It's been 10 years and i still have such a complicated love/hate relationship with MGSV.
Otakon didn't suffer.
>>722625861FPWP
Meanwhile I have a very uncomplicated hate-hate relationship with MGS 4Always had, still have, always will have. Until I'm dead.
>>722625478>Otacon >sufferDude cucked his dad to death, created a giant death robot and completely fumbled reconnecting with his step sister before she died. How has he suffered? Because some woman he had a crush on died even though that woman didn't care about him? Or because some other bitch who he had a one night stand with died?The only people who suffer are people around him.
>>722626254You would've suffered too if you lost your young sibling just like he did
MGS sucks
>>722626254This, MGS4 Otacon fucking reeks of fanfiction tier dev self-insert. Huey was based and entertaining
>>722625478WTF is Kojima's problem with this type of person? He wanted people to hate Otacon, but they didn't. So he created Huey and made him worse, but even then he made Huey right about what he was saying, so he still failed to get people to hate Huey as much as he wanted. Did a bunch of anime nerds wedgie Kojima on the flagpole when he was a kid? His obsession with getting people to hate the Otacons of the world just isn't natural.
>>722625861His faggot dad put him in a metal gear as a baby, killed his real mother, and played the victim the whole time. Imagine having to grow up with that, not to mention the whole incest and suicide thing, whatever happened there
>>722625861>oneitis died without him getting to fuck her>brocon imouto died without him getting to fuck her>gets a gf, she immediately gives herself cancer and dies>daughter ends up with George
>>722627058>incest and suicideIt wasn't incest, she was his step mom. And cucking your dad so hard that he kills himself is just about the most alpha Chad thing you can possibly do
>>722627058You niggers will say this but then act like Shinji is a bitch.
Huey didn't give a shit if other people suffered or not, he just wanted to make huge mechs no matter what it cost (other people)
>"I suffered so I'll make sure they suffer even more"
It's a dog. Fuck you, Huey
>>722627489He's the stand in for the Japanese's eternal hatred over being nuked. 80 years later and they're still all seething about having lost the war. Seething because losing the war is a constant reminder that they're not naturally superior than everyone else.
>>722627058>whole incest thingIncest? What incest? I can't remember any of that shit from MGSV
>That feeling when you first started to realize that every goddamn cutscene in the game was already in the trailers
>>722627971In MGS2 it's revealed that Hal's step-mom groomed and raped him. Huey's response to this was attempted murder-suicide of Emma.
>>722627403Shinji never once acted unreasonably or cowardly - he just didn't know what he wanted
>>722627012I never got the impression that he wanted you to hate Otacon, he's one of the best characters in the series and treated as a tragic hero.Huey was obviously meant to play with your expectations by having the same appearance/voice but the opposite character.
>>722627012>So he still failed to get people to hate HueyPlenty of people who played MGSV hated Huey for killing their innocent DD soldiers who did nothing to him
>>722628229Source or that shit didn't happened
>>722628564The source is the fucking game retard-kun.
>>722628564https://youtu.be/xOmMNVEOz6I?si=uUqrI43Rap48zypy&t=123https://youtu.be/dw5OY20JJjQ?si=w4kNGUQZZSS0aN0P&t=318
>>722628791Your mistake is thinking that dribbling retard played the game. What he wanted was a wiki link, better yet a timestamped link to a video essay so he doesn't have to read.
>>722625478What's complicated about it?>the gameplay is great>the story sucks
>>722628373>I never got the impression that he wanted you to hate OtaconMe neither, until Kojima stated it himself in interviews that he wanted people to hate Otacon and was shocked when they didn't. That's the entire reason he made Huey, because it was his 2nd attempt to try and make people hate that archetype.>>722628497Yeah, people hated Huey because he called out the Diamond Dogs on their bullshit and many players put themselves in the place of the Diamond Dogs. The writing in MGS5 is just so bad though. We've got Ocelot saying that he can get the truth out of anyone, that he even has a special truth serum that works 100% of the time. Yet all his torturing of Huey doesn't get him the answers he wants, so he assumes Huey is lying. Hey, Ocelot, I thought you said before you used that Serum that Huey would 100% be telling us the truth. Now because you're not getting the answer you want, you do a 180 on it. Kojima really wants the player to hate Huey, but still writes him as being right about everything and not guilty of the accusations against him. Such terrible writing in that game.After MGS3, it became really obvious that nobody was reigning in Kojima anymore and he went totally off the leash. Nobody was willing to step in anymore and tell him that his ideas were stupid and needed refined.
>>722625861He got abused by his father and molested by his stepmother, which led to his dad killing himself and almost killing his sister, ruining their relationship forever. Then tricked into making nuclear death machines and having his first love killed by his soon to be best friend/husband.
>>722628956Holy fucking shit MGS is more unhinged than i remember
>>722629165>Interrogator claims his torture always works and gets him the truth>But if it's not what he wants to hear he doesn't believe it anywayWow, what terrible writing. I wonder what point the writer could've been making about the characters with that.
>>722625478sony's a shit in our moooouuuuuuthhhhhhhsssssony's a shit in our MO0000OOOOUUUTHHHHSHSSSduu duuuu duuuudududuududuuuu duududududududu duduudu dooo dooooo
>>722629364But he doesn't make the point about Ocelot being wrong. Everything is framed as Ocelot being right and that somehow Huey is still holding out on them. Framing matters and the way all those scenes was framed was to make Huey look bad, even though the writing didn't support it.>I wonder what point the writer could've been making about the characters with that.Buddy, Kojima's writing isn't that complex. He gives his characters name like Fragile, because she's fragile, the Fear, because he invokes fear, the End, because he's at the end of his life, Fat Man, because he's named after the nuke and likes bombs but he's also actually fat too, and other such names where he just wants to smash you in the face with the idea. Kojima's writing isn't good enough because the point the writer was trying to make is that Huey was bad and lying and that Ocelot was actually right, unlike what you're trying to imply with your snark.
>>722627012Everyone hates Huey though, even if he's right. Like he did succeed at that. Did he ever explain why he wanted people to hate Otacon because aside from being a retard who unwittingly helps make nuclear death machines he doesn't do anything villainous or bad, he has a very positive and heroic character arc
>>722625478*fucks mom and makes crippled dad drown himself*
no, faggot, you will not have your student loans forgiven when I worked to pay mine off.
>>722630012jokes on you, joe biden already forgave mine because of my autism
>>722629734That's not the whole point though, and also Huey is bad though. Even if his critique of DD is right, and it is, he himself is still a hypocrite piece of shit just as bad as them. It's two assholes fighting with each other and you play from the perspective of one of the assholes.
>>722629807>Everyone hates Huey thoughNo. I don't. Huey did nothing wrong. There's nothing to hate. If anything, he's made out to be sympathetic.It's the classic writing blunder of trying to make a hated character, but all the other characters around them hate him for everything he does, no matter what he does. So instead of the character being hated, he becomes sympathetic, because why the fuck is everyone shitting on him? To clarify, I don't like Huey, but I don't hate hate him either. At most, I think I pity him.>Did he ever explain why he wanted people to hate OtaconNot that I can recall. I think he just really didn't like the anime culture and thought others wouldn't as well. Kojima didn't understand that the anime stigma didn't exist in the west.> aside from being a retard who unwittingly helps make nuclear death machinesI believe in Kojima's mind, he thought that was reason enough for people to hate him. Just the classic Japanese hating on everything nuke related purely because they were on the receiving end of it.>he has a very positive and heroic character arcI agree. Otacon's a cooler dude than he realizes and does his best to help out Snake, no matter what he's personally going through at the time. He's a true bro.
>yfw playing MGS2 for the first time as a kid and Otacon starts describing having an incestuous relationship with his mother while his sister drowns and father kills himselfKojimbles was this necessary
>>722630596You're not supposed to be playing this as a kid lol
>>722630245Which is probably why Huey didn't bother me. I didn't get personally invested in the Diamond Dogs so I didn't take Huey's words personally, which I suspect many players did. I'd argue that Huey is not as bad as them though, considering he's always being forced to work for others through torture. He doesn't owe loyalty to any of those fuckers. Besides, they're all just stockholm syndromed into working for Venom because of Ocelot's torture.
I started off as an Otacon but became a Huey as I got older.
>>722630542>No. I don't.You don't but he's incredibly hated by the vast majority of people, understandably as he has no positive traits at all really. I feel bad for him too but he's a piece of shit, an exaggeration of a type of person you probably meet in real life. And in universe all the characters have very good reasons to hate him.
>>722630748
>>722630875>but he's incredibly hated by the vast majority of peopleYeah, and normies are retarded. What's your point?>in universe all the characters have very good reasons to hate him.Not as good of reasons as he has to hate them.
>>722629165Huey literally doesn't think he's lying because the "truth" is a flexible concept to him. If something is convenient to him in the moment, it becomes true to him.
>>722631101Are you trying to tell me that Kojima based an entire character off of a single episode of Seinfeld? Was he aware that was a joke? Rhetorical, of course he wasn't aware.
I dont get it. What does "hes called vamp because hes bisexual not because hes a vampire" even mean? it is a joke about how gays suck cocks like how vampires suck blood?
>>722631101You know what, fuck it. Fine. Huey gets to have a superpower too. He can have extreme mind powers like Psycho Mantis I guess.
>>722631642Anon, I've been wondering that for over 20 years now. At this point, I just assume that something got lost in translation.
>>722631642A vamp is a woman who acts seductively to attract men so it means he loves cocks.
>>722630748kids were literally the target audience
>>722631757Never heard that before. It's got to be a purely Japanese thing.
>>722625861>>722625478>Conservatives not only downplaying everything Huey did since they align with the 'everyone else should suffer' but they're intentionally downplaying everything Otacon went through.
>>722631642https://www.dictionary.com/browse/vamp#american-vamp-1-verb-intransitive
>>722631642>>722631674>>722631757>>722632523Did you say 'nerd'?
>>722632523It's American English but not used very often in the modern day, and is still derived from vampire myth of them having powers of seduction they use to trap prey.
>>722625478If you havent realized that Kojima is a hack by now then youre beyond helping.
>>722634889Blaustein's MGS1 and the subsequent TTS made me truly see.
>>722627245>"I wanted you to see me as a women"Dude has ridiculous pull for family members and near death chicks.
>>722628106>see that CHAPTER 2 screen>"oh, fucking awesome. No wonder everything was already in the trailer. It was only the first part!">Chapter 2 is in name only and it's just a bit of NG+ content
>>722625861why would someone trollpost on /v/?
Always thought it was dumb as shit that Otacon is just as heavily tied into the Metal Gear lineage as Solid Snake. The whole point for Otacon was that he was a random engineer hired by DARPA to make Metal Gears, and he agreed to because it was his dream to work on sick giant robots. Snake sparing him on a whim sparked his allegiance, and then in turn his friendship.It's double dumb because the Patriots stuck their grubby AI claws into everything even remotely related to Big Boss, so why leave Otacon alone if he's the son of Huey, who worked on the first Metal Gears with Big Boss?
>>722625861Based>fucked his mother>fucked his sister>have fun hobbies>adopted and is now grooming the daughter of the armpit hair feministDude is a gigachad pretending to be one of us
>>722634889She said nothing wrong and I didn't even bother pretending that. Tanukana is right. Also, cuteIn fact, I really don't understand "males" that get upset over the words any female say. They are all small, frail, and stupid. It's like getting mad at children
>>722638068she won't fuck you simp
>>722638274As long as we are in the same location, and there are no people and cameras around, she doesn't have a say in it
>>722637715This is a common flaw of prequels. The need to continually create connections and shit that previously weren't there or even implied to be. Makes the world feel so small and stupid. See Star Wars for a classic example.
>>722640578>need to continually create connections and shitDon't need to, hack writers just choose to
>>722627058Whatever happened there?
>>722625861Snake never gave him a big smooch :(
>>722637715I mean, in his first appearance he goes on about how the Emmerich bloodline is cursed to work on nuclear weapons.
>>722641798Yeah, cause they worked in the Manhattan project and nuclear bombs. It's a bit different when Hal's dad had basically the same relationship with Snake's dad making the same type of giant mecha.
>>722637715>It's double dumb because the Patriots stuck their grubby AI claws into everything even remotely related to Big Boss, so why leave Otacon aloneTPP actually has an answer for this. Strangelove created the foundation of the Patriots AI, and wrote in a deeply hidden prime directive to take care of Hal.
>WHAAAAT??? My bipedal mech with a tail gun on its arm and a mounted machine gun for a penis was used…for bad Guy stuff??????Was otocon retarded?
>>722642454He thought he was working for DARPA on a defense contract, not for terrorists aiming to hold the United States hostage.
>>722628229Dont forget the same sequence having Emma imply she wants to fuck her brother
>>722629165Huey genuinely believes he did nothing wrong, in fact, some can even argue he really didnt participate in the sabotage of XOF and its why he crumbles so easily when confronted about Strangelove because he DID kill herRegardless, Ocelot does interrogate him a lot even addresses that if Huey truly believes hes telling the truth then theres nothing he can do about it except long term psycho therapy, if you just mindlessly torture someone they will just lie and make shit up so you stop hurting them like the Nuremberg confessions
>>722642719>he thought he was working for [glowies], not terroristsso thats a yes
>>722631674Its not a super power, it happens in common people, hes a compulsory liar, my own grandma is one and she repeatedly lies about things
