>REMAKES ARE POINTLE-AAAACK!!
Left respects your time way more.
one gives the sense of a sprawling continent, the other looks like someone's backyard
>takes a decade to make
does right have the main theme?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uq5AbZXnaQ
>>722605757In what sense? You can only save in the overworld or designated save locations.
>>722605660the left actually allows you to explore a whole fucking world. Not just some field.
>>722605923Left is a glorified level selector. There's nothing to explore.
>>722605757>implying ff ever respected your timeLaughs in edible Ruby
>that will be $210 (+tax +tip) please
>>722605986>There's nothing to explore.So you're just going to ignore the secrets there are to find?
>>722605757>respects your time>random battles
>>722605660Without the FF7 Remakes we could have already have gotten FF17, FF18, with FF19 already being in production. And it would have been the superior timeline.
>>722606121There are no secrets other than Yuffie in a few random forests. FFX's airplane coordinates have more secrets to find than this one. Rebirth has lots of things to do, though.
>>722605660camera was so dogshit it in remake i quit because of it (and retarded story, and retarded unskippable dialogues\bells-whistles that lock your controls)Genuinely surprised how they made such a shit game
>>722605660remake are poinless
>>722605660If you genuinely thing FF7R is the better game, you are retarded and have no sense for actual quality.
>>722605660Why not just make a new game that's as good as FF7 was back in 1997
\why are the old crappy skyboxes so soulful?
>>722605660None of this justifies the terrible story changes
>>722606358You got btfo Rocksolid
>>722605757>walk 2 steps>have to watch 2 minute animations of random battle shit
>>722605757 *laughs in knights of the round*
>>722605660right looks fucking retarded because it's supposed to be real sized but every town is literally 5 minutes of walking in a straight line away, while in the original we know cloud isn't the size of midgar while standing right next to it but just a representation
>>722605660It genuinely shows a lack of confidence in their own legacy, to not do an overworld like E33 did. Or like Fantasian did. Or other games with actual overworlds.
>>722606382Because there is no anti soul gas blocking them
>>722605757>random encounters
>>722605660even if I'm not a huge fan of the open world padding of FF7R I do respect that it is at least trying to be different from the original. I'll take totally new takes of a game over just the same game but with more GRAFIX
>>722605902The original is a 100hr game at the absolute max and the "remake" is 3 different 50-100hr games with a worse, meta, weird "hehe but you thought!" twist-filled kingdom hearts mess.
>>722606298okay but remove mouths form both.
>>722605885https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgM0i9I6Sd0
>>722605986Please kill yourself
>>722606654>open world padding of FF7RYou can just completely skip it all if you want to though, so I wouldn't call it padding. There's definitely padding in the main story segments though, like most of the boat ride to Costa del Sol.
>>722605660>>722605757left also looks better
>>722605757Video games are inherently a waste of time so why should I care if they "respect my time?"
Yes. Especially in the case of FFVII, which was developed for two reasons, neither of which had anything to do with the integrity of the game itself, those being>The collective ego of the creative leadsand>The ongoing failure of the IP, I.E. fucking money
>>722606884It's not a waste if you're having fun
>>722605660For PS2 games onwards yes. That is a PS1 game doe
>>722606881I don't think that works very well for FF7 Rebirth in particular because 90% of the materia in the game is locked behind the tedious, useless side content. It's in this weird place where not doing any of it makes the gameplay worse, but the content itself is dogshit and there only to pad length.
>>722606884Respecting your time in the sense you are having fun and not bored
>>722607248I liked most of it except for the stupid life spring QTEs. The hunts and sim battles were fun.
>>722606685I spent over 100hrs trying to level KotR and Mime up. No Final Fantasy game past 3 respects your time if time is actually a limited quantity that you have.
>>722607248>locked behind the tedious, useless side contentFinal Fantasy enjoys torturing us with that for decades now. Don't know what they're thinking.
Os has the whole game been remade? Haven't they still only put out 2/3 parts?
>>722605660>posts an image that proves absolutely nothing except "MUH GRAFIX"
>>722607393I didn't mind it until I got to gongaga. The sheer amount and lack of quality of the side content burned me out on the game towards the end. It's all truly terrible, and the veil of "oh this is charming" wears off after the 50th lifespring, the 50th cactus fight, the 50th mushroom jump you make, etc. It is genuinely one of the most padded games I've ever played, and it bleeds into the main plot too.
>>7226075842/3rds, and it's not even a remake, but a pre-sequel
>>722605885For the grasslands area yeah, even has fuller compositions/tracks the more quests you do in a region. Remake and Rebirth has been doing those seamless transitions into battle arrangements also and I like that sort of fanservice with vidyamusic..don't matter the game. Hearing it for the first time was dope ngl:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8UrzBpU9yothen when the battle starts it does a smooth transition to the tracks below:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OC6pvJFDo0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PbYBZHnuog
We didn't even get a real ff7 remake. Its a bullshit retcon
>>722605660Does the remake allow you to openly explore the entire world map like the original? If no then it's objectively inferior.
>>722608520>retconBoth Part 1 and 2 hit you hammer every few hours to remind you how the original events still happen elsewhere.
How's the gameplay? I got to chapter 9 in Remake and it sucked donkey balls.Be kinda weird if Rebirth's is suddenly a lot better, but figured I'd get some input anyway.What are the odds they release a "Definitive Version" of the project in 2030? Like, it's not three separate games. They all use Part Three's gameplay (presumably). The story and gameplay are seamless, I.E. one file, so to speak. No Guest Cameo Characters. Synergies in Remake, that kinda stuff.The more I think about it the more this feels like money laundering, or at best easy money to keep a failing company that has zero talent afloat.
>>722608750It's basically the same shit with a couple of bells attached that mostly just there to force you into interactions with that gay twink self insert vr guy.
>>722606298>trannylennials be like yo this texture pack is fire now all it needs is QoL mods like skip battles and infinite HP
>>722606881>I wouldn't call it padding. There's definitely paddingretard alert
>>722608693>how the original events still happen elsewherewhy isn't that in the game, nuigga
>>722608750Rebirth does play a bit better but if you didn't like Remake you aren't going to like Rebirth. it's the same systems just slightly iterated on
>>722605660looks great until you find out how the right plays
i hate hearing them talk, reading text boxes was pure sovl
>>722607742not to mention chadley never shuts the fuck up
hot take: remake is actually ok. rebirth is just horrible. not only is the open world horrifically bad, but the main quest is handled significantly worse than in remake.
>>722605792>one gives the sense of a sprawling continentthis. exactly what I see when I step out into the open world. everything.
>>722609331Is it balanced at all any better? I didn't dislike Remake's battle system, it essentially just seemed like a flashier version of Tales combat, but it had the same issue the OG (and really all Final Fantasy titles) had, in that it never really felt like I was doing anything.You could just do whatever and it always felt the same and you always win no matter what because enemies aren't designed to beat you and if they did you wouldn't see the next cutscene, which is all the game seems to really be about anyway.I heard there was a Hard Mode for NG+ in Remake but that kinda defeats the purpose in my opinion, especially when the first watch- I mean "playthrough" is babby mode.I mean what the hell's even the point of materia or that generic crystarium when you could just roll everything randomly, play the exact same way, and win? You waste more time trying to micromanage what little progression there is than you save in battles by picking more... appropriately?All I wanted was video games, instead I got the James Cameron's Avatar of vidya, and it ain't even as pretty as that movie 90% of the time, I.E. when you're exploring linear causeways. Damn does this game have some really ugly ingame assets, rendering, shading, etc...Thanks for reading my blog.
What does the Lifestream even do?
>>722605757fpbp
>>722605660remakes aren't downgr-OH NO I WAS BEING CONTRARY AND HAVE BEEN FOUND OUT
Left respects your wallet way more.
>>722605660I'd rather play left for the snappy pacing and not trying to waste my time outside of the Big Materia section, than yet another fucking hour long dungeon of the remake trilogy that is just waltzing around on pseudo-platforming and braindead puzzles with no deeper thought.I don't totally hate the remakes, but I feel like they got lost in the sauce of modern game design and it really drags everything out in the worst ways possible with tedious bullshit and arbitrary design.
>>722610636governs the cycle of reincarnation. when you die, you return the lifestream, as that is the origin of your soul. the opposite is true, when you are born your soul is taken from the lifestream and bestowed onto whatever vessel you are born to.
>>722606973pogeyman heart gold soul silver are better than the originals. Except for Kris/Lyra and animated sprites, but those are miniscule in the grand scheme.
>>722605660I feel like the charm of old games is fading and I was obsessed with them throughout the 00s-10s. Worth playing, but I already have.
>>722611164Gameplay wise sure, but man do I hate the renditions of the soundtrack.
>>722611246The GBA music key item should be given from the very start. The romhack I play whenever I do replay hgss gives it to you at the start. The remix music is...fine. It's okay. But the OG music is goated.
>>722605660Left is better and Im not jokingMore efficient
>>722605757They hate him because he spoke the truth.
>>722605660Its not a remake they changed the story and the gameplayIts a completely different game, which is why it flopped
>>722610856I was done after the scorpion boss. Like how god damn long is it going to take to kill this thing? This was like a 7 minute fight in the original
>>722605757Fippy bippydemake troons can ack themselves
>>722605660Looks like FFXV
>>722606884Good games exist to hone your intellect, teach you problem solving skills, deduction, teamwork and improve both spacial awareness and reaction times.
>>722611070What about entities that don't have a soul? What does the soul even do for you?
>>722611990Not even seven, more like maybe three at most if Cloud spams Thunder and one of them get off a Limit Break. The only caveat is waiting for the tail. People harp about random encounters and classic RPG battles, but it was FF8 and 9 that had overly bullshit long animations and made every single encounter into a slog; 7 was really quick about things and bosses die surprisingly quickly if you know what you're doing. Then the remake has to turn EVERY boss into a multi-phase spectacle that drags out their battle with the stagger gauge.
>>722611990Boss fights in Remake feel more like cutscenes. I mean damn, there's like 20 minutes leading up to each fight, then a phase or two wherein the characters get together to witness the phase change then discuss it, then as you're trying to fight there's this limbo phase where the characters look at the camera in real-time to tell you exactly how to defeat it, then during the fight they won't shut the fuck up and constantly talk like the script was penned by Randy Pitchford, then you finish button mashing and there's an extended sequence of the boss dying and your party discussing the implications of the boss and then the scooby doo antagonist who was controlling the boss appears to monologue about some shit that has no purpose in the story and eventually, after roughly an hour or so spent on one fight, you finally get control so you can... wander through linear corridors while the characters talk to each other so you can get back to the hub and watch another two hours of cutscenes while they discuss the implications and plan what to do next.Jesus Fuck. You spend the entire game waiting for it to start and it never does.Then you find out SUPPOSEDLY it actualy starts in the next game. That'll be $80 + tip + next-gen console if you wanted to play on release.
>>722613143Oh and if this sounds like some shit ripped straight out of a CRPG or Baldur's Gate III, just remember that in those games the point is to ROLE-PLAY AND THE SCRIPTS ARE WRITTEN FOR THAT AND (YOU) ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION AND STORYLINE, as opposed to Final Fantasy, which is a visual novel that hides behind the moniker of RPG and fake/pointless statistics that have zero influence on the game.
>>722612287>What about entities that don't have a soul? What does the soul even do for you?I dunno
>>722614331welp
>>722612581Even 8 and 9 didnt spread shit out so much. Also shit should have been 2 releases at most watch them make it 4
>>722612287>entities that don't have a soulsuch as?
>>722615210probably genova considering an alien and any machine entity, like chadley from the remakes. unless every planet has a lifestream, I don't quite remember if Jenova's whole deal is that she sucks the lifestream outta planets or just eats them wholesale
Rebirth is pretty funny
>>722605660This game was not a fucking remake, it takes place AFTER the first game; it's a SEQUEL. And who gives a shit if it has good graphics? It ruined the original game's story and has a RETARDED plot.
>play ff7 rebirth and finish >hate it>try expedition 33 and get bored of it 2 hours in>Go back to playing ff7 rebirth because gameplay is just too fun
>>722605660>actionslop combat>muh open world garbage collector simulatorpass
>>722615460In the original FF7 Jenova doesn't normally eat lifestreams at all. It was Sephiroth who introduced that idea to her. In the time of the Cetra she was just wandering around infecting people and killing them.
>>722615494>it takes place AFTER the first game; it's a SEQUEL.As of Rebirth, it doesn't. The visions of the original game are from the Holy materia which is comprised of memories gathered from the Lifestream's future. The original FF7 also allowed people to look into the future from the lifestream.
>>722615469>julian, it's a hungry world
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>>722615945Damn that is fucking rough. Did the rest of the game remove that sort of rough, dirty aspect to the world?
>>722617239In some places. The slums for example are all brightly lit with sunlight and everyone is happy and cooperative.
>>722615947She got fat because she was sick of you pedos lusting after her
Remakes are good actually.
>>722617239The grit got cleaned away hard. While the slums beneath the plate of Midgar still have plenty of dishevelment and looks more Brazil favela than the clean stuff above, the remake effectively scrubbed out the worst excesses in favor of just kinda looking realistic. And much of your time in the first game's slums areas are in daylight now, throwing out the lines from the original about how the plate blocked out the sun, so everything especially gets washed out pretty hard. It says a lot that the most standout area beneath the plate is Wall Market because they tossed neon signs and a pleasure district vibe over it.
>>722617632>throwing out the lines from the original about how the plate blocked out the sunNo they're still in there which is why it's even more baffling. They also make a big thing about the sunlamps that are supposed to light the slums during the day, but then the lamps are only on at night.
>>722605660Left is actually finished game
>>722617840Note: By "game" this poster is actually referring to cutscenes.
>>722617632So much detail in service of nothing. It's like an upper middle class person's view of poverty, when they have no true conception of actual grime.
The game misses the point of all the locations and why they were the way that they were. Even the music in the new game is wrong.
>>722618553they could have just opened some random google maps street in brazil or the philippines for reference but no
>>722605660Exploration was my favorite part of Rebirth.I think I spent 15+ hours just running around the first area
>>722618825>the world is empty>you pick grass
>>722605660empty space is still empty space
>>722618553The annoying part is some areas can look good, but it really isn't what the original was going for at all, and no matter where you go, it's filled with weirdly low-res assets or the outsourced ass generic NPCs that all look jarringly out of place next to actual plot characters and the fantastical enemies. They genuinely should've figured smarter ways to have daytime lighting in specific sections and stuck to the night, because that daytime ruins the game like it regularly does Rebirth's lighting, and makes the shittiness of areas like Sector 7 stand out all the more.
>>722618882>world is emptyYou mean in OG?Rebirth's world is beautiful to explore. I didn't even fast travel in the first area
>>722618974Case in point.
>>722618696Well yes but that would be racist/classist. Remember that poor people are all good and virtuous and kind to each other. Tough situations mean people have to all work together just to survive, and that's what all of them always do.Meanwhile, in reality, governments and corporations create desperate situations, and people turn on each other to survive because they don't have the means - both in terms of resources and education - to target the real problems. It's so pathetic how writers of all forms of media are unwilling to show that truth nowadays, for fear or people reading it as "poor people are scum" rather than "poor people are forced to be scum".
>>722619029no i mean in rebirth and every single other openslop game
>>722619075>shit indeedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwJ-u7Hxrg
>>722617239When did the compilation not?
>>722619075
>>722605660Im so fucking tired of this discussion man none of you have the intellectual capacity to make a single good argumentjust shut the fuck up all of you stupid nigger ass bitches
The left brings me more joy, easy to run and has more content the right looks like a fkn Unity assetflip, runs like shit, adds jewslop and gay shit into gameyeah im sticking with the left, like any respecting white man would
>>722605986This. It's commander keen 4 but added annoying random battles
>>722615945>AI can unironically fix this
>>722619904The fix for right is left
>>722619904>AI can fix this>it looks shit
>>722619904>it actually doesn't workmaybe the new models is what makes everything clash. those lego models had a unique charm and blend well into their environments
>>722619757Keen 4 obliterates whatever fag fantasy 7 is
>>722605757Maybe if you look up a guide. Otherwise enjoy missing half the content.
>>722619904Would probably look better if the signs actually made sense instead of being glowing symbols on the steel
>>722619904
>>722619904fucking kek right looks laughableleft was definitely just a product of its time
>>722605660to be fair out of all the remakes over the last years only ff7 reached these highs of a remake maybe you can argue resident evil 4 remake but eh not really.
>>722605660I want to make my own remake of an old game, but I don't want to get hit with legal action, so instead I have to make some shit up myself, but then I probably won't like it anymore, so I haven't and won't.
>>722620470Funny thing is, the slowing shit in the original is your elevator level and active stuff, but it's bugged on the PC release and overlays the floors. It's one of those subtle details you don't really notice. But because they used the fucked up PC version for a screenshot I guess the AI interpreted this as random magic arcane symbols.
>>722607248play the game you retard like 15 materias are locked behind anything else you can literally buy or find
The original has a story that's told well and has parables to the real world, humanizing it eternallythe remakes are cumbait for empty headed retards.
You wouldn't get it.
>>722620608>slowing shitglowingfuck my brain
>>722607248>the game is locked behind the tedious, useless side contentbattling monsters is anything but tedious or uselesswhat would be good in your opinion? just give them for free? """through organic exploration""" aka tedious elden ring exploration?
>>722620801Its about how the world is presented. A curated lens that thoughtfully presents the world and shapes how we feel about it.
No ammount of pretty graphics can make up for the fact that they thought it was a good idea to add ubisoft-like open world and MMO tier fetchquests.
>>722620923You can not achieve this ambiance with a free camera.
>>722620849Zoomoids and dad gamers are united in deciding that gameplay is a problem and games need to "respect your time" by minimizing it and just letting you watch cutscenes and hold forward in slow forced walk and talk segments without interruption. They want to 'experience' games and be a part of a current thing without actually engaging with it.
>>722620801Pre-rendered backgrounds and fixed perspective cameras were the peak of gaming soul.
>>722620998
>>722621080Pure. Unbridled. Soul.
>>722605660I like bothWith OG VII, I like using Ninostyle Chibi and 30fps cutscenes/battleNeed to try out New Threat next time
>>722605757>jrpg>respects your time
>>722620923>>722620998This and it's why remake was always going to be a very different product with how game design has changed but too many faggots didn't want to hear it at the time.
>>722620998I think cosmo canyon was the area that disappointed me the most compared to OG. Didn't like the hippies in rebirth or how the area was structured. The Aerith speech felt out of nowhere too. Would prefer if they kept the campfire and 1 on 1 conversations
>>722605660I don't know what that pic has to do with remakes.
>>722605660it already looked like that in my mind
>>722615945>>722620801>>722620923>>722620998>>722621080>>722621158Anyone else remember being young and thinking, wow, this is what we have now, imagine what we'll get? Imagine how fantastic, interactive, expressive and interesting the worlds will be? The level of artistry and effort passionate people put into bringing them to life?Fast forward to today, and we're fed realistic slop again and again. Worlds that seek to replicate films without their direction or lighting, books without their writing and worldbuilding, often lacking even the gameplay that made the most basic and simple games fun.They are so obviously made by people with a complete disdain for the medium, who wish they had the talent and drive to be filmmakers, authors or artists, but instead are stuck in gaming. And instead of trying to push the medium forward, they just try to make a square peg fit in a round hole again and again and again.I am so fucking tired.
>>722622025brave
>>722622025No, not reallyI just thought it was cool
>>722622025>this looks worse than proper graphics>glad I'll have a wife and children by the time games are utter shit back and frontalas..
>>722621158Got distracted playing the FFT remake (which is what FF7 deserved. Not this fucking sequereboot travesty) Have some more peak.
>>722623242>>722622025I remember as a kid having some vague fantastical idea about being able to have full control over something with as much fidelity as one of my saturday morning cartoons, and thinking it would be so amazing. Even better than the Dragon's Lair arcade game! Now we have it and I wish we didn't. Restraint is really what refines art and makes it worthwhile.
>>722605660Unreal Engine makes everything look like "hire this man" crap. Square's pride in the PSX era was making their own engine which always had cutting edge (for the time) graphics, combined with beautiful lighting and cinematography. You can't achieve the Squaresoft look with an off-the-shelf game engine's presets.
>>722623442That's really the trick with fantasy. Good fantasy makes you pine for it. Makes you want to live it. Experience all of it. You want to glut. You mistakenly believe you want an open world that gives you MORE of the world you've only gotten small glimpses of. But you're wrong. Its those glimpses curated by an artistic hand and your imagination that make it good. The gluttony of FF7R is what ruins it.
>>722606135>Left: full game : 60h>right: 1/3rd of a game: 60hand I hate random battles.
>>722610636life streams
>>722623603Good fantasy gives you just enough that you want more. Bad fantasy fills your trough with slop and sets you forth to consume, consume, consume. Its hollow.
Call me woke but maybe we shouldn't use souls and the planets blood to keep the lights turned on
>>722623709What's funny is that even with random battles, you spend far, far less time fighting in FF7 because the fights are over in seconds compared to the absolute slog that is 7R's dungeons.
>>722623758Every single screen of this game is gorgeous. Even the ugly oppressive prison is thoughtfully framed.
>>722609558yep, a totally different experience and a lot left to the imagination.
