Now that the dust has settled, was it ever actually a "fair" mystery?
no i read the whole thing and felt like i was asspulled and the author hated me for reading it or trying to engage with it
>>722654565obviously, it broke none of the knox's commandments. ryukishi adhired to all the rules, people were just retarded
The main mystery? That is to say, the epitaph and everything related to it? Fuck no. But the side mysteries, the actual murders? Eh, probably. I never tried to solve them.
>>722654565How the fuck did Krauss and Natsuhi didnt realize they were down one servant thanks to Yasu crossdressing again.
>>722654615This, I dropped the moment he started his moralizing about me reading it wrong
>>722655529The main mystery is who is Beatrice and why did everyone die. The epitaph does not need to be solved by the player to answer that, all you need to know about the epitaph is that it was created by Kinzo and presented to everyone on the island, and the location of the gold is on the island as well.
>>722654565>that closed room? fake death>that other closed room? another fake death>those deaths? fake lmao>that cool linked closed room? also fake characters AND death>the chapel's door? wasn't even closed lmao>"can't trust anything that isn't a red statement">*random anime girls and adding dozens of useless characters way late into the story*that shit isn't a mystery even by its own standards, anyone who still engages with r07 as a honest reader is legit braindead when r07 is the biggest dishonest faggot to exist.and i'm excusing all the shitty wordplay that doesn't translate from japanese to english "muh PERSON =!= PEOPLE =!= PERSONALITY =!= CHARACTER =!= BODY"
>>722654565Yes and no. Each of the murders plus the overarching suspect and motives are all plenty solvable, especially if you actually go and reread the first four episodes before continuing to the second half of the story. However the details and setups stretch believability an unreasonable amount (there were airtight contingencies to blackmail/bribe literally anyone and everyone necessary).>>722655534I was pissed off about that at first too, but it actually makes sense. There are many servants, Krauss and Natsuhi don't pay very close attention to the servants, Krauss and Natsuhi are dumb as rocks, and Genji and Kumasawa are actively protecting the secret. The real issue is Gohda. As funny as it is watching him nearly blow their cover by complete accident, he really is smart enough that he'd pick up on that.
>>722658330By "main," I meant the overarching mystery, if that wasn't obvious, which it clearly wasn't.
currently in chapter 3. why did Beatrice's personality do a complete 180
>>722659195Leave the thread so you don't get spoiled
>>722654565No. There is parts of the story, including the meta-parts, where they explain things in such a way that the intended solution cannot be correct without indulging in ridiculous levels of mental gymnastics with how to interpret the meanings of words. It's not a fair mystery. Maybe it makes more sense in the original japanese but I doubt it.
I just listen to the OSTZTS/-45 really should be hired by another jap game dev
>>722659195She's doing bad cop, good cop. Instead of the North Wind blowing a scenario of horror and overwhelming magical power to make Battler surrender, we've got the Sun gently shining to convince Battler to take off his resistance to magic.
>>722654565It never meant to beThe mystery is just a setup meant to introduce us to the story of Beatrice/AngeMysteryfaggots hyperfocus on it, then screech when Umi turns out to be a tragedy/love story at its coreDon't pay them any mind, they just seethe that story went somewhere other than Agatha Christie's novel
>>722654565>another dogshit template thread>another dogshit Umineko threadRead anything better. Consider an actual book.English mystery VNs on Steam from the past few years:>Birth ME Code >Blankspace>Clean Slate>CORPSE FACTORY>Decide 4 God (Abime finale currently in EA; complete around Oct. 21)>The Divine Deception>Entropic Float: This World Will Decay And Disappear>The Game of Fourtune>Head AS Code (remake)>Look Inside>Methods: The Detective Competition>The Price of Flesh>Quantum Suicide>Reaplaced>Shards of Chaos>The Specters Desire>SYNESTHESIA>The Zodiac Trial>Tyrion Cuthbert: Attorney of the ArcaneEnglish mystery VNs on Steam that are to-be-released:>Beyond R: Rule Ripper>Bound Between Desks>Detective Instinct: Farewell, My Beloved>The Lost Delinquents of Rollings High>Thief's Roulette>Ubel>Underground22>Whispering Memories (March 6)
>>722659658Proud mysterychad here. Ryuikishi's prose and characters are atrocious, fun mystery setups were the only redeeming part of the VN.
>>722654565No. It's dishonest, and ryukishi07 omitting information deliberately (and outright lying) makes it a shit mystery.Higurashi has the same problem but to a lesses degree, Umineko is complete garbage.
>>722661018The characters are amazing though.
>>722654565No because it's about wordplays rather than logic.
>>722655534I don't believe that any actual crossdressing shenanigans even took place on Rokkenjima prime at all; above all, there never was a physical Kanon, just a narrative device 'existing' exclusively in the original bottles, used in text and in the head of Yasu for coping and venting about no dick and NBAW, who then became part of the canonical mystery heritage in the subsequent forgeries. We have next to no idea about who the real Ushiromiyas were or what actual Rokkenjima was like, only fantastical fanfics about them.
>>722659195Just keep reading
>>722661018Weird, I thought that the mysteries were atrocious and the characters + ost were the only redeeming parts.
Faggler
The witches epitaph was unfair to those uneducated in moonrunes even ryukishi admits as much in the narrative from my recollection
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>>722654565>"fair"it never was, the community likes to call Battler dumb but from the POV of a regular dude he did say some smart things sometimes that I doublt people would say
>>722659658>game literally sells itself as a mystery for the player to solve>how dare you try to solve the mystery!!!fuck ryukishi
>>722654565The epitath is solvable if you have in depth knowledge of Japan, Taiwan, and Chinese culture and geography. Everything else is just random unsolvable shit since r07 writes in new plot devices and asspulls as he goes. Similar to how in Higurashi you can actually pin down the villain by as early as chapter 2 and their motive around chapter 5, but you can't actually solve the "main" mystery until the last chapter considering an important character is introduced only in the second to last chapter.
>>722664632You consider Lion to be an important character? The hints are pretty strong in episode 6, and I'd argue he drops a lot of setup up until then even if it is tiny little details
>>722663726I think it's unfair to call it unfair. It's just something that was lost in translation.
>>722655304>errr the killer ackshually doesn't count as a butler... because xhe's a secret family member!>err there's no conspiracy>even though nanjo, kumasawa and genji (all butlers/staff members) collaborate with xer!>multiple different secret passages>>722659195it's kanon (he's trans)
>>7226646321. the epitaph is retarded asspull bullshit2. the killer is solvable by episode 3 at the very latest>jessica gets blinded>the "ghost" of kanon guides her to safety while she's blind>nanjo gets killed by beatrice>after nanjo is killed, eva-beatrice kills beatrice on screen>after this (beatrice is killed), eva lists everyone else as dead -> of course everyone is now dead because "beatrice" was killed after nanjo but eva lists characters alive at the current moment. it's literally so obvious it's unbelievable there are people who don't know it's kanon by the end of ep3.
>>722659085And knowing how to solve the epitaph is not important to the main mystery.
