>Yeah Dark Souls isn't actually difficult brah just do (insert strats you'd only develop if you played the game extensively)>Yeah Celeste isn't actually difficult brah >Yeah Super Meat Boy isn't actually difficult brahWhat's wrong with admitting a game is hard? I've beaten Celeste and SMB full completion but I don't pretend it was easy. I'd even go far as saying Super Mario Bros 3 is a decent challenge, provided you don't cheese it. When did this start becoming a dick measuring fratbro contest?
>>722580554about 70% of current gamer culture is defined by extreme insecurity
>>722580554Dark Souls really is kinda super easy and you know that, especially the first game, where almost all threats can be eliminated by strafing around in a circular pattern. I don't remember smb being very hard either.
>>722580554excluding the last world, celeste is a very casual game
>he played celesteTroon moment, if you liked when things were hard you wouldn't have given yourself erectile dysfunction with HRT.
>>722580554It's not just that.>Old good, new bad.>All Remakes/Remasters are complete shit>If you used this item/mechanic/difficulty then you didn't beat the gameNearly everything you see on the internet is hyperbolic or outright fake. It's exhausting. I suggest that you don't engage. Learn to move on and never look back. If you can find a group of people that are to cool to be around, appreciate your company, and actually enjoy doing the things you like, then cherish them because it's nearly impossible to find genuine friends nowadays.
>>722580554It's almost as if videogame difficulty is a subjective thing, and the very idea of it is difficult (haha) to quantify/describe.I have no reason to believe some people won't see SMB and Celeste as difficult games, because for those people a bite-sized challenge packed into single screen is not what difficulty is about.Let's also not forget that difficulty is not, usually, a constant thing. Dark Souls games are indeed somewhat tough at start, especially if you were only playing games of late 00s that held your hand all the way through, but after just a bit of learning they become MOSTLY fairly easy, at least as long as you don't set yourself up for failure with additional challenges, conciously or unconciously.
>>722581459>Old good, new bad.this is a good rule of thumb tho
>>722580554>What's wrong with admitting a game is hard?Where in the influencer era, everything is super easy and everything you see on your screen is real.
>>722580554this is just 4chan. every fag you talk to on this website is pretending to be maximum rank in every game, irl millionaire, married 50 years with 20 children. its a fucking joke. imagine caring about your pride and image when you post ANONYMOUSLY
>>722580554When fratbros entered video games? No, actually it's existed long before that because there are too many children (whether they're 12 or 36) in vidya and all they do is try to one-up each other.
>>722581907I balance this out by pretending to be more of a loser on 4chan than I am in real life
>>722580554The problem with difficulty in modern games is that modern games are just a war of attrition, there are no stakes for failure. Failure used to be a significant setback because it used to mean the loss of progress, now you can just resume where you failed or pretty damn close to it. I'm not saying it was better to lose 20 minutes of progress when you died, but the removal of such systems has had a knock-on effect towards difficulty. I've played games where I died a couple dozen times but still considered them to be easy, which should be contradictory.
>>722580972You and your stupid little Onimai pics and their 500 variants.. but you're so cute so I can't get mad at you ~
>>722582241>I've played games where I died a couple dozen times but still considered them to be easy, which should be contradictory.it's because your vocabulary is too weak. the word you're looking for is forgiving
>>722581907this is why I pretty much never ask here for advice on games any more. Any time I want to talk about a boss or something I'm struggling with, all the replies are just>lol git gud faggot>dude that fight was so fucking easy you casual>how are you struggling? by that point your attacks should be doing 9999 damage a hit so you just combo it to death
>>722580554Dark Souls really isn't that hard though, it just got memed as such because it came out during the era when everything else was super easy to coddle the normies who had recently invaded the hobby.
>>722580965fpbp. all these videos of beating ultra hardcore game blindfolded with 1 arm tied behind your back videos has poisoned the well of gamers and is now no different then seeing a ripped millionaire 6'4 gigachad on instagram. we live in the age of nothing is enough. there's no smelling the roses or playing a game normally without turning it into a status-seeking vice.
>>722580554>>722580965I can understand seeing it as a gesture of insecurity, but whenever I call a game like Dark Souls easy, I say it to be encouraging, not in a "lol it's easy, did you seriously struggle at it?" What I mean is that it seems hard at first, but you can easily overcome it once you figure out "the trick". Dark Souls's difficulty is an illusion, it's a paper tiger meant to intimidate you
>>722580554>Lying on the internet>Current cultureWelcome to the internet
>>722580554Good lord that's an old show.
>>722581985based
I tune out of discussion of games if it becomes centered around difficulty, whether it's people saying the game is hard, easy, in between etc.It is simply an uninteresting aspect of discussion.It reminds me of that old quote>great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, and small minds discuss peopleIn the case of vidya, the small minds tends to discuss difficulty. Such discussions are always marked by a poor grasp of rhetoric and language, very often screaming ESL.
>>722585984>small minds discuss graphics>average minds discuss story>great minds discuss the level of detail in the female characters' feet models
>>722585984>Such discussions are always marked by a poor grasp of rhetoric and language, very often screaming ESL.The thing is, difficulty is one of those things that's so subjective it's pretty much worthless trying to discuss it. What you find funny or not, what you find scary or not, and what you find difficult or not really are the whole trinity of worthless discussion topics, because it's impossible to articulate such a thing
Games aren't "difficult." Playing a musical instrument is difficult. Running a marathon is difficult. Learning a language is difficult. There are almost no games that are actually difficult, they just have a minor bump in the learning curve.
But it's generally true. You'd only think otherwise if you're very young and/or highly ignorant on the history of games.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoVVB3Va5kwIs a decent video on this topic.
>>722581459I like how you had to out yourself as a mimic using summoning bleed fag. No you didn't beat the game. You played a different experience entirely. You did not have the same experience that can be applied critically to conversation and discussion. You did not beat the game.
>>722586381Competitive multiplayer games are, by their very nature, difficult
>>722586381playing an instrument is easy as shit and running a marathon is just gay and retarded
>>722580554Yes, piss easy>>722581459>>Old good, new bad.>>All Remakes/Remasters are complete shitAll correct
>>722580554They're retarded incel with no other skill than playing video games, and they get good at it.But because of their low self esteem and having no other achievment in life, they can't take pride in what they do and therefore must "be easy".
>>722586642Depends on your opponent, and OP listed 3 single player games and 1 game with mostly optional PvP. Obviously when you have two people that want to win one must endure defeat but most people don't actually try to improve and just sit at whatever rank they place at for years
When I say it, I'm not saying it to flex. I'm saying it because I genuinely think it's cringey to be dishonest or delusional about a game's difficulty in order to inflate your own ego ("game is hard, but I can beat it, so I must be good at hard games"). There ARE hard games, but the word is overused. People will call shit like Etrian Odyssey "hard" and I think they're being retarded, basically. If your game can be cheesed in multiple ways consistently, it can't be called hard definitionally.Hard is hard. You know when something is kicking your ass from every direction. I personally find shmups and fighting games hard and am not interested in them. Human opponents are hard to beat, too. Most single-player games are inclusive of a casual audience and are not actually hard. Some are, but most aren't.I also don't care about your grandma's opinion on the question. I'm speaking from my perspective as a lifelong gaymer.
>>722580554Current culture? All I see is people whining about how everything is too artificially hard for them
>>722580554you're just bad
>>722588598> Human opponents are hard to beat, too.Can be*If it's generic matchmaker then no, it isn't hard if you're competent. Sadly most games are just loose in this regard so most players are NPC-tier (and often worse).
>>722588952I guess so but honestly, even the biggest retards on the planet will often pose more of a threat than any computer opponent. It depends on the game and genre.
>>722585167It's not actually encouraging.
>>722580554Games are easy anon. They dumbed everything down for brown people.
Couldn't give less of a shit, tranimefaggot
>>722588598A game being cheesable does not make it easy if it is not immediately obvious how to cheese it or it's something so stupid and unfun it's not worth doing.
>>722580554People vastly underestimate just how awful the average normie (of today at least) is at video games. If it's not Fifa, Madden, GTA or 2k they're completely helpless. I don't even think they could get past Super Mario Wii, let alone the retro versions.In here you're talking to the highest percentile autists who dedicate all their free time to playing obscure modhacks on top of an already difficult base game, so yeah these games aren't hard for them.. but what did it cost them? Do you envy their lives outside of gaming? Because if you knew, you wouldn't. Believe me.
>>722580554Yes, yes we know you were a dumb kid when DS first released
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>>722585167>Consort radahn is "easy">Orphan of Kos is "easy">Ninja gaiden max difficulty is "easy"No.
>>722580972Dark Souls is far harder than the baby's first 1all shitclear that you struggled so much with, troon
>>722586381I can agree with this. There are some examples to the contrary, but singleplayer games are made to be beaten, and with a tiny bit of perseverance, a player of average skill can overcome in 99% of cases.Compare that to reaching Challenger in League, which takes like 15k hours bare minimum, and even then only a very small minority will have the skills even at that point.
>>722580554>current culture calling every game "easy"?kill yourself
>>722593845Please be less harsh with Onimai poster.. he's precious and is trying his best!
>Anyone else hate the current cultureYes
>>722594145>Compare that to reaching Challenger in LeagueI agree, but where would you put being a #1 speedrunner or whatever on the difficulty scale? Do you think that's somewhat comparable to competitive multiplayer games?
>>722580554if I can beat a game without a walkthrough it is easy
>>722580965first post in and it has already been figured out
>>722580554Because an entire generation that slurped up the mass casualization of the PS3 era went out of their way to fetishize "difficult" games like Dark Souls when it came around as a way of being counterculture, not because they actually gave a fuck about games being difficult. As someone who actually enjoys difficult games, this has resulted in barely anything being made anymore that caters to me, all while people have horseshoed around to complaining about any game that puts up even the slightest resistance as being too hard and the difficulty getting in the way of their enjoyment of what they perceive to be a social experience.
>>722580554>(insert strats you'd only develop if you played the game extensively)Requiring a player to learn how to play the game does not constitute difficulty.
>>722580965First post best post.Doesn't matter if the boss took me 50 attempts, it's easy once it clicks**the AI throws me a bone
>>722580554Mainstream gaming is magnitudes easier than in the past. Niche hard games do exist though of course
>>722580554I'm prettybsure it's just to annoy (you) or because they wanted to fill in. Also, I love Felli.
One guy dies 100 times in a game and calls it easy.Another guy dies 10 times and calls it hard.Which one are you?Pic unrelated
>>722581907this is the most bullshit shitter take. people don't say games are easy because they want to flex their epeen, they say they're easy because they found the game easy and want devs to make a more challenging game.
>>722598617>people don't say games are easy because they want to flex their epeenLMAO
>>722585357been a while since i thought about Regios>I CAN SEE ZE BURRETS
>>722598617> people don't say games are easy because they want to flex their epeenNot absolutely, but it is very common. Whether to fuel ego, or for a laugh. I've known such people personally. To say that people "don't" ever do it is pretty dumb.
>>722581692>>722586762>old le good thoughso you play DOS games then right
>>722586381>Playing a musical instrument is difficult>just pressing levers and blowing>literally following direct instructions set in front of you on a stand>difficultlol, lmao. Video games are way more difficult than most instruments.
>>722594145>in 99% of casesYeah retard, that's why I flourish in the 1%.
>>722586762retard boomer spotted, take disregarded.
>>722598860fair enough, but its just as ridiculous to claim everyone who thinks games are easy is a liar pretending for "e-cred". and that opinion is annoying because it exists to stifle criticism of games that are too easy.
>>722586516i assume youre talking about Elden Ring. didnt Miyazaki say that he encourages players to play his games however they want? why are you gatekeeping how to play a game that the CREATOR said theres no wrong way to play?
>>722598961learn the violin and come back when your playing doesnt sound like nails on a chalkboard.
>>722586381Not true, competitive gaming is difficult. Real question is whether it's worth it to spend that much time on it.Pro guitar players practice 8 hours a day because they make a living out of it.
>>722598846>dig up my ancient PSP>by some miracle it still boots up>Felli as menu background image>suddenly remember Regios>[BRAVE YOUR TRUTH INTENSIFIES]
>>722581459I've never really played a great remaster. I guess the 2014 remaster of The Last of Us was good, it really was just the same game with more resolution but it wasn't really needed. Like I don't feel I'm losing anything by playing the PS3 version released a year before in 2013. I think that might be "the best remaster". Just of no reasonable value at best and actively harmful to a games artistic legacy at worst. There are people who only know PS2 games with their botched PS3/PS4 versions and thats tragic.Remakes can be good, and they are their own game so no confusion is there, but they just muddy game discourse. I think it's cool we got a Call of Duty game with Daniel Craig bond, I enjoy a good CODslop every now and then, but was it really necessary to call it "old game"? Capcom made a really cool game with Resident Evil 2 remake, but it's not Resident Evil 2 except when it takes a second to make another memberberry reference to Resident Evil 2. They basically created a new gameplay style with this game. Silent Hill 2 Remake and Alone in the Dark Remake 2 (lol) have more in common with this game than their original incarnations.More and more when need to put (XXXX year) when talking about a game and it's really stupid.
>>722580554I think it's a really subjective matter. People will have vastly different opinions on what's "easy" and what's "hard". The best way to try to arrive at an objective conclusion is to try to look at the matter using the lens of the average player, but even then it still end up being really subjective.
>>722580554This is because there isnt anything new going on At this point every single genre has stagnated over the last ~20 years so the people who have been playing that long have already been through anything these “new” games have to offer New games are just a rehash of another games formula making every “challenge” piss easy because it is literally nothing nobody hasnt already seen a billion timesIf youre shit at video games in the year 2025 maybe you should just quit while youre behind everyone elseTldr; sux2bu
>>722599561sure, right after you pick up Vatista in Under Night and get good enough to win a best of 3 against someone with a pink square next to their name.
>>722580554>calling the game easyIt makes idiots whose accomplishment in life is beating a pitiful video game seethe uncontrollably, since their only source of self-esteem gets diminished.Also, it actually is not that hard. If you want hard go write a fucking 1000 line query for that insane data base you have at work. That can legit take an entire week, beating some stupid "uber-hard" dark souls boss takes what, like 3 hours tops? Lmao, "hard" alright.
I remember this one anon who said F-Zero GX wasn’t that hard and I think that pushed the limit for a lot of others because he got a ton of hate.
>>722602713>I WORKnobody cares lol
>>722580554At least nobody denies Touhou is hard
>>722581907Mon hun is the game that made me realize 95% of posters here are chronic bullshitters>yeah dude (monster) is easy I killed him in (speedrunner time + 30 seconds)
>>722603145You cared enough to reply ;)
It's unironically just autism. Autism means you can't really imagine perspectives outside of your own, so if someone can't do what you can do with the ease you can do it, that's not actually possible and they're just whining.
>>722580554You see this in matchmade games all the time>getting to diamond is easy>top 1% of the playerbase>easyIt's so weird, like people are completely incapable of understanding other people's skill levels, or what an average skill level might be.
>>722581907This isn't a leftist shithole, faggot. This is a conservative website. Unlike leftists, conservatives are hard working adults. Maybe when you grow up or get a job you'll learn a thing or 2
>>722603207Touhou is always regarded as babys first shmup, what are you talking about
>>722603927>This is a conservative websiteAh yes the porn websiteDefinitely very conservative and traditional
>>722603269Anons on here act like Nargacuga is easy as fuck when in GU he’s put between a bunch of dromes and shit at like LR2. One of the fastest monsters in the game just there.
>>722603927you share a website with /lgbt/
>>722604172There are harder shmups for sure but for general video game standards it's on the harder side
>>722603927just us tradcaths over in the discord fapping /trash/ threads
>>722603927>Unlike leftists, conservatives are hard working adultsyou might even say you're better men
>>722603927kek even the actual nazis on this site are complete degenerates
>>722580554It's stupid but the people calling games too hard and wanting all games to cater to them are even dumber. See Silksong difficulty "discourse".People need to learn to suck it up and just play something else, not everything is for everybody. Worldwide entitlement is at an all time high and it's not just video games, but it's also reflected in it.
>>722604819at least we aren't cutting babies dicks and raping them
>>722605131no that's what the people you vote for are doing
>>722605131Yet you support people who do
>>722603687can't stand faggots saying GE in CSGO is nothing, like yeah compared to top pros no shit but, still impressive compared to the average player
>>722580554lobotomy corp is an easy game
>>722580554Dark souls isn't hard though, you can summon other people or npcs to help you fight, which trivializes the gameIts only hard if you play solo, don't use magic, and don't look up OP builds. At that point the game isn't hard.
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>>722580554Fags with no irl accomplishments unironically tie all their self esteem into whether they beat Elden Ring without a shield. This is why all the HURR GITGUD YDBTG IT'S EASY BRO JUST PRACTICE FOR 100 HOURS gaming culture is for single player only games, because these same people are terrified of losing and can't hang in games where their opponents are humans
>>722580972What's the name of this girl?
>>722580554>its easy bro once you get it, it'll just click!>how long did it take you>idk like 11 hours or somethingyeah nah go fuck yourself
>>722609736It takes ~200-300 hrs to get competitive in a single player games speedrun. 1k+ hours in games like CSGO and you're most likely still a scrub. Single player gamers have no right to flaunt anything kek.
>>722580554Dude, I beat Sekiro hitless and thought it was too easy. I don't really give a shit that you don't want to hear it.Over the last few decades, we have transitioned from the video game industry where fighting games, RTS, shmups & rhythm games were conceived to a place where people legitimately think that Sekiro is the most difficult game ever made. That's embarrassing. Anybody with even an intermediate level of skill in any of the genres I just mentioned will not find lame shit like Sekiro difficult.So long as we have 3 billion smoothbrain losers trying to ruin video games by crying about literally anything that requires basic problem solving skills, I have a vested interest in steering the narrative away from that obnoxious bullshit. So until we return to a game industry where highly intelligent people can regularly find new video games of an adequate challenge, I will continue to talk shit about your double-digit IQ baby games. Blow me.>>722610430>Putting 11 hours worth of effort to a skill is too muchThis is exactly the type of shit I'm talking about. The average gamer is such a lazy, worthless sack of shit. 11 hours is fucking nothing. Think about the amount of time the average normie puts into sports, and your stupid ass is complaining about less than a week of practice. This is not the type of person who should have any say in the difficulty of video games. Imagine forcing all literature to a 3rd grade level because the average dumbfuck can't be bothered to develop their reading comprehension. Video games deserve better.
