>>722563102
best plot twist ever
completely ruined

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Hello.

>>722563102
Ah, the time when I actually enjoyed open world RPGs. Then I grew up.

>>722563102
Christ it was so retarded.
The mystery was fine until they revealed these assholes. And the reveal was stupid on its own but everything else from their design, dialogue and even line delivery was so embarrassing. It's like everyone who was decent at all that left at that point and this was just some college frat idiots thinking this was a cool and epic twist.
And at this point the series is an absolute mess, glad I stopped playing after Black Flag.

>>722563598
what's up man?

>>722564745
>this was just some college frat idiots thinking this was a cool and epic twist.
Lol the college frat idiots got your dream job and are happily married and you're seething every day because of it.

>>722563102
Man, I cannot for the life of me get Assassin's Creed 2 controls to work on Steam Deck. Very annoying.

I'm playing Mirage atm. It's quite good.

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Fuck you want I'm playin Mario Kart nigga

>>722568389
I think I'll pick up a few Assassin's Creed in the Steam sale.

>>722563102
It's been like 13 years since I played this game but how did they know his name? Wasn't he supposed to be just a 'spectator'of sorts in the gene memory machine

>>722563102
Based on the non-animus stuff I was waiting for the twist that you were playing as one of desmonds decendants the whole time

>>722569041
Yea that's the whole point, they were showing off their abilities to see through time and space. The later games address this by teasing that the entire world is inside an Isu animus simulation, that reality itself is malleable through their technology

>>722563102
Desumondo

>>722563102
>game with an ancient race of ancient alien supergods that lives on a machine
>hated for being historically inaccurate and making you play as a black man in japan

>>722563102
Stopped caring about this series right after they killed Desmond

>>722569120
Therefore taking the diagetic interface "press any button" stuff to the logical conclusion of being some prick in AD4000 playing through 21st century history for whatever reason. Gods I'm clever.

>>722569134
Huh that's pretty lame

>>722569198
>game with an ancient race of ancient alien supergods that lives on a machine
This is far more realistic than a black man being a samurai in 1500s Japan.

>>722569198
>alien
They weren't aliens.
>>722569198
>hated for being historically inaccurate and making you play as a black man in japan
You don't really understand the rules of "low fantasy" do you?
I mean sure yea, let's just do Harry Potter and everything is the same except everyone is a cyclops, oh is that not consistent with the setting? Too bad, because we introduced wands and shit now nothing needs to make sense or have any sort of established rules.

>>722569134
That's not true though

>>722569265
Yea the newer Isu lore is pretty shite.
They tried to replace Desmond with some l lesbian brown chick but it didn't take and Ubisoft abandoned her storyline

>>722569389
It is true, go play Origins and Odyssey again and listen closely to what the Isu recording say. Especially the bits from Alethia, it's actually too blatant. They should have left it as a hint in Origins but they wanted to do more hand holding.

>>722569508
You're right in that their technology can become reality in our world, but not that our world is their simulation

>>722563102
> - "Desmond, you are the chosen one!"
> -- "Your hat makes you look like a penis."
> -"..."
> [Desmond later died pointlessly]

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>>722569041
Isu technology is just highly advanced technology. It is the equivalent of us showing a caveman a smartphone. It's not magic, it's not space wizardry, it's just math and science we currently don't have access to yet.

Minerva specifically was part of a group with Jupiter and Juno who were tasked with trying to figure out how to either keep the Isu alive after the solar flare hit, stop the solar flare, or at the very least keep the Isu bloodline surviving. Minerva herself would use their advanced computers to essentially guesstimate when someone would be born, what likely actions they would take, and how they could use them for their goals like stopping future solar flares. Either she or Juno tell this to Desmond in 3, unless I'm remembering wrong and this was during the speech in one of the Ezio games.
Valhalla even has Odin speak to Minerva while she's using a computer to leave information for someone (Implied to be Desmond, but could also be Bayek, Ezio, or Layla), picture related.

>>722569134
>The later games address this by teasing that the entire world is inside an Isu animus simulation, that reality itself is malleable through their technology
We don't know that it's a simulation, that was just Layla speculating it was and started e-mailing people about that being a possibility for their reality. The only thing they implied in Origins was that you might be able to mess around with reality/fate which is what Desmond did and Layla had to fix because of the butterfly effect that caused side effects to Desmond saving the world leading to a secondary solar flare coming soon.

>>722569669
> [Desmond later died pointlessly]
He doesn't die 'pointlessly', but I get what you are trying to say.

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>>722563102
Asscreed 1 is noticeably kind of meh. 2 and Brotherhood are nothing but good fun. 9/10s minimum. If you don't like them you either have bad taste or are terminally brown. It's a shame how the series killed itself. Desmond should have stayed alive or at least had a crushing victory over Abstergo. 4 was the last good AC game and it was more of a pirate game than an AC game, everything after it is trash essentially. At least the modern day parts of 4 were weirdly /comfy/ because you as the player knew when you heard Shaun or Rebecca that it was a kind of voyeuristic fun.

>>722569739
>at the very least keep the Isu bloodline surviving
Those are the "sages" right? Like the blood hybrid descendants of the Isu.
Something I don't get is that Desmond and Alexios/Kassandra are confirmed "Sages" but unlike Basim and Eivor they don't become possessed by their previous ISU personality. What gives?
I remember that Desmond was given a choice to get Anuksunamun'd but said no. And yet Basim didn't get a choice lol

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>>722569802
True

>>722568389
For AC1 and 2 you need a mod for that, look up EaglePatch.
Its just dropping a few files on the game's directory.

>some kid named Basim living in Baghdad watches Loki™ on Disney Plus©
>goes on /tv/ and posts about "downloading personality" and how Loki is "literally me"
This is why Drive dorks actually believe

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>>722569958
So far I've tried

>Connect via protontricks
>Connect via nonsteamlaunchers
>Eaglepatch
>x360a xinput
Nothing is working. I am suffering.

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>>722569739
Moose, what's your AC tier list? Is Ragnarok worth it? Is Valahlla worth it? I find Viking shit cringe, but I like teh idea of the English countryside and Skye.

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>>722569930
>Those are the "sages" right?
They tried a bunch of things, it's not just the Sages.
>Aita did the "Sage" thing so he keeps getting reincarnated in random humans at complete random but it's just him. Multiple Sages can exist since John Standish and Elijah both exist at the same time.
>Juno followed in Aita's footsteps but she basically became radio waves or something that were contained until Desmond sacrificed himself.
>Odin's group essentially did the same as Aita with them uploading their DNA into human embryos which would eventually all get activated thousands of years later once those humans survived to bring the Isu back again with essentially clones of the ones who uploaded their DNA.
>Something I don't get is that Desmond and Alexios/Kassandra are confirmed "Sages" but unlike Basim and Eivor they don't become possessed by their previous ISU personality. What gives?
Desmond isn't a Sage, nor is Kassandra/Alexios. Desmond just has higher-than-average Isu blood in him which is why he can use the Eagle Vision, Kassandra and Alexios were direct descendants of Pythagoras so they were borderline pureblood Isu.
Desmond, Kassandra, and Alexios are also not the Nordic Isu so they wouldn't have personalities to take over them to begin with.
>I remember that Desmond was given a choice to get Anuksunamun'd but said no.
He wasn't.
>And yet Basim didn't get a choice lol
He did, that's literally what happens in the ending of Mirage. He confronts the Jinni, realizes it was just Loki trying to get him to realize reality, accepts Loki, and they merge. He even asks Loki if he'll be alone when it happens.

>>722570327
>but I like teh idea of the English countryside and Skye.
It's very much about the English countryside, yea the Viking shit is cringe but visiting Glastonbury is worth it.

>>722569802
Correct.

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>>722570327
>what's your AC tier list?
Shadows is currently B-tier for me but I have not started the story yet which may influence how I feel about it but I doubt it'll change much unless it's a Rogue-tier disaster of a story. I'm 80 hours in and still running around as Naoe without having Yasuke unlocked or the hideout unlocked. I essentially only have the level 35 areas left now to clear before all the quests and stuff open up once I progress the story.
>Is Ragnarok worth it?
Dear lord no. It's just more Asgardian Isu stuff which was already boring in the main story. The whole story is just Odin wandering around killing people who took his son and then raging before their plan to stop the solar flare failed (Ragnarok) so they upload their DNA into the embryos and go die to it. The gameplay is basically just you spamming freeze because it's so broken, every single piece of equipment you get is worse than the previous DLC equips or patch equips, and you have to upgrade everything to Divine because that's what the DLC wants you to do which means hunting down roaming bands of Jotnar that carry ingots to do so. The coliseum arena thing is also not balanced for Draugr difficulty or whatever the highest difficulty was called and you have to lower it or some of the requirements are completely impossible to achieve/you just die instantly.
>Is Valahlla worth it?
For like $30 it's fine but it's not great. Better than Odyssey but that's not saying much.
>The story is terrible across the board and Eivor is one of the worst MCs in the series.
>Norway is an okay map, England is solid, North America is okay, Ireland is great, Paris is great, the Isu maps are alright.
>Combat is severely unbalanced and you are borderline unkillable with completely broken weapons and upgrades.
>It is the worst game to 100% in the series and is a minimum of 350-500 hours thanks to River Raids and just how much stuff they did post-launch.

>>722570867
Well, I guess Valhalla is a skip. How come you didn't like Rogue? Or Syndicate?

Actually, how come Origins is so high up, but Odyssey is so low down?

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>The original writer of the franchise disagreed with Ubisoft trying to turn it into yearly franchise
>Fired him and cut Desmond's story short
>Put your own yesman/woman/nonbinary in place
>Tasked them to retcon the whole "need to be descendant to view DNA memory" thing (a core premise to the franchise)
>So now a junkie fent addict behind your local KFC can see the memory of legendary historical figure if there's some dried cum of that figure in the new Animus
>All that just to justify protagonist not reproducing because le gay

>>722568845
fuck you I laughed

>>722570867
Good tier list but I'd personally put Odyssey on B or at least C. The game setting itself is really good but the Destiny-like equipment stuff and absolute mess of a storyline really brings it down

>>722571054
>How come you didn't like Rogue?
The story is abysmally bad, the characters are terrible, the reason you are a Templar is horrendously done, it primarily just reuses major areas from AC3, and the ship combat is worse even if the Legendary ship battles are the best. I mainly only like it for the new islands, the setting, and how cool Shay looks.
>Or Syndicate?
Horrendous story, horrendous characters, probably the worst combat in the series, Batclaw should never have happened, and it's a downgrade from Unity in basically every way. The map is great, Jack the Ripper is pretty much the best DLC in the series outside of Curse of the Pharaohs, carriages are fun, pre-Greenie Evie is hot, and Lydia is cool, but that's about it.
>Actually, how come Origins is so high up, but Odyssey is so low down?
Because Origins is a good game and Odyssey isn't an Assassin's Creed game.
Origins has a fantastic map with tons of variety, Bayek is a great MC who brings a nice insight into his actions due to his religion and his constant battles with going to the Duat from it even if he's a doormat to Aya, the RPG mechanics are completely negligible and can be effectively ignored, it has solid fights, and it's overall just fun.
Odyssey has a horrendously designed map with so much copy pasted content it's insulting, you can't be a jack-of-all-trades like in literally every other AC game without a very specific crit build, if you don't use said build then 2/3 of your playstyles are unusable at any given time due to not focusing on their damage, it introduced dialogue choices which was idiotic and directly contradictory to what the Animus does, the story is terrible, The Eagle Bearer is so poorly written they directly contradict their own beliefs multiple times throughout the game including in Modern Day, the mercenary system is garbage, the game is insanely grindy, and so on.

I truly despise Odyssey.

>>722571396
Damn, I find that really surprising.

What did you think of AC3 in the end?

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>>722572737
I've replayed it like three times to 100% so I don't exactly dislike it, but the map isn't that great and Connor's a pretty bad MC outside of the Homestead. I think it's alright though.

>>722563102
TRON looking bitch.

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>>722563787
>Assassin's Creed II
>RPG

>>722569198
Optional heated seating

>>722569198
It's easier to relate to ancient alien gods than it is to black people.

>>722572980
Is AC your favourite series?

>>722563102
It's funny how people say they hate this aspect of AC but then in the same breath state that Ezio was their favorite character. His whole character arc across 2, Brotherhood, and Revelations is tied at the hip to it.

>>722573496
well we liked ezio being a passionate florentine in renaissance italy killing historical figures and we didnt need to know about space aliens to enjoy his character
the same goes for every other ass creed character lol. the modern day plot is optional to follow

>>722573496
I imagine they don't like the tone shift of science fantasy butting into their historical religious narrative or feel cheated that Ezio's entire life amounted to just being a messenger instead of a nebulous idea of "something better."
If you really like a character, it's natural to want the best for them. Personally, I think they missed the point not just of Ezio but the entire series up to that point, though I can at least sympathize with their perspective.

I liked discount Dan Brown current times plotline in the first 3 ass creed games

Hey wasa-matta-you, Altair?

>>722573718
>we didnt need to know about space aliens to enjoy his character
You actually did, as it's the cornerstone of Ezio's character
>>722573838
>the tone shift of science fantasy butting into their historical religious narrative
There was no tone shift. They'd have had to completely skipped over AC1 to think that. It's a testament to the average AC player somehow loving the shit out of the games but surgically forgetting all the most important bits.

>>722573379
It's one of, but not my absolute favorite. I just really dig it as a concept and from the historical tourism side of things. Modern Day is Kingdom Hearts levels of absurdity and I really enjoy it too. Haven't read all the comics (Read the Clay backstory one and bits and pieces of The Fall and the Juno one) but I do enjoy the lore overall. It's so intricate and interesting to delve into, particularly Modern Day's shenanigans.

Genuinely hope Jade comes out soon so we finally get to play it and Hexe isn't a "THE POWER OF ONE THE POWER OF TWO THE POWER OF MANY"-tier disaster.

>>722570867
>Unity that high
Why? Besides Paris that game has nothing going for it

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>>722563102
Videogames peaked here

>>722574345
>Story is solid even if Arno is weak.
>Paris is easily one of their best maps in terms of design and parkourability.
>The size of the civilian groups makes social stealth the best it's ever been.
>Parkour is a massive improvement in user control compared to many of the previous games even if back and side ejects were toned down.
>Heists are very well designed.
>In general the assassinations are all well designed even if Syndicate was way better at these.
>Murder Mysteries are fantastic.
>Combat was finally overhauled and isn't just a counter-kill fest.
>Groups are actually dangerous with you being found in a castle or something outright saying you're gonna die before swarming you with enemies.
It's a strong game across the board barring Arno.

>>722564745
...you do know Those Who Came Before were teased as early as AC1, right?

>>722569134
>>722569739
>retards using nu-AC lore to discuss classic Désilets stories
Burn in hell, every game after 3/4 was a mistake, the First Civ should've never been given a name. Fucking (((Isu))), fucking retarded

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>>722569802
1 is better than 2 though. It's the only game in the franchise that remembered to be about actual fucking assassinations

>The simplified, ubiquitous headscarf often referred to as a "hijab" today is actually a more modern development, tracing its popularization back to the 1970s. Historical evidence suggests that veiling in the medieval era was much more nuanced and varied.
Huh, neat. Thanks Mirage.

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>>722574553
>using nu-AC lore to discuss classic Désilets stories
Minerva guessing the future to a high percentage of success is literally established in the Ezio games. Revelations outright has Jupiter say the calculations were her domain.

>>722574547
>>Parkour is a massive improvement in user control compared to many of the previous games even if back and side ejects were toned down.
I feel like the movement in Unity onwards is way too magnetic.

>>722574870
So use those examples. The Origins shit about "dude le Animus inside an Animus" written by a literal who wannabe-punk writer forcibly replacing McDevitt due to nepotism is retarded. Syndicate effectively retconning their name to Isu is retarded. ""Modern lore"" is retarded.

>>722574547
>Story is solid even if Arno is weak.
Arno is literally the driving point of the story, and he's a non-character, so that doesn't make any sense.
>Paris is easily one of their best maps in terms of design and parkourability.
Half right, Paris is great, but the map is filled with so much needless clutter, like random chest on rooftops, that it gets in the way of parkour.
>The size of the civilian groups makes social stealth the best it's ever been.
Half right, the size is cool, but the complete removal of the faction system sucks
>Parkour is a massive improvement in user control compared to many of the previous games even if back and side ejects were toned down.
This is objectively wrong and you literally contradicted yourself in the same sentence. User control in Unity is far less than any of the previous games. Getting contextual moves to work is a fucking game, Arno is the most inconsistent Assassin in the series, catch ledge was removed, parkour up and parkour down are inconsistent as shit, vaults and other mantle moves sometimes end with Arno stumbling and the basic hop between points look like ass now.
>Heists are very well designed.
What are heists? I assume this is co-op or something?
>In general the assassinations are all well designed even if Syndicate was way better at these.
Again, half right. The overall level design is good, but most of them are still linear as hell.
>Murder Mysteries are fantastic.
True
>Combat was finally overhauled and isn't just a counter-kill fest.
Wrong. The combat is infinitely more boring because of the pseudo-RPG level system, and since there is no level requirements, you can buy a powerful weapon early and just one shot enemies. Not to mention that the animations and flow of combat look significantly worse, the weapon variety is ass, the amount of finishers are pathetic, and smoke bombs are the most busted they've ever been.
>Groups are actually dangerous
Smoke bombs invalidate all groups.

>>722575034
>So use those examples
Just because you choose to ignore the modern lore does not mean they're not something to bring up. They are part of the story whether you like it or not, and I literally did say this in the very post you quoted complaining about this. The only modern example there is showing off her at her computer.

>>722569198
Congratulations, you've just discovered the concept of verisimilitude. Supernatural/science fiction elements work within historical fantasy far better than blatantly nonsensical historical inaccuracies that even laymen would question.

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>>722574553
Agreed. Being called those who came before or precursors or first civilization was cool and mysterious. The second they were "Marvelized" by being called Isu and being treated like regular people like you or me especially with Odyssey, they lost all appeal. I just cannot believe that the way they were framed in Desmond's games and the way they're shown to be in the newer ones are one and the same

>>722575197
>Just because you choose to ignore the modern lore does not mean they're not something to bring up
Actually it does, because I'm the main character of real life. Sorry Moose, you're an NPC programmed to always spout the same things and post the same pics in the same Ass Creed and Yakuza threads. I don't make the rules. Isu sucks.

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I have hated the alien bullshit in Ass Creed since 2007

Please fucking reboot the series and axe all of it
History doesn't need aliens and capeshit to make it interesting

>>722575557
They're not aliens, they explicitly say they're not extraterrestrial in origin.

>>722575146
>so that doesn't make any sense.
The story is good from the direction of the "Unity" aspect and how the Assassins and Templars are both trying to find unity while being screwed over from within by Germaine and Bellec. The story is bad from the perspective of Arno's magical memory sucking Hidden Blade and everyone just believing him on an honor system when multiple Assassins have died.
>but the map is filled with so much needless clutter, like random chest on rooftops, that it gets in the way of parkour.
Nearly all chests are inside buildings or on balconies so I never found this an issue.
>but the complete removal of the faction system sucks
Yeah, I agree, but the amount of options you have to get away, blend in, or assassinate people makes up for it I'd say. You don't really need prostitutes when you can just walk in there through the crowd to accomplish the same thing.
>User control in Unity is far less than any of the previous games
I disagree. Compared to the older games you can guarantee if you want to go up or down now, you are constantly able to quickly descend or vault over stuff without issue, and the only main issue with it is the window entries. It feels much more smooth to run through crowds into a parkour up a building into jaunting over some rooftops back down to the ground and vaulting through a house's window.
>What are heists?
Might have gotten the name wrong, the thing where you have a stealth mission to rob an area. They're not co-op missions but can be done in co-op.
>but most of them are still linear as hell.
Sure, but compared to the older games we have way more options in how we actually want to approach them even if the actual optional options are linear paths to an assassination or opening.
>smoke bombs are the most busted they've ever been.
Not denying that, but spamming them means constantly having to spend the minute in loading screens restocking them since Assassin's Cache only recovers 1 and 1 is only good for one enemy.

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>>722575557
>I've had bad taste for 18 years and counting
wew lad

>>722575557
>aliens and capeshit
What fucking capeshit, dumbass?

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>>722575829
>What fucking capeshit, dumbass?

>>722574553
>...you do know Those Who Came Before were teased as early as AC1, right?
I'm not talking about the concept. I know that the early race and all that were teased, I did say that the mystery about them was interesting in AC1 and 2 and whatever. It's the execution that's terrible.

>>722569198
yasuke shouldn't have been the main character. have him be an assassin, hell even a samurai, who cares, we have like a single paragraph about him that's vague as fuck so whatever it's historical fiction
but having a black faggot with rap music as a protagonist when AC never did historical figures as protagonists in mainline? that's where the forced comes. and also pretend it was historicaly accurate, when they could've owned it and just say "it's historical fiction"

>>722575926
That's capeshit to you, using an OP weapon in one level in one game?

>>722575557
That shit was literally the only thing that made AC interesting

>>722576013
>yasuke shouldn't have been the main character.
Yasuke should have been an ally of the Assassins who came there to learn about the Sword of Eden after Taka sent word about it or something that passed on information to Taka and Naoe. Taka should have been the samurai side, Naoe would be the shinobi side, it would stay how it is right now with Yasuke and Naoe except Taka would be Yasuke and Yasuke would be a side character instead.

Seriously, they had Memories, I don't know why they didn't work from that as a basis.

>>722575650
Didn't they establish them as being the original Earthlings as early as the Ezio games? I could have sworn 2 or Brotherhood had something about that.

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We didn't know how good we had it. I miss when AC used the modern day and the Animus simulation to add creepy vibes to the whole thing and reinforce the dystopian present Desmond was meant to be living in instead of "oh it's just the real life modern day, I guess".

I dunno, I really like the adam and eve puzzle that would slowly unlock as you found things. And then the reveal at the end, it had a really eerie and surreal feeling about it. Definitely a lot more soul than anything released in the last 15 years.

>>722576197
>Didn't they establish them as being the original Earthlings as early as the Ezio games?
Yes, they were never aliens.

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>Zoomers ITT defending the fucking aliens
Christ I really am getting old

>>722576513
Yes because as we all know zoomers care so much about the first fucking Assassin's Creed game. You were wrong 15 years ago and you're wrong now.

>>722576607
zoomers are 29 yo

>>722576513
>whole franchise is built around the idea of not believing your lying eyes and questioning the truth
>gets asspained that it isn't just historical fiction played straight
>blames the franchise and not his lying eyes
[lowers volume]

>>722575670
>The story is good from the direction of the "Unity" aspect
The "Unity" aspect is literally about Arno and Elise, and Elise is a bitch. The other characters are so shallow and forgettable that I can't even remember their names.
>Nearly all chests are inside buildings or on balconies so I never found this an issue.
No, not chests you loot, just static chest props sitting on some rooftops.
>but the amount of options you have to get away, blend in, or assassinate people makes up for it I'd say
Disagree. They removed all controllable aspects of social stealth besides the coin throw. So you are always at the whim of crowd with no way to move them.
>Compared to the older games you can guarantee if you want to go up or down now, you are constantly able to quickly descend or vault over stuff without issue, and the only main issue with it is the window entries.
The only thing that's better is parkour down, but even then that's a gamble because sometimes it throws you to the ground when you only wanted to go down a few stories. No, it does not feel smoother to run through a crowd, because they got rid of manual shove, so you have to rely on the game to actually shove NPCs, and half the time Arno will just run into them for 0.5secs before he actually shoves them. Unity removed a ton of things players used to have manual control over and automated them to rely on context. So I have no idea what gave you the impression that Unity improved player control in the slightest.
>Might have gotten the name wrong, the thing where you have a stealth mission to rob an area
Yeah, no clue. Are you talking about those generic cabaret missions? Or maybe blackboxes?
>we have way more options in how we actually want to approach them
Not really. We only got more options on how to approach the same hallway
>Smoke bombs
You can buy them in bulk from shops and one smoke bomb can allow you to flawlessly kill an entire group.

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>>722576513
People here have always liked the Isu content even as far back as 1's release when it was just the Apple and minor teases about them. I literally only got into the series and spent the $60 for AC1 at my local store because of the positive threads here at launch, the discussion about who could be a Templar or Assassin in history, what Clay's schizo writings >>722575709 meant, etc.
"The Truth" was something everyone loved when AC2 came out and picture related was talked about nonstop everywhere back then positively.

The people who bitch about the Isu, Modern Day, and being taken out of the ancestor have always been the minority except during Black Flag. Black Flag pulling you out was a common complaint across the board and rightfully so. Everywhere else they've been a minority and Layla's entire existence proves that because she only exists due to how much people wanted something going on in Modern Day. A major complaint about Shadows is that they have no focus on Modern Day or the Isu making a lot of the conflict feel less meaningful.

>>722577110
>Layla
I'm glad Basim/Loki got rid of her.

Barakka Allah

>>722563787
ac2 is an action adventure game

>>722576960
>The "Unity" aspect is literally about Arno and Elise
That's one side of it. The other is Mirabeau and de la Serre. You even have the German Rite's guy come over to try and mend fences when both of them get assassinated with Germaine and Bellec being the main issue to everything actually unifying.
>just static chest props sitting on some rooftops.
Never had a problem personally, my issue was more on the cylindrical chimney things you could hop on.
>So you are always at the whim of crowd with no way to move them.
That's why there's like ten times as many NPCs: so you don't have to finagle them. I never really felt wanting for the coin or factions personally.
>No, it does not feel smoother to run through a crowd
I never said it was, I'm strictly talking about the parkour.
>So I have no idea what gave you the impression that Unity improved player control in the slightest.
I personally feel the parkour feels much more fluid in general movement compared to the other games when trying to actually go up or down something and do something quickly. You had more control in the older games with back and side ejects, ledge catches, manual jumps, etc, but that came with it feeling stiffer and more rigid to do things. Sure, once you got used to the old system it was fast, but Unity onward make doing things like climbing very specific parts of buildings quick and snappy. It introduced quick clambers and grabs, it introduced those overhang jumps, it introduced that quick stepping up stuff instead of needing to leap to each individual object slowly.
>Are you talking about those generic cabaret missions? Or maybe blackboxes?
I Googled it, they're literally called heists. You go to an area, it has objects you need to steal, and then you get out.
>can allow you to flawlessly kill an entire group.
Shops are not everywhere, are slow, and tedious. One smoke bomb also only lets you kill a single hat asshole or lower tier mooks, but I agree it's super broken.

>>722577110
>Who could be Assassin or Templar in history
Are there many historical templars? I thought all the good guys were assassins

>>722577772
https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/History_of_the_Templars

Y'know, I never got the costume. Why would they dress so they can be recognized?

When will they make the parkour good again?
nuAC games still have worse parkour than AC1 and they have had 8 years minimum to improve it but it's still bad.

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>>722577761
>That's one side of it. The other is Mirabeau and de la Serre
I'll take your word for it then, Unity's story is so boring that I can't remember anything besides the hot air balloon chase.
>my issue was more on the cylindrical chimney things you could hop on.
Yeah, they part of the same issue as the chests. Small, useless things you never want to hop on, but the game loves to dot them around the place.
>That's why there's like ten times as many NPCs: so you don't have to finagle them.
And that right there is a major problem with Unity's gameplay. Always trying to do things itself instead of giving more control and option to the player.
>I personally feel the parkour feels much more fluid in general movement compared to the other games
Your talking about the animations then, if so I agree with you. Unity has the best parkour animations in the series, but it traded that for responsiveness, control and predictability.
>It introduced quick clambers and grabs, it introduced those overhang jumps
Wut? What exactly is different about Unity's clamber, it works the same as in AC3/4/R and what grabs? It got rid of catch ledge. No clue what you mean by overhang jump.
>it introduced that quick stepping up stuff instead of needing to leap to each individual object slowly.
Again, more automation, less player control.
>You go to an area, it has objects you need to steal, and then you get out.
Just generic side content then? That's probably why I don't remember it.
>Shops are not everywhere, are slow, and tedious. One smoke bomb also only lets you kill a single hat asshole or lower tier mooks
Huh? Shops are everywhere, smoke bombs can bought in bulk, you can throw one smoke into a group and assassinate them all with ease. Hell, you don't even need to use them for escapes, because enemies cannot parkour and they removed all ladders to rooftops in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hV0ParlCJDA

>>722578348
The outfit was always different, the only thing that really stayed between each time period and region was the hooked hood and even that's fairly subtle if you're not paying attention. The thing that actually gave Assassins away was the missing finger.

>>722578976
>Always trying to do things itself instead of giving more control and option to the player.
I won't deny that it's a negative, same with every game going forward. Mirage and Shadows are at least steps in the right direction by bringing back side and back ejects along with various social stealth features in Mirage specifically.
>Wut? What exactly is different about Unity's clamber, it works the same as in AC3/4/R and what grabs? It got rid of catch ledge.
I'm talking about how you run up to objects, how you leap onto objects, you how you move from something like ground level to a slightly higher incline, etc. It's all done smoother and faster with the magnetism compared to the older games where you're "stuck" more to stuff.
>No clue what you mean by overhang jump.
You know when you're at a rooftop and you've got an overhang above you sort of like ˥ and then you hold up and your character slightly ejects backwards to grab onto the roof above them? That's what I mean. Climbing up buildings is way faster and smoother because of it.
>Just generic side content then?
I guess. They're technically co-op missions but could always be done solo as far as I recall, even before the first patch. They're just well designed with lots of entrances, enemy cover, and it forces you to stealth them.
>Shops are everywhere
Shops are spread quite far apart, and you need to spend roughly a minute or two of loading and slow menus just to buy them which discourages you from doing so. I absolutely hated going to the shops personally.
>you can throw one smoke into a group and assassinate
I think we're both talking past each other here, I meant during combat, not stealth. During combat you still have to attack.

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>>722563102
one of the most kino games i've ever played.
10/10 ending
the ending Desmond name drop had my brother and my friends lose their shit.
the hype for brotherhood was unbareable.
too bad Ubisoft dropped the ball soon after because they didn't know wtf they were doing.
mfw Desmond's character arc was planned for 5 others games and was accidentally scrapped because of miscommunication

>>722579858
>mfw Desmond's character arc was planned for 5 others games and was accidentally scrapped because of miscommunication
What miscommunication? I was excited for the Desmond stuff to go somewhere but then I didn't get it

>>722570867
this, but first 2 assasins creed in S, the rest in below F tier
also consider killing yourself reddit tier anon

>>722580135
the VA for desmond said Ubisoft had multiple games planned for Desmond and that eventually Desmond was supposed to "Time travel" without the animus through the bleeding effect.
Apparently everyone was confused as to why Desmond got killed off at the end of AC3 as this was thrown in last minute.
It seems like not everyone working on the game was totally on board or knew that was the end of game.

>>722579476
>Mirage and Shadows are at least steps in the right direction by bringing back side and back ejects along with various social stealth features in Mirage specifically
Those games will always be hampered by being directly link to nu-AC and it's open-field world design. Mirage especially suffered because of it's Valhalla roots.
>I'm talking about how you run up to objects, how you leap onto objects, you how you move from something like ground level to a slightly higher incline, etc. It's all done smoother and faster with the magnetism compared to the older games where you're "stuck" more to stuff
Another hard disagree. The simple act of hopping between objects looks significantly less smooth and more stuttery. Arno has a bad case of flying squirrel syndrome where he will make massive leaps and jump over footholds just to grab a ledge on the other side of the street. The magnetism is so bad that you can literally see Arno being pulled toward an object he isn't even facing.
https://youtu.be/_ZO6VP53krU?t=2530
>You know when you're at a rooftop and you've got an overhang above you sort of like ˥ and then you hold up and your character slightly ejects backwards to grab onto the roof above them?
Oh those, yeah, Arno's look smoother and is faster.
>I guess. They're technically co-op missions
Yeah, I didn't do them then. Co-op missions were ass in that they just took a normal single-player level and quadrupled the enemy count. Especially those cancerous faggot snipers.
>Shops are spread quite far apart, and you need to spend roughly a minute or two of loading and slow menus just to buy them which discourages you from doing so.
I'm guessing you played on a console or on an old HDD? Unity's shop have a quick refill, so you can restock all consumables and ammo in like 3 button presses.
>I think we're both talking past each other here, I meant during combat, not stealth.
Oh, well I just shot the fuckers with my gun during combat since you could free-aim.

>>722580496
>The simple act of hopping between objects looks significantly less smooth and more stuttery.
Sure, but it feels smoother in actual usage, that's what I'm getting at. We're probably gonna have to agree to disagree here.
>I'm guessing you played on a console or on an old HDD?
I've done it on an HDD, my Xbone X, and now an SSD and it still takes a good 15ish seconds to actually get into the menu, have buttons register, and purchase before going out of the menu. It just feels like a tedious procedure that I tended to just rely on Assassin's Cache for it.

>>722580348
Wow, now I'm mad all over again. That would have been a great place to take the Desmond plot and (ironically) make better sense of everything. Them ending everything at the tail-end of 3 was just shit, and DESU not one AC game afterwards makes that seem like anything other than a mistake.

>>722563102
Humans won.
Isu lost.

>>722579476
>The outfit was always different, the only thing that really stayed between each time period and region was the hooked hood and even that's fairly subtle if you're not paying attention. The thing that actually gave Assassins away was the missing finger.
I feel like if you know who to look for, you'll notice them. The merchant in Mirage instantly recognizes that Balsamic is one of the Assassins.

>>722581141
Cope, Loki is gonna nuke human cucks once again

>>722569410
>lesbian brown chick
Oddly specific choice for a protagonist, at this point the real subversion is when the brown chick is ethero and far right

>>722580903
>Sure, but it feels smoother in actual usage, that's what I'm getting at. We're probably gonna have to agree to disagree here.
Again, must disagree here. The animations and controls are far less smooth. In previous games assassin's would always do a consistent hop between objects, but Arno's jump and distance varies wildly and in turns creates a less smooth experience.
https://files.catbox.moe/toslbc.gif

>>722579858
>mfw Desmond's character arc was planned for 5 others games and was accidentally scrapped because of miscommunication
Actually, Patrice only planned for 3 games, with the last game ending with Desmond, Lucy and a ship of people leaving earth to look for a new home. That bit in the ending of AC3, that shows Desmond being revered in an almost Jesus-like manner after the Solar Flare, that was how the series was originally supposed to end.

>>722581515
>Desmond flies off in a space ship
Bullet dodged

>>722563102
I still believe Assasin’s Creed 2 is what inspired the Ancient Aliens show on History Channel. It predates it.

>>722581056
4 and Rogue was good but the modern day story sucked shit.
it seems to me that because they were focusing on releasing a game every year the quality of the stories went out the window and then gameplay followed soon after that.
>>722581515
thanks for the correction.
I wish they went through with it

>>722581363
>2 more millennia
>>722581741
Nah, both are inspired by gnosticism.

>>722581825
I wish they actually did something with the whole "Adam and Eve" thing they were setting up first. Desmond was the obvious Adam, but we knew nothing about Eve or her ancestors.

>>722582039
Find out more in Shadow's last Expansion

I pray we never have an actual AC game set in India

I haven't played an asscreed game since 3. What happened to the end of the world shit that was the plot of 2 and 3?

To be honest, I can't even remember what the modern day plot in 3 was. I remember there was a "temple" in Massachusetts or some shit that you spent most of the game in but I can't remember what the point of it was.

>>722582120
>nu-AC
Zero interest. Everything post Revelation needs to be rendered non-canon for me to start giving a fuck again

>>722563102
>Desmond we need you to…. put your hand on the crystal
Its like they didnt even write anything at all

>>722582335
>What happened to the end of the world shit that was the plot of 2 and 3?
Desmond touched a ball, died and the solar flare was blocked by Juno's macguffin shield.

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>>722582335
>What happened to the end of the world shit that was the plot of 2 and 3?
Desmond stopped the solar flare but unleashed Juno.
Black Flag to Syndicate was dealing with Juno and her cultists until Desmond's bastard son kills her and disappears.
Origins reveals Desmond's sacrifice didn't actually stop the solar flare, it basically just deferred it to a later point in time.
Valhalla reveals activating the thing to stop the solar flare actually digitized Desmond's consciousness into The Reader and also caused Yggdrasil to start irradiating the planet so Layla had to go stop it.
Layla is now with The Reader (Obviously Desmond) inside Yggradsil using their computer to try and figure out how to stop the solar flare that is coming from actually killing everyone now that they know they can't rely on old methods.

>>722582336
why though? what lore do you dislike?

Just take this as the end of Assassin’s Creed
https://youtu.be/fGJ7Z6AEzpY?si=Wf1MAYoDk43g3sIy

>>722563102
Yo is that the time bitch
The space prostitute

>>722582607
>the thing to stop the solar flare actually digitized Desmond's consciousness
wtf.
I don't understand why they didn't go for the simpler way to bring back Desmond which would have been using the shroud of eden and using the Animus that Subject 16 used to save a copy of Desmond mind and DNA at the end of Revelations to ressurect Desmond.
they we're clearly heading toward that direction and just never got to it.

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>>722583668
KEK

>>722574473
Sad to imagine someone thinking this way about Assassin's Creed of all series.

How the fuck is desmond such an important and allegedly beloved character when his name is practically drawn out of a hat and he looks like that NPC from half life aka skibidi toilet

>>722582828
Desmond dying
The Isu politics
Fantasy garbage all being waved as Isu experiments or old Isu cities
Retreading the solar flare shit again
Origins and the start of the Assassins
The world outside being relatively normal, but with more surveillace
Animus no longer needs you to be an ancestor, you just need some of a person's DNA
The complete commodification of the animus into VR shit
Shaun and Rebecca being the exact same in every game they're in
The complete lost of mystery

>>722570867
Holy mother of dogshit taste.

>>722563102
who eez dayzmond

>>722586304
HEY WASSA MATTA YOO ALL-TIE-EAR

>>722586939
You're racist!

>>722582607
My favorite part is how Layla needed the staff to survive the radiation and then basims old ass essentially corpse body just happens to fall on it to be regenerated
Also valhalla was the last one I played so I don’t know if it’s been touched on but it potentially implied it was all lokis keikaku

>>722588109
>so I don’t know if it’s been touched on but it potentially implied it was all lokis keikaku
Mirage added nothing. A random Assassin trainee or member or someone decides to go through his memories as Basim prior to Valhalla and William is basically like "Yeah, he did some bad stuff, dude lives a troubled life" and lets you sync it.
Shadows starts you off basically retreading the Unity/Syndicate Initiates Modern Day story (You bought a VR headset, they're showing you "The Truth™") even though Syndicate had them outright stop that program because it was stupid. People who completed it said in other threads literally nothing happens related to Modern Day and you can't even really find anything about it outside of the random things thrown into the Animus Hub when you complete some side content that I don't have yet.

Mirage also cut a scene where it zooms in on some 5G tower thing in the middle of a desert and no one knows what it means or why they cut it.

>>722588563
They're adding an expansion to Mirage for some reason, so who knows. They might add some Isu shit.

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>>722588714
>They're adding an expansion to Mirage

>>722588798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NaEwUyK3Qk

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>>722589291
>Takes place right before the ending.
>Deals with his daddy issues.
It also looks huge, I'm genuinely surprised this is free.

>>722588563
If I had to guess a reason for the tower would be something akin to broadcasting a piece of eden signal across the globe that was one of the methods attempted to stave off the first wave

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>>722589851
>Different shit that changes the main game.
Fuck sake, I'm 6 hours into my playthrough!

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>>722590545
You have to do a NG+ on the permadeath mode if you want the unique outfit and charms if you haven't done that yet and they said there's going to be a mission replay system added that gives you new rewards for replaying said missions so there's that. They also said something about tweaking the parkour system to have free jumping added back and something else.

>>722590762
full sync is just 100% with side quests and shit, right?

>>722591187
Full sync is the permadeath toggle unlocked after you beat the game and go to NG+. They want you to do it on Master Assassin to unlock the Mentor's outfit and a bunch of dyes.

>>722590762
I'm surprised you of all people never bothered with Shadows until now

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>>722563102
this game's story was always pants on head retarded but it stood out because the 7th gen was filled with even worse garbage and this franchise dared to do something different.

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>>722563102

lore? what lore?
your journey ends now here lol
goodbye.

>>722563102
200 games later and they still havent finished the goddamn plot

Is Desmond even remotely relevant anymore?

>>722563102
I liked when AC was a blend of sci-fi and history.

>>722591631
desmond is dead, he died at the end of 3, but abstergo took his DNA and used it to make eleventy billion video games or whatever. basically his brain exists in some jar somewhere, and they extract it when they need someone who is not a direct assassin ancestor to relive the memories of assassins in order to find out whatever.

it's gay and basically you can attribute this to corporate meddling, they wanted to turn asscreed into a cash cow when it was supposed to be a trilogy at best, with maybe a fourth game in which you play as desmond, but I guess they didn't like that idea so they murdered him and now the plot is basically stagnant and unresolved in favor of some perpetual bullshit between two shadowy forces whose politics are increasingly vague and dubious.

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>>722569198
trust le HECKIN science has got to God damn loud and obnoxious these days with everything NEEDING to be accurate otherwise you get shitflinging for it, to hell with artistic interpretations. I remember when titanic was torn apart because the scene when she looks up at the stars wasn't "accurate" science pseuds had a melty over it like that faggot degras tyson

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>>722591631
>Is Desmond even remotely relevant anymore?
He's very likely "The Reader" now since he's voiced by Nolan North and responds to the name "Desmond" when Layla brings him up. So it sounds like either they're trying to bring him back or he's going to be some AI that helps everyone.

>>722591925
Desmond's body was already salvaged for all its DNA, this was part of Black Flag's various hacking content when you play as Noob. They haven't used his DNA since Black Flag since there's no point, all the DNA for the people after Black Flag have been from either blood drives Abstergo did around the time of Black Flag and Rogue or random objects like Bayek and Aya's burial wrappings/Hidden Blade, Kass' Spear of Eden, Eivor's bones, and Loki literally handing his blood to William.

>>722591350
It only dropped to $40 recently on Woot and that was a coin flip if I got the US or PAL copy (I got the US copy thankfully) since apparently they sometimes do PAL copies on non-Nintendo games. I'm not paying full price for an AC game.
Also, I genuinely can't believe this is a starting game Legendary item. It has let me kill at least half the Onryo without even having that mechanic unlocked yet and them all having skulls and clear basically everything while being massively underleveled. Some of these castles in the level 28+ areas have the Daishos at like level 40+ and I'm able to clear them just fine because I just assassinate everyone around the guys since they're not skull level, save, and then smack the Daishos who are skulls with a mix of daze and a Tanto until the 3% procs for their health bars. It's nuts.

>>722592060
Gradually revealing this in AC2 was really cool back in 2009. I fell off the series eventually but the eerie early mystery was neat.

>>722592882
Valhalla did one too which I thought was okay
You gradually unlock a video of the “gods” becoming sages or whatever
But there’s two versions of the video (I forget how you see the other). One where it’s Norse deities drinking mead and one where it’s isu tech
Valhalla leaned more into the “what you’re seeing is being filtered through whoever’s mythology” more than odyssey having isu tech literally turn people into mythological creatures
Which I think was a good decision

>>722593936
The real one was if you did all the Layla puzzles.
The fake one was if you did all the Asgard drug binges.

all I know is that this series went to shit and it should die and stay dead. hope ubisoft goes bankrupt. the first two games + DLC expansions (brotherhood and revelations) are good, the third game is where it went to shit, and everything after has sucked gargantuan cock so hard that the subsequent nature rending natural disasters that have come about as a result are poised to kill us all any day now. any day now.

>>722582039
>Desmond was the obvious Adam, but we knew nothing about Eve or her ancestors
Anon, Eve was meant to be Lucy

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>>722581380
Those jumps are based entirely on whether you hold Jump Up while freerunning or not. Webm very much related, notice how Arno either jumps correctly or makes the weird floaty jumps from your gif based solely on player input.

>>722585398
>he doesn't know that Desmond means "Man of the World" which was chosen because his DNA held so many different ancestries that would be explored via the Animus
You missed the SOVL, anone

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>>722563102
Fucking kino. Getting to this part for the first time without any spoilers was a 10/10 experience

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>>722591631
The original writer was removed for wanting to end the series at 3. There is no plot anymore.

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>>722563102
>Minerva turns to the camera, says my full name, home address and social security number
Unconventional dialogue

>>722599223
It was a different time

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>>722599223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biUQP-ya-TQ

>>722563102
Kino

>>722599223
The power of Kinect

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>>722601780
I'm still upset

>>722601780
>complain about how dumbed down modern Ass Creed controls are
>was stucked here as well
On one hand, I was part of the problem. On the other hand, the devs never actually gave you a tutorial on how to manually jump and how to use it in the environment, and this is the only moment in the entire game you're forced to use it to advance (the same tower in AC1 has an extra chain next to the beam you can grab so you didn't even need to use it then)

>>722601780
>every pole can be climbed onto from the side
>but not this one
>the tutorial teaches you how to wall-run
>it's not required at any point in the game

>>722563102
All the players named Desmond had heart attacks, it's well documented.

>>722569198
Yeah I hate niggers, what's your point here?

>>722574679
2 had the whole attic room of portraits for the big targets you had to kill? What? As well as in Brotherhood it was fun to do sidequest assassinations because they would take you to weird buildings on the map and sometimes had a fun side challenge to 100% it. I'll never 100% Brotherhood but there's something approachably fun about how they set that up in the UI and stuff.

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>>722563102
OoooAAAAOOOoohh!

>>722603886
>2 had the whole attic room of portraits for the big targets you had to kill?
An attic room you'll visit once in the entire game to loot the money chest inside it then utterly forget about its existence because you're never prompted to return to it? You could've at least claimed the Conspiracy menu page, but even that one is subpar. In AC1 you got to actually learn about your targets, little by little, and every mission in the game revolved around your hunt for them. Not only does AC2 take a cuantity over quality approach where you have no idea who half the characters are until 5 seconds before you murder them, half the missions have little to do with you hunting them and are instead random action adventure missions where you play Renaissance Batman.