Continues the awful boss design that kept getting worse and worse with each subsequent From game. You think BB or DS3 is bad? Well, ER is even more spam, more flashy, more anime-shounen-esque, more combos, more aggression, more jumps, more teleports, more delayed attacks.
Body types
>Open world games are objectively shit design outside of sandbox games.>souls combat should have evolved past R1 dodge by now>PvP encouragement removed almost entirely >there's a tranny in the game
boring open worlddont @ me
dark souls better
>>722622039We were almost free of souls tubers and then it showed up.
>>722622039Open world bloat and too much copy+pasted assets
>>722622039Everything after Lyendell is a chore.
The overworld is redundant. You should have been forced to explore it rather than mindlessly run on horseback past all the encounters. But the modern Souls fan doesn't think this is a bad thing because all they care about are the hype moments and aura farming of boss fights, and have only cared about that since Dark Souls 3. No Nu-Souls fan will ever see anything wrong with this formula, and so they are blind to the flaws of modern Souls games - save for the "flaws" that are builds that enable gameplay that isn't pressing circle to dodge.
lust provoking image etc etc
From slop
AHHHH ZNIGGABLART FORGAVE ME
>>722622039The open world
holy is nigh-useless in the base game because so many bosses, especially endgame ones, heavily resist holy
>>722622382>zanzibartBut that's the best part
who came up with the incestual rape plot? Was it George?
>>722622039Too many weapons, too little smithing stones
>>722622039the small caves are a slog on replays
>>722622489yeah the upgrade system is completely retarded. if you're not using a somber weapon you're gimping yourself
>>722622583whats a somber weapon
>>722622641A weapon that's mildly unhappy
Samey mini dungeons and a ridiculous amount of boss reuse. I hope they use all the money they made from it to fill the next one with actually interesting side content
>>722622039i only gave ER 30 hours of my time but the parts i enjoyed the most are when i entered areas like the castle or the floating place that weren't the open world so i guess the heckin "open world" aspect of it
>>722622641a weapon that's piss easy to upgrade compared to everything else for some reason
>>722622641Special weapons with unique ashes of war that can't be modified, but you can upgrade them to +10 way more easily than the regular weapons that go to +15
>>722622039SEX!!!!!!! i want it sex with her muchly please sir do you having any p*rnography of her for that i can feel god to?
>>722622039for a game of that scale and ambition, there's very little to do besides poking monsters with your sword and learning their demanding movesets to hit the dodge button at the right time.More tools and ways of interacting with the world would have been appropriate for such a rich setting, but souls template is too rigid for that.
>>722622039There is no roguelike mode with a single life where all weapons and items are randomized. That deducts at least 4 points from the score, so Elden Ring is a 5/10 game.
>>722623169It's +25 for regular weapons. You need 97 stones to max a regular vs only 10 somber stones for a somber weapon.
>>722622039We never meet Marika or any echo of her in gameMelina has poor integration into the overall story/lore
>>722622039it doesn't have sex
>>722622460I can imagine the fight and it would be kino
>>722623252Do people use AI to make these chimp-style posts?
>>722622039Requires no dexterity to play.Too slow.RTARD
No Rennala romance path
>>722622039outside of being really pretty, the open world is mostly worthless.
>>722622431>>722622198>>722622141>>722622315These
>>722623884this but rellana
Zero replay value.
Elden ring is on my shortlist for best game of all time and ive been playing since the 90s. The only real criticism I can think of is the same I have of bloodborne. Putting cool ass weapons behind 50 hours of game. If I want to do a new playthrough with that holy dual blade from the end of the dlc its basically impossible.
>>722623945I have over 800 hours in it across six different characters and everyone i know has a similar account.
>>722622460the zanzibart meme is actually funny as fuck because it IS how shit plays out most of the timepeople just pretend it isn't because a borderlands writer made the joke first
>>722623945How exactly does it have zero replay value, particularly compared to other souls games?
>>722622039>35Post the other 34.
>>722623898yo who dat mayne? she look like she kno how to take a niqqa diqq mayne
mostly uninteresting bosses, most egregious case of reused assets in the souls library, garbage open world, shitty chalice dungeonsall it did to move the series forward was add an actual jump
>reduce contentless area sizes by 30%>game fixed
I don't get to fight Marika. I don't want to just fight Radagon, I want to beat the queen bitch herself.SOTE also tried too hard to make her sympathetic, forgetting that she plunged the world into chaos when she shattered the Elden Ring because she was unhappy.She also tried to betray you by calling Godfrey back before the final fight.
>>722622039Creatively bankruptFromsoft peaked at Shadow tower
>>722624087The zanzibart meme is just taking a positive and trying to smear it so people think mysterious settings where you arent spoonfed a billion lines of exposition arent cool.
>>722622039input reading
>>722624184Wrong wrong and wrong E33 is the most egregious reuse of assets
This game mindbroke and dominated /v/ for longer than any game in 4chan history. 2022 was a glorious year to see all the doomer shitters get shattered.
>>722622039To grab a mushroom which is an ingredient in a grenade crafting you need to press Y.Why not just auto collect all ingredients? Same with the lost souls. Why there are some ingredients that can be run over? There are no vendors for arterial leaf etc. What's the point of "find 10 stones to upgrade somber weapon to the max" (which is often the best choice) vs "find 100 stones to upgrade normal weapon"? Why can't it be just 10 somber and 10 normal? Or 100 somber and 100 normal?
better physics, dynamic object collision and environments.Come the fuck on, open world ps3 games had more interactive objects and foliage. Like at least bend the fucking grass as I walk through it instead of being a fucking ps2 sprite. I dont know why, but it bothers me a lot how static the world is.
>>722622039It's the first From game where the DLC is worse in overall quality in comparison to the base game.Which isn't technically a criticism of Elden Ring itself, but it is/was a major disappointment.In my eyes SoTE was a huge failure
>>722622141> PvP encouragement removed almost entirelyGood. Pvpfags are fags
>>722622141>>there's a tranny in the gamethere is?
>>722624102The caves/dungeons are all way too samey. You'll end up skipping most of the optional content and only experiencing like 10% of the game every run. Most of the fun of the game is discovering things. Can't discover something twice.Meanwhile in other souls games you get 90% of the content even skipping optional areas in your journey from start to finish. You don't spend minutes of your time with nothing happening as you run from A to B on your horse.
>>722622039This model of Marika is noncanon and doesn't exist in game
From games are basically like Mario games where you don't need a story. They are pure gameplay experiences. In SMB, you go forward in 1-1 because the game the game starts and you have to go forward, and in Dark Souls or Elden Ring or whatever you go forward because the game starts and you have to go forward. That's all the story the games need, and also all the story the games have.
>>722622039Is it weird if i wish i looked EXACTLY like this? Also, Elden Ring's bosses are the shittiest fromsoft has ever created and i don't think it's rewarding enough to explore the open world.
>>722624591The player
>>722622039She looks like her pussy tastes divine
>>722624706I will never be a woman.
>>722622141Souls veteran here and I say it right here and right now: Souls games dont need PVP. Fucking tryhard invaders
>>722622641Can't even find a list of "somber weapons".
>>722624539>>722625001Invasions and pvp is what makes the game unique. The bosses and areas were never difficult or interesting. Having an unknown entity is what makes the game what it is. Remove pvp and it's just Zelda for nintendo adults.
Most of the open world is completely pointless after your first playthroughWhy go into a tomb when you know your reward for it will be some spirit ass or a weapon you have no use for?Its not necessarily bad design, but by making everything optional, you give very little reason to engage with 90% of the content unless stuff for your build is located there.Again, mostly an issue with second playthroughs, but souls games are among the few genres where doing multiple runs is extremely common
>>722622039once you're late in the game and your build is pretty much solidified going into the smaller dungeons gets less and less worth it as the odds of you finding something you want to or even can use decrease significantlythe crypts aren't very distinct from one-another, I can only distinctly remember the one that gaslights you and the two with the instant death carts on slopesMalenia
>>722624176christy marksshe's kinda like angela white in that she's super hot but all her scenes are ass
>>722625001Invasions are the only dynamic aspect in Souls games. Elden Ring fucked up badly by making them opt-in with an item
>>722622039the dungeons are disappointingly similar with lame rewardsthey aren't BoTW-tiers of bad but they could've been so much betteraside from that pretty great game
>>722622039Shit lore because Miyazaki is a retard who thinks that Vaati and company will hypnotize fans into thinking there is a meaningful story so Miyazaki doesn't have to write one.Shit enemy design because Miyazaki is scared of making the combat more complex while simultaneously scared of his game being too easy.Shit open world. There are no villages, no interesting puzzles, no traversal mechanics worth a damn, it's just a fucking Souls game with the content stretched out incredibly thin because they have to fill all that space and don't have enough content to do it. Worse is that when they don't put in any of the basics of open world design like villages, the quest of becoming king of the world feels retarded because there is nothing for you to rule. I guess you just sit in the cuck chair and stare at hollows for all eternity.
>>722624641>From games are basically like Mario games where you don't need a storyEat shit, rescuing a princess is a thousand times better motivation for Mario doing the shit he does than anything From has given us since Demon's Souls.
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=15005330Jesus Christ
>>722625593>dark_skinned_maleGood morning, saars
>>722624087Sure, if you're an irony-poisoned bitter cunt or a retarded subhuman who needs the plot of everything spelled out like a children's book.
>>722622039FromSoftware makes great action-RPG games like Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3, and Sekiro. Elden Ring tries a big open world. But it has big problems with tech issues, uneven difficulty, reused content, and weak multiplayer. After 150+ hours in the base game and DLC, it feels less polished than the older ones.On PC, the game runs poorly even today. It stutters a lot, drops frames, and crashes often. This happens on strong setups like an RTX 4070 with an i7-13700K and 32GB RAM. Shader problems make travel jerky. No DLSS or good FSR means you need fan fixes, like editing files or changing CPU settings. Dark Souls 3 ran smooth on old hardware. Here, bugs break the fun of exploring the big Lands Between.Difficulty feels off and unfair at times. Bloodborne teaches you with fast fights you can learn. Sekiro rewards perfect timing. In Elden Ring, the open map mixes easy and hard parts badly. Bosses like Margit block new players early. But you can overlevel in side areas and skip the challenge. The DLC makes it worse with super strong enemies that need grinding for Scadutree items. It turns skill into boring repeats. Summons help, but they make solo play less special.The content repeats too much. The world looks pretty with gold fields and old ruins. But it copies a lot from Dark Souls 3—same moves, enemies, and dungeon types. Many caves and tombs feel the same. Big areas are empty, with long rides and little to find. The story comes in bits from items and hidden talks, but the open setup makes it hard to follow without guides. Bloodborne’s city feels connected and scary. Here, 60 hours for the main story plus 40 for DLC drags on with filler.Multiplayer doesn’t work well. Invasions in Dark Souls were exciting chases. Now, the big map makes them laggy fights with bad matches and strong builds like bleed weapons. Co-op glitches or drops out. Patches help a bit, but it’s not as fun or fair.
>>722625001TRVKEAdd back in a pause featureRemove rollingRemove soft capsGive non ER Soulsborne games area BGMsI fixed all of Miyazakis retardation in a few changes
>>722622039Dungeon bosses needed more variety.
>>722625842Nah, keep rolling, but add the Lies of P deflect as an optionAlso that music better be good
>>722622039No fucking story and you can't really restore order to the world.It's Bleak like all from soft souls games.
>>722626140Based lorelet, ignorant to the overarching theme and of hope.
>>722626276Nigga...Shut the fuck up I'm 100% correct.You just have low standardsYou just have low expectations.
>>722622039As someone who loves Elden Ring, the damage numbers in the late-game are way too high. Not just on the enemy's side, either; the super-high health pools force you to boost up your damage so high that PvP becomes an unbalanced mess, revolving around one or two-shotting enemies before they can heal.
>>722622039upgrade system sucks
>input reading>more thrash attacks with little wind up>even more shove attacks with no wind up at all, but still take half your HP >input reading>horse further encourages you to run away all the time>quests are even more obtuse, and now theyre in an open world>retarded lore>bosses are too hard solo, too easy with a summon>input reading>the most significant battle in the game was Malenia trying to kill Radahn so that his 1000 year old shota brother could hypnotize and marry him
>>722622039Boring open world. Would be better without it
>>722623671But she's the penultimate boss in the main game
>>722624409I had that mapped to my RT, so I could just drive-by pick up everything. Having my attacks be on the right bumper and trigger just felt weird.
Incomplete plot lines with Melina. The leveling maiden isn't as compelling in Elden Ring.
Could this be a dog?
>>722625001Unless you use the taunter's tongue, every invader is joining at a disadvantage since you already have someone else to cover your ass.
the lategame bosses get limiting in a way, you start being unable to do a lot of the cool ashes, close range slow spells, setups/combos, etc because bosses get too fast and spergy. Except maybe eventually you do find a way to use them because turns out they have 1-2 attacks that are pathetically weak, easy to dodge and slow for them to recover from when all the other 10 attacks are directly strongersome craftable consumables are way too expensive or scarce, if not overly limited per playthrough, and then you have people cheating infinite quantities of them and spamming them in PVP
>>722628814It was bizarre how little she appeared in the plot. I think she said more about Boc than anybody else in the game. Even worse, she doesn't even show up to suck you off after sparing her and purifying yourself of the frenzy.
Sellen did not give me a footjob
>>722629305I wish there were more videos like the one of Sellen being fucked by a ghost sword as punishment
>>722625842 Rolling is one of the few mechanics that still feels good, don't take it out just because your Boomer instincts want slower gameplay again. Also soft caps at least give builds identity instead of everyone just min-maxing for eternity. But yeah, bring on area BGMs-walking into a Legacy Dungeon with silence is weird when you know every other boss is gonna screech violin strings into your spine.
>>722622039Reused bossesThe game has like 160+ boss encounters yet only a measly 8 (renala, radahn, rykard, fire giant, malekith, malenia, placidusax and the final fight) don't repeat. The worst is even important named lore character fights one would expect to be unique in the story like godrick, mohg, etc. are reused. People bitched about fighting the asylum demon 3 times in dark souls but this is like finding a second artorias in a random cave.
The fact that the final boss randomly has 50% less damage taken by faith.
>>722629783DS2 DLCs were like this, except EVERYTHING in them have massive magic resistance. They resist all magic shit such as sorceries, but nothing from melee, even if it's the same element (e.g. magic, lightning etc).
i'm going to guess this is a long thread of>literally any kind of criticism>DOESN'T COUNT / FILTERED / what about OTHER GAMEover and over
>>722629783I used a sacred katana and a brass shield for most of the game, but so many bosses heavily resisting faith got me to switch it up with two-handing the scalesword. There's only so many times I could take tree spirits/avatars only taking chip damage
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>>722630080Nope. Just most posts haven't gotten replies.
>>722622039She doesn't look like this in-game. To the trash.
>>722629783>>722630096Im in the middle of my first playthrough using faith right now, i hope im not screwedAt least i have multiple weapons ft. Fire as an option. Most notably the Black Flame Tornado seems to melt everything. But im afraid of there being more bosses like maliketh with almost no good chance to use it, though malikeths hp was pretty low so i just poked him to death
>>722625001Souls veteran here, I miss random invasions, especially when the game would fuck up and fail to notify you and you just encounter this other guy who was in your world unbeknownst to you, got my blood runningI wish there were a way to re-enable them without putting yourself at a disadvantage, a toggle would be nice, or maybe make it so rune arcs act like humanities, but then of course you'd need to make them more common, idk, I just hate how Elden Ring handles invasions
>>722631762Between holy and fire, I had pretty much all my bases covered. It helps both scale off faith
>>722622039The world is bleak and miserable and not somewhere I would ever want to live in. For that reason it is not comfy.
The bosses aren't fun. SOTE was downright absurd with how frustrating all the boss fights were.
Ranni is by far the best NPC to come out of this game. She's such an absolute cutie.
>>722632648How so?
>>722622039Lack of world interactivity. Camera controls that still are garbage. Too many reused bosses. Too many mediocre key areas, Castle Redmane, Carian Manor, and Castle Sol are all pretty shit compared to what you'd expect. >>722622134You'd have to be a 50 year old geezer with rotted out old man synapses to want more DS1 slugs than Elden Ring bosses that actually do things.
>>722622141>>722622198>>722622315Open world >>> linearity or DS1's awkward half-assed mix.
>>722633418Fuck you you ADHD riddled retard.
>>722633560DS1 is open world, fucking idiot.>>722633418Based schizo.
>>722622489The smithing stone system is unforgivably terrible. Absolutely zero justification for such an asinine collectathon mechanic for a major aspect of the game's combat.
>>722625759Or you can try to just write a normal story instead of hiding some bits that don't connect to anything on random itens. But i understand that shitty ecelebs need to earn a living with theyr hours long essay about the mistery of zamzibart underwear.
>>722633567Oh no, the game expects you to play it!If only you could waddle around bosses that have 3 attacks instead!
>>722625182>The bosses and areas were never difficult or interesting>pvp fag once again shows he doesn't actually like souls games
>>722624184Adding a jump button was unironically the best part of Elden Ring. Beyond everything else, being able to jump over random obstacles or shit that gets you stuck on it on the floor improves the gameplay experience immeasurably. I almost can't go back to older Souls games now, because of how nice it is to have a normal movement system for once.
>>722622039DLC/late game becomes way too defensive relative to the speed/damage bosses output. Next game should remove the action queue and have less input delay at the very least. And if you're going to continue with the spam bosses, stamina needs a rework. I think Sekiro did it best where your defense is also your offense. Open world segments were also pretty boring after a while, you are just head down and outlining every rock wall for another catacomb/cave. DLC was a bit better in this regard with less super hidden trivial shit. Also the overworld itself just isn't fun. Torrent isn't effective to fight with, and you can just completely skip around with no real threat. Its not engaging. And the world design from a travel standpoint also sort of takes you out of it. A lot harder to do in most open worlds, but the map shouldn't be forcing you to fast travel so much. There should be more connected areas like those that popularized the series in the first place.
>>722622039Still jank after all these year. Open world fucking sucks. Too long for its own good. Half the game is empty sandbox with nothing to do. Also unfinished story.
>>722625759All Souls games have bullshit stories that are cobbled together at the last minute out of gum scraped from under the seat and crusty old salaryman semen. Elden Ring is even a special case because 1.0 was released with a ton of major plot elements that were either cut or changed heavily in the Day 1 patch, so you can see how much of the game was shuffled around even up to the last minute. Trying to read the tea leaves for a coherent story or philosophy is pointless. Because it isn't there.
>>722622039You can't fuck marika at the end.
>>722625825>On PC, the game runs poorly even today. It stutters a lot, drops frames, and crashes often. This happens on strong setups like an RTX 4070 with an i7-13700K and 32GB RAM. Shader problems make travel jerky. No DLSS or good FSR means you need fan fixes, like editing files or changing CPU settings. Dark Souls 3 ran smooth on old hardware. Here, bugs break the fun of exploring the big Lands Between.I'm playing the game on a 10 year old potato and I have almost zero performance issues. Only the Wickermen in the DLC give me any issues, and that is only once in a great while. Either your set up is fucked, or something else is causing a problem.But I'm playing on a i7 4790k and a GTX 1070 and have experienced basically no performance problems nor crashes.
>>722622039Just like all Souls games it is simply not fun
>>722622039Melina is utterly wasted.Some Legacy Dungeons are very disapointed; mainly Hogwarts, Belurat and Farum Azula. And the small bite-sized tombs don't make up for it for the most part.The whole main story is basically a gigantic woman moment.The story of the DLC was weak. I would rather it had focused in the early days of Marika than the ascent of Miquella, who ended up being a boring character and final boss.
>>722634405I find it fun. Fun is subjective. Eating your mother's asshole is fun too, that's why everyone in the neighborhood does it.
>>722624229>taking a positiveIt's not really a positive and I don't know why anyone thinks it is. It's filly. Someone wrote random grafiti on the screen, and people are standing around gibberish lines and thinking "OH I BET THIS LOOKS LIKE THE MONA LISA IF YOU COMPLETE THEM! THIS IS SO GOOD!"
>>722632648>People find this cutelmao
>>722628814>>722629228Its honestly incredible how little FromSoft has learned about doing the level up girl right. Melina should have appeared every time you rested at a bonfire, at the very least. And could have easily had twice the amount of dialog. Even just telling you some shit about the various regions that you're in for flavor.Demon's Souls got a lot of the stuff with the Maiden in Black right, DS2 screwed up a bit with Bearer Seek Seek Lest, because the dialog should have just played in the background of the level up menu. Bloodborne's Doll had some of the same problems, but at least had a bunch of little easter eggs put in. DS3's was probably the best in the modern era. The most basic part of the level up girl is that she has to be there for you to start waifufagging about. But of course the actual reason is that Ranni was meant to be the waifu over all other characters. Which is why she has basically an entire second plot dedicated just to her. And if Melina had too much screentime that would screw with Ranni's presence.
>>722622039that she doesnt actually look like that
>>722634701my penis disagrees respectfully with you
>>722629121It is a bit annoying that most of the cool ashes of war or magic are useless in hard fights and you're stuck with impaling thrust or giant hunt or spamming basic comet and fireballs for most of the game. Perhaps more hyperarmor on those abilities?
>>722631762Faith casting is great, because you have easy access to basically every damage type in the game. Faith/Dex probably is the best for getting you around any resistance, because you can use both Flame and Lightning infusions.
>>722622039uhhh you don't HAVE to explore every cave that all look the same
>>722622134came to post this. feels like the devs thought they had to make every boss fight wilder and "cooler" than the last one. it became a bastardization of what came before it. sure, the fights look flashy under the massive piles of effects and pretty lights, but it feels dogshit to play. i ended up enjoying the more simplistic bosses in elden ring, even if they were more difficult. for the simple fact that it felt like in that moment the game respected me.the less we talk about the fucking root worm boss, the better
>>722634636Yes
My biggest gripe with it is there's so many storylines that don't feel connected at all. There's a central plot, sure, but everything else just feels random and hastily stiched in. The catacombs? The celestial beings? The underground? It's an ambitious game I give you, but I would have highly preferred a more focused directio similar to the Souls, Bloodborne, or Sekiro. Another complaint is I never really understood the intention or motivation of the player tarnished, or any tarnished for that matter. Why is the tarnished there? There's no strong pull like the other's in the series. I get they were called or pulled, but I can't see a large motivating force to become the consort.
>>722632648Stop liking evil women.
>>722634732what are you disagreeing with? its fact. this model of marika got popularized because of some patreon 3d porn walk animation, its not how she actually looks like in the actual game
>>722635078agree to disagree
>>722630080Hype is long over so ignorant trenchasers dont care to defend it anymore.
>>722622039Isn't there a male in there?
>The open world space is too big and has too much empty space that either has nothing worth exploring or useless materials for the crafting system nobody uses>at the same time the devs put in too many fast travel points that are needlessly close together. Some are literally within a minutes walk from each other.>Modifying armor was a good idea but all it does in-game is slightly reduce weight from certain chest pieces by removing a fucking cape>By far the worst multiplayer in the series. No covenants, no rewards for invading, same shitty netcode and restricting players to one specific area goes against the concept of a large, seamless open world. >Loads of reused enemies and bosses both from this game and previous games like the multiple golem bosses or tree guardians all being headless asylum demons with the exact same attack patterns>4 shitty endings that are just the same ending with a different color filter>>722624087Including the DLC there's like 12 separate instances of characters saying "x....forgive me" when dying. Miyazaki unintentionally proving some borderlands faggot right makes this all the more pathetic.
>>722625001I like being invaded. I don't take the game seriously enough to get pissy when I get killed so the invaders are exciting.
>>722622446Exaggerated across the entire game, but yeah there's no reason to use Holy in endgame. It's not really an issue because you can use Flame Art instead and Flaming Strike or Flame Skewer are better than Sacred Blade anyway.
>>722634041The queueing is really annoying. With how quick the enemies are and how fast you have to be to react, the input buffer should be almost totally eliminated. There's no reason to hold my L2 press after I've already mashed the roll button when I can see Malenia coming to fuck me up the ass at 100mph.
>>722622039Roll spam is stupid and after experimenting with Sekiro and Bloodborne, Fromsoft should not have gone back to it as the default defensive move
>>722634409The Hogwarts library doors to Rennala should have required a key that you could only get after doing the rooftop section. As-is, the only reason to do the rooftops is for loot that most players never will use.
>>722635015The metanarrative is that if you stop trying to become the Elden Lord and stop playing, you'll lose your grace and become like the other aimless NPCs.
>>722622039replaying it rn knowing every locations and it kinda feel like being alone lost in a huge haunted amusement parkstill discovering stuff in stormveil after spending nights clearing every roof and every mob tho
>>722637008Sounds like you win by just never playing the game in the first place.
>>722622039For a game that's "skill based," it's entire claim to difficulty is 'poke enemies, run back, save/upgrade, repeat.' A few (1/100,000) are gluttons for naked/underleveled runs and I tip my fedora to them, but the vast majority of fans are cowards and wageslaves (like those pitiful chinese manufacturing jobs) masquerading as gamers. A significant reason for this is the fundamental animation system that's inflexible enough to allow freedom of movement - and JP LOVES that shit; no difference from MGS2 in 2001. Fucking INNOVATE you nips!
>>722622039Low replayability. Most dungeons dont have anything worthwhile to pickup, once the novelty of beating the dungeon is gone.
>>722622039
>>722625182>Remove pvp and it's just Zelda for nintendo adultsAnd what's wrong with this ?
>>722640012It threatens PvPfags; a dying species.
>>722622039Dark Souls 4
>>722640202PvPfags have no one to blame but themselves.
>>722634636Yes. I like it when she gloats about her evil schemes and tries to keep her plans vague to sound tool.
>>722633418I would love for them to go back to bloodborne/ds3 levels of boss complexity, but with ds1 style interconnected world
>>722622141ds1 had a tranny too.
>>722622039I feel like it's far too easy to trivialize the game if I get frustrated with something. I have to force myself to not take the easy way out and equip a busted weapon or magic whenever I'm fighting a bullshit boss monster. Still a 9/10 game but that is a problem that I have.
>>722632648i sincerely wish ranni worshipping pedophiles would die already
>>722640719She's the pedophile, if anything. She was like 10 feet tall when she was alive and is probably hundreds, if not thousands, of years old. We're literally half her original height and have only been alive again for like weeks or months.
>>722640841>it's another 'no officer you don't understand she's actually 500 years old!' episodeFromggers...
>>722622039Mountaintops and Consecrated Snowfield are boring and barren areas that they could've cut without losing anything major. Honestly I think I would have a better impression of the game if it ended at Leyndell because Farum Azula isn't anything great either. I like Haligtree but you could put that somewhere else.
>>722622039Boring open world with nothing to do in it besides combat
No sex.
>>722622198based
>>722622039Big empty open world filled with reused bosses.
>>722622039for black men
>>722622039Same problem as DS3: the bosses are designed for twitch streamers to rage at above all else
>>722635841>nothing worth exploringYou don't need a reward, it's the exploration itself that is worth it. >useless materials for the crafting system nobody usesA lot of people use it. It's not a fault of the game you didn't see the value, but being able to make objects when you need them, especially with a world as open as this one, and these tools being incredibly effective against a lot of enemies. >too many fast travel pointsLiterally how does this detract from the game itself. Either don't tag them or don't go there.>worst multiplayerAgain, just because it doesn't give you a physical reward doesn't mean it's bad. It's by far the most fun I've ever had in the series in terms of PvP. PvP is it's own reward with how unique it is and how much it can change your experience going through an area.>reused enemiesThis game literally has more variety than any other game out there. So what they "reuse" an enemy from a previous entry. What sequel doesn't? It's stupid to just throw out an amazing enemy just because the player might have seen it before. Which then you got to consider that it might be somebody's first experience playing a Soulsborne game, so they wouldn't even see this unique enemy.>4 shitty endingsSo, you don't bother with the lore. Doesn't mean it's "shitty", just means you didn't pay attention.
>>722641251fucking idiotNo shit it has combat as its focus. it does have puzzles and platforming if you bothered to explore
Normally I hate open world games, and I put off playing Elden Ring for a long time specifically because it was open world. Once I finally played it, I realized it was the exact thing the formula was missing. It's nice to go back and forth between tense, high-stakes, difficult dungeon crawls and casually poking around the open world. Does wonders for the pacing. It helps that it's probably the most visually impressive video game world ever made. It commits to the "See that mountain? You can climb it" bit way harder than Skyrom or basically any other open world game, too.>t. been playing Fromslop religiously since PTDE
>>722624539>>722625001if you don't like invasions you are quite simply not a real souls fan, full stopthey serve two purposes, firstly in gameplay to offer unlimited replayability and give an actual point to the ridiculously large assortment of weapons and silly hats. it gives you something to do once you beat the game, and also gives a reason to replay the game. and secondly in narrative, to represent the dark and self-serving side of mankind that emerges in times of hardship (with co-op phantoms representing goodness and cooperation to overcome the adversity)if you don't see this as necessary to the experience then you miss the point of souls games and you are almost definitely just buttblasted that you got raped by a twink in the undead parish
>>722622039No FMV sex scene with Marika
>>722641727Trying too hard.
>>722641727I agree that PvP is a big pillar of the games and that it's a bit tragic they limited it so much with ER, but let's be reasonable here. Twinking in DS1 was ass, let's not pretend it was fun or fair for anyone involved. No amount of skilled play can make up for the fact that the invader has a fully upgraded lighning weapon and fully upgraded armor. It's good that they've been finding ways to reign that shit in.
>>722641887just parry the twink?
>>722622039Since the game is intent on minimizing the PvP aspect to let players have comfortable adventures in peace, the devs should have gone all the way and properly implemented seamless co-op. Bunch of modders could do it, so why not Fromsoft?Also, bosses being recycled really took away from their impact. I get that it feels like waste if players will only fight Mogh, Astel or Goldrick only once, but them randomly popping up elsewhere feels really lame.
>>722642085The Mogh and Goldfrey projections are fine because they make sense canonically. The Mogh one is even hinted at as being an illusion because it's immune to bleed and poison. Morgot is shown to use illusions and projections to dissuade attempts on the capitol, and it makes perfect sense why he'd put those ones as guardians in those spots (in the sewers it might even be Mogh pitching in to help his bro because he understands The Three Fingers could fuck up his whole dynasty plan).The Godrick and Astel rematches were kinda wack, though, yeah.
>>722642350Yeah, thinking of it more, Mogh does make sense, and Goldfrey isn't bad either. Morgott is also something I'm fine with.But Godrick and Astel getting random re-fights is just bleh.
>>722628814There was too little of her in the game for “our” maiden, and it's not like she's doing her own thing in parallel with us, just following along. We should have given the player the ability to punish her for being lazy and have her come to every grace and hold our hand.
>>722622446True, but it's easy mode in the dlc
>>722622039The continuation of the roll catch meta from dark souls 3. They even designed the bosses with egregious amount of input detection so they too could roll catch. This led to the rollslop meme, because the roll is no longer effective and funnels all offensive builds into roll catching. They had a singule ash of war, Bloodhound step as the prime counter to roll catch meta in the beginning and nerfed it because invaders complained for months that it ruined their fun and hosts with BHS would draw the fight out for 30 mins chugging blue pots and scooting away. It wasn't rolling that ruined Dark Souls, it was roll catching.
>>722622039Still not as good as ds1
>>722641428>Literally how does this detract from the game itself. Because it's completely arbitrary to place two points close together when it doesn't cut down on travel time at all. If the devs don't want players to use them they shouldn't have put them there in the first place. >Again, just because it doesn't give you a physical reward doesn't mean it's bad.It is bad because past games DID reward you with engaging with the multiplayer and ER doesn't. It has, objectively speaking, less multiplayer content than every previous souls game and especially dark souls 2. And again locking players into a relatively tiny area of the world map for invasions where you can't use your horse was stupid. Why bother having horse combat if you can't use it in pvp?>So, you don't bother with the lore. Doesn't mean it's "shitty", just means you didn't pay attention.Pardon me for not watching some faggot youtuber gush over japanese item descriptions but it wouldn't change the fact that 4 of these endings are the EXACT SAME but with a palette swap and a line change stating that you are now the lord of poo instead of the lord of corpsefuckers. >This game literally has more variety than any other game out there.You're an idiot>It's stupid to just throw out an amazing enemyNone of the enemies or bosses that were reused were "amazing". I guarantee not a single person looked at that crab in DS3 and thought "wow that was amazing! I hope fromsoft's next game has that but with a slight texture upscale and no new attacks!"
>>722622039Post a single real image of Marika. You wouldn't even be able to recognize if a criticism is real or not because you haven't played the frickin' game.
>>722622039it frontloads all the fun stuff so you're already too far in to refund it by the time you realize the bosses are shit and the open world is boring
>>722622039that game punishes you for not going either pure spellcaster or pure unga by endgame. Any kind of hybrid build is severely underpowered.
>>722622039For a moment it really tricked me into thinking that Miyazaki had come up with a coherent plot, maybe tard wrangled by GRRM. That was the middle of the game when Ranni's quest turned out surprisingly straightforward. What a fool I was. He'll never change.
>>722622039people (more like couple of 4chan contrarian cuckolds) hate on the open world but realistically I doubt many people would want to return to the dark souls "semi-open world" if another fromsoft soulslike game released.
>>722622134The actual issue with flashy bosses is that you're still playing a hollow, for the most part. Your character looks like he barely knows how to use his sword let alone move in the armor while the bosses have all sorts of anime comboes to pull out their asses. Even if you play well, it doesn't feel flashy or "skillful." This is fine in the older games, where the bosses were crazy and also flailed about, but not in ER. Compare this to other difficult action games, where when played well, you look like you're completely styling on the boss like he's a noob.
>>722634880At the end of the day I think I liked only two bosses in the game, the elden beast and placidusax. The Elden Beast is just a beatiful fight with a good rhythm, and Placidusax is simply epic.
>>722646293However, lies of pee wasn't bad
>>722622039>Name a single real criticism of elden ringI'm the only person in this thread who actually likes Elden Ring, so all my criticisms that I'm going to list are true: -The upgrading/smithing stone system is bad and annoying. There's too few stones, you can't affix them with *elements, they should have just kept the old system from Dark Souls. *Nightreign really sold me that the weapons SHOULD be able to hold elements. -The open world is kind of boring and annoying. It isn't even necessarily an "open world", since there's a (mostly) intended linear path to progression and the "Legacy Dungeons" are just better. Running, jumping, horsing, are all good ideas though.-They removed the factions, both the pve and the pvp ones. I realize in some capacity it must have simply been easier to "give up on them" then try to make them work: the wide open world of the game makes it difficult to create designated choke points for constant pve factions, or to make pvp arenas. -They removed pyromancy. Who even does that? What kind of person just removes pyromancy? In this day and age? Miyazaki put nearly FIVE poisons swamps in this game and ZERO pyromancy.
>>722622134Yeah, this is my only major issue with the game. Jokes aside all those webms posted showing different bosses and mobs doing input reading and other retarded attacks and animations absolutely show the overall boss design that was behind the whole game: a light show to distract you from the actual process of learning a boss due to how dogshit it is in this game. And to those who say skill issue.... don't bother. It is an issue and it's not player related, it's on FS's side. They proved they can make a game like Sekiro și it's possible to make good and fun combat.
>>722647631Weapons can have elements via ashes of war. The rest is more or less true.
>>722623898It's a crime to have such a gorgeous body and star in shit
>>722622134>You think BB or DS3 is bad?no
>>722646293I just want a smaller scale game where riding the horse isn't a huge chunk of your playtimeJust take ER, remove the filler stuff (like all the catacombs and erdtree avatars) and make things much closer together, and it would be perfect
>>722622039The DLC was about a tranny and not Godwyn.
>>722647631>-They removed pyromancy. Who even does that? What kind of person just removes pyromancy?It wasn't a thing in Demon's Souls either, just sorceries and miracles
>>722624057forcing yourself through the exact same shit over and over again using slightly different weapons you couldve used at any point isnt replay value. Theres no single facet of the game that changes whatsoever based on whether you shot something with a bow or used magic or hit it with a big weapon.
>>722648860I want a large scale game where the only thing im doing isnt literally just riding to the next magically insane enemy that wants to kill me on sight for no given reason. The illusion of adventure and fantasy falls apart immediately upon realising that every single souls game is a fuckshit designed map with enemies on it that you wander into- this may or may not be fun for 1 or 2 games but when every single last game is the same premise with very little variation other than the most recent entry adding more space i start to lose all interest in any further entries
>>722622039>Name a single real criticism of elden ringThe fact that the characters don't actually look like that. That would've made it a 10/10 game.
>>722649176Play Sekiro, it's a completely different formula, you've got an actual story with NPC's and cutscenes, no RPG mechanics to annoy you, infinite stamina, no corpse runs etc, it's the GOAT
>>722622141>>souls combat should have evolved past R1 dodge by nowIt has. You can tell it has because of all of the retards that complain on /v/ that the game's too hard when they play it like Dark Souls 1 by spamming R1 and dodging.The game has plenty of incentive to do different attack types, to use ashes of war, to use defensive abilities other than dodging, etc. It's just that a lot of players are too stupid or stubborn to use them.
>>722649394>plenty of incentiveno it doesnt
>>722649394Dude, shut up, you can spam jump attacks the whole game and it's the most optimal by far because your weapon speed no longer matters, only the damage and poise damage.Braindead game.
>>722631762If a boss resists holy, there's a really high chance it's weak to fire. Faith is honestly and unironically the best stat in Elden Ring. It has the widest selection of damage types, a lot of good unique weapons, really good ashes of war, the best spell selection/variety, the best buffs, and can easily hybridize with any other stat. The people that complain about bosses resisting holy grossly overexaggerate the problem. A lot of major bosses do resist holy, but if it's a problem (which for a lot of them it likely won't be), you can just ream them with Destined Death, fire, or lightning.
>>722622039Cant romance your summon
>>722622039May we have some cosplays, preferably someone in the nude?
>>722622485George only made the Unspeakable Poopoo Caca man, inspired from the Daenerys diarrhea text...
>>722622039NPC bosses are shit and need to fuck off
>>722649442R1 is probably the weakest attack type. Like >>722649493 mentioned, jumping attacks are outrageous, and on top of that the stagger system heavily encourages you to use charged heavies because you can just stunlock bosses with them. Ashes of War are sickeningly overpowered and you can use them to carry yourself through the game. For defensive abilities, there are plenty of moves that are specifically designed to be jumped (which has shorter recovery than dodging and allows you to counter with a jumping attack, or strafed (no recovery time). On top of that, blocking is incredibly strong in ER and guard impacts do a shitload of stagger and poise damage. Specific enemies get fucked over harder by certain moves, like dogs and birds being trivialized by guard impacts, which is at least a token attempt at incentivizing not just using the same move on every enemy.There's absolutely a ton of reason to use all of the tools they added to the game besides R1 attacks and dodge-rolls. Pretending there isn't is retarded. I would in fact say the actual flaw you could say for this argument is that R1 spam is total dogshit because they made the other options too strong. Ashes of War, jumping attacks, and charged heavies are overpowered.
>>722647631Pyromancy was turned into giants flame and black flame, so its still there in function if not spirit.Your point on the open world is good tho, Elden ring really is just a really wide linear game
>>722650147>faith gets lightning, fire, and holy, and magic>intelligence gets magicTell me how this is far.
>>722650364INT spells are much more spammy and can be used in place of a weapon, while you can't really do that on a FTH buildthere you go
>>722622039>dozens of copy pasted caves/tombs/mines>normal enemies as "bosses">generic items as "rewards"
>>722650489the holy discus spell is VERY spammable and can even hit twice per cast. if you wear the FP regen talisman from the DLC, it's practically a free cast.
These games are like jeet attempts at Diablo and failing every time.
>>722649854all that shit only to justify how fucking poorly made the game is with how easy it is to cheese everything
>>722650749>>the game hasn't evolved past R1 and dodge>but there's a bunch of reasons to use all of the other moves they've added where specific enemies are countered by specific moves>>you're just showing how poorly made the game is because you can cheese it with all of those optionsIt's okay to just dislike the game. You don't need to be a niggerfaggot that invents reasons why it's actually poorly-designed and why the people that like it are wrong.
>>722640969Yeah I was done with ER by that point, I just wanted it to end.
>>722640969The only people who claim this are shitters and secondaries who hate obtaining loot and facing powerful enemies Godskin Duo in that regard was prime shitter filter even better than O&S
>>722651283it has notsure, it "allows" more tools, but its all irrelevant. it never comes naturally, its all forced by the player to use something else, when R1 and dodge is still the main way. it doesn't matter if jump is "more effective", when rolling still gets the job done with flying colours. half the shit you can do in the game isn't even possible against enemies, and its trial and error to find it out.the combat is on the same shitty level as Skyrim. yeah, sure, i can cast frostbite to lower his stamina... or just use flames to kill him quicker, negating the need of lowering their stamina.
I played the game around new years 2023 for about two weeks, 66 hour playthrough I think, thought it was great but a bit too boss attack heavy.played it again a week later, quicker 23 hour playthrough.took a break until a month ago, got the sudden urge to play it again, massive slow-ish playthrough where I did as much as I could guideless, jumped into the DLC before Godfrey/hoarah/elden beast, 77 hour playthrough in the end and I loved the DLC, I approached it wrong at first because Rellana killed me the most, the rest of the bosses weren't too bad and somehow I got Radahn on the 6th or 7th try, convinced it was going be like a 50 attempt boss.all in all I love the game, it's great, the side content needed to be better though, dungeons and caves were just mediocre and not worth doing unless a weapon or item you need for a build is in there.npc questlines were nice, I appreciate the work required for the different endings, first ending was accidentally ranni, this time it was Fia's ending.I'll definitely play it again some day, the length of the game and the overworld itself (which I like exploring mostly) definitely reduces my want to instantly replay it.I'd put my ranking of the series someting like this.DS1>Sekiro>Bloodborne>ER>DeS>DS3>DS2bear in mind the gaps between DeS and DS3 are not comparatively similar to the gap between ds3 and ds2, I don't think ds3 is particularly amazing or anything but I just don't like ds2 very much
>>722652276this time around I really took my time reading all of the item descriptions and actually listening to NPC's, I don't believe the word immersion is used correctly in gaming media in general nowadays and the real meaning has been completely lost, for example being able to chop wood with an axe for my lumbermill realistically isn't immersive, but becoming somewhat invested in the traversal of a world that comes alive with the lore given to me and the rest I have to find, alongside covenant investment DOES "immerse" me, so yes, I quite enjoy the game, it's no peak of any genre but it's an impressively large, interesting, and generally fun experience.
>>722652257Post your own gameplay
>>722622039You can't have lovey DOVEY Aryan babymaking sex with Melina. Serious deal-breaker and honestly? It ruined the game for me besides the copy paste open world
>>722650735I also do not understand how people manage to go through the entire game several times with different builds, if the game does not want to go literally after Limgrave.Gookmindset, no other way. Such people probably pumped up characters in Korean mmo characters grinding fields with mobs and saw nothing wrong with it
>>722652612They actually can play the game well and understand and have fun with the gameplay beyond the novelty of a first timer a secondary like you needs
>>722652612Are you asking why people play a game with depth and replayable systems many times?
>>722653062No, that would be asking the obvious. He's asking why people would replay Elden Ring.
>>722622039It’s an open world game that is more about fighting rehashed bosses than providing any sense of adventure. It’s a loot-incentivized action game where loot stops feeling meaningful about halfway-in.
>>722653097It's hilarious how many secondaries like you Elden Ring filtered and gave FOMO to
>>722622039I don't knownever played Fromsoftware games except Dark Souls 1
>>722653691play king's field
>>722622039reused bosses out of the arsecatacomb dungeons are 95% not worth visitingsome bosses are so xboxhueg that the camera just spazzes out because the engine was not made with such fights in mind>>722640703also this - I feel like it's too easy to trivialize almost every boss in the game
>>722653097don'y worry, you subhumans troons will finally find out this year
>>722654756>UR A TRANNY!!!I accept your concession. Some people hate ubislop no matter who makes it.
>>722654982your subhuman ilk LOVES ubislop though
>>722633371>leader of a bunch of misfits>speaks formally in her goosebump-raising voice>set to become the worlds god, but chose freedom instead>divine fashion sense>tries to sneak into the eternal city as a mini version and we just pick her up and foil her plans (and later carry them out for her)>we propose to her in a cutscene>best ending in the game>handjob champion of the game
>>722622446The Sacred Blade ash of war still was dealing some heavy damage late game for me. Those deathbirds and spooky scary skeletons didn't stand a chance. But yeah, past Farum Azula I switched to the Magma Wyrm's Scalesword
>>722652014Was Godskin Duo really that hard? I stumbled into his arena unawares and still beat them the first shot (by a very close margin, albeit). Those pillars make it fairly easy to only have to focus on one at a time.
>>722655031>NO USo many Ws with thread.
I hate Ranni because she is the 1 NPC you can't fuck over completely or kill.
>>722655428>>So many Ws with thread.the subhuman consolewartranny is also an ESL retard?shocking>>722655478falseyou can do her entire questline but go for the goldmask ending at the end
>>722655404i can't tell because i unga bunga through the last 3rd of the game and used both mimic and summon for that fight.
>>722655478You can severely piss her off, kill all her buddies, and ensure her plans never succeed.
>>722622134this desu
>>722622039>real criticism No pube peak
Getting a hug from a woman sets up unrealistic expectations.
>>722622039fanbase
>>722658284Too bad we can't smell her because she'll smell fishy as fuck hanging out with the eldritch fishgod all day.
>>722622039It's boring and predictable if you played any other souls title.
>>722622039Fighting the same bosses over and over and fromsoft obsession with nerfing the fun
>>722634660>Melina should have appeared every time you rested at a bonfire, at the very least.100% thisI mod her in, and she stops appearing after burning, so it's actually a hard decision to sacrifice her
>>722622039>casualized>too empty>too much reused content>bad story>no romance besides Ranni>can't fuck Marika>almost everything about the dlc
>>722622460holy kino
>>722622198Pretty much. Got to the outer walls of the capital a few weeks/months ago and haven't felt any urge to go back. I want to finish it but really can't be bothered, it's the most boring souls game premise.
I think that Elden Ring obtuse lore and lack of information is a mistake. The world, lore AND game, do not support this. The world should be more functional, instead, its zombies everywhere like usual.It seems to me they were doing something more concrete like Sekiro, then decided on the middle to make it confusing and vague because its already part of the identity or something.
>>722635078Isnt this just datamined content from the game itself?
>>722622039Too much repeated content
>>722641727The limitation of pvp in eldenring is why I dropped it. I won't be buying another game till it changes.>>722625182Don't try to even reason with nu /v/. Majority of posters here just want single player/porn. They cannot see the tragedy of the slow removal of a unique pvp mechanic that isn't battleroyal/moba esports slop. Fun rpg pvp is so hard to come by these days,
>>722622039Didn't need to be as obtuse as dark souls in the story-telling department.
>>722622039Tits too small
>>722622039the delayed attacks and parry windows that dont match up with enemy swings harms the flow of combat. it created a trend that i feel Expedition 33 tried to copy, and it seriously harmed the flow of combat. unless you are athletically retarded people tend to have good intuition for the weight and velocity of objects in motion and can guess their trajectory. especially if you are a guy, dead reckoning is basically hardwired. but when you mess that up with inconsistent swing speeds, random unexplainable changes in velocity paired with poor body animations, it harms the players ability to find a groove and learn to get good at fighting since every fight is a brand new fight with completely different physics, speeds, masses, ranges, hitboxes, and parry windows that dont match. it makes boss fights tedious and tiresome if you decide to respect them. And because combat isnt fun and boss behavior's stick to their limited set of long combos and wonky delays, they inadvertently leave a lot of time to just spam them to death anti climatically, because they didnt seem to plan for that. its as though they expected everyone to follow their dance, and never filled in a range of backup moves for other play styles. And with a game that big with so many bosses, i certainly was looking forward to finishing the game and being done with it. its my least played Fromsoft game because of its poor pacing across the board.
Honestly this entire thread is actually great and covers more or less everything. I would say overall Fromsoft's direction hasnt improved since DS1 and I would even say it has completely lost vision of the souls formula, and because of that every game after it is more or less the same but with different coats of paint.DS1 giants are huge, yet incredibly slow. Whereas in here you can see an enemy that is 20m tall yet he will still fling around up and down attacking like a monkey on steroidsThe verticality in DS1 is actually thought out and well made. Many of the small interconnected areas were cleverly made and were strokes of genius. You can also tell they put actual effort into it, such as the lower you go, the more disgusting the areas get (Blighttown), to the point where you reach hell, and the higher you go the more structured and harder the castles get, to the point where you reach something resembling heaven, and it practically peaks when you meet an actual goddess.But in Elden Ring most of the verticality is there just for the sake of it, theres no shortcut or anything that makes you go "WOW" because its incredibly obvious or just lazyThe vagueness of DS1 and its story is intentional, its literally a post apocalyptic dark world that you need to conquer or fix. You dont know anything about it because you are far too late to the party and everything is already over, and the small glimpses of lore you get is because of the remnants you get from the old world, from the rare occasional npc you get. In Elden Ring, its far too vague despite the 50 npcs you have, and clearly there is shit happening around you so its not like you're too late. Its boring as fuck and Sekiro already proved an actual story is better than it being vagueJust a few things off the top of my head, i still liked Elden Ring but I would say Fromsoft lost their touch and need to change things up
>>722622039Loot feels meaningless after couple of hours
>>722625219she has an incredibly ugly body and giant saggy grapes. why are people attracted to this?
>>722622039I only hate games when they get popular. Until then, I love them.
>>722662546>Expedition 33It didnt bother me on my first but I noticed everything on my second playthrough, the game has many small tricks it uses on you, like the occasional slow motion, sound effects not aligning up, attacks themselves being abrupt and erratic, the triple backflip into a feint, sometimes attacks literally just fuck with you like the Obscur dark attack, and the occasional gradient at the end of what appears to be a simple parry. Its definitely a flaw but honestly its not as bad as Elden Ring, where most bosses delay their attacks for no apparent reason, even Lies of P suffers from this
>>722622039The great curved swords don't cause blood decals. Only bugged weapon that does this, afaik. Oh and easy anticheat. That's about it.>>722622134first post filtered post
>>722648630The post is in the context of how dumb bosses are, not so much the games entirely, ESL anon.
>>722663232I know, I assumed anyone reading my post would infer the same context, I like the bosses in both of the games, I specifically enjoy the DeS-esque gimmicky bosses in 3 like Wolnir or Greatwood
>>722663123You can critique without being "filtered", anon. Novel concept to the psychotic and vocal underaged fanbase of Souls games, which has been around since DS1 got popular. Grow up. The fact that you only replied such garbage to that one post, nobody else, even the posts agreeing to it, speaks a lot.
>>722663301>Wolnir and GreatwoodAnd such bosses are clearly not what the first post is talking about. You clearly did not read past the "BB or DS3" part. Funny how you specify "DeS-esque", and the post is talking about bosses that clearly are not that, but instead the BB and DS3 fast and spammy bosses. Actually amazing how you have problems reading, yet insist on being a shit-poster; dangerous (yet common) mix.
>>722663558>I like the bosses in both of the games, I SPECIFICALLY --->
>>722663019>Its definitely a flaw but honestly its not as bad as Elden Ringthey fall into a similar box, in that they setup a gameplay loop where the player can never gain confidence in their learned abilities. imagine playing a racing game and every race track had different gravity, every turn has different slickness, you can never find a comfortable medium and at times it becomes to clear that you are using the wrong build. It is opposed to fun and enjoyment to achieve "difficulty". with 33, since i was going after enemies earlier than i should have, i was always getting 1 shot, but i like a challenge. each unique fight required multiple deaths until i could find an audio cue and memorize it. then id go on to another fight where what i just learned was completely useless. it becomes an arbitrary throw away mechanic when what you learn from one fight to another is not transferable. And that is not fun.
>>722650364They thought that gravity spells would balance it off.There's also the Deathbird spells that are Faith/Int sorceries.
>>722649442>>722652257You really are just a retard.Even when its laid out to you that other ways of attacking are way better than R1 spam, you still want to say that the game doesn't give you any reason to do it. Even if most players organically figure out that guard counters/ashes of war/jump r2s are extremely powerful.
>>722622141>souls combat should have evolved past R1 dodge by nowI don't understand why a game's combat should evolve past their fundamentals. Souls combat has added layers to this over time, with Elden Ring being the most standout example, but the basic core of the system doesn't need to change. Does Street Fighter need to evolve past footsies and fireballs? Monster Hunter past positioning and tool use to create punish windows? I sometimes get the feeling that people who complain seriously about R1 O just don't actually like Souls combat and want it to be something completely different, or else haven't spent much thought on the subject at all and just let memes dictate their opinion.
>>722658747which mod do you use to make her appear all the time?
>>722622039Legacy dungeons are the only enjoyable content in the game. The open world brings nothing to the table other than to elongate the amount of time it takes to go from one legacy dungeon to the next. You've literally just taken the souls formula and made an inferior product out of it.
>>722662732>But in Elden Ring most of the verticality is there just for the sake of it, theres no shortcut or anything that makes you go "WOW" because its incredibly obvious or just lazyGoing through the Ainsel River->Nokstella->Lake of Rot->Finally getting on top of that mountain in Liurnia was great. Same with Nokron->Deeproot->Leyndell.
>>722622039open worldunattractive characters
>>722622039rollslop
>>722622134None of that is bad.
>>722622134All of that is bad
>>722622134Some of that is bad
>>722622039It's shit, but buckbroken fromtrannies will happily line up to suck the annual steaming turd straight from miyazaki's rancid asshole, they're just like tendies in that regard
Base game music is a bit lame and somewhat poorly mixed. Regular smithing stone upgrades should cost half as many stonesThat's it. If you have any other complains about the game you should kill yourself.
>>722624539Based.
There's a bunch of post 2000 "gamers" on here and it shows.
>>722622039Looks like anime, therefore = unplayable weeb-shit.
>>722662732Agreed with everything you said.
>>722622039What's the point of a body like that when people don't even fuck to have kids in ER
>ugly characters>terrible combat>empty world with no towns>no storyThe list goes on with this goyslop.
>>722670432They do. Malenia is the only one that didn't.
Leaving improvements of other games behind, like boss revives or gauntlets. Slower than DS3. Crafting is underutilized; no unique spells, weapons, armor, talismans etc available from that feature, no quests tied to it, with all the fucking materials there are in the game. No auto collect for said materials. No use for leftover items like golden seeds, cvalices and dragon hearts, once capped, should have a secondary function granting temporary buffs like health regen, poise atttack buffs, elemental resistances, new attacks etc. Too many common items hidden away in areas you're meant to explore, like in Sekiro, Miyazaki "poking fun" fuck you, that makes exploting less rewarding. NG+ taking your great runes. Legendary weapons not being that legendary. Nerfs for pvpnigger's sake. No weapon or armor recolor at Boc's. No marriable waifu other than Ranni. Endings have no effect or changes in NG+. Diminishing returns, we're a fucking demigod this timee around let us be OP without a dozen buffs if we max out levels. Atrocious drop rate. Too many weapons having a single copy per playthrough. No random events on overworld. Having to upgrade weapons one level at a time instead of giving us a toggle if you have the mats. Low warp chest fuckery. Not being able to pet Torrent. No enemy other than rats dropping rune arcs, mo bell bearing for them or lost ashes. Not being able to keep the map open when having enemy aggro. No Lord of Frenzy Helmet, they cucked us in DS3 with the Harald Helm and they did it here again. Limits on throw items. Off the topmof my head that's it. Even with all, it's still a 9/10 forever play game for me, becays ethe emat of these games is the combat. Shut the fuck about the open world already.
>>722672145Oh and type a/b bullshit and no voloptuous women. Fuck this gay timeline.
>>722672145The lack of dynamism in the overworld is super lame. Seeing a troll caravan once is great, seeing that exact same caravan travel the same route every time, sucks. Good open world games work in a good amount of RNG for events happening, particularly games that involve the player running back through the same areas a bunch or dying and respawning all the time. Elden Ring doesn't have that.
>>722672435You expect the impossible from Fromslop: attractive women. You fell for the jewish fanart psy ops.
Babby's first From game...Its for...EVERYONE PG-13.
>>722672571Point, but it's still a great game and it being open world (or it being a bit empty) by itself doesn't make it a cardinal sin like so many retards like to parrot on here.
all the good points have been made(open world is w/e, crafting is a total filler)but we gained a lot in terms of gameplay and it does inspire a lot of confidence for whatever soulslike is next. hopefully a return to some linearity with bigger zones and verticality.Convergence is kind of a shit mod for balance and gameplay, but they do have some nice new platforming areas that showcase that you can do some fun stuff with jumping
>>722672601It shouldn't be this hard to have hot characters in a game. There is neither moral or legal reason, politics are meaningless and people who don't buy your products should have no say in what you make.
>>722674071You're demanding Fromslop to do the impossible tho. They're a rotten company who are incompetent in everything they do. Adding hot characters is out of bounds of their capacity for those un evolved Japs.
>>722672601>>722674071Melina, Marika and Sellen are attractive. There are probably few more but I forgot
>>722674337They're dysgenic as fuck and below average if you look at the in game models.
>>722674037>linearityFuck that. I wanted to be able to go staright to the final boss only to get cucked by thorns. Should have taken a page from Breath of the Wild.
>>722674207Why do you hate them?
I thought this DLC was supposed to stupid hard and that FROM had lost their touch?I died like 10 times to the desert pyromancer and not once to any of the bosses, there were too many enemies and kiting them all around took too long but it wasn't hard by any means, I quite enjoyed it though, just finished it now for the first time
>>722674706I guess this really was a DARK SOULS III THE FIRE FADES EDITION
>>722674460Nah they are all cute>dysgenic Stop throwing words around
>>722672145Rare weapons being "rare" only cause of their drop rate. Tf you mean the Monk's Flameblade has that gay ass spinning slash and no innate Black Flame damage?
>>722649595Blunder of the century desu
>>722674940You only find them cute because you're either a tranny or woman who feels less offended around uglyoids like those characters. True straight men yearn for better looking females from other games.
>>722675507Retard.
>>722622039>souls slop combati dont know how anyone plays these stupid games souls combat is objectively shit
>>722674037The Convergence is fun if you've already 100% Elden Ring once, and now just want to do quick campaigns. I've had fun with the Gravity sorcerer, and think the Nox character also looks fun. The mod changed a lot to make INT/FAI a good build.
>>722672601>>722674207Post an image of an attractive woman.Ideally put 3 side by side so I can see how dogshit your taste is with a representative sample.
>>722675927>Tifa and Arieth from FFVII>Rachel from Ninja Gaiden>whole cast of Nioh>most women from the Witcher games>Most women in BG3 >Zelda>Cammy from Street FighterList goes on. You call the Fromslop troons cute because you hate hot women and how they remind you how ugly you are irl. You feel most secure playing these games because they don't threaten your vanity or remind you how masculine looking you are.
>>722676276nta but you haven't evolved past the skinny e-girl phase of attraction, probably low-t, not even shitting on you, and I'm no chubby chaser, your horizons will just broaden some day
>>722622039The filler is too repetitive. All the caves blend into each other, the ruins, etc.
>>722676276If you want a blonde, you have both Roderika (shares Zelda's dogshit accent) and Fia. One of whom will even give you a hug.
>>722676770Their faces are too busted and ugly to be pretty. How dare you think they're comparable.
>>722676919Cammy looks like dogshit in SF6 and all of the main BG3 girls have fucked up faces.
>>722677118Fromtroon faces are more busted and less human looking than BG3 meme girls or slavic Cammy unironically. Idk if it's the dogshit engine they're using or the ugly artstyle that can't do faces at all.
>>722676405nta but based on the stuff i regularly see posted here and all over the internet where people express what the are into, the vast majority of people these days find sloppy saggy fat fucks attractive. its gross and generally repulsive. I assume its because most people are fat and their family is fat so naturally their preferences skew towards obesity and inflated attributes in fictional characters.these people are attractive. Stacy CruzMoka HayashidaJulia RocaIroha ShirasakiSkin Diamond
>>722622134pretty much yeah
>>722633567He's not the one whose bad at videogames, keep coping.
>>722622134they hated him because he told them the truth
>>722622039I cant....
>>722629305FEET
>>722640235you cant say that
>>722628836yesnt
>>722622039The lore in elden ring is incohrent due to far too many rewrites. Every game has them of course with DS3 suffering pretty badly from its rewrites but Elden Ring is a fucking mess.I could sit and list out so many things but I'll settle for one. Melina.It's obvious that in earlier development that Melina was Ranni's St.Trina their faces were identical until a few teasers later where Melina's appearence was changed.Even now with the dlc being an opportunity for From to actually write something for Melina even a handwave explanation for her existence we're just given an implication that she's Messmer's sister which creates more questions than it gives answers.From never patching in the finishes merchant questline is also criminal, they're all right there and ready to go.
>>722624317E33 isn’t a from game fucking idiot
>>722624409Convergence mod changed this and it’s unbelievably irritating. You’re just running through a field and you’ll hear the ping ping ping of picking up 48 rowa fruits. Crafting materials are everywhere in the open world, I don’t need them all
>>722633712If you want a normal story go play literally any other fucking game series and quit your bitching
>>722622039bad hitboxes
>>722680715Story is a vehicle that drives lore never the other way around. If your game lacks it then it has failed to be anything above a boring simulator.
>>722622134It all boils down to picking between>Rolling in the dirt for 10 minutes to get on small hit inOr>Stacking every cheese you can get to one shot the boss and never interact with the mechanics
>>722681304the biggest mistake a bunch of people make in ER is running into combos to continually dodge toward or parallel to the bosses, when in reality you can outrun most of them and get hits in afterward, or even between big swings, ALSO there are a ton of combos in the game that you can block the first swing of and dodge after, completely avoiding most of the delay swing onset stuff
>>722676770Why is Roderika's ass so big
>>722680907This is not only close minded but often times objectively a bad way to make games. Story is a contrivance to interact with the game world, and lore is what fleshes that world out. Some of the best games of all time use plot as an excuse to show the player the world they’re intersecting with.
>>722681681Interacting*
>>722681453its over a decade of people being conditioned into dodging everything combined with the punishing nature of the game meaning they just play safe. realisticly, the games bosses have a ton of openings available. But most players wont even bother cause the risk/reward isnt worth it unless you can exploit it consistently.
>>722681453That is still side stepping the issue. Boss fights are boring. That is way the dominate strats fall into one of those two categories. You either suffer through the fight like retard to feel like you "actually beat the game" or you chees the boss to get the tedious fight over with as quickly as possible. No one is having fun in the moment, only after the fight is over do they retroactively enjoy a feeling of superiority. Usually because of a false sense of internet clout.
>>722681982I think you can get through all of ER by bruteforcing it with rolls if you have enough patience, but I think by the time a player attempts Malenia they'll HOPEFULLY figure out just from waterfowl dance that they need to run away from some stuff
>>722681681No good writer has ever written lore for the sake of lore, it's an obsession of autistic nerds. Miyazaki isn't like this at all
>>722682069>no one is having fun in the momentI dunno man, there were only a handful of bosses that pushed my shit in and even then I was having fun
>>722622039too long.worst pvp of any souls game.no random 'chalice' dungeons, you'll be playing the exact same game, forever.
Invasions could have been so fucking fun even with all the imbalanced bullshit but they fucked up in so many ways, specially the player limit
>>722682168It's impossible to tell because you have already beat the game and so have the retroactive "fun" I mentioned. For the sake of your experience, what bosses did you have fun with? If they added a boss rush mode or a boss select like in sekiro which boss would you actually want to replay? Would you replay it more than once or would if be simply for novelty?
>>722682136>my fiction based>your fiction cringe Glass houses anon, it’s all the same shit. And again, you’re literally wrong. Basically every lauded turn based western rpg that’s ever released prioritizes the fiction of the world before character drama. >but they’re shit Not according millions of people except for 1 /v/tard
>>722678730>whoseretarded fucking 24 year old subhuman with curly hair who wishes he was a nigger
>>722622039Not enough cat girls
Magic builds are easy mode
>>722682469>using 24 fucking years old to try and big league someone for being “underage” >typing like this despite probably being 35+ Jesus Christ anon
>>722622039Rollslop
>>722622039 Incomplete plot lines with Melina. The leveling maiden isn't as compelling in Elden Ring.
>>722622858But she's the penultimate boss in the main game
>>722622039too easy
>>722635254I can imagine the fight and it would be kino
>>722682685w h o s e
people (more like couple of 4chan contrarian cuckolds) hate on the open world but realistically I doubt many people would want to return to the dark souls "semi-open world" if another fromsoft soulslike game released.
>>722653723Based.
>>722682382If there was a boss rush I'd play it at least once, but going boss to boss has never been the reason I've played these games, if anything they're just nice progression blocking rewards and the fun is overcoming them OR doing whatever interesting gimmick they want me to do.I enjoyed fucking up mogh without knowing I could've used a flask to negate his triple bleed attack, I knew something had to be wrong but outhealing it and beating him was legitimately cool.I purposely fought Rykard without the Serpent-Hunter on my first playthrough, and his snake head attacks mixed with the projectiles and avoiding lava was interesting.Malenia was outright fun once I mostly figured out how to not instantly die during waterfowl, her second phase was intense, the attack where she sends visages of herself was a fun ting to learn the timing of.Godfrey going full Tekken mode was cool, jumping over his ground stomps is satisfyingI like fighting dragons even if it's a tad rote.I beat Morgott in 5 attempts at level 16 on my first playthrough with a +0 hand axe, very fun fight though with little stamina his second phase golden sword attacks are a bit of a messRennala's first phase was cool, felt very Demon's Soulsey with all of the glowing students before her egg came down and smashed, second phase was aesthetically cool but nothing specialI didn't know I could parry Maliketh until my second playthrough, even without the parries it's a cool fight, dodging his airborne sword projectiles is tense and visually interesting.I'm not saying it's all great and perfect, but I am saying it's almost always interesting, my favourite in the series is still DS1, and replaying it isn't even slightly boring even though I know every attack like the back of my hand, but I don't think it's right to shit on ER's bosses just because they need to be approached differently.
>>722644550NPC bosses are shit and need to fuck off
>>722638898damn
>>722643867How so?
>>722622039bad equipment progression
>>722683020oh, I initially dislike Fire Giant quite a bit until I realized I could use torrent, then it became a pretty interesting fight by trying to keep him as close to me as possible as often as I could, and jumping away from his rolling attacks on torrent in phase 2 was a nice change from having to just roll something yes.Radagon and then Elden beast are nice send offs, Radagon feels a bit closer to a DS1 boss but a bit faster, Elden beast is pure spectacle, which is fine for a final boss.I never fought pre-patch Radahn but his current iteration is great, his telegraphs are fair and swapping to torrent to avoid specific attacks like his arrows or meteors is again a nice mixupI really enjoyed the game subverting my expectations of what a bossfight in these games usually ask of me, and I didn't start off the game feeling this way of course, I came to love it quick enough though.
>>722682980this is why elden ring and elden ring zoomers should be fucking hated for what they've done to the seriesDark Souls especially but Bloodborne too were masterpieces of world interconnectivity and clever environment design and this fucking faggot niggerbrained zoomer just says shit like thisjust spouts off this shitwhy?why do you assume everyone fucking wants a brainless fucking open world? because you like grand theft auto and soulless empty dogshit masquerading as something clever and intended?
upgrade system sucks
>>722682395>it’s all the same shitNo.>Basically every lauded turn based western rpg that’s ever released prioritizes the fiction of the world before character dramaThere is more to "story" than character drama. Taking that into account, I'll just assume you are wrong about this, either that or people who claim these games are the greatest thing ever are retarded. I haven't played these games so idk>millions of peopleOld CRPGs are niche. But you shouldn't care what mass audience thinks anyway, yes they are generally wrong and stupid.
>>722683020>I don't think it's right to shit on ER's bosses just because they need to be approached differently.I was fine with your post until your dropped this at the very end. First off, only two of those actually talk you having fun fighting the boss. You seem to enjoy the novelty of "beating" the boss but not actually fighting them. It would explain why your view of a boss rush is that you would "play it at least once". You would try it because it new but would really care beyond that because the bosses are sort of garbage and you really don't care about fighting them. I hope you are not being purposely disingenuous by saying I'm "shitting on them for being different". My problem is the tedium. Bosses having massive health pools that take 20 hits to kill you while killing you in three is a problem. It's like being task to untangle christmas lights but if you pull the wrong cord more three times in under a minute you have to start over. I pushes players to use the safest slowest strategy or use the one that ends it the quickest. >>722683387>enjoyed the game subverting my expectations The boss fights are the same shit from the last 3 fromsoft games. You didn't do anything different. The bosses just had more HP, moved faster and had longer combos. Its the same shit they just turned the dial up on some numbers to make it harder.
>>722622039mommy milkers gimme gimme
>>722684205Hey man, stop telling me how I feel, you're just wrongnot wrong about your own opinion on the game, but wrong about mine, just because I didn't drop the word fun on every boss descriptor doesn't mean I think it was a shit boss and was happy it was over.
>>722684559>>722684205also I wasn't solely referring to any one person when it comes to shitting on ER, I'm referring to many ongoing discussions in this thread.
>>722622039With the magic system, too much focus was put on incantations while sorcery seems more like an afterthought.There's twice as many incants as sorceries (and like four types as many prayer books) and they get access to all damage types, extreme damage output, and all sorts of useful support, while sorcery is mostly just limited to variations of magic missile.Even on the aesthetic end sorcery was neglected. Every incantation family has a unique paper background image, while sorceries have a single generic one.And then in the DLC there's yet another branch of yet holy damage incantations literally described as "sorcery, wielded as an incantation" because Int getting more damage types is forbidden.
>>722622039not enough hot milfs
>>722622039Shields felt too OP
the game is BORING
>>722622460Dude I just fought Zanzibart on my Steam Deck. Peak comfy kino.
>>722624087I respect the borderlands 4 team for playfully acknowledging the meme and finally realizing the truth to it - less is more when it comes to vidya writing and borderlands 4's writing is much less obnoxious.
>>722622039>ulcerated tree spirits>no story or reason to do anything
>>722685607Playing Demon's Souls when it came out was an amazing experience. The community for it on /v/ back then was also great.I wonder how many of those anons are still around.
>>722622039>80 hours of playtime in>"Oh... That's the ninth reskinned dragon boss but on a frozen lake..."
The PVP is the worst of any FS game, it's so bad they're making a PVP exclusive game next.
>same empty dead world with the same hollowed out ugly npcs with no personalities. Guess what? The world is twice more empty now! Fuck you for wanting anything else and take this Zanzibart with you to defeat Mydrion of Loss or something.
>>722685826It seems like they really didn't know what to do with Elden Ring's PVP. There's some new boons for invaders, but they also omitted lots of cool stuff like area defense invasions, mad spirits, sinners being open to invasions by blues, etc.I've heard covenants were actually planned at one point but got scrapped, which is a shame if true. There needs to be more material rewards for engaging with PVP.
>>722663354You can! not what that anon did, though. "Awful boss design" isn't exactly descriptive, it's vague and emotional. Like telling someone to grow up. What shows he got filtered, in particular, is complaining about the "spam", in a game which is on average, fairly slow compared to most action games.It's alright if he got filtered, though, there's no shame in it. For comparison, your post sounds a bit emotional, but it's not a shit post.
>>722685826>they're making a PVP exclusive game nextOh really? first I'm hearing of it, sounds... potentially promising. At least if you don't mean the console one for nintendo or something.Also I'd argue ER pvp is miles ahead of DS2 pvp even at its worst. And hey, there's good things in ER pvp, there's built in Wex Dust mod from DS3, more areas to invade, customizing weapon arts and weapons, etc.
>>722681304Remember when from zhangs were having melties about this and insisted that promised consort radahn was a bad mod?
>>722622039Terrible balancing. Summons are a cool idea in theory but were handled so poorly. And obviously the somber vs normal smithing stone shit.Too much of a boss rush, not enough actual levels like in previous Souls games>>722622134Also wrong. Elden Ring had great bosses. In fact the enemy and boss design is the main thing it has going for it.>>722681982That's a big problem too. Souls players tend to be dumber.
>>722622198>>722659375Imo ds1's interconnected/tighter world design is peak compared to ERs open world - but in my experience niggas who can't "bring themselves" to explore and enjoy open worlds (or even finish the main questline in open world games) are all burnout dopamine overdosed retards who need everything spoonfed to them. Put another way: Open world games are imperfect, and overdone, often lazily. But a massive amount of the criticism about open worlds is actually an attention span issue on the part of the retards playing them, more so than an indictment on the games themselves.
>>722686873DLC Radahn practically is a bad mod.
>>722622039I feel like the camera killed me more than some bosses.
>>722688112Now they're doubling that down with Nightreign and Duskbloods. Each are shitty pvp mods.
>>722622134filtered
>>722681304I think there's a lack of interaction with the bosses. Most arenas are flat and don’t offer much environmental engagement. No higher grounds to allow plunging attacks or give certain spells more chances to shine, or objects that separate you and the enemy's projectiles or environmental damage such as a boulder or similar.The feedback is just about only damage opportunities, not shifts in boss behavior. At most you can stagger them, but if you aren't cheesing it, then it's not likely to happen, and if it does, it just leads to more damage with a canned animation. Yeah, we have guard counters, but how do we know which attack is safe to do so or lead to a worse outcome than if you simply rolled or blocked. When the enemy takes so many hits and you can only take so few, the player will naturally try to minimize such risks. It leads to a very trial and error approach, and this is almost always considered a negative. It works in some games like Super Meatboy because the levels are short, action-packed, and the time to retry is three seconds. In Elden Ring, if there's no bonfire/statue nearby, then you're running all the way back. Sure, two minutes may not be much, but it's the fact you have to do it every single time you fail. And sometimes you just want to get going. In Dragon's Dogma, we have Blind which makes the enemy attack in random directions or spend less time attacking, which allows the player to follow up with attacks, support, buffs, or repositioning. Sleep takes them out, and it allows for those same setups. There is sleep in Elden Ring, but what can you do with it? Take the Chimera for example, if he's put to sleep, which is much more convenient to do so, then you can setup an attack/spell targeted at the Snake or Goat. Removing either does change the fight considerably. No more spells, freedom to climb, and no more poison. In Elden Ring, it's just leads to damage, and that's not even considering how you inflict sleep. char limit
>>722683396DS1/Bloodborne is massively overrated. Random 500 foot ladders to connect totally different areas are not the peak of level design.
>>722622641A miserable little pile of L2s.
These games lack cohesive design. As a dark fantasy enjoyer they look ugly and unplayable since the gameplay is also shit. I'll stick with Dragon's Dogma or The Witcher for better worlds and design.
> bodytypes> 0 sexThese 2 are the only ones that come to mind :/
>>722690550Fromsoft never made anything to cater to romance incels plus gender never really matters in these games.
>>722690679> gender never really matters> " uhmm you cant have sex with pretty waifus beacuse...WELL BECAUSE You cant ok"whatever you say troon, remember do dissinfect your axe wound
>>722685694>he doesn't like the wormiesScrub.
>>722691029There's no pretty waifus in these games tho. Fromsoft isn't capable of making hot or cute women. You're asking the wrong developer for a Persona game.
>>722691372> no pretty waifus NIGGA you cant be for real
>>722691784Her in game model is dogshit and looks like a chimp with a very long thin nose ngl.
>>722622039the base game was fun, dlc wasn't goodthe ending dlc boss was also lame and unfinished, especially from what we saw of the cut content later
>>722691965Brother you just lack taste> chimp with a very long nosei dont remember elden ring having any jews or niggers in the game
>>722683387Radagon is S tier, the Elden Beast is pure cancer with all his laser spam.
>>722692487Yikes. She's a 4/10. The fanart massively lied.
>>722692652kys faggot
>>722692652Troon 100% confirmed
>>722622039the open-world does absolutely nothing for the game and >>722622134
>>722692231>especially from what we saw of the cut content laterWhat was cut from the fight itself? I recall something about Miquella using a bow.
>>722622039roll slop
>>722695387you could side with miquella if you wanted, there was cut dialog where he said some similar things that ranni has in her ending
>>722622039>Name a single real criticism of elden ringIts not fun. I don't like being so squishy that a boss can kill me in 2-3 hits. I don't like how even trash mobs can cut through me like paper. I don't like dodges on a conceptual level; I think it looks goofy and I hate the concept of I framing through attacks. And I don't like boss runbacks (though the runbacks are significantly less brutal then they were in Dark Souls 1 and 2).
>>722622134>Continues the awful boss design that kept getting worse and worse with each subsequent From game. You think BB or DS3 is bad? Well, ER is even more spam, more flashy, more anime-shounen-esque, more combos, more aggression, more jumps, more teleports, more delayed attacks.That's why I have no issue using summons, magic, weapon arts, and items to cheese bosses. If the bosses get to move like Naruto while I'm still moving like I'm in molasses, then you can be damn sure that I'm gonna cheese the shit out of the game
>>722695767>retard thinks there's only one way to play by dodging
>>722622134Honestly no I don't think BB or DS3 are that bad, far and away I found human enemies like Gascoigne the most cancerous because of how fucking much damage their guns can do
>>722695597That was base game cut content discovered a while before the DLC.Miquella and Malenia together originally had a different story planned for the game. There was also supposed to be a route where Malenia could be fought after assisting her and Miquella would use the last of his power to help her in the battle, I think.
>>722695886>reading comprehensionI don't even know why I bother still coming on this shithole. Even so, I'll break it down for your slow ass. On a conceptual level, Dark Souls 1-3 and Elden Ring are built around dodging and I framing through attacks. I'm well aware that you can jump over some attacks, block others, parry other attacks, and even run away from other attacks. But that doesn't change the fact that the primary way to avoid attacks is by I framing through them so that you can maintain aggression and pressure on bosses at all times.
>>722683834What game has a good story anon? A good “real” story that doesn’t prioritize world building?
>>722696212uh no, you can just block every attack with a shield, you dumb nigger
>>722622039Elden Ring is a great game, but it’s not From’s best work.My problems with it are:1) They reuse too many bosses/mini-bosses too many times — what starts out as exciting gets boring and tiresome.2) The horse riding doesn’t feel as grear as Shadow of the Colossus. It’s weird how 20 years later SotC still has the best horse riding in a video game, I don’t get it.3) They went back to having roll be on Roll button “Up” instead of Down like. Was in Sekiro — this was something they fixed then forgot they fixed.4) Some of the later sections fall off a cliff — eg the icey giant zone is really bad.5) Those copy paste chalice dungeon get old really fast — there wasn’t enough variety.But yeah overhaul it was really good just not their best work. Dramatically better than the slop western devs have been putting out though no doubt. I enjoyed it.
>>722696272Early game? No. You can't block every attack and maintain aggression. You're objectively playing worse. You won't be blocking every attack and trading blows with bosses until you've invested a significant amount of levels into stamina, gained barricade shield, and upgrade your shield tier.
>>722696442yes, early gamethis isn't dark souls
>>722696483even dark souls med shields are better against bosses than in elden ring sheerly because they don't have 30 fucktillion attacks per string
I enjoyed my first playthrough a lot, but I'd never play it again just because the replayability sounds awful. The though of going through random shit caves that mostly look the same sounds the opposite of fun.
They nearly had perfection with Bloodborne and got it PERFECT with Sekiro and then took 10 steps back with ER it's disappointing as hell.
>>722696881it's mostly tolerable for abridged playthroughs where you ain't doing all that shit, maybe beeline to moonveil and then call it good>>722696992sekiro's not a souls game it's tenchu running on souls' engine
>>722696992Those two weren't perfect at all and took several steps back from the originals. They could never master anything it seems.
>>722622460playing sekiro rn I think I got hit with a forgive me line like three times already, just beat Genichiro at Ashina Castle after 1APing lady butterfly.
>>722622134Behold, peak Fromsoft boss design. It was all downhill from here.
>>722628918>Mfw I just want to be randomly invaded in Elden Ring, but don't want to summon helpers or get invaded nonstop like with the Taunter's Tongue
>45' posts so far>not a single real criticismYep, Elden Ring is perfect
>>722624087Who is pretending it isn't??
>>722622039Only 10 character slotsWhat a load of shit, it's 2025 people!
>>722698791They should have just made so if a rune arc is active you're open to invasion.
>>722699183or just opening the summoning pool
>>722622039Marika did nothing wrong. Also how did they get away with making her canonically hot?
>>722650364Frost nigga
>>722623898Nice
>>722622039open world = empty forgettable slop
>>722622039>got rid of her Roman nose for an animeInferior copy, booba notwithstanding.
>>722622039Would hug.I thought It was fine.
>>722622039i think with a world this large there could be a few more npcs and questlines. maybe a couple that don't end in the person dying.
>>722622039HowlSFM is the best animator alive and I'm tired of pretending he isn't.
>>722625304>only interact with people who want to interact with youI don't see your problem
>>722629767There's 238 "bosses" in base game ER. Like you said, there's 8 that are totally unique. If you count just the first usage of a boss (excluding those that are just stuff like a late-game enemy as a boss in the early game) then there is 37 original bosses, and then 201 are some form of re-use.>>722641428>This game literally has more variety than any other game out thereWukong has more original bosses
>>722622039I need her to rape me
>>722630080>People find this cutelmao
>>722692231OH MY GOOOOOOODDDDDDD
>>722662458Wrong
>>722661790You're not meant to see it all
>>722652276didn't read you're wrong
>>722634303Why do you hate them?
>>722649595this
>>722622039Open world bloatNerfing contentBarely tried to balance the game, too many OP things
>>722702094>Open world bloat No such thing. They're called "podcast listening zones". An important development in gaming.
>>722701075Nothing wrong with using bosses multiple times, especially in an open world game. It gives a chance for the player to come across them if they miss them before.>WukongWukong has nothing to do with Elden Ring. Besides, that's just a lie and it means nothing. Because Elden Ring is objectively better quality than whatever Wukong has.
>>722702773It gets tiring and can cause burn out for players when they feel exploration is not satisfying due to only finding reused content instead of new things.It is relevant, you made the claim ER has more variety than "any other game out there" which is false. It's not a lie, you can count them yourself using lists online if you do not wish to replay the games yourself to confirm. I would also argue that Wukong's best bosses are better than ER's, and likewise for the average boss (though Wukong has the singular worst boss between the two games)
>>722686525I liked DS2's more because movement was more limited. Making shields and parries more important.Also I'm talking about the nintendo game.
>>722622039Dark Souls was a gamergate game. Likely linked to the CIA and DOD. Elden Ring is just a game following suit. It's an RPG insanity game. Supposed to teach subservience and punish free thinking. Real games let you play free. Psyop games force you to play how they told you to in the tutorial the entire game or be simply do not make any progress. Only through practicing submission may you make progress. The quicker you become at abandoning thought to react to direction the better you becone at the game. You sir are a practicing cuck. I'm what people pretend they are. I, am enlightened.
>>722703131The game has so much to offer, literally just go somewhere else. There's new things to do and explore in every area. Even if they somehow come across "reused" content, it's still more than enough to offer enjoyment. It's not a binary thing, anon. If they somehow don't like the game, then go play something else. And no, it's not relevant. You're bringing up Wukong which has nothing to do with Elden Ring.
It's too obtuse in regards to getting to a 'fun zone' build starting from a blank slate. Yeah there's people playing cool builds with spells and consumables etc, but that's after a massive amount of researching ways to make them viable, blindly it's hard to make Sorcs on a Prisoner feel better than pure dex, you end up using spells for RP more than gameplay
>>722622039I don't like it.
>>722688016I've finished and enjoyed plenty of open world games. ER's is just boring.
I wish this piece of shit game had an actual story with actual characters instead of being yet another From Software>and everyone is long gone, dead or insane.Imagine watching my cute boywife Miquella interacting with his family. Or Marika with her ugly retard children. Imagine ANYTHING instead of reading>Then the fart soldiers died in the siege of Sarcoma, forever following their lord
The only problem I have is that everybody is out there to kill us. For example, if I beat Radahn, I should be the lord of the Redmane Castle, and those soldiers should bow before me, not out of fear but respect as I freed their beloved Lord from eternal suffering. Or Moments like when we tarnished the fight with Radahn together or Ansbach, Thiollier, and I are fighting Leda and her team were peak.
Is there any go to ash of war for claws?
>>722704342Would be much better if it has an actual narrative around your player character outside le chosen one and got rid of the whole faggot Miquella shit in the first place. Imagine feeling badass with a band of your buddies instead of being a janny cuck who has to clean up for gods he doesn't care about.
>>722622039Too fast. I miss when I was able to feel every step. I love knights, and I want to play a knight game, not a ninja game disguised as a knight game.
>>722703397I'm bringing it up in response to the claim ER has more variety than any other game out there. If you only wish to compare it to specifically FromSoftware's other titles than you should state so.
>>722622039Made for BWC
>>722622134fpbp. sonygro in ruins
Destined death should delevel you or delete your save file.
>>722708887Demon's Souls was the first and last time From was based on enough to include attacks that delevel.
>>722622039>the open world adds nothing except slog, especially on repeat playthroughs>summons aren't fun to play with, and the choice to balance the game around them severely hinders a lot of the boss design>Radahn being the final boss of the DLC instead of Godwyn is insultingly-shallow fanservice that spits on the existing lore and charactersit's still an easy 9/10 though
>>722708887newfaggot zoomoid fromsoft players can't even handle 30 second runbacks or having to occasionally farm blood vials
>>722622134I finished ER and none of my top 30 moments of the game were boss fights. I thought the library area that flipped upside down was cooler than any fight up to that point.
