>today is October 7th>we're exactly one month away from N7 DayFears?
I fear nothing. I already know what to expect. If you keep your expectations low for retards especially retarded devs, you’ll never be disappointed.
I enjoyed Andromeda because it has the sister.
>>722695735>Fears?mass effect 4 is still in production
>>722695735I like how you didn't even add the "Hopes and Expectations" part kek
>>722695735>Fears?ME and GoY collaboration
>>722695735>Fears?biotroons are still being allowed to work on ME4
>>722696095Apparently, that is correct, because nobody has put any work in this game in 2 years.Here's some things you might be interested in learning>The 2019 teaser was there to drum up interest in the IP and show EA there is still interest in ME, so the ME team wouldn't get laid off>There is no actual plan for the game>They have some concept art, that they made into merch, pic related>The game got rebooted some time in the past few months>They have nothing to show, so there will likely be a blog post, some more concept art maybe and nothing concrete again>Bioware recently, as in some time in the past 30 days, got a budget injection to start actually working on stuff>Nobody knows if that is going to last>Everybody is riding their paycheck until EA tells them to stop, or the game is out>All employees have been knocking the doors of other studios so they can at least land on their feet, and jump ship first chance they getSource is Insider Gaming
>>722695735>Fears?Listing all of them would exceed the character limit
Mattockthat's it, that's the whole post, i don't even need a picture of it
i think we're all plenty aware that they got nothing and even if they do its going to be shit anyways. im just glad we at least had something at some point
>>722697003i wonder how the EA adquisition by Oil princes will affect them
>>722696740what's GoY
>>722697003Yes please. Kill ME before the new game comes out. Leave is as an overtly ambitious, flawed trilogy with a distant second cousin nobody remembers exists in Andromeda.>show EA there is still interest in ME, so the ME team wouldn't get laid offIt is wild this was even a thing given ME was continuously more popular than Dragon Age.
How can i fear anything? The series has been dead after 2 and nothing could make it worse.
>>722697192>muh 1911 muh two world wars
>>722697457before*
>>722697235Unlikely to change anything, unless the price is a fan of Mass Effect.Bioware will continue to work for the foreseeable future as is.The TV show will be significant in the attempt to revive the IP.If the show fails, and the game fails, then there is nothing else to say or do.Do not expect the game to release before 2028, in my opinion. Considering they have done absolutely nothing with the title so far, I'd say a 2029 release will be more likely, although Bioware would want the game to release close to the TV show, for mindshare reasons.
>>722695735there is nothing to fearwe already saw teaser>female mc wank again>angara, the Andromeda ayyyliens that were designed by 12 year old and his crayonsthere won't be any reset or retcon just stitched together abomination
>>722697003It was weird that they were teasing plot lines we already had in the trilogy, geth, cerberus
>>722697331Dragon Age had a better RoI compared to ME, but DA always had more troubled development. Either due to engine problems, management issues, or EA's time constraints. The DA team were very proud of the work they did, all the way to Inquisition, even Veilguard for some. To most at Bioware, that Veilguard even released, let alone that it was playable somewhat, was a miracle.Unfortunately, not only was Inquisition extremely damaging to the IP, but by 2024, all DA mindshare was extinguished. ME, on the other hand, show Liara and imply Shepard is returning, and you have instant interest in the IP. While it is very circumstantial, Bioware are yet again operating in best case scenario mode, expecting the TV show to do all the marketing for them, revive the IP, and just have the game be whatever, with an all new cast and crew, slap ME on the cover and sell millions. An unlikely scenario.
>>722697603>unless the pricethe prince*
>>722697758They have nothing, and know nothing. The artwork, including the "Relay" ship that we saw, is an old artwork from as far back as 2012, if I recall.
>days between the release of ME1 and the release of ME3: 1568>days between the announcement of the new ME and today: 1762
>>722695735Let's be honest.All the crew that made the first 3 games based as hell are gone now.This new game is gonna turn out worse than Andromeda.>It's over.
>>722698261>The artwork, including the "Relay" ship that we saw, is an old artwork from as far back as 2012Prove it
>>722696331Fear? It isn't even IN production mate. It's in pre-production which means anywhere from "We drew some concept art" to "we made a texture in Unreal Engine."I know a guy who has spoken to someone on the inside. He would ban me from his Discord if he knew I told this, but he said that after the recent article that BioWare is afraid of layoffs, that internally nothing has actually happened for the past year. They're still "prototyping" very basic ideas in Unreal 5, and conceptualizing the story. CONCEPTUALIZING, not even writing. They're just wasting days, then going to meetings, and a meeting is like>So, what about time travel?>Like if the Andromeda and Milky Way merged?>Yeah, so that's how Ryder gets into the present timeline.>That's how the Geth reap the benefits of 2800 Remtech>Can this work?>I'll add it to the list of ideas.>Great. Next wednesday, let's meet again and talk about the dialogue system in Unreal 5.>Are we adding a third dialogue option?>I don't know. It's expensive.>We could also cut the Dialogue Wheel and make it a "Left vs Right" system?>I'm not sure. Let's talk about it wednesday.>Good.>Man, I'm playing Silksong when I get home, it's so fucking good. Have you played it?>Yeah. But my backlog is huge.>Remember to timelog this meeting. What was it, 1 hour?>Let's say we spent 2 hours on it.>Right. See you tomorrow. I'm gonna pick up my kids!
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg-Ctg6k_Ao>4 years ago and still nothing If they dont show anything this time I wont be surprised if the towel heads nuke them
>still expecting anything worth playing out of nu-fagware
>>722698261Even the Mudskipper, which was also shown in the 2019 teaser, is concept art from alternative vehicles they were designing for open world traversal, either since the original ME, or right after the decided they needed to do something other than the Mako.BTW, Jason Schreier reported in 2022 that open world maps would not be making a return as Bioware couldn't get it to work, and EA Amsterdam, the studio behind NFS and the new Skate, at the time still known as Ghost Games, was not greenlit by EA to help Bioware with the driving again, as they had done during Andromeda's development.
>>722698365Mike Gamble on twitter, something like 6 years ago.You can look for it yourself.
>>722699245>no open worldThis is good news
>>722698402The way I've understood it is that they had a huge amount of excitement to this project right before it was publically announced. Casey Hudson had crash-landed Anthem for them, and greenlit the remaster and greenlit this project, and sat in early meetings with the Andromeda leads deciding a new story with them that took place after ME3 in some way. Then things were going OK until they had to playtest Legendary Edition. At this stage it was just a remaster but the EA focus testing showed that ME1 had aged too poorly to review well internally by their gameplay testers, so they became unsure about it, prompting BioWare to go back and add gameplay additions to the first game, but delaying it 6 months from September 2020 to early 2021. The remaster was supposed to come out Q3 and then Game Awards would have this teaser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg-Ctg6k_AoIn that order, so that new and old fans were familiar and then getting that hype.But the delay meant the finances were looking grim in 2020 and even Mark Darrah admitted that Casey Hudson might have left right before some EA financial reporting, november that year (they left almost the same day). This demoralized the ME5 team a lot. Mike Gamble tweeted around this time "Disappointment!" after a streak of really excited stuff. He had been groomed to become the new Casey Hudson, but he had expected Casey to remain as General Manager.Following this, the writer of the project quit. Mac Walters quit because EA kept saying "Mass Effect OR Dragon Age. Nothing else." and he had checked out of the ME5 project.Then it kind of rebooted, so the story we're getting isn't really tonally similar to what is shown in that teaser. They had a pitch, which they've since then abandoned, to go back to more Andromeda-style slop.
>>722695735All I know is if something is shown and it has a Quarian and she ISN'T sexy, then the game would have already failed me.
>>722695735Hopes:EA removes that fucking awful ea app from Mass Effect Legendary Edition and puts it on GOGFears:Pretty much anything else.
>>722699558Keep voting. Also vote for the OT. I'm still cooking on some ME3 OT mod and I really don't want that game to get Anthem'd by EA.
>>722699432Liara was always better.
>>722698395I mean ...Currently, Bioware is all hands on deck being a support studio for DICE and Battlefield 6.As far as April, Bioware execs were posting on twitter/bsky about how their meetings were "what cupcakes are the best".They have not only done nothing since the restructure that happened in May, they've done nothing since Veilguard released, they've done nothing since 2023, and they've spent the years since 2019, when the game was announced, spitballing shit. And the game was "rebooted" after the May restructure, because nothing had been done up until that point.This is a trainwreck. Like, there is no way Bioware comes up with anything remotely presentable, under that working ethos. They don't want to work on this game, but they have nothing else going for them.
>>722699328>no sourceGot it
>>722699396>the EA focus testing showed that ME1 had aged too poorly to review well internally by their gameplay testersSounds to me like they should've executed those ""gameplay testers"" with a bullet to the back of the head
>>722699374Anon will bitch again about his unexplored worlds for ME1, while posting a skybox picture from 20 years ago.
>>7226997711's uncharted worlds and Andromeda's open world had little to do with one another. The former were bite sized and over in like 15 minutes max. The latter was the same brand of slop as Inquisition's needlessly huge maps.
>>722699698Do you think I am making these pictures on the fly, anon? Where did I get them? Reverse image search them and there's your source. You gotta do better than that.
>>722699729It's why the boss fights now have a ton of enemies added to them instead of the cinematic 1 v 1 with Saren it's supposed to be.I know that the gameplay "sucks" but the scenario matters. Now we know exactly why ME2 and ME3 became so generic under EA.
>>722700060Well, what did you think you'd be getting again? You're going to get some fuck huge maps with>Ice planet>Desert planet>Moss planet>Volcanic planet>Grassland planet>Hill planet>Jungle planetIf you're (un)lucky, you'll get all of them.
>>722699685Bioware hasn't done anything since DA:O. DA2 was just one city they plastered some shit over and DA3 & DA:I couldn't have been anything other than another team getting mixed up taking a stab at it. Even in ME they needed the NFS team to make their shit for them outside of romance and dialogue wheels. It's like Gamefreak but they are getting mercifully taken out back and shot instead of whatever is happening with GF.
>>722699396>They had a pitch, which they've since then abandoned, to go back to more Andromeda-style slop.Define Andromeda-style slop.Like, we're actually going to be back in Andromeda, or are we talking profiles instead of classes, jetpacks etc.?
>>722700302huhhh. i swear vanilla 1 had enemies with saren
>>722700518On Virmire and Citadel tower, yes, but when he turns to Metal Cooler, he fights alone.
>a schizo has derailed this thread saying that ME4 doesn't actually existthe director is literally on X and talks about the game all the time
>>722697003What a shame because that jacket looks damn cool with the helmet combo.
>>722699685>90% of the studio is just doing production on Non-BioWare gamesI forgot about that. This isn't how you make good collaborative products. In fact, one of the things BioWare did before they were part of EA was they allowed "conflict of interest" work in these low periods so they were extremely flexible with who could genuinely contribute to the project, and who were "waiting" until it was far enough along to need their help. But rather than quit the company they agreed with the Doctors to take work outside BioWare to support themselves and come back when they were needed. In some cases people also did work to help fund the game.This is similar to what we see in the documentary with Double Fine where we see the early days of their Microsoft acquisition, where the first thing the parent company attacks is the ability to do work outside the company while they're working for Microsoft. One woman is making children's books as side-work, and uses her scrapped concepts from Double Fine projects as ideas. The Microsoft suit tells her this might be a legal issue and she should consider finding work elsewhere.That's the kind of stuff that leads to the loss of creative cohesion with BioWare. That's how EA "killed" the studio, really. It's their processes and bureaucracy that seeped into the studio, causing the best people to say "fuck this place" and force certain processes over their usual working style. Then eventually they're just making generic AAA games under a "BioWare" moniker.
>>722700095>"Where did I get them"A post-December 2020 source>still cannot prove the images existed in 2012Got it
>>722700604LE really wiped my memory. ME1 looks and sounds so different just briefly watching a playthrough for that mission
>>722700749So you think these were made by someone, somewhere, a day or two, before it was shared online.You can be that dumb, if you want.
>>722700853Name a single remaster that doesn't ruin the original visuals, vision and intent.
>>722700657So cool, they put it into Veilguard.
>>722700515He probably means design, and tone-wise: Andromeda, rather than the stark, sexy universe they conceptualised in the trilogy
>>722700518They don't. On Virmire, you shoot at some geth, and then for like 1 second Saren flies in during gameplay, triggering a cutscene. When it resumes it's a 1-on-1 fight. No adds. Same with the Citadel Tower and same with the final one. Benezia always had those annoying Asari Commandos though.>>722700604This isn't correct.>>722700853He's incorrect.
>>722700515>>722701029Reminder
>>722697003Looks as generic and bland as humanly possible, like everything EA shits out. I have no expectations for this. I'm going to do for this the same thing I did for Andromeda and Veilguard, and simply not buy it. Anyone who actually loves these series I encourage to do the same. We are the fans, we have the power.
>>722701029So we're going for the gender neutral, mentally ill, HR approved art direction. Matt Rhodes, if he's still working there, either needs to grow a pair, or quit and make room for someone that has one.
>>722700972the 'remasters' also fucked up some animations and introduced other bugs iirc
>>722700635Probably the same schizo from yesterday's thread, posts the same way and is for some reason obsessed with always bringing up Mike Gamble any chance he gets
>>722701140Mike Gamble, just prior to Veilguard's release, went to twitter to say that they will specifically not be doing this. He can go back on it, he can lie about it even, but man, it's going to backfire hard.
>>722700657The jacket/silenced pistol combo screams stealthy operative to me, which if it was part of a good game would be amazing for me because I always wished Mass Effect had actual stealth as a gameplay mechanic outside of roleplaying as an Infiltrator. Like the new MC could be the N7 equivalent of Adam Jensen.
>>722697284the unchosen people
Mass Effect 1 and 2 are games that I'm embarrased to admit I've been a fan of as a teenager. There's two more sequels that pretty much everyone agrees were dogshit.Why would anyon expect anything good out of the series at this point?
>>722701356>the third game happens but it's rainbow people's take on stealth operative in the ME worldOk who pulled the monkey's paw on this one?
>>722700515The profiles system came from Ian Frazier who isn't working on the new game. 40% of MEA's devs were Kingdoms of Amalur developers. Their studio folded into BioWare Montreal a few years prior, and Montreal is a canadian game dev hub with a ton of AAA studios, so it's a magnet for certain types of devs. So the profile system isn't what I meant.I meant in terms of story concepting. They meant to get Casey and Mac back into the fold, and seriously think up a plausible narrative to happen not too long after ME3, and then also tie that into an Andromeda-type lore, but the game mainly taking place in Milky Way. But when Jay Watamaniuk quit (writer on ME3, lead writer on Anthem) they started pivoting the narrative to be more Andromeda 1.5 than it was in the beginning. They were going for a very ME3-vibey game with some post-war war-torn surroundings and some hints to an overarching connection to where Andromeda's narrative was going, but after Casey quit, Mac lost interest and in the last months of developing Legendary Edition he told the ME5 crew to stop asking him to join their meetings because he wasn't invested in the project anymore. Then Jay Watamaniuk quit the studio. He was a writer on 3 for scenes with Miranda and Grunt, and the Cerberus Sanctuary level. And after that they started pivoting it with help from John Dombrow before he got wrapped up in Veilguard. That's when they hired Mary DeMarle and the Lessons from the Screenplay dude. Then right before the 2023 layoffs Dombrow quit along with Jos Hendricks to work on Ghosts of Yotei.So there was a talent replacement between 2021 and 2022 which led to a shifted narrative/tonal direction which is better reflected in what we saw with that Trenchcoat ass Andromeda character. It's still gonna be something about Liara looking for Shepard's DNA, and the Geth holding on to some of it after being exiled by the Council in a future setting, but there's been a shift to how much it focuses on Earth.
>>722701192Here's the thing>EA doesn't sell IPs>Nobody else at EA wants to make Mass Effect>Bioware actively searched for other studios to expand the ME franchise and nobody wants to touch it, within EA>If Bioware closes, it is over for MENow, since the buyout, things can change>EA is in the hole by $20bn>Interest on that $20bn is $1bn a year>Net revenue for EA per year is ~$1.2bn>Nobody is making a $55bn buyout to make ~$200m a year>It is likely that EA will want to sell studios/IPs to make some of that debt money back asap, at least so that the interest won't be as severe>Bioware is hardly Bioware at this point>You can actually rehire some of the vets that either made their own studios, or are working at other studios, and make a better Bioware than the one that exists>So the name/staff means nothing to other publishers>EA would likely want hundreds of millions, if they were to sell any of the IPs>Anyone buying the ME IP would need to shell out cash for a damaged IP>ME would either get reset, or retconned, or continued on, depending on past marketing deals with third parties that will need to be respected>The prospect of starting over, in 10-20 years from scratch to redo ME3 again, without a clusterfuck ending, and recasting the OT crew kills the franchise either wayME has no future, if this game doesn't fix everything.
>>722701227For me, it's how they managed to fuck up the animation of Shepard touching his earpiece so his hand is always a good few inches away from his face
>>722701356What about the rest of your squad?
Fears? We don't care anymore; fuck off Bioware.
>>722701124>Benezia always had those annoying Asari Commandos though
Happy birthday, Vladimir Putin!
>>722700893>"So you think these images were made by someone, somewhere, then first shared online after the announcement they were tied to"*Yes, now:>still cannot prove the images existed in 2012Got it
>>722701980That honestly sounds really retarded. The only way this was ever going to work was if it was far enough that Andromedans could get back to the milky way which would be hundreds of years unless they suddenly jumped in tech. Don't tell me the "But we need to finish Shepard's story" fag was actually a dev trying to drum up interest in some retarded amalgamation of MW and Andromeda storylines happening just after the reaper invasion.The only way that the story could have been carried forward was if Andromeda back colonised the Milky Way after the Milky Way races lost in the Milky Way but Andromedans came back home and started an advanced civilisation while the Reapers were sleeping, therefore getting enough of an edge eventually to start fighting back. This would allow enough of a retcon to have a happy ending in the end, rather than Shepard surviving while most of the galaxy was destroyed and piracy ran rampant.
>>722701980>It's still gonna be something about Liara looking for Shepard's DNA, and the Geth holding on to some of it after being exiled by the Council in a future setting, but there's been a shift to how much it focuses on Earth.That sounds terrible. I mean, even if it focused on Earth, it's terrible. Like, I don't think anyone is interested in playing "The quest for Shepard's semen". Are we going to clone Shepard for future generations? The issue isn't just Shepard, with ME. Not to mention ... that person just isn't Shepard. You can't make Shepard just out of DNA samples, without the life experiences, and if you do, and it's the future, with all your crew dead, and potentially your LI, I'd just have my Shepard shoot himself in the head, every time.
>>722702040He's using the force, anon.
>HopesExploration of the universe pre-Shepherd, its the only wayMaybe have low stakes stories from the Human Turian wars, or from the Quarian Geth wars as some sort of merc>FearsThey inevitably try to 1 up the original trilogy in some post-shep galaxy that falls short and spends 40% of the story wanking shep, or god forbid, resurrect HIM again (Femshep will never be canon)
>>722702451That sounds terrible. Imagine relying on Andromeda to unfuck your franchise.
>>722702117¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>722702029>ME has no future, if this game doesn't fix everything.It doesn't have to fix everything. It just has to write around the endings while not trying to escape the immediate aftermath years in order to demonstrate that there's still room for discovering the rest of the original setting without it having jumped the shark. They ought to retcon the Crucible blast enough so that Destroy isn't REALLY killing all Synthetic life, and Control isn't REALLY able to do much to make the Reapers part of society and Synthesis didn't REALLY merge all DNA or some shit.You can address all 3 endings as "The Crucible went off which ended the Reaper's harvest" and then write in some branching ramifications for the new game like saying that Synthesis creates a bunch of mindraped people who believe you have to force metal parts together with organics, and these are now dangerous criminals that you encounter on exploration maps, but the world didn't literally change but the Reapers flew away because it basically reverse-indoctrinated them into ceasing the harvest, believing that their creators's conditions had been resolved.They mention names of species you never see in ME1 and there's several codices that mention that Council species have only mapped 1% of the galaxy. There's entire lives, histories, and space societies we didn't actually get to see during the trilogy, which live somewhere far away from the Council, and most likely had their own struggle against the Reapers, but survived as well, thanks to Shepard.You don't have to go to fucking Andromeda to spruce new life into the setting. It's fucking crazy that they don't realize how much there was left to see and do in their original backdrop.
>>722701826I like 3 more than 2
>>722702702>>It doesn't have to fix everything. It just has to write around the endingsWe call that game Andromeda.Didn't work.>>You can address all 3 endings as "The Crucible went off which ended the Reaper's harvest"Nobody is going to like the merged endings idea. It's not only a spit in the face of the people that are invested in their endings (remember: speculation for everyone), but also goes back on Bioware's "artistic integrity". Because you don't stand behind your vision, you actively shat on it, after stanning for it, for 13 years already. That just makes you a hypocrite. You can't do that. I mean, you can, but you will get SO much shit for it.>They mention names of species you never see in ME1 and there's several codices that mention that Council species have only mapped 1% of the galaxy. There's entire lives, histories, and space societies we didn't actually get to see during the trilogy, which live somewhere far away from the Council, and most likely had their own struggle against the Reapers, but survived as well, thanks to Shepard.I don't think anyone cares about any of that to sell 3 million copies of this game for $70.>>You don't have to go to fucking Andromeda to spruce new life into the setting. It's fucking crazy that they don't realize how much there was left to see and do in their original backdrop.I think there is no life to be breathed into the setting because nobody cares about the setting anymore. Like, you mention earlier a bunch of aliens we never met. Who gives a fuck about them?
>>722702702This anon gets it. Shitloads of other anons too throughout the years and the threads. Make the new game take place a handful of decades after 3 but no more than a century at most. Deal with a low stakes story focused on exploring the rebuilding of the galaxy and the lives of those in it. Don't suck Shepard's cock for the sake of nostalgia and for the love of god do not set the game post-Andromeda just to forcibly use lore from a game nobody liked.
>722703074This is indeed the schizo from past threads. You've been warned. Do not engage.
>>722702702It's a shame Andromeda has some of the tightest gameplay of the series, though it pushed a little too much into COD-like nonstop action.But like you said there is so much of the MW untouched. There are a million things you could do pre-trilogy or even post>Black op in some outer rim where you can do funky shit with element zero>Mercenary shit in terminus systems>Any number of wars mentioned in the codex>even post reapers, we know ships can travel local clusters relatively easy, so just do small scale story about trying to keep some survivor conclave alive in a small cluster of 4 stars or some shit whilst contending with some new race
>>722702460>Are we going to clone Shepard for future generations?They are going to make that retarded DLC canon
Just retcon the ending of 3. Shep blow up the Reapers, that's it.
>>722703243Citadel was never not canon, and that clone ended up a smear on the side of a building
>>722702460So, Andromeda was loosely based over tropes of the trilogy, mixed with tablescraps from an earlier version of ME1's narrative in which it was about a race of machines having created a race of organics. Thy name is the Jardaan and the Angara. This was referred to as the "Master Slaves" draft.The next game is then based on scrapped ideas from ME2, in which it wasn't Cerberus that did the Lazarus project, but the Geth, who found Shepard drifting in space, having died, and then brought him back to life through a synthesis like project.So now it's kind of that mixed with a conspiratorial intrigue narrative around AI "Human Rights" vs established Powers that Be of the Council. So it's a narrative that builds up like a mystery, like ME1 chasing Saren, or Witcher 3 finding Ciri, but you're a new protagonist sent by the Council to look for Liara T'Soni because they're trying to capture and silence her. She's looking for the Geth to bring Shepard to life, and unravel the Benefactor narrative from MEA, because the Council knew about the threat of the Scourge (it's basically a deepstate plot where the Council knew about the Reapers and about 5 other problems that might threaten existence) and sent someone along with the Andromeda initiative to prevent the problem from spreading to our galaxy in the future, and the Geth are the key to uncovering that, whilist also using their newfound individualism to demand their own place in galactic society and synthetics to have rights.Liara wants to stop the Scourge, and needs Shepard to come back because s/he actually survived past ME3 in this timeline (or retcon of the 3 endings) but only for a while and then vanished and said to have died, but knows the coordinates to a relay that can link across dark space built by Geth who are spreading towards Andromeda in search of freedom.And then they're fictionalizing the science that our 2 galaxies are on collision course, to cause some sort of time-dilation retardation.
>>722702460>You can't make Shepard just out of DNA samples, without the life experiencesThey already touch on this VERY plot point in ME3 DLC, it would be omega retarded to retread it again
>>722703261No need to do that, most people already chose Destroy. In order from least to most chosen:>Refuse: 8%>Control: 17%>Synthesis: 30%>Destroy: 45%
>>722703243What DLC? You mean Citadel? It is canon.
>>722702616>Imagine relying on Andromeda to unfuck your franchise.Imagine relying on ME3. I rest my case.
>>722703384This is a monumental clustefuck and deep state shit the type of things Alex Jones talks about. This sounds retarded as fuck. Is this for real? This was going to be the plot?
>>722695735The only hope left for Mass Effect is that it be sold to some other studio once the Saudis and Kushner's PE firm take over. Bioware can't make shit worth dick anymore so you may as well pawn the IP off to someone who could. Especially if EA's future is just gonna be AI-generated Madden, FIFA and Battlefield.
>fears?I fear nothing. They gave me an amazing trilogy and nothing they do further will ever take away from that, even if they eventually make a sequel that retcons half the shit your shep did. I just won't play it, and I'll do another replay of the trilogy instead.What a lovely 3 games :)
>>722703101The good news is that this is sort of what they were doing.WERE doing. The early pitch was less Andromeda oriented than it is now, but it's still more or less the same overarching idea. It's probably a very large game but it's trying to do too many things at once like ME3 did when it should just be a small-scale "extra" plot to set up POTENTIAL future narratives to start their own "Chapter 1s" of new sagas.But what they're doing now looks more like this is Chapter 1 of the new saga, and the first 10% of the story will feel like a deescalation of ME3, but then there's a new "Ancient Evil" that's introduced immediately after that, and they're setting it up to have a retarded sequel-bait ending like Veilguard had, and probably getting shut down right after releasing the game so that it ends up never getting expanded upon.The perfect thing they could've done, knowing their' going to close after this comes out, is to make that "Aftermath" narrative, which sets up a handful of threads indicating a larger problem, but without introducing the new antagonist species in this game, and instead making it like a Batarian Warlord ganging up with other ex-Council stragglers, and going for a power-grab now that the council is weakened in the post-war depression without Mass Relays. Then this is a little self-contained narrative about relinking a relay network and helping the poor, while searching for meaning in a new post-Reaper setting, just small scale enough for a new protagonist to reach N7-level hero status, and bring back a handful of characters from ME3 who can address various fanservice related questions along the way. Then at the end such a game you'll feel like the whole franchise has finally "landed" and now you can take or leave the rest of it, if they ever get to make more of it.But nope, they're going for Chapter 1 of a bombastic, mega, EPIC, SAGA of I don't give a shit.
>>722703602So, what? We're just gonna ignore how ME3 fucks the franchise, do something retarded on the side and hope it sticks? This is a Hail Mary, not a plan. This is exactly what we did with Andromeda. How many attempts at it do we need to have?
>>722703629The IP would cost too much for the type of damaged brand it is. Nobody is going to buy it.
>>722703602>Imagine relying on a generally liked gameYes? It's not 2012 anymore
>>722703617"Deep state" is my assertion and might be a poor read of what they're going for. But the idea is that the Council, since ME1 or so, have had a palette of known threats to existence and not just the Reapers, and one of them is the Scourge from Andromeda. Just like the Reapers they don't want the public to panic unless the threat is known to actually happen within the next few years, so they're trying to silence the voices that are about to unravel the Scourge issue, which is why Liara is now basically wanted.
>>722703101>for the love of god do not set the game post-Andromeda just to forcibly use lore from a game nobody liked.Yeah...about that.
So uh... is nobody gonna ask anon where he's getting this info from? Because it smells like pic related to me.
>>722703101>>722702702>working with ME3Kek.>>722703074>Andromeda didn't workAndromeda was a shit written game, the concept itself is fine.>Who gives a fuckThat's the entirety of the problem. They should have steamrolled into retconning the endings to be meaningless drivel due to the Reapers winning and then giving us a 10-50 THOUSAND year timeline to deal with the Reaper threat by back colonising the Milky Way or just having enough survive to build back quickly enough while the Reapers slept.Even the game developers don't even care any more and it's not even the original devs, just a bunch of multicultural inner-city youth. So in the end it doesn't matter what they do so long as they do it and stand behind it. Just without Veilguarding.
>>722698395Brutal. I can't believe they dont just use the refuse ending and pick up with some species finding Liara's VI early.
>>722703101Does this really address what the fanbase has been asking for since 2012, though? Like, we posted yesterday how even Mike Gamble acknowledged it in a Bioware blog post. Does this game keep the lights on at Bioware, to make for another game? If the point is to just close the studio down, just close it down, but does this actually give them a shot at something? Does it sell enough for EA to not old-yeller them? Does this generate the interest ME needs?
>>722704037>the concept itself is fineNo it was not. The Milky Way was stated and known to be like 1% explored during the OT. Creating a giant ass expedition that fucks off to a different galaxy lightyears away 600 years from now because "we need to explore!" will never not be unbelievably fucking retarded
I thought N7 Day was November 7th
>>722703790IMO the big lesson of Citadel DLC is that "it's about the characters" is totally true, but the failure of plot will always stick out like a sore thumb of failed potential unless they ACTUALLY address it.Citadel DLC is like this beautiful getting your last moments that ME3 should have, but failed to do, where they wrote in permutations of plots in the dialogue, show the crew properly finalizing their relationships with Shepard, and even digging into plots they never got to, like the Citadel Archives bringing us back to where it all started, recapping the entire lore and confluence of problems in the galaxy, that the Reapers's "Catalyst moment" probably SHOULD Have been about somehow, but it's all done over this stasis of being an extraneous narrative to the actual series. Citadel DLC feels like a bunch of actors go on a theater stage with no set. We love all those characters, but the entirety of the setting that's supposed to make them believable is forgotten.Andromeda has a similar feeling, because they're trying to escape and abandon the very thing that used to make the franchise so believable: The continuity of the original setting.That's why they never will be able to do anything right before they unfuck the ME3 endings and "land" the series, and leave it open to future expansion by fans or other developers, or maybe an Ex-EA version of BioWare if the stars and moons align.
>>722703789>bring back a handful of characters from ME3 who can address various fanservice related questions along the wayThat's maybe a youtube watch, anon. If this is ... even the original plan is maybe a Grok question, at best. How does this make people care for Mass Effect?
Bioware is dead. No one is left who can make a good game. Accept it, and enjoy the games they made when they were good.>>722703427Retcon Destroy so it didn't kill the Geth and EDI, only the Reapers.Make the high war asset with Shepard alive canon if you want him to appear (not playable though, move on to someone new)
>>722704231It is. OP is just mentioning that we're a month out from that date. Wondering what we should expect to see, if anything at all.
>>722703790At the time, Andromeda was a spin-off. It tried to pull away from the Milky Way and not say who won. Venturing into a whole different galaxy is not retarded for a space-faring race.>>722703868>generally liked>generally generated so much butthurt they had to re-release the ending>generally likedYeah ok, let's talk more about things that didn't happen.
>>722703917This is like maybe a $25 side title, overall. If Bioware needs to sell 3 million copies of this, at $70, they're going out of business. This is below Veilguard levels of interest plot.
>>722703848With the amount of debt that's about to be saddled on EA, they're not gonna have very many choices.Besides, the 'damage' to the IP stems entirely from it being under EA/Bioware. People would welcome a 'Mass Effect sold to X' headline with open arms.
>>722703427Synthesis is so clearly the ending they wanted to be the best one. But thinking people choose Destroy because they can see the narrative failings happening in real-time and reject it for a non-ideal, but ultimately more plausible outcome to the whole thing.
>>722704137Yes retard, because no matter what you think the weird fanfic in your head says, all they need to do to revive ME is have good writing. No buts or ifs or "muh Shepard" or "muh endings" or anything else matters. Not Liara, not Andromeda. Just have good writing. That'll mean you'll have a likeable MC, because he's well written. That'll mean you'll have memorable squadmates, because they'll be well written. That'll mean you'll have a new view of the galaxy that players will want to know more of, because it'll be well written. People have been sucking BG3's cock for two years and that game is completely disconnected from the Bhaalspawn Saga and whenever it isn't, it fucks things up (Viconia, Sarevok). Why? Because people at large believed it to be well written and fell in love with the presentation of the world, the main plot and especially the squadmates.Nothing else matters. And no, what "the fanbase (read: redditors and (You) ) has been asking for since 2012" ie Shepard fanfic continuation should not be done unless you want Mass Effect to crash and burn with cringy nostalgia bait.
>>722703790ME2 did irreparable damage to the setting. 3 was just retarded for sticking with it.
>>722704185>Creating a giant ass expedition that fucks off to a different galaxy lightyears away 600 years from now because "we need to explore!" will never not be unbelievably fucking retardedSays guy from society that made Mars rovers before it could reliably explore the bottom of the ocean on their home planet.
>>722704037>the concept itself is fine.No, it's not. You put 100k people on ships with no guns, to go to a galaxy you'd never been before, had no idea what you'd come across, based on some dodgy method from some jury rigged relays that aren't supposed to work that way, to colonize worlds you have no business going to.If going to Andromeda was so easy, why did no other race from the Milky Way do it before us? The Protheans had conquered the galaxy, allegedly, and didn't expand to Andromeda. Nor any other cycle before them. Not to mention, what about Andromeda's synthetics and the Reapers? Do you understand the implications Andromeda has to the setting? It fucks up EVERYTHING!
Somehow the Illusive Man returned...
>>722704417Not necessarily. It's a multifaceted storyline with one central thread being about searching for Liara, meeting her about 30% through, and then meeting Shepard and becoming part of the Geth plot. Between this, there's backstory for "the years after ME3" in a flashback sense, because that's the only way they could get specific narrative states addressed while dodging larger world-state questions like the Krogan clans or whether the Geth/Quarian lost their war, and just how fucked the galaxy is after the war.It's still gonna have another central thread about the galaxy being in recovery, and the arc of a new protagonist who has to wrestle between speaking truth to power with his own employer, the council (cuz it's another spectre), and actually serving their interest in protecting civilizational peace. But there's totally gonna be some giant slumbering evil in the background of the narrative. Idk if that's gonna be a final boss or not. Idk much about what the "villain" is from what I was told.
>>722704631It's unbelievably retarded, yeah.
>>722704453>>With the amount of debt that's about to be saddled on EA, they're not gonna have very many choices.They can't give it in a fire sale, though. There are better IPs in EA's vault than Mass Effect that would actually be worth the money EA would ask. With the amount of work that ME would need, I can't see it being worth the effort.
>>722704271The Citadel DLC is fucking awful in everything from tone, and writing, to the jarring plot of it.I cannot believe I played the same sequence to everyone who gushes over it. ME3 provided politics about race wars and genocide but the fans of the game wanted the crew to stand around awkwardly, sway their arms and make meta jokes like tumblr fanartalso the citadel archives fuck over some decent lore to top it off
>Have one of the most infamously worst fucking endings to any IP >Try to """""""""reboot"""""""" series half a decade later in another fucking galaxy so you don't have to retcon/write around your terrible ending instead of setting it within the galaxy/setting that people actually liked>Wonder why there's zero interest in the IP/Series and you might be laid off
>>722704406>no argumentI'll accept the concession
>>722704657>didn't expand to AndromedaThat you know of. For all we know they could have went somewhere else.>based on some dodgy methodThe relays were used to look. The transport happened by mass effect FTL.>Do you understand the implications Andromeda has to the setting? It fucks up EVERYTHING!Do you understand the implications of ME3? It fucks up EVERYTHING!
>>722698268>the first 2ftfy
>>722704657>You put 100k people on ships with no guns,They brought Krogan and Batarians too, not just people.
>>722704963God Andromeda was so fucking stupid from start to finish.
>>722704583>>Yes retard, because no matter what you think the weird fanfic in your head says, all they need to do to revive ME is have good writingNobody trust Bioware to have good writing in their games. The brand is damaged. Both the Bioware brand and the ME brand. If nobody buys the game, because what the first trailer show shit that people aren't interested in, like the Veilguard trailer, who is going to check to see if the writing is actually good or not? Besides the fact that the writing is just not going to be good enough to earn those sales to begin with, even if it were given the chance.>People have been sucking BG3's cock for two years and that game is completely disconnected from the Bhaalspawn SagaAre you really gonna equate Throne of Bhaal's ending with ME3? One was a shitstorm, the other wasn't. These things aren't the same. One is a damaged brand, the other isn't. Do you not understand that?
>>722704720Pass. Like, I'm not even gonna argue with it, hard pass. If Bioware thinks they can sell it, sell it.
>>722704631The moment you accept Andromeda's premise is the moment the ME setting dies harder than went Cerberus found out a way to cure death and bring a corpse asphyxiatied in space then burnt up in atmospheric reentry at terminal velocity before crashing against the solid surface of a planet back to life.
>>722705048Just because I sat on my toilet today and release a storm of shit doesn't mean I won't be back there tomorrow. You underestimate the modern audience, anon.
>>722695735This thread feels like it was made by a bioware social media manager.
>>722704890>That you know ofThe point shouldn't be to damage the franchise even more. So these Protheans left the Milky Way, and fucked off, forever. Also, Javik didn't know about it, that he just has some next door neighbor Prothean cousins. Which makes the whole memory crystal thing moot and pointless.>The relays were used to lookThey're not built for that.>Do you understand the implications of ME3? It fucks up EVERYTHING!Which is why ignoring it, and pretending it didn't fuck up the franchise and continuing on like nothing is wrong won't solve anything.
>>722702702I really fucking hate how Bioware constantly throughout its IP's and games just refuse to do small scale stories (Outside of arguably Mass Effect 2 even then that's supposed to be about combating the Reapers overall/getting ready for ME3) You always have to be the most important asshole in the galaxy which is fun but it means they try to throw out entire settings/backdrops of the world because they want you to always be the chosen one instead of just doing a smaller scale story.You didn't need to travel a trillion billion miles to another galaxy for fuck sake just do a small scale game about something like a war brewing with the Terminus Systems This also applies to Dragon Age where they've made you a new "MOST IMPORTANT ASSHOLE AROUND" 4 fucking times in a row Fuck off
>>722704963>They brought Krogan and Batarians too,That's what annoys me most about Andromeda: it was supposed to be a fresh start for the series, but they're reusing previous races from the Milky Way. If they wanted a fresh approach like ME1, why bring them back? It should have just been humans plus a new set of new races from the Andromeda Galaxy.Andromeda has a serious case of identity crisis. It doesn't know if it wants to be a soft reboot or a sequel.
>>722705236You really think you can do a whatever, X years in the future, and the game will sell, even if nobody is asking for that game.Do it. I dare you to do it.
>>722705374Because otherwise, it's a new IP and nobody is going to buy it. Which is why it needs to have some things from Mass Effect.
>>722704820It entirely depends on the context of when and how you played it for the first time.Citadel worked extremely well as a piece of bonus content put together 1 year after a huge controversy and the entire fandom becoming depressed over the ending and BioWare in general, and then being removed from the experience to go back in and finally just get something that isn't trying to retcon or justify shit that didn't come to pass in ME3's plot that already ended, but just be an isolated piece of content with old characters speaking with the player one final time before saying goodbye, and adding 110% humor because the story already ended.But in Legendary Edition, which is just the game shipped with all DLC interalized, the in-game unlocking of Citadel DLC is atrocious, and for continuity reasons they wrote is as if it's canonical to the middle of the plot, but as you say, it completely clashes tonally and feels like a showstopper to the Reaper narrative.Anyone who played these games after 2013, unassumingly and just bump into Citadel DLC halfway through the game are going to have an off-putting experience with it. For me, as someone who couldn't believe how badly they flubbed the main story and spent a full year in grief mode, I fucking loved Citadel DLC when it came out.
>>722705042Imagine how good it could have been if it were just a nebulously ME3 thing where the krogan, now cured of the genophage, are just shipped off to another galaxy to be someone else's problem. Krogan-centric story focused on colonization and expansion with a dialogue wheel that includes "headbutt" and "threaten" in every interaction.
>>722705338That and the antagonist is always denoted with a "DARK, LOUD, SINISTER VOICE, AND GENERIC DIALOGUE."This won't be any different.
>>722705048>Nobody trust Bioware to have good writingAnd that's their fucking issue, one that won't be magically fixed by making the The Force Awakens of Mass Effect games. "Boo-hoo we need to prove ourselves after more than a decade of shit games". Do it or shut the fuck up and look for another job.>If nobody buys the game, because what the first trailer show shit that people aren't interested inMake a better trailer>b-buMake a better fucking trailer. Marketing can sell, quite literally, anything it wants. Veilguard's trailer was shit. Had Veilguard been the exact same game, but been disingenuously given a trailer akin to Warden's Calling with rock and gore and tits people would've tripped over each other to run defense for the game and "le BioWare finally listening to le fans!". There's nothing stopping you from making a non-retardedly bad trailer outside of DEI fentanyl fiends like Patrick Weekes and others self-sabotaging themselves>b-but muh LiaraMake a better fucking trailer>Are you really gonna equate a beloved RPG 'trilogy' that was revived with a game people were skeptical about but ended up being beloved with another beloved RPG trilogy that's being revived with a game people are skeptical about but could end up loving if the game turned out against all odds to be good?Yes. Have good writing, and make good trailers. I'll accept the concession otherwise
>>722705202>80k people signed up!That's not the implausible part. I'll admit I was so smoked out of my gourd that I barely remember Andromeda other than the gameplay actually not being too bad despite how repetitive the game was with shit writing.I mean we have entire off-the-books Cerberus planets with >80k population in ME1. Also the nexus is less than half the size of the Citadel. Omega station is 44km long. Citadel is around that length so nexus isn't even close to improbable.
>>722705496Turians/Humans/Salarians and maybe a couple Asari/Elcor would have made sense as a core set of species. it gets increasingly hard to justify others given existing tensions in the setting.
>>722704657And on top of that they gave gene therapy to the krogan while in cryosleep so they could breed like rabbits upon arriving. It's retarded beyond belief.
>>722705595You are not even addressing any of the things I said, and going on your own tangents. Take your meds.If you want to strawman, find a hay field.
>>722705338bioware has always followed the same story template since baldur's gate, they are creatively lazy
>>722704820>also the citadel archives fuck over some decent loreIt tried to fix the retarded "Ah yes Reapers we've dismissed that claim" by making it seem like the Council did believe in them but lied to avoid panic. As many things 3 did to fix 2's mistakes, too little too late.
>>722705724>bg 1>bg 2>a decade>bg 3 made by suen and marketed by tenshill>le billionsIt's that simple.
>>722705595>And that's their fucking issue, one that won't be magically fixed by making the The Force Awakens of Mass Effect games. "Boo-hoo we need to prove ourselves after more than a decade of shit games". Do it or shut the fuck up and look for another job.The issue is that the higher ups are always concerned with how they're "branding" Mass Effect. Every time they make a new game they're tired of whatever the previous one was, and want to "modernize" it. That's how they end up making asinine decisions like intentionally going for a "CW Tone" for Andromeda, because they wanted it to be so that if the Trilogy was a 90s TV show, the new games are 2000s CW TV shows.There's just people at the top who "love" Mass Effect but don't actually respect it. They don't know the lore properly. They have a superficial impression of how the franchise feels and looks, and want to keep thinking outside the box on how it should be updated. That's how you end up with this false fascination with a Force Awakens thing because they view it in terms of staying "On trend" instead of "staying Mass Effect".
>>722704890Retard
>>722704915>the first oneftfy
>>722705296See >>722701239
>>722695735Asari but they’re all ugly and lots of black people
>>722705869ME1 is the only good game in the series. It shouldn't be a controversial opinion.
>>722705601>I mean we have entire off-the-books Cerberus planets with >80k population in ME1That was back when Cerberus was dubiously System Alliance glowie deniable assets instead of the galactic superpower it suddenly was ME2 and the omnipresent menace the writer decided he wanted in ME3.
>>722705338They could've easily, unironically, set the game in a single solar system with quality over quantity of space navigation, where every planet and moon is a wildly different location from one another. Hell they could've made an FPS CoD game set during the war, or an LA Noire game where you play as C-Sec, or a horror game where you're a miner trapped underground with a Reaper artifact and you explore the spooky side of indoctrination akin to Dead Space's Markers.
>>722705656BUH WE NEED THE KROGAN SO WE HEAR ABOUT THE GENOPHAGE FOR THE 111th TIME!!!
>>722705601>around that length so nexus isn't even close to improbab>>722704778Refresh your memory on how large other ships are. Each of those "arks" is nearly as large as the Ascension jobbership.
>>722695735I am shocked there hasn't been a ME1 remake announced. Not an HD Remaster, but I think remaking the trilogy would probably sell a ton.
>>722705515>feels like a showstopper to the Reaper narrativeIt's literally just a weekend party while the Normandy's in dry dock
>>722705820Is Baldur's Gate a damaged brand? Or is it a trilogy, Throne of Bhaal included, that ended well and is widely recognised as one of the best RPG experiences, not only of the late 90s-early 00s, but of all time? Yes? Cool. Can you say that it went just as well for ME? No. Did it get another sequel that was shit? Also yes. Did the studio that made those two games go on to make two more shit games? Also yes. We've been making Bioware memes since 2017. Nobody's forgetting, nobody is giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt, and the fact that it says Mass Effect on the cover means jack shit to 99.999999% of gamers out there.And your solution is to pretend nothing is wrong, make a sequel that addresses none of the things people care, in a way that matters, and it will sell millions because you showed a trailer with nothing anyone wants to see.It doesn't make sense to me.You have to do a better job explaining to me why this will work.
>>722706084BioWare hasn't got the money for it. I doubt EA would be too keen on funding it either.
>>722705869>the second oneftfy>>722705976>ME2 is the only good game in the series. It shouldn't be a controversial opinion.ftfy
>>722695735I dunno. Honestly it is hard for me to care about Mass Effect. ME1 is really good, ME2 is the world's best sidequest, and then ME3 is pretty shit. Andromeda doesn't even count. All of the people who originally made it are gone and their last two attempts ended poorly. It is like being excited for Dragon Age.
>Mass Effect game where you're just a Captain of a ship going around and solving disputes, uncovering mysteries/crimes never everMass Effect 1 is the peak of the series for being closest to that concept alone.One of the shittiest things about modern game development is realising that loads of game concepts literally just can't happen anymore with AAA games because of the mandates publishers put on stuff.
>>722705338Imagine a C-Sec game.Takes place entirely on the Citadel. You're a new recruit. Pick your species and start off as a low level guy and work up to detective. If you set it up after the trilogy, then you can say that more species join C-Sec, and not just the Turian, Human, and Asari we see before. Deal with low level gangs, all the way up to corrupt officials.They say that the 5 ward arms are all different, and some areas are totally unique. So there's room to have areas like the Hanar in an aquatic zone that they move fast in, and you are slow in a diving-esque suit. Or like the part in the Citadel DLC after you escape from the restaurant and fight threw back alleys.They can even have a morality system where you can be a dodgy cop, or do things by the book.
>>722706052If the Salarians had chipped the Krogans in their sleep to use them as disposable shock troopers I'd have bought a dozen copies for friends instead of refunding the one.
>>722706156Honestly might be what they have to do if they wanna keep the IP alive after Bioware inevitably goes under. I don't know who will get the IP rights.
>>722706159gameplay sucks and recruitment/loyalty missions feel like a slog after a while
>>722706214You're basically asking for a Star Trek game, and yeah it is clear that ME1 was really influenced by Trek.
>>722706231Probably so but still EA ultimately doesn't give a damn unless it's FIFA, Madden, NBA, etc. What would be an ideal company that could hold the rights? CDPR, Larian, Owlcat?
>>722705724You haven't said anything other than wanting Liara and Shepard back because you feel you're owed something because you're still mad about the endings but dislike Bioware but also want them to continue Shepard's story but also know they'll have bad writing but also want them to do it anyways. Get an actual argument you don't copypaste from thread to thread or fuck off>>722705854>That's how they end up making asinine decisions like intentionally going for a "CW Tone" for AndromedaI'm the anon that posted that pic, and I doubt "the higher ups" asked for that over Bioware Montreal's writers themselves. Unless by higher ups you mean people at Bioware itself over *insert generic looking EA jew in a suit here*. They got it mostly right three times in a row and it stood the test of time as shown by normies playing the trilogy for the time first with LE, surely someone at some point is to realize there's no "magical combination of images from the past" that will miraculously make a good game by itself. To think otherwise is to think Rings of Power is good because "I too, like Lord of the Rings fellow human and this has Lord of the Rings names attached to it"
>>722706058>shipsIt was a station. Refresh your memory on how huge Omega was.>>722706145>but>it's>a damaged brand>*wipes tear*>some furry shitWho cares, get scuffed faggot. Didn't read.>>722706214The fucking timeline and grandiosity was the problem Biowere had since day 1. Fuck.>>722706258Yes he is and it's what people wanted. Instead after one game they chased mass appeal and ruined mass effect.
>>722706226Wow anon, that sounds like a great idea. Lets make some changes to appeal to a broader demographic though. That space police thing? Not going to fly with the modern audience. How about this. Your character tries applying, then discovers CERBERUS is running c-sec.
>>7227062582 is more like a Trek game but it also sucks cause it destroys the setting and “improves” the gameplay by turning it into Gears of War 2.0. Then the Terminus Systems being this disappointing shithole where its all council races minus some Vorcha on Omega.
>>722706540I don't care about Liara.Can we agree that Bioware's games are mid? Therefore, forgettable. Right?
>>722706226That sounds like a kino idea. I always thought Mass Effect as a setting could explore different places. It doesn't have to be some grand adventure if you know what you're doing. There's a ton of ideas worth exploring. It'd also be cool if we could actually play as one of the different species. I know the trilogy was all about Humanity finding it's place. But it would be nice to see a view of the galaxy from a different perspective.
>>722706567>>Who cares, get scuffed faggot. Didn't read.So when I ask you to explain to me why you think this will work, your only answer is to insult me.
>>722705869kek it'd be funnier if it wasn't true, fuck
>>722706567Omega's retarded but it's been around for at least a half-millennia unknown amounts of expansion. It's a mine built in and on an asteroid stripping ezero out. It isn't a ship.
>>722706226>They can even have a morality system where you can be a dodgy cop, or do things by the book.True Crime: C-Sec would be fucking kino
Everyone who wants a low-stakes scrappy adventure should play star wars outlaws and stop asking for low-stakes plots
>>722707037>star wars outlawsUbislop? No thanks.
>>722707037No.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIoAeZlzLOE
>>722706635>That space police thing? Not going to fly with the modern audienceYou jest but that's unironically what redditors have said over Garrus' ME1 arc where he wants to be a cop that bends the rules to get the bad guys. Meanwhile söyboys believe that to be icky nowadays because hurr durr ACAB
>>722707037Nothing says "low stakes" like having Jabba the fucking Hutt come to your rescue and Darth Vader appearing in cutscenes
Do find it funny that in ME1 the council takes the Terminus systems as a serious thread and then you go to it in ME2 and it's a complete shitholeI get it the idea is that they'd unify and become a serious threat if the council pushed them too much but it's just funny that in ME1 they're worried about them starting a retaliatory war if the council get involved (part of that is just the council being lazy retards) and then you actually go there and it's lots of pirate worlds, slums and Vorcha retards having a race war with everyone while attempting to poison normies because the collectors/reapers told them to
>>722707037I tried it with Ubisoft Goy+ and it was so fucking boring A shame because I like the idea.If the gameplay was stronger or the Story at least as engaging as the Jedi games I'd probably be more into it but it's just standard Ubisoft slop unfortunately
>>722707198Maybe, but overall you're not going into space battles with star destroyers, blowing up the death star, etc, even if the final battle is a little grandiose. Unearned grandiose, though.
>>722706848>the setting has established that the new races can build tens of kilometre long space thingsYes.>>722706765You're a damaged human being.
I don't know what's worse: not having Liara or modern Bioware fucking her up even more
>>722707285Even then, who cares about Star Wars nowadays? Like, the next Jedi game by Respawn, sure, because it wraps up the trilogy, but outside of that, is anyone really going to buy Disney slop?
>>722701140>CWCountry and Western?
>>722707404Overrated.
>>722707219It's more that Terminus was soft retconned between games. The way it's spoken about during the Ilos kerfuffle makes it sound like its own government with a huge military ruled by its own alien species. Like if the Council was the USA Terminus would be Russia. But then you go there in 2 and it's basically just Aria in Omega and everywhere else it's just random unaffiliated pirates.
>>722707452Incorrect.
>>722707349>>You're a damaged human being.You say that, but you don't answer the question.What are you doing? Is there a reason to it?If you have this idea about what ME should be, or should do, and how, then you must have some idea why it should work, that goes against what I've seen the fanbase ask for 13 years now. Help me understand what you see. I'm trying to be as open-minded as I can.
>>722707442No, the CW Network. Formerly the WB Network. It's a channel with a lot of cheap schlock shows. With only a few stand outs like Supernatural. Overall the writing quality of those programs can really be seen in Andromeda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7RPQMBhVcM
>>722707285Andromeda's problem in a nutshell. It's the execution that is a problem.
>>722703314>>722703508Most of my playthroughs never engage with the citadel DLC, or even have it installed. There is no canon storyline in ME
>>722707551Objectively correct.
>>722707442'merican broadcast network known for shitty young adult shows like The Flash
>>722707442The CW was a channel that did a lot of those DC TV super hero shows, like Arrow, Flash, Supergirl and a few other ones. Generally mid to bad writing, low budget productions, the channel never turned a profit.
>>722707560>that goes against what I've seen the fanbase ask for 13 years nowThe fanbase asked for a well written story. Biowere wrote itself into a corner with the tight timeline of the original trilogy. The solution is to let it build up over time instead of the hamfisted me2 -> me3 progression. Part of that is a retcon of some form or another>but the fandom askedFor a good game.
>>722707349>space thingsBIG difference between a space station and a space ship. >>722707404Memory stealing whore forced herself on my Shepherd then used his knowledge and skills to become a glowie
>>722707643Well, the LE, which Bioware GM Gary McKay called "definitive" comes with it installed regardless. It's existence is canon.
>>7227044063's opinion *has* been steadily changing over the last decade. Doubly so after LE, triply so after people started arguing the whole "2 fucked up first and 3 just picked up the pieces"
>>722707756Is it really going to be that good a game that everyone will see it and want to play it? See the new companions, that fans have historically, at this point, overwhelmingly rejected in every new game since DA2, every new protagonist since DA2, gameplay, setting, writing, story, and this game will do it? Now? Are we sure? Because I can't believe that.
>>722707551She's a writer's past that effectively retconned in personality in 2 and she never recovers
>Decide to replay series >Get to ME3 >Stop halfway through>Don't finish>Wait a few years>RepeatAnyone else?It's just so fucking boring and shit Still not gotten more than an hour into Andromeda because it's so fucking boring too
>>722708002She's still best girl in Mass Effect 1 which is the only game that matters.
>>722707967>DA2 sucked>people reject it>see people don't like new companions when they're badly writtenYou must be one of those troons who write games for women when women don't play these games.>>722707924>but muh changing opinion that Biowere fucked up and wrote themselves into a cornerNo they wrote themselves into a corner by bending to EA execs. Nothing to it.
>>722708002It works in ME2 since it's supposed to be she's become a lot colder since your death/focused on getting back at the Shadow Broker but in ME3 she has literally nothing to do and is written (and voice acted) a lot worse
>>722708024>>Decide to replay series >>Get to ME3I don't even get to ME3. I just finish ME2 and stop. There's nothing for me in ME3.
Anyone who likes Tali or Liara has at least decent taste. Wanting to fuck a hot alien obsessed with your dick is never wrong
>>722707560>what I've seen the fanbase ask for 13 yearsReddit. You've seen reddit and the old BioWare Forums ask for things. You can go to the Mass Effect reddit right now and find people defending and loving Andromeda
>>722708129It's been like a year and a half.
>>722708128The issue I have is, if Bioware can write good companions, and good protagonists, it's been 15 years already since the last time they did it. Why haven't they? And what's changed to make them not just write, but design good companions and protagonists now of all times. Because if you fail 4-5 times, what makes me believe the 6th will be different?
>>722708002>She's a writer's pastwriter's pet* I'm retarded>>722708081You're on an official military mission as an Alliance commander in ME1, it is your duty to not fraternize (read: fuck) your crew>>722708129No it's just as bad in 2. Asari take ages to do stuff because they live millennia. She spend 50 years digging Prothean shit up. But suddenly in less than two years (because she's already starting to become le badass agent in the comics when she's trying to rescue Shepard's corpse) she's gone from a nerd to Ada Wong
>>722708323>Why haven't they?Because it's not them, it's a bunch of trans-Biowere masquerading as them.
>Are you certain this will kill ALL the Batarians? >Do you have a back-up plan for survivors?
>>722708024I'm the exact opposite. I replay 1 the most, 2 the least. Often times I stop after 1, and whenever I do jump to 3 a lot of the times I just import an old 2 savefile I keep around with my preferred choices. I cannot be bothered to care about the Collectors or the Suicide Mission, and beyond that half the game is collecting your Pokemons while the other half is their daddy issues (and also getting Legion one mission away from the endgame, the fuck were they thinking)
>>722702029>EA is in the hole by $20bnhow the fuck evenare they retarded
>>722707503Given the influence that space-race & cold war era scifi had on ME1, I always took the terminus systems as a Soviet-Bloc counter to the Citadel-Space. East vs West has been the thing on earth for thousands of years, kinda expected that in Mass Effect. Instead we got Citadel Space, and then nothing but fringe outcasts
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>>722708216Reddit has 150 active users right now and you'll find in a few days maybe 2k people liking Andromeda, out of a ... what do they call it subscribed users? An overall count of close to half a million. How much of a percent is that? Less than half of a percent. You can find anything in a large enough population. People that literally like to eat shit. Cannibals. But these things aren't mainstream. They aren't the norm. The vast majority of the fanbase doesn't support Andromeda. They don't care for it. And with 2k out of 500k being your target audience, all you're making back is a fast track ticket to the unemployment line.
>>722708549>Geth at their most interesting>racism is comparing other races by your own standards>hinting at how niggers shouldn't be compared by human standards and judged by human standards>removed by me3's tranny timesGrim
>>722707789The LE was made almost 2 decades after the people who made Mass Effect had left.Its irrelevant
>>722695735Fears?Studio surviving one month from now
>>722708704>doesn't actually argue the pointHey man, you want to please reddit by making ME4 be about Shepard coming back for "le ancient evil... AWAKENS" because it'll make people pog in reaction videos, be my guest
>>722708483So you're saying it's going to be the same shit. New, unlikable people getting saddled on me, to be their literal adoptive parent. Like, we joke about the daddy issues in ME2, but literally everyone in Veilguard was a 4 year old mentally.What that means for me, is that, I'm not asking for completely new characters, nor designed, nor written. And if you can bring the ones that I at least like to look at, if not talk to, if Bioware can just write them to be mid, doesn't even have to be great, just do a mid job. I can play the game. I will buy it. Do you see where I am coming from?
>>722708580They took a junk loan to pay for the buyout, some $20bn. The saudi prince didn't foot 100% of the bill, just the $35bn of the deal.
>>722708816That doesn't matter to the IP holder.>>722708956That's not what I am asking, or saying. What issue do you have that I need to clarify?
>>722708216Who else would go there to discuss the game except people who enjoy it? Subreddit's aren't like a board catalog they're extremely isolated and can go completely unnoticed by a wider community.
>>722709286I bet whatever you want you won't be seeing people in the DMC reddit discussing DMC2 any time soon
>>722709286Even then, 2k people liking a dead sequel, isn't encouraging for further installments of that sequel.
>>722708956You'd think people would've learned after pic related
>>722709398It's been 20 years, though. And DMC did get sequels. Will you see people discuss DmC, though?
>>722709484What does Disney Wars and mr. Putz there have to do with anything?
>>722709570Learn to read
>>722709509>It's been 20 yearsWhy should age matter, if anything it'd make the game more nostalgic and people more willing to defend it?>And DMC did get sequelsAlright, so how many people in the Dead Rising reddit do you believe discuss DR4?
>>722709398I just poked around and didn't see any, but Andromeda is a more playable game with a wider appeal.
>>722709484It's wild knowing there's people that dislike current Bioware but would buy the game in an instant if it were to feature Shepard in a trailer. Like they did with Liara. Or like the autists that bought Veilguard because of Varric and Solas
>>722709671I can't tell you about the peculiars of every franchise's subreddit, man. I don't even know what's wrong with it, if at all.But say your point. I mean, the DA subreddit has people talking favourably of Veilguard. Does that mean Veilguard is alive, is viable, or a sequel is warranted?
>>722709809>the DA subreddit has people talking favourably of VeilguardAnd with that, you further prove my point. Thanks
>>722709662I still don't understand what you mean. Explain it to me. Because mr.Putz there, Gary Putz is his name if I recall, saw Rey and was just overjoyed. I don't get teary eyed when I see Ryder, for example.
>>722709216>to the IP holder.Intellectual property isn;t real, and the money bags collecting rent on the Mass Effect name aren't a good source for deciding what is good or important.
>>722700998that's definitely not something shepard would wear, wtf are they on about
>>722709849What is the point? That idiots exist?
>>722709909I don't understand how people still do not get this. Some anons act as if "official" or "canon" matters beyond your personal experiences and enjoyment.
>>722709909OK. You do you.
>>722709948It's just retarded wording because the trenchcoat belongs to the new mystery protagonist but they have to tie the description to the Mass Effect we know so they just imply something Shepard related. I mean hell Harding is meant to write that description which is also a reference because she shares her VA with Liara.
>>722710072It has the issue that it implies that Shepard is the returning protagonist.
>>722710167It doesn't unless your're on the spectrum. It's a crossover item. Dragon Age isn't canon to Mass Effect. It's a Mass Effect armor released on N7 Day. Nobody cares about Andromeda so Shepard is still seen as Mass Effect's protagonist. Thus the description of the N7 armor with N7 colors reminding you of Shepard's N7 armors references Shepard so you can say "hey it's referencing Shepard" and clap. That's really it.
>>722709024> but muh fan serviceeither have a competent studio write new stuff or just go off on an AI wank adventure into the past
>>722710301>>It doesn't unless your're on the spectrumMaybe there's a lot of people in the spectrum, then. I have friends that like Mass Effect and when they read about it online, they instantly thought that it meant Shepard.
>>722710424Your friends do sound like idiots, yes
>>722710334In an ideal world, where Bioware had always been a competent studio, that the ME3 meltdown didn't happen, then we wouldn't need to be having this conversation.Even then, if fanservice is giving me something that I can at least stomach, compared to everything else, isn't it at least preferable to the alternative?
>>722710550>if fanservice is giving me something that I can at least stomach, compared to everything else, isn't it at least preferablet. >>722709484
>>722710513Yes, normies are idiots. And they're the ones that Bioware needs to buy their game. So it appears we're at an impasse.
>>722710072So who is the old friend wearing an N7 trench coat? Genuinely cannot think of any squadmate from any ME game that would wear that.
>>722710608How was Rise of Palpatine fanservice?
>>722709992Particularly for a series that wanted each player to have a completely different sequence of plotlines, squad makeup, custom shepards, ect.I think its a generational thing.
>>722695735I hope the Saudis legit kick all the bioware devs to the curb and shut down the studio.
>>722710662Someone who shepherded it.
>>722710620>Yes, normies are idiotsI wouldn't call you agreeing with me being an impasse, no. If you want more examples of people just being outright retarded, see also >>722710662
>>722710719>get kino "Human only Council" ending>completely ignored in 2t-thanks...
>>722710771How was my post outright retarded? If it's not Shepard then who is it implying that it is?
>>722710662It was me
>>722710848Shut up, Yellow Flash!
>>722710771OK, if normies think that Shepard is back, and they are left to believe that Shepard is back, when it is revealed that Shepard isn't back, what do you think happens? they go to EA's store and put down $70 for the next Mass Effect?
>>722710881yellow flash?
>>722710968They'll get over it because they're literal NPC cattle retards that manage to miss >>722710301 in their effort to clap at the screen, keep up
>>722711063It's a meme from the flash comic book.
>>722711227lmao I remember this shit, I thought you were talking about the right winger YouTuber by the same name.
>>722711178You say that, but they've become incredibly more conscious of what they consume. See the Saints Row reboot, see Concord, see Veilguard, etc. They don't buy everything. Shit flops all the time. It's very common now, and especially common from Bioware. I have to disagree with your statement.
>>722711281I don't know about that. Is this youtuber good, or bad, or ...
>>722695735Is this a code word for celebrating trannies?
What's with the nonstop Mass Effect shilling as of late?
>>722711349>they've become incredibly more conscious of what they consumeIt only took them 15 years>They don't buy everything. Shit flops all the timeThen let's hope either the next ME goes the "just have good fucking writing and that's that" route of >>722704583 (not happening) or Bioware finally closes its doors and ME is allowed to rest without the threat of a new game ever looming over the horizon
>>722710826At least we'll always have ME1. Its self-contained enough to be enjoyed without ever having to care about 2 or 3
>>722711496November's fast approaching plus the EA buyout. And I guess just overall reminiscing and nostalgia over a series that fell under. Plus there's hardly and scifi rpgs with the scope Mass Effect had. Even then what little we got like Starfield were major flops. Yet I am hoping Owlcat, Larian, Archeptype will deliver with their upcoming scifi rpgs. pic unrelated
>>722711496Its an 18 year old franchise with alot to discuss, theres nothing to shill everyone has played it.
>>722711602>getting to harden Kaidan and have him dislike the Council and be almost more pro-human than AshleyKINOINO
>>722711602Yep. I'm playing it right now on Series X no less, just the original game, no LE enshitification, no fanmade modding shit. Just good old ME1 how it always was, and I still feel like I see things every playthrough that makes me go "Huh, I never knew that was in the game." Just the combinations of stuff you can do on Port Hanshan on Noveria and then Peak 15 is great. This time I'm playing a lawful hardass Shepard who abides by the law, and really dislikes AI, so you really get your mileage out of the choices around getting the Garage Pass, because you can rat out the smuggling hanar, or make direct trade with his Krogan recepient, and you can also go ahead before talking to Anoleis to learn a few scoops about Peak 15 before going to him and asking more about it, and the dialogue changes a little if you do that.
>>722711573I don't expect miracles from Bioware, but I think we could have a middle ground. I just want to see willingness from them. Willingness to do something for this fanbase. The next game doesn't have to be everything, but be something. I don't expect it to be TPS Baldur's Gate 3, I don't expect it to be ME2. But be something, other than a waste of everyone's time. There's things they can do that people have asked for 13 years, and will continue to ask for the next 4. There's things that, indirectly, they've told normies to expect. Just do that.
>>722711496EA was bought out a week ago
>>722710550First of all>BiowereSecond of all, it's never too late to hand the IP over to a competent studio. Then again this also requires competent management and the best EA has done was to dictate a straight white male protagonist for the straight white male protagonist IP known as Star Wars. One time they got it right out of a thousand.
>>722711993>>Second of all, it's never too late to hand the IP over to a competent studioThis has been addressed, Insider Gaming reiterated on it recently. Nobody else wants to make Mass Effect. Either Bioware makes it, or Bioware closes down, and the IP goes into EA's vault.
>>722712132No, no. It's going to suffer a fate worse than death.EA will make a mobile game out of it.AND it will bring Shepard and co. back.
>>722712132Ok good. Fuck the trannies who infested Biowere. Fuck the EA execs who didn't let the original team do what they wanted. Fuck that EA exec in particular who cause the lead writer to quit shortly before the ending was finalised and then PUSHING THE FUCKING RELEASE DATE UP. Literal retards in charge of trannies. They should all collectively suck start a shotgun.
>>722711927FemShep has always been underrated. >>722711973There are great mods for OG Mass Effect though. I always play with casual uniforms for the citadel, and removing weapons that characters don't use now.
>>722712304I prefer Turians.
>>722712132Oh no, not Insider Gaming!
>>722712615where is da pusy?
>>722712798It's sheathed.
>>722712615Disgusting>>722712519>5headDisgusting
>>722712953>sheathed pussy
>>722712519>>FemShep has always been underrated.You can't be serious.
>>722712986Keep your blue skinned humanoids.
>>722712304Not canon
>>722713214Whoa... red asari pussy
>>722712747They can't outright lie, anon.They're one tweet away from getting BTFO'd by an actual dev, if they make shit up all the time.Maybe they're not the most reputable, I wouldn't know, but it is unlikely that they just make shit up all the time.
>>722713154#notmyfemshep
>>722713460That's some random OC shit.That's not Shepard.
>>722713460>"we have Kahlee Sanders at home"
>>722695735I haven’t thought about n7 day in like a decade, jeez.
>>722712374I can't say that I am happy with the result, because clearly it upset you, but I am very thankful we had a good conversation, in spite of our different views, anon. It rarely happens on 4chains.
>>722713937I hope you have a good night too. The nightmare will be over soon when Biowere gets put out back.
>>722707037>star wars outlaws>extremely dull ubislop with a cliched, predictable story, boring gameplay and a femc who looks like she injects cooking oil into her faceNo
>>722711457Not that guy but he is a massive faggot.
>>722711496I just finished them for the first time a couple weeks ago so it makes sense that everyone's making threads for me to talk about it with them. Thanks guys.
>>722695735all i want is a 3 game me collection without drmim trying to give ea my money and they dont want itea's drm policy is making pirates out of people
>>722712615Neat, I hadn't realized that Turians are just frail Krogans. I guess it makes sense if Asari and Krogans are Prothean experiments.
>>722711496>What's with the nonstop Mass Effect shilling as of late?Mass Effect/Bioware games in general always get discussed here Zoomie Bioware have been basically a vidya lolcow dev for over a decade at this point so people will shake their head and reminisce about older times whenever news about them or EA drops (the recent Saudi buyout kicked the nest in that regard) The characters are memorable and the "You are the hero/chosen one also here's some hot women to bang" is like crack to gamers young and old so Bioware games often stay with people mentally even as they become boomers.
>>722711602>what has the council ever done for us?>besides stopping the first contact war, granting us an embassy on the citadel, the skyllian verge, making shepard a spectre, the normandy and access to all the space drugs and xeno pussy a god fearing man could possibly want?
>>722714804Now that you mention it, yeah kind of.
>>722700671cope, hiring incompetent retards chasing quotas killed the company
>>722715398Yeah but that line's coming from a Kaidan's that's deep into that Renegade FemShepussy
>>722695735if you still have expectations for bioware and mass effect you are a fool who deserves to be swindled
>>722702702i think they should just redo me3
>>722719492Need to redo ME2 first.
What do we think about Drew Karpyshyn?
>>722721168He wrote 2's Cerberus and the 2011 Revan novel so there was something wrong with him from the get go, and nowadays I consider 1 a lightning in a bottle fluke
>>722721168He knew what he was doing but was very lazy and relied on reusing the same plot over and over again, which is basically the KOTOR plot.
>>722701356>nu-deus lead writer is at bioware coincidence?
>>722721264The Cerberus thing is interesting because it was Mac Walter's brainchild in ME1, but either Drew or Casey gutted 90% of it before shipping the game, which Mac still seems really salty about. Drew has often said in podcasts that they went with Cerberus for ME2 because "fans really reacted to it" and "we didn't realize Cerberus should be a bigger part before making 2"At the same time Mac gets promoted to Co-lead and sends Casey Hudson christmas presents, and they end up writing the ending on 3 together with zero input from anyone else. I'm pretty sure Casey had a fragile ego, and found a companion in Mac who wouldn't challenge him but always suck his cock, and Mac used that to get rid of Drew and make everything about Cerberus. That's why Drew did the gentleman's handshake to write his stuff for 2 which wasn't really a lot, and then leave.About a 3rd of TIM's dialogues in ME2 are written by Drew. The rest are Chris L'Etoile and everything around the Suicide Mission was Mac's own writing.It just seems to me that Mac was the one nudging Cerberus into the central narrative because he was tilted that they wasted all his work on ME1, and it was "his" contribution to the Mass Effect lore, so it was practically all he was ever invested in.It's telling when his 13 issues comic "Foundation" is all about retelling ME1 and ME2 events mentioned by characters in the games, but shoving Cerberus into the backstory.
>>722721427The coincidence is that she worked in Eidos Montreal which is like a street away from BioWare Montreal which became EA Motive, which the ME5 lead Mike Gamble worked with on Andromeda, so he could literally go say hi to Mary any time he had to visit the studio, and that's probably why nepotism got her in, along with the fact that she's an okay writer, so since every other writer has left BioWare at this point she's the best bet.
Replaying me3 for the first time, including all the dlc that I've never done before. Omega dlc is fucking terrible, who fucking thought a dlc of constant combat where you act as the bitch boy to two obnoxious cunts the whole time was a good idea
>>722721628t. least salty Mac Walters fan
>>722721168I heard that he planned something actually interesting about critical mass of the universe (or something similar) and that’s why reapers existed. But after 1 they dropped the idea.
>>722721912It's kino
>>722721989>after 1 they dropped the ideaThey didn't even have the idea for 1, only for like one sidequest of 2
>>722721912The writers in 2 and 3 were way too into their OCs and the story really suffers for it. Aria and TIM most obviously.
>>722722040I've been thinking about modding this part so Male Shepard mogs femshep.What should happen? I'm thinking maybe couch sex.
>>722722456Lovey dovey kissing and cuddling
>>722721912It's just repurposed cut content from the main game because 3 was a rushed piece of shit
>>722722265It's not just that, it's also all about a gang turf war that for some reason you give a shit about. Yea, you are trying to get support or whatever to fight the reapers, but it's just not in line with the types of missions Shepard does
>>722725517>it's just not in line with the types of missions Shepard doesWhat type of missions does "Shepard do"? Because in 2 you do completely fucking random things like N7: Mining the Canyon. Comparatively, Omega is the single biggest eezo mining facility in the galaxy and it's currently under the control of Cerberus. I'd say getting the eezo back and pushing the Reaper allied terrorists away from the Terminus seat of power matters a tiny bit to the war effort.
>>722708206>TaliHer only sin is that she isn't romanceable in 1 and her face should have been more alien instead of Humans 2.
>>722726323>>722708206>>722699432If we get a new game that doesn't follow shepard, the romanceable Quarian is going to be male. That's just obvious. There's no way Bioware is smart enough to see Tali's popularity and go "yeah we should try another female quarian."At least we might get a female turian romance
>>722704705The Illusive Man won't return, but I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus came back, or were at least hinted at.
>>722703953>>722697003>>722700657>>722701356>That undersuit looks kinda like a suit and tie>Generally looks like something a black-ops "make you disappear" glowie would wear.Fuck... that actually looks cool.
>>722695735They are going to show a trailer for some gay Netflix/Amazon shit and that's it, screencap this
>>722721912>ME1 you kill crime lords, punch reporters, can overturn entire operations across every zone from the Citadel to Noveria and sacrifice innocent people for a goal>in ME2 and 3 you have to work for terrorists and help crime lords and terrorists who disrespect or threaten you
Why did 3 feels so rushed in the first place?
>>722730371Because it was.
>>722730945But why did they rush it? Didn't they want to give a decent final to the iconic game?
>>722731184I think a good amount of devs on the team did. Yet for whatever reason EA wanted it out soon after ME2. Which led to major crunch and then an eventual delay from late Fall 2011 to March 6th, 2012.
>>722695735What is /v's consensus on what should a new, good ME game have/look like/play like?
>>722695735>Fears?ME4 isn't cancelled.
>>722695735hopefully none. I can't imagine will continue won't be ass like MEA
>>722695735Who gives a fuck? If you still give a single fuck about modern Bioware you deserve an extremely late term abortion.
>>722731184Because EA
>>722697003>nobody has put any work in this game in 2 years.>The 2019 teaser was...anon, 2019 was six almst seven years ago
>>722731919Starfield, but just Mass Effect. That's it, just let me explore and do shit with a band of bros and not have to worry about Reapers and shit,
>>722695735I.. I do not remember when Bioware was good. I have tried to. I have tried to recreate it, to spark it anew in my memory. But it is gone.. a hollow, dead thing. For years, I clung to the memory of it. Then the memory of the memory. And then nothing. EA took that from me, too. I look upon Bioware and I feel nothing. I remember nothing but them turning to shit on me, along with all the others.
>>722706248>gameplay sucksThis is why ME1 autists cant be taken seriously. Like troons, they deny reality.
>>722733905i actually liked a lot about starfield mechanically, it was the dogshit writing that ruined the game
>>722721628Cerberus was great in 2 and then 3 came along and turned them into cartoon villains spawning armies and fleets out their ass and having the Illusive Man be indoctrinated Saren w.0
>>722713460>white Britney Venti>the hammerhead of the stars>>722707037>everyone who wants thing should look at the worst implementation of thing for 2 decades>then stop wanting thingRetard.
>>722695735thats not actually a thing. there is no n7 day.
>>722696740kek
>>722736215Yes, there is. November 7th. Every year. It started as a community thing, but now, since it is free PR and marketing, Bioware pitches in.
>>722729610>TIM killed your entire unit in Akuze >you're not allowed to bring it up once in the entire game and are forced to do his bidding instead of going back to Anderson Mass Effect 2 was a mistake
>>722731919Just make ME1 again, it shouldn't be rocket science
>>722733123>>722704000
>>722734378>first thing that comes to mind are trannies >for the one game in the franchise that's the least focused on romanceAmericans were a mistake
>>722734867>"Cerberus was great in 2 and then 3 came along and turned them into cartoon villains"You cannot be fucking serious>why yes, treating children like slaves and pumping them full of drugs to fight each other to see who's the better biotic is really about human greatness>why yes, sticking my autistic brother into a machine that makes him mad and gets all the personnel killed is for human greatness>Why yes, another autistic human, biotic this time escaped from an Alliance biotic training program, because we've infiltrated it so we'll blow up a quarian ship trying to get her back so we can torture her is for human greatness>why yes, injecting Thresher Maw acid into HUMAN soldiers is for human greatness>why yes, getting Alliance soldiers killed so we can see thresher maws in action is for human greatnessNone of these are from ME3. Seriously just pay attention when you supposedly play these games you care about it's not that fucking hard
>>722695735>May the 4th>November 7thThing is, Mass Effect aint got shit on Star Wars.The only good game was Mass Effect 1. The franchise is in the state where the only game that is Mass Effect is just the first game. It is as if Star Wars went from original trilogy staight into whatever that Disney slop created and none of the episodes 1, 2, 3 and Extended Universe, novels, etc were not created/released.
>>722734867Cerberus was retarded in ME2 and made no sense for the setting, not to mention that fucking everyone knows who they are and they all have nice big cerberus logos on them. Setting that aside though, everything they do boils down to>look, we're doing something heinous!>oh no the experiment is killing us!We should have had more options for Cerberus terror attacks on other species or sabotage at the very least. Hackett in the asteroid DLC feels more Cerberus than Cerberus. It's fucking insane.
>>722742687Star Wars hasn't been good since Empire Strikes Back.
>>722731919
>>722745183>5+ different voice actors, 1-2 per race as there's multiple gendersNever gonna happen>male quarianGay.>No female Turian squadmateMEGA GAY
>>722745364>5+ different voice actors, 1-2 per raceLiterally just keep the same two VAs, male and female, then just add different voice filters depending on the race
I don't like my birthday being associated with a 4 game series that has 3 shitty games
>>722697457>everything i dont like isnt canon/doesnt existautism is a hell of a thing
>>722745364The Inquisitor had two male and two female VAs voicing every single line of dialogue in the entire game
>>722746047You can focus on the shitty spin off comics that try to tie ME2's godawful TIM OC-Donutsteel to Saren Arterius with all the tact of an actual fanfic writer shilling his self-insert.
>>722745882That's not how Bioware works, though. Even in Inquisition and Veilguard, they had distinct VAs for the other races.
>>722747185Let's try not to insert the related media that nobody read into the actual games, in anything other than a superficial way. TIM is the guy you meet in ME2, Kai Leng is a retard that shows up in ME3, that's it.
>>722746656>everything i dont like isnt canonThis but unironically >nooooooooo but the EA suit said you should care because it's canon!Not my problem
>>722747376This could have worked so much better, if not for various other deals regarding IP, licensing, and merchandising rights.
>>722747242>That's not how Bioware worksAnd it's worked so well for them over the last decade >Even in Inquisition and Veilguard, they had distinct VAs for the other racesBoth the Inquisitor and Rook have an American male/female voice and a British male/female voice, none of which are tied to what race you choose
>>722747539>>And it's worked so well for them over the last decadeNot my problem.>>Both the Inquisitor and Rook have an American male/female voice and a British male/female voice, none of which are tied to what race you chooseStill not my problem.
>>722747592You sure made it sound like it was your problem. Also, why imitate me (>>722747376)? I mean I know I'm striking, but still
Is that tv show thing still happening? I'm pretty hyped for the smoking remains of this franchise to be desecrated after seeing what happened to Halo
>>722747689>>You sure made it sound like it was your problem.How Bioware handles things, what they do, or don't do, is not my problem. You may have a problem, by expecting them to operate in a way they don't. I'm just pointing out, you may have a problem, but I don't.
>>722747842>You may have a problem, by expecting them toI expect and hope for nothing but BioWare crashing and burning while I laugh and piss on their remains; something that should've happened in 2019 at the absolute latest with the release of the masterpiece known as Anthem
>>722747928Alright.
