Name one wrong thing she did.
>>722696065>two armsdidn't play the game award
>>722696326she starts off with two
I can't find this guy. Apparently he's hidden somewhere in Karak but I feel like I combed through the area.
>>722697767superjump spot in the first platforming room
So what are the mottled ants?
>>722697767>>722697830specifically in the upper corner with the memory locket and big drill bug.>>722697960rebels/defectors it seems like.
>>722697830>>722698062I still can't find it.
>>722698315found it
Who needs skill when you have retard strength
Well, that was more of a miniboss.
>is from a distant village>but his village succumbed to the haunting>but the haunting is from the citadel injecting silk into its subjects>"maybe his village was made from the descendants of the Citadel, who have silk passed down genetically">but Garmond isn't haunted>"maybe his village 'falling to the haunting' was just them being killed by haunted bugs">but haunted bugs don't start raising until Hornet shows up
Why didn't the white lady just do this to the radiance? It would've been hot
>>722698937The Choir sends out bugs to look for Weavers, could do it for other reasons too or he just happens to have ancestors who weren't Silk infused or maybe some people are just more naturally immune to it taking over
>>722698937>but the haunting is from the citadel injecting silk into its subjectsNo, it's not. When GMS arrived, she spread her silk across most of the kingdom and put a little bit of her silk into most bugs, connecting them to her and the bugs also passed it down so it kinda became a part of them. This connection to GMS is what caused the haunting.>but haunted bugs don't start raising until Hornet shows upThis is complete nonsense. The haunting began waaaaaaaay back. It's why the Weavers fucked off.
>>722698542What a macho way of playing
>>722699220>No, it's not.Yes, it is.
>>722696326>didn't play the game awardYeah the AI that made the image probably has never played any game
>>722696065I happened across Garlond in the Choral Chambers but I died to the trash in the room. I didn't get to talk to him and he wasn't there anymore after I ran back. Did I just fuck up his quest?
>>722699363Because those bugs should have died, not because they caused the haunting itself. Pharloom is filled with haunted bugs outside of the Citadel, and again, the haunting is the whole reason the Weavers fucked off.
>>722699469No he shows up randomly all over the place, he pretty much repeats the same thing in most locations from what I remember
>>722696065So GMS is just bug Marika?
Did they really need to make these niggers harder than 90% of the bosses? The cogwork dancers are easier to kill than their guards lmao. Please tell me there isn't a brutal gauntlet with a bajillion fliers and 2 or 3 of these niggas at the same time later in the game.
>>722699539Silk probably has a stronger connection to the Weavers because she personally uplifted them so maybe it was easier for to exert pressure on to them than it was for the other bugs until they started injecting more silk into themselves, I get the feeling the Citadel has been running as we see it for a reasonably long time that she can't have been mindcontrolling them the whole time
I'm at 99% and fought all the bosses outside of the abyss.Do the mementos, relics and materium count towards completion? I'm missing 1 relic, 4 materiums and these mementos.
>>722699995No, anon, you're misunderstanding the whole situation. The haunting isn't a deliberate mindcontrol on GMS's part. She wasn't mindcontrolling the bugs when she infused the bugs across the kingdom with her silk, she just connected them to her and maybe instilled a desire to worship in them. The haunting began after the Weavers sealed her.
>>722699381https://x.com/i/status/1972722269198631387
>>722700429>It's not an AI it's a womanEven worse
>>722700312But the Vaultkeepers, Conductors and Architects were running the Citadel for some time after the Weavers left and I don't get the feeling they're acting on her behalf. However the Conductor guy is obviously infused with silk yet doesn't seem controlled or hostile to you so I don't know
>>722700161They don't
>just beat the lava beastfly bountySo that's it right? Worst boss right? From now on any other boss will feel like babby mode right?
>>722701175Second Beastfly is easy babby mode boss tho
>>722698542I used the Reaper crest for quite literally the entire game once I got it. Is that skillful or nooby?
>>722701027Yes because once the haunting started to kick in, the Weavers dipped and the Conductors took over but it still took some time for the haunting to destroy the kingdom. Jesus bro, this isn't that complicated.>GMS arrives>she spreads her silk and infuses most bugs with it>she ascends the Pharlids, turning them into Weavers>First Sinner gets angry that she isn't actually GMS's daughter so she turns on her and GMS seals her for it>Weavers later on manage to seal GMS and they rule Pharloom>some amount of time later the haunting begins>Weavers fuck off, some go into hiding and some leave like Herra>Conductors take over alongside the Vaultkeepers and the Architects>the haunting slowly erodes Pharloom
>>722698660He was really easy. I just pogo'd him to death.
>>722698953>tentacles that come out of Hornet's ass connect to Silkmom's holes
>>722699846They're easy enough for me
>>722701175Beastfly 2.0 is a tough fight considering the limitations of your tools and moveset if you fight it as soon as you get the quest.Future bosses are much harder but you will have more moves, skills and tools.
>>722700161Upload your save and find out what you're missing. Trust me, this is a needle in a haystack kind of problem.https://silksong-completion.info
>>722696326>nooooo it's OFF MODEL, save me reddit!!!
>>722699846A dash upper-cut into a Thread Storm with Volt Filament and they only took like 1-2 more hits after that. Though, I also upgraded the nail whenever I had the chance.
>>722701429it's
>>722698542nigga out here playing bugborne
What's the verdict on the Pale King?
>>722699794BIND THE GRAND MOTHERBECOME THE SILK LORD
>>722698937I assumed his village was nearby in the Greater Pharloom Metropolitan District, like Verdania was. Just not shown on the map.His willfulness initially prevents the haunting, but he does eventually succumb at the end to the void haunting.
Man I'm so mad. I got so close to 100% in under 30hrs on my second playthrough. Although I wasn't really trying for it. Off by a couple of hours. Didn't think I would get that close with all the fucking around.
>>722700161The Hunter's Momento achievement is rarer than the 100% achievement. On Steam, Hunter Momento is 5% versus 100% at 10%.
>>722699846Don't worry, there's an arena later with 2 even worse niggers. Grand Reeds seem intimidating at first but later you'll be genociding them for anal beads.
>>722699381lol retard
>>722698953Her son did.
>>722699846They are incredibly easy to avoid, they have just 3 attacks and you have a whole corridor to adjust your distance>charged slashSuper telegraphed, stay away and then dash and punish after the second slash>flying charge just stay away as soon as they take flight and punish as soon as they land. Their attack distance is always the same, they are not like jumping enemies who can rubber band to you from across the hall>thread stormAlso very telegraphed, stay away and then dash+punish at the end
>>722700161Relics, mementos and materium, no.100% is solely about your upgrades. Tools, masks, crests, silk skills, silk spools, etc. Did you do the Red Memory main quest? There is an item you get from that which counts to completion%.
>>722701496Gms didn't infuse other bugs with silk until well after Pharloom was established, that was the purpose of the Whiteward.The silk was to be used to artificially extend bugs lifespan so they could work as slaves for longer.
>>722702282I'm mad that I didn't learn of the completely obscure optional ending until after I was in Act 3.
Oh, they sacrificed themselves? I guess they aren't the irresponsible niggers I thought they were. Also, the red memory was really cool.
>>722702571>Did you do the Red Memory main quest? There is an item you get from that which counts to completion%.I just did it and yeah I'm 100% now.
>>722702586Whiteward soundtrack had no business being that creepy. Seriously the spookiest area in the game and it's like one of the smallest areas. The only area smaller is maybe the Wisp Thicket.
>>722702252Based, he had no actual fault of his own. It's not like he forced moths to worship him.And unlike others, like Soul guys, he sacrificed his own children for the sake of the kingdom. His only problem was that he was such a good parent to Hollow Knight.Ironically, with Silksong, we even have a ironic counter to Pale King.Pale King: Creates his children as a tool for a single purpose, accidentally becomes a good parentGrand Mother Silk: Wants a child to love, but they leave, get imprisoned permanently, left to rot away and the current one, Lace, thinks she is just a tool and will be replaced by Hornet.Silk is a girlfailure all the way.
If I go to the abyss now can I continue collected the rest of the mementos after I get the ending?
>>722703043Both games just bring you back to the save before beating the game if you reload them. So beat the game if you want and do the rest after.
>>722703043Yes. It respawns you at the last bench. Though if you want the achievement you need to beat the final boss at 100%; getting 100% after beating the boss doesn't grant it.
>>722702586No, you're just outright wrong but I've already explained you the plot so if you choose to stick to your headcanon then fine by me.
>>722698953Void gets a turn too
I think the Pale King should have fucked Grand Mother Silk and given her a baby since GMS wanted one so much.
>>722703559GMS is such a bad parent, she somehow managed to alienate all the children she created with the explicit purpose of having a child to love and care....while managing to ruin her own kingdom.But she is hot...
>>722696065Shitty parent aside , almost nothing? The absolute horrendous caste system of the citadel isn't her fault, nor is it's construction. In fact the conductors/weavers used her sleeping form as a way to harvest silk. And injected it into everyone giving her a backdoor to cause the haunting. Weavers did waaaay worse than her
>>722703018>Silk is a girlfailure all the way.Actual femcel villain too.
>>722703713Nah, Weaver obeyed Silk until they rebelled and ran away. Then the trio of Architects, Conductors and ...whatever assumed the mantle of rules but as the Last Conductor points out, even when they tried to resist GMS, she was in control.
>>722701175Lol, lmaoEnjoy high halls arena
>>722696065>name one wrong thing she didUplifting one of the shittier enemies in the game just for them to go on a tard rampage because they were 'artificially' made into demigods ruling over a kingdom.
>>722703713>select females of a species to turn into demigods>treat them like your daughters>this makes you a shitty parentAre you dumb? The Weavers are 100% at fault for being ungrateful, vile pieces of garbage and every character who's old enough to have been acquainted with them tells you how garbage they were.
>>722696065Am I the only one dissapointed she had zero dialogue or characterization whasoever? even the Radiance had more and she was a force of Nature villain. Silk is supposed to be complex yet it doesn't really come across like that. She has so much build-up and no delivery.>>722704427I meant Lace and Phantom
>>722704427>adopt kid>tell them you are their biological parent>kid finds out and feels lied to, questions your intent and love>this makes the kid 100% at fault
>>722702646I think the everbloom just outright killed them
>>722704676Silk felt plenty characterized in the little we saw of her. Lace on the other hand...
>>722703346>you're just outright wrong [about the intentionally vague information]
>>722704676>I meant Lace and PhantomWe don't know much about Phantom but Lace is pretty much the same deal as the Weavers. She was given life as a demigod and she's just mad that she's born out of magic.
>>722704678>kid roofies you and lays you to perma sleep>steals your life on top too
>>722704718? what much do we see besides "she loves Lace"? I think they're going for the overbearing mother with her , going by the silk hearts... but why kill hornet?
>>722704838>the "you" in this scenario is a power-hungry god obsessed with control and domination
>>722704676I think her desperately holding on against the Void to protect her daughter that hates her, and then allowing Hornet to bind her so they can escape says enough about her. A lot of the timeline is unclear but she's not meant to be evil
>>722704767Lace was justified
>>722704935Maybe her ultimate goal was to force Hornet to be Lace's servant/silk backpack so she'd be able to leave Pharloom
If GMS's silk has mind control properties, how were the weavers able to rebel against her and imprison her?
Seth's not appearing anywhere after I killed Nyleth. Did I fuck up by accidentally leaving her for dead last? Her icon even disappeared from the map because I had 3 hearts already.
Pharloom? Shouldn't it be NEARloom?
>>722704935I admittedly have different standards for Silk as a character, because she's clearly meant to be a Radiance stand-in for the story, so by contrast her character has a lot more to read into than Radiance. While Radiance just has her hatred shown through the infection, Silk has that similar rage contrasted more with her motivation to keep lace safe, her control over bugs is shown to go beyond just mindlessly attacking others, and the contrast between how much she wanted to bring Hornet down with her to lending her power to Hornet at her lowest point. I deride Lace because she's competing with Hornet's character arc in Hollow Knight, which was simple but was tangible. Lace has no real character arc that's easily read, which only makes Silk's own character arc more poignant despite it being so simple.
>>722705329I think you have to find him in a specific order after you beat him, first in Greymoor. Though, for some reason he didn't show up at the Grand Gate for me but he was at the flea place.
Act 3 so far just feels the same as the first two acts but what if all the bosses and mobs input read everything you do and teleport then shoot projectilesSo far I’ve done coral tower and pinstress and I’m on lost verdania now. Kind of lame but I’m trudging through
>>722705471He was not at Greymoor. I checked every spot he appears in, including Fleatopia.
>>722705525Well I did the Seth locate thing after I got the 4 hearts, so I dunno what to tell you if you checked Craw Lake in Greymoor.
>>722705328Same way hornet's silk was safe too I suppose they can make their own silk
>story is just dark souls 1 but le capitalism and religion bad
>>722702586Whiteward was created so they wouldn't run out of bugs to keep singing the song. The sign where you get the surgeon's key explains that.The weaver sign at the shrine in mosshome that's hidden behind a newer sign confirms the weavers were still around when the descendants of the whiteward bugs, "born in the web" were making the pilgrimage.
>>722705329you have to get the flower, then he shows up in places
>>722705441fair point , I'd have at least expected Lace to have dialogue after Phantom desu, as for Silk I don't think Silk hates anyone,which is surprising, They forget your heart, bound in slumber and servitude,When you wake they shall see your truth,A beast's nature bare to all.reads as her being mad about being forced in servitude, but then you get the silkheart about the haunting and: ...Their voices... Their song... ...Their memory... ...Bind their shells... ...Bind their souls... ...Bind them all... ...Raise them... Up... ...To devote... Eternal... ...One mind... One union... …They are ours… Bound forever…reads as an overbearing parent?
>>722705913A religion under a god who doesn't give a shit about you is pretty bad yeah
>>722696065ok can someone clear it up for me why she causes the haunting, only make the bugs keep doing their jobs ... of keeping her sealed? shouldn't she stop them ?
>>722705145
>>722705913Where the fuck did you get those two things from?
What are some other scenarios/locations where Hornet plays a different melody on the Sneedolin from the default one?
>>722706240>lifts weavers into godhood>they build pharloom together>the Weavers betray her >seal her in a big fuck off coccoon>Haunting occurs as GMS controls individual bugs to try and free herself>constantly sending people out to capture Weavers and their Children>game starts
>>722706240She's not completely sealed, the Weavers had to make her fall into a deep sleep, THAT'S what was "sealing" her, and also by being in the higher place in Pharloom she can control everyone so it's actually a pretty good house for her
Spider fur is more like spikes
>>722706360
>>722706360If you have the 3 different sneedolins skills you can make your own retarded mix
>>722706372yes but like, the workers and the choir members. the citadel was built to contain her, why use your control over the bugs to continue the citadel instead of destroying it?
>>722706470Does anyone have the webm of this? This scene was absolute kino.
>>722705525He should be either in Shakra's former Greymoor spot or in Shellwood in the room where you have to bounce of the flowers to get one of those purple cores.
>>722699794Pretty much. Only difference is she's never had an inch of dick piped into her, unlike Queen Marika who could build a road from Stormveil to Leyndell out of all the inches/feet of dick she's taken over the years.
>>722706630Yes but I can't be bothered to set it up with the sound thing which is unfortunate because that's the whole point
>>722706464No wonder why Lace is such a hedgehod's dilemma cunt.
Name a better fight.
Basically lacenet
>>722706875Widow
>>722706663GMS is taking countless kilometres of void tentacles for the rest of her existence so that balances out
>>722705913>capitalism and religion badCorrect.
>>722706875
>>722706875The visual aspects and choreography are nice and all, but the sound effects and song is what makes it for me.
Ok if the Needolin reacts to silk in the body why does the Steel bitch have text and why does it have its own background, actually is the text just been them speaking the whole time and not some mind-reading thing
>>722706875Second sentinel
>>722706875Lost Lace without using red tools.>>722706926I'd argue that's roughly on par with getting TRAPPED and BETRAYED by her other half for 1000 years in the Hyperbolic Erdtree Chamber.
>>722707075>Needolin reacts to silk in the bodyhornet plays the sneedolin to touch someones soul, much like GSM does with her rape tentacles. Silk is soul given form inside their shells
>>722707075The Needolin compels creatures/people in Pharloom to sing their innermost thoughts, I think.
Why didn't Widow flee Pharloom like the rest of the Weavers?
>>722706992Funniest boss idea ever
>>722704427>HUR DUR WE'RE FREE
>>722706902its literally the same fight. Widow and Sinner have exactly same moves except widow uses bells while sinner uses nails. Even the battle music is the same. So if you say you like widow more then sinner, means you like the same fight but easyer.
>>722707274She's a true believer, though probably not by choice
>>722707274i don't think she has that opportunity
>>722706875>when you know the First Sinner was originally meant to be the true final boss, but you just can't prove it
the needolin sucksthere i said it
>>722699846i farm those for rosaries. i just dash in for two hits then back out.
>>722707394I'm a lorelet. Who rendered her useless and why? Also why is she the only live Weaver we meet in Pharloom? I know that some of them stayed in Pharloom and went into hiding (I'm assuming those are the ones who Hornet gets the Silk skills from). Is there something special about Widow inherently?
>>722707364Why didn't she wake up silk if she was so loyal?
>>722704678>tell them you are their biological parentEven that's an assumption. She called them her daughters but I do not recall it stating anywhere that Silk themselves claimed the weavers were her biological daughters.It comes off more that the weavers assumed it themselves and then chimped out when their assumption turned out wrong.Also leaving out that she made these spiders the ruling caste and, to our knowledge, did nothing bad to them until they turned on her.
>>722707515>Penitent, Twelfth of the First.>Guilty of an unnamed sin.>Penance by casting.>Absolution not granted.
Was it kino?
>>722707707
>>722707446And yet I'm always walking around with the Needolin Upgrade Tool just because it's very aesthetically pleasing along with the rest of my Weaver themed toolsetI'm kinda pissed we don't get the Snare Setter Back. Also that we can't transform the Silk Shot like we can the Volt Vessels.
>>722706630I should have, but I did this instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIjp1pZGQBw
>>722707707>>722707771The fuck is this Dialogue?
>>722707707>>722707771>tumblrmutts felt the need to make the sticc spider woman hairy
>>722707662I don't know what this means or the implications of it.
>>722707861No head
>>722707806Henshi!
>>722707515She was presumably one of the Weavers captured as the Cradle is where all the cages end up and that's where >>722707364 happens, maybe her mask was removed because that's what gave the Weavers enough will to resist Silk? Just guessing at this point
>When you realize that the vocals for Karmelita's boss theme are her singingK I N O
>>722707707>>722707771>fur
>>722706630>>>/wsg/5991538
>>722707931She was cast out of the Citadel and was branded a heretic by the removal of her mask and having giant needles shoved into her body. She eventually went insane and raped Bellhart a new asshole.
I don't know when people started drawing hornet with fur and lace with long hair
>>722708123I mean, yeah it is, but was that not instantly obvious?
>>722707662I assumed>Weaver, in quarter part, last of their line, staked to service.>Tracked and taken beneath the City of Steel.>Eight Choristors, twelve Envoys lost to task.was referring to Widow since she was made to serve Silk and "staked" seems like a pretty accurate description of pins being stuck in her spine to halt her silk production.
>first try>taking screenshots>SUDDENLY SURPRISE ATTACKWell played, TC.
>>722708191There is no way they'd let anyone who sinned just walk out, I don't know what casting means but I thought it was like stoning
>>722708123>when you stun her the vocals get replaced with an instrument for the durationpity it doesn't truly feel like she's singing because she still makes combat grunts over the vocals
>>722706875Karmelita
>>722702252Can he really be called a colonizer if its in his kind's nature to do so? It's like calling a wolf evil for eating meat
>>722707687I'm still mourning. The fact most of the NPCs survive ironically make the losses hit harder.
>>722706992I did love these goobers
>>722707687Found Garmond will be even more Kino in the DLC
is it GMS seeking weavers, the conductors, or both?
This was one of the best moments in the game and I am tired of pretending otherwise.
>>722706875I was grinning like an idiot for each of my death by the First Sinner. Obviously this one.
Why is the Beast Crest so heavily gimped? At least the Shaman Crest lets you stack Silk Skills (Kinda redundant but cool) but what exactly about the Beast Crest justifies only 4 slots and no blues? Yellow Tools suck.
>>722696065i still have no idea whats going on lore-wise beyond the citadel bad for polluting and controlling everything and hornet is trying to find out why she was kidnapped, then tries to fix things when she springs the god trap for the snail jews.
>>722708516He told me his name but then apparently he dies and there was a Funeral? No idea what the fuck that was all about. I missed the entire thing.
>>722696065what did TC mean by making Grandma hot?
>>722708575>Why is the Beast Crest so heavily gimped?It's not.
>>722708505GMS mainly. I don't recall the ruling caste caring much for the Weavers, but assuming they're the ones leaving messages in the Cradle, it was BECAUSE Silk was obsessed with them already.
>>722708491Honestly, I don't want a super Garmond fight. I like the idea that he's simply not that good of a fighter, but helps out anyways because that's what a hero does. I just want closure for Zaza.
>>722708658
>>722708675>Karmelita's move shred the bossAs expected from Ant Queen.
>>722708179Reminded me of wind waker, but more grander https://youtu.be/1NyzuQAOrS4?t=23
>>722708658It depends on certain things you doYou learn his name if you have enough conversations with him after various progress checkpoints within the gameIf you do the Skull Tyrant wish in act 1, speak to him, and then sit at the bench a second tyrant will usually attack the village and kill him. There will be a funeral afterwards.If you save the Skull Tyrant wish for act 2, OR simply avoid sitting at the bone bottom bench after completing it until act 2,Pilby will have begun his pilgrimage so he won't be there to die to the attack, so no funeral.
>>722708505I'm more inclinded to believe it's the Conductors trying to keep their rule going for as long as possible but I dunno, the Citadel looks dead until GMS awakens everyone with her silk so how would they be controlling anyone to send people out, also the Conductor is guarded by the gauntlet of silk-infused enemies so how does that work
>>722708675This is good gameplay in spite of using Beast Crest, not really because of it. I do like it's Down attack in combat, though I found it weirdly annoying when platforming, I just think no Blue tools is a really harsh drawback, especially when that Tool group has a lot more entries that feel distinctly beastly, like the Longclaw.
hey neighbor
>>722708946>not really because of it.
>Goal attempt #374>green flyer gets stuck on the ceiling>can't damage it with the nail or tools, they just bounce off the wall>gauntlet isn't technically over so boss cant spawn>can't leave the room without wasting the attempt>OUT FUCKING SKILLED.webm
>>722708874Man, we had the funeral and no one knew his name :(This shit shocked me. I had already read it on here, but I didn't realize that it would actively happen while I was there. I thought I would come back to find shit fucked up, it got me good
>>722709087Again this is mostly just capitalizing on extremely good knowledge of the enemies behavior, which is a strong point of the Beastclaw but something only situationally useful if you're going through the game more organically and playing less aggressively. The guy in this webm is probably able to destroy any boss fairly easily with any Crest, the Beast Crest just facilitates particularly fast bursts of damage.
>>722707318No I like the fight for the telegraphed projectiles that bounce around instead of disappearing after going on a straight path. It's more fun.
>>722707860Did someone shoot Hornet in the head
>have an issue with the game>result for the fix is on reddit>decide to check what they're talking about>there's a thread talking about misgendering the knight because "they are genderless so they are non-binary and calling them "he" is misgendering and being transphobic towards non-binary people who are already underrepresented so need to stop calling the knight a "he"" all unironicallykek i think this is the only sane place on the internet
>>722709193
Palechad vs girlfailure
>>722709507Me on the left.
>>722709507How did they breed?
>>722709594Well he's wearing robes and she didn't
>>722709465That's cool but I'm not switching from reaper
>>722709507The Pale King had one (1) plan to fix his problems and when it failed he killed himself
>>722709507Pharloom is objectively the better kingdom to live in if you're not a poor bug. She mogs the Pale Manlet just with her metalwork industry
>>722709660Reaper is the worst crest for bosses.
>>722709718*for everything
I FUCKING HATE THESE FAGGOTS
>>722709785It's good for exploring because of the down slash and giving you Silk for attacking enemies, but even then I prefer Wanderer.
>>722709701>throw a billion children into the void>it doesn't work>sudokuits pretty funny when you put it like that
does the game imply Silk invaded Verdania or is Hornet an unreliable narrator? timelines don't really make sense
>>722709865I never used it beyond getting it on my first playthrough but I saw people saying the downslash was good then I got it again on my second one and it has like a half-second delay? How is that good
>>722708384OMG, she's SO attractive...
>>722710024I can’t wait for antGODS to inherit the earth once FAGmanity goes extinct due to our collective retardation
>>722702252A HEROEND OF STORY
>>722707860skamaadobo
Where do we go from here?
>>722709507I know they put an emphasis on ruling and dominance when it comes to higher beings, but half of them don't seem to even care about being the top dog, at least in the end. I know GMS got rid of some rulers apparently but clearly she doesn't give a shit about that, only daughters.
The madlad actually did it. Mount Fay without Clawline is posible.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC9LS9KuCJo
>>722710224Two games is enough from this universe I think. I'd like to see them do something new entirely next.
>>722710224Hopefully to a completely different setting and games. I predict if game #3 ever comes out it'll be the one in which people say Team Cherry lost touch.
>>722709825Any anons have a tip of how to beat that room with these faggots? I wish I had descending dark, or howling wraiths, or shade cloak :(
>>722702252What the fuck am I reading
>>722710224>So focused on Silksong I forgot to buy my next game during the Steam Sale
>>722707515Widow's story likely goes something like this:>Child of a Weaver who left the Citadel, probably doesn't know anything about Silk or the Weaver's history>Get's captured by Chorus members, is bound, crippled, and enslaved by the conductors and forced to produce silk for an unknown amount of time>Probably learns about Silk and the Weaver's during this time and builds up additional resentment since she's the descendant of god being forced to serve the mortals>Silk starts the Haunting which allows Widow to escape, and given what's happened to her and what she's learned becomes a full-on Silk devotee, partially for revenge and possibly in order to get some form of validation from her.
>>722710224____STEEL____
How far they've come...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS-v4NMQkBg
>>722709935Nothing of what hornet says made sense in that part. "my kind only allows two paths, devotion or destruction" even though the mantis, the hive, greenpath, deepnest and the Colosseum were ... left alone by her dad. And her step mom just cares about breeding.
>>722710405This makes sense, I like this.
>>722710518>devotion or destructionAnon that's not because she's a higher being or a weaver, that's because she's a woman
>>722706926build to bear Ghost's children
>>722710447>masters can "compress" higher beingsHow do they do it?
gynocentric game
>>722710224DLC, and hopefully lots of it.
>>722700550Women drawing porn makes it hotter desu
I need DLC because the only stuff I have left is speedrun and steel soul autism
>>722710695Lots of insects are Gynocentric with larger, longer living females and small short lived males.
Best track in the game and it's not even close.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq8wGcWeXwg
>>722710949Choral Chambers>>>
https://youtu.be/fZiVwCTu_8gIt's up
>>722710224Steel and electricity. Player character would be tricky though
>>722710224DLC of course but I'd like a game where you play as a young Grimm at the beginning of his rebirth cycle.
Fearless Fox when
>>722698660He took me more tries than every dream boss except for Karmelita combined. I died once to Clover Dancers (went in damaged from Pale Stag fight) and Crust King Khann and died thrice to Nyleth. I died 10 times to Watcher. The only bosses who killed me more were Karmelita (39 times) and Lost Lace (11 times). Even Savage Beastfly 2 took me less time.
Something tells me Beast crest isn't going to go far with Radiant bosses
>>722711156>Karmelita (39 times) and Lost Lace (11 times)This makes no fucking sense to me. I beat Karmelita in less than 10 tries, but Lost Lace probably took me 40.
>>722710224>Where do we go from here?Third and final Hollow Knight game featuring the titular character's adventure in the gigantic City of Steel.
>>722711275What is the lore behind the Skarr?
>>722708786>>722708874i honestly would have never gotten this dialog>>722708874 impressive little detail
>>722711362Skarr is just the name for the ants I think as Karmelita is the Skarrsinger and she doesn't look mottled
>>722711362>I don't want to fight in brutal hand to hand combat in kick ass tourneys, mom>I want to dig in the ground and throw around traps like my friends.
>>722702586slaves for what?>>722701496what is the "haunting" actually?
>>722696065Is it normal to be completely lost?
>>722711296If it makes you feel any better, the first 5 of those Lost Lace tries were me using a Crest I'd never used before (Architect) in an attempt to cheese her, so it's more like 6 real tries. She, with Reaper Crest, took me fewer attempts than Last Judge, Groal the Great, and Savage Beastfly 2.Karmelita kicked my ass so hard that I ended up turning into a Gamer God by the time I won. The one and only boss to ever take me more tries than Karmelita was Absolute Radiance.
>>722711649Yes. Where are you right now?
>>722711649Completely Lost? That's a little weird. Maybe you just have a bad sense of direction. Sorta lost? Happens all the time if I'm running towards something like a spaz and miss an exit.
>>722710331Silksong weeding out the iframe shitters has been nothing short of glorious
Bilewater isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Still the hardest area in the game so far.
>>722699846Just jump. They don't have an anti-air since they jump away from you. I guess technically their Thread Storm can AA you, but that's super telegraphed.
>>722711649But to be lost is to be sometime found, is it not sung?
Nerf Lost Lace.
>>722711835Bilewater is more annoying than anything.
>>722711926-1 health, there you happy
>>722711926Make her stronger. Love fighting this little brat.
>>722711275desu i dont think any crest outside of Hunter, Shaman and Architect will make it far on radiant. Reaper is to slow and the extra silk is not worth it, Witch depends of healing, Wanderer has to little range and in a game with contact damage that makes it really risky, and beast isnt worthy.
>>722712072*desuhow tf did i write desu in the first place???
>>722712150Word filters
>>722712150desu desu
>>722712072You said to instead of too twice
>>722712150>outing yourself as a newfagEmbarrassing
>>722712150baka desu senpai
>>722711926Or better yet just replace it with an actual final boss.
I was kinda hoping the ending would imply that I would be able to use some power to help bring back the Fallen Kingdoms around Pharloom but now it kinda just seems like I've permanently exterminated the last vestiges of their existence and I feel kinda bad. Especially the Skarr. Those guys are cool and their mom was hot.
Been playing for a few hours now and it's starting to get annoying. Every mob is taking more and more hits to kill and bosses especially are taking forever to killAlso flying enemies are fucking cancer
Awakening's being slept on. The leitmotif!! leitmotif is right therehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK1X_9EOmhQ&t=45s
>>722712479exploreget upgrades and weapons dont forget about the breakable walls and hidden rooms up top
>>722712543I recognise the music but have no idea when it plays, I guess it's for Silk because I can't imagine anything else deserving such a bombastic score
>>722704048High Halls Arena wasn't hard, though.>SSS tier difficultyKarmelitaSeth Flea Games>S tier difficultySavage Beastfly 2Lace 2Lost LaceLast JudgeSethShakraWatcher at the EdgeRaging Conchfly (Karak)Flea GamesCourier's RasherGrandmother Silk with Curse>A tier difficultyHunter's March arenaTormented TrobbioSecond SentinelLost GarmondBell EaterDisgraced Chef LugoliThe Unraveled Forebrothers Signis and GronGroal the Great>B tier difficultySavage BeastflyPlatforming to Nameless VillageTrue Verdania (incl Pale Stag)Highhalls ArenaCoral Tower (sans CKK)Gurr the OutcastTrobbioWidowPinstressFather of the FlameNylethSprintmaster Grandmother Silk>C tier difficultyPlatforming in Mount FayCrust King KhannPhantomFirst SinnerCogwork DancersGrey Moor Craw Arena (w/ Crawfather)BroodmotherPlasmified Zango>D tier difficultyPlatforming in Sands of KarakGreat Conchflies (Blasted Steps)Sister SplinterMoorwingClover DancersCrawfather Bell Beast Knife Target Game>F tier difficultyMoss MotherLace 1Fourth ChorusVoltvyrmCragglerGarmond and ZazaSkull TyrantGiant Flea
>>722706016Lace's scene if you get to the citadel through Phantom should 100% be different and I'd even call it an oversight.
>>722696065Haven’t played the game, who is this
>>722712479
Is this thing about Karmelita being harder than Lost Lace a meme? It took me 3 tries to kill her
Whispering Vaults theme is slept on. Love that track, probably my favourite Citadel area toohttps://youtu.be/CDAuas3fO8A
>>722711119We already had one.
>>722712150Based
>>722702646I just assumed they dropped their shells and left
>>722712827Grandma
>>722712923Yeah and Bambi's mom is just sleeping
>>722712753 yes, we killed her too fast to recognize the track
>>722706016>...Their voices... Their song... ...Their memory... ...Bind their shells... ...Bind their souls... ...Bind them all... ...Raise them... Up... ...To devote... Eternal... ...One mind... One union... …They are ours… Bound forever…That's the beavers
>>722712880I don't know. I beat Karmelita on my 4th try and I'm already on my 7th loss against Lost Lace but I was also getting impatient and was just trying to get the fight over with so I decided to call it a day and I'm gonna go sleep now and leave Lost Lace for tomorrow.
>>722706875I might be retarded because I just don't "get" First Sinner. I thought the fakeouts were cool, but the boss fight was kinda boring. I just beat her on my 2nd run again today and didn't really care.Meanwhile I loved Trobbio, Tormented Trobbio, Nyleth, Lace, Pinstress, Shakra, Lost Garmond, and Fourth Chorus
>>722713081It's funny that as more of the lore is understood the Weavers look worse and worse
so these are the origination of the weavers right? the first sinner cutscene looks mighty similar to these and the description feels like it hints at it
>>722713392yes
>>722710405My theory is that Widow was one of the Weavers that was granted divinity by GMS and is the one that helped free GMS from her silk cocoon, allowing the Haunting to start, and in the process being punished by having her mask torn off and her silk sealed. So in return, she uses GMS' silk as her own.
>>722713351small thumbnail looks like she's taking a piss
>>722713392Yeah, Silk uplifted them to act as her Surrogate daughters and then when First Singer found out she blabbed, got punished, and then all the others started wanting out from Silk's influence. "You're not my real Mom!" shit.How come Silk didn't just try fucking normally? Didn't have a Wyrm around to get her hot and bothered?
>>722713654esikson
>>722713585>First Singer
>>722708505As far as I've pieced together, the Conductors are trying to keep Pharloom functioning after locking up GMS and they desperately need more silk. They can't use GMS' silk since a) she's locked up in gay baby jail, and b) she would mind control them. And yet, because of the need to have the Chorus operating 24/7, they need more silk to keep the city copacetic. So they send out members of the Chorus to kidnap Weavers to milk for silk in a vain effort to keep the city functioning. GMS is obviously still capable of creating more silk and creating more Weavers, so she'd have 0 reason to send out the Faithful to kidnap 1/4th or 1/8th weavers.
>>722712479>mobs and bosses are harder to killutilize spells more if you haven't upgrade your needle yet>flying enemiestry to get below them. It gets easier once you get clawline. remember to use your tools(very important). hope you're not one of those soulskiddies who only know how to r1
Brat
>>722713654My Hornet isn't THAT derpy but it still has mildly asymmetrical eyes but I'm too mushy to contemplate replacing it.
>>722709054My GOAT is tentacle-raping the both of them in the eternal Abyss.
>>722713928It's got charm if it's imperfect, I would keep it.
oh hey, I get itPharloomLoomSilk Heh
I want to learn more about wyrms. I know they're basically extinct, but if they're anything like pale king, surely we'd be able to meet another half wyrm hybrid.
>>722713835Lace seemed to think it was Silk though and she's been around long enough that you'd think she'd be able to tell unless she really is that oblivious to what is going on
>>722709054What's with these two both having metal monopod legs?
>>722713978did you not notice all of the bells, pin cushions etc, "lace" threads and everything else in the game anon
>>722706992So, were we on trial for the whole end of the world thing? That's how I read it.
>>722713984You ever read Dune? It's pretty much that in Reverse.
>>722713954Why did he save lace?
>>722714092Yeah that's what their enemy descriptions implies. Kind of a weird system>Guy brings about the Apocalypse>Try to kick his ass>He kicks your ass. >Okay, we forgive you
>>722698542Was it good RNG or does that really stun that much?
>>722709507>Ruled absolutely throughout his reign1. The Soul Sanctum was founded without his knowledge and without his blessing. 2. Deepnest would disagree3. The Mantises would disagree4. The Bees would disagree>pretentious mf thinking he has the last kingdomHe doesn't think Hallownest is the last kingdom, but several NPCs in both games and the HK comic show that the area between kingdoms is a desolate wasteland filled with beasts.>Still had social inequality and class divideThis is a good thing>Soul sanctum>GenocideNigga...?>Child sacrificeHe didn't exactly kill them, he was experimenting on them with Void juice. They're all still alive down there, and they no-clip out of bounds and wind up at Dirtmouth all the time. Hornet has probably killed more of her siblings than Pale King killed his kids.
I just think she's neat. I hope hornet remembers to return her silk heart
>>722714195You could explain that away by assuming they did not think you were strong enough to save the world. By killing their leader, you proved them wrong.
>>722709785Nigga the pogo hits ABOVE Hornet with Longclaw. It's easily the best crest in the game for platforming, and for bosses it's still not bad since it has the healing passive and still has its incredible range. You can easily clip bosses with hits you wouldn't be able to land with any other crest and then back off before getting hit. That's especially important late game when the other crests (besides Wanderer) aren't getting more than 1 hit in in a punish window anyway so it's got the same DPS as all of them while still keeping its insane range.
>>722714241With absolutely no confidence on the matter I think that stuns are based on number of hits and not damage done
>>722714240Sherma killed him
>>722714092>>722714195bitch deserved some beating. Everything was fine till she showed up
>>722714240>98% game completion>Still have no idea what this thing is. Welp
>>722710361I'm playing through Bug Fables now while waiting for Prime 4. Maybe I'll replay Hi-Fi Rush or attempt a Steel Soul 100% run if I run out of stuff to do before December.
>>722713585Apparently their instincts as Pale Beings would naturally lead them to compete in nearly all cases.Even PK and the White Lady are guilty to an extent.PK took Hallownest from the Radiance and the White Lady intruded into Unn's lands.>>722713984>but if they're anything like pale king, surely we'd be able to meet another half wyrm hybrid.The Pale King didn't have children until it was required, so if other Wyrms are like the Pale King they're probably childless unless it was for deal struck, like with Herrah.
Red Maiden has the same leitmotif as her(hornet) boss theme from HK. If I'm not missing anything, It only played once during the slab (implying she was the boss of that scene). They should use it more often. I love my memberberrieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnDlcvqthpg&t=19s
I tried to go back to og HK and finish pantheons I had left on my 110% file, got filtered by psy or what was his name, the little merchant shit. Holy fuck the healing system is so fuckin bad in first game
Can anyone tell me why the dice guy died. He left the dice too.
>>722714570His luck ran out.
>>722714570Big tremor make rocks fall. Rocks hurt.
>>722710465>Dream Nail popping bugs' noggins off>Swimming segment>Giant spider fight>Snail village>More inhabited Dirtmouth We were robbed
>>722714570his bones got rolled
>>722703432Post the full version
>>722714495Then why didn't pk and wl have that fighting instinct with each other?
I want a New Game+ mod where I can play through the entire game with every tool and movement upgrade, but zero needle upgrades.
>>722708334seems like the same punishment the mad scientist bitch that gives you your abortion had
>>722714551have you tried using nail arts?
>>722701593Hornet's poor, raw, tortured holes.
>>722714686They dumped it all in bed
>>722714590>>722714625>>722714648When?
>>722706562Based.
>>722714114almost certainly because she was with Hornet
>>722714114She's not Pale enough for him. He only cares to rape full deities. That's why he doesn't bother with his sister either.
>>722710224I need Godhome 2.0 and I'm good.I would like more games in Hollowverse, but not necessarily metroidvanias. Should be easy for them to transition to precision platformer or even go wild and do like a shmup
>>722714730The charged attacks you mean? I thought they are shit and never used them
>>722714438>Everything was fineThe kingdom was doomed well before she showed up. GMS was going to wake up and then everyone would be eternally fucked.
>>722702252slipping in the bit of bitching about 'accessibility' (hard games existing) too is funny
>>722714834Act 3
>>722714686The Pale King and the White Lady are honestly just weird.The Pale King adopted a tiny form and the White Lady has actively been restraining her power.They had less desire to rule as Pale Beings and more to rule as King and Queen.Honestly the best explanation is simply that they loved each other.
I thought parrying was mainly a showoff trick, but only now at the Citadel I'm realizing how much easier it makes some grunt fights to just stand your ground and deflect. Did this also apply to HK?
>>722715138he actually dies as soon as you start Act 2
>got the first ending in Hollow Knight>it's basically the second ending of BlasphemousThese indie devs either play each other games or got the same influences. Not that I'm complaining.Exploration of the game feels repetitive but for all its worth it has been pretty fun so far. Specially the insect aesthetics everywhere.
>>722715051With the Nail Master charm they're pretty good, but IMO the superior charm setup for anything not one-shotting you is Quick Focus + Shape of Unn. The Knight actually moves as fast as running Hornet when healing with that setup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA-FTECOShs
>>722715138
>>722714114>Letting your big sister's trying to save someoneKnight is a good brother. He bitchslaps the Radiance and doesn't afraid of nothing.
>>722714551Sly has a tiny but very noticeable set of windows of opportunity to get an attack in. I find trying to move and jump to dodge while holding the button down for nail arts a pain in the ass so I always just chip away at him.
>>722705995>the flowerYou mean progress the snail quest?
>>722714245>the HK comic show that the area between kingdoms is a desolate wasteland filled with beasts.What kind of beasts?Any mammals or birds?
>>722715169Hornet is WAAAAY better at parrying than the knight. You can just button mash here, that only works for like the first two hits of multi-hit attacks in HK and then the rest you have to time.
>>722713779
>>722714392>It's homophobic to be against auntie/niece couplings.Sherma, as always, is the only good boy in the game.
>>722715365Aggressive worms and little beetles.
>>722715362yeah, it's probably only one more step if you've got all the heartsI know he didn't show up anywhere until I went and did that step and then he showed up at Greymoor immediately
>>722715169Shade Cloak and Descending Dark make it kind of irrelevant.
>>722714241>>722714372I think it's both damage and timer based, if you wait it out obviously they get unstunned but I did remember experimenting and using a silk spear for instance would generally instantly make bosses recover, while they would still take a couple regular hits which I personally find more beneficial since it also recovers more silk
>>722715424It's funny because Hornet is also way more homophobic. She commits 4 hate crimes against homos (Trobbio, Cogwork Dancers, Tormented Trobbio, Clover Dancers) and even rips out a homo's heart for no reason just to keep it as a trophy. Not to mention her going full TND on the flies.
I lost to Cogwork Dancers phase 4, am I retarded?
>>722715608Shit man I don't know what to say
>>722715608Kinda
Did the original Hollow Knight leitmotif play anywhere?
>>722701496>Hornet: In the ward down below, I saw it clear, the hollowed husks, and the many torturous implements... machines to instill a bug with thread, that would see their life extended.>Caretaker: Aye! That's it, in part! But there's more scale to it than all that. Just think of'em greedily shoving the Silk into their shells, the madness that overcame them, eternal life for mortal bugs! Then think on how long it's all gone on...>Hornet: ...The children born of them, and all the pilgrims after... The Silk has seeded deep into this kingdom's shells, generations deep...No wonder Pharloom's bugs proved such easy prey for that haunted thread. It had only to seek for itself to reach them.GMS didn't infuse the bugs with silk, dumbasses did it to themselves. Also, the Weavers didn't leave because of the Haunting, they staged a falseflag to pass rule over to Conductors who thought they were overthrowing the Weavers. Probably because they knew the seals wouldn't last forever but the Haunting didn't explicitly happen yet.>Conductor Ballador: The mantle of rule, claimed greedily from Pharloom's fading first children, those bitter Weavers... it was yoke, not crown.>Rune Harp: "Sisters, spiders, the burden is passed. These simple bugs shall bear it full. Never to cease. Never to silence. We shall die, and wait, and pray, that one may come of silken strength enough to weave us free."
>>722715608I also died to it on my 2nd playthrough. I accidentally hit the heal button and got my throat slit by the fagbot.
>>722713392>hints at itNigga they explicitly show it. What's wrong with your brain.
>>722715051Nail arts trivialize Sly's fight as It should because he's the nailmaster (ludo). use them more if you don't want to pull your hair everytime you fight Markoth w/o bottom floor and No Eyes with spikes room , on the last pantheon
>>722702252>we know it was colonization because of the failed tramwayI don't get the logic in this. Like what does the Tram especially say about the Pale King trying to integrate Deepnest compared to, say, the fact that he nutted fucking deep into Herrah's spussy and gave them a demigod princess that was dutied to protect Hallownest for eternity. That's more classic vassal shenanigans.
>>722715917From what I can tell, they did so long after GMS had been sealed. They were prey for The Haunting because they were trying to extend their lifespans to keep the Chorus going and accidentally polluted every other living creature in the kingdom making them easy prey when GMS' prison started falling apart. Kinda like how the Radiance was leaking her Fanta to mind control bugs into killing Hollow Knight and freeing her.
>CUE DUBSTEP
>don't mind us>we're just the best part of the game
>>722714372This is correct and it was the same way in HK.If you Clawline a lot you'll see more stuns in a fight because Clawline does less damage but still counts as a hit.
>>722716239No.
>>722716239the slab escape sequence maybe, I liked mt fay but it really feels like it's lacking something on repeat playthroughs and the slab as an area is nothing special. Great boss though, despite being hidden.
>>722715608Depends. Did you beat P3 and assume the fight was obviously over and go to take a 5 minute shit without pausing the game?
>>722716113Remember, leftoids think capital-C Colonization is synonymous with the Industrial Revolution, Capitalism, and Europeans. This is unironically the grand unified theory of "Colonialist Studies". When they say they want to "decolonize" something, it means they want to remake it in the image of Gay Race Communism.Top that off with the Pale King being Hornet's biological father and them universally having daddy issues and you can see why they hate the Pale Chad. He's a White invader that brought prosperity and industry to a backwater land, became its monarch, and created a class system. No wonder those Tumblrinas are so mad at him.
Was it ever explained what the haunting was?
>>722716503>has 1 (one, uno, ichi) problem>throw a billion children at it >it fails>kills himselfwhat a chad. lol
>>722716340Mount Fay needs a second, even higher peak to climb once you get the cloak. I'm holding out that it gets patched in as Silksong's Path of Pain, with nothing at the top but a crumb of lore and a telescope to gaze upon Pharloom (a la Lurien's tower).
>>722716565>citadel bugs start injecting silk into everyone chasing immortality>as GMS becomes more lucid she now suddenly has a whole civilization of silk-stuffed bugs that she can puppet
>>722714551>>722714730I didn't beat him with nail arts, I just learned to dodge everything. At most, dodging one of his moves or combos involved climbing up the wall then dashing off of it, but couldn't tell you which. Didn't think he was too hard. Not bragging or anything, I'm not particularly good and I struggled a lot with some other pantheon fights.>>722715051I didn't use them much, probably because I favored the quick attack charm. But they are good for bosses you have to dodge a lot and don't get many chances to hit back, like >>722716030Also, for the Collector fight with Charm bindings when you can no longer one-shot the summons.
>>722716565You mean apart from GMS's silk falling everywhere and posessing the bugs in some kind of dream-induced puppeteering show?
>>722716587A fucking zombie apocalypse (very visible one) caused by a God is quite a huge problem. He also didn't kill (all) of his kids. Most of them are still alive in the Abyss. They're just personality-less because he was trying to create the perfect void being to seal The Radiance. Little dudes are just chilling in the Abyss until they no-clip out into the wastes, find their way back to Hallownest, and get wasted by Hornet. Hornet has killed more of Pale King's kids than he did.
Did the Conductors know they were keeping GMS asleep?If so, why did they want that?I just can't remember.
>>722716841>Conductor Ballador: Now, in our Citadel's silence, we share their truth. Only one monarch's claws ever clutched this kingdom, though we raised our voices to cry otherwise.They knew but were basically forced to keep her asleep because what's really the alternative? If they let her wake up, they're fucked
>>722715816you can somewhat hear it from Red Memory. It's clearer on x2 speedhttps://youtu.be/PJWao0j0agM?si=iQpJyjzlhz3xWur_
>>722716503>white boi comes to town>hastily uplifts everyone>in the process, massively fuck things up for the native population and their culture>massively bites him in the ass, everyone starts dying of disease n' shit>the only ones that continue to survive are the native tribes that maintained independence>proceeds to kill himself in his goon cave>ages later, his autistic soulless half-white half-black muttoid descendant comes back to claim hyperboriaDamn, it really is true to life
>>722710224Either a completely different franchise or a game where you play THE TITULAR CHARACTER
>>722716949>>>Conductor Ballador: Now, in our Citadel's silence, we share their truth. Only one monarch's claws ever clutched this kingdom, though we raised our voices to cry otherwise.>They knew but were basically forced to keep her asleep because what's really the alternative? If they let her wake up, they're fuckedAre they?>Hey GMS, your adopted daughters tricked us. Now we stopped your eternal sleep spell. Lets kill da hoes together.
So what the fuck did GMS actually want out of Pharloom. Just bitchy and mopey that she has to settle for God-Queen status after all her kids, adopted or otherwise, told her to kick bricks, or is it specifically revenge after getting sealed up for a while.
>>722717083Without the Pale King you fucking moths would still be living in huts
>>722716565>Grand Mother Silk gets trapped in gay baby jail by the Weavers.>The Chorus is started to keep her asleep in the cocoon in the Cradle so she doesn't start trying to break out.>The Conductors are in charge of keeping the Chorus going 24/7 to keep granny asleep.>In order to keep the Chorus going, they need to keep an entire class of citizenry whose only job is to sing continuously.>They start running out of Choirbugs.>Start the Pilgrimage to get more "faithful" to make the trek to The Citadel>Whiteward is created to stuff the existing bugs with silk to extend their lifespan and hopefully keep the shitshow running.>Conductors send out Loyalists to kidnap Weavers to get more silk to keep the whole operation running>Granny Silk wakes up and since every bug in the kingdom has silk in their shells in order to extend their lifespans, something that they pass down to their descendants, she basically has a complete GPS map of every bug in the kingdom>Sends out her silk tendrils (while still trapped in her cocoon) to possess the bugsI'm not quite sure where Lace fits into all of this exactly. I need a couple more playthroughs to fully understand the whole scope of the story. Maybe during my next vacation from work I'll do a 2nd replay and pay attention to all the details.
>>722717189I still say Team Cherry is wrong. This knight wasn't hollow, the player knight was.Tall boy's the pseudo Hollow Knight, but Shade Lord was born from a real Hollow Knight.
>>722716841Opening poem - Pharlooms foolishness They see your beauty, so frail and fine,They see your peace, woven of faith and toil,They forget your heart, bound in slumber and servitude, <<<< GMSWhen you wake they shall see your truth,A beast's nature bare to all.- From 'Pharloom’s Folly' by the Conductor Romino They definitely knew, not only did they know, they kinda enslaved her lmao
>>722717083To be fair, the disease wasn't started by him. It was started by the fucking Chinese (moths). His civilization was working perfectly fine beforehand.
>>722717253>the player knight was.How can you play through the game and still get this plot point wrong
Sister NTR
>>722717253yea that's kind of the whole plot of the gameand hallownest named him the hollow knight, it's not just some random moniker team cherry gave him
>>722717204>without the Pale King, you moths would all be living in hutsMeanwhile, with the Pale King>99% of all moths are dead>the only one that's left....is living in a hutIt's more apt to say all the bugs would've been left scurrying the waste....but then 99% of them are now zombies or also living in huts. Even the White Lady is basically in a hut now.Basically, all Pale King's civilization amounted to was Eternal Emilitia getting to be smug in her apartment
>>722717357Lace is trying to kill Hornet like Hornet did to the Knight in Hollow Knight. She freed Hornet in Blasted Steps to stop the Conductors from getting their claws on Hornet to milk her silk.
>>722717253According to the Voidheart, Ghost also had a will.I think it was impossible to create a truly empty shell like the pale king needed.
>ZANZIBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHWhat was your honest reaction the first time you heard this?
>>722717328anon the knight is empty and thus able to both suppress the radiance and unify the void. that's the entire point
>>722717205GMS is the one kidnapping weavers post-haunting. It's why Lace is jealous
>>722717193>though we raised our voices to cry otherwise.Acting like a victim as if they didn't enslave pilgrims in the underworks
>>722711119
>>722717508And you're still wrong, if the Knight was truly empty he would ignore everything that isn't part of his path to kill the Radiance, yet he can do any sort of sidequest, he ISN'T empty
>>722717508Explain the silksong ending
>>722717427>99% of all moths are deadI wonder why? Maybe it has something to do with their evil god that is infecting everyone with a mind-altering mutagenic virus?>the only one that's left....is living in a hutShe's the only one remaining in the kingdom. There are surely other moths out there that decided to fuck off when the kingdom fell.The Seer is like those darkies that are old enough to remember Rhodesia and just sit around in the fallen Zimbabwe wishing the white men would come back and rule the place for them.
>>722715917NTA but>Also, the Weavers didn't leave because of the Haunting, they staged a falseflagThe Weavers that left were the ones from Weavenest Cindril and those ones left long long before any of that, but they did leave because of GMS, as per the Rune Harp you find there:>"Flee, sisters. Flee until your strength exhausts, so far you may escape at last her silken sight. To start anew, to sustain, free of web and service eternal."This dates from the time before the Weavers ruled, they weren't one unified group, there were factions trying to solve the GMS problem.Eva for example seems to have been an attempt to replace her with a God of their own making.
>>722717506I died, my ghost is posting thisI give props. It's slightly different enough that it's not too on the nose
>>722717523GMS wouldn't need to kidnap weavers when she can just create more once she's free.
>sought out the Grimm Troupe to upgrade my Fragile Charms>12.000 to get them backWell FUCK
>>722717193It was their voices that perpetuated the slumber for long enough that the entire population got silk in their genes. That's enough justification for her anger
>>722717269The moths and Radiance aren't like the Chinese, since they were the original natives of Hallownest anyways. It's more akin to like, colonizing the Bantu, and them going>ok, but if you do this, ooga booga spirit god is going to get pissedand it all turning out to be real.Although, the Pale King has less of an excuse, given that gods are very much real in Hollow Knight's world, and he'd know this because he is one. He just got too cocky about thinking he successfully Stalin'd the Radiance from the world. Shame he missed like, one remaining goon totem atop the Crystal Peaks and fucked everything up.
>>722717683lmao outplayed I remember that one anon from a couple of weeks ago that couldn't beat Soul Tyrant because he gave his Fragile Strength charm to the ant and couldn't afford to get it back.
>>722712150man everoyne but one of them replied nicelyback when i did this exact reply i got told to kill myself in like 13 replies
>>722717427You fucking lamphumpers always try to excuse your savage culture
>>722717584>Maybe it has something to do with their evil god that is infecting everyoneThe Pale King told them he'd be able to throw hands with the Radiance when he took over. It's not their fault that he's more bitchmade than the queen of floof.>She's the only one remaining in the kingdom>Surely all the other moths leftAh yes, great advertisement for the Pale King>no no, ACTUALLY you won't all die because I failed to live up to my own hype, you'll just lose all your lands and be exiled to the ends of the Earth where none will likely ever be able to see you ever again>all the moths are still fine, they're just off-screen
>>722708786Does this scene play out differently if the bridge is still there, or does the bridge get destroyed anyways?
>>722717731AFAIK, he knew that Radiance was going to be mad, but he thought he could still win the fight. But then some of the bugs, like the Traitor Lord, started siding with the Radiance and turned the tides of the battle. Radiance more or less returned bugs back to nature by deleting the mind that Pale King had gifted them while also turning them into infectious zombies that spread the mind-deleting marmalade. It's more akin to what's happening in Africa right now where civilization is collapsing, causing refugees who flee to other countries causing them to collapse. All the natives are returning back to their pre-colonial tribal states
>>722717780It wouldn't even be as much of a problem if I still had a bank, but that fat lady scammed me. I hunted her down in the spa sure, but it leaves me with a fat wallet I can't deposit and I don't trust myself with NOT dying twice in a row
>>722717597Oh right I forgot about the factions. Thanks anon, gonna add that to my lore document
>>722718068Sell your collectibles to the collector in the City of Tears. IIRC, you can get well over 10k from him alone if you sell him every collectible.
>>722717597Does the rune harp charm give different/more text for characters/areas?
>>722717662You're looking at it the wrong way anon. We know GMS is the one kidnapping weavers, that's a fact, it's outright stated. The story as it's presented would make zero sense if the conductors were the ones kidnapping weavers. It's why the weaver cages are found in the cradle and not in whiteward for example.
>>722718206Thanks for the tip
>>722717891>The Pale King told them he'd be able to throw hands with the Radiance when he took over. It's not their fault that he's more bitchmade than the queen of floof.He did fight the Radiance off when taking over. That's how he ended up building up Hallownest. But she came back with the Infection, and the Traitor Mantises deliberately infected themselves and betrayed Hallownest to side with Radiance. >no no, ACTUALLY you won't all die because I failed to live up to my own hype, you'll just lose all your lands and be exiled to the ends of the Earth where none will likely ever be able to see you ever againThey weren't exiled, they just left the fallen kingdom like how the Weavers left Pharloom. They saw shit going down so they abandoned Hallownest, all with the exception of the Seer.
>>722718295Counterpoint: Lace is retarded
>play Hollow Knight again>it's physically impossible to defeat any enemy while staying on the floor>everything is pogo nowI have become Hornet Silksong
>>722717193Even if they were common bugs they were still the lords of the kingdom. You really expect the ruling class to do anything but desperately cling to power, especially when the one they'd be ceding it to is literally a God who would probably smite them just to put them back in their place, and that's before she learns they've been capturing and enslaving her children and their descendants. Even if she's upset at the Weavers that would still piss her off.
>>722718443I can't say that I know because I'm still beating Hollow Knight but my fight against the, well, Hollow Knight, was basically pogo jumping on him since he had lots of horizontal attacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpF_hHYtUoA&list=PLczA8pMWxlsFUFEtlc6MuucBX-OmKPKkN&index=3Somehow, I'm not sure a Piano Collections version of the Silksong OST wouldn't work as well as Hollow Knight's.
>>722718621>wouldn'tFuck, meant would*
>>722718295The Cradle was being run by the Conductors too. That's GMS' prison, and it's why you need the Threefold Song to access it. Only Conductor Ballador knew his part of the Threefold Song by the time of the game, and thus only someone with the blessing of the Conductor could've brought the cages up to The Cradle.You could say they would come in from above, but the Choir goes through Blasted Steps rather than through Nameless Village. They were obviously heading for The Grand Gate which would've brought them right past High Halls where the Conductors are.
>>722717253 they all morbed into the shade lord (the big one)
>>722696065being on your thread because i got spoiled thanks to that >:(
>>722718749Envoy Hunters Journal Entry:>Bugs like these crossed the caves to bring me to Pharloom. I cut down many before my capture. Then I had thought them minded and cunning. Now I see the singular will that haunts them all.Hornet says that the Envoys were haunted so it stands to reason that GMS sent them
>>722718017scene plays the same (body goes "behind" the bridge) also yeah the bridge gets destroyed anyways on act 3
>>722718295The counterpoint is that there's no logical reason why or how she would be able to. Why would she even be after weaver-spawn? She doesn't need silk, she literally is Silk. Even if she did, the Haunting lets her control bugs instinctually, but she's not conscious enough to give them such detailed and written instructions. Even if she could, the bugs that were sent out to capture Hornet and the rest went far outside of Pharloom, way outside the range where Silk would be able to control them. The Conductors being behind it just makes more sense.
>>722718429All the silk heart dialogue is from the perspective of GMS as well and she also admits the same.>...Child... Weaver...>...Child... Spider...>...Arrived... At last...>...Rise... Rise...>...Come, child... Witness our waking...I'm literally trying to help you anon, you want to understand the lore and I'm feeding it to you by the spoon>>722718749You're just gonna ignore lace huh?
>>722718621https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEYPSrnSmnI
>>722718771So wait, is the Void Entity the Abyss itself or is it just like the apex predator of the Abyss like how both Wyrms and Weavers are Pale Beings who manifest light?
>>722718362>They saw shit going down so they abandoned Hallownest, all with the exception of the Seer.where you got this from? >Ahhh... Your Dream Nail holds over 200 Essence. You're proving your talent in its collection. Have you seen that great door just outside? My tribe closed it long ago and forbade its opening. Ah, but as far as I can tell I'm the only member of my tribe still breathing. That means I needn't feel bad about breaking a taboo. As proof of my belief in you, I'll open the door. There, the door is open and you can enter the glade beyond it. Listen closely in there and you may hear the utterings of bugs long gone.I know, >as far as I can tellbut surely with how very devout in Radiance and that wielder stuff she is I doubt the Seer would break a law knowing that there are still other moths to mald over it
>>722718926>Weaver tech is what bound her in the first place>Need a weaver to free herselfI could see this line of reasoning having merit
>>722718771>A swarm of shotas were drawn to pale thickness>Only got there in time to see fake thickness of lacePoor shotas.
>>722718952Sounds like shit. There's no emotion in the playing when compared to the official Piano Collections OST. Completely robotic with no interesting variations or flourishes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB1rgO8jMZo
>>722716712yeah
>>722718749We see them walking through the main entrance/exit out of Pharloom in the opening cinematic, going left to right.If they're at that bridge, they missed the turn for Blasted Steps.They were walking in the direction of Shellwood.
>>722713954What a doting older brother.
>>722718295>>722718951>>722718875So basically Lace, GMS and Hornet all outright state that GMS is the one who organised to have Hornet captured and somehow /v/ still disagrees
I will not apologize for using Poison Cogflies on Groal.
>>722698937The citadel destroyed Verdania. I assume they did the same to Garmond's village.
>>722719235TC should nerf this by making poison tools do half damage to Bilewater enemies.
>>722719282They honestly should be resistant to poison. They already live in a literal shithole.
>>722698937I've seen some theories that Garmond's village was nameless town and until I see evidence otherwise, that's what I'm going with
>>722718951>All the silk heart dialogue is from the perspective of GMSNo it isn't
>>722698542I literally did this but with wanderer instead. This bitch's hitboxes and height are straight up unfun and annoying. I feel like spam like this is just the best way to power through.
>>722719343but then there'd be two distinct mementos for the same town. that doesn't seem right to me
>>722719343Garmond is green, the surface village and it's bugs are blue. He's not one of them, plus they are neanderthals of bugs and he's smart
I love that The Knight became a god. It's a well deserved reward.Not only a god but The God of Gods.
>>722702279>it's Hornet's fault that Garmond diedHornet deserves fly rape then death
>>722718926Because the Weavers are HERS and she wants them BACK. It’s that simple. She wants her kids back.
>>722719528Lace hopped into the void so I blame her
>>722719509He's literally trapped in a place full of nothing except the souls of his dead siblings
>>722719347It definitely is. It wouldn't make sense from anyone else's perspective.
>>722717430So she could milk horny milk herself yes
>>722719504Technically, nameless town citizens had sentience before they were seduced by GMS so they weren't neanderthals until recently
>>722719642The Weavers also control silk and were also in control of the Citadel at one point and also have a connection to Hornet
>>722719636They're chilling
>looking for secrets in swamp area>find screeching larvae >permanently cries inside of inventory>”Hey this thing kind of looks like the slug lady in Shellwood”>bring it to her to finish what I think is a simple quest>get tentacle raped and snuffed, then reborn and cursed with those parasites that praying mantises getWas not expecting that, is this just a side quest for a new weapon art?
>>722710224I went back to replay Hollow Knight
>>722718926I think she was getting weaker and was looking for someone precisely like Hornet who she could fuse with/take control of in order to reinvigorate herself. All the other weaver spawn she caught before then were too weak to be of use.
>>722719768New crest. Although if you complete the side quest, you get locked out of one of the endings.
>>722719753>Come, child... Witness our waking...Why would the Weavers be saying this? You don't even get silk hearts from anything weaver related, it's all from things involved with GMS's silk
>>722719537That would make sense if not for all of the weavers kidnapped being only 1/4th weaver at best before Hornet. They're being kidnapped for their silk.
>>722706464It depends on the spider.Tarantulas, especially arboreal ones, have super soft fur on their toe pads
>>722718953It's probably just an apex predator from too much babies dumping. the fact that he did shred/fight off the tendrils instead of command them shows that he doesn't have the dominion over the void. he's just really strong
>>722719848Oh is that the only Silk Heart message? My mistake
>>722719898So what happened to this dude after I killed the Teacher?
>>722719753Why don't you actually pay attention to the contents of the dialogue. The perspective of the 1st and 3rd silk hearts both mention that they're still in slumber and of their awakening. That's GMS, the weavers aren't in slumber>...Come, child... Witness our waking...>...One to wish our waking...The second silk heart is literally all about the haunting>...Their voices... Their song...>...Their memory...>...Bind their shells...>...Bind their souls...>...Bind them all...>...Raise them... Up...>...To devote... Eternal...>...One mind... One union...>...They are ours... Bound forever...which again is all GMS, not the weavers.
>>722719851Why would anyone need weavers for their silk. There’s silk fucking everywhere. GMS is fucking shitting it out constantly. They’re not short on silk.
>>722719951He disappears to lands unknown now that his job is complete.
>>722719951he ded nigga
>>722719951We don't know, but in the game files it's called that asset is called quirrel_death_nail.
>>722719913>...Better a child spun mad... than none...>...Better a child spun frail... than none...>...Better a child spun pure... than them...>...One to wish our waking...>...From our Silk... A child born loyal... A yes totally a weaver thing to say and not GMS directly talking about making Lace>...Their voices... Their song...>...Their memory...>...Bind their shells...>...Bind their souls...>...Bind them all...>...Raise them... Up...>...To devote... Eternal...>...One mind... One union...>...They are ours... Bound forever... This is literally GMS taking about Haunting everyone
>>722720062>>722720063>>722720072oh my God
>>722719951>no longer has the mask>older, more gravely tone in his voice during the blue lake sequence>has basically stated that a person without a weapon is as good as dead (leaves his only weapon)>asset filename implies he died
>>722720047GMS wasn't producing much silk since she was locked up. They needed silk so much they had the workers in Grey Moor dredge silk falling from the Citadel so they could reuse it. If they didn't need silk, they wouldn't have a slave caste being hunted by Moorwing if they dare leave their posts.
Maybe GMS gave up a part of her own silk when she bestowed it upon the weavers (probably why she's so pissed about their betrayal and desperately trying to kidnap them)
>>722720142You never find his body, though, unlike Tiso and Zote (if you don't save him). He's still walking around somewhere, probably looking for a good place to die.
>>722720141
THIS GAME IS ASS BRO
>>722720126NTA but why the fuck was phantom discarded and why is Lace so mad just because she's made of Silk lore master anon?
>>722720221She uses an awful lot of silk in her fight for that to be the case. She also completely silked-up Bellhart with the help of the Widow. And the Bell Beast too. (BB had to have recently been silked in place since she's still very much alive when you free her)
>>722720273I will take Fog Canyon over Bilewater any day of the week.
please, any tips for flea juggle
>>722717205 In the cut bad end there was a variant of the “Lace interrupts the fight” scene where she actually didn’t show up. As a result, GMS successfully captured Hornet. The end result was fusion, presumably a fusion with GMS mind on top. In the current vanilla end where you just go slap Grandmas shit we can see they fuse, but maybe we are supposed to understand that one as a fusion with Hornet coming out on top. My assumption is that GMS evolving through fusion is a good way to escape/upgrade her current situation.
>>722720126Mad, frail, pure. Phantom, Lace and who? Hornet isn't her daughter or am I retarded
>>722717569again with this retarded argument. learn what a video game is
>>722720030>>722720126I dunno I can still see the second one being the Weavers taking over, why else would they mention the song, what were they singing about beforehand
>>722720273Why is your health bar black? What mod are you playing??
>>722720350There's a reason it was cut, though. Obviously did not fit with the story.
>>722720150Sure they would. That slave caste did all sorts of shit. You can read the Oaths of Fealty, they sent tons of stuff as tithe to the Citadel.Pause to consider, we meet 3 weavers (apart from GMS) in Silksong. First Sinner, Widow, Eva. Not a god damn ONE of them is enslaved to produce silk. We don’t meet a single Weaver held in captivity in the Citadel hooked up to some silk production machine. You got the goddamn Unravelled living in 10 foot trash pit of waste silk in a hole at the bottom of an abandoned surgical ward, but I’m expected to believe silk supplies are so tight they need to capture Hornet to hook her up to some sort of milking machine?Nah. GMS wants her Weavers back. She’s salty that she got Parent Trapped into the big sleep and she’s planning to come back and ground some motherfuckers over it. She’s a God, the idea that a Weaver in eighth part isn’t “really her child” doesn’t track. All weavers are her children. Hornet is MAYBE an exception just because her other parent is a different Pale Being.
I do not understand why GMS needs Hornet. Even Hornet at one point says she has no ideea what the monarch wants to do with her lmao. Why exactly is she necessary? To witness her waking?
>>722720317>And the Bell Beast too. (BB had to have recently been silked in place since she's still very much alive when you free her)Does that mean GMS trapped bell beast there (and gave her a silk heart) to help Hornet on her journey to the cradle?
Neathttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/KBJsEPS7z4Y
>>722720354The context of that quote was getting the silk heart from Lace so "A child born loyal" is referring to Lace
>>722720452 I agree. I think it should only serve as insight as to where Team Cherry’s head was at with several of their endings. While that variant of bad end got cut, I think it was probably cut because it rehashes effectively what you get out of the normal ending. The majority of the information brought to light there is still essentially in the game, just not in that way.
>>722720349Shaman Crest gives not only range, but also extra duration frames on nail swings due to the projectile arc, which makes it very useful.Hit the fleas in order. Dash often and jump little. Try to clump them together, your angle to them dictates the direction they bounce after going up. You can jump and upslash into the single repeat targets (flea brew flea, opera singer flea, etc)
>>722720564What the fuckWho the fuck would guess this is there?
>>722720295>She spun us to fade... She spun us to break... Why us, sister... Why us?Phantom was a failure who aged and greyed so was abandoned. Lace was mad that basically her only reason for being created was to be the perfect daughter who never aged and didn't have any agency so she rebelled
>>722720657one inquisitive bitch
>>722720616I don't seem to have that crest.
>>722720509 Fusing with Hornet, who is both a Weaver (AKA related to her) but is also a Pale Being (God) will bring about evolution. You see a possible outcome of this evolution in the normal ending.
>>722720657>not jumping into and hitting every wallYou didn't play the game right
How funny would it be if Lace had no ideea GMS was asleep. And is only throwing her temper tantrum over perceived neglect.
>>722720761Nigger do you have any fucking clue how goddamn massive the map is?
>>722720796I didn’t ask you for excuses.
>>722720481Overbearing Mother reading vindicated again
>>722720796no one's asking you to do a second pass of the whole map. you were supposed to do a better job of sweeping each area the first time you came upon them
>>722720416The BUGS were singing to keep GMS asleep. That's literally the whole point of the citadel. So GMS is talking about binding the BUGS. The Weavers did not want to make a hivemind, why would they want one mind?
>>722706372But it's not like Hornet breaks the cocoon she just challenges it to a fight.
>>722721015 Yeah, but I think anyone who played game 1 should understand how this occurs. Sealing gods is a shit plan. It didn’t work on Radiance. It didn’t work on GMS in the Cradle. It didn’t work throwing GMS in the void. Sealing gods is a shit tier plan in the world of Hollow Knight.
>>722720876NTA but shut the fuck up anon this is Metroidvania. The genre is all about second and third passing the whole map after every new upgrade. I can't count how many times I went back into Greymoor in my 40h playtrough looking for something I knew was there. Didn't find shit, except craft station and shortcut to Styx. The rest was just plot stuff unrelated to upgrades, like craws, verdania or the cast out surgeon
>>722720980>The BUGS were singing to keep GMS asleep. That's literally the whole point of the citadelDon't buy it, you're making shit up hoping it makes enough sense, the Weavers imprisoned her themselves without having to rely on song
>>722721127Shit tier plan in the long term sure, but for the short time those bugs got to live the good life
>>722721127>It didn’t work throwing GMS in the void.It would have worked eventually. That said the void isn't a seal, it devours gods, it doesn't seal them.
>>722721239 That’s the crux of the fuckup that groups like the Weavers or characters like the Pale King revolve around. They settled for the “Works for now.” Until eventually it didn’t work for shit, by then their options are either die, submit or bail.
>>722721363 You are right, yeah. The Void isn’t a seal. However I’d argue the retarded fuckin Snail Shamans don’t actually care about that and used it like one anyway. The idea was probably supposed to be that she’d die, not cocoon herself under the void sea me waterlogged with Void. It’s possible the Void couldn’t overpower GMS because she was holding together said cocoon to postpone Lace being absorbed by the dark, since GMS quietly uses herself and her cocoon both as fuel for Hornet’s post fight escape.
>>722721228Why do you say that? From what I gather, the Weavers used song to put her to sleep, that’s what the Conductors, choir, etc. were for.When the Weavers fucked off, the Conductors realized they were stuck, they had their foot on the proverbial landmine so they couldn’t move an inch. They had to keep the song going, even though the ones who wanted them to do it had all disappeared, because they knew how royally fucked they’d all be if GMS did fully awaken.As society deteriorated post-Weaver-exodus, the song weakened, and the bind on GMS weakened. This enabled her to create her new silk children, and those children (namely Lace) oversaw the further weakening of the old order to help her fully wake the fuck back up.They were bringing her Weavers and keeping them trapped in cages. They had an “enemies closer” approach, nobody was gonna come back around and strengthen the song again. Weavers were brought and bound via pins into servitude, like Widow, or kept fully chained like Sinner. The bells would be deadened, the gates would be sealed, new pilgrims barred entry, and the ones who remained would be forced to support the awakening because they now relied entirely on GMS for life because silk was the only thing keeping them ageless.
>>722721604I think the idea was that her power was running out, but pharloom would be dust by the time that happened, which is why Hornet's rushing to fix it now. The snails were hoping that it would be instant, not that the whole kingdom would be destroyed with her
>>722721750>the Weavers used song to put her to sleepProve that one and I'll believe whatever else it was you wrote
>>722721152bro... you're map markers...?
>>722721604It’s difficult to tell because void is void, but I always assumed when you see GMS in the void cocoon, she’s mostly black not because of the void, but because she’s threadbare. Her body is a giant silk spool and it’s almost entirely empty when you get down there; she looks “bound” but all that silk is her using her own body to generate the cocoon. She’s dying down there, giving her life force to the last drop to try to keep Lace in a protective bubble. The void is absolutely winning.
>>722721887I can’t prove it, it just seems to be heavily implied. The society we find is the one the weavers constructed, no? They’re still remembered, the society is still silk-based. You think the entire hierarchy of their society is named for a chorus, with Conductors at the top holding a sacred melody, and their holy soldiers being Choristos, Choir Clappers, etc., because they WEREN’T building all of Pharloom up around the need to perpetuate a gigantic society-sized lullaby? What’s the alternative, that the Conductors themselves made ALL that shit up only after every Weaver left? That… doesn’t make sense. Why would the Conductors, who don’t know dick about silk except via secondhand knowledge, concoct a plot to sing GMS to sleep from whole cloth and then rebrand society around it IMMEDIATELY as the Weavers left and GMS was waking up? There’s no sensible continuity there.
It's baked.
>>722721887>Hornet: You speak of the Citadel? Its former function has failed, but I can still sense its purpose, some. It is church and cage both.Mask Maker: Aye. Devised by your ancestors that monstrosity, and their wicked, clever minds. A system, or a web they'd likely call it, a way to keep their mother sealed in slumber, and themselves free to lavish in their false rule. The citadel has systems like the conductors, valutkeepers, and architects to KEEP GMS SEALED. That's the reason it was created. And I shouldn't have to tell you that conductors (conduct the song), vaultkeepers (who keep melodies), and architects (who keep the machinery running) have to do with song
>>722722162So your whole plot point is based on a naming convention
>>722722263Yeah, basically. And the fact that the entire city is built atop a gigantic organ, and all of the locks are based on musical bells. It’s very deeply ingrained in their entire culture. The game is called SILKSONG for fuck’s sake. The song is like the entire plot. It keeps GMS asleep. The song faltering and weakening is how she awakens.
>>722722382>The game is called SILKSONGOk you know what that convinced me, I just, I can accept a lot of the bullshit in this game like musical gates and whatnot but actually singing to keep someone asleep is too much
Is Wanderer better at parrying since the attack is faster?
So why are some fleas retarded?
>>722723303They're so fluffy that they're basically indestructible. Evolution never had to grace them with intelligence as a survival mechanism.
>>722723182yes, decently often you can just mash through multi-hit attacks>>722723303they're all retarded
