one.
>>722562452>>722562495seethe faggots, its 2025 no one is constantly buying batteries for their controllers. Microsoft's rechargeable pack is shit too
>>722568353Maybe if your a child with no impulse control
>>722571765Because being able to aim in modern games also coincides with being able to move.If all you have is analog sticks, then the game should really be using tank controls or some other control scheme that doesn't require you to move the camera in order to get the desired movement from your character.
>>7225718931. Waving your controller around in the air like a wiimote is the exact opposite of comfort 2. Every shooter which supports controller has aim assist anyway and defeats the point of needing to wave your controller about 3. Nobody sensible is playing competitive multiplayer shooters on a controller so the games people will be playing will be single player where aim assist does the job or else just use kb+mXbox controllers are the most comfortable and most compatible. There's a reason why they're the most used controller in the world. Nobody gives a shit about dualsense or gyro.
>>722571292do you actually look at your controller like a child to tell what buttons are what?fucking lmao.
>>722560474Why can’t Sony make a controller with the left stick in a proper location?
>>722572267>There's a reason why they're the most used controller in the world.yeah PC tards are legit clueless when it comes to gamepads because all of their attention went into mouse and keyboard autism.the most sold controller for the longest time was that logitech abomination.then the disastrous 360 pad took over. you STILL have retards recommend it because they never actually used anything else.
>>722572416Thanks for falling for the bait and admitting this is a low effort console war thread. Fuck off.
>>722572484meds
>>722572267>Waving your controller aroundFalse. Try to look up what gyro aim is before you argue against it>aim assistEver heard of these things called movies? They're kinda like games but shorter and non-interactive. Sounds like they'd be more your speed if you want games to just play themselves for you.>competitive multiplayer shootersThose aren't the only games that involve aiming. If I had to guess I'd say a good 2/3rds of all games involve some form of aiming. And a good chunk of those are better played on controller.>aim assistAgain, watch movies and leave games for the people who want to actually play. Or maybe you could let another man fuck your wife if you like to watch.
how did microsoft fool retards into believing that not putting in batteries was a good thing?absolute corporate lap dogs.
>>722572267> Waving your controller around in the air like a wiimote is the exact opposite of comfort Have you ever actually used Gyro? it's not some six axis move the controller type of thing, its subtle movements, like using a mouse>Every shooter which supports controller has aim assist anyway and defeats the point of needing to wave your controller about Again where does this idea that you are "waving the controller around" come from? It's not VRIt lets you make fine subtle movements that an anlog stick just cant, its the KBM equivalent for Controller players> Nobody sensible is playing competitive multiplayer shooters on a controller so the games people will be playing will be single player where aim assist does the job or else just use kb+mNot every use of Gyro is competitive, nor do most people play competitive, Gyro is great I really dont understand the rejectionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ0xDRkC8LI
>>722572684Meanwhile in reality https://www.techradar.com/gaming/a-new-dualsense-wireless-controller-featuring-a-removable-battery-is-reportedly-releasing-this-year
>>722572747>sony joining in on the scam 20 years latevery based.chink pads only from now on for me.
>>722572747KEK owned that retard
It's super cheapIt just werksAlso all those features don't exist for games before 2022ish
>>722562748And yet when I play Gran Turismo with the sticks, it's perfect. Tried playing Forza with the sticks on 360 and it just felt wrong. Good thing that controller had the best triggers. Sony's controllers got worse after the DS2. I miss the analogue buttons.
>>722572970>It's super cheapAren't they the same price as dualsense? Or are you talking about the older ones?
>>722572747cant wait for the narrative shift from ps morons to how removable batteries is suddenly a great thing despite aggressively fighting the idea for decades and just telling you to buy a whole new controller when the built in battery inevitably fucks itself.
>>722573092your console fanboy bogeyman isnt a thing people here dont even play on shitboxes they play on PC and they can pick whatever pad they want. shipping controllers without battery will always be kiked just how paying for online is kiked no matter who does it.both MS inventions funny enough.
>>722573089It cost like 40 for the official xbox 20 for the copiesdualsense is 70
>>722573203Where did you buy it and when? I just looked it up and the series s/x controllers seem to be the same price as dualsense.
>>722573174>shipping controllers without batteryThey do ship with batteries thoughbeit.
>>722573174>what is seganet >unironically complaining about getting a controller (which comes with batteries in the box btw) which allows you to use your own batteries or battery pack versus a non user replaceable small capacity internal battery So lying and defending anti consumer decisions is a console boogeyman? You're only exposing your bias with your posts lol.
>>722573376>(which comes with batteries in the box btw)lmao you cant be serious bringing up non rechargables
>>722573337You're arguing with a playstation fanboy. Obviously he won't know this stuff. He's pretending he's a PC gamer too after talking shit about PC gamers a few posts earlier >>722572416
The only modern amenity it needs are hall effect sticks. Everything else is unnecessary.
You can buy any random $30 chinese pad now and get a charging dock and they wont charge you extra for battery packs or make you replace batteries like a 90s cave man while charging premium prices.
>>722573417>shipping controllers without batteryYou made the claim. Don't cry when you get called out on it.
>>722572267>1. Waving your controller around in the air like a wiimote is the exact opposite of comfortWii commercials were exaggerated, even gyro only needs minimal arm motion.>2. Every shooter which supports controller has aim assist anyway and defeats the point of needing to wave your controller aboutAim assist requires massive workarounds to even be usable, takes control away from the player and limits what you can play to slow, oversimplified slop with no verticality and canned movement.>3. Nobody sensible is playing competitive multiplayer shooters on a controller so the games people will be playing will be single player where aim assist does the job or else just use kb+mNormalfags aren't sensible and they play with aim assist.>Xbox controllers are the most comfortable and most compatible. There's a reason why they're the most used controller in the world. Nobody gives a shit about dualsense or gyro.They're not comfortable and they're not even the most compatible now that every company isn't shitting out halfassed ports with only Xinput. They're the most used because of how fuck-awful the industry has been for the last 20 years.
>>722573495>the ability to aim is unnecessary
>>722573565Not everyone's a shitter.
>>722573621>wanting to use a superior input method instead of handicapping yourself is being a shitter
I guess MS quitting consoles will at least lead to more controller improvements across the board as they are clearly holding shit back.xinput needs to be abolished or completely reworked too.
>>722573089Xbox controllers are going for £40-50 brand new at big retailers. Dualsense is £60-70 comparatively.
>>722573778Sony will probably quit consoles before Microsoft does. They make a killing from peripheral sales for consoles.Source: epic games vs apple case
>>722573840Huh. I guess it's different in my country then. Or I just picked a greedy retailer to check or something. My bad.
>>722573673>superior inputso you use a mouse?
>>722573947by all means I wouldnt mind if both fucked off.
>>722573510If the internal battery dies and you cannot replace it easily then there is no point in having long lasting hall effect or tmc sticks.
>>722560474>No Gyrobloat>No HD Rumblebloat>No Hall effect sticksyou can mod them in>No adaptive triggerseven snoyfags hate them. you know what your other controllers lack, removable batterys and chatpads.
>>722573986Yeah monopolies are always great for the customer
>>722573982For some games, yes. For other games, controller is better due to having 360° analog movement. Some games require both aiming and analog movement, and for those, gyro is great.
>>722563326You don't need to switch items while moving in Dark Souls. Be serious now. All games that use the D-pad have a stop-and-go moment.
>>722574128desu things only got worse after said great competition showed up.
>>722574148you can move the camera by using the right thumb stick, gyro is bloat
>>722574098>the ability to aim is bloat
>>722574082replacing batteries is easy in most pads and something you have to do like every half a decade at most and probably never.accessing insides is most obnoxious on tiny shit like joycons but fuck joycons anyways.
>>722574082You can service almost any controller yourself with just a screwdriver and a pick.Battery mods are the most common mods around.
>>722574268A bad workman blames his tools.
>>722574268you use a mouse to play fps not a controller
Microsoft offers a "remix special edition" controller which costs less than any dualsense and also costs less or the same as a standard xbox controller but it comes with a rechargeable battery pack in the box. There are no caveats from what I can see, with the only difference being the remix version is made from recycled materials so it might be a bit scratchy in the hand but I'm just making an assumption because none of the reviews claim that. As far as I can tell that controller is probably the best bang4buck controller on the market out of the 1st party controllers. There are no downsides.
>>722560474>bluetooth causes massive lag and shits the bed unless used with official xbox dongleBravo, Microsoft.
>>722574231>you can move the character by using the dpad, the thumb stick is bloatYou can't actually aim properly with the right stick, because sticks are inherently bad for precise aiming, just like dpads are inherently bad for moving in a 3D space.
>>722560474>Dualsense and the NS pro controller mog this thing so hard especially with Steam's controller optionslmao>dualsensemade for literal baby handssticks give out in no timebattery gives out in no timesymmetrical stick placement LOOOOL>NS prono analog triggers, so straight up worthlessnumber one in stick drift complaintsXbox makes the best first party controllers, but regardless chink controllers are a better option. Xbox controllers being the standard meant that at least the ergonomics of chinks are good
>>722574181You have to be delusional to think gaming got worse after sony showed up
>>722574395use a mouse then
>>722560474it's because the ceo is a poojeet subhuman who doesn't understand gaming like all the other poojeet subhumans in the worldand he's still bagging his paper while xbox is dyingliteral shameless parasite class
>>722574413The dualsense is bigger than the xbox controllerYou are retarded.
>>722574318See >>722571893
>>722574283>replacing batteries is easy in most padsNot playstation ones. There are several points of failure and shit like the trigger spring can pop out and is so hard to put back. Trust me I've tried it. Just go for a controller which has a long battery life out of the box or a user replaceable battery mechanism. My dualsenses last 3-4 hours at most now whereas my series x controller lasts upwards of 20 hours because I have dedicated batteries for it.
>>722574413don't forget the shit dpad
>>722574283Yea but they aren't easily replaceable on all controllers if you get a replacement in first place. Prime example I can think of is the switch and switch 2 pro controller. The pro is easy to dissemble by removing some screws and accessing the battery is no issue. On the pro 2 you need to pull of the face plate and then take half the thing apart to reach the battery.
>>722574306A worksman who sticks to obsolete, inferior tools when better tools exist won't get any jobs because other worksmen are doing them faster and with better quality.
>>722574318Maybe you do, but many people don't. Arguing against gyro means arguing in favor of over tuned aim assist in multiplayer and slowing games down to work well with controllers.
>>722574428lol
>>722574482>playing csgo with a controller
>>722574440See >>722574482
>>722574609When did I say I do that?
>>722574561That's objectively wrong.
>>722574617see >>722572267
>>722574740See >>722572664
>>722574792only retards would play fps with a controller
>>722574082this, the battery is the first this to go bad in a controller
>>722574938thing*
>>722560474Can someone please explain why Snoys care so much about Gyro? It's better than analogues but if you really cared about shooters you'd use kbm
>>722574829See >>722574617
Halo had basically no aim assist and was a 30 fps game while it was exclusive to console but nobody had any issues with the aiming.
>>722560474>Gyrogimmick>HD Rumblegimmick>adaptive triggersgimmickThat's 3/4. You lose, good day sir.
>>722573778No, a major problem is still normalfag imprinting.If Sony had wanted to, then they could have put more effort into their VR controller and made it the launch controller, but instead they wasted a fuckload of effort on just making the DS4 again, just shittier.As long as there are consoles that care about you using their proprietary slop, controllers will be held back.
Why are PC players so insecure that their main argument against gyro is that controllers are just supposed to be bad so Keyboard and mouse can look better in comparison? It is never an argument on the merits of the actual hardware. It's not like the company is going to pass the few cents of savings per controller on to you, so why try to prevent closing the gap some between controllers and mouse even if you don't care yourself?
>>722575057>>722574792>>722574617>>722574482>see>see>see>see
>>722575056shooters absolutely should be KB+M, but aiming is in a lot more games that just shooters. Gyro gets you close to mouse with the comfort of a controller with analogue movement.
>>722575062>basically no aim assistI've probably played more Halo than you, but you're a retard. Halo has bullet magnetism, and sticky aim.
>>722575207>insecurename 10 games that aren't fps that needs gyro, i'll wait
>>722575387Why not name FPS? Why don't you want controllers work better for them?
>>722575369I'm not talking about halo 5 or infinite.
>>722575507cause you play fps with a mouse retard
>>722575568Right, but how does a controller working better cause problems for you?
>>722575513halo has had bullet magnetism and sticky aim since day one
>>722575627>working betternot with that shitty dpad and stick layout it does not
>>722575117generally speaking all major controllers being kinda close is a good thing. the super experimental controller age was actually not very golod and lead to problems.issue is just that MS is restricting even minor improvements while demanding parity with others who are at least one step ahead.most people still want a pad they hold with both hands and not some weirdo separate dildos but the basic pad design doesnt need to be like a PS1 pad at this point.
>mouse like aim>female like genitals
>>722575062this line of thinking is so dumb. We should reject better methods because the old ones still kind of work, but not really? Better throw away my dishwasher since nobody had any issues washing dishes before they existed.
>>722575634Not really.
>>722575683What does that have to do with gyro? Did you just realize you proved my point and did the exact thing I said insecure PC players do, but still feel the need to get the last word in?
>>722560474Gyro is fucking gay. It was an ass gimmick on PS3 and it's ass now. The adaptive trigger thing is a good point though, I'll concede that
>>722575872No, it literally did. They tweaked it over the years to be more and less severe, but it's always had it.
>>722575959>aiming better is a gimmick
>>722575896you failed to prove why gyro is a necessary on a controller
>>722569423shooting the aliens in majora's mask 3D is basically what sold me on gyro
>Bought one almost 8 years ago now for the games on PC I play on controller>Still works flawless>Actually feels good to hold unlike PS2/3 controllers>Basically no wear and tearI'd rather shoot myself than use the dual shock layout.
>>722575987>aiming betteris there any evidence for this at all?
>>722560474>gyromore like gayro
>>722576075>just move your hands like a poof to get 5% extra precisionNo thanks
>>722575986Not enough for it to be noticeable.
>>722576075My goal was to prove that you don't know why gyro shouldn't be on a controller, which has worked out perfectly.
>>722560474They are literally only held back by patent trolling
>>722576193>xhe thinks it would just be 5%
>>722576279i'm still waiting for you to name 10 games that aren't fps that need gyro
>>722576317um, do you have a peer reviewed study to back that up? no? well checkmate, chud
>>722576389Fortnite?
>>722576487>shooteruse a mouse
anyone else here just doesn't care about the analog placement? i use a bunch of controllers and after like 5m i forget it's there, been playing third person and platformers on my 360/sex/ps2/4/5 controllers and its the same, one thing i must say i really wish more controllers used external batteries
>>722576389I'll give you a list if you can explain why FPS aren't allowed without using your insecurity over keyboard and mouse to justify the restriction.
>>722576530Splatoon 3?
>>722576573mouse
>>722576153Yes. There are virtually no competitive splatoon players who don't use gyro. It should be obvious that aiming with your real hands is going to be faster and more accurate than tilting a stick.
>>722570205>Steam Controller 2They'll make 5 of then then abandon it like they did with the original.
>>722576597Does Splatoon support kb+m? If not you have the reason why they have to settle for less.
>>722576597>competitive splatoon playerscause they are only allowed to use oringal hardware which doesn't support a mouse
>>722576739>>722576747What does mouse have to do with this argument? Fuck off retards
I had an elite 2 and it drifted so I rma'd it and got a replacement. Now after 2 years both bumpers have stopped working and the B button sticks. I still use it with all the fucked buttons remapped to the back paddles but thinking of getting a new controller. I might go full retard and buy another one because it has the best back paddles.
>>722576817cause mouse is better for shooters, which splatoon is
>>722576817>look at this game where the competitive players use controller and gyro>only because mouse input isn't allowed Can you think of literally any other competitive shooter where pros don't use mouse aiming if they're allowed to/have access to? If Splatoon was on PC we all know they'll be using keyboard and mouse for the best and most precise aiming.
>>722576886every elite controller bumper will die within a certain period. they are terrible build quality.
>>722576143I used a DualShock4 controller a couple years ago and it gave me hand cramps almost instantly. The controller also felt chinky and flimsy, cheap plastic and too lightweight for its own good.Clearly it's made for tiny jap hands.
>>722576597is splatoon even a game that requires that much precision or is the gyro just helping with whipping your aim all over the place?
>>722560474Just fix the drift, best controller ever.
>>722576957>>722577002No one is saying mouse isn't the best for aiming. We're talking about controllers.
>>722577164and were asking why you would you play shooters on a controller?
>>722560474I like my cheesy as fuck FH4 edition and there's nothing you can do about it. Gyro and HD rumble is for fags. Trigger rumble is really weak, but it gets the job done for racing games. No hall effect is a fair criticism. When it eventually wears out in just getting an 8bitdo, Switch Pro 2 is overpriced and I'm never buying a Sony controller again because the DS4 was the shittiest controller ever made.
>>722576957Why does that matter?
>>722577275Not everyone wants to play at a desk and keyboards on bed/couch suck balls.Keyboard also sucks donkey dick for plenty of games that feature shooting as a side activity.Controller+Gyro has plenty of use cases, you brain addled retard.
>>722577164The entire point is nobody sane uses a controller for competitive shooters when keyboard and mouse exists, even on consoles nowadays.
>>722577520>Controller+Gyro has plenty of use casesname the 10 games that make use of them
>>722577120It's not precise for a shooter, but aiming is obviously still important.
>>722577589that would*
>>722577640and it would be better in nintendo added mouse support
>>722577705if*
>>722577640so then gyro has not been established as being better for aim, just better for quick camera movement. got it.
>>722577574I was responding to the comment asking if there was evidence gyro is better for aiming on a controller. No one is arguing mouse isn't the best for shooters, fuck off with your irrelevant shitposting
>>722577574Clearly someone is or games would not have controller support and aim assist made specifically for controllers. Why does mouse existing mean that controllers need to be held back?
>>722577804It is WAY better for aiming. Most players make big movements with the sticks, and use gyro to make the finer adjustments with gyro which sticks are garbage at.
>>722577959do you have any evidence for this or
>>722577953No one said controller aiming is being held back. Just questioning if gyro helps aim at sll
>>722575387Any game that involves aiming. Just off the top of my steam library I can findThe 4 Batman Arkham gamesGuardians of the GalaxyExpedition 33Alan WakeControlRDR2The 2 Horizon gamesThat's 11.
>>722562748What about your right hand when using the right analog?
>>722578286>shooters
>>722576153>>722578020The evidence is that gyro translates real life movement 1:1 to in game camera movement just like a mouse, while sticks translate real life movement to in game camera velocity, meaning they're less precise by definition.With gyro, if you want to turn the camera 10° to the left, you just rotate you controller 10° times your sensitivity multiplier. With a stick, you need to move your stick left to start turning the camera at say 100°/second and keep it held for 0.1 seconds.
>>722578215Games wouldn't have aim assist for controllers if analog sticks worked well enough for aiming. Gyro lets you play games well without aim assist. As someone mentioned above, almost all good Splatoon players use gyro because analog stick isn't good enough in a game without aim assist. Gyro is better than analog stick for all of the same reasons that mouse is better than analog stick. Trying to argue against the mechanics of gyro would be arguing against mouse in almost all cases. For example, being able to learn to move the controller a consistent amount to adjust your aim is one of the main advantage of both mouse and gyro. Regardless, it is cheap to add to a controller and the manufacturer isn't going to pass any savings along to you. Rather than proving that gyro is helpful, you should be proving that gyro is harmful beyond just saying that controllers are supposed to be bad.
>>722578826wtf is this schizo shit
>>722576629The reason they abandoned SC1 is because it was tied to the steam machines which were a total failure. Now that they have proton the second gen steam machines will be a success like the deck and won't be abandoned.
>>722578865>Splatoongyrofags always bring up shooters for why thy say gyro is a necessary
>>722579035What is the point of this comment?
>>722578826And if I wanna turn the camera 180 degrees now I'm holding the controller backwards.
>>722579019no it's because of paint issues with the dual touchpads
>>722560474gonna cry?
>>722579263patent*
>>722560474My ancient xboner controller from 2013 still working flawlessly
>>722560474Dualsense and the NS pro don't have hall effect stick either, you disingenuous senile virgin.
>2015>xbone or basedstation, no decent alternatives that aren't total garbage>you'd get laughed at for suggesting anything else (like that shitty logitech controller)>2025>multiple chinese brands dabbing on westoidsit's absurd that something called fucking GAMESIR or something that looks as cheap and ugly as pic related aren't just viable alternatives but are genuinely better on many levels AND cheaper than the supposedly premium 1st party dogshit
>>722579669>no removable battery>no chatpadpass
>>722560474>Gyro>HD Rumble>adaptive triggersIs any of this shit actually supported on PC or are those just PS5 gimmicks?
>>722579746I understand the other things but thinking gyro is a "PS5 gimmick" is a certified /v/irgin moment
Should I buy Dualsense? I'm wary of Sony controllers since literally all of my DS4s developed stick drift at some point
>No useless gimmick every normal person got tired of two gens ago>No vibration (but annoying)>No Hall effect sticks just like any other mainline non-third party non-elite controller>No annoying gimmick that you get tired of and distracted by (as well as being a reason of springs snapping)Wow, I don’t know.
>>722578430What do you define as a shooter? Any game with shooting? Because then like a good 70% of all games ever made would be shooters and your question basically becomes "Name 10 games that would be improved with gyro but you can't name any games with aiming (the main usecase of gyro)." That's about as retarded as "Name 10 games that would be improved with dpads (instead of a single button) but you can't name any games with movement."
>>722579819no, just get a series controller
>>722579669>connection shits out every 10 minutes And no I don't have the same problem with any other controller, it's this piece of shit specifically
>>722560474it is also very cheaply builtif you open it, and you will need to eventually because the rubber pad WILL break, you'll notice there are no connectors anywhere and everything is soldered directly on the board
>>722579825>GYRO IS LE HECKIN GIMMICK!!!Have you faggots ever tried gyro? It makes an incredible difference when it comes to aiming, I cant believe fags pretend stick aiming is perfectly fine and not held up by aim assist
>>722578969What part of that is schizo? Is it too complicated for you? I can dumb it down. Gyro work like mouse, stick not work like mouse. Or slightly less dumbed down: Gyro (and mouse) is basically aiming yourself, and stick is like telling a blind guy where to aim.>>722579146No. You either set your sensitivity high enough or use some acceleration profile so that you can turn 180° with only a few degrees of real life movement or use the stick to turn backwards traditionally or with flick stick.
>>722578969> asks for evidence> gets evidence > WTF IS THIS MATHEMATICAL ALCHEMY SHIT
>>722580629yes and it sucked to use
>>722579819Yes, don't listen to >>722579861Series controllers are shit with sticky buttons, shitty china plastic build quality and less features for the same price
>>722580673How? How do people have a hard time with Gyro? when it's just like a mouse fine, minuscule inputs? Do you have issues aiming on a mouse too?
>>722560474You forgot "uses AA batteries in a year after 2010."
>>722579263>>722579325I've never heard that. I know they had patent issues with the back buttons, but it seems those are solved now because most 3rd party controllers, elite controllers and even the switch 2 pro controller have them now along with the deck. The deck also has dual touchpads and so does the leaked model for the SC2 (which is basically the deck without the screen) so I don't think they're an issue either.
>>722580848better then having the battery sealed in
>>722579819Doesn't really matter as long as you get something with gyro.
>>722581051>gyrobloat
>>722580994Bootlicker willing to accept lower standards.
>>722581101enjoy your controller becoming ewaste in 5-10 years
>>722579819DS4, Dualsense, Xbox controllers, and Switch Pro 1 all use the exact same stick module from the same manufacturer.
>>722580673How did you use it? Most people seem to think it replaces the right stick and you're supposed to wave the controller around like on wii and hate it because they're using it wrong. You're supposed to do your big picture aiming with stick and then use gyro to do the fine tuning. You should also have your sensitivity relatively high so you only ever need to rotate your controller a few degrees.If you give it a genuine shot and still don't like it, fair enough I guess, but you're gonna have a bad time in a decade or so when it becomes the standard and games don't have aim assist anymore.
>>722575703>generally speaking all major controllers being kinda close is a good thing. the super experimental controller age was actually not very good and lead to problems.It can't be worse than the current situation where every major console manufacturer designs the same controller and forces it to be used, which ultimately leads to control schemes being designed only around that controller with no regard for alternates, which in turn leads to shit like mandatory hardcoded button combinations and no controller rebinding on consoles. Every single controller uses some variant of USB or bluetooth to communicate, there is no reason why I shouldn't be able to use a DS4 on an Xbox or whatever outside of consoles being a total shitfest, there is no reason for this insane triple-redundancy, if a game wants to use a specific controller type, then just use that, no one is expecting console controllers to play racing or FPS games adequately either. >issue is just that MS is restricting even minor improvements while demanding parity with others who are at least one step ahead.The issue is that Microsoft forced Xinput, which limits controller use, but that limitation only exists because developers and porters are fucking retarded and can't implement key/button remapping properly.>most people still want a pad they hold with both hands and not some weirdo separate dildos but the basic pad design doesnt need to be like a PS1 pad at this point.Most people want what they are told is desirable to other people, never consider "what people want right now" as an objective criterion, because it's usually incredibly stupid.>>722576153Pseudo-stationary controllers like mice, throttles and flight sticks have more precision than handheld controllers because they let you use more muscle groups when you move them in respect to their reference surface when compared to just what you can accomplish with a small section of one of your fingers.
Yeah. Xbox needs to fix that, then also release a new-xbox that's actually about gaming, by which I mean, it runs every single game every compatible with an xbox on the hardware level, 360 store is brought back, it doesn't die in 7 years, and multiplayer is free for it. They do that I'll buy an xbox again. My one x croaked in 7, my vanilla ones disc drive croaked in I'd guess 5-7. My sister has a one s, and it went through the same thing my one x did before it croaked, it still works, but she's only had it for like 4 years, and it doesn't even get dusty. Planned obsolecence live service boxes are so far removed from what I want out of a console that there's 0 reason I shouldn't just use PC.
>>722581280>You're supposed to do your big picture aiming with stickso then why would i use gyro when i already am using the stick
>>722581153Are you genuinely so retarded you can't open it up and replace the battery? It's braindead easy and I'm pretty sure you only need a screwdriver.
>>722580646>>722580656when people ask for evidence, they are asking for something like results from a tournament in a game that matters, pro players giving feedback, literally any other kind of concrete display of it being better. no one wants your schizo math scribblings.
>>722560474idk what any of those things are, I like the controller because it is comfy and precise.
>>722581101>>722581425>hurr durr what are rechargeable batteries i am so retarded
>>722579819All first party controllers are a scam.
>>722560474The new Xbox console was suppose to have a more up-to-date controversy with all those traits. But I heard that after the Game Pass price increase, the new console is cancelled.
>>722581425just get 4 eneloops and rotate between them
>>722572416>that logitech abominationKINO
>>722581413Because stick sucks for making the small fine tuning adjustments that gyro and mouse excel at. Have you ever tried turning off aim assist and aiming with just your stick? You can't hit shit because stick is fundamentally at its core not suited for aiming.
>>722562748Everyone's hands are different. I get severe hand strain when using an Xbox controller for more than an hour, but I can use a DualSense all day without issue.
>>722581435In that case, Splatoon was already mentioned.
>>722581707see >>722577120
>>722581406>release a new-xbox
>>722581565or you can just buy the rechargeable battery pack
>>722581872why would you buy proprietary shit instead of something that actually has multiple purposes?
>>722581495>>722581565I'd rather take the risk of maybe having to do a 10-minute replacement job once a decade if my battery dies before the rest of the controller dies anyway than having to do a 1-minute replacement job every week and also make sure to keep the rechargables charged. This is all beside the point anyway because there's no reason to ever use a controller wireless. Wired you never have to worry about battery and you get better latency.
>>722566274Ape Escape is shit
>>722581792I know, I'm just saying that would be the one way I'd come back.
>>722562748>ds3>not ds4 or daualsenseThe dualshock 3 and earlier analog stick sony controllers are bad because the handles are too damn small. Duke, 350/One, Saturn 3D pad, and GCN controller are good because of the handles being thick enough in comparison.I wish game controllers were thick. Pic related is good because of its thickness, and would suck if it were as thin as the SNES controller.Earlier Sony controllers, except for digital, feel bad because there isn't enough 3d space real estate for the hands to comfortably grip the controller.
>>722582002>latencysolved issue
>>722581737You do still need to kill players in splatoon. It's not just mindless wallpainting. Splatoon is actually relatively kill heavy. Aside from that, there aren't many devs bold enough to alienate most of their playerbase by removing aim assist and adding gyro, because their normie playerbase will move to a different game with aim assist to avoid having to actually play the game.
>>722565190>body type ring
>>722581471>preciseA joystick is not precise. Gyro is.
>>722581872ye like >>722581963 said, I would never buy proprietary shit if alternatives exist>>722582002having to remember to recharge it after every session + the possibility of being left dry in the middle of a session is way worse>latencyeven if that were an actual factor it's unnoticeable unless, I guess, you decide to play competitive games on a controller, which is insanity
>>722560474I got a pro2 and it lasted nothing. Most expensive and worst controller ever. My rage was limitless.I also couldnt refund it, because it was purchased by a relative on a trip to the usa.
>>722582234Wireless can never be lower latency than wired because due to the low bandwidth, data needs to be compressed and uncompressed at each end, while it can move unimpeded through a cable.
>>722582363>having to remember to recharge it after every session + the possibility of being left dry in the middle of a session is way worseJust keep it plugged in or plug it in if it dies.
>>722582506Bits can move faster through air than being shoved through a copper cable. That's just basic science.
>>722574413>number one in stick drift complaintsThat's the joycons. The pro doesn't have those issues. Nintendo literally created a problem and sold a solution. The pro feels cheap but during a 100h playthrough of Xenoblade I had to charge it once because it's not bloated with friendslop like lights, speakers and a microphone.
>>722582002you can't handle one minute of battery swapping? wtf
>>722560474>>No Gyro>>No HD Rumble>>No Hall effect sticks>>No adaptive triggersusecase?
>>722560848Don't forget the awful battery life and drift issues
I like to play with the controller resting on my lap. How feasible is it to use gyro aiming like that?
>>722582694Yes, but electricity still travels through copper at a large percentage of c, and the bandwidth of air is so low that compression and uncompression is a neccessary step that adds latency for anything except sending insanely low amounts of data. So overall wired is faster.
>>722582782I can handle it, but it adds up. And again, I always use my controllers wired anyway, so it doesn't really matter for me. The way I see it, swappable vs rechargable is just a matter of taste. I'd prefer rechargable if I used controllers wireless, but you do you.
>>722582965Completely feasible. Set your sensitivity high enough and you practically won't even have to move the controller.
>>722582506>another retard who still thinks wireless is worse in 2025
>>722566714I’m a dad gamer and exclusively rely on wireless to indeed not trip up my wife and kids while I’m playing game. My first console was an Atari 2600 and I vividly remember upgrading to windows 3.1 so I could play more games. Eat shit zoom zoom. I have more hours in games than you have had hours alive.
>>7225825062.4Ghz may not be lower, but it's effectively identical to wired.Amusingly Nintendo and Sony consoles have 125-250Hz USB polling but 500-1000Hz Bluetooth, so despite Bluetooth's flaws you do get a better average response time with it on their platforms.
>>722583537what did you get triggered for, retard? Nobody was making fun of you, but I bet you never play 8+ hours in a row so as long as you put your controller back into charging when not using it you'll never have it go dead on you unless it has shit the bed completely, whether a controller's battery lasts 10 or 30 hours should be irrelevant to you. I don't have a wife and kid but I'm almost 30 and even I have only ever time to game 3 hours at a time at the most.Only NEETs and autists want and have time to play video games 10 hours a day, but they most likely can use a cable then since there's nobody around to get annoyed by it
>>722562748>I HAVE TO MOVE MY FINGER A SINGLE INCH AIEEEEEEEE NOOOO OWIE IT'S SO UNCOMFORTABLE IT HURTSjesus you guys are massive pussies, both are fine
>>722565710Tendies aren't people
Even though I have both PS5 and Xbox, I play most of my games on Xbox because the PS5 controller gives me carpal tunnel for some reason. I just finished Death Stranding 2 this week and my left hand is weak and numb now. Never get this with the Xbox controller.
>>722581413Because the stick is pretty shit.For moving a character it is pretty alright, you can move in 360 degrees and make mild alterations to the speed of your character, which is generally good enough for a 3D platformer.When moving a camera you are almost entirely restricted to wild movements or slow, inaccurate panning.This is why the control scheme for sticks with gyro usually has the stick move you in very large increments to control your facing direction, rather than what you are looking at.>>722582965Infeasible, but at that point you would have a better time with something that isn't a handheld controller, similar to a HOTAS or arcade stick. The advantage of using your lap as a stationary surface so that you can use better input methods than a handheld controller should be comparable to a gyro.
>>722560474The controller isn't dying. It's the most popular PC gamepad.
An input device that both doesn't self center and can not be considered in resting position at all inputs is awful to use and always will be. Plus gyro on PC is too finicky and unreliable for all but the most devoted autistics to stand trying to use so you always know these posts are coming from borderline insane people or Nintendo cultists insisting every game play the same as BotW and their pedo /d/ game.
