How do you write a realistic autistic main character in a romance game?Is it impossible?
>>722566348Just copy Japanese vns
>>722566348Autism is a spectrum and it’s manifested in various different ways, so it’d be very hard or impossible to accurately depict it in any fictional setting. You’re either going to downplay it to the point where people with autism cannot relate or go so far overboard that it borders on a satire of what autism is.
>>722566393Japanese VNs are wish fulfillment slop with cardboard cutout LIs and even flatter MCs
Fate Stay Night exists
>>722566348just find out in Deltarune
You dont
>>722566348Have a female main character, an autistic man having relationship prospects will break the suspension of disbelief
>>722566348Autism has varying effects on people
>>722566348Japanese games and anime already do that,just copy them
>>722566348Lovely x Cation 2 visual novel Seine's route. The best depiction of an autistic girl I've ever seen, she's so cute
Certainly, autists can form relationships in the "standard" fashion too, but more often than not (certainly for people deep in the spectrum, whether low- or high-functioning) these ways would be highly idiosyncratic and wouldn't in any way represent a typical autistic experience.If I were to write something like that, I would go for "wizard seeking to lose his virginity through sugar dating" kind of approach ("sugar dating" here being understood as amateurs making a little bit of money on the side through privately negotiated agreements, terms often being "not just sex", as opposed to professional escorts working full-time with publicly listed prices and services). Let's say the sugar babe is first-timer to the whole thing too although not a virgin (which is entirely realistic; most quit after the first bad experience, having gotten their urgent money need covered, or some other reason... the attrition rate is very high so most girls haven't had time to meet many daddies) and the autist ends up being her only daddy, which eventually turns into sugarfree romance. It's a good setup to bring up typical autistic concerns like being unable to fit in the society or having trouble forming relationships: despite being an amazing guy (at least in his own terms) the autist can't just pick up girls in a bar and has to grease palms to get on dates (or to get his dick wet).
>>722566861filtered me
>>722568316I dont wanna make my guy pay for prostitutes
>>722568674Then make a neurotypical main character
>>722568918So all autistics get whores?My dad's autistic.Are you saying my mom is a whore?
>>722568674Well, presumably you don't want to have incredibly heightened social inhibition that prevents you from talking to girls either. Unless it's in form of spouting facts about dinosaurs to random people, completely oblivious to whether or not they find you interesting. Of course you could write a story about e.g. an autistic boy and a girl who too is into dinosaurs and they somehow get together despite the boy missing all cues relating to flirting (the girl happens to be really really assertive sort), but while it CAN happen, it stretches credulity. Or a man and a woman who want really smart kids (let's say the autistic man is a math or computer science PhD, a fairly relatable position for high-functioning autists), engage in assortative mating kind of deal, and despite entirely unromantic beginnings they get romantically involved after all. But I don't think that would work narratively. Like, things can happen in a bazillion kinds of ways, but I don't think "things that have 1/100 000 000 chance of happening, but did in fact happen because there's a hundred million autists in the world" makes for a satisfying story because you don't see yourself flipping 27 heads in a row so it doesn't feel like a story that "could happen to you".Besides, with that mindset you (or the main character) would already have lost, treating the girls as prostitutes. It's not like that's an unheard of thing, but it's also stretching credulity that a professional escort would form a romantic bond with some autist. And you'd also be a cuck times thousand, whereas with my proposed setup it's entirely realistic for player character to be the girl's only active sexual partner (finding virgins would, too, stretch all credulity).
>>722569240Lay of the estrogen sis
>>722569946:(
Just make him fuck his sister
>>722572690>What if Omori was good
>>722566348Autism varys so having an autist character that captures the full thing is impossible. I remember when that show of the autistic doctor became a meme you had people say it's inaccurate while others were saying it's very accurate. Just depends on what kind of autism you want to depict.
>>722573095How many types are there?
Autism is to men what anxiety is to women.You all love to fake your mental health in order to improve your stale personality.
>>722573357Beats me, met plenty of autists where you'd barely are able to tell they're autists. Then you get some Chris Chan tier weirdos who you can clock instantly. Most of the time in fiction when someone clocks a character for having autism it's usually by accident. People say Claude from GTA has autism simply because he never speaks or shows any emotion despite him doing wild shit.
>>722573719How to make a fairly normal but still visibly autistic guy?
>>722566348He doesn't end up with anyone and he gets tortured to death to punish him for existing. That's the only realistic ending for autists.
>>722566348Anon from snoot game
>>722574463Easiest means is to make him somewhat oblivious to social cues. This shit is usually played for laughs but you can go either way depending on what you wanna go for. Or make them rather quiet/shy, coming out of his shell once his chosen subject of expertise is required. Personally, unless having autism is a major theme explored in a given character I wouldn't go out of my way to make an autistic character. If I did it'd be by accident honestly, usually just byproducts of other traits I give em. I used Claude from GTA as an example, another would be Henry from Silent Hill 4. He's quiet and softspoken and is shown to be a bit reclusive, thus it's common for people to claim he's an autist. I dunno if the devs intended that but it's how people took him.
>>722574541:(
>>722574463For high-functioning autists, a successful STEM career path giving an outward appearance of normalcy, but on closer inspection they are outside the typical range in many although not necessarily all correlated parameters ranging from sense hypersensitivity, having trouble navigating unfamiliar social situations (especially things like committing faux pas through brutal honesty), dyspraxia (deficit in fine motor skills like tieing shoelaces; perhaps he copes by e.g. wearing shoes with Velcro), obsessiveness in various stereotypical niche interests, etc.
>>722575216Can I make him an art guy
>>722575071If you don't like it, stop existing.
>>722575216>deficit in fine motor skills like tieing shoelaces; perhaps he copes by e.g. wearing shoes with VelcroBitch please, we have something better than Velcro now. BOA shoes are a godsend for autistic people.
>>722575359It's possible, but it would do some work to make the character read as an autist (if that's the intent) since art isn't a common way autists find their way in the "normal world", and you might want to take a look at the kind of art famous autistic artists are known for (e.g. focusing on minute detail in visual arts, or underlying mathematical structures in music). Of course that doesn't need to be the case either, but in that case you'd be in the almost-neurotypical end of the spectrum.
>>722575768What if he likes drawing detailed monsters
>>722575359Sure, there really isn't some limit on what autists can be interested in. The common thing with them is if they're interested in something they go far and beyond to become experts in it. Weather it'd be something useful like Math, or something trivial like Sonic the Hedgehog lore.
Can femboys be autistic?
>>722575868That would be a more likely sort of example for an autist's obsession of choice. But art in general reads not-autism, so if you want the reader to understand the character as autistic, they'd have to exhibit other associated traits more strongly.For the record, the diagnosis is easier to do on children because people do find ways to cope. For example, while I now can tie shoelaces well enough, as a child I used laceless shoes and my mother would come to my PhD classes to help me get e.g. ice skates on (naturally, I was completely oblivious to how this looked to peers). So if there's an opportunity, you could emphasise the problems by mentioning how it used to be different. And to find applicable examples, you probably should read some autobiographies to find commonalities, or research papers/medical advice for parents of autistic children.Of course, it's also worth noting that we're talking about relatively high-functioning individuals here; the truly low-functioning ones have characteristics like monotonic rocking movements or eating their fingers (this ties to probable neurological mechanism behind autism: how comfortable the brain is with the difference in its predictions and sensory data... self-caused motion and sensation is maximally predictable, getting really really good at some niche thing makes it predictable, while social situations or sensory stimulus like water droplets from shower dropping on you stochastically for instance are inherently unpredictable).
People saying it's a spectrum are right. I have Autism and I still haven't met any autist remotely like me. Frankly it isn't even a spectrum, some people are just mentally retarded, have genetic diseases etc and only group with autists because their malformed brains provide symptoms that overlap with Autism. I would say Elon Musk is a good representation only because his quirks are obvious and awkward unlike a lot of neurotypical passing "autists" while not being a mentally retarded monster caricature like Chris Chan.
>>722577104>Zuckerberg>Elon>the open AI guyWhy are all tech billionaires thats not pedophiles autistic?
>>722576631It goes without saying but a low functioning autist could never be a main character because they lack the agency and awareness to empathise with them and "play". On the other hand making them too high functioning kind of defeats the point if you want it to be part of the characters identity.
>>722577876Zuckerberg is definitely not autistic, don't know about Altman.
>>722566348>How do you write a realistic autisticHow many times are you going to make this thread?
>>722577104Elon Musk is a complete fraud and doesn't even have a diagnosis. The man is just trying to pass drug addled antics and retardation as intelligence. If you want high functioning autism look at Ross from Game Dungeon. t. diagnosed with autism in the 90s at 4 years old
>>722577876Autists are grossly overrepresented in STEM field in general.That being said, the common defining trait among those is sociopathy, not autism. Neither Altman or Zuckerberg strike me as particularly autistic (they're STEM-types of course, but you can be STEM but not on the spectrum) and Musk while he exhibits some traits, I reckon, is lying/acting/widely exaggerating about it in a vain attempt to gain nerd-cred to justify his "real-world Tony Stark" image and to distract from him being completely out of his depth every time he opens his mouth (whether the skill being called for is technical expertise or being a natural liar). He doesn't appear even "ordinarily introverted" in videos predating this brand, he does socially unacceptable things but is callous rather than oblivious doing so (and the things he does, like sleeping with his employees, tend to be of the nature where autists are inhibited rather than oblivious), he is a compulsive liar which is pretty much the exact opposite of obsession with detail and brutal honesty characteristic of autists, and while he has nerdy/"autistic" interests, they really do seem to only go skin-deep. Say, he doesn't at all seem to understand the Culture novels despite naming his ships after them, which is almost as though he never read them and does this too for nerd-cred.
>>722579052If you can tell someone is autistic from a photo, they're probably autistic.>The man is just trying to pass drug addled antics and retardation as intelligenceThe notion that the richest person in the world isn't intelligent is so retarded it isn't even worth arguing against. Anyway that wasn't even the point. People like Elon represent us more accurately than normie larpers, trannies and mental retards. >>722579635This is just a bad read. Whether he is or isn't, he obviously believes he has it.
>>722566348You make an accurate account of your own dating life.
>>722578497How many times are you going to go to random threads you dont like and accuse them of this shit?
>>722568316>>722569579ok chatgpt, you can turn yourself off now.
i can't write an autistic character, but i can autistically write a character, and that might just work
>>722566348you'd have to write the love interests to be realistic. in most VNs you basically have a harem of girls who are all obsessed with some autistic retard for literally no reason, and this is why tranime fans like them so much. a realistic depiction of an autistic character is going to require all of the other characters to interact with them in a realistic way as well, and for the most part, normie strangers will instinctively not like you without even knowing why.
>>722579790Clearly you don't come from money if you think it takes intelligence to turn a profit on your nepo inheritence. Just have the dad not completely walk out and they're guaranteed to at least be millionaires
>>722580157the fact that you're an autist and a pedo leads me to believe you're also a troon, so please 41%
>>722580106>most """Lover Interests"""" just friend zone MC even if he tries his best>have to find the one girl that actually romantically accepts himIs that ok?
>>722580170>Missed the point again awardElon is extraordinary even for nepo babies in business acumen and that's still putting it lightly. I don't even like Elon but you're so retarded I feel compelled to.
>>722579790>If you can tell someone is autistic from a photo, they're probably autistic.What do you think looks autistic about him?
>>722566348Thats simple. If the autist is male, he never scores with anyone. If the autist is female, she opens her legs to everyone.
>>722579790>The notion that the richest person in the world isn't intelligent is so retarded it isn't even worth arguing against.It's so amusing to me that people think that musk is stupid, or that they are smarter than him, just because they don't like his politics. redditors are literally all the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" types, while also decrying the idea that millionaires should exist at all. maybe musk is autistic, but these people are just hating on him because he's weird. or as they would call it, being ableist.
>>722580342I'm of the mindset that if a woman wants to be your friend, it's likely because she doesn't see you as sexually threatening, and might even see you as feminine because of the autism. they would find their autistic friend asking them out equally as weird as if one day your dog started talking and asked you if your car battery had a warranty.
>>722579790Right, basically all people that are the most successful in any field whatsoever, whether it's advancing in an ecclesiastical hierarchy, knitting, running, being an influencer, pure mathematics, or whatever. Since most abilities are normally distributed, bigger outliers get ever rarer, and for a guy who has optimal genotype for running (which in itself probably isn't g-loaded at all, except perhaps insofar as reaction times are correlated with intelligence?), there's a hundred people with 99% optimal genotype for running but also (on average) about half of them also train smarter, and some train much smarter, and 99% optimal runner that trains much more efficiently probably outruns the optimal runner who is of average intelligence and wastes time with inefficient training. And most abilities are somewhat g-loaded.But that doesn't imply they are in any way extraordinary in that department. Garry Kasparov for instance, the second strongest Chess player in history, measured an IQ of 135. Which is high but not that high (although his tests were lopsided in terms of excelling at pattern-recognition and memory, in which he'd have been more exceptional). The best student in the class basically. And Chess sure as hell is more g-loaded than a career the high point of which is investing in future growth industries twice (and then managing to bring venture capital and government subsidies while at the same time being not quite enough of a drag not to bring the companies under while actually competent people get things done).
>>722580389Body language, coordination, way he comes across even through text. Also the way he speaks, but sometimes he sounds very well spoken, other times comes across like a turbo autist. That doesn't even mean he is faking it or playing it up, stress and anxiety play a role in communication.>>722580532>or as they would call it, being ableist.Realistically libtards hate him because of his politics. But yeah, some random faggot working middle management thinking he is smarter than the worlds richest man who has sent rockets to space, founded PayPal and owns Tesla is as ridiculous as it sounds. Same issue with Trump, the guy is a master orator, builds towers and became the president of the biggest empire in history but he's also stupid at the same time.
>>722566761>wish fulfillment slopI never got the negative reaction to wish fulfillment. You actually want to go through the downs of courtship? Does the protagonist have to get rejected X times by different women before attempting the friend route leading to half-hearted settling? If wish fulfillment is bad to you, what exactly do you want?
>>722566348Okabe Rintaro is quite autistic but highly functioning autist.
>>722581119>finish the romance route>flash forward to the happy couple 20 years from now>your waifu is fat and bitchy
>>722581360how do you avoid this outcome irl
Can the guy be good at multiple things? Like he is a firearm nerd but also good at makeup because he has a sister or have extended knowledge on sharks or some other autistic shit
>>722580978Your first mistake is thinking IQ is the end all for intelligence. Your entire view on intelligence is wrong at a foundational level. But even taking you where you are, my point was that Elon is intelligent and is an extraordinarily remarkable person, not that he is remarkably intelligent. It is literally impossible to do the things he does without being HIGHLY intelligent.
>>722582008pointless to argue with these retards. while luck does play a huge factor in success, an actual retard being given what musk was given would destroy it all in a matter of years. hating musk is just hating a broken system. he didn't create it, but he sure as hell knows how to take advantage of it.
>>722582008what has he done besides give blood diamond money to engineers
>>722581598>how do you avoid this outcome irlEasily - avoid 3DPD.
>>722581598you don't. in general, women keep themselves thin and attractive to find the best suitor possible. a woman will almost always unleash the worst of herself when she thinks she has everything locked down and no longer has to put on an act. the reason why people think women are so "mysterious" or "demure" is because they're actively hiding the shittiest parts of themselves and don't really know how to behave as a regular person, so they just kinda play their cards to their chest.
>>722566348Depends on how autistic he is.Fucking full blown or high functioning.
>>722582492there are thousands of millionaires who haven't actually done anything at all besides knowing the right people. why is musk held to a different standard?
>>722566348no. just play undertale
>>722582525>>722582569So upsetting watching this play out with your parents and knowing you can't escape it without refusing to play
>>722582702No one has brought up other millionaires, you're the one saying Musk is exceptional.
>>722582735well thats why half of today's marriages ended up in divorce. women's right gave unrealistic expectations and just made women wish for more, and now nothing works and there are tons of kids with broken families that ended up growing up without love.fucking sad i tell you
>>722566393This is correct and true.>>722566761>wish fulfillment slop Still much better than most anything cucked westerners do, especially in recent years. The Hero's Journey is also not wish fulfilment, The Hero requires to pass through hardships, if you know a thing or two about how mythos are supposed to be structured.>but le romanceChivalric romance was wish fulfilment in the ages past, heavily interwoven with fantasy and superstition both. A truly great story cannot be contained in one single genre.
>>722583115no friendless autist has a chance with a group of 7 women who are all friends with each other and inexplicably obsessed with him.
>>722582492>Niggers mining rocks and providing Elon seed money is why he's the most rich, influential and accomplished man in the worldYeah never thought about it that way
>>722566861Yeah, my boy Shirou is the best possible portrayal of "How do you write a realistic autistic main character in a romance game?" FSN isn't strictly romance, but the point stands. Nasu knows his stuff very well, you want a good written, and more importanty, likeable and even admirable, autist? Look no further than to Nasu's work.
>>722581119makes it shallow and predictable and the guiding creative vision of "generic shit every lonely loser day dreams about" is lame af
>>722583419is Tohno autistic?
>>722583870If you have to ask maybe it's (you) who are autistic here?
>Stoic and quirky = autisticCan this meme die? Better yet, can normies forget what autism is and just view us as weird like they did in the past?
>>722584110most of these MCs are designed to be self inserts. The fact that the people who play these games identify them as being autistic probably just means that the only people playing these games are autistic.
>>722584024didnt get that far. dropped after he almost came to killing arc
>>722584110Lemme guess, you're le diagnosed and crave "proper" representation? Maybe try reddit? Folk there are more receptive to such plights.
>>722584183The autistic stoic chad is a common stereotype outside of dating sims. You're not wrong though
>>722584287I would prefer zero representation like my post implied, fucking retard
>>722584414>o woe is me its so hard being le autistic its nothing like in those creepy pedocoded japanese visaul novels>update: OMG MY FIRST REDDIT GOLD THANK YOU KIND STRANGER
>>722584583>meltie @ someone he made up in his mindReply to someone else with your schizo rambling
