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why does he have a silk heart
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>>722569201
A cat needs a ball of yarn to play with
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>>722569201
Probavly found it in the bellways and that is why she got stuck
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Honestly I can only assume someone else had it originally but they moved it earlier so you could always use some silk. I think they could have gotten away with it up until the needolin though. And the question would be who would have it, Widow makes sense thematically but she couldn't really have anything but the needolin. Maybe Phantom?
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Why are they called "Forebrothers" instead of "Forgebrothers".
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>>722569628
This seems like reasonable explanation. Either it was at that area to begin with, or Bell Beast grabbed it from Citadel's bellway or something.
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>>722570260
Anon learns what a foreman is today
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You are being far too generous to the developers' amount of consideration they put into this game. Much of it is convenience or rule of cool. Why did we need to kill Moss Mother? Why does it rain perpetually in Greymoor? Why are Weavers referred to as ancient, yet the citadel only appears recently abandoned? How do the pilgrims enter the citadel before the Last Judge dies? I doubt they intended to justify every aspect and mechanic with in-game coherency. It's just shit they thought was cool.
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>>722573310
Unless I remember wrong, doesn't the game tells you that there were 2 "eras" of the citadel, with the first one being controlled by the weavers, and the second one by the conductors?
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>>722573310
>Why are Weavers referred to as ancient, yet the citadel only appears recently abandoned?
Play the game nigger. Once the Weavers fucked off (some of them went into hiding and some of them left Pharloom, like Herra) the Conductors alongside the Vaultkeepers and the Architects took over Pharloom's government.
>How do the pilgrims enter the citadel before the Last Judge dies?
They generally don't, they aren't meant to anymore. Sherma is the only one who is let into the Citadel at this point because she is genuinely pure of heart and is basically the last true believer. (yes I said she, I don't care that the Whiteward quest uses a male pronoun)
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>>722569201
>He
She
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>>722569201
>he
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>>722574710
sherma is a boy, retard
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>>722575040
>female name
>female voice
>b-b-but the throwaway quest description had "his" in it!!!
I don't give a shit about what last minute tranny faggotry the devs wanted to but into the game. I'm not going to treat a blatantly female character as a male.
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>sherma
>female name
lol lmao haha
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>>722573051
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>>722575183
Whorenet's lust for him can't be explained otherwise.
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>>722573051
The grill? I thought they were the related to the forgedaughter.
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>>722577492
Wrong
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>>722576448
Feeling vexed, anon?
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>>722577615
Images like this hit different when you remember she's a thousand years old 5-year-old, eternally in the "rebellious age" with an under developed brain.
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>>722577862
YES
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>>722569201
GMS is spawning them in her sleep as you go because she wants to communicate with Hornet at those three specific times - "so happy you're here" for Bell Beast and "no no I had reasons to do this don't judge me" for Unraveled/Lace
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>>722569201
GMS sends it your way once she notices you breaking a shit ton of her threads. The scene directly afterwards is her beckoning you to seek her out.
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>>722569728
Probably Lace 1, then they realized it wouldn't make sense to have two silk hearts for Lace with a third being the Unravelled.
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silk hearts need to exist because team cherry are too autistic about putting lore over gameplay to just let you use clawline or needolin without expending your in-game silk resource and you wont have either of the other two until after you get both those abilities

why bell beast specifically? no fucking clue. regardless, this game would be leagues better if they hadnt compromised gameplay for lore at every opportunity
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>>722570260
because their job is circumcising all the pilgrims in the deep docks
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>>722569201
Silk hearts really didn't make any sense.
- Why the bell beast? "Hurr she's trapped in silk". Okay, and? There's silk everywhere. Hell, there's a bunch of silk walls before the beast (and then never again, wasted mechanic).
- Then the Unraveled? Why? The guy doesn't have much to do with silk. The white ward wad going experiments with silk, but that's still just a random weak ass surgeon or something.
- Lace 2 at least makes sense, she's made of silk.

But I would have put them at better places :
- Either Lace 1 or Widow, both early and at least have to do with silk. Widow is a bit late and far fetched I guess, she manipulates silk threads but isn't the source.
- First Sinner. Literally the only weaver in the game and it doesn't get us a silk heart? Instead it's Unraveled?
- Lace 2 is fine, but it would have been even better if it came from Mother Silk.
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>>722578565
>Want to rip some wicked sick needolin chords so this faggot sings for me
>Oops you had 0 silk, better interrupt this song every 5 seconds
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That's just Hornet activating her own silk creation as she's gaining back her powers.

Source? My ass.
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>>722579061
>its actually really important to the lore that you have to just dangle from the hoops at mt fay for a couple of seconds before you can make your next jump
and before one of you slop guzzlers says silk-less clawline would be broken, just put it on a cooldown if it doesnt connect with anything
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>>722578761
Widow, First Sinner, Lace 2 and Mother Silk (for a forth one) sounds perfect. Not to mention that Unravelled is very veru missable, and that shouldn't be the case for key progression stuff like silk hearts. Good thinkig anon
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>>722578761
>- First Sinner. Literally the only weaver in the game and it doesn't get us a silk heart? Instead it's Unraveled?
no first sinner already gives you... uh...
>checks notes
rune rage, which is an essential and important addition to the game that couldnt possibly be moved or taken out for a silk heart
its getting nerfed in the next patch btw KEK
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>>722573310
I am not giving them any credit when stuff like
>Once the Last Judge is defeated, stay away from them in order to not be damaged by their Retributive Explosion. If Hornet is defeated during this explosion, the victory will not be counted and Last Judge will need to be fought again.
is in the game. Honestly i got to this boss after being pissed off quite a bit but reading that i realize that this game truly is for retards who enjoyed the house at the end of time from Kingmaker. I am honestly considering boycotting the game now. That is such a horrible choice that i can't possibly find another reason for it other than them hating their own playerbase. That and the trapped bench. I can concede with the arena spamming being a preference.
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>>722573310
its the complete opposite anon. their paramount concern was making sure all the lore lined up, which is why the gameplay feels like a tedious afterthought (it was)
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>>722573051
You are a black man
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>>722579528
>the gameplay feels like a tedious afterthought (it was)
What about it is?
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>>722579457
>n00bs are assmad
more news at eleven
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>Sure you may be what amounts to essentially a lobotomised robot, but you should really value your life!! Life is precious!! Nevermind that you're completely at my mercy for survival now, life is precious!
>hmm why didn't I save Phantom then? Had to get that cool parry
>oh the Green Prince? All sodomites deserve death.
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>>722579968
When there will be nothing but ragebaiters around you, what will you do then? Just pretend that you get baited? You people are fucking stupid. Its like you are playing a game of football by yourself, How is that fun?
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>>722573310
>Why did we need to kill Moss Mother?
It's angry you're in its territory and attacks you.
>Why does it rain perpetually in Greymoor?
Waste water from Bilewater leaking in through the ceiling (same explanation as City of Tears) with silk dregs mixed in.
>Why are Weavers referred to as ancient, yet the citadel only appears recently abandoned?
After the Weavers leave, the Citadel is controlled by the Conductors.
>How do the pilgrims enter the citadel before the Last Judge dies?
They're called Judges for a reason. The pure get to pass, like Sherma. Pilgrims kept dying because they kept scamming and killing each other over rosaries thinking that's what made them holy.
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>>722579947

>>722579061
>>722579228
for starters, plus:
>shard system
>runbacks
>input reading flying enemies pre-clawline
>act 3 in its entirety

tedium=/-difficulty. shit that wastes your time for the sake of wasting your time doesnt make the game harder or make you a more epic gamer for beating it; its just fucking stupid
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>>722574840
>>722574868
uh oh spoily
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>>722580115
That's fair. My complaints are just bosses with goon arenas before bosses sometimes. The runbacks are abit much sometimes.
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>>722580161
It’s been a month, 2 weeks is the max for caring about spoilers
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>>722580295
>goon arenas
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>>722580026
I say the last one
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>>722580419
I don't like the time wasted circlejerking with the goons when I just wanna fight the boss.
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>>722580052
I'm not even baiting, I'm just...flabbergasted by the apparent naivete of the post I replied to. Is this anon's first game maybe? How new is he? I would concede his point if the Last Judge did an allahu akbar instantly upon you delivering the fatal blow. But he doesn't. You get like full ten seconds of both video and audio cues that shit is about to go down and you better get out of dodge. If you stand around like a retard for all that time, a deer staring blanking at headlights, then I'm sorry to be the one to tell him, but it's not the game - it's all you anon.
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>>722580569
Having to do the fight again after that retarded run back is just spitting in the face of the player. You want to do something fun? Sure, i'm down with that, but not getting the win because of this is just fucking with the player. Surely you haven't been blinded so badly by the cult of difficulty that you can't see this
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>>722579258
widow for the first one makes more sense since you don't even need silk hearts until you have clawline anyways. Giving it to first sinner is weird though since she already gives a reward, no issue with having a missable one
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>>722580773
Also you don't technically fight first sinner, just a memory. Makes more sense to learn a technique.
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>>722578761

I bet you're fun at parties.

Keep this level of autism up and you're going to die alone, senpai.
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>>722578761
>Then the Unraveled? Why? The guy doesn't have much to do with silk. The white ward wad going experiments with silk, but that's still just a random weak ass surgeon or something.

Did you not read the journal entry? It's not just a random bug, it's an amalgam of hundreds of dead bugs' souls and silk.
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>>722578761
>she manipulates silk threads but isn't the source.
you could just get it from the big bunch of threads you cut haunting bellhart. Either way unraveled makes sense since it's the result of who knows how many insane experiments with silk and injecting it into bugs
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>>722578761
>Hell, there's a bunch of silk walls before the beast (and then never again, wasted mechanic).
It actually is used again, like the Songclave bell is tied up the same way. But for some reason those ones are breakable with basic attacks. I guess the devs wanted to make more things that are only breakable with silk skills but realised if someone had the parry equipped they'd be fucked. So they only used the silk walls to make sure you pick up spear skill, and to tutorialise that was what you needed to move forward.
Once again shoehorning in a parry ruins game design.
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>>722580690
It's not spitting in the face of the player, just bluntly asking you to use your brain - is that too much to ask? Same how nowhere you're told to use the magma bell to make the fight easier, but if you think just for a little bit, you stack the odds more in your favor. The runback ain't even that hard or long. I can't imagine what would players of that caliber even think of Groal or the runback to that bossfight. Just break your controller and write a negative review on Steam lol? Plus, you have two alternate ways of reaching ACT 2, so Last Judge shouldn't even be that much of a filter if you enjoy doing what metroidvanias are all about - exploration. Do better, simple as.
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since when is it confirmed the bell beast is a she?
>but the children
she could have just been the mother
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>>722581315
had a stroke please disregard this post
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>>722581291
I read this and i understand that you write that in good consciousness but i can't possibly avoid arguing against good faith when you accept so much abuse from the devs. I'm sorry but i just can't. I didn't even argue about alternatives, i just said that the choice to not give the kill to the player is done just to spite the player. The runback is also very retarded and there is no excuse for it.
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>>722581315
NIGGER READ >>722580396
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>>722581315
Highest IQ post ITT lmao
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>>722569201
in cut dialogue it's said that GMS trapped her to help hornet supposedly
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>>722581525
nta but you've already been trolled to fuck by hunter's march at that point you should be ready to pick up on cues for cheap shit and react
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>>722581525
Making a challenging game for people want want challenging games is not "abuse."
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>>722579213
Are you a spider? Because if, your ass could be a trustable source indeed
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>>722582005
Getting hit once a week as a child growing up is also not abuse to those raised in that kind of attitude. You have been lied to by the people who had to grow up with game which were extremely difficult because they had to grow up overcoming them so now you have to do so too.
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>>722580504
Do you really think all those ants were in that arena to listen to their queen sing!?
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>>722581315
>since when is it confirmed the bell beast is a she?
since 2020.12.31
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>>722578761
>Then the Unraveled? Why? The guy doesn't have much to do with silk
wat? it is literally a huge lump of angry silk
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>>722581315
perhaps the bell beast is just a bug discord user that just happened to find some kids to groom
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>>722582494
Please don't talk about that boss it makes me really anxious and hateful towards australians.
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>>722582173
Just like everyone who likes spicy food is mentally ill, right?
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>>722579258
>Not to mention that Unravelled is very veru missable, and that shouldn't be the case for key progression stuff like silk hearts.
It's absolutely crazy that for something as big as the silk hearts less people have found all of them than gotten all the fleas. And I guarantee that's because of how easily missable the Unravelled is
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>prison transport to pharloom
>place full of nasty spiders and bugs
>australian game
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>>722579258
>Unravelled is very veru missable
its not even hidden. there is a big lock on the floor so finding the key to unlock it seems obvious
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>>722569201
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>>722583432
Or both of the holes are her eyes
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>>722583339
>walk in, lock is early on in a hallway you only pass through once because after that you unlock the shortcut forward
>don't have area map yet, can't place a pin
>miss the hidden key room on your pass through the rest of the area
>forget there ever was a lock
>no reason to ever return to the area either besides the Sherma quest, which doesn't take you to either the lock or the key
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>>722579258
>key progression stuff like silk hearts
only 1 is key and that's why you get it so early
you don't need more than one to beat the game
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>>722578761
they couldn't put silk walls everywhere because then it would force you to equip that skill
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"Lost Lace" is a lame final boss, at least conceptually
She's not intimidating at all
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>>722583160
>Citadel is genociding weavers
>insane cult of personality
>everyone dying of sickness and blindly working for a fake dream
>elites are literally boasting about how they're just torturing the masses at this stage (Lace)
>dying coral reef
Confirmed for Australia.
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>>722584248
One thing I will say about Silksong is that narrative wise the game is not finished yet. It uses so many Godhome story elements and it not having a Godhome equivalent is probably the most telling sign of that.
I can see that TC wanted a basic ending for normies because the boss gauntlets are huge filters, and also because they aren't done with this game still.
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>>722584654
I'm looking forward to the godhome equivalent here way more than the one in HK, the bosses and combat in silksong are just way more fun
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>>722578761
>Hell, there's a bunch of silk walls before the beast (and then never again, wasted mechanic).
are you stupid? that is a one time check to make sure you got the silk spear. the game is linear up to that point. why would they continue checking if you have the silk spear later in the game when you were already forced to get it at the beginning (and you likely have other skills equipped later on). do you actually think about design at all before you post or are you just a drooling idiot thinking "there were silk walls at the start of the game why did they forget to keep putting them everywhere???"
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>>722584248
shes terrible both in terms of narrative and design. shes not established enough as a rival for me to care about a climactic fight with her, and that fight being the same as lace 2 with the only additions being the void attacks pasted onto every single enemy in act 3 is laughable.

literally the only people ive seen say anything good about lace are the gooners who want her and hornet to fuck because they get turned on by a featureless white blob
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>>722584730
>bosses in silksong are just way more fun
why do you people lie like this? just go back
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>>722584849
NTA but there's nothing for me to go back to.
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>>722584591
Oh and
>citizens are injected with silk and this is used to puppet them
wew lad.
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>>722584730
The full run of every boss and an enemy gauntlet from every zone is gonna be brutal, with how much more of everything Silksong has.
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>>722569201
Why did they rip off Zelda designs? Hollow Knight sucks
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>>722584849
I know I'm an outlier but I've gotten at least some enjoyment out of every boss, I even really enjoyed some that people seem to dislike like beastfly and father of the flame
>>722584954
it's going to be fucking brutal but way more fun than godhome to me at least
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>>722580115
>shade system
can't manage resources
>runbacks
stop dying
>input reading flying mobs
incapability to learn (you don't necessary need the clawline)
>Act 3
starting to feel like a buzzword nowadays
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>>722585149
the funny thing about this gif is this is a terrible route that exposed you to way more danger and tricky platforming than what is actually necessary. but even if you do it the way shown here it's still easy.
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>>722585149
>filename
even if you do it as quickly as possible (which you didnt, shitter), yes it is. no one outside of jobber redditors is saying its HARD, just that its an extra 30s of gameplay that serves no purpose whatsoever outside of wasting your time. not caring about a game not respecting your time means youre a slop guzzler
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>>722585527
You're playing a video game, if you don't want to engage with interactive media then that's your problem. Go watch the latest D+ slop show so you can turn your brain off like you clearly want to.
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>>722585149
I still find it funny that I found Phantom before this.
Especially because she's equally the best boss in the game with Sinner (though Sinner really fucks with my eyes for some reason so I was miserable for other reasons - it's the lack of colour and flashing bright whites).
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>>722585527
>serves no purpose
it serves multiple purposes. it creates a cool down period between attempts so you have to be cautious and locked in (contributes to immersion, excitement, engagement, etc). sometimes a boss runback makes it more difficult to brute force through something the player is not prepared for and encourages them to go elsewhere, whereas if you instantly respawn in the boss the player will always feel like they just have to sit tgere and grind the boss full throttle until they get it. and it encourages a careless playstyle throwing yourself at the enemy not caring about the risk, which is less enjoyable than the engaged/cautious/serious approach encouraged by the runback structure. it also creates some downtime to breathe so you aren't continuously at 100% and rapidly getting fatigued. there are design purposes for a runback and there's a reason that the entire genre does them beyond it wanting to make you upset for no reason, retard
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>>722586109
Is that the back of Groal?
Why did they patch that in?

The exploit made him super easy for me. Without the runback he's kinda garbage as a boss.
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>>722586109
No, that's just so you know that the place you're in is the same as the arena from the past.
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>>722569201
Tranny game
Troon troon tranny
Stop liking this troon shit.
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>>722586456
okay now list a non-tranny game so I can laugh at your shit taste
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>>722586585
Anything that isn't some tranny indie game. You're a tranny btw
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>>722586735
insecure fag lmao
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>>722586038
>>722586138
>i love slop because my streamer and reddit told me its good
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>>722586735
you are such a humourless faggot. please employ at least a little bit of wit or charm. i doubt you are even entertaining yourself with your nonsensical drivel
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Wow, what a lame fight. Just a big damage sponge that barely does anything other than summon more adds. This might be the worst boss in the game. Just so lame and boring. I was expecting something cool.
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>Clawline is useful as fuck, required for platforming, and OP in boss fights
>Difficult platforming sections (e.g. Mount Fay) want you to use it multiple times in quick succession
>But it costs silk
>Silk hearts fix this
>...except they take THREE FUCKING SECONDS to refill one pip of silk
>Second silk heart is hidden behind an obscure as fuck secret boss
>Third is right before the final boss
>You'll probably spend 90% of the game with only one, and won't be able to use Clawline multiple times in a row without an obnoxiously long delay
Dumbest fucking decision. Imagine how pissed off I was when I spent the second half of my playthrough screaming for another silk heart, then looking it up and learning that I could have had one WEEKS ago.
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>>722585408
yes, this is achievable natty

>>722585527
have you considered not dying? It will make it less tedious and not waste your precious time?
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>>722584248
On the other hand, Lace is consistently the best or near best boss fight in each act. She's such a good 1-on-1 duel boss that doing anything but pure nail and movement feels disrespectful, and I like the way her moveset advances by each Act. Am I bit disappointed the void attacks were just modifications of the base void attacks I've seen already? Yes. But the way they're changed to better fit, and better integrate, with her moveset, is good enough I forgive it. I think Lace 2 and Lace 3 are up there with First Sinner, Skarrsinger Karmelita, and Enraged Conchfly (bit of an out there pick I know but turns out I love the fast ones) as my favourite fights in the game.

They still haven't made a boss so purely amazing as Sisters of Battle yet. sadly, but I'm willing to hope for future expansions to rectify that, even if I'll probably have to slog my way past Savage Beastfly Duo or Primal Pinstress or whatever bullshit Team Cherry thinks of next.
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>>722587326
so youre saying the game is intended to have you beat most bosses first try? it doesnt sound very hard then, does it anon? but i thought everyone who was made about it was just a shitter who got filtered because theyre not a pro gamer who beats hard games like you?
which is it, faggot?
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>>722579308
>its getting nerfed in the next patch btw KEK
Rune Rage? I thought that was getting buffed, not nerfed.
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>>722584248
Lace sucks. Period. The only reason this character might work for you is if you're a) so mentally ill that even vaguely antropomorphic napkin doodles are enough to make you horny, or b) a mentally ill spoiled yet self-hating woman with parenthood issues who self-inserts as Lace.
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>>722587534
i could be wrong and i cant be arsed checking but im pretty sure i saw it was getting nerfed because everyones reactions were
>the one no one used because it was shit? fucking why?
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>>722587395
mogged by Phantom. Better duel, better voice, better design. Is not forced on me like that yuribait bitch
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>>722578761
Unravelled makes perfect sense, it's an amalgam of tortured souls and silk leftover from botched whiteward surgeries
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>>722580396
>tfw I've been playing every day since release night, and I'm still in act 2
Why? I've been savoring it like a fine wine. I'm almost done and ready for act 3 tho.
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>>722587534
>>722587605
It's only getting "nerfed" in the sense of fixing some places where you can manipulate platforms with it. Because fucking Trobbio is so fucking important they need to patch out every single possible way to skip the retard.
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>>722588473
>Kickstarter bullshit caused this
Just pay them back and tell them to fuck off.
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>>722587159
Funnily he gives the best item in the game.
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>>722579308
>>722588473
>>722587534
Where are you seeing these prospective notes?
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>>722587475
yes, there's a hardcore mode even. you aren't meant to die, or not that many times. Is someone living inside your head anyhow? I've never said the game was unbeatable hard, but only insulting some who were complaining about shards because they couldn't manage resources and runbacks are meant to punish individuals who are incapable of learning and adapt fast enough(resolves in too many failed runs and tedium). I've never said I was good nor better than anyone. In fact, a person who's bad can learn from the mistakes and be better than those with fragile delusions
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>>722584780
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>>722589090
Public beta test server.
>- Fixed Vaults slide blocks incorrectly responding to damage sources other than the needle.
This is to patch out the Trobbio skip that you can use with rune rage, so all the speedrunners said rune rage was getting nerfed, and word of mouth spread from there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH373bqbD54
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>>722589413
why must they be so foolishly hyperbolic
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Can I fight Pinstress in act 2? I remember seeing this map screenshot that showed her... floating in the air high up, in the middle of nowhere?
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>>722589738
Act 3
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>>722587102
>wit or charm
You mean like this troon game is completely devoid of?
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>>722589738
Nope. The events of act 3 are what prompt her to seek out a fight.
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>>722569201
Why is it and so many other things called "they" by Hornet, even when referred to with a gender by other characters? It feel like it's an attempt to make Hornet "safe" to genderspecials
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>>722574710
>They generally don't, they aren't meant to anymore.
You can establish Songclave before the gate is open, but I guess they could have taken the route through Bilewater
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>>722579457
You know, even though the explosion is pretty easy to see coming, I agree with you. There's a lot of troll shit in the game that's meant to kill you and make you redo things.
People often talk about games that don't respect their game, but Silksong doesn't just disrespect it, it actively weaponizes its disrespect.
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>>722580419
Goon was an actual word before everyone collectively decided it needed to become a term for degeneracy
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>>722591605
Those are pilgrims who were already in the Citadel, hence the Citadel attire on all of them.
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>>722583664
actually all 4 holes are part of a massive Jew schnoz
it spends all it's time burrowing underground like a mole, it would make sense that also like a mole it has virtually zero vision and relies on smell and touch.
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>>722591832
there are moments where i agree the game is not respecting your time, like some of the wishes that just require you to farm a particular type of enemy, that shit sucks. but when you're talking about stuff like bilewater, or the troll benches, or the last judge exploding, those things are ludo intended to create memorable experiences. i would gladly take more of that and less of "collect 20 mcguffins for a rosary necklace"
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>>722591993
I can't check right now but I don't remember them all having Citadel attire, especially since they're expressly referred to as downtrodden pilgrims (not Citadel recruits like the ones that fight you) and you have to get cloaks for them in a quest
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>>722592098
>ludo intended to create memorable experiences
It's still bullshit and there's still too much of it. They lean really heavily into the "hard = having to redo things a lot" idea spawned by Dark Souls
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My headcanon for the Silk Heart is GMS intentionally trapped the Bell Beast when she sensed Hornet coming.
Why were all the Bellways locked down anyway?
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>>722592250
Well, the ones who fight you only do so because of the haunting but yeah you're right there WAS that quest that had you collect clothes from haunted bugs that I completely forgot about. I don't know then.
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>>722592524
>Well, the ones who fight you only do so because of the haunting
True, but it's kind of unclear since it implies they're actively in service to the Citadel as well
>I don't know then.
It's pretty incredible they got there in the first place considering how dangerous the journey is, so I guess it's not unreasonable that they just got in the back way like Hornet does if the gate isn't open
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>>722578761
>the unravelled
>has nothing yo do with silk
Are you genuinely retarded or did you tell ChatGPT to write bait for you?
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>>722591468
It's a tranny-coded game.
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There really isn't enough sexy Silksong fanart that doesn't anthropomorphize the characters all the way.
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>>722592723
Made of silk is not the same as generating silk
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>>722592774
I wouldn't say that necessarily, I think it just tries too hard to be politically correct
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>>722578761
Lace 1 , Phantom , Lace 2
Phantom , Unravelled, Lace 2
Phantom, Lace 2 , GMS
Imo these are the 3 best candidates
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>>722578761
None of the silkhearts in the game come from things that generate silk, but from things that are full of it (Bell Beast covered in silk, Lace and the Unraveled are made of it).
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>>722575183
It's a boy's voice. And how is Sherma a female name? Just because it ends with "a"? Fuck off, spic, it's an obvious reference to the Sherpa mountain guides.
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>722594219
Mentally ill tranny needs to work on xer baiting.
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OH MY GOD I FOUND THE SECRET BENCH IN BILEWATER THANK FUCK I'M SO RELIEVED I WAS ABOUT TO DIE AAAHHH
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>>722591468
Because Hornet can't always tell. She encounters dozens of novel species in this game alone and has been doing this shit for at least centuries. If the devs wanted her to be particularly tolerant I don't think they would be having her call for genocide in her journal.
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>>722594456
You're the fucking tranny, spic, if you see a story about a young man fulfilling his duty and maintaining faith and immediately see it as "trans coded". Pike he literally becomes the pope in act 3.
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uh-oh, tranny melty
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Do I really need to beat pantheon of the knight and hallownest for 112%
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>>722595014
No, you only need to beat the 4th pantheon for that. You need to do the last one for the secret ending tho.
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>>722595014
Knight, yes, hallownest, no. You can beat knight and then go kill radiance normally (or even just the hollow knight) and get a 112% ending

If you're a faggot coward, anyway
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Did I fuck myself out of The Slab escape sequence? I only just found out about the cage guys triggering this entire prison escape, but I'm deep in Act 2 and just found a key to The Slab in Putrefied Ducts. I found the locations of the cage guys online but they're not there. I remember finding one above Deep Docks but I killed it. Is there something that stops them from spawning? Or is it just a rare chance they show up?
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I'm fucking retarded. Please give me a hint for these two fleas.
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>>722596243
One on the left is in an area called wisp thicket accessible from the top left of greymoor
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>>722596243
you have more exploring to do in the whispering vaults and upper graymoor
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>>722569201
I though this was Aron the pokemon
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>>722578470
It was probably actually Lace 1 before, but then they realised her fight was skippable and had to move it somewhere else, and just settled that the Bell Beast was just kinda randomly ensnared in silk, so the Silk Heart was there.
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>>722596416
Arigatou
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>>722570260
STROM AND GROM
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>>722595884
i think it's too late for you to get captured if you have the key from putrified ducts or of you've been to the slab on foot. i have dpne 100% three times and have mever got to experience getting captured which sucks because it sounds ludo as fuck. i am honestly a bit annoyed that they made the cage enemy so easy to avoid because you get punished with missing out on a cool section of the game unless you're a retard who just stands there and lets a big lumbering enemy cage you.
>mfw there is a remix of hornet's theme from the first game in the soundtrack and when i heard it i realized i had never heard it in-game
>look ot up akd the one and only place ot plays is in the slab arena but ONLY if you got there by being captured
what the actual fuck team cherry
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reposting because i'm seething hard
>find silksong "electric guitar" cover on youtube
>sounds pretty good
>sometimes the guitar sounds off though
>check description
>extremely obvious AI shit
>see channel
>1 month old, 330 "covers" including the majority of the silksong OST all posted in like 5 days
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk3-YFl03k4
i fucking hate AI pajeets and suno AI so much it's unreal.
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>>722580026
Phantom tried to kill Hornet immediately without any talking and decided to fight to the bitter end
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what is the point of shade cloak if you can't shade cloak through most projectiles
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>>722586118
Phantom's your reward for going off the beaten path and exploring instead of going on the beaten path
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>>722597335
You can
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>>722570260
Why aren't they called Foresiblings? What reason does Team Cherry have to deny representation like this?
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>>722577615
that's a child
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these fucking speedrunners and youtube niggers make pure vessel look easy
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>>722598113
every boss in the game is easy if you spend 30 minutes in godhome practicing it
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>>722569201
vrOoOoOoO
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>>722597489
It's especially nice since going through exhaust organ skips all of underworks and puts you right at the grand bellway which is such a better start to act 2 than the standard entrance
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>>722598386
not this faggot
the timings on his attacks are too tight and he gives you zero chances to heal
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>>722569201
Should I buy Hollow Knight or wait for a sale?
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>>722597983
Out of 10
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>>722598113
The trick to Pure Vessel is to Stay in the middle and jump before every attack, so you're in midair when it starts attacking.
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>>722598815
quick focus and not trying to heal for 2 every single time was mostly enough.
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>>722596330
>>722596416
Apparently Wisp Thicket has two connections to the areas above it, but I didn't find anything. Where are they?
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>>722598849
Just buy it. It’s not expensive.
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>>722597110
>easily swayed person liked something until they found out it's AI, then it immediately becomes "AI shit"
Many such cases
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>>722599083
They're one way, you have to go in through the bottom
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>>722599240
if it didn't start having weird and insanely distracted artifacts in the music i wouldn't even have bothered checking. also please don't tell me you think that "lace edm" remix actually sounds good.
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>>722587241
>weavelight
I did mount fay with 1 silk heart and weavelight

also flint slate
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>>722599505
I know, I was looking in the thicket.
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>>722599623
>please don't tell me you think that "lace edm" remix actually sounds good.
No, but you did.
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>>722599240
It's understandable when the person who's AI generating these don't say they are AI generated, and are often trying to profit off of this stuff on top of that.

Also someone "easily swayed" wouldn't even have found out an AI generated piece was AI by themselves in the first place.
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>>722599240
>ai shills itt
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>>722599745
>No, but you did.
i said i was liking how the "electric guitar" cover was sounding. the one i linked is an "edm" remix i found after browsing his channel and what cemented my suspicions.
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>>722594530
I swear she used "them" right after someone said "he" at least once. But I wouldn't stake my life on it.
>If the devs wanted her to be particularly tolerant I don't think they would be having her call for genocide in her journal.
Fair, but political correctness can strike in very specific ways and not always be applied evenly. It just needs one idiot with a chip on their shoulder
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>>722599745
Reading comprehension nigga. Takes 8 seconds to notice why "electric guitar" was specified in the original post.
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>>722600080
>it's this easy to make money off youtube
Holy shit
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>>722597489
I was retarded and completely forget I'd discovered a new area (Blasted Steps) so I thought going through Bilewater and the Mist was the "normal" route.
>>722598670
Do you have to do Underworks? I assumed you could climb the weird scale platforms and get in through the hole in the wall. Is it it only one-way?
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>>722597110
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk3-YFl03k4
this is 1000% suno ai, the others sound quite polished and good and can easily fool other people, but this one is the kind of thing that the free tier pumps out.
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>>722600243
a measly 2 thousand views doesnt get you jack shit anon
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>>722599689
how do you get this screen? die to moorwing and then move the flea caravan from the marrow without benching and then save and quit or die? that's cool
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>>722600243
I couldn't do this. Contributing to dead internet would weigh on my conscience too much. Feels dirty.
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>>722600372
>disingenuously ignoring the fact that the youtube poster did so for almost the entire album
are you the one posting these AI vids or what
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>>722600372
Eh, a few high number videos and 110 of these a month definitely could give the average pajeet 10 times their minimum wage
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Where the fuck is the 3rd fountain??
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>This is all me!
Grim

>>722600570
You definitely skipped the one in the middle of the pogo platforming.
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>>722600434
the game autosaves in a lot of places. Basically, any time it autosaves if you save & quit there's a pretty high chance that Hornet will be on the floor. Transporting fleas saves after you reach your destination (and before, but the "before" save saves before the fleas actually move)

Here's my favorite one so far.
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The Bilewater music gets better the more i listen to it. if this played in a frequently visited hub area, it'd eventually be counted among the best tracks like City of Tears or Cogwork Core.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9B86DuVyIg

Their shells are ours. Their souls are ours. Our hate is forever.
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>>722577615
They're siblings...
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>>722600672
also good
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>>722600662
bet that if you asked him to show a screenshot of his DAW files or a recording of himself playing he'd shit himself and delete your comment.
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>>722597032
Yeah, I assumed so. But now I'm even more butthurt knowing about that unique music, that's a real bummer. Oh well.
On the topic of missable content, how do I fight Shakra? Is there some dialogue that notifies when you can do it? I think I've got all her maps but this game is so huge I wouldn't be surprised if there is still another area somehow I haven't even touched.
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>>722600703
I LOVE Bilewater's music. Easily one of my favourite tracks in the whole game, it's amazing. So sad, but also surprisingly tender and warm underneath. Really highlights the sense of loss and yearning.
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>>722600672
>hornet has a raging alcohol problem and gets blackout drunk every time you save and quit without sitting at a bench
shame i hope she gets help
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>>722601071
sorry, shakra is another thing i have missed on all three 100% runs. i'm right there with you lol
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>>722601071
Have you done her quest?
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More like Troonsong
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>>722601117
it's not perfect. Quite a few times an autosave will just put you at your last bench even if you haven't sat at one
but, quite a few floor her, like chapel exits
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>>722597032
>unless you're a retard who just stands there and lets a big lumbering enemy cage you
or you played Bloodborne where there is an enemy that captures you and brings you to a completely new area
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>>722600672
>Hornet chooses to respect Pharloom's culture and observes the ways of the deprived pilgrims
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>>722601419
>MUH SOULS MUH ROLLSLOP MUH EPICAL FROMSLOPWARE CREATED GAMING
Shut. The FUCK. Up.
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>>722600662
>>722600959
Where???
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>>722601473
...?
Could you get off the website? This is a website for 18+, not children. That, or learn to read a conversation. Unless you have another example of a game where a wandering unique enemy captures you and takes you to another area?
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>>722601231
I'm gonna say no since she hasn't mentioned anything of the sort.
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>>722601585
I swear to god you Soulstrannies are fucking braindead
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do I just need the bud for the parasite quest or do I need to collect the purple things as well? I'm pretty confident about speedrunning this game, just wondering what is required and what isn't
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>>722601558
0:18, to your right. I told you nigga it was in the middle of the pogo platforming.
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>>722601558
You can clearly see a different bulb to bounce on at 18 seconds
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>>722601640
I guess the answer is no, then.
I didn't even say it invented the concept you fucking retard, I just said if you played this other thing you'd have been familiar with the concept. What a fucking baby, lmfao
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>>722601585
>Unless you have another example of a game where a wandering unique enemy captures you and takes you to another area?
Ironically, Dark Souls 3
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>>722601764
I did drop that game early.
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>>722601658
Okay I found it . I thought when you said "in the middle" you meant literally in the middle of the room, not halfway through the platforming.
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>>722586109
damn Karmelita really let herself go
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I am enjoying Beast more than I thought I would, I wish it had more slots though, did they think it was strong enough on its own or something
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just got the last memento. my save is truly complete now

kinda surprised how trivial the platforming in this was, i felt like some of the bosses like karmelita were much harder than any of the platforming sections
hardest platforming section for me was probably mount fay without finding any of the benches along the way, mainly because i had to repeat so much platforming every time i died. the surface section felt really easy otoh

t. anon who plays with analog sticks that have strong stick drift
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>>722601875
Yeah my bad G, hope you enjoy the fountain
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silksong is unironically 1000x easier than hollow knight just because you can actually heal
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>>722601638
It shows up on the Songclave wish board, asks you to go to Bilewater.
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>>722602735
standards for a difficult game in 2025 are very low compared to even 10 years ago.
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>>722596416
Well, those were almost embarrassingly easy to find. Too bad now I can't say I beat the game.
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>>722602759
Nah, it was my bad. I was being retarded. Also, rest in piss, buttmunchers.
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>>722602945
Engaging with the community about the game is part of the game. It's the entire reason souls games have message systems.
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>>722602874
Alright, then I'll just continue playing until it shows up. Thanks for the pointer anon
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>>722602695
I strongly suspect that during development it was stronger, perhaps with a greater upper limit on healing, and it quickly became an absolute monster of a crest that destroyed things, so they felt compelled to tone it down a lot. It's easy to see how hard it could've snowballed with the ability to just lifesteal tank stuff and they probably slightly overcompensated.
It's also available really early on, and it gets 2 immediate red sockets without need for memory locket investment. Red sockets are extremely powerful but I think this aspect gets overlooked because a lot of people will have already used a memory locket on hunter's second red slot.

Lifesteal is always extremely hard to balance well. I ended up playing the second ori game the other day and there's a lifesteal build in that which literally let me sit in the face of every boss on hard just attacking and sitting at max hp the entire time. You have to be so careful not to completely trivialize the game.
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>>722603025
>green guy says to please leave him alone so he can have a quiet peaceful moment with his dead gay incest lover
>hornet says "ok sure sorry i'll leave you alone"
>whips out her guitar and starts jamming
>invades his dream and inserts herself into his personal memories, starts giving unsolicited life advice
>"wtf are you doing in here get out of here"
>fuckin murders the guy and rips his beating heart out of his chest to mount it on her wall (she didn't even need it)
>leaves his body there to rot
what the FUCK was her problem? is she homophobic?
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>>722603372
Hornet's a femchud.
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>>722602735
>t. anon who plays with analog sticks that have strong stick drift
why
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>>722603372
she knows that it's for the greater good.
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>>722603639
it's the only gamepad i have. the dpad is broken
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>>722603372
Unrelated but is it me, or does the prince sound like he's French?
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>>722603695
there are easier ways to plant grass
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>>722603802
You think? He sounds kinda italian to me until he says "J'aQUN" or something idk i don't speak either language
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6l7XvQI6GtU
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>>722603372
>rips his beating heart out of his chest to mount it on her wall (she didn't even need it)
I used mine in The Old Hearts quest. Put the songstress' haeart on my wall instead.
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>>722603695
>tfw new verdania will be made out of fagplants
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>>722582494
It's not a "lump" of Silk, it's the entire damn pit full of Silk. The Conductor body you fight is just its strongest vessel. Hornet notes after beating it that it's still alive, and even she doesn't have the power to exorcise it from the pit it lives in. If you go back to the pit enemies will spawn in there constantly, that's the Unravelled still trying to kill you.
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>>722603991
||at least all the others are either already dead or on death's door and actively consent to giving up their heart. green prince seems like he is still relatively in his prime and actively asks you to leave him alone. alsp the shamans never even suggested taking his heart, hornet has that idea completely on her own and the shamans are even surprised when you do it||
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>>722603802
The poetic he talks and his poses kinda reminded me of pic related.
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>>722603372
What's funny is that he was asking Hornet from the very beginning to leave him the fuck alone and even though Hornet tried her usual polite talk with him several times throughout the story he was always either keeping his distance ("good luck out there" "yeah unless we both die") or straight up not having it ("well at least your lover is free and the citadel has fallen" "okay, and everything i love is still dead so what?"). He never really liked Hornet.
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>>722604261
Anon, this is a safe space. You can tell me. Do you do the discord spoiler notation because you're ignorant, or is this a bit? You have to tell me if it's a bit.
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>>722604380
it's definitely a bit.
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>>722604380
i'm high on mescaline and i forgot which platform i was on. sorry
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>>722604476
this is why the cacti cannot be trusted
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>>722603991
I like having the gay hearts decorate my room. It's a nice trophy. The other hearts deserve to be used for a good cause.
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I'm at 96%. Is there anything worthwhile at 100%?
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>>722598957
>just jump above him bro
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With how tall the hollow knight characters are, how far would I have to dig to reach the void? Like 20 feet?
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>>722604261
the green prince had lost quite literally everything, his lover, his position, his people, and his land. he was probably planning on dying on that cavern anyway.
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>>722604554
nothing special specifically happens at 100%
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>>722603025
>>722603695
Where do you find the green guy in act 3? I explored all the map, got the three main quest hearts + side quests, including the mushroom but he hasn't appeared anywhere.
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>>722604357
If you scale him down to their size, Spiderman is much weaker than Hornet or even the First Sinner.
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>>722604620
I was expecting there to be a true ending or something. The act 3 ending feels like it's lacking.
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>>722604634
Hint: your search for the place where you can use the Craw Summon will likely lead you to that place by accident
Answer: to the rightmost area in greymoor
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>>722604561
on the first attack you double jumped for no reason and put yourself in a compromised position. all the other hits you just failed to dodge. seems pretty straightforward. try to do less unnecessary movement to keep your options open
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>>722604634
East of Craw Lake.
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>>722603306
>Lifesteal is always extremely hard to balance well.
In Ender Lilies, lifesteal was OP as fuck. They tried to nerf it in Ender Magnolia by splitting it into two sepaprate charms andmaking them expensive as fuck, but everyone just used it anyway, and it's still the most OP strat.
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>>722604616
yeah well when you lose a loved one in a car accident or your house burns down i'll just murder you with a katana since you're probably really sad anyway
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>>722604729
>I was expecting there to be a true ending or something
But there is?
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>>722604729
i agree it feels like something is missing in the endgame. i think they will do more endings in DLC like they did in HK
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>>722604827
if i was a king and all my people had been murdered, my hometown ravaged, my friends and my lover dead, and the people responsible were long gone, i don't think i'd have any reason to want to keep living.
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>>722604871
Hmm, I guess I'm missing something because when I tried to leave through the top, Hornet just said "I'm not done yet" or something.
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>>722604973
well i'm not going to personally make that decision on your behalf and keep your heart as a trophy, because i'm not a deranged alcoholic like hornet.
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What are they feeding these artists they're so many
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>>722605226
i don't understand what this is
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>>722604561
Jump and pogo for the triple slash, you'll parry it surprisingly consistently.
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>>722605314
It's in the fucking picture
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>>722605314
Twitter meme, saying that the person will do X/artist will draw X if a certain threshold of retweets/likes is hit within a particular timeframe.
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>>722605431
i don't know what a kiss list is or what these twitter symbols mean here. there is some kind of context to this that i'm not online enough to know about.
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>>722600305
>>722597489
>>722586118

Going the Phantom route kind of ruins the start of Act 2 though. All the buildup with ringing the 5 bells and the Last Judge, the cutscene and crossing the bridge, and then the rug pull with the elevator collapsing and trapping you in the Underworks with no way back and now benches cost money, followed by the climb up through the silent and dead Choral Chambers until you meet Lace, the population is reanimated and the music starts. I feel like missing that sequence is as bad as missing the Slab prison break.
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>>722605226
Styx a good boy, he deserves a kiss from missstress
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>>722605226
>no GMS
Our Grandest of mothers deserves love too
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>>722605553
Easy way to bait out engagement, if more people retweet and like the post they get the "better" stuff, though usually it's making girls take off more and more clothing
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>>722605552
so hornet is going to draw those characters? and she is upset that styx is on there?
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>>722605226
The straighter your art is, the more likely you are to play wanderer ?
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Hornet if she real.
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>>722603306
If you're against anything that stands still long enough to hit it multiple times in a row, Beast is still incredibly powerful. It lets you dish out tons of damage and heal as fast as they damage you. Anything that blocks or can avoid you while still dealing damage, though, isn't going to be a good time.
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>>722605773
also why is hornet using twitter and who is forcing her to do this against her will. this is such a confusing image
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>>722601558
>>722603025
>goes from hunter to wanderer for the boss fight
WEAK
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>>722605829
Hornet may be a slut, but she's not THAT level of slut.
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>>722605639
>followed by the climb up through the silent and dead Choral Chambers until you meet Lace, the population is reanimated
Yeah, I definitely missed all that. Seems like a major oversight actually. Why couldn't they have had Lace appear further up or something?
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>>722605829
>Pedoshit
>Slop
>Human
>Needle the size of a butterknife
this was fished out of the maggot infested ducts of bilewater
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>>722605639
>trapping you in the Underworks
That place is completely optional though. The only reason people go in there is because it's unclear that you can hit the platforms in the grand gate from underneath to get yourself up into the main area.
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>>722605993
I didn't like Cogwork Dancers so I didn't feel like doing the boss again and I didn't feel like doing the runback across the whole map so I just wanted to get it over with.
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>>722606132
Also
>Blonde
Either jet black or pure white, anything else is shite
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>>722587241
You get silk back from hitting the enemies, it's a non issue t. climbed the mountain with just 1 silk heart
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>>722573862
Wasn't there also a third pre-weaver era?
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>>722605226
Passed around
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>>722603372
>>722603695
Isn't this outcome presented as a good thing? The guy laments he didn't manage to be there with his lover during the latter's demise, and you inadvertently deny him closure by soloing the Cockwork Dancers as well. By invading his memories you give him one last dance with a projection of his lover and he goes out with a bang.
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>>722605553
You're on /v/, you're online enough
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>>722605226
Styx is cute! CUTE!
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what is the point of the green gay? He does nothing but whine and hornet just stands there awkwardly until she decides to kill him for no reason. Also everyone outside of the english version thinks they're incestous.
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>>722606132
>Pedoshit
You're a redditor.
>Slop
It isn't.
>Human
It's a cosplay.
>Needle the size of a butterknife
It's the size of a one-handed sword.
>this was fished out of the maggot infested ducts of bilewater
So were you.
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>>722606415
it's not an issue but it's just obnoxious design that kills the flow, especially in parts where you actually want to keep your silk with no enemy around
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>>722603025
>if you get filtered by ant queen you can commit a homophobic hate crime to beat the game
What did team cherry mean by this?
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>>722587241
bwo your weavelight?
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>>722606785
Karmelita is such a fun fight. How could anyone get filtered by it?
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>>722606937
Well for starters she's tougher than the other three bosses combined.
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>>722606937
No one really got filtered, they're all around the same completion rate though she is the lowest of the main 3, the Princes are lower but they're hidden away
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>>722588868
I already forgot what he dropped. He was like the last thing I did before finishing.
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>>722606937
it is really fun but i do think it's the hardest fight in the game and it's not very close. she's the only boss that took me more than like four tries and it was more like 10-15 attempts
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>>722606637
>Finding him dead in Steel Soul run
Sadness
>Learning about the secret room above him
Okay, maybe he deserved it.
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>>722569201
I think it's a girl. Actually, most enemies are chicks.
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>>722597032
I got got by being caught off guard by the spitting attack that sticks you in place, I'm pretty sure you can't escape it in time to avoid getting caged
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why the fuck does hornet kill the green knight
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>>722606221
It's not "optional", it's "avoidable". The vast majority of people won't realize you can hit the scales (or at least not check that before checking the elevator), and of the people who do check, most won't notice the crack in the wall. You're supposed to be trapped, that's the default route.
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>>722606512
i think it is narratively intended to be a good thing but everything is there to have a pretty comical reading of it where the guy is just asking to be left the fuck alone and hornet the murderhobo has other plans
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>>722604871
why is mr mushroom's eyes so weird, and why does the mask maker unmasked have the same eyes
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>>722607329
"My dad hates fags"
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>>722607556
they are beings with a different level of perception
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>>722598670
But falling into the underworks right after opening the grand gate is such a great piece of storytelling, especially when you realize that the elevator was going there anyway and the fact that it broke didn't change anything for you.
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>>722607226
It's not really clear if all those masks come from bugs he has hunted himself, are taken from random corpses, or were made by the mask maker
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>>722607176
I guarantee you most of the people beat her with abusing poison tacks and cogflies probably with architect even.
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>>722607629
Presumably if it didn't break you could just use it to go back up
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>>722605226
second sentinel is cute as fuck, slept on
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>>722607815
And then what? Unless you know about the hole in the wall the only way forward is through the underworks.
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>>722607340
Avoidable means optional, but yes it's got all the game design traps of funneling you down a specific path because you don't have the knowledge for it yet.
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I enjoyed Hollow Knight more. The highs felt higher (the coliseum, the climb from the birthing place, flying like a rocket through long horizontal distances, the final bosses), even if the plot wasn't exactly amazing either.
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I regret overlooking the Snitch Pick for so long. I thought it was just a really expensive bead farming tool but it also makes your clawline hit 3 times instead of 2. I shrekt the First Sinner with it alone.
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>>722608403
I'm just saying the fact you're stuck down there makes it more impactful so the elevator has to break, if you could just go back at any time it wouldn't work
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>>722597489
>>722598670
Not really, the maze with the rape banshees is clearly meant to dissuade you from exploring further that direction and look for a clue on how to solve the maze elsewhere and only return once you've exhausted most of your options for exploration, and since you need double jump for Bilewater the only way is Blasted Steps. Skipping Last Judge and the entrance to the Citadel really diminishes the experience and I feel like the people that went the Phantom route are just coping with ruining their blind playthrough.
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>>722608453
i love both games although i definitely see that there is a particular charm of the original that wasn't quite recaptured. although I am optimistic that the DLCs will round it out and make it feel more whole, the DLCs for the first game were very good and i didn't play that game before all the DLCs were released
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>>722608453
>flying like a rocket through long horizontal distances
I honestly did miss crystal dash. Superjump is cool but I wanted a horizontal dash too.
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>>722583432
HOL' UP
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>>722608536
Fair enough, I was just talking about how you were going to end up in the underworks either way and it's the same for every pilgrim who comes there. That after the arduous climb the pilgrims have to endure they then have to prove their devotion further by slaving away in the underworks for less than meager pay with pay-per-use benches and how the whole place is designed to keep workers stuck there.
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i don't know how but it feels like the lore of Silksong is somehow more stingy and vague than HK despite the story being more straightforward

i still have no clue wtf was up with the weavers and the early citadel and the haunting despite 100%ing the game. yes HK was a bit vague too but not nearly as vague and it worked for its story. Silksong is weird in the sense that the basic story seems infinitely more straightforward and simple but somehow feels more amorphous

anyone else think this way?
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>>722608453
I didn't. Hollow Knight was honestly kind of boring for the most part because it was far too easy and mechanically too simple. The world design in HK was better but Silksong improved on the gameplay tremendously. The sexy bugs are also a welcome addition.
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this fight sucks ass
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>>722609049
What's with the UI
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>>722609138
skin mod
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>>722609049
You dashed into the same direction it was going.
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Did anyone else find this game's design both shallow and pedantic?
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>>722608943
We know the events but I don't really understand the timeline.
>GMS ascends the Weavers
>the First Sinner turns on GMS and GMS seals her for it
>the Weavers manage to seal GMS and rule Pharloom
>the haunting begins and eventually the Weavers dip, either go into hiding or leave like Herra
>the Conductors take over governance alongside the Vaultkeepers and the Architects
>the haunting proceeds to destroy the kingdom
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>>722607556
They can see Mount Tai
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>>722608943
yes, there's both a lack of belief in the world / environmental storytelling, and a lack of confidence in their own narrative
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>>722609049
Dash INTO the attack, dumb-dumb.
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MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>722609237
>>722609536
if you dash into the attack and he does a follow up not only do you not have shade cloak but you also don't have time to jump, guaranteeing you take damage :^)
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>>722609387
This is maybe a bit unfair but it feels like Team Cherry did a bit of a rugpull with Pharloom and the Weavers.

>Hallownest is a dead kingdom so it makes sense for it be dreary and barren and in disrepair... but Pharloom is a living kingdom, so stay tuned for a different type of adventure!
>Pharloom ends up being kind of a dead kingdom in disrepair too, with its supposedly lively and populated zones no more lively than the infected zones in Hallownest

>Deepnest and the Distant Village are empty and the Weavers are absent... but Silksong is going to be about the Weavers and Hornet's spider nature, so stay tuned for that!
>Oops, the Weavers are gone again and we still know next to nothing about them haha!
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>>722608739
Yeah, Hornet's base movement feels much better than the Knight's but not getting a super dash or anything until the last 15% of the game was kinda weird and even when you do get it it only opens a couple new routes and doesn't even let you shortcut that much since most of the really long vertical climbs have stuff in the way anyway.
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the heart fights are buck breaking me
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Gonna stick this in your thread.
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>>722607340
>most won't notice the crack in the wall
Does the map tell you? You get the map at the top of that room and I just assumed it showed the passage
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>>722609849
Stick it up your ass.
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>>722609049
>this fight sucks
>look inside
>did something retarded
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>>722609849
FOR GODS SAKE SHUT THE FUCK UP
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>>722609849
I just did this sidequest and holy hell that was a surprise. Waking up not knowing what the fuck happened and organically having to figure out what to do felt great, even if the reward isn't actually something I would ever use.
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I hate Lace and i REALLY hate how they used her three fucking times. What a shit ass final boss, that's actually so fucking lazy
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>>722609995
stfu
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there isn't any fight in silksong as kino as PV or NKG (yet)
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>>722610334
>bait
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>>722610334
You could have parried that if you pogod after jumping
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>>722609849
>that glitch where the crying continues during gameplay even after you've closed the menu
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>>722604768
Found and slayed, thanks bros
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so where was the Hollow Knight's shade in the ending? does its absence point towards Embrace the Void being canon?
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>>722609672
just fucking do a down slash, you're very likely to pogo him or parry him.
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Fleas aren't furry
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>>722610334
>boss prepares to slap your face
>you keep attacking
>get hit
>omggg what was i supposed to doooo
are these people serious
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>>722609701
>and we still know next to nothing about them haha!
But that's literally not true? We know everything about them. Weavers, aka spiders as we know them didn't exist naturally, silk comes entirely from GMS and the Weavers came into being by GMS putting her silk into those small, rabid fuckers with blade feet and turning them into effective demigods.
Sure, we don't know the details but we know what they are, where they come from and what happened to them.
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>>722608453
I miss Zote and thats it. He was fun character and his appearance at the end of Coliseum is my favourite HK moment
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>>722611252
The only thing we don't know is why Herra looks so different.
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>>722611072
Yes they are.
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>>722569201
Does anyone else find the boss fights in the game to be pretty boring? I'm at the end of Act 2 now, and bosses have felt incredibly predictable. As long as I keep a cool head, I can usually beat a given boss in 2-3 attempts. The only bosses I have had any trouble with are the Last Judge with her breakneck attacks, and Groal's tedium. Otherwise, bosses feel more like long and tiresome tests of endurance than a 'dance,' as other anons have described them. I don't find these fights fun or challenging.

Does this improve in Act 3?
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First game is better because you could actually beat it without ripping your hair off out of frustration. Metroidvania is a fake shitty genre for posers who think that being good at games is anything to be proud of. Music is alright though.
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>>722611384
No, they aren't
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>>722609701
did you play the game? everything you say has no answer, has an answer.
also pharloom is far more lively.
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90% of the Bilewater hate is because too many players went too early to the area and got buckbroken. Groal is still mediocre though.
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>>722611524
>Otherwise, bosses feel more like long and tiresome tests of endurance than a 'dance,'
>he's a Wandererpleb
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>>722589252
>you aren't meant to die, or not that many times
But you are meant to do this, shitter/ And you know it. Go play slop and enjoy your coprophagia
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>>722611524
The only bosses I've found tedious are the beastfly, the unraveled and nyleth.
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>>722612018
but most people are crying about groal, which requires double jump, so "went too early" is false
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>>722612018
You literally can't go to Bilewater "too early" because it requires the double jump. People are just bad.
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Got raped by tormented Trobbio for 2 hours award.
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>>722607184
Money generator
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>>722612053
No, mostly Hunter, with the occasional use of Reaper if the longer range proves beneficial. I don't feel most bosses provide a real challenge, given that you play a bit more cautious. But maybe that sort of mindset is ruining the game for me.
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>>722612224
The dude could not telegraph every single attack more if he tried. Took 1 attempt.
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>>722612224
Beat him in 3 tries but he's one of the worst bosses in the game by far.
Absolute visual diarrhea with constant AoE spam. Just an atrocious boss.
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>>722612406
i noticed that trobbio goes into tornado mode almost instantly, but otherwise he's properly telegraphed.
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>>722612150
Nyleth is just tool spam and clawline spam in the second phase. Longpin my beloved.
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>>722612196
>which requires double jump
Are you sure about that? Do not do Groal before double jump and zero nail upgrades unless you're a degenerated masochist like I am.
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>>722612472
you must not like lost lace if you don't like visual diarrhea such as black on black in a dark arena
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>>722612475
Yeah, coming to terms with the tornado is where the real challenge comes from. Just required me to play the flight a bit slower.
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>>722612601
i genuinely don't see how people had trouble seeing in lost lace's fight. did some people fight with brightness turned as low as possible with the sun directly hitting their monitor or something?
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>>722612590
How do you even do the double jump required to access the rest of Bilewater? Unless you used Volt Vessels to break the other side of Bilewater to fight him early.
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>>722610256
That's my main problem with it as well. The reward is shit. The crest has the biggest downside of any crest and it doesn't come with ANY upsides.
I feel like Wanderer and Witch should have been combined.
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>>722612775
Because that actually fits his definition?
>Spams AOE shit
>Teleports in the chaos, sometimes within said aoe shit (and sometimes on your path as you're dodging said shit)
>Sometimes from outside the screen
>It's black on black stuff
I beat her, this is not even a question of fair unfair, it's straight up dogshit (+ reused boss)
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Green Prince is about how gay people are dramatic narcissists.
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>>722612590
Just get in the water and he can't even hurt you
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Beast would be my second favorite crest if it actually had goddamn blue slots.
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>>722612992
it feels like your post is trying to reply to two posts simultaneously. at any rate i was just saying how it surprised me to see so many people saying they couldn't see in her battle because the only real issue i had with it was lace telefragging me every time i tried running away which forced me to consciously remember i shouldn't run too far, or jump.
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>everything does double masks including contact damage with a fucking stunned boss
>"reward" for exploration is some incredibly gay area with tuned up mobs and obnoxious platforming that might lead to an alcove with 15 rosary beads
>bosses were designed around the gayest runbacks possible
>crest/tool system is absolute dogshit, you basically have pre-made classes to pick from instead of being able to buildcraft
>new healing system sucks ass
>enemy gauntlet room every 3 feet
>most bosses just spam adds while shimmying back and forth across the screen
>Act 3 is all of this but worse
What a terrible, unfun game this was.
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>>722613248
Elden Ring but made by Australians. Every fight is hard for the sake of being hard and the platforming and exploration is sadistic and a waste of time. 7 years for a giant middle finger to the fans.
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>>722613248
>new healing system sucks ass
This alone blows your cover
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Trobbio has the most obnoxious faggot fans but that makes sense because Trobbio is an obnoxious faggot. The regular Trobbio fight is fun but the Tormented version is objectively one of the worst fights in the whole game but these faggots will die on the hill of defending it because he's an obnoxious faggot just like them.
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>>722613520
It's simultaneously a shit system and trivializes most encounters because you can just run away, jump, and heal in midair.
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>>722613248
>crest/tool system is absolute dogshit, you basically have pre-made classes to pick from instead of being able to buildcraft
It's even more dumb since they locked the nodes of crests behind memory lockets, only used individually.
Could have used a more general progression system with that would unlock 1 slot unlocked every 5 lockets collected (5/10/15/20) for every crest at once, and it would have been way easier to try on new stuff. Meanwhile the game gives 0 tip as to what you've missed, not even zone completions, so you skip some crests completely until you finally give in and check on the online map.
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>>722613731
It's not a very fun fight but it's also not even one of the hardest in the game
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>>722613520
He's right. Silksong healing is far too good.
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>>722607329
It was just a joke.
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>>722613731
I didn't notice any difference between the two fights mainly because the 2nd fight went by very quickly. I expected a bit more, but it was basically pic related.
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>>722569201
How did the Knight escape the Void in the first game?
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>>722613832
Karmelita is one of, if not the hardest fights in the game and it is also one of the most fun fights out there. It's not about difficulty. An easy fight can still be shit and unfun.
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>>722613889
He had the dung defender charm equipped and they threw him out.
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SHIT
BOSS.
good bosses do not punish you for playing aggressive if you know their moveset
this faggot has undodgeable attacks if you don't play like a pussy and jump around the middle of the screen
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>>722587159
What boss is this?
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why is there a guy in this thread live tweeting his hk playthrough and whining like a bitch
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>>722614038
Crawfather.
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Just escaped the rising lava after the abyss and beat the ant queen on my first try. How much more of the game is there?
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>>722614104
Where does one find him?
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>>722613248
>boss retry mod

No runbacks. Works for gauntlets too

>infinite jump mod

To get past the joke vertical platforms

The game isn't actually challenging. They are trolling you, so I will troll them with mods

>YOU'RE JUST BAD! INB4 I SPENT 100 HOURS POGO'ING THE SAME SECTION ON MY SWITCH SO YOU SHOULD DO! GIT GUD! *flagellates self*
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>>722613731
what difference is there between the fights other than the explosions doing an X shape and the tornado leaving a trail?
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>>722614139
You will know.
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>>722614139
Act 3 Greymoor
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>>722613767
I think the color coding shit is retarded too because it makes an already limited system even more limited. Some crests don't even have slots for certain colors. People defend it by saying removing the color coding would make tools too broken, but that's why the fucking devs should actually test and balance their shitty game.
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Watched a boss ranking video and the guy only used the wanderer crest so I disregarded the entire video.
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>>722614004
He's fun, you just have to know his moveset and you can stay in his face, the charge is the only real exception
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>>722614113
If you only care about objectives, 2 more hearts + the final boss. If you wanna see more, tons of bosses and side quests and possibly a 4th extra heart with its own full area
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>>722614171
>just cheat bro
Soulstrannies, everyone.
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I forgot how good of an area Kingdom's Edge is.
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>>722614346
Tons?! How do I not miss all that content?
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>>722614372
i don't care about people using mods to beat games but the fact he needed one for the platforming is hilarious to me because the platforming in silksong is super mild.
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>>722613889
The Abyss is a massive underground area that extends infinitely. Him and other vessels just kept exploring until they found an exit to the surface somewhere.
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>>722614427
Better than anything in silksong.
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>>722612475
He can enter the tornado really fast, but aside from blocking hits that doesn't do anything since he doesn't move for a bit afterwards, even if you attack right as he goes into it you can jump and pogo on his head regardless.
Also he can't hit you if you stand in the very corner of the arena for some reason, it looks like he bounces off the wall but the hotbox never actually reaches it.
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>>722614004
>good bosses do not punish you for playing aggressive if you know their moveset
then why are you calling pv a shit boss?
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>>722614501
>The Abyss is a massive underground area that extends infinitely
No, it's just a big and empty corridor in SS.
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>>722614482
The hardest platforming bit is the Cradle if you're going for the Mister Mushroom ending and that's only because it's the only time in the game that you have to do the
>jump
>dash
>jump again
>clawline from opposite side
gimmick to progress and they just refused it like 500 fucking times for that section.
All the mandatory platforming is basic as fuck. Still usually fun, but incredibly tame compared to some of the shit they expected you to do in Hollow Knight, let alone Path of Pain tier autism.
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>>722614704
Incredibly tame, that's why they punish you with 2 damage if you fail something. Almost all game long.
>Back to hitting the fucking worms
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>>722614840
there's no stage hazard besides lava that does 2 damage.
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>>722614004
i am about to boot up hollow knight for the first time in years to no-hit this boss and post a clip to mog you if you bitch one more time
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>>722614427
>>722614527
I was waiting all game for Silksong to have a moment as good as entering City of Tears for the first time and it never came.
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Opinions on archer crest for the dlc?
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>>722613889
The Abyss is supposed to be much much bigger than it ended up being in-game, and has all kinds of winding paths and cracks in the earth through which vessels could theoretically escape from. There was supposed to be an obscure in-game path leading from Nosk's lair to the Abyss, which is why you can see some vessel corpses in his lair. But it never made it into the final game.
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>>722614903
Shut the fuck up patchshitter.
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>>722614903
Are you high or something? Most things do 2 damage. Saws, worms, spikes... It'd be faster to list what DOES NOT do 2 damage.
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>>722614936
have fun spending hours
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God damn /v/ got fuckin exposed by this game. Absolute shitter city over here
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>>722614949
personally i got that when i got to choral chambers and everything was quiet, and then everything comes back to life and the music hits. exquisit.
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>>722614936
IT'S A SHIT FAGGOT BOSS AND YOUR MOTHER WAS CHEATING ON YOUR KEK FATHER THE ENTIRE TIME THEY WERE MARRIED
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>>722614903
>>722615003
Oooooh nevermind, sorry I actually didn't play past the first patch since I beat it before. Oops.
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>>722614427
>when you find out the wyrm's body spans the entirety of KE and then some
holy kino...
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>>722615003
The game patched all that out less than a week after release. Also the only """tough""" platforming that was surrounded by 2 damage hazards originally was the cogwork core.
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>>722615106
>When you find Bardoon
K I N O
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>>722614004
>this faggot has undodgeable attacks
How the fuck did you get this far while having no idea about how to use the shade cloak properly?
It fucking breaks the game, you can just stick to bosses and dash through them to evade 90% attacks
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>>722615019
The citadel intro cutscene was really awesome and seeing Choral Chambers being brought back to life with the silk threads was amazing. The OST really did its job there.
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>>722614949
That's kinda the problem I think. Because we're expecting to be wowed, nothing in the game is going to meet that quiet atmosphere that came from Hollow Knight.
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>>722615123
Yeah I forgot, but it still was true that most things did 2 damage, even though yes clockwork was one of the most difficult area to do in the main stuff (+ act 3's escape), while cradle was difficult but mostly annoying to get silk with the worms.
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>>722615018
>/v/ when they have to press anything other than R1 and a invincible button
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>>722615123
>patched
You didn't beat the game. Hell, you didn't even start it.
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>>722615245
fucking moron the boss attacks so fast that it goes through shade cloak's cooldown, no shit if you had infinite dodges you can easily kill this faggot
but you don't, and if you use your shade cloak to dodge every one of his attacks he ends up hitting you with a few specific undodgeable combos unless you spend 5 minutes jumping around the center of the screen and pecking at him
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>>722615018
A game being bad just means it's bad, no one was exposed except for the hacks at team cherry.
>>722615019
Choral Chambers is a cluster fuck of an area where exploration forced down your throat and doesn't feel fun and where you do nothing but platforming while some little guy is throwing bells at you you with a lingering hitbox and another guy hits you into spikes.
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>>722615416
No it doesn't you dumb sack of fucking ugly shit, watch the video again >>722614313
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>>722614936
i'm actually gonna do it myself regardless of whether he bitches or not because i simply love that fight. give me 10 minutes (5 to figure out how to reduce video quality with ffmpeg)
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I thought Tormented Trobbio was really fun...
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>>722615420
lmao filtered shitter
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>>722615416
Why are you here lying and then ignoring everyone proving you wrong? Just shut up nigga.
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>>722615468
>posts a video of you jumping around the center of the screen
>proves me right
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>>722614313
>Knight uses Rune Rage
>it's a fucking useless skill that misses every single hit all the time
VGHHHH....KVNO....
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>>722615420
i didn't ask for your opinion.
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>>722615019
Yeah the entrance into the Citadel and seeing everything awaken was cool, but that's where the wow factor of the Citadel kind of ended for me. Music was great though.
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>>722611351
She just has a fat ass
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>>722615591
>this boss is bad because if you do a winning strategy you beat it!!
>see? you did a winning strategy
that's hilarious
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>>722615547
I beat absolute radiance in the first game, maybe you are projecting and just have sunk cost fallacy.
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>>722615591
https://youtu.be/s4QVgbDEcjo?si=Ih_f_V98Ns4qd7X3&t=16
thoughts?
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I am extreme lorelet. Can someone tell me if what I have here is more or less correct? I'm probably missing a lot of the holes to fill this in.

>Hollow Knight
In the Hollow Knight universe, there are species that can grant sentience to life. Pale King, Radiance, and Grandmother Silk all belong to this. Before the Pale King arrived in Kingdom's Edge, there was a tribe of moths that were given sentience by the Radiance and they worshipped her. The Pale King then came and created Hallownest and gave sentience to most of the living species that we encounter there. People begin to worship the Pale King instead of Radiance. This upsets the Radiance, so she begins to infect bugs' minds with some sort of infection that targets emotions and thoughts which is what turns them insane in the first game. To counteract this, the Pale King sought to make empty vessels devoid of any sort of emotion or thought so that the Radiance couldn't infect it and thus contain it. This is the Hollow Knight from the first game, but because the Pale King raised him he developed emotion making him an impure vessel. The rest of the potential vessels were then seen as unneeded and so he sealed off the Void but obviously some get out because we play as one. The Hollow Knight is locked inside the Black Egg Temple which is itself locked by the three Dreamers holding the Radiance. The Hollow Knight starts stabbing itself when you fight it because it wants to help you kill the Radiance.

>Silksong
Grandmother Silk is the Pale King equivalent of Pharloom. The Weavers are native to Pharloom and then stage a coup against Grandmother Silk for reasons that I'm unsure of. Grandmother Silk is locked away which causes Pharloom to decay because her silk is no longer being produced. Weavers then flee to other lands (like Hallownest). To restore Pharloom, the remaining bugs go around capturing bugs that are either full or part Weaver to produce more silk which is why the game starts with Hornet being kidnapped.
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>>722615420
Why don't you take a break and try again later?
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>>722615591
Are you blind or just fucking stupid?
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>>722615627
If you don't want to hear opposing opinions then simply don't post, you fucking disgusting, fat, ugly, worthless, braindead sack of fuck. You should be fucking murdered.
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>>722615749
>parrying
let me guess, no boss in elden ring is hard because if you spend hours practicing perfect parry timings you can no hit all of them at level 1?
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>>722580081
>They're called Judges for a reason. The pure get to pass, like Sherma.
This. Dataminers found that judges don't attack you if you didn't harm anyone. But there is currently no known way to do pacifist run to last judge because killing moss mother and widow is mandatory.
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>>722615736
Sure you did buddy
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>>722615736
sure ya did ole champ we all totally believe you little buddy
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>>722615591
literally every single bossfight ever created rewards you for not letting the boss back you into a corner
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>>722615984
i'm glad your retarded internet tough guy fantasies are distracting you from your suicidal thoughts anon.
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>>722615997
You just keep moving the goalposts because you suck ass at the game and are getting mad that everyone is BTFOing you. It's simultaneously funny and sad.
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Reminder that you can get the Double Jump before the Clawline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC9LS9KuCJo
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>>722616221
I accept your concession.
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Careful, don't make him whip out the tranny pics folder
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>>722615796
>The Hollow Knight starts stabbing itself when you fight it because it wants to help you kill the Radiance.
I see this stated as gospel but it could also be Radiance desperately trying to release the infection now that it's unchained is about to get reabsorbed. He stabs himself and suddenly is exploding with infected orange shit.
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>>722616267
>concessionposting
You lost. Go cry about it on Reddit.
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>>722616293
Holy SOVL
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>everyone is currently thinking you're a clown
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Whoever called the Karmelita fight a dance either never no-hit nightmare king or/and never danced. This fight has nothing to do with difficulty and everything to do with sheer dishonesty.
If anons are right in saying that it's the best fight of act 3 I can't imagine what kind of absolute bullshit waits for me after this.
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>>722616293
>bagpipe player
>flute piper
>loathesome dung eater
Or are they breathing from those?
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>>722616382
>I got filtered so the fight is actually just bullshit!
She's a great fight. Maybe try acquiring skill.
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>>722616293
More cut content stuff.
>bone hunter baby
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>>722614004
>>722615489
i actually couldn't be bothered to figure out how to compress my video enough to fit within the 4mb limit. also i'm on my laptop and had a noticeable input delay which threw me off a little at the start but after that it was a piece of cake.

https://files.catbox.moe/5js594.mp4

god i love this boss.
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>>722616320
This interpretation makes more logical sense, but the music becomes tragic when the HK starts stabbing himself so it feels like the intended emotional response was "he is trying to help you"
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>>722616320
Couldn't she have done that at any point though? Why wait so long?
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>this boss/area/enemy wasn't difficult, but it wasn't fun either
>REEEEEE GIT GUD GIT GUD GIT GUD FILTERED FILTERED FILTERED FILTERED
Why are Silkfaggots so brown?
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>>722615013
i did this within 5 minutes of attempts just now after not booting this game since 2022. it only took me this long to reply because i'm a retard and struggled repeatedly to convert the mp4 to webm and then reduce the filesize to 4 mb and remove the audio stream
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>>722616602
LMFAO YOUR SHIT
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>>722616382
>a dance either never no-hit nightmare king or/and never danced
what is this schizo babble
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>>722616602
>>722616671
>attuned
lmao
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>>722616610
>Couldn't she have done that at any point though?
You unchain the Knight 2 minutes before it starts stabbing itself. Or you just mean during phase 1?
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>>722616687
YES LOL
but this was the first time i booted it up in years. i also had forgotten i had the archipelago randomizer mod installed which sped up those annoyingly long intro transitions.
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>>722616775
i have it beat on radiant if you look closely.
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>>722616508
Uh, balls.
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>>722616382
>NKG
Only shitters say that his fight was a "dance" it was a memorization test where you simply memorize the correct counter to each attack and execute it the exact same way every single time, with zero room to switch things up depending on the situation.
Half the fight is just standing still in the middle of the arena waiting for the next attack so you know what counter you need to do, that's no "dance".

It's the biggest "simon says" boss in both games.
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>>722615796
The Hollow Knight part is mostly correct.

>This upsets the Radiance, so she begins to infect bugs' minds with some sort of infection that targets emotions and thoughts which is what turns them insane in the first game.
Sort of. According to the loredumping NPC in Kingdom's Edge, the Pale King's influence gives bugs order and higher thought. The light of the Radiance gave them unity and comfort, but reduces them to mere instinct and a mind bereft of thought.

>This is the Hollow Knight from the first game, but because the Pale King raised him he developed emotion making him an impure vessel.
It's unclear whether vessels are actually capable of being pure, or if that's just a confident but mistaken assumption of the royal couple. Their hope was that imbuing an egg with the void will result in an inert emotionless automaton made of void that happens to inhabit a bug shell. But 3 out of 3 vessels we know of in Hollow Knight (the player knight, the sealed vessel, the broken vessel) seem to be 'alive' and have wills/thoughts/dreams like bugs do. So even if a vessel can be pure it seems it doesn't take a lot to render them impure.
Despite being percieved as emotionless and inert by many bugs, it does seem the Void itself has some kind of wareness as seen by the Void's anger at the Radiance in Godmaster.

>The rest of the potential vessels were then seen as unneeded
The king's vessel vetting procedure is unclear. From what we see it seems like just selected the first one that made it up after he called for a vessel with no will and no mind.
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>>722616848
that's some godhome shit.
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>>722616778
Yes, I was referring to as soon as he's unchained.
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>>722616320
I'm not sure about that. Weakening her only tool against the knight seems counterproductive. Especially because she goes right back to trying to kill you after stabbing herself. Really looks more like the knight wrested control for a moment
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Was first sinner a pharlid with brain damage? Why does her head look like a cracked egg
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>>722615796
the weavers are native to pharloom but were "evolved" from common bugs through GMS's divine silk, which can be seen in first sinner's cutscene after you beat her. it shows that GMS told them they were divine but that's just a lie they were just common bugs and not even her children, she just evolved them so they would worship her. that's what causes their ire.
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you know I really hate you buttfucking retards.
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>>722615796
I didn't read your HK summary but you're completely wrong about Silksong.
GMS forcibly spread her silk across the kingdom connecting most lifeforms to her.
The Weavers didn't exist naturally, GMS created them by giving Pharlids her silk and turning them into demigods and her adoptive daughters.
Weavers are capable of producing silk and they turned against GMS because they are ungrateful, vile pieces of trash.
The Weavers fucked off because of the haunting which is also what destroyed the kingdom.
The Citadel bugs were capturing Weavers due to GMS's subconscious influence but the Weavers left behind their powers in case a Weaver returned who could put an end to GMS.
Also read >>722609387
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>>722617069
it's ok anon, pure vessel is a really fun fight when you get it down.
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>>722616602
11 health?
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>>722617069
absolutely btfo and forced to accept your skill issue
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>>722617130
unbreakable heart. this was the build i was wearing when i booted up the game.
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>>722616848
OF STEEL
STEEL STEEL
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>>722616445
She's a
>Teleports into you after a 50/50 if her jump is a downward slash or a throw
Great fight
>Defends against half your attacks with no sprite change
Maybe try
>Bumps into you for free one mask damage
acquiring skill
>Boomerang unpredictably adjusts it's flight path to hit you instead of continuing to fly in the same angle
I beat her without tool cheesing and it's the most miserable fight I had so far.
>>722616870
>Two people acting on a choreographed routine is not a dance
Retard.
Clockwork faggots is also not a dance fight by your definition.
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>>722616898
Does Void follow any sort of in universe established rules or is it just kind of a magic substance that does whatever the developers want it to do?
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>>722617215
Oh I never used it, I thought they were visually different on the UI but I guess that's just the Lifeblood ones
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>>722616848
What's under their masks?
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>>722617093
>GMS created them by giving Pharlids her silk and turning them into demigods
Was this what the pseudo-cutscene that plays when you do the platforming challenge after beating First Sinner was?
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>>722617129
>>722617159
Fuck your fat mother, samefag
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>>722616848
This has gotta be Widow and the moment her mask was forcibly removed, right?
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>>722617305
not much is established explicitly with void but it's been shown to be able to be shaped and imprinted with a will. it's also extremely volatile and naturally drawn to consuming life that has soul inside it.
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>>722617093
>GMS forcibly spread her silk across the kingdom connecting most lifeforms to her.
Untrue, read the opening poem. They (conductors and weavers) used her silk for pretty much everything, giving her an "access key" into the population
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>>722617305
At this point after Silksong, it's magic substance. The rules were a bit more ironclad before it.
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>>722617382
yes anon, i booted hollow knight in my two computers (with different save files) and recorded two different footages at the same time, then with a vpn i replied twice to you saying "better luck next time", just to piss you off really bad, and throw the jannies off.
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>>722617251
Everything you just posted is a skill issue. Surprise surprise you're just shit.
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>>722617379
Yes, and she tells you exactly what made her angry.
>She told us we were her daughters... She told us we were divine... She lied
Or something like that. Basically, the First Sinner got angry about not actually being GMS's daughter. Not clear if that's also why all the Weavers turned on her.
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>>722617438
Silksong really fucked the lore, didn't it?
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>>722617438
what "rules" did silksong break with void?
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>>722617410
Anon, GMS created the Weavers after she already spread her silk across most of the kingdom and the Conductors were made WAAAAAAAAAAAY later.
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>>722617614
And what's the deal with The Widow? She's obviously a Weaver, but her mask is all fucked up.
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>>722616898
>Despite being percieved as emotionless and inert by many bugs, it does seem the Void itself has some kind of wareness as seen by the Void's anger at the Radiance in Godmaster.
yh godhome made it seem like the void has a long-standing grudge with the radiance and is itching at the chance to rip her apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOt6eOXFVtw
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>>722617749
fuck knows
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>>722617825
Based
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>>722617749
>but her mask is all fucked up.
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>>722616615
>Thia game is shit because of this shitter complaints
>No don't call me a shitter!
Cry about it
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>When Silksong tried to recreate this scene but failed miserably
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>>722617917
?
They serve entirely different purposes. The similarities start and end at "they're memories"
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>>722617989
i think it's a troll who's been trying to get people mad by saying silksong bad hollow knight good at literally everything as if he wanted hollow knight 2 to be a clone of hollow knight, but he hasn't really succeeded at making anyone mad. i saw him yesterday.
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>>722617854
So why was Widow bound in the first place? Also is she the only Weaver who didn't flee Pharloom? I'm assuming the First Sinner fight takes place in a dream realm so I'm not counting her.
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>>722616848
those things are on the ceiling in the weaver room of deepnest
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>>722618084
Well it just comes off as a dude with weird takes but if you say so.
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>>722617887
Are you retarded? Something can be easy and also not fun. In fact many things are not fun BECAUSE they are too easy and braindead, like (You).
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>>722618101
>Also is she the only Weaver who didn't flee Pharloom?
No, some Weavers stayed but went into hiding. They are the ones who left the powers you collect behind.
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>>722618290
That makes a lot of sense. I'm not done with the game yet, I'm still finishing up all the Act 2 content before I move on, but do you meet any more Weavers who stayed in person other than Widow?
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>>722618084
NTA but if standing firm in your opinions requires dismissing everyone who disagrees as a troll, then perhaps your opinions aren't that ironclad.
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What lore purposes does Deep Docks serve?
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>>722618412
If you haven't even finished the game yet why are you asking for an explanation of the plot? Anyways, no, you don't meet any more Weavers.
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>>722618604
its where they fulfill their Deep Dock Fantasies
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>>722618604
That place and its resources are the whole reason Pharloom is as advanced as it is.
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*clears throat*
Sneed
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>>722616848
oh, so that;s where the weavers limbs attach. Good to know.
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Silksneed
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>>722618617
>If you haven't even finished the game yet why are you asking for an explanation of the plot?
Because I'm curious :3



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