Did you fall for it?
nope. don't even know what it is.
I wonder what those triangles mean
>>722625024No, I've seen people complain about it before I ever played the game.
Yes. My 4 year old brain couldn't figure out an unintuitive game mechanic the first time I approached it.
Never forget this mindbroke boomers so hard Sega tip hotlines were flooded with it.
>>722625024i figured it out when i had the game when i was 8. it did take a few weeks of trying. it was probably the first time i ever systematically eliminated possibilities for a problem
>>722625024I got trough as a kid but got stuck as an adultTurns out i became retardeder over timeI blame 4chan
look im a 21 year old zoomie that loves s3&k ("100%" the original emulated with all characters and versions) and was told about this barrel, but really, wouldnt any of you boomers just think "well its bouncing up and down, maybe i need to follow its rhythm?"dooooooown and uppp and downit sounds rather simple to figure out?
Is this Baltro?
>>722625648bait, but i'll bite. no where else in the game does an object work like this one, and in no other place do you press up and down for anything other than looking up or crouching to spin dash
>>722625024Once you actually play this it's ez.
it fucking did, how was I supposed to know, stupid barrel of stagnation
>>722625024I WAS 7 FUCKING YEARS OLD
>>722625718if you jump on it and it doesnt move any much more, what other option do you think you'd have retard? press down and up with it, since clearly jumping on it isnt working, if u were mashing all your buttons in an autist rage last resort surely you'd notice or feel sooner or later the barrel moving down and up slightly more with the inputs. its very evident on screen, i just think you guys arent autistic enough
Fuck yes it filtered us hard. My sister and I got past it once with dumb luck and made a save in the next level. Never did find out the correct way to do it until I saw one of these threads decades later. I called her a few years ago to tell her about the right way to do it. Also told her the secret to outrunning the Yeti in ski-free. Blew her mind.
>>722626564https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FakeDifficulty
>>722626564If you time your jumps on it, it gets pretty close to working which could trick a lot of kids.>uThere's no rush to finishing your posts, you don't need to take shortcuts. Take your time, we'll still be here.
>>722626564Children at that age are shit at problem solving dude. Combine that with it being a bunch of people's first or even only game with nothing to compare it to.
People that couldn't figure it out don't have apples in they head
>>722626886People that couldn't bruteforce it with perfectly timed jumps need to hand in their g4m3r card, fucking posers
>>722625648zoom zoom who first played it on ps2, it's really easy if aren't a bitch who timed out once and went to bitch about instead of taking the time to figure it out on your own>>722625718>no where else in the gamethe entire zone has them, you had plenty of time to get familiar with it beforehand accidentally or not. it is not the game's fault you're retarded
>>722626564>>722626749You can get through by jumping, it's just unreasonably difficult to do so and wasn't intended.
>>722625024itt: People who first played the game when they were adults trying to dunk on literal children from 30 years ago
>>722627048>when they were adultsi was 13 and could figure this out without a guide
>>722627048thank you for providing nothing but inane schizophrenic strawmanning
Honestly I never knew this was an issue until I heard people talking about it a decade later. Pressing the buttons to go in that direction was just a completely intuitive thing to me as a child.
I played Sonic 3 for the first time in like 2009 and I still got stuck on this. I can't believe people thought Sonic compared to Mario.
If you use the downthrust function of the bubble shield, you can just push it down enough. Me and my friend figured that out before we figured out the right way.
>>722625605I loled.
>>722625024No, I did not. I did try jumping on it at first which didn't work, but I eventually figured it out on my own. The only time I remember getting really stuck in a Sonic game was the Labyrinth Zone boss fight in Sonic 1 (had to ask my older brother for help)It's hard to recall exact details from nearly 30 years ago, but if I were to guess:>Tried jumping for a while, didn't work>Tried ducking/spin dashing, didn't work>Eventually tried to look up>Noticed that it moved when I did>Pressed up and then downSo for me it was just process of elimination with the limited amount of actions and inputs you have in Sonic 3. Eventually, out of the like four or five actions total you can do, one worked. It's honestly bizarre to me this stumped so many kids. Feels like a lack of patience and/or initiative to just try random shit until something works.I think I also got kinda stuck during a water part in Scrap Brain(?) but I can't grasp the memory.
>>722627768I don't think this is true. Feel free to prove me wrong though.
>>722626886Ayo y 5 gotta be black
>>722625024Every single person in this fucking thread jumped on it first, some figured it out, some didn't. Why this needed a thread is retarded
>>722625084Nothing. Because all of the barrels have them but not all of the barrels function like the one OP is referring to.
>>722625024yeah
>>722627902It works, it's how I got through it as a kid, the game can glitch out and put you in the wall to the right and you get stuck.
>>722625024It's funny because if it didn't move up and down when you jumped on it, people would've figured it out instantly.
>>722625024It's an issue with feedback. The barrel goes up and down when you jump on it, so the natural thing to do is try jumping more to make it move more. The way you interact with everything in a Sonic game is by jumping.Instead, for some reason what you're supposed to do is stand still on it and press up and down which now magically make it move up and down???!!! That's not how up and down work anywhere else in the game, and since those are how you look up and down the player has already been taught those have a different function. It's never been done before or since for a reason.It's just an egregious example of bad game design that happens to be a broadly shared experience from back when Sonic was popular and most kids were playing the same games either at home or at a friend's house. Better days.
>>722625024Of course I did. It bounced when I jumped on it, I naturally assumed I was supposed to get enough momentum to get either up or down, since there were clear paths in both. Ran out of time.Even the level designer said this was bad game design because it gave the player misleading cues and didn't point them to the correct solution.
>>722625024It was meant to punish dumb kids for getting a genesis
Thread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwHiymSojk
>>722625024All games were unintuitive at the time. They wanted you to buy their official magazines or call their Nintendo/Sega help hotlines to make more money.
>>722625024This was the main reason that I never finished sonic 3 until several years later
>>722625024I played this on emulator as a kid and I only got past it once by accident so I made sure to back up the save
>>722625024Yes but my solution was to jump up and down enough then turn super sonic so it passes through me then pushes me down.It also meant that I never beat the game with Tails until much later.
I think what's annoying about it is there's no other situation in the game that does this, it just locks you in and forces you to figure it out. It's weird.
Fun fact: Sega's tip hotline at the time had a stock message explaining the Carnival barrel before you were actually connected to someone to ask your tip.
>>722626564>if you jump on it and it doesnt move any much moreit does retard, thats the problem>what other option do you think you'd have retard? press down and up with itif your first thought is to control it with your dpad like its a playable character, then you are a fucking retard> if u were mashing all your buttons in an autist rage last resort surely you'd notice or feel sooner or later the barrel moving down and up slightly more with the inputsyou'd also notice that it also moves when you jump, and also you will find yourself moving the dpad while you jump, further giving you the illusion of it working. You also have to remember that most of the objects in this game interact with Sonics momentum; springs, loops, the little spiral runway things, the hooped grapple hook things, rails, breakaway walls, the catapult things, pinball bumpers, etc.Your first instinct in a sonic game is NOT to sit still and fiddle with the dpad
>>722625024Spent what might have been hours trying to get enough momentum by jumping and looking for other ways through the level.Only beat it when I came back to the game years later.
>>722625024The problem is that jumping on the barrel gives immediate feedback and if you time your jumps you can get extremly close iircWhile looking up and down gives very little feedback and only when you consistently look up and down with the barrel after several cycles will you begin to gain height
I just jumped until I could leave, what's hard about it? That's clearly the intended way, the up/down was added for skilless retards.
>>722625024I was there, anon. I was there, thirty years ago. Staring at the screen, mindlessly trying to bounce on that damn barrel until the timer ran out. Truly, pure horror.
>>722625024I don't know. I just remember that the level overall was dogshit.
>>722630386based
>>722625024No, but me and my brother just timed our jumps we didnt know about holding down kek
>>722626886seeing the apple is correlated with lower iq
>>722625024I 100% got filtered by this in 1994 and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. I mostly just played 2 and knuckles without an added cart because of it.
The very first time I got to this I brute forced it by jumping up at the peak until it was low enough I got past. I remember because that's the only time I got even close to running out of time. I think I beat the level with like 15 seconds remaining or something.
>>722627902https://youtu.be/eCYA09qoL8o?t=52Personally I did it by autistically synchronising jumps with Sonic & manually controlling Tails but the video doesn't show that.
>>722625024For about a minute before I remembered that this is a Sonic game and any "solution" that takes that long doesn't exist. Then I remembered literally the zone before when I had to use the D-pad for the Robotnik fight and tried pressing up and down instead.
>>722625024I think so? though iirc I was playing with a friend so the two of us figured it out pretty quickly
>>722629564Yep. If anything you're more likely to figure it out if you're less experienced with video games, since you'd be less aware of how out of place the mechanic is
>anyone who said they figured this out on their own as a kid must be LYING!!!Just try to imagine being such an insecure faggot. I can't.
>>722633821No one is saying that. What people are saying is that it's objectively poorly designed and there's plenty of reason to not figure out the intended solution as a result. It's you fags having a melty about that that's the problem.
>>722629564>if your first thought is to control it with your dpad like its a playable character, then you are a fucking retardAnd if your last thought is "jumping no work it impossible" when you only have a handful of other things you can try, you must be a fucking genius.
>>722633904>It's you fags having a melty about thatHilarious coming from a quitter who gave up because a game threw them one curve ball
>>722634054I didn't, though. >>722631849You on the other hand are just proving the point.
>>722633969Jumping does work though, how many times does this need to be said?
iirc i ran out of time once but i figured it out on my own after that.
>>722625024How the fuck was I supposed to know pressing up and down on the dpad affects this thing?I just tried to time my jumps so that I landed as it was about to start falling and hope I could build enough momentum to get it low enough
>>722625605It's literally only hard on emulators because of input lag.
>>722634217Where's the webm
>>722634113If you found a way around it, however ass backwards, then clearly that wasn't meant toward you. On the other hand, if you're so traumatized from muddling past a awkward mechanic in 1994 - enough to jump to the defense of those getting pissy about it itt - then maybe it is after all.
>>722625024I got stuck a few times then eventually figured it out when I was like 6. Despite figuring it out on my own, I can safely say it was horribly designed.
>>722634561>I can't stop gloating about how I figured out the correct solution and I think this makes me really cool, no I am not interested in discussions about game design in any capacity, how could you tell?
>>722634217>Jumping does work thoughNot well enough to reasonably pass the obstacle. After trying for a while, you should think to try something else. Your remaining options are spin dash and pressing the dpad, the only other buttons you have available. If you keep at it and keep trying, ANYONE should figure it out.But if you don't, you wind up in threads like this accusing other people of suffering your same myopia and getting all up in arms when they do not
>>722634709>Not well enough to reasonably pass the obstacle.I awlays did it with jumping and i never had any real problems with it. Its not that hard
>>722634638>I can't stop gloatingIf you think I'm gloating that's on you, and you alone. I'm stating a simple fact, that it's strange that so many people were apparently forced to give up here and apparently still feel bad about it to this day
>>722634709>Your remaining options are spin dash and pressing the dpad, the only other buttons you have available.Which doesn't result in apparent feedback unless you're already completely still (and which gets further fucked with if you have the AI Tails jumping around). Why do you refuse to accept the argument that it's simply poorly designed when even the level designer himself could admit these flaws?
>>722634769Your timing must be impeccable then. Well done. Mine wasn't, so I had to try something else. Luckily pressing up on the controller and noticing something wasn't beyond me
>>722634837Like it apparently was for so many other people.
I remember playing this with a friend. We were able to get through using the jumping method. I would play as Tails and he would use the spin dash. It was possible to time it and create a small gap and get through.
>>722630386using super sonic is cheating
>>722632309>literally the zone before when I had to use the D-pad for the Robotnik fightWhat did he mean by this?
>>722626749>If you time your jumps on it, it gets pretty close to working which could trick a lot of kids.Yeah, this is what fucked me over. I seemed to be making progress by jumping properly, but just couldn't do it. My cousin and I stopped playing for a bit and had dinner. Came back and fucked around with it for another hour before figuring it out. We were mad.
>>722625648I mean, there has to have been at least one kid some long thirty years ago that got through just by button mashing in frustration.That, and it is actually possible to get through the Doom Barrel the same way you get through the others, it's just more difficult and, iirc, requires the bubble shield. I've done it before.
>>722626564the first one works with timed jumping so naturally you would assume that they work off of timed jumping B
>>722625024I was 5 years old when it released of course I did
>>722625024I never could figure out the proper way so i would use a bubble shield and bounce enough until id glitch down
>>722626564You actually can barely get through by bouncing on it
>>722625024For about 2 or 3 deaths from timeouts, then figured out the trick.
>>722625024I was able to brute force it by using the second controller with tails, to jump continously and pass through the gap. Im sue in the middle I was actually pressing up and down sometimes, and that was what made the difference when I actually was able to get through. I didnt find the truth until much later, as an adult.
>>722625024What's funny is that not only is this gameplay mechanic effectively only used in one part of one Sonic stage in one game, it's also pretty much the only time it's ever used in any game ever.I legitimately can't think of any other game ever, before or after, that has ever used a mechanic where you crouch and uncrouch to get an object to go up and down until it's high/low enough to let you pass.
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>>722627021Yeah, this is exactly what I did back in the day. Jumping with Tails using the second controller at the same time helps but it's still hard.
