Johnny's lack of class consciousness feels kinda intentional to me, and part of the tragedy depicted in the game.His disdain towards sex workers reminds me of people who babble about "proletariat/worker unity" all day, will arbitrarily decide certain people aren't working class, because they don't fit "hammer&sickle aesthetics".Some dystopian settings aren't not meant to be "saved/fixed", they are fictional warnings to never go there or a message about "to struggle and try" regardless of the circumstances, because we don't have a clear answer in real life as well.A lot of stories focus on personal salvation/victory for that reason, it doesn't matter if you end war and capitalism for good, you saved people and gave them a chance to live and fight. Cyberpunk isn't about saving the world, it's about saving yourself.
>>722562039Whores don’t get a pass because no one wants them but their own in groups. The fact you have to call them “sex workers” shows your own need to try and sanitize and obfuscate what they do and how they do it. Also most of Johnny’s shit is just an excuse to not deal with his own problems. If everything became magically fixed over night he would still be a cynical narcissist that needs to scream and break shit to try and make himself feel better.
>>722562039Johnny's a retarded hypocritical faggot.
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>>722562039I haven't played this since release but just reinstalled it earlier today. First time around I took the suicide ending and thought it was the funniest thing ever. It was more fitting for my petulant annoying V than anything else they could have written in the "true endings"I just finished up the prologue this time and I'm definitely going to try to engage with the writing more. I think the game is a lot sadder than I thought the first time around, or maybe I disproportionately remember the zany shit more than the larger themes. IdkBut Silverhamd seems like a character who's own self hatred is what outwardly manifests as his morals. He is an embodiment of everything he seems to hate. He just hates the world. And I can't blame him, it seems awful. But yeah I agree with you about self salvation. The title doesn't drop until you literally die and are reborn
>>722562039I think if you want to know what "cyberpunk is about," you probably shouldn't look to the hyperreality postmodern murder simulator for unbiased answers.
The point is Johnny is a narcissist who isn't even particularly effective at doing what he preaches, he barely left a dent on Arasaka and Yorinobu arguably did far more damage (assuming you didn't go for the Devil ending)His quests are literally just him getting upset that what he did, didn't actually matter in the end because Arasaka is still alive, the legacy of his band is some old nerds obsessed over merch, most of his friends hated him and he was buried in an unmarked grave He's more of a deconstruction of what a "punk rocker" is, more than anything. Someone who is angry and tries to play rebel and preaches about sticking it to the man but his rebellion means little in the grand scheme of things and his followers aren't actually revolutionaries, they're just in it for the aesthetic. Plus acting like a stereotypical punk rocker in real life will just piss everyone off and make the people you are close to drift away from you. This all probably feeds into the idea of cyberpunk being about "saving yourself" because in the end, realistically speaking there is little you or most individuals can actually do against the system, by yourselves. It's why Johnny's quest is about him realizing his mistakes and trying to do better, and why V's quest isn't about getting rid of Arasaka it's literally just trying to save himself from getting overwritten. In this fucked up world, you might as well try to keep and salvage whatever humanity you have left.
>>722562039>sex workersTranny thread lol
>>722563354>Johnny is a narcissist who isn't even particularly effective at doing what he preacheswell put. He can act high and mighty and spend the entire time talking about how fucked up these people are and how they deserve to be destroyed, but he's just a retard with a gun and a guitar. he can't change the world, he can't even change the city he lives in. the whole setting is sterile and uncaring, and while that is his direct motivation, I think his ineffectiveness is part of the larger point being made
>>722562918>If everything became magically fixed over night he would still be a cynical narcissist that needs to scream and break shit to try and make himself feel better.The world would be a bit better though. Yes, I know many of you local chuddies hate that in theory.
reddit thread link, sisters?
>>722563354>In this fucked up world, you might as well try to keep and salvage whatever humanity you have left.Tbh true. But in our real world, this would mean abandoing your chud ways.
>>722562039Cyberpunk 2077 the goysloppiest goyslop that ever goyslopped
>>722563354On the other hand, the power fantasy ending is one of the best there is though>In the Don't Fear The Reaper ending, you literally inherit Jhonny's theme song and become the legend he wished he washttps://youtu.be/bhF3O1xCBW4?si=d31CCjNHlVRLuFHp
>>722564486My chud ways will see me continue to manipulate those around me under the premise it is the natural way to stand out and get to the next raise. So much as repeating back what someone just said with an added inquiry is a 0 effort way to milk them.
>>722562039>leftist extremist only cares about his values insofar as how they benefit him specificallyI fail to see where the flaw I the writing is. Johnny reads like your bog standard Brocialist. You meet 100 of people who will claim to hold his politics in a day, the difference is Johnny actually armed up and attacked his enemies, a Brocialist would fucking never.
>>722564943I agree. It feels like everyone is trashing Johnny because Arasaka's still alive? Well at least he tried
>>722562039Johnny Silverhand is just Hobbes tiger without moral restraint. He is the embodiment of a post-political, late-stage capitalist narcissism that reeks of moral ambiguity. "Fight the man, but work for a living," "eat the rich, but gluttons are fuckin' pigs." His entire solution to an anti-corporate state is to blow it up, leaving only the artists and the poets to shave off the scraps of the economy.
what's the point of licensing something and then changing everything about it. could've just made an original IP.
Because you're drawing an arbitrary line and then when two things on the same side of that line don't really fit together, you think there must be an error because according to the line you've drawn these two things should mesh. Alright, so a working class hardworking builder doesn't have anything in common with a rich glutton, and he's conscious of that. What is your logical road from that to having anything in common with someone who makes a living on their back? That neither have as much money as the rich glutton? That's a hell of a straw to grasp.All things that represent society's underbelly from thieves to other criminals to junkies have a much clearer enemy relationship with the working class, because the rich life comfortably out of the reach of that enemy. That rot encroaches on the honest working man who has to live near it. My solidarity does not include them.
>>722562039>is disdain towards sex workers reminds me of people who babble about "proletariat/worker unity" all day, will arbitrarily decide certain people aren't working classWhores don't contribute to production THOUGHEVERBEIT.
>>722568224the casual console audience.
>>722562039I don't know your personal politics (it sounds like you're a socialist/communist) but:>Cyberpunk isn't about saving the world, it's about saving yourself.That's really any society, even the communist utopian ones. Humans inability to comprehend at full scale the many issues and problems in the universe, let alone society, is what makes them bad social engineers at mass scale. So Johnny's proclivity against sex workers isn't because he's ignorant, but because inately he knows that a society that is in open support of prostitution is a path towards social decay. Sex work might be nice for lonely people to have "something" to release tensions and stress during times of decay, but a structured society for people to find mates that they can have loyal/dedicated/communal bond, that you can build a family out of is a healthier one. Sex work is after all, is emblamatic of the monetary relationship and transaction between people. It's perfectly find for an accident, or crime, against the sex worker to be treated as a misfortune of damaged goods rather than the injury or loss of a human life.
>>722562039On the contrary, there is a very old and macho strain of socialism (the original kind) which was born out of uneducated men slaving in factories and mines who just wanted a fair share of the wealth. All the slut rights shit got grafted on after that. Trade unionism, in its original form, meant beating a pay rise out of your boss and then going home and beating the stupid out of your wife.The working poor are far more conservative than the actual conservative elite. Even Napoleon knew this.
