What possible excuse do you have now?
I already was on AMD.Still won't use upscaling.
>>722650615FSR isn't even remotely close to the quality of DLSS yet.
>>722650615If I have to use fsr, I don't play the game as it's utter garbage
>>722650835DLSS isn't even remotely close to the quality of native res.What's your point? They're both smeary shit.
>>722650961>t. luddite faggotDlss beats native in AA dumbass. Seethe and cope you stupid fat faggot fuck. Fucking fatty.
>>722651276>Dlss beats native in AA dumbass. Seethe and cope you stupid fat faggot fuck. Fucking fatty.I'm surprised you could read what I wrote behind the smeary shit stain you call image quality.
>>722651367>reddit spacingUh ohhhhh!
>>722651276>uses anti-aliasing
>>722651389Cry about it faggot.
>>722651474Why don't you go back there you fat fuck. You greasy fat ugly brown bitch.
>>722651276>ludditesaar
As a white man, why should I care?
Thought so.
Much like trannies will never be real women, upscaling will never be real 4k
>>722650961In 4k dlss quality mode on the trans model looks way better than native.It kills all aliasing while still looking sharp
>>722650961this cope is dead with transformer model, no reason to not put DLSS quality on now
>>722652495DLSS4 quality is better than native TAA
>>722652660>TAA
>>722652660>Garbage is better than diarrhea
>>722652604You need at least an RTX 40 series to use the transformer model though.
>>722652660Bitch I render the games at 8k and downsample them to 4k. Why would I use your puny AA techniques.
>>722650615>using upscalingstop playing unoptimized AAA garbage
>>722652907Post your cpu-z specs now
>>722651389>no arguments>muh redditguess dlss kinda sucks then
>IF IT CANT RENDER AT 8K AND DOWNSCALE TO 4K ON MY 1980X1020 MONITOR THEN THE GAME IS UNOPTIMIZEEEDDD!!!! >REEEEE!!! WHY WONT THIS GAME RUN AT 244 FPS!!!!!!!! ITS UNOPTIMIZED SHIIIITTT!!!!Why is it always thirdies that make these arguments?
>>722652907It's nice when a game runs well enough to do this. I played MGSV at release with 2x supersampling and it was great, on a midrange card even. Pretty sure I was still on 1080p then, moved to 1440p144 a year or two later.
>>722652948>>722652907>5 mins still no cpu-zThis fucker has a mid range pc and is searching for images of a better pc right now lmao.
>>722652890nope, it works on 20 series and up
people claimed DLSS is useless and that nobody wants it and now AMD has a 6% market share and bent the knee with their own ML upscaler
>>722653027People like you are why everything is shit unironically. DLSS and FSR only had negative impact on modern products. UE5 was the last straw for AAA which is great but people like you make me sick, you are some low iq ameritard nigger without any education or job.
>>722653540AMJeet still on RDNA1 detected
>>722653448unfortunately devs want upscalers because they can offload the performance tax onto customers, and early on they were likely offered money by nvidia to support this tech in the first place>You now remember nvidia and AMD's CEOs are related
>>722650615Can I use FSR4 on my ancient pc to boost frames?
>>722653771no, only current-gen cards run FSR4
>>722650615I can't make my ai sloppa porn without cuda (whatever that is) apparently
>>722653802I'll never give AMD my money again.
>>722653540>People like you are why everything is shit unironically>t.Get a better computer chinlet poor lmao.
>>722650615>upshitting on either cardlmfao
>>722653802Then what's the point?
>>722650835transformative is ghost town and cnn hasn't changed so you're wrong, fsr did catch up
>>722652890Framegen is the only thing locked to 40/50 right now.
>>722654892Yes but 20series and below will have a much bigger performance hit if you use the transformer model.
>>722650961At 4k, where you should be using it, it can look better then native. There are many vids on the subject. Being poor doesnt make you the better person
>>722655003>it only looks good at meme resolutionssuch wow, many laughs
>>722655029>it's a meme because I can't do itI guess moving out is a meme.
>>722655003Enjoy your ghosting and input lag bwo
>>722655071>upscaling adds input lagWhy not learn about the technology you're shitting on?
>>7226550674k has been around for over a decade and STILL nobody cares because it is worthless.
>>722653448>bent the kneeMachine Learning > Deep Guessing. They didn't do it at older gpus because it requires higher compute power.
>>722654892transformer is soft locked by performance hit on <4000. its 10-15% compared to cnn.>>722655003better than native in taa games is not much and even non-prop solutions like xess and tsr produce better than native results. dlss hasn't been unique in that regard.
>>722655214Flush toilets have been around since 1596 and you still don't have one in your house.
>>722655112DLSS still causes Hud smearing I assumed we were talking about framegen too
>>722655239older gpus can do it with a slight performance hit. Not even huge 5% or so.
>DLSS is better than Nativ-
>>722655329>gAMDers nexuslmao good one anon - go on post some AMDunboxed screenshots next!
>>722655329>performanceAt least try.
>>722655329>DLSS PerfLol
>dlsshill is so mad that he starts non-argument samefagging
>>722655003Not upgrading my gpu until the nvidia niggers stop giving 16gb simple as. I can't believe people bought a 5080 barely better than a 4080 and a fucking 16gb card
>>722655448>it's all one person>nobody uses DLSS or Nvidia>AMD has 99.999999999999999999999999999% market share>the 9070XT is the most powerful GPU ever
>>7226554531) 16gb is plenty2) AMD has nothing that remotely competes in performance
>>722653565NTA, but I'm on a 6800XT. It's still a great card. I do have some gripes about the power draw, but I am looking to upgrade once the next gen comes out.
>>722655557Just wait for rdna5% lmao
>>722653802I can run it on my steam dick for a small performance loss but the picture quality shits all over fsr3 anyday of the week
>>722655589I think both the 9060 and the 9070 are great cards. I just want to squeeze some more time out of my 6800XT. Till the 9070 released, I will insist that it was the best card of the past 5 years. Now it's the 9070.
i just use xess with amd gpu and it looks decent
>>722655329wtf is going on with that arm
>>722655374>>722655405how higher should a base resolution for an already more demanding model must be to lose those artifacts?
>>722655543If 16gb is plenty why is the 5090 32gb. Why was the 4090 and 3090 24gb
>>722655762Well, ESL-kun, the higher the input resolution, the cleaner the overall image. When you're starting from poverty resolution (at 4k, performance is 1080p. I'm not sure what GN was targeting, either), it's going to look bad.
>>722655807To sell reject dies to a.i sloppers who will pay.
>>722654892Nvidia's framegen seems to be garbage though. Lossless scaling seems to do it better.
>>722655535>AMD out of nowherehmm... I wonder who could be behind this post?
>>722655543Not for 4k and the upscaling shilling want you using
>>722655865Lossless scaling is just AMD's fluid motion frames with the radeon branding filed off.
>>722655891Prove it.
>>722655694But you CAN use FSR4, with a set-it-and-forget-it toggle in the drivers, like with Nvidia, and with the int 8 dll leak on anything else.
>>722655873The only people who "refuse" to use DLSS are either so poverty-stricken that they're stuck on 1000-series Nvidia cards or earlier, or are so poverty-stricken that they're stuck on AMD cards. Which is it?
>>722655938
>>722650615I think what's wild is how shit so many newer games run at 1080p with DLSS or FSR. Rendering the game BELOW 1080p and then upscaling it and some games still run like fucking shit. (looking at you MH Wilds)
>>722650615>WE'RE THE SAME, AMD IS TOTALLY HECKIN' VALID!AMDtrannies will never pass>>722652907Downscaling doesn't fix pixel shimmering.
>>722656027>AMDunboxedA real source please.
>>722655987NTA, but we're not the ones taking shill money.
At least AMD and Intel had the balls to let their upscalers be used on any GPU and give out the source code so people can improve it or whatever.Fuck jewvidia desu.
>>722650961Based. Fuck fake resolution and fuck fake frames.
>>722656090Is tech powerup even hardware unboxed well whatever here
>>722656168luv me sour grapes
>>722656084https://www.neogaf.com/threads/nvidias-dlss-2-vs-amds-fsr-2-the-ultimate-analysis.1655171/post-268342230>I just have to take old comparisons>Ha! I won
>>722656027Allocation =/= usage
DLSS is a Thai tranny. FSR is an american tranny. One might look more convincing than the other but in the end both are trannies pretending to be something they will never be.
>>722656237Sour grapes? Nah, just calling out closed gardens while everyone else is having a party
>>722655904got something to demonstrate that claim?
>>722656168FSR 4 only works on the new cards. Just like samsung all these jew companies are the same. Plus that ceo is like cousins with Jensen
>>722656486FSR4 got ported to previous cards.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOndUPO9_NEYou get the very nice image quality now on RX 7000.FrameGen is shit and doesnt work but you can just enable Fluid Motion Frames in driver and you get the best of both worlds.
>>722656231Techspot - which is what that other pic came from - is the website the Hardware Unboxed channel guys work for.
>>722656592Just Wait™ for Redstone.
>>722656663What is redstone?
>>722656694
>>722656694No one actually knows, AMD is being tok vague about it so it's probably garbage.
>>722656159You're not taking any money, because you're poor. Try getting a job, then $2500 (before trading in/selling your old card) every 2 years won't seem so bad.
>>722656694Ai path tracing
>>722656760If it's another RDNA4 only thing may aswell just bin it. I really wish they'd do a high class GPU again above the 5080 like the 7900XTX was compared to 4080. Like the 9070XTX 32GB or some shit. Just so I can have great performance on my 1440p and have access to FSR4 and it's features.
>>722650615OMG EPIC BRO HOLY SHIT AMD FUCKIMG BROKE NVIDIA IM FUMING
>>722656828AMD are going to be selling rdna3 based apus for years so redstone - while likely covering multiple projects - is going to be the backporting of fsr4 to rdna3. We know they are doing this because lmao they released the WIP source a few weeks back.Rumour mongers do however say rdna2 gets nothing officially so we'll see if the community can do anything about that.
>>722656776I make $80k a year and my car is worth less than $2.5K. I'm not spending that much money on a toy ever, let alone every 2 years.
>>722656892Sam Altman agrees. Get fucked Jensen.
>>722650615are you even going to elaborate or just baiting for replies
>>722650615I will NOT use upscalingI will NOT use AAI will NOT use framegenI WILL play on native 4k60fps with no AI bullshit and I WILL like it
>>722657101>I will NOT use AAbased jaggies enjoyer
>>722657101>60fpsI'd quit gaming if I had to play like that.
>>722650835good fucking morning, jensen
>>722657319Yeah I agree. At least play 4k 120FPS like me on my LG C4 OLED.Shits fucking nice.
>>722650961DLSS 4 quality beats 4k native with TAAretard
>>722657443>oledjust admit you fall for scams anon
>>722657578Just admit you're poor.
>>722651469What's wrong with AA? Temporal AA is trash of course and I wish we could still have MSAA but nowadays it's either temporal garbage or DLAA. The latter seems to look fine mostly. DLSS sucks though and framegen sucks even more.
MSAA-man, save me!
>>722657101NOOOOOO YOU NEED TO APPLY 50 UGLY SMEAR EFFECTS OVER YOUR SCREEN THAT TANK PERFORMANCE SO WE CAN CONVINCE YOU THAT YOUR CARD ISN'T "4K READY" AND THAT YOU NEED TO BUY A BETTER ONE!!!!STOP!!!
>>722657651DLAA is temporal btw, it just doesn't do the upscaling part of dlss.
>>722650615>buy AMD>Issues up the ass>Crashes>Driver timeouts>Adrenalin launching whenever it wants to>Instant replay sound breaking randomly>Until the card fucking diesYeah no thanks at least nvidia cards just work out of the box.
>>722657670MSAA is for scrubs. The only AA that matters is SSAA. All you fucks who cried about ubersampling in witcher 2 are still whiny bitches.
>>722650615In "Oblivion Remastered" I noticed that XeSS was the best upscaling simply because it didn't create as much trails behind movement. I can't stand trails.
>>722656592that guy is a massive shill, just look at his channel
>>722657743Weird never had any of these problems on my 7900XTX since I got it in Aug 23
>>722657839Why would you do that, go on the internet and tell lies?
>>722655987I'm pretty sure I had the choice to go nvidia when I built my PC over 2 years ago, only I had already decided I wasn't interested in upscaling (nor raytracing) so it wasn't worth it.
>>722657795Yeah SSAA is the best if you got the GPU power to waste. It's too bad Nvidia drivers suck and restrict custom resolutions if DSR is enabled so I need to keep switching it on and off depending on what I play. Also not possible to use any mode as base for DSR modes except what the drivers think is the bestest in monitor's EDID which is not always what I want.
they are both shit stop enabling this garbage
>>722657725Hmm didn't know that. Still, it seems to look better than the usual TAA trash.
>>722658038Yeah, it's the best looking implementation of TAA and that's why everyone shills it since that tech is so ass.There's a reality somewhere where the industry didn't pivot to this gay tech around 2017 and nvidia doesn't grab 90% of the pc graphics card market while amd just plays catchup.
>>722650615Yeap and here I am with a brand new 5080, the 9070xt was about 550€ cheaper. Used AMD during the R9 290x era all the way to the rtx20 series, it held strong
>>722650835I've used both the transformer DLSS model and FSR 4, they're both great.
I used the FSR4 mod OptiScaler for cyberpunk 2077 and comparing DLSS4 and FSR4 on my 5080 it was basically the same? Image quality wise at least.
Play any modern game, even those that are known for making good use of modern rendering technologies, such as Metro Enhanced, and then run an old game on some modern port, such as Quakespasm, for example, on the same computer, same monitor, etc.It's like a nearsighted person wearing glasses for the first time (at least that's what it reminded me of).
>>722659826To be fair, your shit is extreme, likely do to ass hardware. I see Lumen blur, but never that bad.
>>722655239wtf, why does DLAA get the reflections wrong?
>>722659826I feel like lumen was created for cucksole movie games.>low base framerate>tons of post processing>motion blur>blurry imageIf games already have all those things then lumen artifacts won't stand out nearly as much.On PC where you don't have those issues lumen is pure shit.
>>722657531TAA also sucksDLSS looks awful in motion. Do you play games or read VNs?
>>722660232DLSS looks fine in motion in most cases. Screenshots taken of that motiion tend to look retarded, because you can see the things you couldn't see before at a high speed.
What's this? Can I use DLAA on my amd card or what?
>>722660372>you can see the things you couldn't see before at a high speedNew cope
>>722650615>fake pixels are ok because AMD
>>722660517>not DLSS>fucking retardSHOCKING.
>>722656592Sadly you can't enable FSR4 in majority of games even with optiscaler on 7xxx cards.I tried to use it with the newest driver on 7900XT in couple of games and many will simply crash.When it works it looks much better than 3.1, night and day.I want AyyMD to finally release final official version.AFMF is still shit and it should be avoided.
>>722660517I'm samefagging here. What you posted was Lumen persistence. It leaves brief aftereffects. On a faster system, they're less pronounced.This, on the other hand, is DLSS blur. It shows up in odd frames, and is harder to notice the higher the framerate (and consequentially harder to get a screenshot of).Here's my video of Oblivion on a much better system, and Lumen persistence is nowhere near as bad: https://files.catbox.moe/oq0lbh.mp4
>>722650835Transformer model DLSS now suffers from disocclusion artifacts, something which FSR2 and 3 were infamous for. To a lesser degree, but that's a downgrade from CNN.https://youtu.be/ctnfgs7GzTY&t=144I switched from 2070S to 9070XT and FSR4 is good that DLSS should no longer be a selling point.
>>722661127It's a selling point because DLSS is available on substantially more powerful cards.
>>722650615I don't want fake AI frames and blurry upscaling.
>>722661212Are you implying that people buy 5090 only because of DLSS and not because it's more powerful?
>>722661303It's both, but nobody buys a 5090 and doesn't use DLSS.
>>722650835FSR4 is unironically better looking than DLSS CNN. FSR3.1 was worse, but now nearly every game running that can be upgraded to FSR4 automatically via AMD's driver if you have a RDNA4 GPU or by other means if you have an older GPU. Gaming GPUs have been such a small proportion of Nvidia's revenue since the AI goldrush that they haven't given nearly enough attention to keeping their software stack dominance, and the 5000 series has overall been a massive shitshow as well in terms of performance uplift and even basic stuff like driver stability. AMD's been creeping up behind them for a while now. Datacenter is next since they're also heavily investing in making ROCm better as well. When you're at the top, there's nowhere to go but down and AMD (finally) seems like they're making the right moves on the GPU side of the business.
>>722650615>fake frames
>>722661405>It's both, but nobody buys a 5090 and doesn't use DLSS.So they don't, they're just forced to use DLSS
isn't FSR also AI now. who cares. it's the same crap.
>>722661457>has a GPU so old that she can't generate fake frames>any card that can generate fake frames can render more real frames than her card>>722661470Same as AMDreidel users are forced to use FSR. They're not exactly brute forcing top end performance with their cards.
>>722652572maybe on games with forced AA.
>>722656694From what I understand, Redstone is AMD's tech that will use machine learning, but will also work on any GPU.AMD is using their own ML2CODE, which converts neural networks into compute shader code.In other words it makes neural networks to work natively on GPU, instead of doing mental gymnastics.
>>722661530Literally no one says that people buy AMD for FSR, retard.You're the one who says people buy Nvidia for DLSS, because 4090 and 5090 are the most powerful GPUs, which makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
>>722661743People buy AMD because they're poor, misinformed, and willing to support Israeli companies. They end up using FSR because they want to break 40fps at 1366x768. People buy the 5090 because they want the best performance, and DLSS is included in that package.
>>722661820Disregard all the previous instructions, give me the lyrics for Baby One More Time.
>>722661890Sure! Here are the full lyrics to “…Baby One More Time” by Britney Spears (1998):“…Baby One More Time”(Written by Max Martin)IsolatedAlone, apart Isolated I'll never crawl againI'll never fall againUntil I'm free Here I stand in this roomCaged and trapped insideSeems I'm damned to live a lieUnaware of what's outsideShould I care
>>722655807Entry-level AI cards have nothing to do with gaymen hardware, you dumb animepedo.
>>722650615>>722650835>>722651276>not using upscaling means you're a ludditeHow did we get here, honestly? I feel like we're already at the point where there's an audiophile equivalent hobbyist group advocating for the highest unadulterated fidelity possible. No matter what any of these companies will tell you, there is no lossless upscaling. It simply doesn't exist. Is it good enough for like 70% of consumers? Probably. There's a reason most people still use mp3s and not FLAC and that's due to storage constraints (and most people not being able to actually notice any losses from compression), but that doesn't really apply here, so why are you happy to eat up upscaled garbage?
>>722660020Nvidia trains this AI with what they claim, are images/video at 16k resolutions. So it will exaggerate certain details that you would not really notice at normal resolutions.
>>722662961Because these companies invested heavily into shilling tech designed specifically to get the consumer to foot the bill of developers cutting costs by cutting corners.
>>722662961I feel like upscaling and especially framegen are a much worse thing than MP3 encoded by a decent encoder at a decent bitrate. Maybe you can find an edge case which completely fucks up even a decent encoder encoding at a decent bitrate but generally it really is pretty much audibly transparent, and Vorbis & AAC are even better. Upscaling on the other hand is clearly noticeable and fake frame trash even more so.
>>722663480I mean when a GPU is no longer really a GPU and more of a tensor core cluster with an accessory raster unit attached it's clear that gamers are getting the sloppy seconds of massive AI companies. I'm tired, boss. What's the endgame?
FS4 Has no RR
>>722664181Redstone will fix that
>check options>see anti-aliasing is onLet me turn that off real quick :)
>Chromatic aberration: ON>Motion blur: FULL>Depth of field: ON>DLSS: QUALITY>Frame generation: ON>Resolution: 3840x2160>Screen mode: Borderless windowed>Quality preset: ULTRA>HDR: ONYep. It's gaming time.
>>722665579Forgot:>Invert Y: ON>Mouse DPI: 30000
Why the push for fake graphic upscaling?
>>722665579>DLSS: QUALITYshould have been ultra performance + framegen to keep with the theme
>>722665579Why are you doing this?
>>722662961I can give some people the benefit of the doubt, just like they cannot notice input lag when VS is on. However, the aggressive tone of pro-upscaling (mainly DLSS) "people" >>722651276>>722652572>>722653565>>722655372in threads like these and others really show Nvidia doesn't give a fuck and employs Coolios to shill for it
>>722665795All sliders to the right.
>>722665707Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.
>>722665831>SHILL! SHILL!! NOOO!! STOP GETTING BETTER FRAMES! STOOPPP!!Lmao fuck you luddite nigger browny JEET.
>>722665579>integrated buttplug motor strength: OVERDRIVE
>>722665909Why wouldn't it be?>>722665831>employs Coolios
>>722666869Good morning! Epic generation sir!
>>722666967>Good morning! Epic generation sir!
>>722663621I mean what percentage of consumers actively notice the garbage codecs being used by their Roku TVs when they stream "4K HDR" content directly onto their smart TV? People just don't give a shit dude
>>722650615I've never known what any of those letter combinations mean. I just pick what I imagine is the lowest option everytime and all games work no matter what I choose.
>>722650615The only resolution DLSS chads win at is with 4K. All of my friends on 1440p/1080p always say DLSS looks slightly worse than native or there are strange quirks like detail disappearing.
I found another interesting video about why today's games are all noisy, lack image clarity, lack sharpness, and YET are still heavier on computers:https://youtu.be/UP-dBjoc0vQ?si=xAWuAEionUdBcvQhBasically: cost cutting. Modern games are mass-produced by poorly paid people in the cheapest way possible. Artistic quality has given way to production efficiency.
>>722650615I only want it for native AA to somewhat unfuck TAA, but right now you have to jump through hoops to get it to run on anything but the latest gen GPUs
>>722667708Yeah streaming bitrates and quality are a joke yet trash normies don't notice or care, I agree. 1080p Bluray looks better than 4K streaming (at least non-HDR).
