Will they get a happy ending?
>>722619248Almost all of them. Besides Sillent Sinner there are zero mentions of the spellcard system as described in PMISS.> she can become intangible and still attackWe've seen zero examples of that and even when dealing with a Oni that literally wanted to kill her and was winning she didn't use it.Her biggest feat was instant killing fortune teller.
totally not a general btw
How will you react to chapter 5s weird route when Noelle is not brainwashed or mindbroken in anyway. Her fetish for fear boners was so thoroughly peaked with the thorn ring that her infatuation moved completely from Susie to kris
>>722620461Kek, lets not derail the thread too muchBut if you're only taking the manga as canon, the moments of peace or where an incident is dragging... Well... Reimu doesnt do much, ignoring that she is on the level or above of the shrine maiden of the moon and defeated the hyper powered up evil spiritAlso if people died on the scale you make it sound like, the small human town would be empty already, yeah people die but not on that scale>T. Said dess to kris forcing him to learn 2hu lore, poor kris
>>722620330hopefully, maybe
>they
>>722621472Susie to (you)*It eould make noelle more basedI'm expecting a chara geno speechI dont like itBut there is a scren in the prophecy so...
>>722621921Need deer hugs.
>>722622383*shes (plural)
>>722620330If by "they" you mean me and Noelle, then yes
>>722622383don't correct me and I won't correct you
>>722620330>furry pedo ship gametake it to vg
>>722620330Hell no. Either Noelle ends up a dyke or dead
>>722620330Only if we strive to make one for them. Despite being a little heart in a cage, our power over their world is reality changing. Doesn't matter how big or small the birdcage is, every creature's fate in Deltarune is in our hands.
>>722621781>ignoring that she is on the level or above of the shrine maiden of the moon and defeated the hyper powered up evil spiritEven defeating the evil spirit really isn't that impressive considering the main reason they do so well against Youkai is because of weird spiritual reasons. >Also if people died on the scale you make it sound like, the small human town would be empty already,OUTSIDERS are being killed. Not natives.
>>722622878I hope I get to make her kill Kris...
>>722622639I'm so happy monsters aren't real.I feel that once I've had a deer hug it would become a addiction. I couldn't function without them anymore.
>>722621472Good. Mindbreaks are only fun if they don't break easily. Besides, having her get used up just doesn't do it for me unless she begs for me to not kill her.
>>722622383i see two people in this photo
>>722620330Why would you pick Noelle over superior loyal wife? Did she ever do anything for Kris? Other than hanging out with Berdly and letting him get ostracised by kids and later also bullied?
>>722622383he meant Kris and Noelle, not any of that nonbinary bullshit
>>722623893kris and noelle have that tragic childhood friends thing going onkris and susie have the two retards one brain cell energy both are good for different reasons
it really doesnt matter to me if noelle is a mind broken toy or has become evil, i'm gonna see what happens cause I just don't care about cringe good endings.
>>722623893she looks like barney
>>722623893Yeah that's Kris's fault for drifting away when Noelle was at the worst point of her life so far. If they didn't want to get replaced by Burghley they should've kept their friends closer.
I wonder if Toby didn't make any gameplay segments for the Snowgrave because he doesn't know how to make something different, if chapter 5 is "farm enemies, fill tp bar, use snowgrave" it would be very repetitive and unspired and clearly he doesn't want that do it like the genocide route for undertale.
>>722624848gimmie a break anon, it's been over 3 years since I got to snowgrave something new. I wanna kill more darkners and there doesn't need to be extra bells and whistles to do so
>>722624848did you miss the entire nes game with boss segment
>>722625018that has snowgrave references but that isn't for the snowgrave route
Noelle deserves to get cucked.>of course I like Kris! But I’m going to toss our friendship aside for now to be with you, Susie!
>>722624951actually, when are we going to get real deal, cold, hard EXP? No more pussy shit like [Character] became stronger, pump up those fucking numbers
>>722622383It's Kris and Noelle, retard-kun.
>>722622396Vessel-chan is cute.
>>722625583I'm going to be so sad if they stay discarded forever and unusable
>>722621921>>722622639The delusion here is laughable. Out of everyone Toby obviously hates Kriselle fags the most.
>>722624517there's no reason to think that whatever happened to dess didn't equally fuck up kris as it did noelle both had different ways of coping with itall we know about the fallout is that asriel was bawling his eyes out, which was to be expected
What if Kris was originally "our" vessel, but has become too "polluted" to be used at their fullest extent, and the weird route is transitioning away from Kris and into Noelle. Noelle isn't a vessel, but the game constantly mentions how powerful she is, so maybe she'll act as a better subsitute than a "soiled" vessel.
>>722625982I really, really hate Kris is the Vessel theories. I want them to be their own thing.
>>722625982if kris was supposed to be anything, he would've been the girlthe vessel was clearly supposed to house (you) until the second entity stole (you) and gave (you) to kris
>>722626086I doubt it would happen, but what if Kris being non-binary is actually an attempt to diverge from the propehcy and to avoid becoming "The Girl"? It's curious how The Girl figure wields a sword and how Kris is the only one to wield a sword.
>>722626253that's a theory that's been gaining traction since junethe biggest thing against it would be toby not brave enough to do it, but kris does suspiciously slot into the role very well regardless
>>722626253>Kris stands before the Angel and claims himself to be The Girl as loophole abuse>the Angel has to begrudgingly accept it like a middle manager forced to accept men claiming to be trannies that aren't even trying to be women for employment benefits
>>722626583Yeah, it always seemed weird to me how weirdly generic Kris plays. They act like a pretty basic guy with no clear role or unique moves. Like Susie is like the tank, Ralsei is the healer, so Kris should be something like the rogue. Kris might be intentionally hampering themself so they don't fall into the role. >>722626675I also just noticed that the The Girl figure also has the heart. What if the roles in the propheacy are vague enough that anyone can theoretically fall into any one part? Like, knights are usually guys, but most people seem to think it's Dess, who's a girl. Perhaps in the same way, Kris is "cheating" the system by becoming more adroygenous and taking the burden of The Girl unto themself by taking the Soul (himself?), persumably sparing Noelle. That might explain why Carol is seemingly in cahoots with Kris, and why the weird route is so weirdly fixated on Noelle. The weird route is about rejusting to the original parameters of the prophecy.
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>>722620330Oh hell no they will not.>Nothing is bringing Dess back>Carol has already set out to ruin as many lives as possible if it means getting Dess back>Kris has already resigned to whatever fate Carol has in store >Asgore is probably going to use the crystal and become a superboss which means bad end for him >This will not only further sink Kris' family life, but likely destroy any possibility of the family ever being whole again>Noelle remains a doormat who can't do anything unless you figuratively rape her >Kris remains a psycho who always backs out before committing. It's literally impossible for this to end happily.
>>722621472>Her fetish for fear boners was so thoroughly peaked with the thorn ring that her infatuation moved completely from Susie to krisThat definitely won't happen because that would mean torturing Noelle until she became independent was the morally right thing to do.
>>722626253It's something that I think the Japanese fanbase picked up on first. Mostly because they saw the fact The Girl has a soul and realized that there's only one character we've seen with a Soul so far. Meanwhile the EN fanbase was trying to read into hypotheticals like "What if Dess has Kris' soul?" When we don't even know what Dess looks like, much less if she can possess a human's soul or not.
>>722628203It's actually hilarious how Toby treats Noelle ever becoming independent like a bad thing.
>>722628009that’s a cute Kris
>>722628272If I recall correctly, I think Dess is the only one to actually shoes among the Holidays, so that might indicate she's human. Anyway, Toby seems like a pretty progressive guy so I think it would be odd for him to make the plot out so that becoming non-binary is actually just a coping mechanism or an escape (even if it's totally true and it would very based for him to do that).
>>722628272The Japanese fandom in general seems to lean towards female humans, while the western fanbase is mostly non-binary shit. I wonder why, though.
>>722628536Easier to jerk off to.
>>722628597The only femKris I really find attractive is Captain Kirb's. Unlike Frisk and Chara, I can't see him as a girl normally.
>>722627816Give me an idea and maybe I'll make you a doodle
>>722627191I, for one, never bought into it. I've talked about it at length already, but the bottom line is that the plan would be pretty different if Kris was actually eligible to be the Girl.There wouldn't be any reason to keep the nature of the plan a secret to Susie once she found out about the final tragedy, if she wasn't purposefully led to be the Girl instead. In that case, the plan would've involved breaking away from the prophecy in some form rather than fulfilling it, something that Susie would instantly join, and Kris wouldn't have to choose between her and the Knight. But we're left with Kris stuck on that choice at the end of Chapter 4, so the plan definitely is to play it out at Susie's expense.Which leaves a few alternatives to try and make this theory work, but none of them would line up, either. If anything with Susie fell through, I think Kris would've wanted the Vessel as backup for the Cage, but that was discarded. In the off-chance that that was a lie, it's going to require explaining what happened to it and the plan with it later, something that isn't necessary if Kris couldn't be the Girl. It also undermines whatever the hell Sword Route is supposed to foreshadow with the whole "used up" thing, and the player's reasoning for exploring Weird Route in general beyond "would that be fucked up or what", since then Noelle doesn't really have any presence in the prophecy if she isn't the original Girl that Susie's supposed to replace. She could be the Angel, but Susie didn't mention the Angel looking like her, nor would she be this upset if the final tragedy involved the Angel (she'd just focus her anger on that instead of the more introspective depression she exhibited).There's a lot of circumstance that's completely avoided by Kris not being eligible for the Girl, which shifts the attention to developing Noelle to better fit. She's bound to have a lot of screen time next chapter, so I think this makes more sense to follow.
>>722626583but noelle already mirrors kris’ poses>>722627191kris is the leader
>>722629012Yeah, but usually, leaders have buffs that help the team or have something that stands out.
>>722629076kris has ACTsand is literally described as the leader in the menu
I would ship Noelle with Catti over Suselle shit
>>722629194Yeah, but everyone else gets ACTs down the line. It's not unique to them.
>>722629236I like to think they have a perverse obession with their sister and she's trying to cope with it by using Susie as a subsitute.
>>722621472>Noelle told her mom about her new crush and Carol was so happy her daughter got over her "phase" she immediately called Kris.
Forget Noelle for a momentWhat are the odds Ralsei will quote Toriel when you inevitably gets to kill him in the weird route?>Y... you...>really hate me>that much?
>>722620330Snowgrave is the happy ending route.
>>722628449Kris is cute in general even if a little edgelord.
>>722628506> I think Dess is the only one to actually shoes among the Holidays, They're shoes fit for hooves explicitly, so she must have hooves.
>>722628894>There wouldn't be any reason to keep the nature of the plan a secret to Susie once she found out about the final tragedy, if she wasn't purposefully led to be the Girl instead. In that case, the plan would've involved breaking away from the prophecy in some form rather than fulfilling it, something that Susie would instantly join, and Kris wouldn't have to choose between her and the Knight. But we're left with Kris stuck on that choice at the end of Chapter 4, so the plan definitely is to play it out at Susie's expense.I still think this idea works if Kris is the fall-girl and the idea is that The Girl has to be killed by someone else in the prophecy for it to work. Kris already distancing from every one of their friends on the idea that the prophecy will involve getting backstabbed.
>>722628009How is the crystal going to turn Asgore into a superboss? He'll probably rage out, either in the light world or dark world, but I don't see him attacking his own son. At worst he'll fight the Knight and end up hurt. However it is hard to think of how he could possibly redeem himself in his wife's eyes, except for saving her life somehow.
I dont think toby has the balls to not give at least one ending that tries its hardest to give everyone an objectively happy conclusion after getting people invested in these characters over a 10 year development periodHowever I can 100% guarantee that the doefucker route isn't going to end well and you're going to get chastised to hell and back for seeing it through
>>722631117If Toby actually does this he's unfathomable based.
No, regardless of the route the world is going to/already ended and this is just the last fantastical spasm
>>722631534cute edgelords are the most dangerous
>>722628752Draw Susie doing something cool
I kind of want to make some artwork of all of Krissle fans being like a bunch of well dressed socialites at a big fancy ball with Kris and Noelle in the middle looking scared and confused while all the Krissle fans herd around them pushing them tougher and trying to make them kiss and stuff.
>>722631696Someone has to be the Cage, though. In this case, either the Vessel is necessary (so it must be addressed), or Susie wasn't necessary to bring along in the first place if Kris can fulfill both roles at once.I'd like to add that this ending is mutually exclusive with Weird Route's ending of Carol calling and saying that Noelle's excited to go to the festival with Kris. This is a rather important scene to override with something otherwise completely incidental, and I doubt it's a repeat of the dialog for the scene of Carol seeing Kris off being replaced if you leave the nearby Santa toy on.This ending has to matter enough to completely replace the moment where Kris is shown making one of the most important choices in the game between following Susie and likely telling her everything, or keeping things up with the Knight. That's only viable if Noelle's replacing whatever role Susie is playing here, to shift the focus from the drama between Kris, Susie, and the Knight, to Kris and Noelle. I have a very hard time believing there'd be any reason to do this if neither ultimately matter for the Girl, and it's all Kris. This just makes for very clunky storytelling.
>>722632258>Haha you look so gay dude, haha look how gay this ribbon is!>*wears one for the rest of the game*
I hope Kriselle will end in both Kris and Noelle committing suicide together. I need this story to end in pure tragedy.
>>722633069There will be two active people in the rape, both victims, both a show for the crowd.
>>722620330No, childhood friends never win the mc
I can't wait to make Noelle kill Susie.
>>722633386According to who?
why do women like krusellefemoid artists i follow for other stuff draw a lot of kruselle which is a little weirdkrusie bvll here btw
>>722633151>Someone has to be the Cage, though.Not necessarily. The vessel could be the cage, there's no telling if the vessel is actually dead or not, just 'discarded'.
>>722633512kriselle* i dont even know the name of that shit
>>722633512Woman fucking love romance that has a real sense of tragedy to it.
Personally I hope we can stay in Kris forever. I mean why would you want to be anyone else but them?He/she is perfection.
>>722633512>why do women like kruselleThe rape. I'm serious. There was a massive uptick in fans for the parring after that scene I swear, most all female. They love the emotional tragedy and harm within, along with the possibility of Kris being fixed through love or something.
>>722633704I want to be papyrus
>>722633512>>722633616>>722633778Man, now I'm kinda tempted to do the weird route. It sucks because I'm the kind of pussy that feels bad for saying mean stuff to NPCs. How can I overcome this?
>>722633778It hits the rape fantasy for them pretty solidly as it's "Susie clearly has some feelings for Kris, she's just too chickenshit scared/anxious to do it". So the rape isn't out of thin air but more of the angst-rich vibes of>I'm scared>I don't want this...do I?>I like Kris/Noelle but not like this>I shouldn't want this>I'm scared that I want this>I don't want this...do I?My memory's hazy but innit she even starts scooching on the couch closer to him before >proceed?So it just boosts the noncon-to-dubcon air. And I mean shit, you have Kris being agency-raped by (you) at the same time too. What's that line from Toby about being the eroge king or whatever because he just came up with the most perfect rape/dubcon/noncon kind of scenario imaginable. The suggestive symbolism is nothing short of a masterpiece.
>>722633995>How can I overcome this?Just play it.
>>722634148when are we getting our hero back
>>722633995Literally.Just.>PROCEED
Imagine seeing two people IRL who are friends and you go over to them grab them both by the heads and force their faces together to try to make them kiss while they cry and beg you to stop. That's what Kriselle is.
>>722634436Yes.And I'll fucking do it again.
>>722634436I was already sold into doing it, you don't have to encourage me further anon.
>>722633995 *With a Demonic voice* "Proceed."
>>722633995i have a corruption fetishthis is not an exaggeration to say that i had a boner during the entire noelle section of chapter 2barely a chub in ch4, i wanted to possess noelle with the moving heart, was really disappointed when it rubberbanded back to kris
>>722634617I don't know man, developing a fetish just to do a video game path sounds like a lot of work.
>>722634436I WILL MAKE NOELLE AND KRIS HAVE SEX TOGOTHER AND NOTHING CAN STOP ME!
>>722632806It's her special moveThe Susie Flip
>>722634436that's hot.
Is it weird that I don't self insert as Kris and I legit just find both of them pure and cute and I want to see them together not for my benefit but for them?
>>722633590Hence needing to address where it went and all that. Again, something that doesn't matter if Kris can't be the Girl. More time to develop more relevant things, like, well, Noelle.This is approaching Mike levels of trying to tie disparate things to the main plot. I mean, I do think the Vessel will come back at some point, but I don't think it'll be part of Kris and the Knight's plan. It'll likely be as anomalous as our own presence.
>>722634776sic flip
>>722634882Kris is anything but pure. Noelle also isn't pure but lacks the self-hatred. My general perspective is similar as I see their story akin to a bildungsroman. I want them to grow in their suffering and find solace in each other.
>>722634776Thanks for delibery even if you are a yag fag
>>722634731"NO FRIEZA, DON'T DO IT!!"
>>722634067I never knew Toby was capable of writing rape-kino
>>722633778god damn boss, is there more of this?
>>722635008>>722635184Thank you I hope you enjoy Susie doing a skateboard which she can do, she can do it nine times
>>722634731*Raises Susie far up into the air and blows her up with his Ki.*
Kris and Noelle are my playthings. To do with as I please.
>>722635219YOU'VE ALREADY LOST YOU STUPID MONKEY! NOELLE AND KRIS ARE HAVING BED BREAKING SEX AS WE SPEAK!!!
Hey Freezer don't you have an empire to run or something?
>>722635798https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qNmE0xQgfI
>>722634946>This is approaching Mike levels of trying to tie disparate things to the main plotNo it's not, it's quite simple >No one really believes the Vessel is gone, like gone gone. It's going to be relevant at some point>If the vessel exists, there must be two cages Or >There's one cage, and someone else trying to be the cage who wouldn't be the cage otherwise.Which fits if >Someone doesn't want Noelle or Dess to be The GirlWhich we know is Carol already, and->There's a ready sacrifice for The Girl Which we know is Susie. But Susie doesn't fit any of the criteria for the prophecy. It doesn't matter what Carol does, Susie does not use a sword, and does not have a SOUL. The Girl can't be Susie no matter how much Kris and Carol try to make that happen. And it's doubtful it's Noelle because when was the last time you saw Noelle use a sword or have a Soul? The only candidate we know of that fits this is Kris and Dess, and we don't even know what Dess looks like.
Personally...I think rape is bad.
>>722635943"I WON'T LET YOU WIN!!"
>>722635234I'm sure there is a ton more images depicting the rape you can find on any pornsite or twitter, and a large amount were done by biological women too.Just like the post you just replied to.Also this artist is the same that drew all that Omori Mari stuff.
>>722634946>>722628894Also going back to your original point, I don't think Carol, a bitch that she might be, is callous enough to want to sacrifice Kris. On the contrary, she seems to really like Kris. Killing Kris is something she would want to prevent, too.
>>722635884Kriselle is the most important part of my empire you fool! With the dragon balls I will make it canon HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Susie will bear MANY man monster eggs
>>722636010>>722633778real king shit, thanks
>>722636003Ralsei: "She, she transformed!!"
>>722625645Prepare to be sad.
>>722625583>She/Theywhy is tumblr like this why is tumblr like this why fucking why why fucking why
I like that most art that depict the rape do so on the couch even though there's a perfectly good bed in the room. Really adds to the animalistic lust.
OUR HEROES
>>722636010amazing stuff, i never played undertale or deltarune, but this is the kinky shit i love to see
>>722634148is spamton awkwardly replacing sans out of all characters supposed to have some deeper meaning?
>>722636360it's fine, Noelle loves it too
>>722635943>>722636003>>722636157W-What! what is this? it's no possible! Grrrrrrrrr!!!....Don't act so smug you overgrown lizard!
>>722636414Nah it's just fun.But if you want to you can imagine it as having a deeper meaning.
>>722636341NO GODDAMNIT
>>722620330lmao, no
>>722636414Yes the deeper meaning is "I did not expect this funny salesman to take off in popularity like he has so now he has to fit somewhere"
>>722621472That's still a type of mindbreak. One of the more common types in fact.
>>722636454"ALLY TO NERDS! NIGHTMARE TO YOU!!"
Humans are irresistible to monsters.
>>722621472Chapter 5 weird route will combine her fear fetish with a newly budding cuckqueen fetish
>>722636319If you were raping a girl would you bother moving her to the bed? Be real now
>>722636642I can't believe back in chapter 1 I wanted this Now on chapter 4 I want Susie to be on the chair and Kris and Noelle in the bed.
>>722636585Did someone say "Rape the Doe"?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJwMbbP1MpM
on one hand, I'm loving the doe deflowering arton the other hand, wholesome Kriselle as a concept is dead now
>>722636979It's more rare now but the wholesome Kriselle art you can find now is so sweet it can give you diabetes.
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>>722628009Just how many people are going to be misled about the black SHARD? It isn't a schizo crystal.
>>722637273how can toby write this and that fucking apple story at the same time?
>>722636979You can have wholesome older sister now.
>>722636642>>722636585"Susie, you will be the first of my rape victims."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5e2eFZS1IE&list=RDf5e2eFZS1IE&start_radio=1
>>722637319>same weapon as Krisdamn his fight will be tough
>>722634067>The Weird Route is just (You) raping everyone in DeltaruneIt'll be GOTY when its fully complete.
I'm still kinda bored
>>722623135I'd rather mind break Kris so thoroughly that they can both become little more than pretty dolls kissing each other in a broken world
>>722634436Anon, enough. One could only get so hard.
>>722623893Noelle is my type, Susie isn't.
>>722637418No it won't.Just don't get hit.
>>722637719>Asgore gets a fighter slider and just one shots you with a crit you can't dodge
>>722637520This man guy gets it. The true goal of (you) is to break twist and mold both Kris and Noelle into the perfect little couple that looks like they belong in a Norman Rockwell painting.It won't matter if the lights are off as long as they sitting on a bench in a nice garden holding hands and kissing it's all that matters. Everything else can be wasted.
>>722634436I'm now going to find two attractive looking friends IRL and force them to kiss by gunpoint. It's gonna be hot.
I’ve got this very specific feeling that at some point during Snowgrave, Kris’s body is going to get frozen by Noelle and preserved in some kind of twisted affectionate gesture
Kralsei is Real
>>722637782That would be a scripted event.Doesn't count as being hit.Basically the same thing as the whole party getting one-shot after Susie breaks the knight's blade.
>>722637440lol stink lines
>>722633069Dress all the socialites in red, while Kris and Noelle are in white.
If you could put both Kris and Noelle into any time period you want what would you choice?
>>722635976>If the vessel exists, there must be two cages or there's one cage, and someone else trying to be the cage who wouldn't be the cage otherwise.Kris and the Knight would not leave that much up to chance. If they had the opportunity to steal the SOUL from the Vessel, they'd take the Vessel too. They could be stashing it somewhere and lied to us about discarding that, but that's unfounded conjecture.>And it's doubtful it's Noelle because when was the last time you saw Noelle use a sword or have a Soul?Well, now you're making it sound like Carol's supposed to be the Girl. Uses swords, obsessed with heart-shaped objects and the like.Going off of that, Noelle picking up a sword like her mother wouldn't come out of nowhere, and there's already data that she's allowed to equip the Jingle Blade and Black Shard, weapons you get after Chapter 2. Keep in mind that the prophecy itself can be setup for future development in as much as everything before hand is setup for it. Unlike the Vessel, this would have a pretty clear and immediate traceback.>>722636095>Killing Kris is something she would want to prevent, too.I agree. Which is why I don't think even Carol knows the full arrangement between Kris and the Knight, if she's even in on it. I don't think she'd be happy about Noelle finding love if she knew the implications. Or it being with Kris for the same reason, even if your proposal is accurate.
>Suselle totally isn’t gonna happen!
>>722636642>>722621472Inevitable yandere when Kris cucks both Susie and Noelle with Dess
>>722626675>Dude all you gotta do is just say you're trans and they gotta accept it without any evidence of transition>You get awesome perks like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh death threats
>>722637520>>722637797Isolating Kris even further from their friends than the Knight or Carol ever could!Kris guilt spiraling after using their body and voice to mindbreak Noelle!Forcing Kris to make them only think of Noelle when they want a break from our control!Psychologically torturing Kris by making them kiss and grope Noelle nonconsensually!Taunting Kris by dangling freedom in their face, only to snatch it away at the last second!Kris having an existential crisis by breaking the prophecy!Making Kris fall into despair by ruining the Knight's plans!Ruining Kris's life by revealing all the horrible things we made them do!Kris getting a glimmer of hope when Susie tries to save them from us!Kris losing the will to live when we kill Susie with their own blade!Kris forfeiting all autonomy when there's nothing left to fight for!Throwing Kris away like a broken doll after we had our fun with the game!Torturing Kris all over again in a new save file!
>>722638645>Kris and the Knight would not leave that much up to chance.How do you know that? This is what I call 'reaching'. The Knight isn't even a real character, we're not even sure they have the capacity to plan ahead and aren't just acting entirely on prophecy. > They could be stashing it somewhere and lied to us about discarding that, but that's unfounded conjecture.I think the fact that we were allowed to pick it in the first place isn't just a coincidence. >Well, now you're making it sound like Carol's supposed to be the Girl. Uses swords, obsessed with heart-shaped objects and the like.I mean, could be. We haven't seen her with a soul though. Again, the only two people the prophecy currently fits are Kris, the Knight (maybe?) and Dess. Assuming Dess isn't the Knight or that Dess has a soul at all. Which is also pretty far-reaching conjecture.Basically I'm not convinced this isn't tricky toby pulling a fast one with Kris until we see Noelle, Dess, or Susie get the soul and use it.
>>722625645He is gonna be our proper vessel in the Snowgrave route. Trust the plan.
>>722638889I mean it would work for Kris. Everyone, even the description of items, points out that he dresses like a boy but has the hands, build, body of a pretty princess.
>>722638920Does liking this kind of stuff make me evil? it worries me how much I like this.
>>722639065Kris is a girl?
>>722636414toy story i dont want to play with you anymore .jpg
>>722638081> Noelle wants to devote herself totally to Kris> [PROCEED]> Kris - not wanting this to happen - struggles against (you)r influence, fighting you to a standstill> Noelle is confused, then becomes frustrated, then becomes furious.> She sacrificed so much to get here, did everything Kris wanted, and now he's stonewalling her? Why won't look her in the eye, why is he visibly shaking? Is he holding back laughter? Was this all an elaborate prank?!> In a flash of rage, Noelle snowgraves Kris.> The snow begins to clear, Kris's silhouette stands over her.> Pale limbs contorted in pain.> Glimpses of a face frozen in horror.> Disbelief and despair swirl within her. She cannot bring herself to look directly at it.> She rejects, what lay before her. Squeezing her eyes shut. Deluding herself, playing the fool.> "Kris. I'm sorry, I lost control for a moment."> "K-kris? I'm sorry okay, just say something. Are you alright? You are okay, r-right?> A crimson light washes over Noelle's face, bright and deep enough for her to detect even through closed eyes.> A red shape slips fully out of Kris' torso and floats before her.> [YES]
>>722639169We just don't know. If you listen to items describing Kris, sure. If you listen to the prophecy and the circumstances Kris is in, no.
>>72263916950/ 50 chance
>>722634436Imagine if you did that, and then the girl asked you to do it again, and the guy only ever resisted after you finished making them fuck. That's what Kriselle is. Its clear that to a certain extent they both enjoy it, and hate the fact that they do.
Does mentally torturing Kris make it easier for you if you think of them as a girl or a boy?
>>722639227>>722639237Why do I feel like I would like Kris more if he was a she?
>>722639274Honestly it's not about torture. I like the idea of a tomboyish girl Kris who is also kind of edgy.
>>722639169I think the chances of a household with an adopted daughter keeping her in the same room with their biological son all the way into college is about zero.
>>722639280Japan is waaay ahead of you. it would explain the sociopathic moodiness, at least.
>>722634617I have a freaky woman fetish. Noelle has a corruption fetish, and that turns me on.
>>722639361Shit you are right, there goes the possibility. >>722639376Oh yeah doesn't Japan pretty much go with the whole girl Chara thing? Sounds awesome if that's true.
>>722637440It has kind of felt like the same images have been posted a lot recently. Lot of the same things too.
>>722639361>>722639432Not necessarily, Toriel has shown to be pretty clueless about how to raise Kris. She was shown checking a book out on the library about raising humans because she thought it was radically different from raising Asriel. Also we don't know what Kris' side of the room looks like, Kris tore every single identifying object off their side of the room in anticipation for taking (you). So we can't even judge from the room if it's male or female coded or what their interests even were. There's a trophy shelf, but no trophies. There's a place for posters on the wall like Asriel's, but no posters. We can't judge Kris from the room because it's clear they've taken steps to keep us from doing that.
>>722636010MOOOOOOOOOOOODS
>>722637797>normal rockwell paintingNo, I want something more classical. With an air of somber tragedy to its beauty.>The lights are offNo, they're on, he's just too broken to say no anymore. He'd rather just let it happen, after all, he likes being able to do those things, then say it wasn't him.
>>722639280it explains a lot of little quirks with krisit's also natural bias to accept more bullshit with females as a male (only so much through)
>>722639361We're not having this conversation again. Toriel wouldn't think Asriel would rape Kris in their sleep, that's insane.
>>722633069>>722633292>>722638546>"Ding" "Ding" "Ding" Ladies and gentlemen the guests of honour have arrived.>Stage light shines on Kris and Noelle standing together in the middle of the party with Kris wearing a white suit and Noelle wearing a whit dress. >Kris is looking at the ground clearly upset while Noelle looks around panicked and confused. >The Kriselle guests all wearing red and wearing Heart shaped masks surround them>Voices in the crowd can be heard saying stuff like "Such a perfect little couple." "So cute!" "They look so good together." The crowd closes in while Kris tries to push them away and Noelle starts to cry as they grab at her >Red hands are grasping at them as they hold their bodies and limbs and heads >"KISS!" "KISS!" "KISS!" The crowd cheers as they pop Champaign >Kris and Noelle are pushed together their faces forced together as they are uncomfortability made to kiss as the crowd cheers.
So where did all the normal people who don't care about shipping or gooning to rape art go until the next chapter comes out?
>>722639659So you're saying there's still a possibility thanks to the fact that Toriel doesn't know much about humans. I like that, that would be in character with Toriel too to be fair. Also nice pic, girl Kris hits different.
>>722639152Less "evil" and more of exploring the recesses of your psyche. Just try not to get lost.
>>722639668
>>722639553Unfortunately I can guarantee you that a lot of the posts itt are one dude pretending to have a conversation with himself.
>>722639749>it's also natural bias to accept more bullshit with females as a male (only so much through)You actually explained it, it's weird though. I would suddenly see those attemps at being edgy as cute rather than annoying.
>>722624848I imagine snowgrave moving forward probably is going to have specific dialogue checks and boss fight conclusions to stay on the route, Noelle is already very strong so I don't think we need to farm her up againOr who knows, the rest of the game is just going to have slight deviations like ch3 and some additional scenes like ch4, while the rest is 90% the same
>>722639830/vg/?
>>722638920I think the best thing would be making Noelle your accomplice. She comes around to liking everything you've done for her, and now she's helping (you) convince Kris to play along.>"Come on Kris, admit it. We both wanted it.">"He just gave you a little push">"Come on, we'll be so much happier if you stop denying yourself."And the worst part is that he knows she meant every word
>>722638934>The Knight isn't even a real character, we're not even sure they have the capacity to plan ahead and aren't just acting entirely on prophecy.How do *you* know that? Or even figure that? The Knight obviously has something bigger in mind than just being a blind antagonistic force, otherwise it would've caused the Roaring or attacked Castle Town by now, things that Ralsei specifically points out as strange. If the Knight has a promise with Kris, a strong enough one to give Kris pause to telling Susie everything, it's probably built on something that Kris would resolutely trust, and in way too deep to back out of now.Sounds like a long-term finely detailed plan to me. And a plan like that will have contingencies. I don't think either Kris or the Knight's plans are that of passion, the biggest miscalculation either of them made is something neither could ever think to account for: Kris actually becoming best friends with Susie. Something that might've seemed impossible at the start of the game. Not having the Vessel is a much harder sell, it'd turn the emotional turmoil into short-sighted stupidity.>I think the fact that we were allowed to pick it in the first place isn't just a coincidence. I think it'll return too, just not as planned by Kris or the Knight.>Basically I'm not convinced this isn't tricky toby pulling a fast one with Kris until we see Noelle, Dess, or Susie get the soul and use it.Toby made the simple decision to introduce the Knight in Chapter 3 and escalate that with a Titan the following chapter. Basically every schizotheory leading up to those chapters hyperfocused on Mike, who turned out to be completely nothing.What I've learned from that is that it's very easy to overthink it. Toby probably wants to tell the engaging story over the needlessly convoluted and possibly contradictory one.
>>722639659Toriel might be a retard when it comes to humans in general, but it isn't like raising children is a new concept to her. Shes a school teacher too. And generally children of different sexes need different rooms growing up, unless you live in a tiny third world hut where space isn't available. Its embarrassing having to share a private space with the opposite sex growing up. But both boys and girls don't really have an issue changing in front of other boys and girls.>>722639758Who said anything about rape? Teens are horny fuckers or have you forgotten in your age? You'd never experiment with a family member (probably) but one who wasn't even close to being blood related at all probably has a higher occurrence.
>>722639896instinctively males understand that females are weaker, so their attempts to look intimidating and tough can come across as cutei think it's the protective instinct kicking inagain, within reason
>>722639830they go where they always go when there's nothing new to gnaw on. Insane.
>>722639830I can't speak for everyone, but me personally I didn't go anywhere.I think the real people got sick of being edged with the Yagi stuff and are hanging out elsewhere until the newsletter comes out.Also Deltarune threads have been extra shit lately because the tard from /vg/ got caught samefagging
>>722640014I hear you man. Felt like I needed an explanation fot this kind of bullshit double standard I had though so that's appreciated lol.
>>722639839Toriel not knowing what to do with Kris is one of the ongoing themes of Toriel and why she comes off as neglectful. >>722639990>But both boys and girls don't really have an issue changing in front of other boys and girls.That's fair, but that assumes Toriel sees Kris as even that in the first place. Kris is a human, Asriel is a monster.
>>722640114I'm aware of that and even entertained the idea but at the same time I thought even she wouldn't be this clueless on that regard.
>>722639839It's possible in that Toriel really doesn't see Kris or Asriel as being something other than siblings. Many siblings grow up together. That's not weird at all, even subtracting the monster and human thing. >>722639896>I would suddenly see those attemps at being edgy as cute rather than annoying.I mean they are cute, even if Kris is a boy the fact it's clearly just a put-on and when things get truly out of hand like on the Weird route, he drops all pretense and acts like a good boy who wants to protect everyone from the demon he summoned.
>>722639963I fucking love the idea of Noelle being a total freak who just needs a push to bring out her true self. And Kris becomes the bigger victim than her. She wants to be broken and used up alongside Kris.
>>722640114Toriel would have to be even more retarded than anyone could ever imagine if she couldn't figure this basic thing out. This is why most everyone recognizes Kris as a male because it makes sense given his living situation. There would be more of an argument if they had a separate room for Kris but there isn't one so we can't make that argument.
TOBY FOX (MORE LIKE "TROON"BY FOX)PAID SHILL BY LEFT GROOMING KIDS THIS ANTI NATALIST ANTI WHITE GARBAGE THE STRAIGHT RELATIONSHIP CAN ONLY BE ACCESSED IN THE NEGATIVE ROUTE (WHICH WE ALL KNOW MEANS IT WILL BE NONCANONICAL) PUSHING MORE LESBIAN DEI REPRESENTATIONIN SPITE OF THE STATISTICS???NAME AND DEPORT THE JEW TOBY FOXTHERE MUST BE A RECKONINGJUSTICE FOR CHARLIE KIRKHANG ALL TROONS AND NONWHITES
It’s because Femkris just makes people want Chasriel 2.0
>>722640223>he drops all pretense and acts like a good boy who wants to protect everyone from the demon he summoned.The same person who works with The Knight, creating fountains all around? Hypocrite!
>>722639971>Toby made the simple decision to introduce the Knight in Chapter 3 and escalate that with a Titan the following chapter. Basically every schizotheory leading up to those chapters hyperfocused on Mike, who turned out to be completely nothing.NTA, What does Mike have to do with anything? Mike was a silly theory because it involved the existence of a new character we had never seen that was only hinted at in website special events and datamining a game that specifically adds needless data points to be vague. That's kind of why Kris Girl is an intriguing theory: It doesn't involve a new character we haven't seen. We have all of the pieces already for the prophecy. Really, the interpretation The Girl could be Dess is as far-fetched as Mike because it assumes the existence of another character we haven't seen yet to take the place of The Girl when we don't even know what she looks like.
>>722639830outside
>>722640298No, I want FemKris x SOUL/me in a toxic relationship
It drives me insane that fucking Tumblr is the main place to find really good KrisXNoelle art I hate that site yet all the good artists are on it for some unGodly reason.
>>722640308I doubt Kris cares if the world ends as long as its not his hand that does it. We're talking someone who fits every single hallmark of chronic depression on top of being an edgelord.
>>722640358>It drives me insane that fucking Tumblr is the main place to find really good KrisXNoelle artIts because thats where a good chunk of female artists live and they're all looking at the horrible situation of both Kris and Noelle and thinking >"God I wish that were me..."
>>722640379That's why it's the player's duty to take the reigns in Snowgrave route and be the bigger villain.
>>722640298They're siblings, that's gross. Andy and Leyley thread is two doors down on the left
>>722639830Probably just not posting because they don't want to be talked past by a mentally ill /vg/ poster talking to himself.
>>722640358Honestly is tumblr still as bad as it was back then? I figure they are on bluesky and shit, but maybe the bad tumblristas came back
>>722640358Is she talking to Kris or the player?
>>722640462What the fuck does synced up mean?
>>722639971>How do *you* know that? Or even figure that? The Knight obviously has something bigger in mind than just being a blind antagonistic force, otherwise it would've caused the Roaring or attacked Castle Town by now, things that Ralsei specifically points out as strange. If the Knight has a promise with Kris, a strong enough one to give Kris pause to telling Susie everything, it's probably built on something that Kris would resolutely trust, and in way too deep to back out of now.This is really because the Knight isn't a character, at least not yet. They're a boss fight who runs off like a scooby-doo villain when confronted. Basically, we don't have the pieces to make an assumption like that one way or another. I also don't buy that Toby would put a twist somewhere in the prophecy and the story that we would have guessed by now.
>>722640358Both She loves Kris and (You)
>>722639990>Its embarrassing having to share a private space with the opposite sex growing up. But both boys and girls don't really have an issue changing in front of other boys and girls.I'll also add that either Kris or Asriel would likely complain or mention how uncomfortable it is living in the same room to someone if they weren't both boys. Even if Toriel was a completely dense retard, her children telling her this alone would've prevented them living in the same room all the way into near adulthood.
>>722640242Kris is a sadist himself, he's just got more shame about it than Noelle. He likes hurting people, he just hates to admit it. That's why he enjoys what you're doing, but hates you for doing it.
>>722640505their periods
How badly do you think this would've fucked up Noelle?
>>722640631Berdly hits hard. You can tell he wants to be smug but he can't do it, he can't stop the tears.
>>722640631ONE! NOTHING WRONG WITH ME! TWO! NOTHING WRONG WITH ME! THREE! NOTHING WRONG WITH ME!
>>722640631Kris and Susie dying or getting married? Noelle is a yandere, but Kris and Susie are her friends to some extent.
>>722640631What's the context?
>>722640427And that's the exact same thing Noelle would say if she saw this happen to someone else.Forget Andrew Hussie, Noelle is based off of the women Toby met on Tumblr.
>>722640631she would an hero almost immediately losing susie would fuck her up bad but if she still had kris she might be able to recover, losing both of them she'd inconsolable
>>722640631Who brought the booze and why?
>>722640329Mike is the extreme of taking a singular throwaway angle and thinking everything will all of a sudden click as a result of its development. This theory doesn't go quite that far, but it gets pretty close.It hinges on Kris's gender actually mattering to the story. It assumes a lot of things about the Vessel that we haven't been hinted towards. It goes as far as trying to tie visuals in a surface level manner and attempting to declare that, just because of that, this is the only possibility. It completely tosses aside the implications or relevance of other characters' development. All so that whoever buys into this theory can get the biggest payout of their lives when this somehow turns out to be true despite the odds.That's why I liken it to Mike. That's why I can't take it seriously.
>>722640016In the event you are who I think you are, any opinion on the fact that they found you know who's personal account?
>>722640567>>722640358Why the Dr Seuss font?
All I'm learning from this thread is that woman are God damn freaks dude.
>>722640863it took this thread for you to finally figure it out?
>>722640863I'm pretty sure it's a dude from /vg/ that's been filling this thread with conversations with himself actually.But, you know it could be one of those gender weirdos.
>>722640631Catti has that "if only you knew how bad things really are" face
>>722640916I never visit /vg/ I just like talking about weird shit.
I really wish this artist made more Deltarune art.
>>722640557The Knight's enough of a character for Kris to kneel to. That's good enough to tell me that something big is between them.>I also don't buy that Toby would put a twist somewhere in the prophecy and the story that we would have guessed by now.Then you underestimate Tricky Tony, too. Though keep in mind that this is still a topic of fierce debate. I reckon a lot of people are still stuck on trying to figure out how Friend's supposed to fit into all of this. I wouldn't say it's as easy to guess as you imply.
>>722640809>Mike is the extreme of taking a singular throwaway angle and thinking everything will all of a sudden click as a result of its development. This theory doesn't go quite that far, but it gets pretty close.Nah not even remotely. Mike was always schizo headcanon. People couldn't even agree if he was a cat or a cowboy. At least this has some bearing on the story from what we've seen so far.>It hinges on Kris's gender actually mattering to the story. It assumes a lot of things about the Vessel that we haven't been hinted towards. It goes as far as trying to tie visuals in a surface level manner and attempting to declare that, just because of that, this is the only possibility. It completely tosses aside the implications or relevance of other characters' development. All so that whoever buys into this theory can get the biggest payout of their lives when this somehow turns out to be true despite the odds.Sure, but let's not pretend that The Girl position isn't disqualified for Susie because of visuals alone. We know Susie isn't supposed to be The Girl because of all of the aspects of the murals and the looks and the circumstances Susie is in. >That's why I liken it to Mike. That's why I can't take it seriously.I think that's just being closed minded Basically it's a long shot but I wouldn't call it schizo like Mike was.
>>722640863That's why Kris is a freak.
>>722640992Sure you don't.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/722497071/#722538508https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/541579484/#541603151andhttps://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/541579484/#541603237https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/722497071/#722538597
>>722641114This but it's male Kris
>>722641114Mentally torturing Female Kris in Snowgrave route feels wrong and like I'm enganging on an abusive relationship with her.
>>722641134Are you alright? why the hell does this have to do with me?
>>722641076one thing to note with the kris = the girl theory is that people who believe it try to only use arguments based on content within the game, the only thing recently that isn't is the concept art of the human now being used to connect kris to the prophecy with mike it was almost entirely speculation with little to no actual evidence within the game, although that was a common trait with post ch2 theories
>>722640809>It hinges on Kris's gender actually mattering to the story. IMO why wouldn't it? even Chara eventually got an official gender from Toby.
>>722641213That's the fun part.If it IS you, you have no excuse.If it ISN'T you, then you're aware most of this thread is full of some sperg from /vg/ having an ongoing full and complete meltdown replying to themselves.There's a correct way to react to this information.
>>722641306To be honest dude I think the only schizo here is you.
>>722641352Wrong answer dumb dumb
>>722641306Which posts and why?
>>722641394Meds now
>>722641441This strategy has ONLY backfired on you.
>>722641076>Sure, but let's not pretend that The Girl position isn't disqualified for Susie because of visuals alone. We know Susie isn't supposed to be The Girl because of all of the aspects of the murals and the looks and the circumstances Susie is in.Correct. To turn that around, I don't think Kris is qualified just because of the visuals. The actions leading up to and after this have to match too, and they don't make sense compared to if Kris is ineligible and Noelle is the original intended Girl. Looking at it holistically is the way we ought to look at it.>>722641240The only piece of counterevidence I've ever brought up that you could argue as outside of the game's scope is Noelle using swords. And even then, there's enough foreshadowing through Carol to make it not out of left field.I think this serves her to make her relevant more than pushing her to the Angel's role, which has not been given nearly as much focus.>>722641256I mean, it could. I think "mommy" was more of a reference to a meme where Toby refers to himself with that, but that's besides the point. That being it's more missing links than the more straightforward alternative.
December is approaching...
And just like that an "active" thread for hours came to a screeching halt.Ain't that funny?
>>722642002I can't wait for Chapter 5 all things considered.
>>722642002You know what, if that was all him maybe he wasn't so bad.
>>722642076Oh, no for sure, me too, I'd love to be able to actually talk about the game a thread is about or something people actually care about.
>>722642002I made a lot of posts about Kriselle but someone was always replying to me. Who ever it was it was fun talking to you bro. I gotta go to bed.
>>722642116IMO the only good posts itt were the mspaint doodles.
>>722642268I enjoyed the Kriselle discussion
>>722642367Bullshit
>>722642216goodnight, fellow kriselle enjoyer
>>722642423Sweet Kriselle filled dreams to you too my guy.
>>722621472(you) Have literally nothing to do with Noelles corruption. She's just like that naturally
>>722642002>the only good posters on /v/ are Yagi Fagis>The alternative is some guy flooding the thread pretending to have a conversation>That one guy hasn't talked about getting used as a cumsock by Yagi in a whileThe horror
>>722642937personally i don't get the obsession i guess it's funny that the 'ralsei is based off a dead kid' myth turned out to be true, except for the dead part, but i don't care for all the autism around it
>>722643164It is like the only thing close to something both real and new anyone here could talk about, also you know it'd probably be interesting to talk to a dude who's basically just Ralsei.It's less obsession, more everyone got cold feet after SOMEBODY fucked it up asking the original points of contact. People WANT to go talk to him but everyone's probably scared of just immediately being told to fuck off and it actually being over.
>>722643164I don't really care but he seems like a nice dude, way less annoying than whatever the fucks been going on for the past couple days.
>>722642747This.At best, we're exploiting something already inherent to Noelle.
>>722642747The corruption was there, but (you) exploit it by making it worse.
Dess consistently raped Noelle and that's why she's so easy to rape in the weird route.
>>722643687>Raped Kris>Raped Noelle>Raped Asriel>Currently raping UndyneWhen will her reign of terror end?
>>722643782As the American prison system shown us, the only way to beat a rapist is to rape them back. That's why we're making Noelle so powerful. It's so she can be able to rape Dess even in her knight form.
>>722623893i don't like susie in any romantic scenario, really. her attitude just sucks for it.
>>722643848but anon, if noelle rapes dess the number of rapists in the world stays the same
>>722643848>Implying (you)'ll let Noelle have first pick of that prime dussyMaybe she can have (YOU)r sloppy seconds after (you)'re done teaching her the power of DETERMINATION
>>722643954No.It increases.Because now there are two cervine rapers instead of one.
>>722643954Yes, but it would be pretty cool I think.
>>722643989I mean she doesn't have a cock so it wouldn't be gay. Unless she used icicles like a strap on, but that doesn't count.
>Just starting the "conversation" back up like nothing happened
>>722626583No it's not, it's just you (tranny faggot) that shills it because you have an AGP fetish that you project on Kris.
>>722644050Noelle already raped Kris. Its still the same amount.
>>722644334You gay or something?
>>722644334Whoa hey now, you can't say that, and you especially can't bring up that they were "going to bed".
You faggots all need to accept that Suselle is going to happen before chapter 5 dropsAfter what Toby said about Alphys and all the Alphyne shit, there's no way that it doesn't happen
>>722644615That other guy went to bed. I'm still here.
>>722644643it just makes it funny how he was just like "yup it's happening" so nonchalantlyit's no wonder shit like kriselle is getting more popular by the day
>>722644643I'm not accepting shit. I wouldn't accept it if it happened right in front of me. I'll drop the damn game before I accept Suselle.
>>722644439> Open delatrune thread > 100% chance there will be this theory with backed up with some weirdly smug text> All the replies to it WEIRDLY tend to be always something like "Oh yeah that makes sense!" This is a clear cut samefag case, I recommend filtering this tranny.
>>722644643Honestly, I feel like all this shipping stuff is overblown. I can see Suselle happening, but it'll turn out to be a short lived teenage thing. Good that it was happened, but it's also a good stepping stone.
>>722629252Because of Susie who is NOT the girl, Noelle is, with Noelle that wouldn't have happened, but Susie breaks the game, and so she will do to prophecy.
>>722644439>>722644709>zero arguments to the contrary >immediately throws the tranny hail marygo back to your discord if you want a hug box, we're discussing the game here
>>722644709This is how I feel about any theory regarding the "Girl".
>>722644709
This sucks ass, I'm not posting anymore unless some new shit goes down with whatshisface or we get a newsletter.
>>722645019What was his name again? Moby Sox?
>>722645061Pretty sure he's talking about Yagi
>>722644843Your theory is built on-> Your AGP fetish > Stretching obvious facts that Noelle/Dess being likely fits for the girl to somehow being KrisAnd gets quickly disproven by the fact that sex of human characters will never ever be a factor in the story.You're not discussing a game, you're juts having an AGP fantasy with Kris, YWNBAW.
>>722644643I was never under any other impression specifically because he's the same guy who wrote Alphys. But this isn't a romance game so it's not a major deal to me that a minor plot element like that is boring.
>>722645000> dynamic IP
>>722645156I know that picture is a joke, but I think it would be pretty cool to meet another character who's facing a similar situation to Kris's. Like imagine we have another section where our soul wanders around like in chapter four, but we meet up with a blue heart and we have to figure whoever could be housing that guy.
>>722645138why are you so obsessed with the mentally illyou keep shouting 'nuh uh' but refuse to make an actual argument i think you realize that it has ground and are desperately coping because if kris is a girl, you can't self insert as him fucking the other girls anymore
>>722645394>>722645138Huh, so maybe Tricky Toby did had a legitimate reason to make Kris adroygenous after all.
I think I'm gonna check out of posting about Deltarune too until something actually interesting happens.This sucks.
>>722645502i agreepost lancers
>>722645528Wow look at him go!
>>722645394Actual argument is (your) theory is just constant fact stretching and BUT WHAT IF questions, not only that, but it does not have any ground as you said, guess why? Because human characters sex will never be a relevant thing in the story.And no one's obsessed with you, fucking narcissist, it's just that YOU are a faggot that keeps spamming this turd theory and then replying to yourself in EVERY single thread.Also, you want to self insert on Kris JUST if he's a girl because you're a tranny, simple as.
>>722645613Man I couldn't believe Berdly was the Hometown Butcher this entire time.
>>722645613>Because human characters sex will never be a relevant thing in the story.And you know this how?
>>722644643I accepted it back in chapter two during the ferris-wheel.I saw the writing on the wallIll glance through these threads but I ain't giving Tobert Foxworthy any of my cash
>>722645765> Frisk's sex didn't matter > Chara's sex didn't matter > Random Mage's sex didn't matter > Kris is adrogynous and is also referred by they/them, with no regard or plot involvement it as to why Kris is they/them, it's just how human characters are in Toby's game.It's all for the same reason as to why we'll never see another human in this game.
>>722645925Yeah you're right. Still, it was kinda of an interesting train of thought to explore.
>>722645925>Other game (singular) (which is also explicitly meant to be different from this one) did it, so it must be that way in this gameYou're an easy mark, anon. I say this as someone who thinks Kris probably will remain ambiguous.You can't rule anything out with "that's not how it works" in a Toby game, because he loves tricking people with stuff like that.Sure, I don't think Kris will be explicitly female, but that's exactly what Toby would want me to think if he's planning to use that as a plot twist later. So instead I don't rule anything out.
>>722644643Alphys ship Krusie, retard. If her Undyne wish came true, then its also going to happen with krusie
>>722646258Alphys is an incompetent high school teacher that probably regularly goons to badly done doujins. She's not even a super scientist like she was in Undertale. Plus, what makes you think she wished for Krusie?
>>722646414
>>722622383>>722623746The big push for the fair-and-inclusive singular they is rapidly erasing the plural meaning from people's minds.
I'm going to breed this weather reporter.
>>722646573You know Alphys wants to bang Kris.
>Noelle says this>is le heking cute and valid lesbian romance>Berdly would say it>Dude, that's creepy, he sexualise his classmate
>>722646710>reporterAnon, she's the weather
>>722646845Literally the only difference is that Berdly is autistic. Like yeah, it's still pathetic, but Noelle is socially competent enough to mask it, to the extent that much of the audience forgets it.
>>722646845Berdly would talk about playing Dragon Blazers with her and learning her strats. Its funny that his attraction to Susie is more healthy than Noelle's.
>>722646710Was her and Elnino story suppose to show that Toriel and Asgore will eventually get together?
>>722646953Yes but it will take having Sans involved in a open relationship sort of way to make it work.
I subscribe to Chud Kris, which is that he's doing it because he hates monsters, he hates women, and most importantly, he hates homosKris is just like me
>>722646845Both Undyne x Alphys and Noelle x Susie have implications that both couples would physically abuse each other. Undyne tosses Alphys in the trash, Noelle wants to be abused. Toby implying that lesbian relationships are abusive in nature? If not, it's a funny coincidence.I mean, 61% of lesbian couple suffer household abuse compared to 35% of straight couples, so hey, at least you're being realistic, Toby.
>>722646927Berdly is a victim of circumstances. He doesnt get whats going on with Noelle and Kris and Dess and he just assumes Kris did something that makes Noelle sad and assume his protection over Noelle in his autistic way
>>722646884That goes without saying.
>>722647021Meanwhile he also see Kris as male and makes Krusie the most wholesome relationship in the game. What is tricky Tony doing?
>>722647064noelle also admits that berdly is really nice to her when it's just the two of them
>>722647021Now I just imagine Noelle forcing Susie to choke her and her getting really weirded out by it. Kinda like that fanfic I read where she made her pretend to be Dess during sex.
>>722647125Maybe we will hear from Berdly in chapter 5 and why he so antagonistic to Kris. At least with Susie he was aware she's a no good bully
>>722647121Could be a subconscious design choice. His surface level thoughts see the abuse as endearing, but his inner thoughts are trying to reveal his true feelings on the matter. Happens all the time in human creative processes. There's always a layer of admission in there.
>>722622383Are you mentally ill freak?
>>722647015What if Sans dumps her because she's got too much baggage.
>>722647237he's got a rivalry thing going on with krishe calls kris the third smartest in the class and kris 'cheats' when they play vidyain reality kris is the second smartest because he doesn't need noelle's help with everything and knows how to wavedash while berdly doesn't/ can't they put up with each other but i don't think it's active hatred/ kris does haul his ass to the hospital after ch3 in the weird route
>>722646665Only if you're a fuckin retard
>>722647309Would be crafty if Sans just dates her to be closer to Kris because he is suspicious of Kris' behavior.
>>722647417i would rather if Sans wasnt important in the plot. Lightner teenagers are already powerfull enough to defeat strongest entities in darkner world. Adults would be on the level of Roaring Knight, so characters like Sans would be some end game eldtrich unbeatable monster
>Susie finds out about Kris colluding with the Knight>She's pissed>A mirror of the Lancer fight happens where she tries to kill Kris>Susie is on the left side of the screen and Kris is on the right>We can't do anything but watch as she slowly beats him down >As she's about to kill Kris the Soul flies into her body>The options are either Stop or Proceed>If we tell her spare Kris, love makes it way to the girl>If we tell her to kill Kris, she levels up. LOVE made it's way to the girl.
>>722640824>Would you, could you, rape a doe? In the rain or in the snow?>I would not, could not, in the rain! I would not, could not in the snow! I will not rape her, Toby-O!
>>722620330I see a Noelle thread I click it, simple as
>>722647551Eh, I just find the whole Sans/Toriel dynamic to be rather forced. I don't think Asgore deserves the hate he's getting; my guy deserves better.
>>722647653There is no way Susie will even attempt to seriously hurt Kris. Try snowgrave Noelle
>>722647527Get back to making the game Toby chop chop! You can be get your prostate hammered some other time.
>>722647653susie backed off with lancer when she was at her angriest she'll do the same with kris, i think she'll look back on the lancer thing and realize that kris probably has a reason for doing this and might not be betraying her out of malice, but out of worry
>>722647237I think it's some kind of rivalry Berdly is trying to force, since in his mind Kris is the third smartest person in class behind him and Noelle.
>>722647739>>722647862>There is no way Susie will even attempt to seriously hurt Kris.She's been hurt before Anon.Do you really think she's just gonna take one of the few people that truly, TRULY gave her a big shot betraying her well?Her best friend?We all make mistakes, we all fall sometimes.It's up to us to help her get back up, make sure she doesn't do something she can't take back.Both of them.Us and Her, we can redeem Kris.
>>722647380Kris seems to be friendly with Berdly. He just also enjoys antagonizing him.
>>722647551What if Sans tries to be important, but gets hit by some really weak cheap shot and dies because he only has 1 HP?
>>722647957it's hard to gauge how much kris actually likes berdly and how much is just kris being a decent personi don't think kris would call berdly a friend, but clearly they have spent some time together recreationally
>>722647916I guess what I'm trying to say is WE GET KNOCKED DOWN, BUT WE GET UP AGAIN, NOTHING EVER GONNA KEEP US DOWN!
>>722647551Adults may actually be weaker because they don't have the naive ability to think regular household objects are weapons. I guess we'll find out when we have to face Asgore in Chapter 5.
>>722647916i think she'll lash out initially and then catch herselfagain, it'll be a parallel to her fight with lancer except the stakes are much higher this timeit'll hurt more and kris probably won't explain himself as readily, but it'll be clear that neither of them actually want to hurt the other, and that's the first step
>>722638889>You get awesome perks like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh death threatsYou're being dumb. They get immunity to consequences because everyone is too afraid of being called transphobic.
>>722647916She's as much killing Kris as Naruto is killing Sasuke, bro. You are full delusional if you can't read tropes that inspired Toby.
>>722648136Undyne was completely confused and unprepared and she still managed to stop the Knight and conjure her weapons and armor
>>722648248Yeah but that's Undyne, she thinks Anime is real
>>722648151>>722648214She won't kill Kris, she'll catch herself, partially because of us.In the normal route at least...I'm implying that we FORCE her to kill him in the Weird Route and take over her body.
>>722648136with what we've seen of asgore i feel like he'd be childish (for lack of a better term)/schizo enough to pull off dark world bullshit, assuming he hasn't already been there before
>>722648412The flower shop Dark World is gonna turn into the Wild West isn't it, just like his favorite cowboy show.He's gonna be the Goat with No Name.The Ecstasy of Pink and Gold.
>>722648546Woodybroswe are so back
>>722648546>Susie: Wow, this place is really YELLOW, huh?
>>722648546>>722648753And the Friend Inside Me? The anal plug sponsored by the show.
>>722640745They never came back from the Dark World, it's a memorial photo
>>722648824>DRAW
DESS RAPED MESHE RAPED ME BEHIND THE TREE
>>722649887>Well, there is not a man here.>There is a woman here.
>>722649887Asriel...
>>722649887Be quiet Noelle.
>>722634436>That's what Kriselle is.They unironically both kind of want it though.
>>722648060>Kris>Being a decent personHim secretly wanting to fuck Berdly is more plausible.
>>722641183It's called taming a tomboy.
>>722640631Noelle is inches away from bluescreening as it is, when I get my vessel back and take out the fuck squad she's resetting to factory settings
>>722641042Agree, and not just because I have a mild vore fetish.
>>722640631I would be genuinly shocked if she doesn't kill herself.
>>722640358Tumblr is filled with horny teenagers that understand Kris and Noelle on a level that most people don't.
>>722651823>Resetting to a factory settingUsed goods are useless. Better to replace her with a new model.
>>722626253>>722626583The same "PROPHESY" also mentions the HERO as a HUMAN BOY with a HUMAN SOUL and HUMAN PARTSthat is also HUMANhow do you explain that part then?or are you telling me Kris is NOT the ONLY HUMAN in town?
>>722649131https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxu9uBbCNJU&list=RDfxu9uBbCNJU&start_radio=1
>>722652334>or are you telling me Kris is NOT the ONLY HUMAN in town?NTA but (You) were supposed to be the Vessel aka The First Hero but Gaster had other plans and discarded the vessel you created and (You) possess Kris now instead.Where did the Kris' own soul went is the real question
Weird route is the "Heaven's Feel route" of Deltarune
>>722652519>mixel animationThis bothers me, this really bothers me
>>722652334not defending the gaylord's headcanon but the prophesy[sic] only refers to "a cage, with human soul and parts" iirc
>>722652561heaven's feel?
>>722627816Soul
>>722652668Fate/Stay Night is a porn game with multiple routes. In the Heaven's Feel route you fuck the low self-esteem rape girl, and the plot is derailed into something darker and more insane.
I will move Heaven and Earth to make Kris and Noelle into lovers. It doesn't matter how much they so no. I am the one in control.
>>722652561I doubt it's going to have a happy ending...
>>722633704Frisk was better, though.
>>722639432>Oh yeah doesn't Japan pretty much go with the whole girl Chara thing?Japan in general leans towards female humans. I will say Male Kris is still more popular but female Kris definitely shows up more than the west.
>>722639830Outside. Do you really expect normal people to post daily for over 4 or so months?
>>722640462Yeah, Krisriel is incest unlike Chasriel.
HOLY FUCK Dess is Kris's BIOLOGICAL MOTHER
weird route is my main routeI put my seed in the doe
>>722652536It's clearly it wasn't Gaster who threw the vessel away, it was an outside force working with Kris.Which is why Kris is so calm about suddenly waking up possessed, he knew what he is doing and what will happen now that he has a YOU soul inside of him.
>>722656621Chasriel is incest because Chara has a incest fetish and wouldn't want it any other way.
>>722641213Don't give it attention.
>>722647121Toby is relating his experience of being cucked by his bully in high-school with Deltarune.
>>722649887Kris...
How do you fix her rampant homosexuality?
>>722657201Fair point.
>>722657325>Crying about people noticing you samefagging hours later and drawing attention to it
>>722640467Yes it's still bad, even more so with the porn ban, now they're hard gatekeeping their safe space
>>722621472im still shocked that toby got away with this route. its worse than undertales geno route because this one has an explicit psychological element.
>>722657828Toby was the one doing the cucking thoughever. Let's not forgot the Chuggaaconroy Incident.
>>722658889Probably because most of it only happens during half of a chapter, outside it's the exact same as the normal route.
>>722658121nice try poopdickschizo
What romance route will you pick on the normal run? It seems its also possible to be platonic with everyone, but thats probably like picking the Suselle route.
>>722659182Kriselle > Krusie > Krusielle > who cares
>>722659182>He still thinks there's romance routes.
>>722659182Reminder that if you pick Susie, this entire dialog changes into "Susie make sure Kris is not close with Noelle and that him asking Susie out on a ferris wheel will mean something"while if you pick anything else this dialog is the usual "Susie making sure Noelle isn't with Kris so that she can go on a date with her and her past and future ferris wheel ride will confirm their lesbian thing"
>>722659387>lets create branching dialog just to hear 1 flavor lineI can bet there will be different scenarios on who goes with whome on a ferris wheel
>>722659441>>lets create branching dialog just to hear 1 flavor lineThat's unironically most of Deltarune's choices so far.
>>722657952She almost completely ignores Susie in the weird route ch 4 after both what YOU did to her and also the night Kris went to her and he felt like his old usual self.That "rampant homosexuality" is barely a mask that crumpled after a couple of tugs. Kris just didn't (or more likely couldn't cause you know the whole thing about the implication of something happening to him which WE might be connected to and all that that made him distant) spend enough time with her.
>>722659762Existence of Starwalker is a meaningless flavor change for some people and game changing for others. This can happen with implied couples.
>>722659390Is this delusion?
>>722660182its a fact and you have no answer to argue back
>>722660070Starwalker will matter, trust the process
>>722636979You can still find some.
>>722660486I mean it seems to be that you need to provide more evidence
What did she mean by this
>>722620330The happy ending is rape correcting her mom
>>722661156What’s there to correct? She’s the perfect woman
>>722660519This looks like it's based on some guy's aunt
Imagine
>>722660493>Literally just a statue in Chapter 4.
>>722661156She has a plan anon. Let's hear her out.
Reminder of the true endgame
>>722661092In the US, if an EMT manages to identify you, they're entitled to charge you hundreds of dollars just for showing up. If you decline a ride or their services it doesn't matter, they can still send you a bill if they know who you are to bill.Then if you see a doctor in the emergency room, they can bill you even if they don't help you. They can accuse you of lying about your symptoms or act like you're doing something to yourself that doesn't need a doctor's attention, and then send you a bill for hundreds or thousands. If your illness later kills you, you can only sue the doctor if you can afford the lawsuit or find a good pro bono laywer, frankly.It's a little unclear what she's trying to say, but being traumatized by the medical system in the US is kinda common. For the amount they charge and how useless the ER can be at its price, a lot of people would be terrified if they were told an ambulance was looking for them when they're healthy enough to run from it.
>>722661994She was probably thinking about Noelle during the whole time there
>relentless shipfaggotry and inane speculation>even after ravenously chewing through any semblance of "discussion" during like the first week of the latest episode releasei don't know where you find the autism to keep going, are you lot literally children with nothing better to do? at least try to be artfags and contribute something of original fucking worth to your posts
>>722662140Make me if you think you can
>>722662140Yeah say this every thread so you're just as autistic
>>722662140Feels weird that anons are siding with the jannies that wanted these threads to be deleted.
>>722662326Assuming you're not samefagging your own post. You're speaking to the same wannabe janny that types DELTATROON everythread.
>>722646845it's the people saying it not whether it's straight/lesbianyou would cum if she said this shit about kris
>>722662326cry me a river, we all know jannies are faggies already, the only notable detail is that they are cumguzzling gachaniggers rather than furries in denial, you are no more persecuted than any other $BIG_NEW_RELEASEbut i legit don't get how these threads can keep chugging along, guess i underestimate how much funny cartoon animals are like crack for autists, even while there's nothing to do than degenerate into relationship drama and i am fairly sure there isn't a mention of anything related to gameplay itt anyway
>>722663606>guess i underestimate how much funny cartoon animals are like crack for autists,It's more there's funny cartoon animals AND humans mixed together that triggers our autism.
>>722662892But she’d never say something like that. She says shit like >>722659390
>>722631939>I dont think toby has the balls to not give at least one ending that tries its hardest to give everyone an objectively happy conclusion after getting people invested in these characters over a 10 year development periodit's not going to be a happy ending for absolutely everyonesource: undertale
>>722652561But Noelle didn't have the same traumatic childhood as Sakura.>>722651809I don't have a domination fetish. I'm more of a tease rather than a tamer.
>>722640016considering the>noelle is andrew hussieand>kris is a girltheories, we're already there.
>>722661431Krusielle might be the only threesome that would work in canon. But Tony kind of shot down that idea with Elnino and Lanina
>>722640467it's still bad, there's just less people
>>722640631>Jockington sheds the tears
>>722665262>threesome with Kard fails because he’s fucking weird>Succeeds with Star walker because he’s cool
>>722662108nah, she only think about her when in touch with objects connected with her, like her couch or christmas products
>>722665439starwalker looking like a save point is representing YOU
>>722665483>Krismas >not connected to her and Christmas
>>722665439Starwalker is a joke character. It would imply choices in the game can change shipping dynamics between characters
>>722665653Not for Susie. Rudy and Carol are the ones who connect Kris with it.
>>722665439It's literally just for that one scene. He disappears afterwards.
>>722665826No YOURE a joke character
Who gives a shit about if the ship is canon or not? When did that start mattering? Back in my day, we'd mash two characters together like action figures and make endless fan content about it. Family members, mortal enemies, characters that have never even interacted with one another. But now we get thread after thread and argument after argument bitching and moaning about which ship will "get confirmed" or "has been disproven". Like you're all monks interpreting the gospel. It's sad and weak.>t. ride or die Kris/Dess shipper.
>>722667007I love that artist's idea of Dess. There should be more content where she's unstable hoe or a latent psychopath. Like, it would certainly explain Noelle's whole thing.
>>722667007>Who gives a shit about if the ship is canon or not? When did that start mattering? Back in my day, we'd mash two characters together like action figures and make endless fan content about it.2016fanonCHAD...
>>722620330>theydoes it matter?he got his pp wetthats all that matters, right
>>722667007That's Touhou fandom mentality and I'll die before I let that fully take root here.
>>722648248The armor is automatically applied. Her police cap even turns into a silver headband/tiara. As for weapons, she clearly missed the knight on the first few throws given the trail of them
>>722621472she's absolutely gonna turn the tables on us
>>722667469You got let your IMAGINATION flourish, dude.
What would happen if Undyne joined Kris in CHapter 1 instead of Susie? Would she be too OP? Would people ship her with Kris?
>>722620330Is it me or Noel is a bad friend to Chris?
>>722621472that would imply Suselle is fake in normal route which i hope is the case
>>722667007dess the molester is peak /ss/ content
>>722620330antlers means thats a man
What if we denied Noelles newfound infatuation with us and Kris?
>>722628203>TorturingWe literally just spooked her like in her creepy pastas. It's what she wanted and no harm was done.Well except to Berdly. But who gives a shit
>>722668715>aborting snowgrave after ch4 causes the worst possible outcomewould be kino honestly
>>722667469Oh yeah, God forbid the Deltarune community starts getting really autistic.
>>7226695932hu tards are on another level. Surely you've seen their threads every now and again, it's nothing but completely incomprehensible ritual posting. Like /dbs/ but without the intentional retardation.
>>722665262WRONG. Krusielle can only end in disaster. there is only one throuple that can work.
>>722647916>>722647653I think you're underestimating Susie's emotional maturity and the bond she's made with Kris. I don't think she's ever forgotten THIS moment. If the SOUL reveal happens before the betrayal reveal, she might just think we're the ones doing that shit. Even then, she's more likely to catch on that the Knight is forcing Kris to do stuff they don't like and direct her anger accordingly. Not to say that there wouldn't be doubt in the friendship in the wake of such a reveal, that's only natural, but Kris and Ralsei are the first friends she had THIS much faith in, and have been kicking ass together for a significant amount of time.
>>722669910Which is Frisk + Asriel + Chara btw.
>>722670316Kill yourself chara tranny
>>722669523What exactly would be "the worst possible outcome"?
>>722669804I wonder how long it will take for these threads to evolve into that. It's the fate of 4chan.
>>722670316
>>722670681For the characters? Everything leading up to the ThornRing scene. still fucking crazy that Toby just put that in his game
>>722671326?
>>722671326go away vermintuber
>>722670681That remains to be seen.
Why have we been getting such huge threads lately? Thought the anniversary dip was ove
>>722671653not sure, but I fear it won't last long
>>722670401Friskfag, actually.
>>722671653Honestly, no idea why. I hope it doesn't last for TOO long, though.
>>722634436Noelle clearly wanted it, she was just shocked because she expected to be the aggressor.
>>722634436You forgot the part where she asks for Me
>>722634436he will have sex with and marry his childhood friend and there's nothing that will prevent that
>>722672916Susie is right there tho
