Just trust the plan

Be a Sega

>>722641896
Racing sony to the bottom

>>722642548
It wasn't a race xbox just jumped without a parachute.

Phils just fishing the golden parachute at this point

I dunno but I have Microsoft Rewards that pays more than my job, sir

>>722641896
>what's the end goal?
Google stadia 2

They're fucked. The only option is to go nuclear and take a huge L on profit in the short term to undercut the PS5 by a shitload so that people might consider getting it to play fifa and cod. But we know they won't.

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Am I the only one that enjoys Xbox? Everywhere I go people just shits on it, but I would go as far as say the Series X has been my favorite console ever

>>722644428
what is it that you enjoy about xbox?

>>722644428
You'd also say the same thing about the ps5 if you got that instead and you wouldn't say that about xbox if you had both because xbox has a worse library. People shit on it for very very good reason.

>>722644428
Xbox in a vacuum is just fine. It's just redundant.

Gamepass is 15 euros on pc, where did you find the 30.

>>722641896
>what's the end goal?
gut the gaming department and put more resources into cloud and AI

>>722641896
I assume they’re doing all they can to try and make money before Microsoft inevitably ends them

>>722644528
For instance, that Microsoft just throws money at you, like, I have $140 in rewards and I'm not even a pajeet grinding it 24/7 with multiple accounts, it's just a nice mini-passive income to get free/heavy discounted games.

I like gamepass, this is probably the console generation I have played the most games and spent the least amount of money. If you knew where to look at, you could get 3 years of rewards at $2 per month, the last time I renew my 3 years the average was $4 per month, that's stupidly low.

Sure, there's some Playstation games I would like to try like Spiderman (just the first one), Stellar Blade and Astrobot, but not that much to leave gamepass and rewards.

I don't know if I will buy the next console (if there's one to begin with) since Microsoft is finally stopping burning their money to attract people, but I don't regret getting a SeX.

>>722641896
Every business has fully shifted to pricing their products at the upper bound of what they expect the customer to pay, not somewhere between that upper bound and the lower bound of what they'd need to charge to break even.

They slam everything full of ads they charge pennies for instead of making advertisers pay more for fewer ad slots.

They're all trend chasing retards who think they're missing out on money if they don't adapt the other guy's business model to their own industry.

They've stopped registering that the economy is made up of many individuals, all with their own needs and desires and started thinking of it as an arbitrarily large pool of money that you can squeeze an arbitrarily large share out of just by pressing the right buttons.

That's not what capitalism is. Capitalism requires that everyone, from the investor at the top, to the business owner, to the manager, to the employee, to the customer, has some negotiating power. When the investors are the only ones who get to set the price for labor and the products it creates, that's just a guild-based mercantile system, which is fucking bad.

>>722644528
notice how there's no response

>>722644627
the Series X factually has better hardware than the PS5. That's about it. if Xbox actually cared they could've taken advantage of that fact.

>>722645081
it's funny how zoomers have so little understanding of what an investor actually is

>>722645081
It doesn't matter, I'm simply not buying unless there is a sale.

>>722644627
I carefully pondered whether to get a SeX or a PS5 4 years ago, but Sony was just like Nintendo, they believe they can get away with everything because they have the majority of the playerbase and the journalist sucking their dick, but if you took a moment to consider, you would realize there was no reason to buy a PS5. Concord and the 10+ canceled live-service games confirmed I made the right choice

>>722645173
Investors are the top of the food chain, and they, either collectively, or individually, have the power to influence the choices that either the primary ownership or executive staff, depending on the arrangement, make. Generally, they do this through an implicit threat of divestment. If the business can't afford to honor its agreement with the shareholder, whether that's through buying back shares or paying out the value the investor is owed, that's a problem, it can compromise their operations and plans going forward. The only other way to avoid that is to find a different investor or investors to buy the shares or replace the funds and absorb that burden rather than the company itself.

>>722645121
I've yet to see a game that looks better on XSX than PS5

>>722645697
Investors own the business. They fund it. Everybody else is an employee, hired by the investors. If you lend a buddy some money for his startup, you're an investor. Your bank giving you a loan for a car means they invested in you.

>>722645963
They own PART of it. And often, they take that partial ownership on behalf of other people as part of large funds. The people who represent those funds cannot be concerned with anything but making the business's valuation grow, because that's the product they're offering to their clients.

A business that's wholly, or primarily owned by the people who operate it has much more flexibility to prioritize the employee and the customer, which is healthier for the whole economy, because it leaves more discretionary spending capacity in the hands of the levels that actually drive the economy, and it makes them better consumers. And all that value actually circulates instead of sitting in bank accounts or tied up in shares.

>>722641896
I'm convinced Microsoft just wanted to end xbox

Series X was the Game Pass machine, as in all games are tested on that system first to play and function as seamless as possible;e. Without GP what the fuck do I even need it for?

>>722646254
They own all of it. even privately-owned businesses are still funded by investors, it's just in that case the initial investors never offered part of their share up for public trading.
you're effectively proposing the seizure and redistribution of property.
>It should be owned by the workers
and there it is

>>722644428
I loved my 360, then Windows 8 happened.

>>722644782
Ultimate edition increased to $30

>>722646523
I didn't say that it should be owned by the workers. I said that it should be owned by people who aren't treating it like a ponzi scheme. Investment funds take Boomers' retirement accounts and promise them constant growth on that money.

As a relevant example, Valve is owned by very few people, whose priority is on long term success and stability, not necessarily maximum efficiency and growth on paper. They stay profitable by having relatively few, high value employees and prioritizing the customer, even if some features won't be used much, and they almost never cut features out. They hold the overwhelming majority of the market share in a fully capitalized industry of direct to consumer digital distribution of video games.
By contrast, Epic can't compete with Steam, because they're not concerned with the customer at all. They want to have as many employees as possible that they pay as little as possible, to show scale and growth to their investors. They struggle to implement features, cut existing ones and prioritize the value they provide to other businesses at the expense of the actual customer. So no one adopts EGS. And they have the audacity to call Steam an onerous monopoly, even though their product isn't even comparable. There's a clear difference in philosophies and structure. One is obviously much better for more people than the other is, and also self evidently more successful.

>>722646376
Emulation and homebrew?

>>722647120
You don't need ultimate on pc.
You get day one new games for 15.

>>722647316
>day one*

*5 days later

>>722647205
again, anyone who puts up money to start a business is an investor. GabeN himself is an investor in Valve, because he put his own money up to fund the creation of it. That's all an investor is; someone who funds a business. My point was, zoomers fundamentally don't know what the word means so when they see it they (like you) imagine a shadowy cabal of propagandists weaseling their way into control of a company with the company being none the wiser, and then using their money sorcery to force the company to do stuff it doesn't want to do. You think anticonsumer = investor, pro-consumer = no investor. You don't know what 'investor' means.

I’m glad they got rid of exclusives but I don’t know how they planned to survive it. I remember a few years ago at e3 the only exclusive they showed was Age of Empires… exclusive to PC. If you don’t have exclusives, if you have the Xbox controller, and you have paid online services, I just don’t see the selling point. And having to wait because it takes extra time to make games work in the series S would drive me up the wall.

The xbone was the only console I got and seeing they removed the ability to play music in the background, THE selling point of a 360, I sold it a week later. Haven’t even given the series s/x a second thought

>>722647617
I'm talking about INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS. Entities where that's their primary function. People and organizations who make their money almost exclusively through returns on investment rather than dividends or a regular income. That's why I made a distinction between investors and business owners. Institutional Investors want nothing but growth. Owners want a stable business that turns a profit and pays everyone what they're worth. Yes, including themselves.
It's about time preference and priorities, not the system itself.

>>722645064
You could go to PC and get both you goybucks and playstation exclusives.

>>722642818
Pretty much, both PlayStation and Xbox had similar eras but Microsoft speed ran that shit. PS1, PS2, and PSP were the gamer era, PS3 and PS Vita was the hardcore era, PS4 was the normalfag era, PS5 was the live-service era, PS6 will be the ecosystem era, after that the multiplat era. Xbox sped through the gamer, hardcore, and normalfag era within two generations, felt that casuals were the future and completely pivoted to that, when that didn't work they try to go back to hardcore and normalfag for a short period before choosing another pivot gamble, subscription, once that failed they just went multiplat. Going out without even a whimper.

>>722647857
you have no way of differentiating them from some random guy kicking his friend a few bucks on the handshake promise of getting paid back with interest.
The fact of the matter is, 90% of businesses founded since the time of the Renaissance have been reliant on outside financing, because most people simply don't have the means to do it themselves. You abolish "institutional investment" and all you do is ensure nobody who isn't already a billionaire is capable of starting a business. You think a middle class family starting their own restaurant was doing it out of pocket? no, they got a business investment from their local bank. Banks are definitionally "institutional investment". Well, now they can't anymore in your system.

Investors ARE owners. They paid for the business, and fund the hiring of employees. They then delegate day to day control to the likes of CEOs and other business management systems. No different than the aforementioned family restaurant hiring managers to run the business in their stead. At its core, you're arguing against people being able to own stuff they don't directly apply their labour to. That the family restaurant should have their restaurant seized if theyre not physically working in the kitchen themselves. That's why I summarised you comment to "the workers should own the means of production". whether you realise it or not, that is the end state of what you're suggesting.

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>>722648221
A bank with an agreement of "Pay us this much in dividends each period as agreed upon" is substantially different from a huge fund buying up control of a business and saying "We will pull all/most of our investment if you don't manage to hit X growth target consistently"

There's a problem when "We were able to pay all of our employees, maintain all of our physical assets sufficiently, and turn the same profit this quarter as we did last quarter." Is cause for panic.

There is no end goal. I work for Microsoft in Europe and they do not plan ahead. Microsoft is so incredibly bloated and mismanaged, they are just too big to fail, at least for now. They don’t plan for the long term, the way they manage their projects and departments is purely reactive. They hopped onto the AI bandwagon and hoped for the best, rebranded a bunch of departments to include AI in their name, layoff a bunch of people, it obviously backfired and then expect each person to do the work of 3 people when shit hits the fan. The upper management obviously wasn’t affected. It’s such a shitshow, feels like a bunch of downie toddlers are running the company. None of this shit is surprising to me.

Xbox has been floundering in dead last behind Nintendo and Sony for like two decades since they were neck-and-neck with the PS3

>>722641896
never go full jeet

>>722641896
monies

>>722649264
they really aren't. How do you think a credit card works? or a home loan?

>>722650097
A loan is an agreement between a customer and a financial institution. They provide a customer with sufficient funds to purchase something, with an agreement for those funds to be paid back, plus interest. That interest is some percentage of the principle that gets charged every payment period. If you pay back the loan in fewer periods, you pay less in interest. If you pay it back in more, you get charged more in interest. That's how the lender makes money, they don't actually lose their original money unless the customer defaults on the loan and goes bankrupt. and all of the interest is profit. And even if the customer does default. They can seize the customer's assets or garnish their wages.

For it to actually be the same, the bank would lend that money and expect the customer to pay them more and more in interest each period, and discourage or even disallow them to pay down the principle. And if the customer ever paid the same amount of interest multiple periods in a row, they'd demand full payment of the principle, plus the amount they had intended to gain over the lifetime of the loan in interest, all at once.

>>722650606
that is what a loan is, friend. there is no requirement that a business pays their investors ever-increasing lump sum cash bonds.
>this is where you cite the Dodge v Ford lawsuit meme image you've misinterpreted because you haven't studied the case or how it's been applied

>>722641896
>step 1 make product/platform
>step 2 make everyone love and buy your product/platform
>step 3 destroy the competition to your product/platform
>step 4 make new product/platform
>step 5 destroy your own platform forcing everyone to your new product/platform you just made
In Microsoft case, they were trying to force people to PC aka WINDOWS. The problem is they forgot step 1 and just started destroying their own platform before giving anyone a single fucking reason to switch to Shitbox. The only reason Xbox is even still around is because Microsoft prints money...anyone else and Xbox would be playing spades with the shadow realm with the Dreamcast...but since Microsoft prints money and can bleed nonstop money with Xbox and still stay afloat...Xbox is here to stay, unfortunately. It's so sad because it's been 2 straight generations of nonstop fucking failure, you'd think they'd take a hint by now but they just keep doubling down on the retard shit.

>>722651260
>they forgot step 1
I meant they forgot step 3.*

I think MS is simply done spending infinite money on Xbox year after year with no real returns. they invested so much on trying to gain market dominance and it ended up being destroyed by an entire generation of gamers who have only and will only ever play Fortnite.

So now the only way to have Xbox exit the competition is by burning it all to the ground. MS literally doesn't have any other way to end this 20 year experiment.

>>722644627
>>722644717
I have a PS5 and I only ever used it to play Rebirth and Astro Bot. Fucking regret buying that thing. Rest of my playtime is on my Series X and Switch (2).

>>722641896
>what's the end goal?
Bleed as much money as possible before doing what they always wanted to do in killing off the xbox brand.

>>722651070
Businesses have to keep showing growth. There's no clean metaphorical equivalent that wouldn't be a stretch.

Of course they're not literally paying out all the growth itself to the investors. But those investors would sell off their shares and demand all that money back, plus the value the shares have accrued since they were bought, if that growth were to stop. Obviously, the business isn't going to just have all that cash on hand to buy their shares back, and it's unlikely someone else would buy those shares at the current price, because the issue at hand is that the business is failing to be a good growth investment. Their valuation and assets plummet, they don't have the resources to continue operating at their current scale, and it turns into a vicious cycle that could severely harm or even destroy the business entirely, or at least leave it with no choice but to be bought out.

That's the implicit threat that institutional investors hold over businesses, which is totally unlike a loan, which has a preestablished interest rate that doesn't care if the business grows or not as long as it gets paid.

Even if it's a bad idea in the long term, businesses have to fuck over their customers and make choices that only look good on paper from quarter to quarter.

>>722645064
What's your Rewards routine? I just feel that unless you play daily and make Bing your primary Searcher, you can't make it work

>>722651489
>businesses have to keep showing growth
no, they don't. it is purely to the discretion of the investors just how much stagnation or retraction they're willing to tolerate. Remember that Ubisoft's investors are still sticking to their guns despite the company having burned itself to the ground for a decade.

>they will demand the money back
you don't know how this works. the actual company doesn't owe investors shit. the payment for the investment comes from selling the stock. that's what they purchased; a percentage of ownership in the business. and they make their money hedging of selling that percentage of ownership. They can't force the business to buy the shares back.

the only threat they have is of selling the stock, which would reduce the value of the company and cause other investors to bail. losing the money the investee uses to hedge on new products. It is no different than a bank calling in on their loans to you all in one go. This is what happened in 2008, for the record; people over-leveraged on home loans getting slapped in the mouth by banks saying "pay us back now".

>>722651718
>It is no different than a bank calling in on their loans to you all in one go
A bank doesn't do that unless you're the one paying in less than you agreed to each period.
People got foreclosed on because they lost their jobs and couldn't keep up with their payments, and the banks weren't in a position to negotiate or adjust the terms because they were in a bad way too, not that they would anyway.

least jewish console

>>722649082
They call day one "early access" so that they can sell you on a day one that comes a week late. It's a scam and not in any way day one.

>>722651875
no, they also do it when they need liquid capital, like what happened in 2008. a severe market retraction started a bank run, and in a desperate need for physical cash the banks started calling in their home loans all at once which nobody could actually pay which caused banks to go bust.

>>722641896
Buying ABK was the end. 70B for ABK made the shareholders take a hard look at the Xbox division resulting in this mess. Xbox would be unironically better off if they outright bought SquareEnix, Sega and Capcom for around 25 Billion total.