>paid early access
no

>>722586917
its not playable unless you have a $5k PC

>>722587035
>he didn't get it for free after spending hundreds on poe1
Lmao

>>722586917
I would but I'm heterosexual

Played at release, did maps for a bit and now I am just waiting till its free so my friend will actually play it.

>>722586917
Got bored
Besides the Abyss the patch didnt really add much and it was way too easy to get really good gear

>>722586917
Jonathan if you add ayysync to 3.27 I will never say a bad thing about you ever again I promise

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>ARPG
>Endgame is currency farming for market trade and autistic spreadsheeting crafted gear instead of playing the game by killing mobs and dropping loot
The D3 Action House and its consequences have been a disaster for the genre.

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>no new classes and weapons with every big release
I'm not going to torture myself with the campaign every time without them adding something significant.

I chanced a headhunter on my first ever chance orb in PoE2 (also in SSF) lmao. thanks jonathan.

>>722586917
I did, I played act 4 and the interludes which were cool. Will not ever touch the dogshit endgame unless they make it for normal people and not poe1 faggots.

>>722586917
Finish it first

>>722588585
>Endgame is currency farming for market trade
>what are runes
>what is battlenet
KEK kys zoomer faggot

>>722587035
FPBP.

>>722586917
>No skelemancer class two games running
No.

>>722589240
PoE2's end-game is completely different from PoE1, that's why people hate it. what the fuck are you even talking about. PoE1's end-game is amazing.

>>722590314
>PoE1's end-game is amazing.
PoE1 endgame is just div/h simulator

i hate trade cucks so much its unreal

Still too expensive.

>>722590849
>never even gotten close to beating ubers

>>722591179
I had 4 voidstones though

>>722586917
Add bigger tits

>>722590849
>>722590314
its literally the same you mazed doomnigger zoomer

>>722590849
only if your spergy ass makes it about that

>>722586917
>2
I've been having a blast with 1 to be desu with you. Cant believe I never tried it, I just thought POE2 must be the better, newer and shiner version, but it ain't.
I just got Vaals Absolution and I've got the big nigger zapping everything in sight. It's dope.
I just found out support gems can support multiple skills on the same link, fuck yeah
The passives I'm getting actually feel impactful unlike with 2, maybe it's because I need to get defenses rather than just roll around during fights.
Dunno, maybe POE2 will get on 1's level eventually but for now iI got a few thousand hours of catchup to do. I don't even think it beats 1 yet on music and atmosphere, and that's one of the biggest selling points no?
Sorry for blog-post, lurker here but been a while since I've enjoyed a new game (new to me that is)

>>722588585
dont blame d3. other games had trade markets long before. and trade was big in d2 too.

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>>722592041
There's still a lot lot lot for you to enjoy in 1 while 2 is being worked on.
New league for 1 end of Oct [most likely] too.

>>722586917
Didn't even make it to maps, i really don't enjoy it at all (i have 6k hours in poe1 though)

>>722589923
Skeleton mages was one of the best builds for quite a while.

>play post-Tencent GGG
Nope. Game and company is fried and hasn't recovered.

>>722588585
>ARPG
>Endgame is ARPG stuff
Really grinding my gears with that game here.

>>722586917
Why does /v/ hate this game? Elon loves it, and the dev is white. So please love this game.

>>722592637
they are good now in 1, and were good last patch in 2

>>722592281
Having an outside-of-game unofficial trade market and front-and-center in-game developer pushed markets are two completely different beasts, and you're disingenuous if you think they affect the game the same way.
POE is developed and balanced around its market trade, old games weren't.

>>722592708
Don't remember sitting in my hideout in Diablo 1 or 2 refreshing a trade site all day and trying to snipe market items from some chink or pajeet scammer.

nah i'm having too much fun in diablo 4

>>722592594
I don't know anything about leagues in POE1, having just got me 1 character in standard. Are they impactful enough that it would be worth starting a new char right away regardless? Or would you recommend putting some more time into my standard one and messing about with stuff and learning the ropes?
Always concerned about missing the jump-off(on?) point for seasonal stuff as I do like to move between games a lot, including and outside the ARPG genre. It's why I'm a fan of Grim Dawn and a soft spot for Last Epoch

>>722586917
>poe1 but designed from the ground up for the guide following retards that plague that game
no thanks

>>722592848
they added the same trade ingame in 2 now. coming to 1 later. its not as good as the website yet tho

>>722586917
why do they refuse to make ssf actually fun where everything can be reasonably grinded?

>>722593035
Keep playing standard and make a new char with league launches. Everything you learn now will only make you better and faster

>>722592708
i hate that arpg has become a term only applicable to a hyper specific subgenre when it should be used to describe all sorts of games such as dark souls, elder scrolls, yakuza, or pretty much anything that is an non-turn based rpg.

>>722593128
Because they don't make money out of SSF, it's just there to make the minority happy. They intentionally make SSF as miserable as possible so you're pushed into the trade leagues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOp3jcsEBHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h4FsMcihYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcFLnJru55M

I don't know who POE2's target audience is. I would think it's an Alkaizerx jaded "git gud" min-maxer, but even he does everything he can to increase the game speed back to POE1. Screen clearing in as few button presses as possible is the inevitable optimized gameplay experience of an ARPG, and all the devs can do to get away from that is to intentionally hamstring the player. They want an outcome that isn't possible. They should make another sort of game entirely.

>>722593005
>he didnt sit on the d2jsp site all day and trying to snipe market items from some chink or pajeet scammer.
ngmi

>>722593241
eh playing a campaign again after just a few weeks has burned me out with another game before, might have to stick this one out and theorycraft around for a bit and then go do something else before jumping back to POE the season after next. I'll keep an open mind though, all the classes are tempting as fuck which isn't usual for me so maybe I'll get an idea for a new dude that I'll wanna try

>>722586917
Nah, I don't play chink F2P garbage.

>>722593398
buy a ad

>>722593406
>They want an outcome that isn't possible
The campaign in 0.1 and 0.2 were very much the slow, deliberate combat they have wanted to make the entire time. But then came the endgame in 0.3 and they just unshackled the player power back to PoE1 levels to stop the gigantic amounts of whining except the mobs and bosses still play by the old design philosophy so now its a mess of bipolar game design because everybody cried and shit their pants that a new game played like a new game and not like a reskin of the previous one.

>>722593406
alkaizer is extremely fucking retarded so he actually is precisely poe2's target audience

>>722586917
Did 100 hours in my first league, not playing anymore until they change the abomination they call "endgame".

Haven't played in a week, what have they done to tablets??

>>722593784
Go play Last Epoch if PoE style endgame doesn't appeal to you.

>>722593628
lolwut everyone in 0.1 and 0.2 were just using herald of ice and lighting respectively to clear entire screens in one click. nothing changed in 0.3 except now you can sprint and die to the family guy falling down stairs joke

I'll play in 2027 when it will be finished and most of the glaring bugs will be gone

>>722593313
I mean, the wikipedia article for Dark Souls calls it an ARPG.

>>722593406
I think they want top down dark souls like that No Rest For The Wicked game. It ends up janky because the fun of ARPGs is player power but to have dark souls like gameplay you need limited scaling.

>>722593896
yeah because it literally is one but autistic people on game discussion websites will start screeching at you if you call anything other than a diablo clone an arpg.

>>722586917
Bring back Chris and give him full dictatorial control of all projects.

>>722594054
Basically everything is an arpg desu, Minecraft is an arpg, Terraria is an arpg, Neverwinter Nights is an arpg

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>>722594316
y-y-you're an ARPG

>>722587449
>it was way too easy to get really good gear
huh?

>>722594249
Far too late for that. Chris realised selling out to Tencent was a mistake and has gone off to start another company for his next project. GGG and PoE are fucked and have been for almost a decade.

>>722594054
Diablo is a hack and slash in addition to being an arpg

>>722594439
they added deterministic crafting in 0.3
will remove it later so everyone will be mad as fucks for a couple years

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>>722593870
>2027
>finished
>bugs will be gone

>>722586917
Why would I when Grim Dawn and Last Epoch exist? PoE2 does absolutely nothing better than either of those games.

>>722595991
PoE 3 will fix it
payed EA in 2029
for sure, goy

>>722596756
and it will still play just like POE1

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>>722586917
poe has the cutest players

>>722586917
NO TEMPLAR
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>>722597827
pretty fly for a white guy

>>722593438
For real. There's serious money to be made on that site. I farmed thousands of fg selling people items in Season 0 of Diablo 4

>>722597965
uno
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cuatro
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seis

>>722586917
Is it actually free yet, or is it still a 3 year long "free to play" scam?

>>722586917
Spend five years unfucking poe 1 back to when I liked it and I may consider it niGGGer.

>>722598215
its still like 30$€

>>722586917
POE and POE2 represent everything bad about the genre. Just total gindfest slot machines.

>>722588585
>>ARPG

I don't thing POE2 plays like:

Dark Souls, Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts, Darksiders 2, Kingdoms of Amalur, Skyrim, Witcher, Nier Automata, Tales of.

Does it?

>>722598225
Actually this. I miss old to 'middle' PoE. The current shit the past ~5 years is bloated trash.

>>722594536
>Diablo is a hack and slash

Does it play like :
Devil May Cry, Og God of War, Bayonetta, Metal Gear Rising, Ninja Gaiden, PoP Warrior Within, Castlevania LoS

Does it?

>>722597827
Fuck off with that tranny you disgusting SEA monkey.

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>play my reddit riddled barely functional game
shut the fuck up johnny, release shadow and i'll consider playing

The game runs like total shit on consoles, barely runs on people's PCs, and it's been this way since release.
It's fucking horrific, but there's so many streamers sucking the GGG tit, nobody will say anything. The game literally barely runs.

>>722599552
>all that detail for a dog's ass and anus
GGG...

>>722598530
>if an rpg has action it must be an arpg
You listed a mix of different genres, W(estern)RPGs are the ones where it's 3d and third person and when you press a button your character swings a sword or shoots an arrow or casts a spell you have to aim at your enemy. Not really sure how darksiders, KH, Nier and Tales play. ARPGs are simply diablo clones. Don't take the fucking names so literally.

>>722599776
No it's good, I hate when my mounts or animal companions have no butthole because how can I trust them if they have no way to poop?

>>722600386
I listed action games that have stats and equipment, progression. Which makes them ARPGS.

You have some sort of framework, where Diablo clones are ARPGS. Yet your framework excludes the games I listed from ARPG label.

You either call them for what they are, Diablo-like games. Or if you want to call them ARPGs, then you list a set of requirements that exclude Dark Souls, Skyrim etc.

>>722601262
>I listed action games that have stats and equipment, progression. Which makes them ARPGS.
No it doesn't, because that's what WRPGs are. ARPGS are literally Diablo Clones and just Diablo CLones. Like I fucking said, genre names are not meant to be taking literally. Every single rpg on a computer is not a crpg.

Bring towers back.

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>>722601853
>No it doesn't, because that's what WRPGs are.
Wow wow wow.
Is this a WRPG?

>>722602582
I've never played it, but probably not as the rpg subgenres aren't nearly as broad as your retarded ass seems to think they are. The point of these things is to group like games together, not to group together games that have one or two faint similarities because it is frankly retarded to have someone tell you they like Dragon Quest IV and you recommend Ray Gigant to them because they're both RPGs from Japan.

>>722598530
lets see you do ubers

>>722602824
Things can be grouped by definitions. Things can also be seperated by definitions. It's called Venn diagram.
Whatever definition has been chosen once an element displays that definition you can group using said definition.

"A game that has stats, progression and gear and you can chooses different builds"

That's what an RPG is.
Can be turn based, can be first / 3rd person, can be melee action. Those are different characteristics. That you can group by.

You can also group by country of origin. One game falls under multiple different definitions. Hence we need a venn diagram.

So Dragon Quest and Ray Gigant would be both from Japan, but they differ in their gameplay.

>>722593364
but they only make money from cosmetics?

>>722586917
Add all of the weapon types and gems and maybe I'll consider it, but for one moment before that.

>>722603796
>So Dragon Quest and Ray Gigant would be both from Japan, but they differ in their gameplay.
Which kinda makes a broad definition of JRPG meaningless and should be a clue that the literal reading of the phrase was never intended to be what the genre was. At the time that people needed to talk about different types of RPGs, the Japs were making early Final Fantasies and Dragon Warrior/Quest type games so JRPG was coined to refer to that 4 niggas in a row style of rpgs Japs were making at the time, not every JRPG they would ever make.

>>722586917
Once the game gets inevitably scrapped and the assets and campaign get merged into PoE1 like was originally promised.

>>722586917
Imagine re-making all the mistakes you already made in PoE1 that you solved once.
God GGG can be retarded at times. It's funny watching them slowly implement all the fixes 1 by 1 that I suggested back during week 1 of the beta launch.

>>722593406
>I don't know who POE2's target audience is
don't worry, it's clear that devs don't know either.

>>722603879
nice meme

>>722592041
I played poe1 since the open beta (OB) and in my experience poe2 feels exactly like poe1 OB back in the day

wont be seriously touching until it reaches 1.0. Poe1 is so stuffed full of content there is always another build or weird interaction to fuck around with

>>722593912
no, it ends up janky because it was executed bad. no other problem at all
just like how NRFTW feels ass to play compared to elden ring or whatever

>>722594442
kek. funny how being fucked translates to ever growing company and market share. the kiwis are fine. poe1 is already the apex ARPG. with poe2 they are free to experiment as they always have the winning forumla to fall back on. The beta key sales alone already recouped the entire development cost up until release of open beta

>>722587035
You're poor! (lmao)

>>722610035
Sadly some people do think like that. As if money = everything. It's like artists or other video games, they get money and then are strangled and can't try anything else because so much is riding on it, so they stay safe.
>free to experiment
And they seldom do, and with good prediction, will continue to squander such opportunity. The game will eventually "release" with 1.0 and it'll be hardly any different. The game is already much like Poop1 and will increasingly get towards that sorry bloated power-crept mess with time. Some "experimentation".

I remember awhile back roblox devs were calling their playerbase stupid basically and I have to assume that attitude carries over here as well.

>>722610035
>with poe2 they are free to experiment as they always have the winning forumla to fall back on
only reason its out is because tencent forced them to release it because of covid

>>722589719
Nobody did this, only a tiny tiny small percentage of people playing the game. Like 0.1% or less

>>722586917
I did for 80 hours. Imagine having to do the entire SLOG campaign over and over again every fucking season holy fuck

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>>722610459
But the campaign is the only good part about PoE games, endgame and maps is the worst part.
There's a reason these games loses 90%+ of their players in a few weeks after releasing an update.

>>722610035
>with poe2 they are free to experiment
ah yes, making things worse then reverting it to how it was in poe1 anyway
truly experimental

I am. HCSSF btw. Grenade totems warrior

>>722610917
didn't ask

>>722588585
diablo 2 already has that mantle. imagine calling a whole genre ACTION rpg and it's actually just pressing a single button while you nuke the screen.

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>he's a toddlercore player
explain yourself

>>722611342
>game runs like shit
>servers constantly shit themselves
>lose 60 hours
I'm good

>>722611501
Sounds like a skill issue, never had any problems as a HCSSF player

>>722610374
>makes shit up
>gets called out
>makes shit up again
you just had to be there, zoomer
https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/basics/trading.shtml

>>722612913
Yes I was there, everyone played through the campaign on the difficulties and at LAN you played with friends doing the same or made a new character if you did it before.
Barely anyone ever bothered with the trading shit, it was a tiny ass minority.

PoE2 is great but they released it way too early. It should've launched with huntress + druid + the next class, all of their ascendancies + weapons, and more time spent cooking a real endgame.

I fear that the community in general, which is majorly split between new people and poe1 players, is going to push the game in directions it wouldn't have needed to go if they just baked the game's systems longer and built up a better foundation.

That said playing SSF this league is the most fun I've had in either PoE in years

>>722586917
I will when it is free
what kind of inbred cretin pays to play early access for a game that will be free at launch

>>722613075
>blizzard intended for their flagship games with battlenet to be played on LAN/solo
KEK you sound more retarded as you go

>>722611681
You're an alt-F4 macro player.

>>722613585
You get $30 "worth" of Good Goy points.

>>722611262
Ah that's ok, wasn't talking to you. Thanks for reading and enjoy the thread you clicked on lul

>>722587035
>paid
Skill issue

Tencent shill thread

>>722616041
>>722611262

>>722616440
Didn't ask

>>722616440
A shame the company and game turned to shit slowly but surely since being bought out.