When did it become common to portray Clerics as pussies (Wizards) anyway?
>>722598426What's stopping a Wizard from just wearing armor or lifting weights to get big?
>>722598864same thing that prevents you from learning how to draw
>>722598426>hexen with doom 64's fire skyhey that's illegal.
Devs are too lazy/cheap to balance a RPG since the know 95% will pick STR warrior. Mage only ever works because some spell is fucking broken and one shots everything. This has been the case since the beginning of video games
>>722598864it ruins their concentration.
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>>722598864Originally the thinking behind it was that to become a competent wizard you had to study for your entire life, so by the time you can fling fireballs well enough to save your own hide in a dungeon you're already pushing 60 and aren't really physically fit anymore. But now it's just convention nobody really thinks about.
>>722598426Jeez, even the MC of Heretic or the wizard in Hexen is more manly than the "we need to be better men" grandpa.
>>722599486The few things that are reasonable in terms of fantasy tropes:>Metal is bad for flow of magic on you as its seen as a weapon. (Solomonic Magic type of shit.)>Makes it more difficult to move about unchallenged for hand wavy motions which can sometimes be part of spell casting.>Less weight and muscle means you will move faster without tiring out as quick.Basically.
*kills you*
>>722598864Iron interferes with his girly fey magics. He also needs to recharge his mana by deepthroating cocks, which is why he wears a dress.
>>722600410Dude, everyone know wizards go commando, hence the robes, like Scottish wearing k. Better flow of mana that way.
>>722600998I'm sure there was a lot of "flow of mana" happening when I saw that wizard leave with 3 warriors huh?
>>722598864arcane spell failure. hard to chant wearing a helmet, and hard to do proper somatic components with an iron glove on.
Hecatomb out soon right?
>>722598426Probably WoW, right? They made Priests instead of Clerics and had them wear cloth because they wanted the healers to all wear different armor classes. So now healers wear a dress.
>>722598864It's mostly because of lore explanations like armor making it harder to cast spells because it interferes with magic, but battle mages that wear something more protective than a bathrobe and can smack people with maces or swords exist.
>>722602190Must have been, no Rogue would call a classic Cleric a heal slut when that Cleric could bend them over their knee.
>>722602190Blizzard has massive hard-ons for Paladins, it only makes sense to have Priests instead of Clerics.
>>722601878Play Serpent Resurrection wad if you haven't yet.
>>722602190FF1's white mage predates that by a pretty long time.
>>722602645yeah this is the answer. japan always had cloth wearing priests, armored clerics was more of a D&D thing.
>>722599693what do you mean, Corvus is a gigachad
>>722598426there are literaly 0 (zero) pussies in Hexen.
>>722602880Just dicks and cloacas.
>>722603026>serpent rider has entered the chat
>>722603080https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Hub_3:_Cloaca
>>722599037being older than 12 year old?
>>722603242>i could have been a master had i only learned younghey fuckface, the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the second best time is right fucking now
>>722598864It is forbidden because the amount of hot witch pussy you'd pound after getting jacked would spawn a race of magical superhumans who would take over the world.
>>722603359sure you can plant a tree now but you can't learn drawing anymore because your brains are old crumpling
>>722603595So you're admitting you're dumber than an 80 year old women
>>722603595no, that's just you rationalizing not making any effort to feel better about yourselfyou are a supermassive fucking faggot
>>722603746I don't know what 80 year old women have to do with it but if you didn't learn to draw by 14, it's literally owari da.
>>722598426Is Ziggurat considered a Hexen clone?
>>722603215Get outta my swamp!
>>722602785Japanese hadn't invented men yet, so it makes sense their clerics would be onaholes.
>>722604145No, it's not even remotely similar to Hexen.
>>722598864Getting big, sure, but why bother wearing bulky armor or even chainmail and shit if you can just nuke your enemies from a distance anyway? Only dumb wizards end up close enough to get bitchslapped.
>>722602875I don't make the rules, he loses a few points by being an elf, but only a few.
>>722604318>not even remotelyWhat does that phrase mean to you?
>>722604603Have you played either game? They're completely different. Just because both games feature magic doesn't mean they're anything alike. Hexen is Doom mixed with Metroid, Ziggurat is Painkiller.
>>722605405>Ziggurat is rogue-lite Painkiller
>>722605405Never played painkiller. It looks like a modern 3D doom clone
>>722605723>modern 3D doom cloneRight, Painkiller, ie small scale Serious Sam.
>>722598864Game balance. In real life cultures it was often the warriors who were most obsessed with cultivating skill with magic. In Aztec society for example magic was considered the prerogative of the warrior aristocracy.
>>722605856>Serious SamNever played that either. It looks retarded>not even remotelyBut, what does that phrase mean to you?
>>722606301I already explained it to you. This is your last (You).
>>722606525You explained what your overall statements meant to you, which I didn't ask and don't care.I only want to know what you think "not even remotely" means, because it doesn't mean what you think it means and I can help you understand that phrase.
>>722603595George W Bush became a pretty good artist and he didn't even start until after he left politics. He would have been in his mid 60s when he picked up a paintbrush for the first time.
>>722598426The pauldrons on the left one look really retarded even for fantasy standards.
>>722598426What is that awful stat spread, why would you pick anything but the middle one
>>722607386Warrior has more speed.
>>722607257>He would have been in his mid 60s when he picked up a paintbrush for the first time.Old fart humble bragging, in reality he was good painter when he was young.
>>722607386Armor and Speed are the only two that actually do anything, therefore, by that logic, Fighter is the best choice.
>>722598426The shift in perception was largely caused by MMO healsluts.
>>722607612Well then whats the point of magic of strength, so now its just useless stats?
>>722607386The stat bars are meaningless in relation to actual in-game mechanics except for speed.The classes have completely different weapons, get different effects out of some of the same consumable items, and get more/less protection from different armor items.
>>722598426Why did wizards (gay nerds) take the shine away from warlocks (chads) in the minds of Western fantasy enjoyers?
>>722607946>being a demon's bitch instead of learning magic yourselfThe real chads are sorcerers.
>>722607736The stat spread is a holdover from early in development when they were planning deeper RPG mechanics. The kept the spread because it looks flavorful but only speed matters. The real distinction between the classes is the weapons.
>>722607736There is no real point, those stats exist for flavor because Hexen was built with the idea of DnD in mind. The stats themselves don't do anything in reality, they just happen to represent that the Fighter is slight faster and has a little bit more AC than the Cleric, and the Cleric more than the Mage. Their damage, physical or magical, is not dictated by attributes but the power of the individual weapons, just like Doom.
>>722608551>>722608638>we'll never get another fps with Hexen's atmosphere or masterfully hand-drawn sprites ever again
>>722598864this is why they can never properly balance wizards. Being able to cast spells would take decades of scholarly work. Meanwhile to become a barbarian you could just take creatine and protein and work out for a year.these role playing games never properly portray the difference between becoming a scholar and becoming a meathead. Getting a doctorate will take atleast 10 years of your life and hard dedication. Meanwhile you can become ooga booga tough guy after about a year of lifting weights and eating meat 3 times a week.
>>722598864Welcome to 5e
>>722608638Why are they using a tarp as a bridge?
>>722609647I can think of one
>>722598426>Hexen cleric>A pussy
>>722607562Humble bragging is how artists live in general. Fuck 'em.
>>722610645OP is very clearly using the Hexen cleric as an example of the clerics used to be compared to what they became.
>>722611573My bad for getting confused then
>>722598426wizards are nerds
>>7226097185e is gay as shit. Dump 1 lvl into cleric? Now you have a plate wearing mage with no drawbacks.
*zap*
>>722612080>[dog whimpering intensifies]
>>722598864Game balance.
>>722611642OP here, I'm glad it got cleared up in my absence.
>>722607736To show that the Wizard is a pussy with shit stats in everything, the warrior a chadtard with max physical stats, and the cleric is gigachad, good at everything.
>>722608025But the most Chad Sorcerer (Elric of Melnibone) became a Warlock (Pact of the Blade) after getting Stormbringer.
>>722608638Modern games feel like your trapped in reality, old school fps feel like the devs could manipulate reality/your perception at will (especially with the non-euclidean geometry that some doom clones had)Basically, how is it that game design became MORE limited with new tech?
>>722608112>slight fasterFight zips around like sonic on crack how is that "slightly"?
>>722614828>that one secret level in Duke Nukem 3D that's in a circular room that's 450 degrees, and you have to go around the circle one and a half times to reach the start point
>>722614893It's all relative. Cleric runs as fast as Doomguy. With that as the metric, Fighter is slightly faster and Mage slightly slower.
>>722614960>date] [Auto] 2Exact example I was thinking of, games feel so limited now.
>>722614828The closer you adhere to reality the more constrained you become by it.Imagination is key. The more you think "this should be here" instead of "this feels right here" the more your art, games or otherwise, is probably going to suck.
>>722617345I just want a fun FPS with stuff like the secret Duke Level and Prey 1 with the gunplay of the Citadel and graphics that are at least passible. Honestly they don't even need to be good.
Am I the only Hexen enjoyer that doesn't care much for the Cleric? Yeah his ghost staff is definitely probably the best weapon in the game but the other two characters are cooler to me and contrast with each other perfectly. Cleric feels like a middle ground with an overpowered final weapon and a very trash first weapon.
>>722619605Mage has the worst weapons overall. The cleric's staff is way better than frost shards and the fire spell is only slightly worse than the lightning. The new Steam version however fixes frost shards by buffing its damage and allowing the shards to pass through frozen monsters, so if you play that version I would say the mage and cleric are roughly equal.
>>722598864>dare to spend months of your time exercising, wearing armor, swinging blades, etc>a single other wizard sees you>the news spreads around, anon the wizard is a huge muscular homofaggot>no longer invited to the monthly wizardry consortium>other mages avoid you in public>the few warlocks depraved enough to retain contact with you decidedly and finally abandon you when they notice the warriors starting to hang with you>the secret mage wares at general stores are all "completely out of stock" whenever you check in, even comically moments after other wizards stroll out with their arms full of globes and potionsGood luck with that champ. By the time you're good enough at magic to not need wizardly comaraderie, you've gotten a long white beard and a frail body that is no longer able to become swole. But don't worry, I'm sure some newage hippie sorcerer will take you in as a grunt if you really beg and cry.
>>722619605His fletchette+repulsion trick instakills any normal enemy, his serpent staff can leech ridiculous amounts of HP off ettins with no risk. To top it off, fletchette gas is one of the few things that can bypass Heresiarch's shield. If you don't mind spending an Icon of the Defender you can essentially skip a Heresiarch encounter in no time by hugging him and spamming fletchettes.Cleric isn't middle ground, he's so far ahead of the other two it's not funny. I enjoy Mage more because Arc of Death is the sexiest weapon
>>722619605The new remaster improved his shitty mace by giving him a shield he can parry with. Otherwise he's way behind the gauntlet or wand.
>>722609647>Getting a doctorate will take atleast 10 yearsThat's because you fell for the school scam. Get a good teacher and only learn the shit you need for 8 hours a day and you will be done in a couple years
>>722598426Why does the fighter have the highest armor stat when he is half-naked and the cleric is clearly covered in more armor?
>>722624462It's his WWF belt.
>>722598864The extra weight makes precision casting harder. There’s a reason spellswords only use basic bitch magic.
>>722625030Dude looks ricardo gay
