>>722624863
What makes Stardew Valley socialist? Never played it

>>722624863
You don't starve to death on the left
And you don't die by immigration on the right

>>722625180
I guess if you stretch the Joja Market arc

>>722625254
AC New Horizons it's all about immigration

>>722624863
If I turn around, what game will I find that is comfy communism?

>>722625410
I do not know what that means

>>722624863
Cozy = gay lmao

>>722625180
I'm assuming it's referring to the opening having the farmer quit his corporate job to find meaning fixing the old family farm, and the related story beats and easter eggs for snubbing other corpo employees up to the 100% screen.
Either that or just that the only way the town improves is if the player donates money and goods because the lowest two levels of government do fuck all except show up for some holiday parties.

>>722625557
Basically in SV you have a main arc where you either revive a Community Center that is controlled and owned by the whole town or you side with a corporation called Joja Market and they slowly take over the town by making it better. The game doesn't really tell you which way its better.

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>>722624863
I choose cozy Emily!

>>722625540
Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic

>>722624863
Capitalism = fair and rewards more to people who put in more effort
Socialism = unfair and siphons money from hard workers into the pockets of lazy people who'd rather shoot up or become alcoholics.

>>722624863
I would rather play wild world instead of these pieces of shit. that game had SOUL

>>722624863
Fuck those fags in jojamart and fuck that nigger pierre

>>722624863
ironically AC is more of a socialism sim and SV is more capitalistic

>>722624863

If Socialism is a good idea... then how come it has never successfully worked for any large populace?It feels like 10 years ago, everyone was pushing socialism hard. But as usual, people come to their senses and realize that socialism only really benefits the wealthy as it destroys functional societies.

>>722632972
Nothing's changed, it's always been a bunch of retarded teenagers who have enough awareness to see the world being fucked but have no clue how to improve it. Their answer is to grab onto some bullshit that's too irrelevant to be visibly problematic to them, and pretend it'll fix everything because "it just will ok?"
If you're noticing it less now it's probably just because you got older and less exposed to adolescents

>>722624863
>stardew valley
>socialist
>hospital visit costs 1000g

>>722630653
Capitalism = unfair and rewards people who are born with an advantage and actively make it harder for others to prosper.
Socialism = fair but everyone suffers as the government individuals have no consequence for improperly distributing resources.

>>722632972
socialism only works if you arent mass-importing 3rd worlders

>>722633285
>If you're noticing it less now it's probably just because you got older and less exposed to adolescents

I was in my 30's ten years ago. Age has nothing to do with anything. There was just a lot more noise for a socialist revolution during the Obama years. But that died out for a capitalistic future thanks to Trump's massive influence.

>>722624863
Ok the real real thing is that no system actually matters, what makes a system bad is the moment you scale it upwards without thinking about human tendencies

sociopaths love to worm their way into the ranks of government because they are sociopaths. regular people don't give a shit about that stuff because managing people is gay and who would want to do that, but sociopaths love it, and when systems get bigger and bigger, the one in charge becomes more and more abstracted. it's perfect for sociopaths because it makes them less and less of a target and anything that happens is directed to the lowest on the totem. there's a reason your boss has a boss has a boss who has a boss. and your boss has probably never met the boss's boss's boss. the only thing any system actually needs to work is a way to address the tendency for sickos to want to be in power, but they never do.

>>722632972
Socialism is a good idea, but putting it into practice would require all pre existing societies to forget all their habits and organization and build it from scratch. In other words, it's way too late for it to be implemented.

>I haven't played either of these games and want to ragebait with them

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>>722624863
How about this?

>>722625653
Stardrew Valley is more libertarian than it is socialist. Socialism requires state-power and bureaucracy to function.

>>722633476
What's stopping you from working hard and leaving your children with wealth and property?
Oh right your laziness and/or your parent's laziness.
That's not capitalism's fault. That's your shitty genetics, upbringing, or family.
Not to say we shouldn't have certain welfare programs for people who actually deserve it like those born with disabilities, but those programs need to actually be performed properly so your fat Karen aunt can't go cry to her doctor and obtain disability status for anxiety, or """ptsd""" or some other bullshit.

>>722633630
All political theories are good ideas. It's the praxis that differentiates them all. And socialists have the worst track record of them all.

>>722633502
>socialism only works if you arent mass-importing 3rd worlders

So, it's designed to be a fail system. How does one enforce a socialistic society? People will find loopholes and abuse them to gain advantage over others, and society will just revert back to capitalistic society, anyway. Socialism was always designed to fail.

>>722633873
It works if there is no more dissenting opinion left and everybody just complies and do what is required of them to do.

>>722633630
>the state routinely seizing property extrajudicially is totally a great idea on paper, but people are jerkfaces so it doesn't work in practice
straight up highschooler talking points.

>>722633942
>It works if there is no more dissenting opinion left and everybody just complies and do what is required of them to do.

So Socialism becomes a slave state that is ruled over by a ruling class (In this case it is set up to be Israel). Which is also a complete failure.

>>722634035
It was a joke but yes, it's authoritarian by its very modes and goals of governance.

>>722625254
Anon, you're the filthy immigrant on the right

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>>722633803
Anon, working hard means nothing. You can be wealthy by sitting your ass in front of a screen and making people believe the stock market works or broke by slaving away 12 hours on a contruction site and spending all your barely above minimum wage salary to feed your kids. People dont have the same start or same opportunities.

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>>722633476
>Socialism = fair

>>722625540
Rimworld

>>722633803
>Not to say we shouldn't have certain welfare programs for people who actually deserve it like those born with disabilities
welfare isn't a socialist policy, why the fuck do people always conflate the two.
welfare is specifically a capitalist invention. Socialism is when the government expropriates all private productive infrastructure and centrally plans its usage by the public.

I just realized every 4X and grand strategy game is fascism.

>>722633973
Well, yes, people being jerks ruins the system as it is highly dependant on giving certain people power, following them nearly blindly and hoping they arent jerks.

>>722634283
The best system that accounts for that is a liberal capitalist society.

>>722634235
Socialists have gone out of their way to co-opt any sort of welfare, labor and distributist politices for a long time. It gives them credence to be the more "empathetic" group to people who don't know better.

>>722634330
Then the government is effectively replaced by who has enough money to control the most important resources

>>722634176
I love how leftists are delusionally wrong about literally everything they say:
>working hard means nothing
Bullshit. Working hard and steady allowed me to move up from working for minimum wage at a grocery store through raises, and improvements to my resume to the point I'm making $46 an hour now, and can now afford anything I need, and most things I want in life.
>You can be wealthy by sitting your ass in front of a screen and making people believe the stock market works
Getting lucky in stocks is luck. You can either cry about other people's lucky hands in life or work hard for similar things you want.
>People don't have the same start or same opportunities.
No one said they did.

>>722634579
Why are you calling me a leftist? In any case, how did you go from a grocery store to earning over 7000 a month?

>>722633630
Socialism is a terrible idea because it is built on fundamentally incorrect ideas.

>>722634704
At its most basic, it's "everyone works and everyone gets the same shit". It's less glamorous than capitalism "get more money and get more stuff" but it's not particulary faulty.

>>722634704
Free market too (monopolies are a natural outcome, collusion, lobbies, and so on), and here we are, applying it with hundreds of patches so that it doesn't collapse

>>722634551
The government is always the richest entity in any liberal capitalist society. What you're talking about is more interest groups using their capital to be a spokesperson in behalf of people who otherwise may or may not agree with them.

mmmm... bolitics.... :)

>>722634865
It being patchable is already its best feature.

>>722624863
but there's nothing with 'merit' here

>>722635009
Socialism should also be patchable though

>>722634836
>but it's not particulary faulty.
the entire conceit of socialism is built around the understanding that socialism doesn't work. It's a revolutionary ideology that agrees that its message of centrally-planned economic doesn't work. Socialists literally believe that you have to allow capitalists (which means entrepreneurs, not people who believe in "capitalism") to privately generate productive infrastructure, as the socialists are not good at doing it themselves (this is why they say USSR wasn't socialist: it never allowed capitalists to develop infrastructure. Russia went right from feudal serfdom to communism), after which point the socialists say "nice work, egghead, but give me all of your stuff or we're going to blow your brains out."
Ok well what the fuck do you do when the productive infrastructure becomes decrepit due to lack of effective maintenance over the years? Or more importantly, what do you do when productive infrastructure becomes outmoded? How are you going to replace it all with the new and better stuff? Or do you just not develop new stuff to outmode the old stuff and just wallow in eternal stagnation while your society falls apart around you because you killed the productive class who made all your factories for you?
Socialism is a lot more than "u get dah saem amount of muney"

>>722625746
>Controlled and owned by the whole town.
Crazy the shopkeeper I'm selling millions of dollars worth of produce through doesn't lift a finger to fix it, but Joja helps better the town. Still won't do the Joja path though because this is my kingdom.

>>722634235
>Socialism is when the government expropriates all private productive infrastructure and centrally plans its usage by the public
You're thinking of communism.
Andrew Cuomo confused himself on television recently by not knowing the difference between the two either because he grew up in Cold War America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahzBreU7pJY&t=280

>>722625653
That's libertarian voluntarism, not socialism.

>>722624863
Swap them
Animal crossing feels socialist
You get a house for free, Tom Nook doesn't even pressure you to pay for it
When he upgrades your house it's because he thinks you'd prefer having more space
The villagers give you stuff just for being a good friend

joja did nothing wrong

>>722624863
Shouldn’t this be the other way around?

>>722635415
socialism is communism. They're the same thing. There are different types of socialists who have different perspectives on how to go about expropriating all productive infrastructure, but they all fundamentally believe in that same end goal.

>>722635602
>socialism is communism. They're the same thing.
That's why there are two different words for them and also why, quite famously, leftists unanimously agree on their end goals.

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Being a teenager is thinking capitalism is just based meritocracy

Growing up is realising capitalism is why governments/kikes flood the first world with jeets and niggers (cheap labour)

Kinda hard to be pro capitalism when cunts are so unbelievably greedy that they’ll make the world worse just for 1% more profit (like when the wine industry just started destroying good wine simply because the surplus was lowering value)

Bitch I'm selling this jam for millions. What the fuck do you mean "socialist"?

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>>722624863
Whoever made this image is a fucking retard. Anyone who would discuss this image is a retard.
Stardew valley is a comfy game if you wish to farm.
Animal Crossing is a comfy game if you wish to city build/island build.
Simple as that, easy as that.

>>722635415
Communism is a more extreme version of socialism. In socialism "most" production is seized to be centrally planned and in communism is all of it. Socialism also allows personal property.

>>722635710
>cunts are so unbelievably greedy that they’ll make the world worse just for 1% more profit (like when the wine industry just started destroying good wine simply because the surplus was lowering value)
Don't look up Stewart Resnick and the history of sanctions on Iranian pistachios

>>722635685
>That's why there are two different words for them
you ever heard heard of a synonym
or would you take the position that cars and automobiles are two completely different things because there's two words for them

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What would you consider this game?

>>722635838
>Socialism also allows personal property
So does communism. After a certain age it's your own fault if you don't know the difference between private property and personal property.

>>722635885
>Synonym (/ˈsJn.əˌnJm/): Two words which mean different things but are used interchangably when you can't be bothered to learn the difference.

>>722636097
ok so on the one hand you have communism which believes in expropriating all productive infrastructure from the capitalist class.
Then on the other hand you have socialists who believe in private property and private ownership of the means of production, right? That checks out.

neither game is socialist

socialism requires some degree of means of productions being owned by the workers, community or state.

there's no indication of this in either game.

then again, the scale of both games are arguably too small to be able to know what systems they really use. the only real indication you get is the prevalence of loans and small businesses. the presence of loans implies capitalism more than socialism.

>>722635602
they are not.

socialism is about means of productions not being owned by private investors (i.e., stock holders, banks, loaners, etc).

communism is an abolishment of state, a complete global community run by workers, for workers, where the concept of private property does not exist.

they are two very different concepts. although you could argue socialism is a step towards communism.

in socialism, some billionaire majority stock owner can't tell your company to fire 20% of its workers so stock valuations go up 5% next quarter. in socialism, the decisions of the company are made by the workers, the state, or the community.

in communism, there is no concept of a billionaire in the first place.

>>722636229
That's specious reasoning. How underage are you?

>>722635497
Animal crossing is closer to the idealized communal economics of the pre agriculture revolution society. That communism is based off of.

"Hey thanks for these fish, I made you this shirt". Getting paid in items is seen as more of an equivalent exchange for labor.

>>722625254
> midwit thinks socialism is communism
many such cases

>>722625180
A company bad so socialism wins, even though that's not what socialism is remotely about (In socialism/communism/marxism they just define away the concept of a corporation but still have them)

>>722635946
You don't own a house in communism, but you can own your shirt. Because all land belongs to the state.

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>Don't have a policy preference
>Don't care much about communism, socialism, capitalism ect
>I go to work welding, I make good money to spend on my hobbies
>Have enough money saved up in interest and investments.
>Plan on being a millionaire at around 60 years old and retiring with a wife
>So far, all things are according to plan
>Don't get involved with politics at all, don't even know what current news is up to at this point
>Life is simple and fair, I live with my gf and live in the middle of the woods
>I love my job, I love my hobbies, but most of all I love my gf
>I am happy with a simple life
>I am happy knowing that I work without the worlds worry
>I am happy that I don't need to know capitalism, socialism or communism
>I live a good life
I live a happy life

>>722635251
It's not as sensitive to market realities, capitalism is very fluid in that manner.

>>722636523
>in communism all land belongs to the state
Marx was of course known for repeatedly advocating that the commons should be owned by the state.

>>722624863
>Stardew
>Socialism
So owning private property and earning money is socialism now?

>>722625540
Mother 3

>>722636816
You cannot ignore politics at this point nor the economy but otherwise not bad.

>>722636816
lrn2greentext, baka.

>>722624863
>Stardew Valley
>Cozy Socialism

With the profits I get from Wine, Pale Ale, Aged Goat Cheese, and Smoked Lavafish? Yeah, sure, buddy.

>>722636295
>socialism requires some degree of means of productions being owned by the workers, community or state.
Everyone in SV owns their own means of production, except the Joja employees.

>>722637102
Sorry, Smoked Lava Eel.

>socialism is when no profits
Woo wee, /pol/ has rotted your minds that much?

>>722636816
>>Have enough money saved up in interest and investments.
>>Plan on being a millionaire at around 60 years old and retiring
You very obviously have a policy preference even if you're too stupid to realize it.

>>722637016
Who says I can't ignore politics? I've been doing it for multiple years now, and it's as simple as just turning off your phone for the night, seeing anything remotely /pol/ coded or Twitter thread, and just blocking them and moving on. I made an exception this one time just to see if people are being civil or not, good to see that the world still the same.

Ignoring politics is the best decision I've ever made

>>722636816
None of those are true lol

>>722636943
I thought about adding the theory. But in practice that is never what happens. The absence of state is an imaginative theory that will never come into fruition.

Steps of communism
> revolution
> take every thing from private enterprises
> reorganize everything
> never step down from power

>>722625180
Nothing really. It's more a community growing strong instead of letting a coporate store chain kill the local market.

>>722637272
>never step down from power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw

>>722637216
Perhaps I do, but I could care less about it. I just use it as a stepping stone in my own life to live a better one tomorrow.
I may be retarded, but I will forever be happy

>>722637102
Better to make Lava Eel ponds and make aged roe.

>>722637119
yeah but i mean, the scope is too small to know if its not just small businesses. and jojamart i believe is owned by joja corporation or something, and corporation pretty heavily implies stock ownership, i.e., capitalist

but it also goes to show you, at a small enough scale, the differences between capitalism and socialism minimalize, so one of the keys to happiness in this fucked up world is often minimizing your world, and focusing more on your local community.

>>722637387
>I may be retarded, but I will forever be happy
You post on 4chan.
Also since you said gf instead of wife I'm assuming you're under 40 so there's still plenty of years for your best laid plans to blow up.

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lmao what???

Stardew isn't socialist at all. If anything, it's an idealist's view of capitalism, where one particularly smart and productive person can make the world better for everyone else.

The whole story of the game is getting tired of corpo bullshit and going to do your own thing

>>722637535
Of course there is that possibility, but that is something I can always fix, and if they don't work out, I continue forward.
Life is simple if you don't worry about the the too far future

>>722637647
Are you black?

>>722637647
>that is something I can always fix
>and if they don't work out, I continue forward
Ok good luck to you but people who live remote lives in the woods have a rich history of going crazy and eventually blowing their brains out or going crazy and writing manifestos.

>>722637837
Those are only the ones you hear about.

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>>722637248
You do invest money don't you anon?
This isn't mine, but with some money saved up and a monthly deposit, you can make this much if you are at least 18 and start doing investing. I am being a bit low with how much I place in, but get yourself a well paying job and good standing, there is no reason why anyone here can't be a millionaire when they hit 60-65

>>722637896
Being a millionaire in 40 years won't mean shit, given the current rate of inflation.

>>722637896
>there is no reason why anyone here can't be a millionaire when they hit 60-65
A million dollars in 50 years time is going to worth less than a million dollars today.
Just like a million dollars today is worth less than a million dollars 20 years go.

>>722637971
Oh anon, I hope one day you realize investments go with inflation, so no matter what, you will be ahead of the curve on inflation

>>722637467
I just finished making one, but I gotta find another Golden Animal Cracker for it.

>>722638053
I don't believe that the numbers will always go up. And even if they do, I don't think that's a good thing. If I pay you 1 million to shit on the floor, the GDP goes up, but nobody's life is any better.

>>722637236
It effects your everyday life right now and your future heavily. I'm saying its in your face and you literally cannot ignore it and you don't. Doesn't mean your overly emotional or doing things about it other than preparing.

>>722638130
Oh of course not, numbers will go down and go back up. There is a reason why it's called buying the drop, and if you have someone to help you get those drops with you, then your retirement is super simple
It is a gamble for the long run, and there is risk, but it's a risk that is paying off nicely so far as long as you are smart about the stock market and such

>>722638257
I am pretty sure it doesn't effect me at all l. Matter of fact, I don't think it will affect me in the future. The only thing that will affect me on it is teaching a future son or daughter about politics, and let them decide what they wish to do about it. I have no other worry about such things, I pay my bills, I pay my groceries, I go home, I focus on my gf and my hobbies. Life is good without myself worrying about such trivial things

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>>722637896
>dude just invest your money after everything crashed 4 years ago
Kill yourself

>>722638493
Yes, you buy the crash, you are guaranteed to make your money back no matter what

>>722634579
>>722634692
In republican clown world
>Anything I don't like or threatens the corporate status quo is 'leftist'

>>722638604
>>722638270
so long as this system of infinite exponential debt-based growth persists, it's all good

>>722638707
>muh republicans
>muh democrats
Stop eating garbage, retard. There's only one side and they hate you and me.

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>>722638452
>I am pretty sure it doesn't effect me at all l. Matter of fact, I don't think it will affect me in the future.
You know what, I wouldn't worry about it. Business as usual fr fr.

>>722638762
Exactly. Now you getting the picture

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>>722635710
Massive improvement.

>>722625180
Nothing. OP just needed a bait for his thread.

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>>722624863
I still remember the CHAZ CHOP garden

Helping a smaller business beat a larger one isn't socialism, people are fucking retarded.

>>722625746
>>722624863
That doesn't sound like socialism at all, but I can see how people see this as "socialism vs capitalism". From the little I have read of SDV plot's, it sounds more like Anarcho-Capitalism.
I have no fucking clue how on earth AC is "capitalism", unless you mean "slaving" yourself to Tom Nook being part of the capitalism way of life.

>>722625540
Minecraft

>>722624863
I am thoroughly convinced 99.9% of English speakers have no fucking clue what Socialism/Capitalism/Communism actually mean anymore. All 3 have been boiled down completely to buzzwords.

>>722625180
Bluesky retards don't know what libertarianism is, and those who do think it's more fascism.

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>>722640774
Like libertarians have a single idea of what libertarian is. The silicon valley billionaires just want feudalism with more written contracts.

>>722638814
We have a right wing uniparty running the show, god forbid we actually start doing stuff for the people, but mum communism.

>>722624863
left: chill game
right: no game

>>722641219
Left or right means nothing.

>>722641542
t. uniparty shill

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>>722624863
That's right, farmer. This is a high trust socialist utopia! We all pitch in and we all reap the rewards! There's nothing as satisfying as spreading goods around.

>>722641865
Pierre...

>>722624863
Can't be helped because farmers are the biggest welfare queens to exist

>>722641865
Not working is stealing from your motherland comrade. Get the fuck back in the field right now.

>>722624863
>starjew valley
yeah I'll pass on that one simply because of that name. If I wanted to live in such place, I'd live in america

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>>722642130
>farmers vote for the tariff platform cause of vibes and culture war bullshit
>tariff candidate who ran on a tariff platform who was quoted to love tariffs more than anything implement tariffs on everything
>biggest foreign market for farmers take their business elsewhere
>farmers demands gibesmedats

>before they get any gibesmedats, tariff mango gives Argentina foreign aid gibesmedats (he ran against foreign aid btw)
>because Milei is le based ebin maymay rightwinger and his ass is on fire due to blatant corruption
>Argentina takes the money and sells China the farm products they used to buy from American farmers
You cannot make this shit up. It would be the height of comedy if not for the fact that we have to live a reality with people this retarded.

>>722624863
Joja or Community Center?

>>722642784
The only thing worse than the blatant corruption of conservatives, is the stupidity of the people who vote for them.

>>722644016
You don't get it.

>>722641215
You can say that about any voters with confidence in their choice be it red or blue, green is just no different.

>>722644093
>You just don't understand why people would vote for their own economic ruin because they've been suckered by the conservative biased media latest culture war.
Don't you lecture me with your $120 haircut

>>722644302
You;re almost there. Who owns these parties?

I tried to play stardew but the NPCs were in the same location every day and it felt so static and unchanging and I just didn't like that. I was expecting like a dwarf fortress type personality thing with the NPCs

>>722644340
You can argue that the two parties both serve the ultra rich elites, but these farmers had a choice (even if it was the illusion of one) and they picked the tariff choice over the non-tariff choice. It was not a smart move.

>>722644340
Conservatives doing what conservatives always do, trying to return us to the feudal era of oligarchs because America is under a right wing uniparty.
The New York election made that insanely clear again since the one guy who wants to tax the rich and crack down on corruption is the evil communist being attacked by both parties and the conservatively biased media.

>>722624863
>socialism is when you're a land-owner and cultivate your property to sell products on the market

>>722633476
In socialism, people with high positions get wealth and luxury and pass that down to their kids anyways and block the common people from reaching their level. Nothing changes.

>>722636338
Explain the difference in video game terminology.

Downloaded SV today when I saw that findom Haley mod but I uninstalled on the third day I was getting bored out of my mind

>>722644836
That's just capitalism again

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>>722624863
I'm a Georgist.

>>722646697
Why?

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>>722646824
I just want all taxes gone and one single tax on land as land cannot be offshored or hidden and it makes speculators extinct and allows people to own homes on that land with a much smaller down payment you also get way more efficient use with land and basically solve equality issue the shit socialism failed to do. That is all

>>722647035
Also this has proven to work in place like Pennsylvania unlike socialism and communism