>Wind Waker "My country lay within a vast desert. When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gale pierced our homes. No matter when it came, the wind carried the same thing... Death. But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin. I coveted that wind, I suppose. ">at death "Heh....the wind.....it is blowing.......">TotK "GYAHAHAHAHAHA I'M EVIL BECAUSE....I JUST AM OKAY!?????? NYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DRAGON FORM ACTIVATE!!!!">at death "GAAAARRRRHHHHHHHH!!!!"What the fuck happened to Ganondorf? It took them 20 years to come up with THAT!?
Tezuka gave up his producer role and switched to supervisor, giving Aonuma more leeway to shape Zelda games as he willed.
>>722606026Top is unrealistic and just a holdover from boring villain monologues from theatre.Bottom is a more realistic depiction of evil and hits a lot harder.
>we will never have a cool subversive story where Ganondorf is harsh but a good guy who mentors Link while Zelda is the one who secretly manipulates Link into gathering some relics to become all powerfu-Oh wait, A Link Between Worlds already did that. And it was kino.
You guys really need to stop hoping zelda is gonna have a storyline that makes sense.
>I covered that wind>so I’ll raze cities to the ground, freeze the river heads to solid ice killing fish supplies, and make the lush green fields full of zombies and ghostsWow, truly Machiavellian ganon
>>722606403Zelda had great stories all the way up until Skyward Sword.Then every story after (ALBW being the exception) was complete and utter shit.
>>722606374will we ever see my wife again?
>>722606374LTTP wannabe with a hideous artstyle, nonexistent difficulty and dumb gimmick
>>722606534>LTTP wannabeAnon it was literally the sequel.
>>722606451>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T BE EVIL, GET PUNISHED, AND THEN FEEL REGRET AND CHANGE YOUR WAYSreminder WW Ganondorf was just misunderstood >BUThe specifically told Link and Tetra he would not harm them, he simply wanted the triforce to raise Hyrule so people wouldn't forget their culture >BUT EVERYONE ON THE ISLANDS WOULD DIEoh boo hoo, all 20 people would die? They're assholes anyway
>>722606489TP kinda has a good story except zelda basically dying and castle town being encapsulated in twilight magic doesn’t affect anything or anyone
>>722606521Considering we still haven't seen Marin or Din or Nayru after their games....never...
>>722606624>he’s a good gerudo, dindu nuffn >just give me the macguffin power, I’ll do good with it I promise teehee(having kidnapped children and causing tempests all over the ocean)Retard
>>722606780>Never harmed the children >Put safeguards in the ocean to stop piratesYou're not making a good case against him
>>722606026Wind Waker's depiction of Ganondorf is very post-9/11 because WW is a smarter and better game than TotK.
>>722607168Yup I agree TotK is dlc slop
>>722606026Ganondorf's green skin and red hair represents the Irish, Ganon his original name for his cool pig form was coincidentally Irish but they leaned more into it with his human form on the n64, nintendo were getting very political in the n64 days, bobomb battlefield represented ireland in the troubles also and wet dry world a metaphor for the gulf war, as they subtly introdued the O'Gerud (or gerudo in the westoid localization) a development of LTTPs desert a colonial people based on all the people whites oppressed a little arab, indian, irish etc informed their culture.This further developed in WW they wanted to add more depth to the evil king ruling the oppressed peoples or 'monsters' especially in a post 9/11 world, see the ghibli guys opinion on hollywood and the fantasy genre being eurocentri fascism, you see this with the architypically euro ripoff hylians getting more japanese as the games developed, gorons being culturally a race of japanese sumos. As the races were developed and became nuanced and more culturally sensitive then and ONLY then did ganon and monster return to being 2dimensional evildoers, even so gerudo at large remain sympatethic depictions of bipoc inhabitants of the global south.
>>722606706Din and Nayru made a reappearance in the Minish Cap.
>>722607816yeah you shrink behind them, climb into their ass and grow to normal size to explode them what an exciting boss battle it was! (Thanos and ant man reference :3)
Minish Crap SUUUUUCCKKSSSS
OOT, MM and WW are the only semi serious Zelda games.
>>722608081>This post is extremely low quality.
>>722607816Oh really? Maybe there is hope for Hilda then
>>722608382>OOT, MM and WW are the only semi serious Zelda games.Milleniall ahh unc glazing slop BOTW/TOTK vastly surpassed
>>722606489>>722606247This and Koizumi being designated to Mario games killed Zelda's lore and story potential. Now every game's plot is a rehash of OoT's or ALTTP story with excessive focus on LinkxZelda for teenage twitterinas, all while posing a complete disregard for past lore or timeline consistency.
>>722609154BoTW was serious until ToTK came along and ruined whatever narrative, story, lore and serious tone they had going for it.>>722608382You forgot to mention the original Link's Awakening as well.
>>722609154Don't even reply to him
>>722608081 The Minish Cap really peaked when link went full war crime mode via quantum colonoscopy. Honestly, boss design hasn't been that brave since. Nintendo needs to bring back the sheer audacity.
>>722608382What about LttP?
>>722606489I would say WW was the last mainline Zelda game with a good story, even though its existence spawned the ridiculous split timeline bullshit.TP's story was solid UNTIL the latter half of the game, for reasons that >>722606669 already stated. Once you you beat Snowpeak, the entire game's story rapidly falls apart and devolves into a dungeon-run.Meanwhile Skyward Sword retconned a fuckton of pre-established lore for the hell of it, tarnishing Zelda and Ganondorf's relevance as characters as result.
>>722606026There is nothing wrong with portraying Ganondorf as a "evil for evil sake" villain but the timing on BOTH seem misguided.Windwaker, that looks like a saturday morning japanese cartoon for kids, THIS is the game you want to give Dorf a sympathetic backstory?!ToTK, a game that clearly aiming for a more serious and darker tone, with the world looking grim and the characters all adults, THIS is the game you chose to make Dorf a 2dimensional bad guy?!?Call it subversion but i just think its confused direction.
>>722606026>man with funny shaped nose and wrong skin colour covets the magic ̶s̶o̶i̶l̶ wind sasuga
>>722606026people are quick to blame someone but this is inevitable with a series as long running as zelda. you can only come up with a compelling motivation for the same exact bad guy so many times. eventually you either start rehashing ideas or just say fuck it and make him just a bad guy.
>>722606374Just like my male!shiek/link fanfics
>>722610259I think most people can agree that 2-deminsional saturday-morning villain Ganon(dorf) is getting old as the main antagonist.He lacks the charm, humor and wit that K.Rool possesses to justify his flat characterization, yet he's too narcissistic and outright malevolent to earn any kind of redemption arc like Dedede or Bowser did.They need to delve more into his origins on why he became such an evil fuck in the first place. WW, OoT and ToTK only hinted on it, but never fully expanded or fleshed-out his reasons for justifying his need or reasons for being evil. But the point still stands, Ganondorf is now an insanely boring antagonist.
>>722606374i gotta play this game someday but i'm too lazy to dig out my 3ds and remember how to use it
>>722606026WW Ganondorf always felt off as being the same guy as OoT Ganondorf who ruled the world for almost a decade and resulted in a shithole.
>>722607798>bobomb battlefield represented ireland in the troubles also and wet dry world a metaphor for the gulf waridk why but this is fucking sending mehad me up until this point
>>722606403The problem is that Nintendo will NEED to care at some point, now that they're jumping into cross-media with movies, theme parks, inevitable shows and etc. Most people can tolerate the Mario movies & games haven't non-existant plotlines as they write them off as silly fun, but that won't work with Zelda. Nintendo's already faced tremendous backlash with how they hard they mishandled the lore & story in ToTK and AOC, for recent examples.
>>722606534>implying LTTP was hard to begin withretard
>>722606885You said it yourself, plan was to kill all the world's inhabitants? What was "noble" or "misunderstood" about this outright evil plan?
>>722610252I say Skyward Sword was fine up until the final act when Demise enters the picture
>>722611275It's arguably one of the best Zelda games
>>722612284It was cultural appropriation and he was taking it backGerudo Lives Matter
>>722612525I have it on my 3DS but I haven't cared enough to play it.Is it better than the Oracle games?
>>722612006You're really overstating the backlash TOTK got anon.
>>722612750It sold well initially, but public reception soured a month after its release. It was basically another SS situation all over again, minus the sales.
>>722612445I'd say you have shit tasteand probably watch a lot of anime, huh?
>>722606026>recycle the same plot in a donkey kong game of all things>it somehow works better there
>>722606026>"GYAHAHAHAHAHA I'M EVIL BECAUSE....I JUST AM OKAY!??????Yes. https://youtu.be/lq1quxW_CxA?t=66
>>722606534>LTTP was difficultlol lmao even
>>722613558Donkey KING always wins
>>722613558Becaue Bananza actually focused on worldbuilding, level design and characters to a degree that wasn't & isn't commonly seen in most Mario and DK games.The recent Zelda games lack this, if anything they ended up being a downgrade in almost every aspect, sans BoTW's open-world exploration.
>>722609629>and ruined whatever narrative, story, lore and serious tone they had going for itNever got this mindset. Just ignore the existence of any subsequent media that somehow manages to shit on a story you like. It's what any sane fan of West Coast Fallout does with that fucking show, for example.
>>722608081I was thinking more Trucker's Delight
>>722613617Braindead + furshitif LoZ has any hope for redemption, it'll be from an indie spiritual successor.
>>722612678I like the Oracle games but I'm not a huge fan of their puzzles. I think they're both around the same level of quality It's more like a quasi sequel to LTTP with a cool gimmick.
>>722613286No? Not sure where that came from.
>>722611653>that wasn't my real ideal bro just give me one more chance in the holy ream bro I promise I just want to live somewhere that isn't barren and hostileSounds just like the real workd
Wind Waker Ganondorf's arc in a nutshell:>be a severe alcoholic >get arrested after you got white girl wasted and went on a rampage >get sentenced to life in supermax without parole>spend years in prison, without even a drop of rancid toilet wine to drink, DT-ing hard>finally you get your opportunity to escape>dig your way out of prison with a spoon Shawshank style>first thing you do when you're in the clear?>start sprinting to the nearest liquor store to do it all over again, shouting "I HAVEN'T LEARNED A THING" like Mr. Goldenfold from Rick and Morty
>>722613558It literally only worked because you haven't seen K Rool in 20 years.
>>722614308He was in smash....
>>722614308I also haven't seen Ganondorf in a mainline Zelda game in 20 years.
>>722606026These posts are so fake and you know it. Wind Waker Ganon was based, because he bitch slapped little kids. Simple as
>>722614341Who cares.
>>722614530I care
>>722606026This is a different Ganondorf you gay nerd
>>722614440HOLAYOU SEEM TO HAVE CAUGHT MEMID-SUAVEMENTE
>>722614550Well I don't.
>>722612067That's not what he implied. There's a lot of room between nonexistent difficulty and being hard.
>>722612067LttP has some hard sections, like the Ice Palace.
Wind Waker had a pretty good story despite me not liking the gameplay much. I played the second quest just for the translated old Hylian dialogue. Never went passed like 12 hearts in this game though.
>>722606374Ganondorf did not do that in ALBW. All he did there was get Yuga’d.
>>722606374A Link Between Worlds never did that. Ganon's been dead since ALttP and ALBW blatantly shows you that.
>>722615270>>722615806Ok
>>722606026>at death "Heh....the wind.....it is blowing......."Unc is aura farming 'til the end.
>>722613934You bring up the Fallout show but the point still stands - it still delivered a relatively compelling story that managed to stand on its own two feet, even if it retconned core game lore - so fans were tolerable enough to overlook some retcons and contradictions in favor of a quality story that still brought back the core feel, worldbuilding, some major characters, etc. Same thing happened with Arcane season 1 contradicting LoL's core gameplay lore. Fans were also willing to overlook it, that is - until season 2's story completely flopped on all fronts and irreparably shattered the backstories of numerous key characters.The point is, Nintendo can't pull a Mario Bros. movie move with a Zelda movie or a TV show. That is to say, they can't get away with producing a shallow pop-corn experience that gets by solely off of member-berry cameos and wacky easteregg hijinks. Primarily because Zelda naturally skews more to older demographics that encompass the tween, teen & young adult target demographics, not so much general family audiences or younger kids who're significantly easier to please. They will actually kind of have to try.
>>722616307>they can't get away with producing a shallow pop-corn experience that gets by solely off of member-berry cameos and wacky easteregg hijinksno, they can.
>>722616031Ok?Who did you think was Ganondorf?
>>722616307>You bring up the Fallout show but the point still stands - it still delivered a relatively compelling story that managed to stand on its own two feet, even if it retconned core game lore - so fans were tolerable enough to overlook some retcons and contradictions in favor of a quality story that still brought back the core feel, worldbuilding, some major characters, etc.You are massively overselling how much the Fallout show was "tolerated" by fans of 1/2/NV.
>>722616307>so fans were tolerable enough to overlook some retcons and contradictions these are different groups of peoplepeople overlooking the show's contradictions and frankly, rape of the west coast setting were either never fans of 1/2/NV or never gave a shit about any of the stories in the franchise at because they were casual passersbys.
>>722606026>how about you covet THIS wind!>BRAAAAAAAAAAP
>>722616307They're making those movies for children, ages 6-14. As long as it's not live action and the character design looks like something out of Dragon Quest kids will like it.
I feel like at best, the Zelda movie can aspire to be at the same level as relatively average 80s fantasy movie.But I really do not think the modern industry is capable of such a movie in terms of quality, tone and sincerity of its writing.
>>722616715Once again, it depends on the brand and the general age demographics of said brand.If it's a brand with a large, built-in children/family audience, they don't have to try with their cross-media - as evidenced by Pokemon, Minecraft, Sonic, FNAF etc.If the audience skews beyond that target demographic, then yes - they actually have to try.There are underlying reasons why SS and the majority of the Toon Link games flopped, and it wasn't just due to "bad gameplay."There's a reason why they're putting so much focus on Age of Imprisonment being a "canon story" as a crucial selling point in their marketing, too.
>>722617351diddydorf being a braapfag explains why he kidnaps princess zeldo and leafed her untouch alive...
>>722614440Echoes, you clod
>>722617561spinoff tho
>>722606374>>722606026a link between worlds and wind waker are the besr zelda games
Do breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom combined have any memorable characters at all? Not counting goonslop like Purah (or Urbosa if you're a faggot)
>>722617885that one girl who gets pissed off if you step on the flowers and the gay construction guy i guess
>>722611047I don't think anyone has ever cared about Dorf outside of using him in porn to cuck LinkHe's simply a plot device to create the situations that lead to all the other stuff people actually like about the games
>>722606026Wind Waker Ganondorf is by far the best iteration of the character. He's an evil monster, and he knows it. He also knows that he's a puppet to fate. He's an evil monster, but he's in denial that he's incapable of change. He spent a hundred years locked away in the Sacred Realm reflecting on his decisions, trying to convince himself that they were HIS decisions, and not the will of some ancient, faceless beings. That's why he breaks when King Daphnes touches the Triforce before he does. He's doomed to repeat this same cycle for thousands of years, and all he can do is laugh and accept his fate. A plaything of the gods. TOTK Ganondorf could've built on this idea, but they got lazy. I'd rather Ganondorf not return at all if they can't make him interesting again. He's more than just a Bowser, or a K. Rool.
>>722617885pic related, Urbosa, Riju, Revali, Tulin, Yunobo, Daruk, Mipha, Sidon, HudSON, Kohga, Purah, Paya, Robbie, ETC.
>>722617885>>722617885There is a massive gay community around Cass and Sidon. Mipha was an instant classic.For me, the band that escort to great fairies left an impression
>>722618071>TOTK Ganondorf could've built on this idea, but they got lazy.Because TotK retconned this Ganondorf into being an entirely different person. And even this change significantly damaged Calamity Ganon's relevance as a once mortal man-turned into a mindless force of animalistic hatred thanks to thousands of years of futile reincarnation cycles.
>>722618192>There is a massive gay community around Cass and SidonIt will never not be funny that they gave Sidon a fiance in TotK to crush that community. I always liked Sidon as a character.
I just wanted a world I could get lost in like picrelThey decided to pursue the open world slop route yet a 25 year old nintendo 64 game still has a more compelling world and sidequestsit's not fucking fair
>>722618434>And even this change significantly damaged Calamity Ganon's relevance as a once mortal man-turned into a mindless force of animalistic hatred thanks to thousands of years of futile reincarnation cycles.Didn't think of it like that. That version of Ganon never reincarnated one fucking time because he was sealed under Hyrule Castle for 10,000 years. They retconned a retcon.
>>722618606Yeah, hard agree. Its honestly pathetic that Nintendo couldn't usurp its NPCs and worldbuilding some 25 years later.
>>722606026Zelda could've been so much better than what it is. Instead we have open sloppage and musous.
hope you stupid gaijin arent tired of open worudo yet because we reboot metroid 4 deveropment to make it more rike zerda
>>722606026Top is deeper than that. He thinks he is a changed man after his dreams have been crushed twice, but the moment he gets close to the Triforce he drops the wise old man routine instantly.The only potential change in him is instead of killing Zelda during the fight, he sheathes his sword and backhands her. This isn't even that much of a change from OoT where he takes a liking to child Link defying him and just gives him a warning shot.The real problem with ToTK Ganon is there is just nothing to work with. There are no other characters to contrast him with in any meaningful way, and the game lacks any strong overarching themes for him to interact with.
>>722617373I randomly watched a documentary about the special effects in this. Maybe I should watch the actual movie.
>>722618071That's not really true, he is more characterised than other appearances of Ganondorf, but that's not how he's written. He's not self-aware at all, he's the opposite. He's shown as a pitiable man who's clung to the past, obsessing over a long dead kingdom. The idea of Demise's curse or anything like that did not exist back then
>>722618761Before ToTK stepped-in and retconned a fuckton of shit, most people assumed that Calamity Ganon was the same Ganondorf we've been fighting since OoT, just driven completely fucking insane due to thousands of years of immortality and constant defeat from Link & Zelda.And by reincarnation cycles, I wasn't referring to Ganondorf specifically, but to Link & Zelda and the fact that they're the ones who're constantly reappearing/reincarnation to defeat him over and over. I should've specified that in my previous post.
>>722606026Different eras of Zelda mark different ways of writing the characters.Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess all have basically the exact same Ganondorf, and he's basically a completely different character in all three games for example.
>>722606374My WIP Zelda fanfic was one where the new incarnation of Link and a reborn Ganondorf are born at the same time and team up because they're both being hunted down by older factions from the previous great Hyrule war.Nintendo should hire me, I think I could really tap into the fujoshi market.
>>722618434The muh infinity reincarnation bit was always stupid anyways. Ganon only officially reincarnated once, maybe twice in the whole series. The actual reincarnation was a ritual from Twinrova and the maybe reincarnation maybe possession of guy name Ganondorf was from Four Swords Adventure, but nobody cares about that.If we want real muh infinity reincarnations, lets talk about Hyrule. Just how many different sky people created Hyrule at this point? The Oocca, The Wind Tribe, The Skyloftians, The Zonai. Oh look, it's all stuff after Koizumi left.
>>722620043>Just how many different sky people created Hyrule at this point? The Oocca, The Wind Tribe, The Skyloftians, The Zonai.Just waiting for Alien Hyrule next
What annoys me the most about BotW/TotK is how they justify there being hundreds of samey looking shrine trials littered across the map just for the "hero" to solve and get a shitton of orbs. It's the most video gamey shit they've ever done. Man I miss the themed dungeons so much.
>>722619535>Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess all have basically the exact same Ganondorf, and he's basically a completely different character in all three games for example.I'm not a Twilight Princess defender, but he at least is an organic outgrowth of the same character in WW and TP. WW is the Ganon who keeps having victory stolen from him at the last moment and sees himself as puppet. TP is the Ganon who lost miserably but seemingly the gods come out of nowhere and give him a high five and made him the chosen one.
>>722619535>Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess all have basically the exact same Ganondorf, and he's basically a completely different character in all three games for example.Yes and no. There are implications that the consequences of actions affected his character in drastically different ways, but there's still good reason to see and believe they're the same person. In the adult timeline Ganondorf was sealed in the sacred realm, alone, and given time to process the consequences of his actions after the flooding of Hyrule. In the child timeline, Link snitched on him before his plans could even come into fruition and was sent to realm with a long-forgotten people who're also inevitably suppressed and fucked over by Hyrule. Timeline A Ganondorf came to realize most of it was his fault while timeline B Ganondorf never saw the outcomes or consequences of his actions.
>>722617885Link and Zelda
>>722620457Everyone with a brain knows open world is shit and yet everyone else keeps eating it up, so there's no going back
>>722620457>Sheikah-kun, are you telling me you spent the entire Hyrule GDP, line of credit, rupee reserve, kilowatt hours of blue, and grain production on skill testing puzzles? For the next thirty years? In this economy?
>>722621061Open worlds have the potential to be great, it's just that most developers don't want to put in the effort to do so, it's just easier copy-pasting the same assets on an empty map and calling it a day.
>>722606026>Make dungeons piss easy and intentionally trivial to exploit>Brand game as a direct sequel but hardly tie it to the preceding game or even acknowledge it except in a quest which is a literal kindergarten history lesson>Make all characters completely one-dimensional, zero backstory or motive beyond "this character is good natured" and "this character is bad natured">Entire gimmick is crudely gluing objects together to solve easy puzzles with hundreds of possible solutions>Anyone above room temperature IQ immediately realizes like 3 builds solve every single puzzle the game throws at themGame isn't meant for you, anon.
>>722606624>I'm just gonna kill everyone in the world so that they can be replaced by disgusting pig and goblin people>the good guyTotal retard
>>722606026>"I wanted Hyrule because it wasn't a complete shithole like my homeland">once he actually takes over hyrule he immediately turns it into an even worse shitholeWW 'dorf was a retcon
>>722621798OoT Ganon is a muslim
>>722606374>>722606521
>>722606026For some reason I was too autistic to understand that “coveted that wind” meant he wanted to take over Hyrule instead of literally taking the wind back to his country.
>>722621798It's not a retcon, you (and everyone else who thinks Ganondorf is supposed to be a reasonable figure) just don't get it. Read between the lines of his speech, he's jealous of Hyrule but the idea that he cares about his people is a smokescreen. His true motivations are a lot more petty, he's a spoiled king, he hates the fact that his birthright is a shitty desert compared to the glorious hyrule, which is why it's no surprise that when he does take over hyrule he turns it into a shithole, because it's a motivation born of spite and jealousy, not for care of his people.
>>722616882I simply said ok
>>722622217that makes his monologue go from reflective to petulant, very gay
>>722622251I just wanna know what you meant by the original post because yes that would be interesting but ALBW didn’t do that. At most it does the typical “curse-turned-power” trope which Zelda does quite a bit.
>>722621061No actually there is only a very vocal minority of fringe autists (who still pay for the games) who claim to dislike openworld. It's the industry standard for a reason. You think companies would waste money crafting massive worlds if the average player was satisfied with 8 kakariko sized levels and couple bosses?
>>722622694And now you get it, he is a petulant figure. He's obsessive and stuck in the past, that's the point, that's the theme of the game. These are not the words of a reflective, wise king
>>722618606For me it's the N64 versionSo beautiful
>>722619097The main problem imo is the story direction in TotK Ganondorf only sees Link twice, in the intro and then the final boss. In every other game (except TP) we meet Ganondorf multiple times and can build him up as a proper threatThe stupid tears cutscenes didn't do shit because we already knew he was gonna betray the king and be evil but the game pretended like it was shocking to see him do exactly that with zero nuance or meaning beyond "welp I'm just evil ahyuck!"
>>722622694Anon, he literally shouts "GIVE HYRULE TO ME!!" once he thinks he won and approaches the Triforce.
>>722621061Everyone going "THIS IS THE ZELDA I'VE ALWAYS WAITED FOR!" when BotW and TotK came out had me so disappointed. Really? You waited 30 years for open world slop with shitty story/shrines?
>>722622801I don't mean anything anon. I just acknowledged your post. That's all.
>>722622694I mean, that IS WW Ganondorf, he wanted the past so that's why to bring back hyrule despite it being flooded When he loses he finally realizes Hyrule was never gonna come back even if he won so all he does accept death
>>722606026Why does Zelda sell so much now, but actual conversation feels so dead. I remember when we would get tons of good titles every other year and now we get 6+ waits for empty, boring open worlds. I miss when Zelda was a condensed experience, they had the perfect opportunity to mix linear and open game design and they chose open world slop. A Link Between Worlds was the future of this series and they did nothing with it, other than that shitty Echoes of Wisdom game.
>"leave hyrule in the past and make your own future">calls the new kingdom "new hyrule" bruh
I've pretty much stayed off /v/ since slightly before totk released. I forgot there are people who hate these last two games so much lol
>>722623128>The main problem imo is the story direction in TotKBasically what I was getting at, but more focused on him.You can see there is some weird rough draft of a theme they forgot to finish or delete on what it means to be rule (Rauru and Ganondorf's talk about the Zonai, and then Ganondorf's monologue to link), but it is so underdeveloped it is like the game is trying to trick you there is a theme.I heard that the Japanese script has Ganondorf's goal being about resurrecting the primordial courage of mankind that he thinks is gone, which ties a bit better into the overall game, but could be a total lie internet people were spreading, and even then it doesn't tie into the rest of the story much.
>>722606026Why do people fall for Ganon's gay little sob story in wind waker when we know that he immediately ditches the gerudo the second he gets his hands on the triforce?
>>722624079>nobody falls for it>WHY DO PEOPLE FALL FOR ITlow iq?
>>722624227You're very naive, in this very thread we have people who fell for it
>>722623556People buy slop that's itTotK sold 20 million copies in its first three monthsA year later and it barely even sold a million. It had ZERO legs and everyone has stopped talking about it outside of remembering how disappointing it was.
>>722624310yes trying to cope with being full of shit is more interesting and fun than totk ganonsorry you're brown and stupid
>>722623556>Why does Zelda sell so much nowIt's Zelda anon, it's nintendo most important series besides mario, no matter how bad or NOT zelda a new game is. People will always line up in doves to buy it
>>722624397When did I mention totk at all anon? You said something wrong so I corrected you, it begins and ends with that.
>>722623330Okay…
>>722606026BotW Ganon made sense to me because they had essentially automated the process of killing him so he gave up/went insane after so many reincarnations and near centuries of uninterrupted consciousness. They could have done something with that in TotK but nope, just make him a bad person again.
>>722606367>Bottom is a more realistic depiction of evil and hits a lot harder.I hope you get held up at gunpoint, do everything the mugger says, and still have him shoot you.
>>722624952He's probably an "urban youth"
>>722624734I expected Zelda to come out of the sealing thing as a 100 year old lady and die in Link's arms by the end, that would have been kino. Wouldn't make for a good sequel though.
>>722606026>I coveted that wind. Perchance.
>>722625270You can't just say coveted
>>722625119No, Zelda won't age, nor will she stay a dragon, nor will she remember even being a dragon
>>722625423I meant in BotW after waiting 100 years for link to wake up and rescue her
>>722625486yes I know, I find it gay how in both games they dodge anything tragic happening to zelda
>>722617002Correct. I replayed FO3 not that long ago. I told my coworker about this and that I might give FNV a replay soon as well. His response was that I should watch the Fallout show. That since I like the games, I'll like that. He has never played a Fallout game, but he watched that show.
>>722625541They gotta keep her alive and well so they can milk the franchise with dumb shit like Hyrule Warriors
>>722623235>shitty storyYes. The original LoZ didn't care about the story. It was focused on gameplay. This is also why the Souls games rose to prominence. They filled in the gap left by the LoZ in the 3-d space. The Souls games all have shitty stories, but the gameplay is still in the same vein as the original LoZ.
Sorry we don't actually care about story anymore (you have to buy our shitty dynasty warriors spinoff for that :)))))
Incredible really how many people don't quite understand still that Ganondorf is lying out his fucking ass every time he opens his mouth in Wind Waker
>>722626000but souls games do have story it's just mostly hands-off where casuals can understand the basic premise and lorefags can get into it with side quests and item descriptions. zelda does none of this. what you see in the cutscenes is what you get.
>>722626000>ITS JUST LIKE THE ORIGINAL>...without the dungeons>....or items>....or real puzzles that you can't bullshit through with ultrahand>....actually the original had a solid story that it at least told from beginning to end so even that....>B-BUT IT'S STILL JUST LIKE THE ORIGINAL, L-LOOL THIS CONCEPT ART THAT YOU CAN NOW DO IN TOTK THAT WAS ALSO IN OTHER GAMES PROVES IT
>>722626103Proof he's lying? And no you're ur headcanon doesn't count
>>722626103How? He's upfront for most what little screentime he had
>>722626165but anon you can do the dungeons in any order, just like in the original game where you could go straight to death mountain!!! (you actually cant kill ganon immediately and must play most of the dungeons in order)
>>722626135Anon, don't kid yourself. The Souls games weren't a success because of their story. People just desperately looked for one after they enjoyed playing the game. Dark Souls has a shitty story and that's fine. There are some games in which the story doesn't really matter. Dark Souls is one of them. The Legend of Zelda also started as one of them.
>>722626407>People desperately looked for oneNo they didn't. The story in souls 1 is pretty much directly told to you in the opening cutscene and through various item descriptions. What was contrived?
>>722626165>>....or itemsHoly shit. I've never seen someone actually try to argue that the Souls games don't have items before. You're a special kind of stupid.
What do we think of this guy
>>722626479Bro, stop. An opening cutscene and ITEM DESCRIPTIONS does not make for a good story.
>>722606374Yuga manipulated Hilda, as well, you retard.
>>722626521Jabroni jobber that somehow was given the world title. Then they realized before Wrestlemania that he would flop so that had to call in the old school main-eventer Gannon again.
>>722626521He just wanted to save his people and was corrupted by the ancient evil sealed within his realm, pretty cool guy.
>>722626521I beat TP long ago but I honestly don't remember anything Zant did besides getting GANON'D
>>722606521In a perfect world, The Tale of Hilda would be an offshoot of Zelda and keep the spirit of classic Zelda while Zelda continued to do what it did.
>>722626103Also worth noticing that even though the King of Red Lions wishes to move on from the past, he follows it up with the hope that Ganondorf drowns with Hyrule. He is very aware that Ganondorf's actions were not just things that happened in the past.Ganondorf also acts the same as he did in OoT despite what he says. He sends curses to the gods of the non human tribes who are in his way, and even destroyed the homes of everyone who lived on Greatfish Isle.
>>722626682his people are the lowrylians after being giving a false triforce, the sols in the twilight are all that are left of them
>>722626521All TP had to do was to keep Zelda and especially Ganondorf out of it. It would have worked significantly better as a story that didn't do all the stereotypical Zelda shit. Even the Master Sword's presence is arguably unnecessary to the initial Zant and Midna plot. Nintendo just couldn't commit to it for some stupid fucking reason.
>>722626876>>722626103He's lying to himself more than everyone else. He doesn't have a reason to lie to the other characters in a number of his scenes since he fully intends to settle things with a fight.Oh yeah, he also murdered the sages.
>>722626521Unfortunately he was completely right and midna's unleashed power was the far greater evil, so ganon had to hijack the plot in order to make the bad guys the bad guys.
>>722606026I remember all the theories of Ganondorf being purged of all the malice -er, gloom and you'd have to take on Demise. Dorf wouldn't be an ally, but he wouldn't be an enemy, at least lategame. All of the speculation surrounding TotK were more interesting than the actual story. How the fuck did they drop the ball so hard? By that, I mean why the hell did they outsource the story? What happened for them to do that?
>>722606026>Wind Waker "My country lay within a vast desert. When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gale pierced our homes. No matter when it came, the wind carried the same thing... Death. But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin. I coveted that wind, I suppose. "He doesn't believe that, he is just trying to find a reason why he acted the way he did. Notice the, "i suppose" implying he isn't even sure.
>>722626575>Literal million+ youtube channels dedicated to deciphering souls lore>No such thing for BoTW era gamesGo set yourself up for life with all of the nothingburger storytelling in the botw era to the millions of nintendofags if it's all just made up then
>>722626893Yea and in his dispair zant turned to ganon which likely promised him to undo the curse if e does his bidding, acting as a vessel for his tremendous power and corrupting the world of light.
>>722627106I don't know what you think you read in my post, but you didn't. You don't even seem to realize that the existence of the DS lore channels is proof of the story being shit. If it was good, people wouldn't have to go to lore videos to get it explained to them.You want a good Dark Souls story, play 2. The concept of going hollow, aka turning into a zombie, when you lose your purpose in life, is a lot more interesting and it's all right there in the game itself. No lore videos required.
>>722606624He didn't regret anything. His methods hadn't changed. This monologue isn't supposed to be about him regretting the decisions that brought him to that point. It was him basking in his imminent victory.Everyone fucking misunderstands this scene. He's still a cruel, evil man who cares for nothing and no one but himself. He cursed the seas, kidnapped children and destroyed an inhabited island.
>>722627106>No such thing for BoTW era gamesWere you not around for WHALE THEORY
>>722624734Calamity was a great idea as an end point for Ganon, where he is now more a curse, or evil presence and less an entity. It also gave them the perfect excuse to do new stories that broke the old plot mold, while not completely getting rid of Ganon.
>>722624734I think Totk Ganon is just a completely different character, essentially making him like Link and Zelda(Four Sword Adventures also had a "new" ganon). It could be a fun idea if the gerudo kings usually adopt the name Ganondorf, in reverence for an anchient, powerful king(OoT dorf?) and mayb the Demise just keeps egging them on to be major fuckers to the Hylians.
>>722626930I kinda like the idea of showing the continuation of events where dorf was denied his destiny in the future of OoT and his will power is so great and pissed by that(and being executed), that he just manifests as negative energy and curses an entire civilization.It could have been handled better though.
>>722628046It would have been better handled as its own story instead of the stitched together plot TP had. You could very, very easily split the game in two. TP1 and TP2. Simple sis.
>>722627327>He didn't regret anything.He does just because defeat has made him more introspective than before. That doesn't mean he is changed. That is the point the King makes in the end.>If only I could do things over again...>Not a day in my life has gone by without my thought turning to my kingdom of old.>I have lived bound to Hyrule.>In that sense, I was the same as Ganondorf.But Ganondorf is bound to Hyrule as a thief. He will always be evil for that reason. It's not his to have. The difference is the King understands the ocean isn't his to take away.
>>722626512Read it again champ cause I think you're a bit slow. I'll give you another chance
>>722626645Where did I claim he didnt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edW1Ou0zdzISOVL
>>722627052He believes it because he repeats that philosophy when he dies. And no man will ever die for a lie
>>722628643Maybe you should read what I posted again. I was talking about Dark Souls, you replied to that. I never once mentioned TotK. Are you telling me you just started rambling about TotK to me out of nowhere? Is that what you're trying to tell me right now retard-kun?
>>722628759Sigh guess I have to talk down to an idiot for a secondOkay see, you brought up LoZ as a response to my post regarding TotK. So, get this, I responded to that by comparing the "features" that the original LoZ had that TotK lacked.You however, in your slowness, seemed to think I gave a single shit about you bringing up Dark Souls when I chose to ignore it completely.Now I kinda feel bad for you, you're obviously underage or mentally not all there. You can reply to that old post again and we can pretend like this never happened if you like. My mom always told me to be nice to the slow kids so there you go. Have a nice night too.
Yes...200 replies...The dopamine...aahhhhhh.Continue peasants.
Reminder
>>722629138Interesting...Now post Link's Awakening 2019, and Echoes of Wisdom's sales.Surely they must be near BotW?
I think Wind Waker is the only game improved by the Demise retcon.The idea that Ganondorf is a tired old man who literally can't give up on his dream (despite it having had destroyed him) because he's compelled by an anvient demon's grudge is BIG sad.
>>722629212This list is about 3D zelda.
>>722628969I mentioned shitty story retard-kun. You, being a retard, made lots of retarded assumptions. I've never even played TotK because I don't want stupid Minecraft shit in my Zelda games.You're the one that did a bunch of fake fucking quoting because you're a retard that doesn't actually read what people type and instead just make up shit in your head. Meanwhile, I quoted specifically what I was talking about. This is why you're a retard and everyone can see it.You're also a faggot. Now don't ever speak to me again. I won't reply.
>>722629138this post is very misleading. Twilight princess outsold OoT before the 3ds remake, and over half of Link's awakening sales are from the remake.
>>722629138man imagine if botw didn't get a switch release.
>>722629280These are 3D games huh?Well then TotK must've surpassed BotW's or came close to it yes?Go on ahead and post it!
Wind Waker is the 2nd best Zelda game, period. I remember replaying the fuck out of the Ganondorf fight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDxW1BRa_B0
>>722629138>Skyward Sword's original release was beaten by Phantom Hourglasskek what a disaster
>>722629280>3D zelda.>2D games on the listUmmm...
>>722629363Yikes>Not only could be not actually present a coherent response or take up my offer, he doubled down and used an ad hominem while repeating the same insult over and over, a clear sign of mental illness.Hope you get some help
>>722629212>Now post Link's Awakening 2019Look at the top colour on the Link's Awakening bar, anon. It is there.
>>722629451>>722629363Ah forgive me, I said be instead of *he.I should point that out, I wouldn't want someone with....your little intelligence to believe that is the correct word to use in that statement going forward.
Even if you like the TotK autism giant evil big bad man Ganondorf, I think he's mogged in that department by Nemesis.And Nemesis has even less screentime than Ganondorf
>>722629371If twilight princess is good then why didnt it continue to outsell when its own handheld version came out? Original release was on the fucking wii while OoT was locked to N64. People were hyped for the mature artstyle thay wind waker rug pulled them from and then they played it and realized it was mid.
>>722607798>WhitesJews aren't white.
>TotK loses the "Best game direction" award>Aounuma seethes>Immediately puts out an interview saying BotW style is the series standard going forward and he can't understand why people want the old formula back, must be nostalgia Still cracks me up how butthurt he was
>>722629690>when its own handheld version came out?the fuck are you talking about?
>>722629138Twilight Princess Wii version outsold OoT N64 version tho
>>722629749>game direction is take the BotW world and add cool stuff to it>except clearly like 60% of the game development was for UltrahandHe didn't deserve the win.
>>722629782Wii u gamepad
>>722628268He only regrets his failure. But he does not regret the evil of his actions. He's only sad because his mistakes and weakness drastically lengthened the amount of time needed to achieve his goal.
>>722629825Wii had a much larger install base. This is like people comparing ps5 exclusive releases to what a ps2 game did.
>>722614024Nah it will come from a shitposthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-uAatgqkQY >Do you remember the time when Link, Zelda and Ganondorf ate sea salt ice cream on the top of the windmill?>"Let's drink some Lon Lon Milk" >"We are best friends">"You are right">"Hahahaha"
>>722629985And the switch has a larger install base (esp. of "core" gamers) than the wii did.
>>722630124Not for botw.
>>722617416They also tried to sell the last Hyrule Warrior game as canon and look what happened. Don't get your hopes up.
>abandoned a harem of gerudo women to go try conquer a big grass field>10000 years later the gerudo are the only race with a thriving city
>>722626135Lore =/= story
>>722617416>age of Imprisonment>canonSeriously? You're falling for this AGAIN?!?
>>722630239If you actually paid attention to botws story you would have known there is literally no story for them to even work with for a game. The entire calamity consisted of Zelda and Link wandering from place to place and then the calamity happens and everyone dies. There is a total of one battle that happens.It was obvious from the trailer than AOC wasn't going to be canon because it contradicted every single thing that we knew about the calamity and the fucking demo made that extra obvious. Meanwhile the imprisoning war was kept as vague as possible with a bunch of characters that we learn nothing about.
>>722629985Switch has a larger install base than Wii yet LA, EoW didn't sell as well
Wind Waker Ganondorf was right, the ocean sucks, I'd rather go back to Hyrule.
This seems like a good thread for a reminder.
>>722630698Thats what 2d games do.
>>722630325you can be pedantic as you want but the story for this game was ass, especially if you watch the cutscenes out of order (because it lets you do that for some reason)
>>722630563Maybe you should've paid attention, retard; they outline and highlight how dangerous the world is getting in the lead-up to Ganon waking up which is why Link and Zelda were trying so hard to wake her powers up. You could've very easily spun a game out of that with the final mission being either Zelda storming Hyrule Castle to seal Ganon away or escorting Link's body to the Shrine of Resurrection.Nothing about early AoC previews didn't contradict shit. It wasn't until we saw the little shitty egg bot that it spiralled into the mess it became.
>>722631196?
>>722606026being the epic king of evil is your typical ganondorf portrayal. WW just happened to be the one that played with the idea of him failing before and having time to think about why he is the way he is.
>>722630912skyward sword was never considered a masterpice outside of paid game journalism and twilight princess was never considered a bad game/hated.
Post Medli
>zelda thread>some posts even disparaging botw/totk>ctrl+f eric>0 resultshas the storm passed?
>>722634543he and his counter poster are eternal. Much like Link and Ganon.
>>722606026Thank you for your purchase, valued customer
>>722634543It's because the OP presents the thread as a WW thread
>>722606026>top: I am old and learned to appreciate what I failed to conquer when I was young and evil>bottom: I AM YOUNG AND EVIL
>>722621798>WW 'dorf was a retconWW itself is a retcon.
>>722630278Wrong thread BotWfag. This is the Zelda thread.
>>722635475>YoungTotK Ganondorf is the Ganon of any, he's been living under the castle for thousands and thousands of years
>>722635836Not a retcon, Link just failed in a third unknown timeline that makes no sense and is never and will never be explained
>>722628693The part where you said he was a good guy.
Wind Waker was always the best game in the series. The WiiU remake was damn near perfection to its core. I loved that game, more than OoT. Ganondorf was an interesting character, why cant we get that anymore? Complex villains are hard to come by these days, in any game. Fuck Id argue fiction in general. When is the last time we even got a based villain?
>>722636173>Link just failed in a third unknown timeline that makes no sense and is never and will never be explainedand totally didn't exist until Wind Waker. Nope, not a retcon.
I actually quite liked TotK Ganondorf near the end. It's always fun when the last boss acknowledges you and gets just as pumped up to fight you. Unfortunately that didn't happen until the end of the game, and a lot people probably never got that far.
>>722636120You're right. Ganondorf was 10,000 years old during the age of the great calamity when he tried to take over Hyrule for no reason in particular. King Rauru did a good job of sealing a 10,000 year old Ganondorf that wanted to take over Hyrule for no reason in particular.
>>722636318Nope, it was always in OoTSee?BOOM>ButWAS ALWAYS THERE
>>722606026This faggot ruined Zelda>muh islands in the sky
>>722606780>there's an all powerful wish for literally ANYTHING that could save all of your people and free you all from a doomed timeline, with literally no harm to Hyrule, you can create a land of plenty and peace>what do you mean someone with that goal did a brief kidnapping (no physical harm to the person, great care taken), WTF??????>Uh, hello??? human resources??????Ever heard the phrase "greater good", anon?
>>722636120>is the Ganon of anyDid I have a stroke?I meant to say he's the oldest Ganon of any
>>722636547>An extra year of development they could've used to make actual dungeons or improve the story or make the sky islands have actual shit in them>Spent it on Ultrahand shit
>>722636530GENIUS. HIDEO. AONUMALE.
>>722636285If they really wanted to salvage the Wii U, they could have made another sequel to Wind Waker using WWHD's engine instead of porting TP. Sort of a game after PH but before ST.
>>722617885>or Urbosa if you're a faggotTurbofaggot spotted.
>>722636881>Wind Waker>ever saving a consoleEvery system that shitheap gets put on is doomed to fail.
>>722637516Better hope it doesn't get ported to the Switch 2.
>>722637516Shut up Eric
>>722629707Keep telling yourself that. They lie about everything else but "coincidentally" that's the one matter you agree with them on.
>>722617885guardians
I kinda find the Guardians a little sexy now
>>722629138I know this thing gets reposted a lot but everything wind waker and back has had way more players then this list suggests, shit like blockbuster renting doesn't count as a buy but I'm sure a sizable number of players played those games that way, especially the N64 ones as that was peak game rental era
I'm genuinely shocked the "DUDE WHAT IF WE MADE ZELDA BUT WITH SHIT AND WATER" copypasta guy didn't show upHe should've been here by now
>>722639041First I've ever heard of him.
>>722627720>It could be a fun idea if the gerudo kings usually adopt the name Ganondorf, in reverence for an anchient, powerful king(OoT dorf?) They do actually sort-of play with this idea a little, the implication is that Ganondorf is literally the only Gerudo male ever born and that's the reason the Gerudo have only birthed females in any recent recorded history as of Breath and Tears, he's still alive or "alive" underneath Hyrule Castle as a zombie or floating around over it as Calamity Ganon
>>722639070He's a spammer with a debunked copypasta.
>>722606026ganon is just empty evil in the majority of games. you're kidding yourself if you think that theres more to him at the core of his character design.
>>722606026>>722606374>>we will never have a cool subversive story where Ganondorf is harsh but a good guy who mentors Link while ZeldaThank fuck, that sounds gay as hell
>>722606026I can't believe you fuckers actually fall for the "Ganon is actually good" schtick when we SEE what happens when he becomes all powerful and he does JACK SHIT to help the Gerudo. They're stuck in the fucking desert while he runs Castle Town into a literal hole in the ground. Are you stupid?
>>722640131And the overarching implication in Wind Waker is that he's still fucking obsessed with conquering Hyrule even in an age of the sea directly resulting from his previous attempt
Jove Tetrsa
i don't care about the story anymore i just want to fuck ganondorf in the ass
>>722642686Calm down Zelda
botw ruined zelda's brand
>>722624227OP fell for it, WW Ganondorf loses everything and decides to have a melty and try to kill a couple kids for the hell of it, the only difference between WW Ganon's chimpout and ToTK Ganon becoming a dragon is that the former has been rehearsing a script
>>722642983Aonuma ruined Zelda's brand.
>>722640131it was never about him being good. it was about an old classic villain having a moment of introspection of why he does what he does in the first place. the moment gives a glimpse into his soul that he was motivated by a very human desire to have more than what he was dealt with. that of course in no way redeems him but it's an interesting moment anyway. he's still very much the king of evil, it's why after his little musing he decides to get back to business and uppercuts link's face off to force what he wants out of him. that said a ton of people do look at his speech and say that makes him a dindu but they're obviously just getting lost in the moment and aren't thinking about it. so i understand your frustration anyway.
reminder that Nintendo will outlast everything you love. Zelda will be played 500 years from now, Metal Gear will be forgotten in 20
>>722643287Zelda isn't even Zelda as it is now. I'd hate to see what it will look like 500 years from now.
>>722618606The development of this game is one of a kind. There's no way to reproduce such a thing.
>>722643370theyll make a throwback Zelda in 7 years and you'll still bitch
>>722617373If the movie isnt taking inspiration from Legend, Willow, Neverending Story, etc, then it's gonna be shit.
>>722643549those are all gay movies, NES as i call it is ok but Legend and Willow are trash
>>722643537Well if it's anything like Echoes then I can see it being justified.
>>722609154BOTW barely even had a story or worldbuilding to speak of, literally has the depth and imagination of paw patrol.
>>722626000Honestly, playing Minecraft with the end goal being to find and kill the Enderdragon, gave me more of a modern zelda experience resembling the original, than souls or modern zelda did.
>>722640131>Posting peak Ganon to justify his character having zero depth or any consistent traits beyond "evil i guess idk why he does any of that stuff but it's evil so whatever"
>>722612858It really didn’t except maybe among faggot ecelebs whose opinions are irrelevant
>>722643287Zelda isn't even 50 calm down kek
>>722623556Because you trannies keep screeching about botw
>>722644337big budget movie coming up you nitwit
>>722643287Humanity isn't gonna even make it outta this century bro.
>>722644674>Big budgetBWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>722623556WW and Phantom Hourglass were peak, perfect blend of exploration and linearity
>>722644852Fuck you.
>>722645312Lmao, oh the impotent rage
>>722644852How can you explore when it's linear?
>>722644852Wind Waker is like Aladdin, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks are like the 2 Direct-to-DVD sequels.
>>722606624
>>722645464Direct to VHS, not DVD.
>>722606026WW Ganon is giga overrated by zoomers. It's just a rerun of OoT but with less depth.
>>722645589That also describes WW as a whole.
>>722645589>OoT>depth
>>722606026Okay but WW is meant to be the same OoT Ganondorf that zombified castle town and replaced Hyrule Castle with his floating doom fortress suspended over a volcano so it feels empty upon any real inspection. Did coveting that wind really mean he had to genocide the gorons by feeding them to a dragon he revived?
>>722644852Retarded fucking take.
>>722645589And pray tell what depth does he have in OoT kek
>>722645734Yes.
>>722645589OoT's depth is a wide puddle of secrets and glitches. There's depth, sorry. Only the 2D Zeldas and... I GUESS Botw/Totk had some depth. "I guess".
>>722646082>Botw/Totk>Depth >Empty world>Depth
>>722646082OoT has a ton of depth through glitch tech alone.
MMMHHH 300 replies....The dopamine...it is blowing...
>>722616307>You bring up the Fallout show but the point still stands - it still delivered a relatively compelling story that managed to stand on its own two feet, even if it retconned core game loreYou know I always wondered what fucking retards were actually watching that.
>>722606026>>Wind Waker "My country lay within a vast desert. When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gale pierced our homes. No matter when it came, the wind carried the same thing... Death. But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin. I coveted that wind, I suppose. ">>at death "Heh....the wind.....it is blowing......."... WW is a sequel to OOT, which shows that WWdorf is full of shit.
>>722606026The scene that outed an entire fanbase as retarded pseuds. Even now, the meaning escapes them.And yet somehow WWdorf got carried to his rightful title as Best Ganondorf by people who had no idea what makes him the best, so maybe it all worked out regardless.
>>722647497No, OoT definitely shows him taking over and living in Hyrule permanently
Was Daphnes based or cringe?
>>722606374>we will never have a new top down Zelda that isn't riddled with BotW's trash and menu surfing it fucking hurts
>>722648021Cringe
>>722649447t. tetra
>>722606374blending with walls to turn 2d is such a faggy concept it will forever filter me from playing this zelda title unfort
