>look at japanese VN threads>their favorites are all translated games that would get you called an EOP tourist on 4chanWhy is this? Could it be that untranslated obscure kusoge is not actually good? (Hence why it's untranslated?)
>>722608865Yes? All VNs that JOPs claim are masterpieces like Muramasa are forgotten within a week and never talked about again after they're finally translated.
>>722608865>called an EOP tourist on 4chanmore like "an EOP tourist on /jp/"
>>722608865/vn/ is like Kojima and believes that Japan invented the mystery genre, all while circlejerking outright garbage like Steins;Gate and Higu/Umi and every sameshit story Kodaka and Uchikoshi shit out.
>>722608865The only visual novels I've "played" are Katawa Shoujo Steins Gate and Fate Stay Night, and it was two too many oh, and STARLESS I guess
>>722609091What are non garbage titles?
>>722608865Holy shit, I now remember Kazoku Keikaku. It wasn't ground breaking or anything but I remember I liked it. Went for the loli and then the autist.
>>722608865>Ever17.Lame.>Air.Lame.>Chaos;Child?Understandable.>Meh-Cross.>Saya no Uta.Makes sense, unique kusoge.>Sayonara o OshieteAnother rare denpa genre game.>Subarishiki Hibi.Again more on the horror VN side of things, they really love their horror/mystery VNs?>Muv-Luv AltVery generic as fuck story which got turned into AoT later which was only saved due to its worldbuilding.>Nanairo Reincarnation.Never heard generic looking harem romcom.
>>722609161> Played Starless but not Bible Black.You got dicked in the ass on that choice by a big dicked futa. Missed out on occult Kino.
>>722608984Isn't that just because EOPs have fried dopamine receptors?
>>722609269For having such a garbage taste you have apparently read a lot VNs. You must be really dumb if you keep doing something you hate.
>>722608865Anyone using the term "EOP" for anything is a pathetic little person desperate to make the fact that they learned a language their whole personality. To answer your question, 70%~ of visual novels worth reading get translated either officially or by fans. Translation is either a job or passion project and I've never seen a "hidden gem" left to be JP only. I don't like reading VNs in JP anyway so I would probably wait regardless. Modern visual novels(last 10-15y) have dropped off a cliff in terms of quality because all good writers are bought by gacha companies.
chat how do i get into japanese reading? i finished kaishi 1.5k and read a bunch of simpler furigana texts, but reading normal texts still forces me to use yomitan to look up unknown kanji every 20 seconds.
>Using twitterGo read actual Japanese sites and get back to me. Actual japs are only into 2000s and older VNs. Fate is the cut off point. Stuff like S:G is an exception
>>722609467these days there are no untranslated VNsanything you wish to read, you can read using Lunatranslator embedded translation mode + a free claude 4.5 sonnet proxy to translate at or better than human level
The only untranslated VN I've been interested in has been this one, and I noticed it's been finally translated a few months ago. I guess I should read it
>>722609490just read more, ideally something that isn't too plot heavy so you don't care if you miss something.personally, i went play Idol Master Starlit Season when i feel like practicing reading. mostly because they also speak
>>722608865Yeah, any VN older than 5 years old that's not translated by this point was either extremely mediocre, a commercial flop, or handed over to an incompetent translation team that's still working on it.
>>722608865>Hence why it's untranslatedThe ones ""translated"" arent translated as wellEnjoy your Trump memes btw
>>722609690I read it recently, it's good. I was hooked from the start. Great soundtrack, the art of the sprites and world are good. It's overall pretty realistic and it just gets more and more grim. It's mostly balanced, and reasonable unlike most plotge where it gets too shounen or retarded.>>722608984And things like 'masa are garbage and only mentioned to bait newfags into reading it.
>Sayonara o OshieteIs this shit actually translated, I just see people arguing over if the translation is real or not
i love nanaca crash, i mean cross channel
>>722609490The only solution is to sit down for hours, days and years and jot down the stupid moonrunes over and over, only to forget 90% of them again after a mere 3 month hiatus.Honestly with the current state of auto translators that give you bilingual text you are better off getting a general senese of grammar, vocabulary, and hovering the cursor over the squiggly glyph only to immediately tell to yourself>ahh, of course that shit that resembles the sitting down shit meant miko next to the onna rune, how could I forget
>>722610210Remember the schizorunes started as Chinese method for divination writings. Japan preserved the older reading sounds from old China. Dank.
>>722610000based quadskatawa crash is also the best thing about katawa shoujo
>c;c in top 3i kneel
why does every VN need to have either porn or some kind of extreme mystery plot? it feels like an admission that the genre is boring and you need a carrot to hold over the reader's head
>>722610000Nanaka crash is the best thing to ever come out of>u mere mortals can't understand the 3deep5you many layers and hidden meanings of my prose, it can't simply be translated. Also guy pervert, looks at panties hahathat is Cope Channel
>>722610892You act like literature as a whole isn't dead aside from erotic literature from women. That any VN at all gets read in the age of anime avatar whores tailoring parasocial relationships is a testimony of their unparalleled genius as a genre.
>>722610892What kind of thing are you looking for?
>>722608865My favorites are G-Senjou no Maou and Raging Loop.Growing up I did love Fate but the sequel took so long to get translated that I lost interest.
>>722609161>frogposter>is retarded and has shit tastePottery.
>>722611232>G-Senjou no Maouawful taste
>>722611213nothing, just making a commentdon't other genres have all kinds of stories? but VNs are almost all porn or mystery/twist
>>722609541>Actual japs are only into 2000s and older VNs. Fate is the cut off point. Stuff like S:G is an exceptionBased nipponeese otakumen. Displaying good culture as per usual.
>>722611457The voice acting and plot are amazing. Only one route was kind of lame but it pays off big time with the true ending.
The only good untranslated VNs are Kajiri Kamui Kagura and every other Masada uberkamige.
I remember 10 years ago I tried to play/read Grisaia, and I hated every single minute of it because what was the point? It has no story. It's just SOL scenes.Other than that I have read about 20 story-heavy VNs.
>>722611662yeah the plot is amazing (just ignore the author obviously rewriting the story 3/4 of the way through in harus route because he didn't know how to make their relationship work if kyousuke is maou)
>>722611469Because if it's not porn or mystery/twist your story is probably better off told as a manga. The manga industry in Japan is fucking huge and profitable. Don't make a VN unless it absolutely needs to be a VN, you will make much more money as a mangaka.
>>722611820>GrisaiaFor me it was the autistic mary sue MC.It is escapism, for fucks sake how can anyone mess up that? You can actually make a gary stu MC work if you at least make him somewhat likeable aka give him human emotions at least.
>>722612346i didn't like him either, guy was like a fanfiction main character
>>722611773imagine being an eop chuuni fan and never ever getting masadagefor real theres so much slop out there getting translated why doesn't light let someone translate their games
>>722611662>>722612028It was kind of ruined by the internal inconsistency between routes.
>>722612572Is light even a thing anymore
the best vn of the last decade was the lb6 lol
>>722613556>lb6If it is a plotge spoonfeed me, I haven't read anything in 4 years. I am fucking starving.
>>722612346It wasn't supposed to be serious, just like Rance wasn't supposed to be serious in that way.
>>722614368The difference is that Rance is funny and doesn't make you roll your eyes in annoyance every time you get a line of inner monologue.
>>722613959Seems to be related to Fate/Grand Order in some way. In other words, gachashit.
>>722614847Bummer. Oh well
>>722612346His human emotions are repressed because he was forced to crossdress and molested by a gay shotacon when he was young
I just want to say that Denkeki Striker was a neat and pleasant surprise.
I will never understand the amount of praise Ever17 gets. It's interesting for like 80 minutes out of its 25 hour run time.
>>722615554most people who care about this kind of shit are ancient, gray, balding milennials with one foot in the grave who remember when ever17 was one of like 5 translated VNs ever
>>722615554It's shit but it was also one of the earliest cases of a well known VN getting translated so it gets grandfathered in
If a vn has no gameplay, it can't compete with the rare gameplay vn.
>>722615554No, it is intriguing for 12 hours, okay for 7, very interesting for 80 minutes, and very tedious for 4 hours and 40 minutes. Overall the finale compensates for the bumps on the road.You kids just lack vocabulary to articulate complex thoughts, and hence reduce all to dumb dichotomies like you just did.
>>722615921>Rare.Those are called JRPGs with 100+ hours.
>>722616269You just said what anon said but fluffed it. It's shit.
>>722615871>>722615921>is consistently rated in the top 3 on japanese rankingsJOP bros i guess we spoke too sooni guess everything is boring when you're reading a kanji dictionary more than the game itself, huh?
>>722616210gameplay vns tend to have shitty writing thoughbeit
>>722616353Not only you have terrible taste, reading comprehension is apparently also a difficult subject for you.
>>722616704>Ever 17fag calling others for shit tasteyou wouldn't know a good VN if it kick you in the ass
>>722608984>>722609976Dies Irae and Muramasa are still kamige. EOPs don't get it because they're untranslatable. I saw let's read clips of the *nglish translated version of Dies Irae and it was unreadable trash.
>>722616580not really, the writing is the same
Thankfully this kino is too problematic for twitter retards to actually enjoy.
Why japs dont like ryushiky 47?? idk
>>722608865Yeah? Most japs don't need to keep up appearances like retards from /a/ and /jp/ where they glaze shit like Muramasa and Subahibi endlessly then they get translated, then they have to switch-up and say they're actually overrated kusoge LOL before going back and saying how this random loli eroge from 2015 is actually peak writing. It happens 100% without end
>>722616771Okay zoomer, dazzle me with you top 3. Chances are, unless you are abysmally stupid, I also like them. Because most famous VNs are enjoyable is you aren't either a snob or a retard.
>>722616789That doesn't even make sense. Such "people" love it and push on Muramasa.
>>722616789But it got a translation.
>>722616828ryukishi07 makes autism games for adult virgins who can't read faces and need characters to loudly scream their thoughts & motivations at all times (as the heavily autistic reader cannot figure anything subtle out)basically the japanese toby fox
>>722609541We pretending twitter isn't the core of the average nip artist nowadays? This ain't bsky or misskey if you're a hipster. There's an entire artist/creator ecosystem completely disconnected with the western sphere with Japanese twitter. Not going to find a livedoor of someone sharing the same opinion so you can feel good about yourself
>>722614929you cant say that you like vns and dismiss something written by nasu just like that
>>722617112>characters to loudly scream their thoughts & motivations at all timesThat describes literally all Japanese fiction though? It's not really fair to single him out for that.
>>722617112Toby Fox was the one stealing directly from Japanese media and he got touted as the original especially Touhou and related media. You are getting it ass backwards.
>>722617187>We pretending twitter isn't the core of the average nip artist nowadays?They aren't. Also art=! opinions
>>722617208No, it is not Nasu per se, I liked FSN when I read it back in the stone age. The deal breaker is gacha shit
>>722617112>ryukishi07 makes autism games for adult virgins who can't read faces and need characters to loudly scream their thoughts & motivations at all times (as the heavily autistic reader cannot figure anything subtle out)You just described almost all Japanese media besides a handful of outliers
>>722608865because they have to buy the products. western otaku just pirate everything and have in turn a much bigger taste palette. it has always been this way in anime manga and VNs. the jrpgs and shit less so, because many more people buy all kinds of games for their consoles.
YOU WILL NEVER EVER READ PARADISE LOSTYOU WILL NEVER EVER READ KAJIRI KAMUI KAGURAYOU WILL NEVER EVER READ AVESTA OF BLACK AND WHITE
>>722609985It was almost out in english but then got delayed at the last minute because the team doing it lost a member so now theres no release date again. According to them the actual tl is done and its just in qc/editing so its probably not too far off still
>>722617576it's trivial to read any untranslated VN with Lunatranslator + claude 4.5in fact, claude's translation is near-certainly better than whatever you got out of it
>>722617791then give me a guide on using that shitplease
>>722616828He made one (1, uno) good game, which he apparently had to shill and rewrite like a thousand times before getting lucky enough to get noticed.Then he got all uppity and diva, his ghostwriter with all the good ideas died, and he took a giant shit on his previous positions. He went from:>guys I really admire westerners from tackling the mystery of the portrait because obscure kanji puns, real effort there bro and yadda yadda to>j-just stop focusing on the mystery you shitlords! That is not the important part! You see, you should really feel sorry for this poor mangled tranny, that had insane expectations, did unspeakable crimes, and that I tortured for ridiculous bullshit reasons! Also I will put my self insert witch (the most powerful one!) in the game to lecture you about my opinions, and to tell you that the canon interpretation is: make your own interpretation!I wish I was hyperbolic or joking, but sadly I am not.Pic is just because I saw it in my 4chan folder and wanted to post it.
>>722617791you're tripping if you think you're reading the same VN as JOC (JAPANES ONLY CHADS) if you're reading in *nglish
>>722616828Silent Hill F won btw
>ENYou did not read the VN.
>>722618268I read it.
>>722617940download lunatranslator, attach to game, advance the text once or twice in the game, click checkmark when text entries appear in lunatranslatorvoila it now worksto plug in claude, get a claude sonnet 4.5 proxy (if you know how to find such things) or pay for a claude key, or use a free Gemini 2.5 ai studio key
>>722617576>PARADISE LOSTKino. Picked up. 楽しみにします
You will never jap only KINO
>>722618028don't tell me you're from one of those favela shitholes that got conquered by the english and now you effeminately cry about it online in their languageahahah i would kill myself
>>722617940just learn japanese and read nigga it's not that complicated. there are millions of literally retarded natives that managed to learn japanese
>>722608865what the fuck are you talking about these are all pretty good
>>722618584Trolling seems to be the only way to get a thread started.
>>722618449you're retarded you have no idea what you're talking about swedish monkey
>tfw can't read Voynichese>will never read the most exclusive kamige visual novel
>>722610892tl;dr, most companies that think they have a good idea would rather express it in something other than a historic ultra-budget niche. Those with mysteries do it because japanese adventure games- which were mostly based on crime and horror novel fads- tacitly just became either VNs or sound novels when hardware reasons stopped making them have to look like this. Those with porn do it because non-budget porn projects are rare, and the only reason they evolved to allow interesting concepts that feature porn rather than just strict and direct "porn games" is because that scale of development desires marketing novelty to push sales beyond meagre and lessens the negative impact of risk-taking.
What of these will give me serious PTSD? Give me something tailor made to fuck the player up. Have played MLA already
>>722617576>YOU WILL NEVER EVER READ KAJIRI KAMUI KAGURAI read it and I almost literally died of boredom
>>722618449The ability to convey dicks per minute orally isn't that much of a concern for people that read just for the pleasure and beauty of literature itself.
>>722618824for me it's eyeball plant-chan
>>722618878Got minor PTSD from the constant ear rape out of nowhere in Umineko. That's about it, I think.
>>722618932>it's 13meters
>>722618932europeans inbetween making 1/10th of an american salary & being arrested for tweets: "the imperial system sucks. i'm 5'9, by the way"
>>722619061
>>722618449>information densitydefine nigger. since it talks about syllable rates it's probably about speech and not text where kanji are used. retarded western EOP scientist doesn't understand how languages work let alone understand the beauty of literature.
>>722619134How many armpits is 5'9, exactly? I would also understand that measure if you express it in foreskins per dollar.
>>722619405>retarded western EOP scientistwithout english scientists you would be squatting in a rice paddy right now, unable to communicate your 80 IQ thoughts online over protocols and hardware dreamt up by white british/irish/german/french/italian people mostly conducting their science in english
>>722619495it's almost like every culture independently developed anthropized measurement systems very similar to the imperial system. did you know japan, china and korea all independently created units of measurement within 1% of feet and inches, and used them primarily until industrialization?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaku_(unit)
>>722619541>from 1400-1950another retarded EOP that doesn't know German was universally known as the language of science until the mid 1920s
>>722619859wow you mean an entirely different language dunked on your favela monkey eek-ooks? thats pretty sad man
>>722619701Come on man, I am not even the original anon you were arguing with, I just wanted to post some memepic and then you made me do some follow up memecomment.None of the jap only vs eng only autism has any legs imo. So, yeah I am not reading any wiki article, but if the point is japs also use some convoluted arbitrary mememeasuremt, sure you are right.
>>722619923retarded backpedaling anglo. i curse your island to sink into the sea.
>>722610620At least it's not another Steins;Gate plebian again.
I liked Sharin no Kuni better than G-Senjou. The Touka part was a drag but I liked the bullshit reveal.There, I said it.
>VN opens with battle scenekino>VN opens with slice of licekuso
>>722618268You lost JOPaxewound, my LLM renders your entire years of learning Japanese (and still not passing N4 lol) obsolete.
>>722608865Japan has always has unbelievably shit taste in pretty much every form of media
Subahibi is edgy garbage
only untranslated VN I'm kinda interested in is thhe witch danganronpa tbdesu
>>722616828Umineko is unironically too complicated for them
>>722623472i want you to show this pic to your parents and explain it's really deep literature that other people just aren't smart enough to get (unlike you, noted autism patient)
>>722616789w*men are trying to reclaim saya no uta. nothing is out of reach from these fomo-addicted freaks
