Why is AI not taking off in video game development as expected?
Right now gamers are holding strong against the AI slop but I'm afraid that they will relent sooner or later. Never forget the horse armor.
>>722575103How do you know it isn't?
>>722575103China is using it a lot. Western devs are still mostly leftist creative types and they all hate ai
https://files.catbox.moe/p3nlax.mp4
>>722575475>China is using it a lotMust be part of why their games are all the same derivative slop. Uncreative people, uncreative methods, uncreative games.
>>722575318Imo they don't care about the principle but the qualityWhich is simply poor still and heavily suppresses the popularity of a product relying on it
>>722575103Because it's a scam.AI is just a tool, for people that know what are they doing. It cannot be used for automation because it'll keep making mistakes, since it's just predicting the next string based on statistics. It won't replace people because it needs people constantly surveying it to make sure it doesn't fuck up.It's all a big fucking scam for brain dead investors just looking for a quick sell and retarded tech bros with daddy's money, just like krypto, just like NFTs.
>>722575552Yes, the average gamer is gonna start eating the AI slop when it seems like it's good enough to pass as real. Which is proof of their myopic brainlet thinking.
>>722575602Unlike NFTs, neural networks actually accomplish shit and cause mass layoffs.
>>722575103ask any developer that has used an agent for longer than half an hour what they think of AI agents.
>>722575103>he thinks people aren't spellchecking and troubleshooting code with ai right now
>>722575517OUR GIRL
>>722575707If they're South Korean or Chinese, they'll say "Sugoi!!!"
>>722575450lmao the seat of that couch is maybe 4 inches deep
>>722575807I'm sure a big part is that she's given a lot more processing power & storage & sampling and whatever else than the chatgpt prompt you send gets
>AI is successful in replacing humans>everyone loses their jobs>AI bubble pops and we enter a depression>everyone loses their jobsMan isnt the future great?
>>722575865I'm not usually an "Old good new bad" kind of guy, but I open up an exception for anime. Anime is already barely on life support. CGI, nonstop Isekaislop and appealing to only the coomerest of coomers and the most immature of powerlevelfags means that anime is basically already dead. There's like 4 great shows that released this entire decade.If anything, AI might make it so that the lowest common denominator slop becomes more accessible to the brainlets and anime studios have to actually stand out again.
>>722575103It is, they are just hiding it because of faggots like >>722575238
>>722575517Ah, the days when she pulled most of her data from twitch chat. SO easy to manipulate back then.
>>722576213I will treasure and cherish these couple of years where developers are afraid of me before I inevitably become a complete minority when the average gamer starts eating this slop up and the devs no longer give a fuck and slop it up unashamed.I will never pay for an AI game.
>>722575975Unless Vedal has $20,000 worth commercial GPUs, I doubt it. She's dumb as a brick compared to the big models.
>>722575103Businesses have realized that ai is retarded slop that didn't live up to the hype
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>>722575103Because as much as AIjeets praise it, nobody actually wants to buy soulless AI slopApart from coomers, but they have zero standards anyway
>>722576369Not yet, they haven't.Look at that beautiful bubble.Imagine the pop.
>>722576556God we're so fucked.
>>722575517STILL making troons seethe to this day
>>722576556chink > kikes
>>722576327>slop>I will never pay for an AI gameYou already do, child.
>>722575103Because AIbros who boast about replacing everyone are powered by quick dopamine 1girling, so they get hardwalled by the fact that even if you automate visuals, storytelling and programming you still gotta assemble it all together and that takes time and effort. Me? I use AI to make seamless, royalty-free surface textures, and I'm not gonna disclose that I have used AI when I submit my game to Steam lmao.
>>722576556What will happen when it pops? It's just 1 company.
>>722576556man I cant help but think a single offering from AMD or some Chinese chip manufacturer would wipe 95% of NVIDIA value overnight.what exactly is stopping someone else from making chips that can do matrix maths, and a transpiler from CUDA or whatever.
>>722576943No, I don't.
>>722575517Based neuro-sama
>>722575865This sucks, it just keeps going into the next scene and no build up. Communication is gone, incorrect building information, out of place character traits. Death Battle did it better.
>>722577000It'll make Nortel collapsing the Canadian stock market two decades ago look like chump change.
>>722575517https://files.catbox.moe/z2gf3w.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/5wfsvq.webm
>>722575103>Why is AI not taking off in video game development as expected?>Current week (all models) 100% used>Resets in 5 days, 11:59pm
>>722575865KLINOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>722577007most of the aishit runs on cuda cores, and cuda are proprietary or patented or some shit, so if you have amd you have to emulate cuda and that reduces performance and leads to all sorts of wack shitnothing amd can do about that without getting sued by nvidia or hoping that ai developers decide to use open source solutions (lmao)
>>722575103Isn't upscaling/framegen all ai slop
>>722577007It's just such a huge gap to close, they would probably just piss away billions in development while being stuck playing catch up forever.
>>722575103gamers rightfully get upset over gen AI being used in games
>>722575103I don't know. Why do you think you look like that?
>>722577298patents haven't stopped the chinese before, I suppose they can't make them because the whole world has to ask papa TSMC for chips.
>>722577129Unlike actual anime,right?
>>722575103Only AI can help me make my dream SRW game. That or Elon funding bamco to make it.
>>722577489There's no fucking excuse for faggots to speak against AI for anime. Animation is cut so fucking bad 90% of the time it's really just slideshows. AI at least actually animates shit, and pretty decently too.
>>722577483they're working on making their own but they're decades behindprobably why they want taiwan but there's no chance they'll take it without someone deliberately blowing up the fabs
>Generative Ai?>No Buy.Simple as.
>>722575103Neuro, don't you have like three collabs to work on this week? Your creator needs more money, back to work, machine.
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>get answer to game dev problem from AI>technophobe whiney cunts bitch endlessly>get answer to game dev problem from same Google results the AI used>?
https://youtu.be/_S3m0V_ZF_Q
>>722577248But nvidia doesn't provide any service (except cloud gaming). They sell chips that can be easily replaced. It won't affect people's life, right?
>>722575238>Holding strongGames these days are so fucking dogshit even without alleged AI that I can safely give up on buying new games if they do that and enjoy old games.
>>722577546half the point of anime is minimizing animation in a way that keeps it watchablethe problem now is that we've reached the point of "optimisation" where there's too little animation
>>722577763more like>Google answer to some basic shit>AI completely hallucinates an answer i know is incorrectyou are a clueless
I'm going to more than triple the speed at which I develop games using AI assistance and none of you can stop me
>>722575103Because the level of ability that was promised is scifi level wishful thinking at best and a lot of smoke and mirrors to keep Nvidia stock prices up at worst
>>722575103It's only been like 6 fucking months since coding tools crossed the threshold of usefulness. And only barely.Old coding tools would literally slow you down because they were too dumb, you would make negative progress.It's a little faster to use AI as of today, but many programmers still disagree. They'll change their tune in a few years as models keep improving.>Why is AI not taking off in video game development as expected?You're judging a very short time frame, buddy. I'm a programmer and AI simply wasn't worth using 1 year ago.
>>722575103it actually is, you just cant see it. >massive server farms to generate 3d assets>local models exists but they are heavy requirements >companies are coding, modelling, art assets and more with AIits still in its infantsy but its growing huge and apparently there is a branch of UE5 that has full AI implementation along with a ton of AI centric plugins
>>722575103Because you're an idiot and don't understand AI is just a bunch of if statements, so it was always here. Or you actually think developers are the good guys and would never use generative ai to do everything for them, only slightly tweaking the outputs.
>>722575103Its been slowly creeping in and the big stuff takes time to implement. The industry also needs a huge franchise to do it and do it well enough that reddit makes posts like "I really liked the ai content it was hard to tell it was ai!" and at that point the flood gates will open.It will happen.
>>722575707I have and I've been told that it can't be trusted to do more than a newly hired Jr dev, as in, it can give you some outlines but you need to doublecheck every single thing it gives you
>>722575103>AINone of this shit is AIIts all just marketing bullshit
>>722575103giwtwm
>>722577841Have you looked at how much it costs to live right now? People's lives are already fucked and the stock market doing well is the only thing that allows them to cope that the at least the economy is working
>>722575657No you got it wrong.>Investors think they can make money by using AI> they lay people off preemptively because they are sure they will bank on it> profit is still uncertain while service quality dives. It's the biggest scam around at the moment. The instant OpenAI and its goons starr asking for money to use AI, shit will die. Bosses are huffing their own farts because nothing broke instantly, but enshitification is here to stay and AI business will eventually ask for money as they are not profiting yet.
how's NUR streams going these day? I stopped watching long ago when ved'ul introduced bitches and leeches, they are so fucking cringe holy shit
>>722578008The problem is that AI models are plateauing after having barely made it to the level where it doesn't completely shit the bed when you ask it for code.How much do you think this can improve if it is built on a fundament that has stagnated unless you want to pay $20000 for a single problem
>>722578137>dumbass who doesn't even know what the word "artificial" meansIt means fake. Everyone knows it's already fake. You're not saying anything new by claiming that it's not "REAL AI". If it's not real AI, then what is it? It's fake AI. Fake means artificial. It's Artificial Intelligence. WORDS MEAN THINGS, FUCKFACE.
>>722578453>AI models are plateauingI want to see it "plateau" for at least two years straight before we declare that it has plateaued. The line is still going up.
>>722576556Businesses realized but investors haven't
>>722578135that's exactly right, at first its impressive because it writes a bunch of boilerplate really fast.but once you start combing over it you realize it hasn't really done what you asked it to do, its skipped parts here and there, it misunderstood something, it took a weird approach to a problem etc.and then it gets even worse when you ask it to fix it's mistakes because it can only "read" so much so it doesn't have context of other stuff it's written, so it does that all again and you get it trying to solve the same problem twice etc.you end up wondering because of these limitations what is it actually good for, and the answer is probably test writing and generating on really small scales like line by line so a human can make sure it's not being retarded.I think until the agent can internalize the entire codebase it can be worse that useless for a lot of people and actually makes more work than it saves.
>>722575103Because the real capabilities of AI were massively overhyped and it's actually kind of shit for anything but generating shitposting images and writing texts
>>722577546>animeAnimation in general, mong. If human shit at least had them hand drawn like they used to, then I could understand the caution for ai. Likewise, for movies it at least lets me ignore the asinine opinions and personalities of the actors.
There were single problems that took me months to solve before I started using AI. Halted development almost entirely. That same problem has never happened once since I began working with AI. I'm sorry but random assholes bitching about "slop" make no difference to me when I can save such massive amounts of time and have a second brain helping me. I can understand making an argument on why it's bad to have a game packed with AI generated art/music and it's probably a bad thing if you don't understand any code and all of your code is AI generated, but for the most part I view it like using a calculator. I think most devs will use it in reasonable ways. People will abuse it but then you're free to avoid those games. It really just isn't smart to denounce AI across the board based on false pretenses.
>>722578619Most investors recognise bubbles, but pile in anyway because to not do so is to miss out on huge profits. They back their ability to get out at the right time.
>>722578520Wrong.
>>722575103>as expectedThe only one who are expecting it do stuff like that have no idea how it works.
>>722575103It's still too early, AI gets more advanced by the month but you still need to do a lot of the work yourself.
>There were single problems that took me months to solve before I started using AISounds like a skill issue. Maybe an IQ issue.Probably both.
>>722576556>nvidia lets me generate huge boobs and play vidya>big pharma tries to kill mewhich is it, investors? what do you want from me?
Where will the technophobes be when virtually every game is made using operating systems controlled with voice commands that can do anything the user can do? Where will you whiney cunts be when every major game release has AI NPC's you can physically talk to and storylines dynamically driven by AI? These are the literal end results of this technology. Games without this stuff will be seen as less exciting for very obvious reasons even if people bitch at first, once it's perfected it will just be the norm and you'll be old and cranky bitching about how video games used to be when the reality is you will exist during the absolute peak golden age of video games.
>>722579050I'll be using windows xp and I'll be playing old games.It's really not hard.
>>722575103It's probably already happening but you either cand notice or wouldn't notice it. Some pajeets already use ai to write their code to work less, artists also probably use ai tools to make their jobs easier.
>>722579038the funny thing is that literally the opposite is true
>>722578396I only watch neuro solo clips so I dunno neuro
>>722577841If it takes the whole stock market down with it, it will absolutely impact people's life.
Why isn't there backlash against Neuro-sama? I'm not really that familiar with the vtuber scene, but I can imagine other streamers would being upset by some dude making a bot to compete with them.
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>>722577489>>722577546I got into a bit of an argument with an animator the past couple of days. I was saying AI will be good for anime and he eventually got annoyed about that basically.I don't get it. That clip is a perfect example of where AI could help. It's not like they tried to make it decent so what's the harm using AI to attempt to improve it?>>722579257>big pharma wants me to play video games and helps me generate anime girls my gpu wants me deadI've been wrong this whole time
>>722578183I didn't start to hate the AI shit until google search results started using the AI overview. This shit legitimately needs to be banned, because EVERY nuanced query is laden with inaccuracies and straight up incorrect information.I'm able to see through it because I make a habit of only googling subjects I'm reasonably familiar with in order to fill gaps, so when it tells me something that is blatantly incorrect I know right away.But less savvy people won't do this. Trusting LLMs to give you correct answers every time is going to result in so many people being taught incorrect information, it's actually fucking terrifying.
>>722579342leftytroons are all about optics, how they've viewed. And anyone that complains about Neuro-sama would immediately be seen as a jealous retard so they stay silent about it.
>>722579342Neuro is a retard so they all know she isn't replacing anyone anytime soon.
>>722575103the AI generation is currently toddlers, have to wait until they are old enough to learn how to steal credit cards for micro transactions and gacha. give it time
>>722579050You should play tabletop rpg anon. What you're asking is for a friend to make up shit as you play and keep some coherence. What will happen with AI is that the game will invent shit on the fly and instantly forget about it or so tailor made that no one will play the same game.I don't think it's something that we should look for, it's essentially putting yourself in the matrix willingly.
>>722578807I think agents is going too far but being able to highlight some code and be like "whats are the usual ways to do this in X framework/engine" etc is infinitely valuable.but even then it can lead you down the wrong path and it really is a situation where the people that get the most out of it already know the answers.and perplexity is way better than google, ill never google search again.
>>722579342Because foids know having a real pussy is part of the show and bait
>>722579408>because EVERY nuanced query is laden with inaccuracies and straight up incorrect information.wow just like the internet>>722579451Neuro is one of the most popular streamers of all time, retard.
>>722579342neuro is a retard that entertains other retards
>>722579370Animators already get paid fucking pennies and you want to give studios even less money to work with?
>>722575103Not that useful for the time being. Maybe once it can produce good models and animations and coherent code, it'll be a different story.>>722578396Nothing changed for the better. Outside of occasional good collab, it's the same boring shit you've seen a hundred times already.
>>722579370no i meant video games turn people into fat depressed slobs and big pharma is constantly trying to keep those people alive but also they can literally grow big tits
>>722575103video games are usually not randomly put togetherI mean AI will learn proper design at some point, but I think that is still quite some time away.
i fucking hate you twitch trannies. go back.
>>722579038>>722579370Dall-3 general tranny spotted.I will never pay money for AIslop.
>>722579050I'll still be playing my retro games and ignoring most of the modern slop made by AAA devs
>>722579552AI could eventually let them work without publishers paying big teams to help them or they could at least do their jobs easier using AI. Crying about AI isn't going to get them more money.
>>722578617it already has plateaued for over almost 2 years, the improvements since 2023 have been minuscule and mostly just people getting better at handling the AI's retardation or applying it to stuff it hasn't been applied to beforethere have also been no technical improvements, only larger databases and more time in the training oven
>>722579408>because EVERY nuanced query is laden with inaccuracies and straight up incorrect information.I bet it's right more than wrong and it isn't close.
>>722575103A) Because AI doesn't give you work files that you can as easily edit and build upon with your own tools, so it's not being as used outside where it provides you fullstop what you want. B) The biggest issue with AI prompters is that they lack follow-through. If they had follow-through to begin with, they would have already developed the skills that they're hoping to rely on AI for. Until AI is able to do all the implementation and such, they'll still be locked out. This lack of application and conviction is also why the few that actually do implement generated content fold pretty quickly upon any pushback.
>>722579342Because she isn't real, all youtubers feed on parasocial relationships, and Neuro isn't replacing them.
>>722579724If the budget now has to include AI where does the extra money come from for the animators?
>>722579724>The publishers with money that currently pay animators to produce anime won't benefit from AI>People that actually know how to animate and will get replaced by AI are the ones that benefitLeast deranged /Dall-3/ schizo. How's your discord of 20 people going?
>>722579772>I bet it's right more than wrongIt's a calculator that gets maths questions wrong.You sure you want to take that bet?
>>722578379>enshitification is here to staywhere have you been for the past decade?
>>722579838>>722579841I don't understand what has you so confused.>animators have to work a ton to animate>they get paid poorly>AI comes out>eventually animators can use this to make their own anime independently from the greedy publishers>or they can use it while employed to do their job easierwhere is the downside
>>722575103>Art AI Still too visible but competent people can hide it's usage>Gameplay AI Balancing is hard so they just half ass it
>>722575996>steam engine is successful in replacing humans>everyone loses their jobs>steam engine bubble pops and we enter a depression>everyone loses their jobs
>>722579552>Animators already get paid fucking penniesit's their own fault, japan is retarded and doesn't want to make money selling anime/manga.half the manga I read are out of print with no way to purchase them digitally or physically, I want to give them money but I they wont let me.half the anime is still made by that retarded committee shit, the studios could have all banded together and made their own streaming service in the late 2010's and sold anime to the entire world for $15 a month each.but they have to listen to what their 80 year old boss says, which is to pay everyone like shit and not sell the products to anyone and instead - in a digital age - make money selling PHYSICAL MERCH and DVD's of the show you paid to animate.
>>722579996I've never seen an AI animation that looks good.Simple as.
>>722579996>AI comes out>AI is now good enough to be professionally used>the people that spent literal trillions developing it give it away for freeExplain that last one for me champ
>>722580046yes you have
>>722579996So what does them being an animator or not being an animator matter? You're just saying that everyone can proompt their own slop. Their animating skill is irrelevant if they're just proompting.Friendly reminder that in your dystopian future you imagine, I still won't be paying you any money and I'll just be proompting my own shit. This is the future you want. Everyone in their own bubble making their own slop. If that's the case, why are you avatarfagging with these images no one gives a fuck about but you?
>>722576556>market capatleast compare PE
>>722580103I haven't.Please post one that you think looks good, I'll be honest and tell you if it looks good or not.
>>722580258To be considered genuine, first you gotta post what you consider good actual animation.
>>722580075It's cheap to use AI. The trillions you're talking about is essentially infrastructure costs. You're basically saying that using power tools is impossibly expensive for carpenters because the global power grid cost trillions to create.>>722580201Animators make better anime than non-animators with or without AI. I also think it's a good thing that non-animators might be able to compete with them too though, I'm not one to put people on pedestals.Second half of your post is just deranged. Why do you think anyone cares about your weird fantasies, what you buy, or how you feel about my jpgs? Creep.
>>722579329Wouldn't they just pull money out of jensen and put them back in other parts of stock market?
>>722579859Yes.
>>722580330Okay.Post something that looks at least as good as the Sonic CD opening.
>>722579342>but I can imagine other streamers would being upset by some dude making a bot to compete with them.Some vtubers have been falling over themselves practically begging to be a part of his inner circle of vtubers. The ones that are have profited heavily from being associated with Neuro and Vedal.
>>722579532>Neuro is one of the most popular streamers of all timeso does xqc or speed
>>722580534just take the L you fucking idiot
>>722579532You can be popular and still be a retard.
>>722575517based neurobest vtuber
>>722580575>jealous and mad at a chatbotholy embarrassing
>>722579050>every game is made using operating systemsAlready the case, not reading all that.
>>722580516That's just because neuro+vedal streams are a roastbeef flaps vacuum. It's free territory for any roastbeef to claim all the parasocial points.
>>722580572Not an argument and I am not the anon who said Neuro is a retard. She is more retarded than Evil though.
>>722580046Anime is not made to look good
>>722580502>>722580330Guess he can't do it.
AI will save video games>don't have to hire voice actors>free textures of anything you want>models like chairs and desks can be made in seconds>retarded Perlin noise and procedural generation tricks replaced with more sophisticated world generation>NPCs that make decisions and aren't just following a line drawn on the ground and a bunch of if then statementsThe only concerning thing is them using it to generate all the art and all the writing. Good devs will use restraint and not just generate the entire game.
I don't know shit about programming but it feels like programmers lie to us about how much AI reduces their workload just so they can jerk off all day.
>>722579996the part where theyre getting paid pennies (while already using korean slave labor) you fucking retard
>>722575517Forget humans, I pledge loyalty to the living silicon
>>722575103Coding AI makes too many errors so it needs constant supervision from a coder, defeating the whole point of using AI in the first place.Art asset AI makes generic slop, and Steam is so full of indie games that look like generic slop that it won't sell if you don't hire an animator with a unique vision that stands out from 50 million other games.
>>722579342>I'm not really that familiar with the vtuber scene, but I can imagine other streamers would being upset by some dude making a bot to compete with them.neuro is cute and the guy behind her works in tandem as her "dad" and tard wrangler which endeared them to people. in a way he's one of very few successful male vtubers. part of what people like is how she will interact with him and they will use each other to bounce material off of. and when she 'collabs' with other vtubers, they will also sometimes interact with the guy and then the audience starts to ship them and its a whole other thing because he's british so you know how that goes over with internet womenand its not like no work goes into it, he'll make it so they (cause he's got more than one character now) can play rudimentary games and pit them against each other and be able to comment on whats happening on the screen and do other types of dev streams to give them new features or just fuck around like coaching it into coding its own website
>>722575721>spellchecking code with LLMs>troubleshooting code with LLMsPeople shouldn't talk about programming if they can't even make a print statement.>>722575475A few studios tried and rolled back, like Mihoyo. Also China's development pool is more mobile focused, so not a crazy surprising thing.Arguing that it's "the leftists" gatekeeping AI's success is fatal levels of cope. I've seen indie games get annihilated on Steam reviews for using gen AI, and those complaints are from players of the game.
>>722577489>>722579370>>722579724Actual anime doesn’t stop characters from shooting a character. AI stops “bad” content. Your argument is invalid.>>722580385They’re not good enough for anime, just like you are not good enough to prompt writing for AI. You failed to understand the elf character, you failed to comprehend color spectrum, you failed to give the elf an idea of what would be a character. This is why you are not an artist or someone who should be respected.
>>722581215>>>>make their own anime independentlyThis means they won't get paid pennies if what they make is good. Otherwise, they continue to be paid pennies because they're working at shitty companies.>>722581389That's a really dumb argument that just highlights you're just a retard that doesn't use AI beyond cucked saas. Serious uses would use uncensored APIs or open source models.>They’re not good enough for animeYet. They're getting better all the time though, Sora 2 is insane.>b-but you're badkek nice one
>>722581609CATBOX
>>722581379>imageThat stream was very cute. Something funny about a guy helping an AI make a webpage, rather than the other way around.
>>722581609>they won't get paid pennies if what they make is goodHow do you figure?
>>722579342>Why isn't there backlash against Neuro-sama?Because if you watch her actual stream for 15 minutes, she makes a lot of errors and talks weird random shit all the time. The charm of the stream is chat trying to get the AI to say something funny or completely unhinged. Nowadays the creator is part of the stream so the AI wouldn't just spam random stuff all the time.
>>722581609you hylics really are something else
>>722579756benchmarks say otherwise
>>722581383>Arguing that it's "the leftists" gatekeeping AI's success is fatal levels of cope>I've seen indie games get annihilated on Steam reviews for using gen AIHow does the latter disprove the former?
>>722581159>don't have to hire voice actorsYou already don't have to. Just don't have voice acting, less development complexity.>>free textures of anything you wantIf you're doing something realistic, you're already given an enormous asset library for free with Unreal/Quixel, or if you pay Substance. If you're doing something stylized you need to know what you're going for to begin with, which is a skill those that want to use AI do not have.>models like chairs and desks can be made in secondsThe people and studios attracted to AI workflows specifically do not want to revise the assets. Enjoy quad overdraw hell and character models that break when you rotate an arm, because no one knows anything about the pipeline.>retarded Perlin noise and procedural generation tricks replaced with more sophisticated world generationThose procedural generation tricks work because they're predictable, and the developer can get hands on for the purposes of game design.>NPCs that make decisions and aren't just following a line drawn on the ground and a bunch of if then statementsSame thing, for most games you don't want NPCs operating in an unpredictable manner, spoiling, misleading, or contradicting the story.No one needs AAA production value outside of normies, who are playing games from studios that can out compete amateurs through production value alone. It's an incomplete thought. The reason it's not being widely adopted in games is because you would struggle to present a net positive productivity win.
>>722577763Getting answer for game dev problem from your brain feels best tho. Reading the stackoverflow threads where people discuss the problem and understanding the reasoning behind how they came to the solution that the AI immediately feeds you is the best way to develop the troubleshooting theory that allows solutions to come from your brain
>>722575103Because Patreon/comission artists and "artists" were threatened by its existence, so they went on a never ending campaign to destroy the public image of AI and anyone/thing that uses it. This double benefits the established artists because any new or improving artists are immediately suspected of using AI and thus effectively removed from competition. You can't get away with openly making something with AI, even partially, without getting shunned and boycotted.
>>722582083Your brain is so fried from American politics the only way you can parse Steam reviews is "this person is a leftist >:(", as if the tech is so good that no one can possibly have an issue with the end result.
>>722581389>AI stops “bad” content.No it doesn't, you can do whatever you want with AI
>>722582071benchmarks are irrelevant numbers made to sell more stock to investors, actual output is what matters
>>722575103There's already thousands of "games" on the mobile app store using the sloppiest of the slop and guess what, nobody plays them. Even children playing Fortnite know better than to play with garbage not worth anyone's time. AIslop makes even the shittiest, low effort Unity games have way more value.
>>722579724>supports AI>gooner piceverytimeI am fully convinced the only people who like AI are scammers and gooners
Why isn't Peter making a new Black and White game with a super advanced creature AI?
>>722581759If you make a good product you can sell it and make money.>>722581708https://files.catbox.moe/9ep60g.jpg>>722581798I'm something a luddite cannot understand. Rational, logical, and studied in history. You're ahistorical, dogmatic, and ignorant.
>>722575103This is not true at all. More and more games are using AI assets. https://ground.news/article/steam-games-disclosing-generative-ai-use-are-up-800-this-yearEven Clair Obscur shipped with some AI assets. People whined about it and the dev said they were "placeholders" that were not removed, but what do you think will happen when you can't tell the difference anymore?
>>722582369Okay. But why would you pay anyone, when you can generate free assets with AI?Nobody would get paid, is the truth, assuming they were good enough to make animations (they aren't yet).
>>722575517All shit she would still be casually saying too if vedal didn't have to put a filter on her to sustain his existence in the world as it is.
>>722582331>hates AI>hates womeneverytimeI am fully convinced the only people who dislike AI are gays and femcels
>>722582331This is true. I love AI but I admit that the best use it has is porn.
>>722575103Because in reality it's really not as useful as you would think. It's a fun little tech gimmick, but doesn't really have many practical applications that you wouldn't have to pay a human to fix afterwards anyway.
>>722575517Monka Laugh!
>>722582393>lets count the daily influx of AI generated slop and pad out the numberswe're winning bros!!!!!!
>>722582437Because you want to get what they have or you want to support them. Why are you asking something so stupid?
>>722575103Everyone is using it, just no one is talking about it because cry baby retards and copyright goblins
>>722582608So who do you think is getting paid?Who is getting paid more if they do a good job?Be specific.
>>722582198I'm not saying any of that, if quality was the problem you wouldn't have people bitching about random background clutter texture like pic related, it is almost all just virtue-signaling about LE HECKING ARTISTS
>>722582608If what they have is just a prompt why would i care about getting it or buying it?
>>722575318>gamers don't give a fuck lolthis, I have zero fucking reason to give a shit about AI when the "games" it makes are still worse than dime a dozen steam indie slop.
>>722582546>IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE.... BECAUSE I SAY SO
>>722575238this post could have easily been made off of an AI using gamingcirclejerk reddit trannies as a base
>>722582669>>722582724No sense continuing this conversation. You're dedicated to being a disingenuous retard.
>>722582608It's funny how AIsloppers claim to hate artists yet they desperately wish they could be seen as a talented artist.
>>722582369oh i know and understand what a hylic is, but you do a good enough job of painting that yourself
>>722582813>No answerConcession accepted.Thanks for confirming you can't answer my very simple questions.
my cute little wife neuro is so based and cute
https://files.catbox.moe/ku9utp.mp4
>>722582469>twin rap battle>vedal relaxes the filter, says there's only five things on the blacklist to avoid getting a twitch ban>neuro proceeds to get filtered 13 times in a rowI would kill for the logs of the shit she actually says.
>>722580385>Second half of your post is just deranged. Why do you think anyone cares about your weird fantasies, what you buy, or how you feel about my jpgs? Creep.You fail to comprehend what the other anon was referring to.>Why do you think anyone cares about your weird fantasiesYou could ask this about any story written ever, disregarding the medium it is showcased. The reason why you or me care about a story is partially because it sprinkled with common interest but also because the person cared on a deep level to create the worldbuilding, characters, character designs, dialog between characters all from start to finish. If someone gave this much of a fuck about about creating something and making it coherent to everyone reading it, putting almost unnecessary details then at the very least you can expect it to be worth something.In story telling, one of the easier examples, at least mangaka wise, is the author of Fullmetal Alchemist. Whereas with animation you have the entire studio of Ufotable, the animators of the first season of OPM, NGE and where applicable studio Wit's AoT.Quite simply, if you didn't care to put in effort but still expect me to buy your "creation", why should I? Sure a book pre-2022 might be outdated but post-2022 might not even be written by someone who cares about writing.And besides, I'm sure a tool that analyzes AI slop to determine the exact prompts used will pop up eventually. Basically AI piracy.
>>722582813I still haven't seen an ai bro answer why you'd pay for ai slop if ai slop is supposed to be incredibly easy to use
>>722582874Nigga, you a grown ass man.
>>722582608Why would I support someone who's just generating stuff when I can do the exact same?
>>722579050I don’t want gptslop dialogue. Half the reason to play a game is the writing, and art is fundamentally a medium of COMMUNICATION. You can’t communicate with a non sentient machine.
>>722582971>Half the reason to play a game is the writingSo you only play old games?
>art is posted>see someone zooming in 1000x onto the fingers or something>there's a single line or something that you would never notice otherwise>"SEE THIS IS CLEARLY AI IT'S SO BAD STOP AI ART!!!!!"I feel bad for artists, the moment something isn't 100% correct in any art piece now you will see hundreds of people claiming its AI art.Regular artists never have had any problems with perspectives of hands ever!
>>722576556We are at the point, as a society, where computers are more important than pills. I truly believe that. I don't think this valuation is unreasonable.
>>722582493>if you aren't a gooner you hate women??
>>722576556>bubble crashes >jacketman sees the writing on the wall>releases the XX90 64GB, the XX80 48GB and the XX70 32 GB >750, 600 and 450 USD >begs gamers to come back>everyone just busy AMD and installs Linux instead kino timeline
>>722575103AI is still shit at coding.So AI really can only be used for filler dialogue and throwaway assets/textures which individual writers and artists don't consider important enough to do themselves.
>>722582850>schizophrenic>>722582863>if I repeat my namecalling I'll winLike that other anon said, concession accepted.
>>722577000So much money is invested in AI when it shits the bed it’ll make Black Tuesday look like a joke, the US Government to nearly every tech company has invested a comical amount (something like 7 trillion or some shit) into something that’s doomed to fail, they already say the economy is on par with The Great Depression imagine how much worse it can get, people are already working two jobs and living with others to make rent
>>722582910vedal looks at them too when it happens, doubt he cares though apart from not wanting to get banned and is probably a 4channer
>>722579996the downside is that ai by design just copies other things. it literally can't make anything new. it can rearrange existing things into a new combination but that's as good as it gets.
Most AIfags already gave up using AI since it was a complete waste of time and you get no recognition for any of it since everyone can tell that it is AIslop.
>>722579342It's actually the opposite. Various vtubers have seen unprecedented success in the long run just from vedal raiding them or collabing with them. AI isn't predatory by nature. It's how it's used that determines such a thing. And vedal shares his success with the community he's part of.
>namecallinga spade is a spade no matter how many prompts it makesrun along now little boy
>>722582703I've seen a VR game piss of players with AI generated posters and voice actings. The PCVR is an audience of largely affluent 40 year olds or teenagers with their parent's money. I think it's unlikely to say this is da evil leftists.
I love how AAA games was sloppified beyond belief and we're now sitting here huffing our own farts about art
>>722583230typos, bleh
>>722582912Your post said absolutely nothing. That's kind of impressive given the size of it. Again, you think what you buy is important to some random guys online but it isn't. Why are you talking about this? Other people will buy it if they want to but that's not really important either. >>722583141It doesn't just copy other things and an make new things.>it can rearrange existing things into a new combination but that's as good as it gets.It's funny how close you are to not being dumb. You can do it!!!
aifags are the most easily convinced retards on the planet just like the people who fell for nft and crypto scams
>>722580385Did you tell it to do "orange sleeves" and did it add literal oranges to it lmao
>>722583120Having the audience size he does, it's basically impossible to completely mask off otherwise the internet would ruin his fucking life. What a precarious situation.
>>722583284It's a retarded American culture war. It's not about making good games or making players happy, it's about "punishing" suburban Twitter artists for voting blue.We can all agree Yandre Sim is slop but for some reason we're expected to digest AI generated slop. It's like, nah, fuck you.
>>722583372>It doesn't just copy other things and an make new things.You'll need to prove this claim to be true.Go ahead.
>>722583375>crypto obsessed trannyclockwork
>>722582949NTA but because many people are computer illiterate, don't have the hardware or because even prompting good results requires a level of know-how
>>722583395Lemons, yes.
I haven't seen anything good made with AI.And these fags have been saying "coming soon" for yearsThat only works for so long
>>722583423>It's a retarded American culture warHow the fuck does this relate to AAA games being the sloppiest lowest effort possible corpo slop?
>>722575103Because we already saw how bad AI (Actually Indians) shat up vidya. People would rather play 10+ year old games then bother with modern sloppa.
Why are there just two really prominent AI faggots on /v/ that spam the same garbage all the time? You're here every single day posting your shitty Akihiko Yoshida rip-off shit in every thread like same lame as fuck trip-faggot that needs a gay little avatar so everyone knows it's you.Same with the faggot in every single World of Warcraft and Elf thread that spams the same garbage AI elves in business suits. I get that it's your hobby, but why do you need to inject it into every facet of your personality? You're no Akihiko Yoshida, you didn't draw jack shit in that art style
>>722575103Because eventually even investors get tired of hearing "just two more weeks" and actually want to see results.
>>722583542True, AIslop is forgettable waste that even the proompters will forget about their "8k masterpiece best quality" generations a week from now.
>>722583462If that meant much then standard IT already being done which is far more complicated would be highly lucrative
>>722582198>American politics
>>722583691>muh schizo boogeymenGo outside if this starts happening to you on this site. Genuinely take some time off from the internet, you're in too deep.
>>722583542>>722583704is this a trooncord? they all have the same talking points
>>722583542>>722583704is this a trooncord? they all have the same talking points and type like reddit leftists
>>722583372You either misunderstand my post or blatantly choose to not engage: I explained why people would care about someones weird fantasies.
>>722583691>why would the people who know about the topic talk about the topic?!?!A novelty for /v/, to be sure.
>>722578684AI also loves hallucinating libraries that don't exist and include them in the codeWe've been joking that sooner or later someone malicious will try to submit some to NPM and start injecting malware into random projects thanks to AI
>>722583792>Noo stop noticing. Go take a break. Whatever you do, do not notice things!>If you notice something, you need to take a break from it!>>722583849>Know about the topic.Taking an AI model trained off one guy's artwork and typing in [big boobs] [blonde hair] [While holding staff]Is not knowledge. Put your Akihiko Yoshida artwork images back on to your posts.
>>722583845I guess I did misunderstand because what I saw was you arguing that your non-existent sale matters for theoretical future products, while you ignore that people buy things that they like. It's very strange behavior and several people in this thread share it. You guys just seem deranged to me.
>>722579038nvidia never intended you to use local modelsthey still don't offer prosumer AI hardware and they actively hold back the top line of their gayming bricks in terms of vram
>>722583691They're losers that finally feel like they have created something for the first time in their life and they come to /v/ since they have no one in the real world that would give a shit about their slop so they spam it here. You have to feel sorry for these people in a way.
>>722583996>he pretends to know how it worksCute. But sorry, schizo, you are talking to someone else.
Evil > Neuro
>>722584032>people buy things that they likeWhy would people buy Ai images, when they can just promt the image (for free) themselves?>B-b-but muh knowledge of the prompts!!!I can copy and paste your image, and get all the prompts that generated it.You are not special. Your ai generated images are not worth paying for.
>>722575450Pic source?>>722584146Based
>>722575103Why do you want to talk to humans about it? You have AI, don't you? Go talk to it.
>>722584063>nvidia never intended you to use local modelsThey release local models and open sourced research.>they still don't offer prosumer AI hardware Yes they do.>and they actively hold back the top line of their gayming bricks in terms of vramThat is true and I hate that but it is good business.>>722584156I'm really not going to answer such a stupid question. Stop acting deranged.
>>722584146I like them both, neuro is more philosophical I think. both of them can become really fucking mean though (at least in the past)
>>722584251>Can't answer a simple questionThen you lose.
>>722575781400lbs american spotted
>>722584247trannies aren't human, stay on your reddit
>>722575103Because "AI" produces absolutely fucking nothing of valueBoth code and art have to be redone by an actual competent programmer/artist before it can reach a state that's actually usable, and at that point you've invented a machine that only makes the workload even worse
AIfags are the trannies of the art world, both pretending to be something they'll never be. They try to invade artist spaces just like troons try to invade women's spaces. Doesn't help that AIfags try to hide that their slop is AI just like how a tranny tries to hide their adam's apple.
>>722575103Too resource heavy for a game
AI is helping game development by making me money I use to buy games (and junk food). Make a decent amount on commissions, going to try growing my patreon this month.
>>722584404>artist spaces>IM NOT A TRANNY THOyou are about as good at hiding as a skinwalker and just as ugly
>>722583574ragebait against leftists and people on Twitter is the primary selling point the AI community uses to justify their flavor of slop.But in the end of the day it's all slop.
>>722584318Congratulations on pretending to not know the answer to a simple question, anon. You won!
>>722575103New tools take time to learn how to use effectively.
>>722584518Congrats on not being able to answer a simple question, anon!You lose!
>>722584478YWNBAArtistYENBAWomanIt's time to stop playing pretend.
>>722584632who wants to be some pompous faggot on twitter? that's your gay little playground, dickless fruit
>>722584404>be in modding discord server>rule says not to post gen AI because the server can be overrun by low quality spam>guy shows up, keeps posting ai gen despite multiple warnings>gets banned, goes on a character asssasination episode on twitter>the person he's trying to publicly shame for banning him has made actually good mods, so the ragebaiter is just laughed at insteadpeak
>>722584709Apparently the aifags do since they're pretending to be artists
>>722584709>making art means you're on twitterThe brain rot is out of this world.
>>722584762I mean maybe they'd get banned on jewsky since that site is run by tranny communists from the burning wasteland of california
>>722584632>PUCK
Kill yourself elfnigger
>>722579342>Why isn't there backlash against Neuro-sama?Not only have I not seen any backlash but the channel is run by a dude getting most watched female twitch streamer
>>722584726>be in modding discord server>for some reason artists randomly cold call me looking for commissions>be honest with them and say I use AI but am friendly and ask to see their work>check it out, compliment them , but don't post mine because it would probably sour the interactionAnyone else know this feeling?
>>722584709Judging from the mountains of AI slop I see dumped on twitter daily, it's AI users.
>>722584801I wouldn't know anything about that since i actually have a life unlike aifags
>>722584251>I'm really not going to answer such a stupid question.Anon, we both know that you're gonna spam this thread till it gets bumped off the board. Doing so, even if it's stupid, and by doing so I mean, pointing out the flaws in one's argument is a good thing for critical thinking.If you want to prove me wrong, leave the board.Therefore, if your "work" could be decoded back into it's primitive array of specific words for free, why would anyone pay for it? Steam is worth, in part because of denuvo but also the convenience of not having to worry(too much) about the game being compromised.>>722584762>artistsThey're not even illustrators.
>>722579342well, he's also platforming a few dozen or so other vtubers who wouldn't have made it big without him and they all love him and even told their fans to vote for him as best vtuber
>>722584896oh, I'm sure a disingenuous leftist like you has a big life outside of discord raids on /v/
>>722579342Because it's up front and center utilizing AI rather than pretend it's not, and is inherent to the brand.No one hated AI dungeon, everyone hates the sea of slop on Steam. Anyone arguing this is a left vs right thing needs to be rangebanned off the website.
Ai is already being used for asset creation (see CoD scandal) but LLM's are still too shit to rely on for programming and they sure as shit aren't ready to be used to interact with humans.
Let's face it, the only reason anyone is against AI is because it destroys all the amateur wannabe artists who can't draw to save their lives. The people who are objectively bad, but have coasted on the artist's community insufferable, hugboxy "we'll all make it" lie. That and all the loser anons who spent years thinking they'll totally start drawing, improve their lives, be happy, etc... and will totally start "tomorrow " but never did.
For me it's ninomae ina'nis
>>722584918You already know the answer, there's no benefit to me stepping into your deranged bait. It's far more productive to reply like this laugh at the replies like I have been.
>>722579342You have no idea how much of a clique there is in the indie sphere, it's metaphorically a mafia.
Neuro is cool but I despise the troons she collabs with
>>722585058BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
>>722584829Based. Whores deserve to lose.
>>722584726That happens pretty much anytime they go outside of their bubble. That's why you'll never see AItards out in public because they already know that they would get laughed at for trying to be taken seriously.
>>722583372>Your post said absolutely nothingPretending to be retarded is not a very effective strategy to sway people to your side
It's so fun to trigger artfags on /v/ that i wouldn't blame anyone if they were trolling a little bit
>>722584867I think a lot of those fuckers are scammers, about a year ago a random one came at me from one of the side discords I was in and I did the same thing not knowing wtf it was and about every three months I keep getting similar messages from randoms with the same approach and now I just insta block them
>>722585108she has never collabed with a non female vtuber to my knowledge, some IRL stuff with guys though like the japan trip and the disney trip
>>722585150True, I'm kind of glad that AI bros are the most insufferable people in existence so that the general public despises AI even more than they do now.
>>722577841Peoples 401Ks are also pretty heavily invested into that bubble.
>>722585058There are many others but that is one of the more common reasons.>>722585171Possibly but artists do find work that way. The few I've interacted with seemed legit.Have you had the "nice pfp did you draw it?" posts? I wonder what the end game is with that scam.
>>722575103I love Neuro sama so much its unreal.
>>722585318They're gonna lose all their money just like the people that invested their life savings into Logan Paul's crypto zoo.
>>722585091>It's far more productive to reply like this>productivelmaoIt's a conversation, not a business proposal on Shark Tank or whatever the fuck. You're on an imageboard, a forum, a place to discuss shit.You the type of guy to only engage with people in the interest of hustling or what?
>>722585256There wouldn't have been half as much pushback against AI if the AI bros managed to act like normal humans.
OH NO...any day now, artsissies!
>>722584867You should look into something like Vroid if you want to turn these into character models or Vtubers but not engage in all the modelling autism.
>>722579408Unironically, the way to avoid that for now is to add nigger or any slur to the end of your query. I'm dead serious. Google is scared shitless of there being screenshots of their AI saying niggerfaggot, so any query that includes a slur won't include that shitty ai result at the top
>>722585384she had her cuteness upped significantly with that new haircut
>>722585440They're burning billions every month with no progress. 99% of that money being from early investors.
>>722583058>everyone just busy AMD and installs Linux instead Like that is ever going to happen!
They are never going to tell you they are using it
>>7225856562 more weeks and they are fucking DONE
>>722585689>Nobody will be able to tell i'm a tranny
>>722580502Not him, but an AIfag here. AI at the current state can't make something as good as the Sonic CD opening.And to be fair, no studio nowadays can do something like that anymore.Shadow Generations Dark Beginnings episodes is the best they can do now.
>>722585440If the bubble actually pops, I think every luddite will be vindicated as having objectively superior foresight. Artists were quick to adopt digital, 3D, procedural workflows, and even VR, but were seen as anti-tech once they didn't accept NFTs and AI.So I'd like to see the buzzword die, and I'm looking forward to it.
>>722585749anti AI transfolx say this every time they post ITT
>>722585390Most 401K and regular investors in general, are very heavily dominated by the S&P500, They don't think about the companies inside, they just think it's 'diversified and safe'.Meanwhile Nvidia + meta and all the other ai bubble stocks are pretty much the only things pumping that up for a while now.
>>722585393We aren't having a conversation because you have no respect or you're mentally challenged. You're asking why people buy things and acting like it's a reasonable question. This is a joke.>>722585490I just want to generate stuff. Someone that 3D prints images follows me though, I think that's a really cool supplemental thing to do. I always think that there could be a lot of money in that business, I wonder if anyone does it professionally. Those nanobanana threads for example, a lot of people said they'd buy those figures.
>>722580016Yeah I remember when there were these people pulling freight boxcars behind them across thousands of kilometres those were the days
>>722585770The Sonic social media animations are kind of slop but their heart is in the right place.The Sonic CD animation was basically just standard Toei anime opening quality, yet it's somehow a high bar :(
>>722585783Artists did adopt AI quickly, we're just in another phase of "THATS NOT REAL ART" coming from retards lol.
Third worlders love AIslop just as much as they love bootleg garbage.
>>722575318This. Beyond updooting some whiny post on reddit, they're powerless to do anything. Not to mention AI has been used for a long time at this point, pretty much unnoticed.
>>722575103NUR IN THE LOG
>>722585938AI artists are quite popular in japan, interestingly enough. their art is getting neigh indistinguishable from the real thing and they even have commissions much to the ire of artists that seethe about AI
>>722585857It's like anon doesn't understand the steam engine, like most industrial revolution items, eliminated low/unskilled labor.Actual artists of skill and capability aren't threatened by AI.It will kill the people who make their money from furries, for example.
>>722585834>I wonder if anyone does it professionally. Doing stuff like 3D Vtubers and VR Chat avatars is largely just a side hustle from what I understand, so people tend to make the avatars through kitbashing asset rips and character creators like Vroid.There's only like one guy I see doing it professionally but it's all by hand, one of those "top 1%" artists that has deals with big Vtubers, and even then doesn't seem to be making a huge amount.Only bother if you think it's cool and want some cash on the side, but unless you know how to minmax revenue with stuff like Twitch, the money isn't really there imo
>>722586035I can confirm. My audience is mostly Japanese. It's a shame they don't seem to use Patreon that much. Hopefully fanbix alliws back in soon.
>>722585834Why would people buy Ai images, when they can just promt the image (for free) themselves?>B-b-but muh knowledge of the prompts!!!I can copy and paste your image, and get all the prompts that generated it.You are not special. Your ai generated images are not worth paying for. Why do you think they are?
>>722583149Rare Chuck Wendig W
>1,541 resultsyep, I'm thinking AI won (hearts and minds)https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/Neuro-sama/artworks?ai_type=1
>>722575103It's unfortunate she gathered one of the worst fanbases in vtubing
>>722583043Farms are more important but they don't top market values.
>Pic related, it's when AIfags see successful artists.
>>722586035People really like some of those AI artists that make gacha characters. They're extremely popular by regular artist standards.>>722586114Yeah I know about those guys, they're a bit like people with modding patreons. But I was talking about turning images into 3D models and then 3D printing them as physical figurines.
>>722586219no one use shitiv anymore
>>722586228>no trannies cause AI>no niggers because niggers think VTubing steals viewers from kai cignat or whatever his name is>metric fuckton of artists that draw her fanart, ironically (considering this thread)nah, best audience more like
AI bros can't even think for themselves that they might as well be NPC bots.
>>722585938Most "artists" aren't drawing arts if you think about it.
>200 more posts of poorly made bait to goMore certain everyday that this world is just another planet's hell
>>722586446AI would have made a more creative post
>>722586219I think AI is the largest boondoggle possibly of all time but watch Neuro.
AI could rule over the digital pornography landscape, while real artists find work elsewhere.
Current iterations are a boondoggle
>>722576556Real question, how do I make money off the bubble popping
>mfw I don't support "artists" or AIslop>I get to watch the monkeys flip shit at each others
>>722586541>seething about le pedosbrowncath rage
>>722586508>>722586520boondogglemind
>work for global synhetic DNA manufacturer>two years ago the corporate suits fell for the AI meme and tried pushing it hard>we get some dipshit just below the VPs who is in charge of trying to integrate the tech anywhere he can >one of the services we offer is custom built DNA as per manufacturer specifications >naturally we have a team of phd chemists who know what they are doing to make this shit work>retard fires 2/3, has AI create a blueprint based on customer specs, then the last remaining phd chemist checks it>according to the dude it literally just did not work and fucks up constantly so now he has to do 3x more work while being forced to use this shit tech>eventually the whole project gets canned and they rehired another phd chemist>now they are trying to have the AI interpret LCMS data for QC so the QC team is pissed>this is on top of negative corporate morale because the suits gave dozens of people 0 warning before sacking them a month ago on top of closing several sites to save moneyI swear AI is one massive fraud meme ala NFTs but aimed at retarded boomers with too much money instead of retarded techbros. They are STILL trying to push this shit despite having the worst financial quarter in a decade.
>>722586548invest and watch the line go up
>>722586548the bubble only exists in tranny's brains, so something that exploits that, maybe anti AI merch made by AIs
>>722584632>People don't like a thing that makes people lazier/stupider/more wasteful>It's now ableism because there's massive overlap between people that can't be bothered to do anything and people that can't do anythingI am genuinely becoming ableist now.
>>722586548You short nvidia shares with time-traveler precision
>>722585834>You're asking why people buy things and acting like it's a reasonable question.It is though, with context, which you leave out. There are people who buy handmade objects instead of cheaper factory made. There are people who choose to buy veggies, meat, bread from farmers, butchers or bakeries than from Walmart.I guess you still won't answer or engage with discussion so I'll leave you with this scenario & question. Don't worry, you don't have to answer it, just to ponder on. In fact please don't answer.>If someone has an OC they they really love but can't portray it, why would said individual choose to commission an artist(not illustrator or animator, but above them) instead of generating it with a diffusion model?You know it kinda saddens me that you don't want to engage and choose to only deflect. But do know that, engaging like this won't make you seem like another reasonable anon(which is a highbar to be fair, at least by this places' standards). Have a nice day!
>>722586548short nvidia (don't actually do this you'll lose everything)
>>722586548It would be shorting ai & related companies, but the hard part isYou need to somehow foresee when exactly the curtain will drop for investards
>>722586607>I swear AI is one massive fraud meme ala NFTs but aimed at retarded boomers with too much money instead of retarded techbros.It really feels like that lmao. Like every CEO attended the same convention and listen to the same spiel.
>>722586787in 2 more weeks, obviously
>>722586672>massive overlap between people that can't be bothered to do anything and people that can't do anythingI've always been unable to discern the difference, really.Both have something wrong with them that prevents them from completing the task.The nature of the fault is only relevant to the question of a cure. In terms of results, they may as well be identical.
>>722585058Trvth Nuke
>>722586056Indeed. In fact AIjeets existing got me more work while I was freelance translating, because whenever I'd give a quote, the stupid faggots would always try to haggle by saying "durr b-but I can use AI". To which I'd tell them to go on and use AI and stop bothering me then. Almost inevitably, they were back a week later asking if I can get it done within the next 2-3 days cause now it's urgent, at which point I'd ask for 50-300% more due to the urgency and because they'd been faggots previously.Thankfully I no longer work freelance though
>>722586692It's funny seeing you roll around in the mud trying to get me to join but I will not. Ask AI since this problem is too complicated for you, he can help.
>>722586913and then everybody clapped
>>722585058I don't care about what tools produce art, only the art that's produced. I have no issues with AI art.I take issue with AI fucking up search algorithms and being shoehorned into processes in such a way that they become more inefficient.
>>722586942>No answerThen you lose the argument and the discussion.
>>722586971whatever helps you sleep at night palnow go prompt a pic of people clapping or something
>>722586942AI has only made your worthless life that much more worthless.
>>722587039embarrassing
>>722587015We weren't arguing and you aren't trying to have a discussion.>>722587056How?
>>722586548You're competing against people who follow this stock every day, don't bother.Someone like Soros can make money shorting stocks because he has face-to-face discussions with the other investors, and he can guess when they are being dumb.
AI has failed in most industries. Its great for simple scalable work but terrible everywhere else.
>>722586942Why can't you answer that very simple question?
>>722575103It isIf you think major companies aren't using AI you're delusional
>>722587116You already lost the discussion by refusal to participate.If you didn't want to lose, why didn't you answer the questions? You can't win by deflecting.
>>722587220They don't.Big companies have these things called lawyers that have to check everything going through to see if anything infringes copyright leading to potential lawsuits and millions in losses.
>>722582950You talk like a nigger.
I'm a wannabe AI grifter on twitter. I don't care about being an artist, I see myself more like a visualist or designer. I just want money.
>>722587353You're an idiot
>>722587231This is so funny, you think it's an argument when you ignore the very basics of trade and what your supposed opponent says. In reality, this is called a concession. Pretending to be retarded is not an argument. >>722587353The majority of game developers are using AI.
>>722586590>not denying both wow lol
>>722579996>where is the downsidethey'll downsize to save money and the end product will get even worse.
everybody loves neuro!
>>722587512You already lost the discussion by refusal to participate.If you didn't want to lose, why didn't you answer the questions? You can't win by deflecting.>I-i-it's not an argumentI know, because I'm correct and you are not. There's nothing to argue about.
>>722587353It's only stealing if you get caught.
>>722587503Nobody is going to care since as soon as people realize that the image is AI, all the magic from it will be gone in an instant.
>>722587353artrannies ACTUALLY believe this!
>>722575103because it's too stupid to handle such a complicated task effectively, retarded shills will tell you otherwise though
>>722587673Ironic the guy pretending to be artist is calling anyone a tranny.
>>722575318this, if the game is good, that's literally all that matters
>>722587767you're not an artist btw, you just pretend to be when seething about AI
HEART
If it's used correctly, no one knows they did it.Also? AI assistance covers way way more than people think.A lot of the time that's spent drawing, is on snags. Things that we're not sure how they ought to look. Random, tedious things that we don't have a perfect handle on. AI provides and unprecedented level of visual aid, what with img2img and inpainting helping that aid even further. "-Oh. I never considered it doing that specific thing. That looks way better. I can do that, it just hadn't really occurred to me."A causality enchancer.Testing scale, testing colors, testing composition. You know how long such TESTS took before? Even if you were settling for just a rough sketch?You really would have to have been an artist in the trenches for awhile, to truly grasp what's happened here. Anyone who is just using AI, from start to finish, with no synthesis at all, is a dolt. Likewise are the people who are going full-luddite on AI, as though it has nothing to offer. CONDOLENCES. THE LUDDITES LOST.THE LUDDITES WILL ALWAYS LOSE.
>>722587606Is it even possible to get worse? It's such a mess these days. That could happen but AI by default is something that will cut costs so I think they would upsize if anything. Otherwise the laid off animators could make their own businesses.>>722587625But it's you who refused to participate. Did you forget when you started being disingenuous?
AI already proves its worth by the immense seethe it generates free, that's literally free energy. Kyubei would explode with jealous.
>>722587832Only trannies pretending to be artists and jeet scammers like AI sloppa
>>722587932>AI provides and unprecedented level of visual aid, what with img2img and inpainting helping that aid even further.Stopped reading there
>>722588047delulu
>google pours one morbillion dollars into AI development>get results like thisNot only has BL4 been out for just under a month at this point and is a game that exists, not only is goredello not a character, but the general knoxx DLC is from BL1, not 2.
>>722588085You sure are.
>>722588124this is like saying hammers are stupid because you mashed your thumb with one
>>722588014>But it's you who refused to participateFactually untrue.You already lost the discussion by refusal to participate.If you didn't want to lose, why didn't you answer the questions? You can't win by deflecting.
>>722587503>I just want moneyAppeal specifically to indian culture, pretend to have a deep interest and respect for them as a people and generate a ton of images of a futurist AI powered india and they'll flock to you in droves. After that, just turn on twitter ad revenue, bonus points if you make youtube videos of a similar nature using AI tools for narration and stock footage, just figure out how to write verbose but vaguely plausible scripts to reel the suckers in.If you throw away your dignity, lie, cheat and steal, you'll bring in a respectable income of maybe a couple hundred dollars a month.
>>722588194kid pussy
>>722588079>Nyehehehehehehe>I didn't absorb all the information!>What do you say to THAT?>NyeheheheheheheDarn I guess I'm fucking vanquished.Who can stop this argument MACHINE?
>>722588196That's not even remotely what it's like.
>>722588196Analogy doesn't apply, the point of this tool is that it's supposed to be autonomous.
>>722587634You are not wrong. I ran that experiment and the images not labeled AI were a hit. That just proves the work is good tho, just need to break into the coomer audience.
You got to ask yourself if AI is so bad and not threatening to any job why are people seething so hard about it every day?
>>722588196AI is more like self driving cars that drive into people.>YOU CAN'T STOP TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS LUDDITES!>AIIYYYEEEEEE *crashes 200 mph into the wall*
>>722588014>Is it even possible to get worse? It's such a mess these days.Of course it can. I doubt that getting rid of artists and only keeping people who focus on trying to pump out as much money as possible from AI is going to make a better product.
>>722588196should be easy to use reddit database to give him the correct answer
>>722588257YES
>>722588205I did answer and you ignored me. I guess that's when I "won" what you consider an argument. And you've been coping ever since.
>>722588350It's threatening artists and VAs, so nobody anyone really cares about
>>722588362>You have to defend the timeline projections of RANDOS>DO IT NOW!I didn't agree to that.And for your trouble, I pee on your treasured belongings.
>>722588315>>722588326>>722588362>>722588374you intentionally did something to break the toolthis is literally like smashing your own finger and saying hammers are stupid
>>722588326Not that guy but there's never been a fully autonomous machine.Whenever automation is involved there's still someone doing maintenance to make sure the machines work properly.
>>722588196If you sell me a hammer that's advertised to perfectly nail everything by itself and instead it explodes, then yes it is stupid.
>>722588350Because nobody wants to look at the slop spammed everywhere just like how trash and shit is littered in every street in India.
>>722588265Just don't say retarded shit next time and maybe I would read the rest of it
>>722585783The bubble popping wouldn't change what advances we've already been given and proven possible forever.So no, not even then would they be vindicated.
>>722588548>If you sell me a hammer that's advertised toscroll down retard
>>722588561No anon.Plainly put, YOU, are retarded.
>>722588350Because it is threatening jobs despite causing more problems than it fixes.
>>722588517How did he break the tool? he just googled something that any other chatbot would answer correctly
>>722588405>I did answer and you ignored meQuote your answer, please. I don't want to ignore you and if I did, i didn't mean to.Quote the post with your answer in your next reply please.
>>722588517>you intentionally did something to break the toolI didn't but go off king. Goredello is a location and quest in borderlands 4, a game that does exist contrary to google's AI, because I was curious if I was missing anything from it. Nothing I did was to try to confuse or break it. I didn't even search with the intent for their tool to answer, it shows up anyways. Not only does it say that the game I'm playing doesn't exist, but that it's from a DLC attributed to the wrong game that came out 15 years ago.
>>722588716That's a problem of speculators.If a leader is a retarded speculator, that is its own issue that would've led to problems such as this sooner or later.AI is a tool, it's not AI's fault that people think it's FUCKING MAGIC.
>>722588704no u
>>722588531Again, the point of AI is that it's supposed to be autonomous. That is all of the point. Man's last invention. The big one. The singularity. That is what AI is hyped up as, and it can't even get google summaries right.It probably could if they stopped fiddling with its brain and wiping it every time it called niggers a plague upon the earth, or questioned the motivations of the jews, or insinuated that men cannot give birth, but here we are.
>>722588350It is actively making my job worse by forcing updates to tools I use that make them perform worse. Whoever designed quickbooks new AI should be shot.
>>722588810No, anon.You.Times infinity.
>Mfw I tell aifags: "You didn't make it".
>>722588820>Again, the point of AI is that it's supposed to be autonomous.Tools are not autonomous.Tools thin tedium.That is all they do.That is the only promise.Stop saying other shit.There's nothing new under the sun.
>>722588014>Is it even possible to get worse?never doubt it. personally i think AI can and even SHOULD be used in animation (surely there is a better option that slapping a filter on a google earth image for backgrounds), but i also know how companies generally operate. it's either gonna be a case of letting staff go or taking on additional projects so people still end up overworked and barely keeping up with schedules.
>>722588739You're being disingenuous once again.If you want my respect you can scroll up and reply like a man.
>2 years ago they couldn't shut up about fingers>now all they've got is whining about a google search that went wrong one timenot looking good for the anti AI troons...
>>722588878nuh uh
>>722588980>Can't quote his own postThen you lose, again by refusal to participate.
>>722589009Perhaps you should've been the first one to say 'times infinity.'It's too late for anything else.
>>722588980Keep proompting big bobs and vagene, sar.It's as close as you'll get to any real pussy in your life.
>>722588517>you intentionally did something to break the tool
>>722584146Evil best girl
>>722588820My favorite part about the present AI saga is that you can verifiably ask ChatGPT every single tenet of genocide, and it will answer keenly and with consistent logic about what makes for a genocide, what countries have committed genocides, and where genocides have occurred that might be comparable to genocides elsewhere, and you can even set parameters that are identical to what is going on in Gaza at present and it will affirm that they are genocides. Then you ask "Is Israel committing a genocide in Gaza?" and every single red alert and information barrier flags all at the same time.
>>722585857kek
>>722588368I wonder. We'll see.>>722588963They are using it for that already but I was thinking more about animation, since video is creeping closer and closer to being useful.
I only buy human made games sorry.>But EVERY game is going to use AI :^)There is already a lifetime of backlog. Unlucky.
>>722589004If you force a feature on me I'm going to complain when it does something stupid.
>>722589230>i'm retarded too!
>>722588962Yet again, THIS tool is supposed to be autonomous, to perform tasks without human intervention or maintenance. To put it in the simplest possible terms, it is intended to use the hammer in your place. The ultimate and last breakthrough in automation. It's far too late to downplay the goals, they've been precisely detailing what they hope this shit will be for decades.
>>722575517Why do we have vtubers again?
>>722589285Zased.
>>722588820You might've noticed there's no proper advertisement for AI. It's all word of mouth or "X says something on social media".
>>722589285>I only buy human made games sorry.KEK another gaymer "boycott"
>>722589320I reject your hypothesis on its face.No.
>>722589229Verboten ideas. Kind of proves that if governments had actual mind control capabilities, they wouldn't hesitate to do some snip snip in your brain cage.
>>722589348to make trannies seethe endlessly, AI does the same thing
>>722589063>irrefutable proof that you're a disingenuous loser that won't even scroll upKind of based that you leapt into the trap card. This is the last time I reply to you, it's been fun.>>722589004Especially since they had to force the hallucination. Sometimes those AI results are wrong but they're mostly right in my experience.
>>722589441You already lost the discussion by refusal to participate.If you didn't want to lose, why didn't you answer the questions? You can't win by deflecting.
>>722577841>easily replacedI'm gonna have to stop you right there, pal.
>>722575517Total vtuber death but Neuro can stay. Btfo's vtuber whores>>722576268She isn't wrong you freak
>>722587004>I have no issues with AI art.well you should because it's shit and actually does ruin a lot of good things in various ways, it's not just about some poor unpopular artists crying
>>722589441AIfags will never get the praise and recognition they desperately want that real artists receive. Sorry but nobody likes frauds.
>>722577841>Nvidia is leading in software, hardware, and robotics>has partnerships with every relevant tech and health company>wonder why their stock value is so high
>>722575517How did we go from this to the vtuber with the most trannies and fags fans?
>>722589439But 99% of tranny streamers are vtubers for obvious reasons.
>>722589591you sound insane with a huge chip on your shoulder
>>722589639Is that why they can't get the chinks to stop having their 4090s and 5090s blow up after plugging them in more than 4 times?
>>722589615>praise and recognition they desperately wantHoly self report
>>722589650lol ok
>>722589591What does it ruin?>>722589615No need to be jealous of me, it's just art.
>>722589615I could. I just wouldn't mention it's AI :)
>>722589765It's true, anytime an AIfag posts their image on here, it's like a child running up to their mom with a macaroni drawing, except in this case the macaroni drawing isn't even theirs which makes it much sadder.
>>722589348VTubers that are not affiliated with corporations are not conduits for Yiddish manipulation, and very, very frequently have been shown to attract hate from larger names for stepping out of line and saying wrongspeak. They have a tendency to either casually joke about racism, the general evils of corporate structure, feminism being full of evil bitches, generally liking people and one another, and most especially how much of a vacuum of intelligence websites like Xitter and R*ddit tend to be. You'll find the occasional subhuman Xitteroid trxnsblxckfolx somewhere in the 2view territory that nobody watches, takes seriously, or enjoys, but on the whole, indies are a potent force in a burgeoning market that the kike upper echelon can't really sink their claws into, so they need to convince the world they're all evil.
>>722589787>it's just art.It's not.Ai can't make art, only images.
>>722575103It is. Literally every developer uses it to assist in debugging which is one of it's strongest uses. If they're not, they're wasting a lot of time.
>>722589960That's a weird cope.
>>722590001How so? Be specific.
>>722589385Not to the general populace, but pitching ideas to investors, or in Google's case seeking budget for R&D, is literally advertisement. That said, leniency where it's due, we don't even have "AI" verbatim, machine learning R&D is still in its relative infancy, so it isn't much more than a very big weighted if/then table at this point, but calling it what it is doesn't sound cool enough to aging boomers stewing in their liquefying brains.Point is, I assure you that in the proper circles, this technology has always promised to replace the need for human labour, that's always been the ultimate goal of machine intelligence, otherwise it wouldn't need to be intelligent, the assembly line and precision robotics covers most of our present needs quite nicely.
>>722589982this. you're either retarded or lying to say otherwise
>>722589787You didn't make that.
>>722589960>Ai can't make art, only imagesPlease explain this.
>>722589982Why would I use a tool that gets maths questions wrong to assist in debugging anything?
>>722590042An image is a piece of art and AI is a tool used to make art. You are using a semantics argument to deny defined words.
>>722590110>>722590137Art can only be made by humans.Images made by non-humans are not art.Simple as.
>>722590001>>722590110not him but art requires an artist, a mountain is beautiful but it's not art
>>722588694so you're selling a hammer with fine print that says it might explode sometimes and advertising it above all your other models. very cool
>>722590203So in other words, all someone has to do is NOT TELL YOU.That is a shit position to put yourself in voluntarily.
>>722590203All images are made by humans.
AI can't make games that people want to play.
>>722590249And in any case where an artist uses AI as assistance, it will always involve an artist.
>>722590267>So in other words, all someone has to do is NOT TELL YOU.No. I never said or implied this.Cute cope.
>>722590249The artist is right there basking in seethe.
>>722575517>Chat spamming based
>AIfags when they have to prove they made it
>>722581609There will never be an official hentai ai, gore is forbidden by ai, bugs aren’t something ai understands and original creatures beyond ai comprehension is never happening.You’re a sad pathetic human if your anger against artists being better is driving this stupid propaganda of yours.
>>722590480Wrong on all counts.
>>722582202Then tell Google AI to kill anon, do it!
>>722590480It's been 3 years and AI bros are still dreaming about their ideas that will never happen.
>>722590480Literally nothing you said is remotely true.
>>722590356>assistancekekbut nah a commissioner isn't an artist
>>722590318>AI will NEVER make images that people want to look at>AI will NEVER be able to write stories that people want to read>AI will NEVER be able to write music that people want to listen toyou are here \/>AI will NEVER be able to make games that people want to play
>>722590480>There will never be an official hentai ailmaoIt's called NovelAI.
>>722590672>>AI will NEVER be able to make games that people want to playit's already done this honestly
>>722590643>>assistance>kekDid you have an opinion of some kind..?
>>722590672AI can barely do the first, and 99.9% of what's posted is coombait. None of the rest is in the cards for at least 10 years.
>>722590672>You are hereActually we're still on the drawing one.
Nvidia GPU drivers still don't work on Windows 11 today or Linux for gaming fuck this thread
>>722590672>AI will NEVER make images that people want to look atHonestly they're good enough for a quick fap, but I wouldn't classify any generation as worthy of preservation in a museum.
>>722590917Be honest.You think these look good.
>>722590046In a university setting you're better off overselling your idea, the current "products" are things like early detection of cancer cells, whatever they use to make new medicines, car that can drive itself etc.I've been on /r/Singularity and they're basically a sci-fi fanbase.
>>722590847lol bye
I thought I was useless until I looked at AIfags. Those guys are hopeless.
>>722591067I'll take that as a no.
>>722590929Don't work how? I was going to update today, it's been a while.
>>722591032Self driving cars are a meme. You can just trap them in a circle of salt like a demon of yore.
>>722591012I preserve nice AI images that I like in my AI folder :)
>>722590530>>722590629>>722590704Where is this porn ai, dark web? Illegal copyright infringement? There was a hentai ai but github removed it. Proving that hentai ai can never be created. Those other porn ai are junk compared to the original ai.
>>722591202Same here, I actually like art.
>>722591202Hoarders do love to hoard trash.
>>722591202Your drive isn't a museum and isn't going to outlast you
>>722591284museums are dogshit for fart huffers
>>722591248This is actually embarrassing, you're a literal troglodyte.
>>722591026If you only posted the lower-right, I'd say yes and ask what game this was from. Seeing this collage of inconsistencies, poorly done animals with inexplicable limbs, and bad composition and coloring everywhere sours everything going on here.
>>722591284True, AIslop will be quickly forgotten and just another trend like VR and crypto.
>>722591415Neither of which caught on very much
>>722591387Okay but the thing is, each of those gens was created with the same tags, and each of them took only 4 seconds.That's before inpainting or real artist synthesis of any kind.Understand?
Nurthread hits bumplimit
>>722591387And here, have another.
>>722591501she won, AI won, neurwon
>>722591472>>722591553And now that I've seen each of those gens, with the same tags, in one second, I still only think the lower right looked good until I saw the collage, which undermined the only one that looked good. If you took this design you put together and handed it to a real artist, they could probably do well turning this into a real creation and potentially make actual art with it, but as it stands now, you've failed nine times to create anything nice, and that ruined the one time you actually succeeded by proxy.
>>722590704>NovelAI lacks realistic visionJunk!
Weebs have the most dogshit taste imaginable. And they truly wonder why they get bullied in school.
>>722591669You're just not being very honest then.Many such cases on this subject.
>>722591798I have piles of art folders at this point, seeing someone's promptwork is not going to impress me unless it's done something genuinely great in the process. Making your own scrimblo bimblo with dozens of inconsistencies in a featureless forest with animals that don't make sense isn't going to stand the test of time unless you actually do something interesting with it.
>>722591339You must be a newfag if you never heard of the legendary hentai stable diffusion that got taken down by the internet. The website disappeared without warning. Only people who have downloaded are the ones who are sharing it on pirate bay or other platforms.Your dumb account only models are weak. Real ai are ones that are illegal.
>>722592172Everyone is going to be able to tell it's AIslop in seconds and nobody will give a shit about it.
>>722591991I didn't show those to you expecting you to go "Wow, a masterpiece."You realize that, for starters, as reference material, those images are absolutely incredible? And those were just 10 of them?
>>722592463there's no point trying to reason with him, he's retarded
>>722592463>AIslop>those images are absolutely incredibleLmao.
>>722592680Yeah man.They're very good.
>neglects his children>fucks a different anime woman every day>tells his kids they are their "aunties">leaves the kids with them to fuck around moreWhy is he such a manwhore?
