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okay but when is the GOOD FFT game getting the remakerino
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I'd rather just have FFTA3.
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>>722646636
New kid is getting pretty damn tired of this remake nonsense.
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Based. FFTA mogs FFT so much it's insane.
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>>722646636
The debate over the ethics of what Marche did always overlooks the fact that Ivalice is Mewt's fantasy world. He can arbitrarily change the law whenever he wants and he chose to turn his school bullies into zombies. He's a tyrannical little shit and his behaviour would have gotten worse as he grew older.

This is presuming he can't reshape the world again if he doesn't like it anymore. If he hit puberty and decided he wanted a hard reset, Ivalice would be a much worse place to live in than before.
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>>722646636
Marche did nothing wrong. Mewt sacrificing other people's livelihoods to create an ideal world for himself is wrong
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I'd love a FFTA 1 + 2 remake, but from what I've seen the latest release is just a remaster
graphics
Is it too much to ask for an actual remake with the pixel art being redone in higher quality (while still being pixel art) rather than reusing the same pixel art with a filter?
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>>722648387
not really, there's nothing wrong if pieces of shit that are incompatible with high trust societies suffer, but all the good people live comfortably
but of course this entirely depends on who's in power and what they consider good or bad
every single criminal and mediocre sub human will twist their views to pretend they're in the right, so dialogue doesn't really help and the only way to guarantee the greater good is smiting the problems
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>>722648651
The problem with that is that Mewt is not strong enough to use his power in a responsible manner. Power instantly corrupts him and he refuses to relinquish it because he doesn't want to go back to being weak, manipulating laws, etc. to benefit him. As much as it's difficult to realise, bad actions do not make bad people, and bad people are not irredeemable. Mewt's creation of an ideal world includes ways for him to kill and inflict fates worse than death on people he believes deserve it, which says something negative about himself.
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>>722646636
>just want tactics kino
>judge system takes a steaming dump on you
>ragequit
>20 years later still no new tactics kino
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Marche is wrong and I agree with Mewt
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>>722649787
>filtered by actually having to think instead of charge spam
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>>722649787
>Black magic is banned
>Use sage magic instead
Idk how people got so filtered by this
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>>722646636
>first FFT is about political intrigue and what it means to be a hero, defining oneself not by who you are but by the actions you take
>FFTA is about awkward isekaislop with children and just a dash of political drama sprinkled here and there while having very awkward poorly aged things like OP's pic
Legit asking what were they thinking. Closest i can guess they wanted a Tactics game more friendly to a younger audience, but i don't know if a plot like the one we got did the trick.
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>>722649797
>I hate the world because... My hair is.. le white!
Most realistic depiction of a fucking woman
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>>722650020
>Political intrigue
You mean a bunch of non-characters with no personality other than 'muh power'? Why do retards like this shit so much?
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>>722650020
>bad political slop
>vs MARCHE KINO where people to this day are STILL arguing who's right
lol okay buddy
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>>722650020
>awkward isekaislop
Its pretty much the best well know Anti-isekai in generation. nothing make people seething that ESCAPISM IS BAD than this game. Exp33 is a good runner up on that message, though.
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>>722650187
There is no argument, it's like SOMA where people made up a conflict where there was none and called it deep because it divided the fanbase.
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He did nothing wrong.
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>>722648414
I don't think it's too much to ask to give fans the definitive way to play these games but Square Enix doesn't work that way.
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>>722646636
Shut up doned, no one cares about special needs kids
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>>722650261
You talk like FFT is so deep and philosophical
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>>722650261
t. mewt
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>>722650279
He deny me of a female Bangaa harem. Fuck you.
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>>722650301
Social class fight resonates better with humanity than debating if the reality around you is true or the byproduct of a child's fantasies. If you think that's retarded, i don't know what to tell you.
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>>722650286
They've done that by giving us a full modern PC remake on a platform with mod support.
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>>722650020
How can you call FFTA "isekaislop" when it not only long predates the trend, but a significant part of the game's message is that the characters shouldn't use the fantasy world as a means of running away from their problems?
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>It’s escapism! Can’t you see that!

Who was in the wrong here?
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Please stop playing Juggler + Templat
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Marche wants to take away the tall bunny women and expects me to think he's not the villain
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>>722650307
>implying
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>>722648414
>Ramza fell for the Wiegraf meme
I knew that he was a bit naive but god damn!
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FFTA2 was great.
>but muh 2deep4u story
Don't care, the gameplay is fun, managing and growing your gang is fun.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huDc5ylrHfg
Daily reminder that there is an ending in FFTA where Marche accept this new world and would later be a Judge for it.
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>>722646636
I like the judges but were there ever any mods that balanced the game?
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>>722650386
Marche on a technicality, because the world was not a dream or were they transported somewhere else, reality had been resharpen around them. Only reason Mewt was in the wrong is because Li Grim turned out to be a demonic parasite.
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>>722650365
>muh social issues pretentious prick filtered by a basic plot
it's not about the nature of reality and what is real or not, you moron, it's about escapism and it's benefits and dangers
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>>722650365
>Playing a ¥8,000 video game from the comfort of my air conditioned room with a refrigerator full of fresh food including rare fruits even kings of old could never dream of enjoying
>Ah yes these lower class peasants struggling to survive are literally me
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The real question, is Babus a shotacon
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>>722650261
If there's no arguments to be made, then you should be able to answer this, is escapism bad?
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>>722650457
what the HECK is this real
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>>722650457
>female Nu mou
Muh...
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>>722650476
>demonic parasite
This is not true, dipshit. She is just a genie and when Mewt accept to end the dream, Li Grim accept it. The only reason you fight Li Grim is because Mewt didn't accept leaving his fantasy world. Li Grim defend Mewt's decision until he change his mind.

EDI: FUCK AUTO CORRECT
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>>722650020
Marche was right.
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Loved how Expedition 33 is basically this same plot rehashed.
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I wish Final Fantasy Tactic Advanced is real bros
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>>722650623
Exp33 is more in your face and direct about it. Especially when Verso saw his mother being fucked over for escaping for too long.
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Oh boy, that autistic faggot with the demon sucking soul schizo headcanon is back. Its been 20 fucking years.
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>>722650705
The better question is how the FUCK did he convince his guild to join him considering they are just faceless npcs that wouldn't go along with this shit
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>>722650629
>no chocobunny gf
I cry myself to sleep every night...
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>>722648245
Pretty much the only counter-argument that people bring up against Marche in context of the actual plot is that Doned has legs.

Mewt's Ivalice was a shithole ruled by a child tyrant. For fuck's sake, the common people have to petition roving bands of mercenaries for help with putting out town fires because the judges are too busy putting people in jail for the crime of using potions.
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I'd definitely take an updated version of this. Bunny assassins were the best.
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If Mewt create the world, why doedn't he just make it has no way to be destroyed is he dumb?
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>>722650754
Yeah but you are stuck with most obnoxious crews ever
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>>722650381
To be fair it was also a common trend in 90s Japanese media due to the rise of the internet and hikikomori culture
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>>722650187
>where people to this day are STILL arguing who's right
Yes because this is a site of manchildren for whom the possibility of drowning in escapism is still an important topic
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>>722650705
He didn't destroy their happiness. He pointed out that their happiness was fake and they weren't any happier while in this fantasy. Ritz was still insecure about her hair color and her relationship with her mom still hadn't improve, Newt, deep down, know his mom was dead and retreat into an infantile state to cope with it. Donne still only care about himself while ignoring the people who care for him. None of them were happy, they just hid their problems away.
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>>722646636
Being a blue mage and having a monster farm was so much fun in FFTA
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>>722650365
yeh that's the point i dont want to play a fucking fantasy game with real world problems
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>>722651090
THAT'S ESCAPISM DON'T YOU SEE
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>>722650394
if this was an irl scenario this would be enough to rally an army to stop marche
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ZAMN
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these games are childy and gay
nobody wants them now, nobody wanted them then
its a shame cuz theyre very good, it's like a wind waker situation
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>>722646636
i love it still. it's my favourite game from my childhood. i replayed it many times.
fingers crossed, it would be lots of fun.
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ITT /v/anons seething because they also had a Marche in their life
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>>722651019
ritz didn’t have any hair to be insecure about
her mom no longer existed
if we accept that they were forever bound to ivalice separated from their original world across impermeable dimensions, then the problems actually went away and march just recreated them
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>>722650020
>first FFT is about political intrigue
It really isnt. At no point is the party actually involved in the factionalism and backroom dealings of a fracturing empire. You are only ever facing the enemy in front of you from the beginning until the end.
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>people who play the game always complain about judge being annoying
>in game plot explain there are people so tired of judge they inventing antilaw card and living in Jagged where they can die for real rather than getting jail for using heal on their friends.
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>>722646636
Hopefully never, I have remakeslop fatigue.
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>>722649787
>>722649835
>>722649976
the real filter is that you can check laws before going into a mission.
to change laws, you just have to walk back and forth on the map.
it's an incredibly easy system to exploit, you can do it until you get laws in your favour.
people shat themselves over it just because it was new and they didn't want to learn anything new.
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>>722651446
People don't like to be pigeonholed in SRPGs.
Look at Total War, FFT or whatever. Players want to doomstack, minmax, meta build and curbstomp the AI.
A system like the rules FFTA had is more of a puzzle aspect and that irks the "srpg enjoyer"
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Have they ever explain the pizza cutters that never in the game?
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>>722650020
>Legit asking what were they thinking.
it's literally the matrix question. Would you live in a world that isn't real?
You can argue that it is real, and Marche disagrees. It's not real to him. He wants the real world because this one is meaningless to him.
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>>722651557
Picrel
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>>722646636
literal children's story
game is so much worse than fft/to
it also looks like vomit
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>>722651573
I wouldn't want to live in a world with niggas wearing their hair like that and everybody thought it was okay
Wait...
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>>722651597
Two are staves/rods and Marche is wielding some sort of stylized Greatsword.
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>>722651418
If they ever try to remaster the game they should add in an option to make a lawless but permadeath everywhere mode.
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>>722651446
the only time i felt smart playing this as a kid was using a card to block magic while fighting an all mage guild
funniest shit i've ever seen
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>>722646636
Surely they will release 1 and 2 as a collection haha....
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>>722651446
It's hilarious that you can cheese Ultima by cycling days until you can enter the battle with a law against inflicting charm. The crystals only have one attack, and it potentially inflicts the status, so the AI will simply not take any actions.
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>>722651526
but you can still easily do that.
as i said, walk back and forth on the map. every step is 1 day, and every day has different laws.
you're supposed to be bothered by the system 1 or 2 times, and then figure this out.
the fact that people are still complaining about it years after is weird. i was a child with no internet when i learned the system.
>>722651748
yap i did that too. didn't need to cause i would win, but it was just fun to fuck around like that.
>>722651956
never thought about doing this though, lol. if they did a remake i would
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>>722652027
Where the heck did you live to not have internet by the time FFTA came out?
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>>722646636
Even though it was only released on the GBA, this game has had a much larger cultural impact than its predecessor in FFT, even though that game had multiple remakes. Even now, despite the remake just coming out, the people disregard it and choose to discuss Advance instead. Was this larger cultural footprint because FFTA was originally released only for Nintendo fans, giving them more reason to champion it? Or was it because the the moral quandry it presented truly did shake its players to their very cores, thus leaving that much deeper of an impression on them? Or was it because the law system filtered out all the nitwits, and gave rise to a hyper-intelligent race of gamers who could and would articulate their enjoyment of the game clearly and eloquently with just a few words like, "March was right," drawing the curiosity of more people in, where only the big brained could survive, thus perpetuating the cycle?
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FFTA is my first ever Final Fantasy.
I was introduced to emulation in 2008.
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>>722652074
countryside in a less developed place in europe. we had a house in the countryside where we lived, and one in the city that we had left.
i had to go to the city house to use internet.
now i have FTTC internet even here, and i should get ftth in 1-2 years.
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>>722652165
FFTA is brighter, more gripping, for a child it was far more entertaining and easier to pickup than FFT which had a story I cared less about. I still remember as a kid realizing the zombies were the bullies from the snowball fight and having Montblanc as a friend.
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>>722652190
I'm sorry, Anon. Hope you got over this trauma.
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Story would have been better if Marche was the crippled one and still wanted to bring people back to reality.
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>>722647896
Mog's not in it. Just Montblanc.
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>>722652457
actually tho, wasnt mog the mogknight?
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>>722646636
about a week ago
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>>722646636
There's hope FFTA will get a remake. If not, maybe mod the new FFT to have FFTA chars/storyline
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>>722652526
i didnt hear anything about a tactics ogre getting a remake?
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>>722651557
>>722651597
>>722651683

Marche is holding the Judge Sword, which he was originally going to be able to wield but they decided against putting it in the game, likely around the time they cut out the Marche-becomes-a-judge ending.
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>>722652165
>>722652278
FFTA is animal farm. Child-like story with deeper personal development for kids growing up.

FFT is a grown up's political intrigue. But who the fuck plays FFT as a kid? Its unrelatable. Playstation was a game console for kids/teens and their minds arent developed enough for adult-like context. And kids dont relate to adults like that. Atleast back then, this was the case when games were mostly for kids. Nowadays, manchilds, numales, zoomies pla console so there's bit more space for adult stories.
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>>722652597
Got one a few years ago.
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>>722651176
Proto-Verso
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probably not the discussion to have on /v/ where the answer is "i sex the rabbits all day every day til i die" but i always wondered if given the option sincerely who would people side with. Surely there must be some way to overthrow Mewt for those would side to stay in the fantasy and if thats the case then would those on Marche's side be able to resist the tempation of potentially ruling such a place. But the question is a bit shit ultimately because the narrative directly states "UH, BUT REGARDLESS THERES SOME EVIL SHIT EATING EVERYTHING"
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>>722652739
When you're completely aware it's an absolute simulation and not just some descartian suspicion the reality might be fake, Marche's stance of undoing all that fake shit is reasonable.
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>>722652739
>"UH, BUT REGARDLESS THERES SOME EVIL SHIT EATING EVERYTHING"
I hate when game stories pussy out of having to answer difficult questions with shit like this. Damn near any time a villain has a good point it turns out they are irreparably evil or if there's a moral quandary such as this, they HAVE to make the intentions clear. I want to fully disagree with a protagonists actions. Do they think their audience is too dimwitted to still enjoy the game if they disagree with what the protag is doing?
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>>722650261
you say this but there are people who STILL don't understand the coin flip analogy
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>>722652849
The game has to be "won". The player must defeat a "final boss" in order to "beat" the game.
If there's an ending where you just go with the antagonist and it just "fades to black", without a "final boss", "gamers" will complain the story is "lame" and say it's the "non-canon" ending.
Simple as. The vidya media is not ready yet for this kind of thing.
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>>722652832
marche didnt really have a good argument until they revealed that the grimore placed the world on a time limit before it collapsed taking everyone with it.
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>>722650020
>Legit asking what were they thinking
they were thinking they were making a game for the gameboy ADVANCE, a handheld that was primarily sold as something to be played by children. Having a complicated plot is not something suited to handheld gaming, FFTA has depth, it's just more accessible.
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>>722652165
People will discuss the story in reminiscence but I think what makes FFTA so much better is the gameplay. The judge system is kino
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I start clapping when Marche the hero put his brother back on the wheelchair where he belong
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>>722653108
did he really have to powerbomb him into the chair though?
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>>722650529
>implying i'm paying for videogames
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Moral of story is... Uhhh... Life fucking suck, and you should deal with it.
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>>722652865
what's the coin flip analogy
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>>722653236
constrained veil of ignorance where the 'birth' point is the moment of the simulation being created
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>>722652832
thats the thing, if you feel the wind, heat of the sun and sand beneath your feet as real as you know could be, are you lying to yourself and trying to enforce arbitrary morals? You can only be acting in arrogance to say you know how real life operates in its minutae and that thats why you can call a new reality fake. What does "magic" even mean in this context? How do you separate an illusory conversation with another being that bleeds from a "real" conversation with a being that bleeds.

Its all starts to fall on Marche for being a simple child with very basic and rudimentary ideas on morality and reality- again that is, it would be if the plot didnt SPECIFICALLY dictate that the world is NOT REAL because it JUST ISNT and it will DIE ANYWAY
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>>722653181
Your PC or switch is worth more than the subhumans Wiegraf was fighting for will ever earn in their lives
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>>722652943
but there are games where you defeat the enemy and assume just and righteous control over the setting, its not that difficult to write in. At that point its just a case of giving the player actual control over whether they leave in victory or remain in victory.

>>722652849
genuinely, any time a villain starts to make sense, they immediately stab a passerby in the neck, burn a villager alive or something for quite literally no reason to immediately give them a morally incompatible bodycount that justifies removing them
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>>722653034
>>722653432
the argument is simply that this is not the real world, therefore it's meaningless. everything is meaningless.
when you sleep at night you can dream about being king of the world, but it's just not real.
you can debate what's real or not if you like, but you know the answer already, like marche did. the dream reality is meaningless.
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>>722653229
thats not a very good moral when people claw their way out up through life using any means necessary or are sometimes placed in authority just because- means which are verifiably equally as vile as Mewt just being plopped on top of a throne
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>>722646812
if you buy these games maybe they can get Matsuno back.
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>>722653613
Don't want that hack coming back.
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>>722653601
thats what i mean, its borderline psychotic arrogance to get into an actual battle where your compatriots die, assuming blood and injury exists in Ivalice- and then claim the world isnt real. were not talking about a dream, the protagonists in Marche and his friends are fully cognisant and aware of whats happening in unison. Theres no debating the feel of blood seeping from a wound or thirst. its not a simple argument at all- all youre saying is "because i said so, and im right"

you have a point, however, if theres no blood, pain or injury in this Ivalice and you actually just poof out of existence in a puff of fairy dust when you lose a fight
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>>722653613
He's a 60 year-old has been now, not the gold child underdog in the industry anymore.
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>>722653738
It's a pointless metaphysical argument, but the book world can be considered "real" in a sense because it has stakes and physically isekai'd kids out of their world.
One of them wants to go back and fuck that gay fantasy shit and he has the means and will to power to make it happen, unlike the escapist weaklings that try to oppose him.
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>>722648245
Mewt is still better than the majority of real world leaders. At least Ivalice has vieras to help you cope.
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>>722646812
As long as it's not another lame isekai.
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>>722653903
>Paying taxes
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>>722650020
Gameplay is better, simple as. Clan system was dope and missions were cool. Deal with it
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>>722653738
there is no death and blood and injury and thirst. ivalice is a videogame reality.
the world isn't real in this very simple way. the characters never die, never age, their parents are gone, npcs obey them because they're "players", real people.
it's a peter pan matrix fantasy for kids in a very obvious way.
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Why would it need a remake?
Original plays and looks great.
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>read this thread
>people complaining about the Judge Laws
Did it really filter people that hard?
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>>722654230
Because I want to torment niggas clans with my op shit in a jagd where they perma-lose their toons on death. Simple as
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>>722654330
>remember 2 laws at same time in one battle
>attacking and using magic is banned
>kid me rages in confusion on how to kill
>finally sus out you can still use tech and abilities

Also using those cards that make new laws so you can cuck the opponent and watch the judge go ham on them is funny.
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>>722646636
FFTA sucked ass. Job system was inferior and the Law System was beyond stupid. It's biggest fans are a bunch of flurries who played it on the GBA before knowing a damn thing about FF.
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>>722654442
It's a great system, really makes you engage with the game instead of just pressing A to win every single fight.
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Marche game is kino, he will judge and send troons like you back to reality
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>>722654535
Filtered and projecting
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>>722646636
This game was really ahead of its time...
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>”You will not damage animals”
>damage animals
>stats stolen
WOOOOOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW FUCKING BUGGED LAW MECHANICS
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I remember getting mad my team of the kino race, bangaa, was completely outclassed by shit like double sword fighters and doublecast summoners
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>>722651446
tards would rather mod the entire system out than put forward even the slightest bit of effort
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>>722646636
this
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>>722655082
I remember playing the latter in a gba link battle with my friend and getting absolutely run over by his diving dragoons
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>>722652865
>>722653236
there's no coinflip
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>>722655665
>>722652865
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>>722653783
How involved was he with Advance? Wasn't he busy having a mental breakdown working on 12 while this was being made?
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>>722655070
>use doublecast to blast animals with summons
Problem, officer?
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>>722655658
Were you not ohkoing everything before they could get to you? One of my summoners could demolish an entire team from across the map.
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>>722655070
>you will not damage animals
>can I poison/debuff them?
>no lol
>can I punch them after they attack me?
>sure
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>>722656479
It was nearly 20 years ago and I was a young kid that definitely wasn't playing optimally, but iirc he just moved first and jumped and cc'd my summoners
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>>722654330
I personally just thought it was bullshit how laws didn't apply to enemies. They never get red carded outside from the cutscene where Cid jails Llednar, and that's bullshit.
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>>722657783
Only enemies with a badge next to their name can't be handed a red card. Everyone else is fair game if you can get them to break the law.
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>less abilities and customization
>law system no fun allowed
>shit story
>weak soundtrack on gba soundfont
>2d meaning maps are always elevated from 1 angle, always flat or stairs/slopes toward the camera
ffta sucks donkey cock, who cares
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>>722660175
>2d meaning maps are always elevated from 1 angle, always flat or stairs/slopes toward the camera
How the fuck else would they do it retard?
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>>722660342
3d
release it on ps2 instead
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>>722650381
The trend of isekai'd people NOT wanting to go home is relatively recent and was much less prevalent back when FFTA came out.
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>>722657992
One of the funniest things in the game is using a beastmaster to force monsters to break the law
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>>722646636
I had no idea FFT is where the escapism meme came from. I should play this!
t.zoomer
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>>722646636
I'm expecting ffta/2 remaster for 60 or maybe even a remake, like dq or suikoden.
>>722646812
Not before fft2 or tactics ogre 2.
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>>722648414
It's much worse than tor, lol.
>>722664752
Play tactics ogre reborn, too.
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>>722651382
>Ritz wasnt insecure
>Her hair was permanently red and Shara calls her out on it when she says that silver hair was beautiful
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>>722650020
FFT was too sophisticated, they dumbed it down for morons like OP
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>>722665427
No, gba has a different target group. Switch has kiddy games en masse, too.
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My understanding was that the whole game was them just playing make believe outside and that they didnt actually literally get sucked into a book and that it was just him saying they need to stop playing make believe and go actually live in the world so to speak.
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>>722649787
>filtered retard
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>>722646636
Holy based TRVTH NVKE
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i just want a new fft.....
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>>722648414
>Is it too much to ask for an actual remake with the pixel art being redone in higher quality
Funny enough, the remaster DOES use new pixel art. They still put a filter over it
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>>722647896
FFTA just needs a balance pass and good unit AI. It has an insane amount of postgame and things to grind for, it's just that the game is never challenging in the slightest, and so many different classes completely break the game. A remaster could actually do that, but it won't, and it will be slop and shit just like the FFT remaster.
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>>722667156
baffling
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>>722667486
oh man I gotta hop on the 'tube and check for retards getting filtered by Wiegraf
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I just want a new fucking game. After playing both the TO remaster and the FFT remaster I just want the best aspects of both in a new game, not some abomination like Triangle Strategy. I want FFT's gameplay (but better, and more) with TO's branching story and world building. Why can't they do it? Square used to pump out tons of good games within a year of each other.
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>>722646636
FORBIDDEN:
-KIKERY
-MUDSLIMERY
-NIGGERY
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>>722667156
it actually looks so shit they pussied out with using the filter instead of upping the pixel art quality
why make a remaster if it looks worse than on PS1
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>>722646812
>SE makes FFTA3
but
>SE makes FFTA3
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>>722648414
People are using this remaster as a measure of wealth and they call you poor if you prefer emulation.
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>>722648414
Saar undastand, we make pixel perfect pixel, it is ai, it's better for the ai (eye).
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>>722667156
Never realised his armor is denim's armor with spikes.
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>>722668317
wtf my America build doesn't work now
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>>722650068
kek so true
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>>722668317
>dmg2:niggers
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>>722650020
>create a game entirely involving a Nozick Machine
>call it isakaislop
Marche was right, btw.
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>>722652739
I still would want to go back because of the effect it has on people. It turned Doned into a traitor to his own brother, a backstabber, a schemer, there's no doubt he would have no trouble turning into a fratricide next, for the new Ivalice worked like a drug for him. It made Mewt regress into a toddler mentally-wise, someone with no will, no determination, someone who has to constantly cry for others to do his wishes because he can't do anything of his own, the wishgranter did him the worst.
Contrary-wise, because Marche wanted to be out of it, he's the one that grew the most as a person, something even Ritz came to admit. Ritz was a fence sitter, she both wanted to remain there for longer but knew it would have to end eventually so she wasn't affected neither positively nor negatively.
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>>722650629
Anyone else found weird this wasn't the permanent party?
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>>722646636
GET IN THE FUCKING CHAIR!
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>>722669626
I would drag you into a Jagd with my Viera harem to stop you.
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FFT > FFTA2 > FFTA
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>>722646636
Everyone debates the escapism question but the real BS is why the fantasy characters all side with Marche when it means they will stop existing.
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>>722653601

That's a retarded argument. You're gonna die one day, therefore everything is meaningless. There isn't a single good argument against staying in the "fake" world. That's why every single story someone writes using that trope they have to undermine themselves by shoehorning in some kind of bullshit consequence that occurs by staying. If the choice is neutral either way then there's no legitimate reason not to choose one over the other.
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>>722670091
cause he's paying them the big bucks
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>wanting to live in a magical fantasy land instead of being a cripple with dead parents is le bad
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>>722670091
Because they have no agency, they were created with fabricated pasts, and fabricated lives and families to play around Mewt's hugbox where they give him gifts every year.
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>>722670224
>There isn't a single good argument against staying in the "fake" world.
It was actively turning Doned into a druggie and Mewt into a toddler, see >>722669626
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>>722670224
>That's a retarded argument. You're gonna die one day, therefore everything is meaningless.
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Gria should have had a Dancer class
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>>722648414
I don't know if this makes it worse but the sprites are actually different. Not just a filter
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>>722652661
Marche is slated to become Judgemaster in the all missions cleared ending
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Is this the one with referees and cards for breaking the rules? If yes then fuck it
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The laws system only filter browns and women. I played it as a kid and even then I knew plenty of ways to break it.
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>>722670091
>>722670239
>>722670336
Everything FFTA Ivalice was made when Mewt and the other children activated the spell by accident. Marche spends the game trying to convince all of them to want to go back home because it wouldnt work as long as at least person wanted to stay.
Now, for the others, its very likely that some of them had phantom memories of the real world if they were people like Cid, which is why they ultimately decided to side with Marche when they saw what was happening.
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Not being able to recruit monsters and not being able to name generics pissed me off
Yeah Morpher exists but it’s not the same
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>>722670247
>fusing two characters into one
>they explicitly state that Doned was undergoing treatment for whatever illness he contracted since birth or some equally young age
Besides, Marche has to go back to a house with no father and a mother who makes him babysit Doned.
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>>722646636
Reminder that Doned wasn't permanently crippled or anything, there was literally nothing wrong with his legs. He was just "anime sickly" and would have been fine in a month or two, nigga was just a drama queen.
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>>722671193
He was always going to be stuck in a wheelchair though.
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>>722671296
Doned was factually unable to walk in real ivalice during the events of FFT. What we dont know is how long it'll for him to be able to walk.
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>>722671158
>have a name
>join clan to make some money
>leader demands your change your name to bucket
that's some psycho shit anon
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>>722670079
Gameplay and mechanics wise I'd say that ffta2 is best.
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>>722671017
>be me
>excel at ffta
>paladin ninja
>me ignoring red cars for 1 shots with katana
>me one shotting some dude
>me loosing progress of roughly 2h
The system is stupid. It's not fun, usually a yellow card means nothing and in this case ilthe punishment is severe.
The only reason they implemented the system is to spice up the tb combat
Tor used blue cards and they are merely prolonging the fight.

>
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>>722672660
What's funny is using beastmaster control, or inflicting berserk on someone, you can force them to break the law.
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>>722646636
FFTA is one of those games from my childhood that I'm heavily nostalgic for but I've never actually replayed it once since then. I actually looked and I still have my old strategy guide for it, I remember carrying that shit to school with me all the time. I'd consider checking out a collection of the Advance games if they wanted to bring them back since I never actually played A2 either. I bought TO:R and FFT:IC so I'm all for SE bringing back their SRPGs. I'd like to see some new ones as well though. I did play TS and it was decent but I hated the lack of generics and no job system.
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>>722674682
>use archer (basic unit for humes and vieras)
>use charm skill (also basic skill) on enemy
>enemy kills a teammate with a crit
>judge: to lizard jail you go!
its the little things, browns just can't experience these things
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>>722650020
It's a direct response to FFT which has a lot of content in it. The message in FFTA is that you should've only experienced a tiny fraction of that content and anybody that grinded or has a deeper understanding of FFT is no better than Mewt and need to get a life. Which is also why FFTA is babby tier ez so you experience the story regardless.
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>>722670224
i think you're too low iq to understand. i'm truly sorry but i answered you enough.
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>>722671473
lol
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>>722674682
Interesting. I'll keep that in mind for the remaster/-make we will see in 2027.
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>>722676127
No need to, a ffta remaster/-make would probably do away with the laws system so browns and women don't get filtered hard.
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>>722670079
Unironically FFTA2>FFTA>FFT if we're talking about actual gameplay. You'd be right on story, but only story. Music and aesthetic choice is up for debate because they wanted to clearly do two completely different things and they handled both well.
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>>722676256
Very unlikely. FFTA might get the FFTA2 treatment where laws are more of a special bonus/challenge that gives you extra rewards, but they're too intertwined into the core attributes of both the game and the story to just completely erase them. In fact the first cutscene in Advance Ivalice is a Bangaa getting arrested for breaking the law by attacking you.
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>>722676767
FFT gameplay is better it's got more depth
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>>722672660
>yellow card means nothing
Yellow cards could permanently decrease your status
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I like the more traditional stat system in FFTA, but it loses points for obscuring class growths, additionally a lot of fun classes from FFT are missing (even if it has boring as sin ones like archer)

I never got around to playing FFTA2, but the MP change put me off because most mages were already hot garbage compared to just attacking things. I always thought it was funny gladiator's elemental sword attacks juat became useless since they didnt atk scale on A FUCKING ATK BASED CLASS.
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>>722676767
>>722676861
No question. Anything else is the babble of a lunatic.
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>>722677219
Most attack units cannot physically harm things like flans, whereas mages can but they're fucked when it comes to physically damage when needed (like laws or running out of mana). So gladiators only purpose its to fill these two gaps, being an unit that can deal both physical and magical damage. Plus they have ultima sword, so you've got two reasons to use gladiators.
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>>722667486
the next fight is going to be hilarious
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>>722677021
I'm pretty sure that I never struggled with a fight, so what? Very sure that even bosses went down quickly with dual katana (or palsword dunno) swung by a paladin.
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>>722648414
>It is the veterans, who are cast aside when their swords are no longer needed!
We need to create a new nation by veterans for veterans.
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>>722648414
>an actual remake with the pixel art being redone in higher quality (while still being pixel art)
wtf am I reading
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>>722676861
The bangaa gets arrested for using Potion after you beat him
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>>722650457
All the postgame stuff is noncanon fluff because it presumes that Mewt left back for the real world without anyone else. His dad, his friends, everyone he knew is still in Dream Ivalice.
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Reminder that Doned is sick, he's not crippled. The Radiuju family moves to St. Ivalice to get care for Doned. Eventually, when he's better, he will be able to walk and run again.
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It's interesting how each entry got more "gated". FFT you could unlock everything right away if you grinded, while FFTA had abilities learned from equipment.
However it was still possible to grind, get stealing and get a lot of stuff early. Then FFTA2 not only made it harder to get strong equipment early and some jobs were now only unlocked by side quests.
Sometimes I enjoy the gated games that keep me weaker earlier because I don't know when to stop in FFT, like there's always another ability I might want to use at some point, better grind just a little more.
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>>722680156
People shortcut TA2 by gaming the auctions to get high level gear before you reasonably should.
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i want an ivalice moogle wife
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>>722650020
and still it has twice the punch since it has an anti escapism message which makes fags fume to no end
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>>722680820
All moogles are male.
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>>722680542
Ah I forgot the auctions. Just remember equipment being locked behind finding all sorts of materials.
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>>722680942
Wrong
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>>722680542
Craziest thing about FFTA2 is how there’s like 500 fucking missions and they’re all deployable if you don’t want to use dispatch
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>>722680942
i'm going to imagine the moogle shopkeeper as a girl and you can't stop me
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>>722648414
>Is it too much to ask for an actual remake with the pixel art being redone in higher quality
yes
snk went bankrupt TWICE trying to make HD pixel sprite-based kof
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>>722681936
That's what gay thoughts are for, anon.
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>>722668512
i dont think they pussied out, the filter + the touch ups are way too deliberate along with the dithering they place ontop of everything, this is just how they want the game to look aesthetically. and i mean it would make sense since they've always described the feel of the game as a diorama or whatever.
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>>722680820
I want an Ivalice game where I can have a moogle death squad cleaning the streets of the filthy lizard menace.
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>>722646636
If it's good, why would you want soulless Indians transforming it into AI goyslop?
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>>722685907
the FFT remake was done by the original team tho
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>>722687357
is that why the portraits are stretched?
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>>722650476
It was still escapism homie
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I'm playing Triangle Faggotry on NORMAL and it is harder than any Tactics game I've played.
What's the deal? I'm even spamming the encampment battles to grind and I'm still getting my shit kicked in.
I refuse to believe you can beat this game without grinding unless you GAME OVER a million times.
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>>722667406
I got softlocked and cucked by the gay ass judge card system
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>>722688915
if by upscaled yes they are upscaled, thats hardly an indian thing though and japanese companies have been doing this for decades now
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>>722690076
they are stretched
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>>722684065
hooking up with your moogle supremacist clanmate because she thinks you're "one of the good ones"
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>>722687357
They said that about FF8 too, they're always full of shit.
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>>722653176
lol
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>>722689470
Softlocked?
>>722690551
Not as bad as deus ex "re"master.
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>>722690929
Ff8 is India, saar?
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>>722651176
>>722652723
MY FUCKING HEROES
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>>722652278
>FFTA is brighter, more gripping, for a child it was far more entertaining and easier to pickup than FFT
you are a retard
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>>722652669
>But who the fuck plays FFT as a kid? Its unrelatable
retard alert
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>>722696145
Wow, nice rebuttal. I'm really glad I share a board with you.
Everything I said was objective.
>Brighter
>More gripping
>For a child easier to understand and entertaining
What about that is wrong? Care to elaborate, or are you just a braindead zoomer incapable of critical thinking?
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>>722680942
That's retarded, in FF9 two moogles get married and one is clearly a female.
Never post on /v/ again you fucking faggot
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>>722696905
soul / soulless
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Fire emblem is the only good chest like game
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>>722697060
Maybe he meant all Mexican are moogle?
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>>722697268
>chest like
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>FF Tactics remake with Valkyria Chronicles gameplay
Would it work?
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there are people who like ffta?
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>>722648414
I'd love a FFTA remaster with full voice acting and some qol like speedup button. Game's better than FFT in every single aspect except for the story.
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>>722697625
The law system sucks when it starts implementing insanely broad laws and just becomes another time wasting activity to double check the upcoming laws so you aren't softlocked. It's a neat idea implemented poorly.
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>>722697539
yes and it would be great
fuck square and sega for not using those IPs properly
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>>722697596
Yes I.
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>>722697596
I do.
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>>722697831
>t's a neat idea
I think it's a horrible idea and it's why I played neither sequel.
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>>722697539
Isn't it over the shoulder!? No!
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>>722697596
Great game
>>722697625
Remaster will be together with fft2. If we are lucky, full remake.
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>>722698091
Over the left
There, game fixed
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>>722697831
There's no softlocking. Stop running 6 guy lineups.
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>>722667671
There are quite a few actually, it's painful to watch
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Isekai dominates the industry and will for years to come
People love escapism
I will continue to enjoy fantasy
In the end Marche LOST
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>>722698568
Im not spending an hour trying to beat monsters bending rules when a "dont hurt monsters law" is up. It's a waste of time and I've never made homogenous parties
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>>722698946
>there's charm so the monsters kill each others
>there's petrify, if you petrify them all you win
>there's the death skill which insta kill the monster without dealing damage
>there's doom, which kills the target in 3 turns without dealing harm
>there's suicide blow up, the judge can't put a red card on a dead unit
You might be brown if none of these things ever crossed your mind and think the game "softlocks" you.
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>>722698568
Beat all these games with the minimum amount of people. Only in tor I used more, because the units are fun, despite having little customization.



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