>he still games with a mechanical keyboardISHYGDDT
>>722699854ah yes, the all-too-common keyboard drift. my 10 year old mechanical will get it any day now.
Hall effect or TMR would be objectively superior but the actual motion of pressing the key in would still be mechanicalYou would still need some kind of "switch" to make it feel nice to press, even if the actuation of the key was magnets or light>>722699990(Cherry MX Red) I had to replace all my keycaps because they weren't registering properly, wouldn't happen with magnet-based sensors probably
>>722699854>hall effectWhat's next? Classroom effect? Get fucking real dumbass.
>>722699990Lots of mechanicals get chattering sooner or later
>>722700258Nta but it's usually just because you got some crumbs or a pube lodged into the switch somehow
need a keyboard with holocaust effect
>>722699854>he fell for retard shill boards
>>722699854>41% keyboardNope.
>>722699854Fuck off with your audiophile tier snake oil.
I don't see the point in getting peripherals that last forever (like hall effect keyboard) when getting a new peripheral every now and then is super fun.It'd be like taking a pill that lets you never feel hunger again. Financially it might make sense, but it'd take away some of what makes life good.
>>722699854Where the rest of the keyboard? Why is it circumcised?
>>722700593i deadass dnt like eating
>>722700583>keyboards>snake oilYou can literally measure the pressure and the time it takes for the PCB to react. Now having said that, there's literally no difference between the cheapest hall effect keyboard and the most expensive aside. It's all in the software and perhaps differences in the switches.
>>722700225>make it feel nice to pressjust put in a piece of plastic attached to a spring for each key faggot
>>722699854lmao at Adjective Keyboards just so they can milk you. If you paid more than 15$ for a keyboard youre a retard beyond saving
>>722700593the ultimate goysumer
>>722699854don't even know what those words meanI've been using a $10 slim keyboard for 7 years now
>>722700389>>722700390>>722700479Sorry guys my spambot accidentally triple posted, this is kind of embarrassing.
>>722699854I've never experienced a failing switch in a keyboard, not even chinktier laptop ones.
>hall effect sticks>hall effect keyboardsare there hall effect mouses too?
>>722700758actually there are differences faggot>layout (full, TLK, trannyboard, etc.)>standard layout or modified keys>standard bottom row (important if you want to find replacement keycaps)>build quality>cable quality>other features like polling rate
>>722701073I was exclusively talking about the performance, obviously, but apparently you didn't understand that.
>>722701067Your butthole is so gaped it has a hall effect
>>722701067No. Other than one of those "space mouse" 6 degree things
>>722701067Logitech just released a mouse called Logitech Superstrike 2, which has new switches that are meant to be the hall effect of mice, so yes.
41% keyboard
>>722701067optical switches are the closest equivalent
>>722701389what the flying fuck is this bullshit?
>>72270044565 is the lowest a reasonable person would go. Anything lower should be enough to have you institutionalized for life.
>>722701596>bean bag chairEnjoy your back problems loser. While I sit on my 500 dollar secretlabs chair and still get back problems
>>722701710get an office chair with a mesh seat you dummy
>>722700593Your point would have a floor to stand on if I enjoyed consuming. Saving money is more fun than having to spend it.
>>722701765you're gonna get back problems on any chair because you're not supposed to be sitting for a long time anyway
>>722700593come on, this must be a falseflag to make aquachads look stupid
>>722700593having endgame shit is more satisfying than consuming
>>722701765Someone was giving a few away nearby from an office that shut down and I'm considering it since they're expensive as shit new. I just don't want to scrub Jerry from accounting's ass sweat out of the fabric when I get it.
>had the same mechanical keyboard for ten years>fell from desk several times, thrown against a wall once>still works fineany reason why i should switch?because the new ones might be 0.00001 ms faster? doesn't matter much
>>722699854Do any of these ones have something akin to brown switches or are they all linear gaming shit?
>>722700337I don't think you can afford the (hall of) cost
>>722701925>thrown against a wall onceAnon video games are supposed to make you happy
>>722699854I want a new keyboard /v/.Do I get razer yellow switches or a razer optical keyboard?
>>722700593This picture already makes me so irrationally angry, but combining it with this post is just too much for me
>>722701960How much does the (hall of) cost?>>722702015Razer has gone downhill real bad in the last 10 years. I wouldn't buy anything from them tbqh.
>>722701456finally, my trifecta of hall effect branded merchandise is complete
>>722701938Technically TMR would allow you to use any kind of switches that you want, even mechanical ones, but I don't know if anyone has made a PCB that enables it yet.
>>722699854Bla bla bla, stupid gimmicks.All you really want is a waterproof mechanical keyboard that is super easy to clean.
>>722702015Get something with Hallocaust switches
>>722701634
>>722702118This isn't a fucking joking matter anon
>>722701925saaar pls buy hall effect big gamer good reviews lots of bot post on reddit pls sar
>>722699854The only keyboard worth getting AT ALL is a Logitech K800
>>722701271only due to my hall effect anal plug
Please, no anti semitism.
>>722702118>>722702172Oh yup nvm yeah I get it now. Fuck.
>>722702015Don't buy anything from Razer. It is a scummy company that has declined greatly.
>>722699854Still using my 10 year old flat keyboard
>>722699854Yes, and? I'm not just going to drop everything to get some 41% keyboard because it has meme switches.
the real question is why isnt there a good vertical mouse with high polling rate
I havent been keeping up. Which is the mvp keyboard now. Amazon is having a big sale
>>722702272More like 10 year old ass pee board lmfao broke boy getcho money up
>>722699854I've had a mechanical keyboard (WASD Code Cherry MX Clear) for 12 or 13 years now, and it still works every bit as good as the day I got it.
>>722702358>good vertical mouseTrick question
>>722702365>Which is the mvp keyboard nowThe best overall when it comes to a combination of both hardware and software is still Wooting. Everything else is either lacking in the hardware or the software department. But there's cheaper keyboards that can get you like 80% of the way there, if you don't care about the software being janky.
>>722702365For typing or for gayming?
>>722701938my tmr keyboard is hotswappable but there isn't much of a choice in terms of switches since tmr is still in its infancyi've only seen monsgeek and womier offer tmr boards so far
>>722702480how is that a trick question when im literally saying that there isn't one
>>722702365TMRit's basically high end hall effect but cheaper and more power efficient so it can be wireless
>>722702365I bought a royal klunge or some shit and I'm happy with it
>>722700337Why would you want a keyboard that never happened?
>>722702365>2025>buying [anything] off amazonenjoy your bootleg
why the fuck are 41% keyboards with lgbt lighting so common nowi just want a neat full-sized keyboard with no bullshit bells and whistlesand these are somehow more rare and expensive that's absurd
>>722702663Because it can't be made because they're inherently shit
>>722702358literally keychron m5they stuck pixart paw 3950 in there
>>722702771How so?
>>722701765But does your office chair have Hall effect?
>>722702761you don't need numpad. there is an on/off switch for a reason. just buy a numpad as an accessory
>>722702820Because I don't like them
>>722702687While your post is correct, you are forgetting to mention that there's not any good TMR keyboards actually out yet. They're all early ones that don't take full advantage of TMR.
>>722702761Less marketable because keyboards are either cheapo walmart things that geezers use or l33t gaymer merch.
>>722702879Next time just say you're retarded
>>722700258>>722700313I don't think people realize that it's literally impossible for them to NOT get chattering due to the materials.Topre is a good alternative if you don't want any issues but they're expensive and not many brands make them.
>>722702923No
>>722702841Fuck off. Idiots like you are the reason why TKL has become more popular. Pay more to get less.
>>722702841>pay more for less>then pay even more to get back what you didn't get in the first purchase
>>722702774
>>722702841>you don't need numpadbut i do>there is an on/off switchnumlock alters the function of the numpad keys (which is a useful feature), it's not an on/off switch>just buy a numpad as an accessorywhy should i get a separate device when i can get two in onetakes less desk space too
>>722699990I buy a 20€ logitech one
>>722702948It's almost always because your switches don't offer enough resistance for the way you type or there's a small hair or piece of dust or something that got itself lodged inside the switch. Unless the switch is broken it can almost always be fixed by just cleaning your keyboard
>>722702761you're just a retarded faggot who can't research keyboards beyond reddit and /g/
>>722703204>spoiler
>>722702761Backlit keyboards are great.
>>722703406Shhh. Anon thinks you can only have your backlight set to max brightness epic hax0r rainbow seizure gaming mode. Let him live in his fantasy world. The shock from finding out you can set it to a tasteful static color, turn the brightness down, or turn it off altogether might be too much for him.
>>722702519>$180 something for a 60%Yeah.. I dont care that much>>722702543Both. My mechanical just feels like too much force is needed. Probably will die in a few years.>>722702705Reddit is saying those all break lol>>722702741I use the amazon credit card for 5% back
>>722703614I haven't had any issue with mine. People are more likely to complain when something breaks than make a post when it works, so there's a bias. Redditors are also hamfisted retards.
>>722702761just buy a wooting 2 HE
>>722702998>>722703021>pay more for TKL?
>>722702063>>722702267I'm using a razer mouse because I've had nothing but problems with Logitech. Wanted a keyboard from them for simplicity.
I have an ultra hip and cool gamer keyboard my brother bought me for christmas a few years back, it glows bright blue. I'd never spend whatever he did on it but I do sort of like it.
>>722703697huh theyre that cheap now?i remember paying 140 for my ducky one 2 tkl without rpg
>>722703806Logitech hardware has been good to me but my God their software is shit now.
>>722703614tmr is as advanced as you can getif you want a 60% look up a monsgeek fun60 tmrhttps://www.monsgeek.com/product/monsgeek-fun60-ultra-tmr-magnetic-switch-keyboard/for 75% there's womier sk75 tmrhttps://womierkeyboard.com/products/womier-sk75-tmr-magnetic-keyboard
>>722701257you said software and differences in switchesquit moving the goalpostslayouts matter a fucking lot. having no ISO key sucks
>>722703918My G203 started double clicking. My previous MS2 failed randomly too.I don't want lots of bullshit software to manage peripherals. Would rather use the same software to manage the mouse + kb.
tranny keyboard
>>722699854I still use this keyboard. The stupid as fuck SteelSeries 7G pro.>amazing, slick and shiny ABS plastic>bizarrely huge enter key and tiny backspace key>insanely bright Num/Caps/Scroll Leds>media keys only accessible via a proprietary fn keyBUT>hilariously heavy with a steel backplate>massive wrist rest>CHAD cherry mx Black switches>ps/2 interrupt based pollingkneel. I've had this thing since 2011 and it shows no signs of dying. The only issue is now I can't find modern mobos that have a ps/2 port built in that aren't upwards of 600 dollars
>>722703614Here's a whole spreadsheet someone made on HE keyboards.>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vRZ2fwIFSMtD5NstkBw-ztEqQw5Ku3unTAyN1hgXyS2yIOp4D1J3lncBersDdH4eM2EjCgNLUhc2sti/pubhtml?pli=1The ones that usually get mentioned as being good is stuff like Keychron, Nuphy, Monsgeek, Mchose, etc. and you'd generally want to avoid any of the "GAMER" brands like Steelseries, Logitech, Razer, and so on.
Sometimes I tap the spacebar from the side of it and it comes off the switch because it's secured by only one switch in the middle. Is there a keyboard that fixes this?
what'd a good desk/mouse mat that's nice and thick/cushymy hands get irritated rubbing on my hard desk and ive been lazily using a folded up shirt
>>722704118forgot pic related because >connection error while posting
>>722699854I like them big and heavy with lots of space between each key. If I don't feel like I could club an intruder to death with it its not big or heavy enough.
ill be interested if any of these are less than like 60 bucks and comes in a 96% config because i like having my keypad. i got a gmmk2 a couple years ago and honestly ive had nothing but fucking problems.
>>722703686in my area in costs two times more than on the official sitehardly a good deal when i can get three or four corsair strafes for the same money
>>722703406Maybe if you're a zoomer who never learned how to type. The rest of us never need to look at the keyboard.
>>722704067>quit moving the goalpostsI haven't moved any goalposts. The post I replied to said that hall effect/TMR keyboards are "snake oil". My post then talked about how you can literally measure them being objectively better due to the way they work, thus it's not snake oil.That has nothing to do with any of the shit you mentioned. I have no idea why you'd bring up fucking layouts in a "are certain keyboard mechanics/features snake oil?" conversation. It's not my fault you have trouble understanding things.
Anything other than Topre is objectively terrible.
>>722699854What are all that gibberish? So, Cherry MX is no longer the standard? Has the world gone mad?
>>722700337>need a keyboard with holocaust effectThey claim it's good for 6 million keypresses but in reality will last you less than 200000
>>722704118ps/2 style interrupting is not important these days as usb polling is not 50hz anymore.
>>722704737>cherry mxlmao, 2014 called pops time to move on.
>>722704782my new mouse causes tf2 to stutter if i set it to 8k poll rateusb has mogged ps/2 so hard now that the games literally can't handle it
>>722704737the future is now old man
>>722704737There's a new buzzword in town, gramps. Get it? Functionally the same thing for the end user... except it's new!
>>722702096water proof is not hardit needs to be energy-drink proof
>>722704973Happens to me on other games from around that time too, specifically older Call of Duty games.
>>722699854>they spent $1000 on a custom mechanical keyboard>just to play worse than hall effectLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>722705058>Functionally the same thing for the end user... except it's new!Are you genuinely gonna sit there and attempt to say that a mechanical keyboard with Cherry MX Reds is the exact same as something like a Hall Effect keyboard?
For me, it's some logitech 2 in 1 wireless mouse and keyboard that I got for 30 bucks.
>>722704973>when ur i5 2500k goes to 100% due to usb polling
>>722704210Just buy this desk! It comes with a massive mouse pad!https://www.amazon.com/SEVEN-WARRIOR-GD001-SR-Gaming-Desk_GD001/dp/B08T94W9DB
>>722700758Current gaming snake oil is keyboard tech or mouse weight related - that shit doesn't matter much at all.Meanwhile, almost EVERYONE is getting dicked on Windows audio lag - the actual secret sauce helping some pros out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okIpbu1tp_A
>>722700337Kek
>>722704973>>722704782>>722705096>>722705464USB more like USBLOAT
>>722705816Thanks anon i've been looking for that pic for a while.
>>722705631>Meanwhile, almost EVERYONE is getting dicked on Windows audio lag - the actual secret sauce helping some pros out.No actual pros are gonna use Linux to avoid the Windows audio delay though, because there won't ever be any Linux systems at any tournaments. It would be nice if Windows could unfuck their shit so we could all have minimum delay on audio though.
>>722705876don't fall for the sequential reads
>Been using the same membrane keyboard with a giant wrist rest for like 15 years>Still works fine even if several keys don't seem like they should be working at all>Spacebar stopped being clicky years ago and WASD is visibly lower than the other keysThis Sidewinder X4 has seen some shit and probably has life growing in it.
>>722703406okay, gramps. I dont need to look at my keyboard and in fact I cant because its on a shelf under my desk. do you have extra large typesetting on the keys too for your old eyes?
>>722705631how does an ASIO driver deal with this?
>>722705978>and in fact I cant because its on a shelf under my deskDamn, I haven't seen anyone have a dedicated keyboard tray under their table in like +15 years. You're calling that other guy gramps, but you may be a gramps too.
>>722703697>>722703884tf is TKL
>>722702761I've been using a CM Storm Quickfire XT for like 10 years and I pray it never breaks.Look at this absolute fucking faggotry they're selling now. For MORE than this one cost. The absolute fucking state. WTF even is this shit, a fucking KNOB
>>722705232For the end user yes.
>>722705631how much of that is actually OS related and not hardware?
>>722700593rare anime post W (practicality autists seething in the replies )
>>722706185Ten Key Lessno numpad
>>722706185It's when they circumcise the numpad off the keyboard but have no idea how to count, so they call it TKL aka "ten key less".
>>722700593Personally, I would've posted my Aqua bait post with double-spacing.
>>722706302>For the end user yes.Well, you are factually wrong. There's plenty of very tangible advantages to Hall Effect/TMR over mechanical. Customizable actuation points, Rapid Trigger, SOCD, better durability due to no physical contact, no debounce delay, real analogue input(though not many games utilize it). Just to name a few.
>>722700225I have cherry MX red keys too and I accidentally press random keys all the time. Its pretty stupid considering I could have gone with something like cherry MX blue.
>>722701596>souless>ai image
>>722706406It is almost entirely the OS.
I miss my mechanical keyboards both of those bitches died to beer moisture or some shit
>objectively the best shape>no one uses it and it's expensive as shit
I like my hall effect keyboard. I can have a low sensitivity mode for typing and a high sensitivity one for gaymen with features like SOCD which are nice to have.
>>722699854i have a 15 year old keyboard with the space bar only working when i press the middle because the rest float around
>>722699854>41% keyboards
>>722704146Thanks. Ended up going with a nuphy Halo65 HE since it has good linux support
>>722706794haha for real tho mah nigga, high five bro!
>Buying gaymen productsUltimate retard behavior.You get nickel-and-dimed for china shit with useless "features" to make idiots think they cant properly play without them. Even worse with compfags.
i've soaked my HP PS/2 keyboard in vodka several times and it still works
>>722706406grim
>>722706620Ah, things nobody actually cares about except some weird twitter transexuals with more light pollution in their rooms than the entire city of vegas, and weird tech autists that pretend these are big things that matter because they are in a weird tech echo chamber. Those two things obviously overlap.Meanwhile in reality, any half-sane person wouldn't even acknowledge most or any of these things existed. That is unless the keyboard came with abhorrent dogshit default settings and they desperately fiddled with the software to fix it instead of immediately filing for a return.
>>722707563Bro it's less than a hundo to get one who cares thats a few hours of work
>>722707665reply to the wrong post?
>>722701882Just spray some febreeze on it and leak your own ass sweat into the fabric to make the chair truly yours.
>>722707563>appeal to normalfaggot nihilismgo play candy crush
>>722707808Normalfaggots run the world. That's why every keyboard on the market is cheap as fuck or an RGB gaymer board with pricing ranging from (ali express) to (second-hand graphics card) and they play the shittier AAA games conceivable.
>>722707563What the fuck are you talking about? You seem like a genuine schizo. Why wouldn't anyone care about something as simple as customizable actuation points? That was literally the whole point of mechanical keyboards with their different switches, you absolute moron.
>>722707405damn thats awful. post specs
anyone ever use something like this?are they worth? i like the idea of having a joystick while also having keys
>>722708032Because the average person and most of the internet doesn't know what the fuck an actuation point is.
>>722707959and that doesn't matterminmaxing a keyboard with gamer features isn't even that expensivei could get the best keyboard in the world for $120 and that'll last yearsonly normies seek to save money on shit they daily drive while wasting it on fast food and other worthless consoomer shit
>>722707563>>722707665You can even get a Monsgeek Fun60 Max for $37 these days - https://www.monsgeek.com/product/fun60-pro-max/
>15 years later>still working just fine
>>722707563Kek you got them.
>>722700593>It'd be like taking a pill that lets you never feel hunger again. Financially it might make sense, but it'd take away some of what makes life good.i'd love a pill like that if it just made me full for one meal, i hate cooking and i'd love to skip it
>>722708336>Because the average person and most of the internet doesn't know what the fuck an actuation point is.You think it takes a genius to understand "X is the point where your keypress will be registered"? Normies easily understood different switches actuation points on mechanical keyboards.
>>722708434I smash one of these annually and force my IT team to send me another.
>>722708258>joystickthat looks like a dpad with a stick on top
>>722708478No they don't. They just know the colour of the switches (maybe) that feel the best for them or that they got used to after using it for a while.
>>722700593The primary benefit of hall effect isn't "it last foreverrrrrr", because that's functionally true of any keyboard with hotswap switches.The advantages are that you can have controllable activation depth which can be super low, and a smoother keypress because there's no resistance from the switch.There's a few other situations where analogue inputs can have some value too but they're niche, like the hair trigger effect to make doubletapping easier, or the directional overrides to make swapping strafe directions more accurate.
>>722701596>AI sloppa imageKill yourself, unironically.
>>722707563Seeking out better gear for your hobby, purely FOR the process of finding the best way to engage with it is literally the most normal thing you can fucking do.Genuinely, if you are over the age of 25, have a white collar job and don't have SOME hobby that you do this for, you are autistic.
>>722704781Lol
>>722699854ummm actually i have some $30 hyperx membrane keyboard. it's pretty good
>kike keyboardsdisgusting
>>722700905He's been struck by goysumption
>>722708863I play games. You find ways to do anything but play games while pretending you do.
>>722707405Hm, whatever cachyos does to decrease overall system latency is having an effect here.
>>722708465They tried that and it created an entire generation of seethe and obsession with s o y
>>722709016Then it's not a hobby, it's a distraction.
>>722709053the secret ingredient is not having WDM
>>722709059I feel bad for those dudes. Guy who owned it sold out so the dream died for the cheapest most nutrition form of food possible
>>722709053the fucki was planning to switch regardless but god damn
>>722709053this test is nonsense and measures your variable reaction time and your input device's delay more than audio delayif you want to know your actual real audio delay, go into a game where you can press mouse1 and a gun will instantly make a noise. then, take your headphones off, and put them next your mouse with the volume maxxed. put your mic next to the mouse and headphones. click while recording the game footage and the output from the mic.now go into Audacity and measure the difference between the recorded-from-mic noise of your finger clicking the mouse, vs the noise of the gunshot through the headphones into the micnow you have your real audio delay
>>722709053>>722707405>>722706406Bros...
>>722709016>I play gamesCan you list your specs and your peripherals that you use?
>>722705631>Current gaming snake oil is keyboard tech or mouse weight related
>>722706680This but only happens with the space bar for me
>>722709274where are you guys testing this?
>>722699854what's the difference?
>>722709272Except then you're including any delay on your microphone
>>722709402no, the exact same mic delay applies to both the sound of the mouse switch being pressed, and the sound coming through the headphones.
>>722709373I googled audio latency test and found what they were usingIt's bullshit though pretty obviously, relying far more on your timing than anything
>>722709470Oh, i thought you meant lining up the gunshot and audio from the videoThat makes more sense, I guess
>>722709272it has nothing to do with reaction time, only your ability to keep a rhythm
>>722699854>I'm two meme generations behindNot like this!
>>722705096i've tested it and i get 940 fps on tr_newbotswhile moving the mouse around at 2k poll rate it dips to 900at 4k it's down to 700at 8k it's unplayable stuttersguess 2k and lower is the sweet spot
>>722699854I recently got an HE board from Keychron since the pricing on the tech has come down enough for my liking, and it's probably my favorite board to type on; its only competition for me is my Model F, but the HE wins handily in the noise department, and massively in the gaming department. I've never liked conventional linear switches because they always feel mushy and/or scratchy to me (sometimes to the point of feeling more like subtle tactiles), but those issues don't exist here. I put in some MTNU keycaps though, I don't like the stock Keychron caps for typing.
>>722709272>>722710043the test does work, but you have to lower the BPM to something not so predictable. Try 30 BPM and you can get a more accurate result.
>>722710256I picked up the nuphy field he and have really been enjoying it. The extra programmable keys are perfect and the overall feel is top tier. The aesthetic is certainly an acquired taste but it's grown on me
>>722710474Lmfaooo This nigga got the 1999 walmart cashier special y'all
>>722699854why are those keyboards circumcised?
>>722710531>pooryikes
My 10$ Amazonbasics keyboard is fine.
>>722710474>>722710531I kinda like it. It reminds me of the Asiimov skins in CS.
>>722710602do you not get tired from repeatedly spamming this bait?
>>722710256hello my keychron brother
>>722710531>Lmfaooo This nigga got the 1999 walmart cashier special y'allthe top right key does look like the walmart logo but walmart's logo is 6 points not 4guess what else has 6 points
>>722699854Because micro controllers need more options to take advantage of its technology>>722705631>>722707357Good morning team fortress
>>722710256I wish full sized HE keyboards weren't so rare and expensive.I would grab one for ~125€ right now.I don't need gay lights or wireless.
>>722710618>gaming on 30 year old office surplus>calling others poorShiggy
>>722710774don't act like you know me, first time I've posted this joke on /v/
>>722701545>here's your controller,bro
>>722699854Is there actually a big benefit to using these keyboards for games?
>>722711006it's also not even on the keyboard by default and is an optional keycap included along with a few others. buddy is just going into a lil autistic spiral >>722711336
>>722711734latency wise, yesnot only do they process keypresses and send signals faster, you can also set the actuation to happen higher up so the button counts as pressed earlier
>>722711779>buddy is just going into a lil autistic spiralWhere? I'm not spiraling I'm making fun of you. Did you take your medication today?
>>722711734Big? No.Is there a benefit? Yes.
I finally broke my favorite keyboard after like 15 years. it was just some shitty rubber dome keyboard from best buy but I liked the way it felt to type on. what ricer keyboard is the closest in feeling? new cheap office keyboards don't feel the same.
>>722712146Pretty sure the new cheap office keyboards are pretty much the only ones that still make em like that
>>722709316My keyboard is a Logitech G610 and I have no urge to replace it for any reason. But I know the G600 mouse that I bought at the same time during a black friday sale is going to need to be replaced when the double clicking reaper comes for it one day. A shame because I love everything about it but there isn't really a direct replacement in the market that isn't a Chinesium Red Dragon that doesn't have a 3rd top button, or thinly veiled brittle chinesium Razor naga that also doesn't have a 3rd top button.My pc is aging but since I don't really play that many super modern games anymore I'm willing to put up with DLSS (not like this is much of a choice anymore these days) I don't really feel like upgrading it further. It's basically a Computer of Thesius anyways The only original parts are the boot drive and motherboard.
>>722711734Depending on the switches you have there's like a half a ms difference in the time it takes for inputs. Smaller keyboards leave more room for your mousepad for certain games. For the most part though, no. Most people won't really notice a difference and it's more impactful to just use something you're comfortable with.>inb4 people sperging about muh balls effect etc
>>722712475all of the new ones I've tried feel squishy like the shitty keyboards that laptops have.
>>722712802Pretty much
>65% or less keyboardsNo thanks. I'm not a tranny.
>>722701925If it works, it works. I bought a new keyboard with my new PC but mostly so I can just use the old one with my work laptop while still being able to post on /v/.
Finally got my first mechanical keyboard after using some logitech office one for 15 years. It's good but I feel like they're overhyped. Should I bother trying different switches or is that a keyboard autist meme?
>>722699854No numpad, no buy.
>>722712941so no one makes the ones with the little white rubber things any more?
>>722712984You don't need a numpad, F keys and arrow keys, unc. Get with the times
>>722713272You mean membrane keyboards right? They're still out there but ime feel cheap like you've described. I'm sure somebody still makes something decent though if you do some digging.
>>722711734>Is there actually a big benefit to using these keyboards for games?Depends on the games you play and your skill level. If you are like a top 5% player, then the benefit is definitely there. Both in terms of setting your own custom actuation point per key, and things like Rapid Trigger and SOCD. For example if you play a MOBA and you need to spam abilities, you can make a Hall Effect keyboard repeat the keypress with very minimal movement of your finger through a combination of low/high actuation point + Rapid Trigger to determine where you want the reset to be, meanwhile a mechanical key would have to always move up and down past the static actuation point determined by the manufacturer, every single time. You can also make it so that while you a key pressed down and you use another key, the latter one will take priority, so spamming multiple things repeatedly will also be better on a HE keyboard.And lastly, because the keys don't have a physical point that they need to touch, the keypresses will always feel 100% linear, meaning that if you combine everything you have keys that are super easy to press without any mechanical "feeling" to them, and you can completely customize how your keys act.
I get not wanting numpadsBut how the fuck do you live without F keys?
>>722713418I think membrane is different? the one I have looks like this. I broke the space bar trying to pry it off so I could clean some of the filth from under it.
>>722713853They just use the FN key, so instead of Alt+F4, it would be FN+4.
>>722711734 theirs some mods that let you do the walk run cycles that controllers have since you have control of actualization points
>>722713903Nah that's a membrane keyboard I believe. Gives you a place to start lookin at least.
>>722699854We don't play games on /v/. We make excuses for why we don't.
>>722699854>mfw 15yo chink shit mech board>was $35 back then>still better than any modern keyboardid like to personally thank the /g/ay lord who suggested i buy this chink shit way back then. i hope you graduated for wizard to arch mage.
>>722713903there's a whole membrane underneath that first layer of plastic
>>722714205>We don't play games on /v/I do I just need to get the right keyboard now and I can finally play games again I just can't right now because of keyboards are shit right now.
>>722700445I prefer having a 13% keyboard in addition to a 52% one. It makes playing NBA2K easier.
I'm finally ditching windows. is this still the only keyboard that doesn't have a wangblows key or some equivalent in the same place?
return to the 90s ibm keyboards that were actually mechanical and not this modern garbage
>>722714220You can pull the membrane off.
>>722706685>>722708601Which is made on PC
>>722714368They still make mechanical keyboards. Most people are back on mechanical keyboards now actually.
>>722714368Why would you want to go back to an inferior technology? Hall effect and TMR is superior because there's never any actual physical contact.
>>722701772Well, what do you do with your saved money?
>>722714659Meth
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>>722702761Pffft, that's not a problem at all, you can still find them everywhere. You know what's really impossible to buy nowadays?
>>722700593>jeet from /v/your indian
>>722706680Blues are way too loud for gaming though, something like brown is way better since each keystroke provides enough resistance to prevent mistakes but is still nearly effortless. Pic related, brown dog.
>>722699854keyboard fags are almost as bad as audiophiles
>>722700593of course aquajeet typed this
>>722700243IN THE HALL
>>722699854kek I remember when /v/ was trying to grift with mechanical keyboards a decade ago. Now they're already trying to move onto the new fad. I bet soon you'll have Anons claiming TMR keyboards let you type faster and feel better or something kekStill using my shitty dell membrane keyboard from 2011 btw.
>>722716282>spending $200 at most on something that you use daily and will last you for years means you're deranged
>>722716017Blues fucking suck all around. At first they're like "Hell yeah. Clickity clack" and then after about a week you're just sick of it.
I will NOT pay 100+ USD for a keyboard. I could buy a game (or two, if used) for that much. Closest I'll come to buying a gaming accessory for more than the price of a game is an arcade stick. It's Hori or nothing.
>>722716930You can get hall effect keyboards for like 50 bucks.
>>722716930>buying games
>>722699854I still have and use some cheapo membrane keyboard that came with my mom's shitty refurb Dell Optiplex 20 years ago.
>>722716930>a game>if used>in the context of a pc peripheralif you spent the console money on better desktop hardware you wouldn't feel the need to cheap out on something you use so much
>>722700337
>>722699854>no numpadall garbage
>>722718631occam's razor dictates that everyone desperately needing a numpad is not in fact an accountant but instead a poorfag that has only owned a $10 memebrane and lacks the introspection to notice how rarely he uses it
>>722699854I've done all my gaming on picrel, what am I missing out on?
>>722716550The problem with Cherry Blues/Greens and their clones is that they use a plastic click jacket, sounding high-pitched and rattly. Clicky ALPS switches sounded great, as do Kailh Box Jade/Navy switches, because they use a metal mechanism for clicks. Zeal Clickiez sound good too but they're over a goddamn dollar PER SWITCH, fuck that noise.
>>722718940membrane is all you need, everything else is a marketing ploy to sell you shit
>>722718940NKRO, remapping, macros
>>722718940Unless you're literally a professional twitch shooter gamer (CSGO, Valorant, etc.) nothing.
>>722719132try gateron melodics, feels like popping bubble wrap and has a very short, snappy click
>>722716536>he thinks audiofags only spend 200 dollars>he thinks mech faggots only spend 200 dollarsLOL
>>722720993I've heard okay things about them. The ones that have my interest right now are the Gateron Lanes though, they're apparently similar to ALPS Orange/Salmon switches (which I love). Problem is, they're sold out currently, and I've heard there's consistency issues with them in terms of sound and tactility
>>722700593jewish hands and nose typed this
>>722699854tranny keyboards
>>722719132For me, it's Kailh Box Pinks that I got 3 years ago
>>722722175This keyboard is fucking $3600. Despite>no numpad>no remapping>a plastic case>standard Topre style EC switches (they're normally overpriced but not nearly by this much)Also the cunt holds an exclusive patent on the rattle-free stabilizers he made for these boards.
>>722717405>you wouldn't feel the need to cheap out on something you use so muchI collect physical games. They stopped making those for PC in like 2010.
>>722722864in fairness he R&D'd the stabilizer design completely from scratch and even in that overview of the whole tech he made with adam savage he is FULLY aware that it's an over-engineered solution to a problem that's like 90% already solved by normal MX stabilizers
>>722722864A fool and his money are soon parted
>>722722175https://youtu.be/U55zz4RhFks?si=NNijYb2mfA1W06TsBeware sis
>>722722995Still, the board is outrageously overpriced for what you get, especially since (again) you can't remap keys. I think that's a necessary feature to have if you're going to sell a TKL board over $80ish or so. that said, seeing that Adam Savage video is the only reason I sprung for MTNU keycaps on my board. It really is a nice profile.
>paying $300 for a keyboard that uses the same switches as a $20 chinese keyboardjust cut your penis off already
keyboard people are more insufferable than audiophiles.
>none of the keyboards are ergonomic>none of the keyboards even have a numpadwhy would you pay more than like $10 for any of them? They're all flat, shitty office keyboards.
>>722723509Why pay more than $10 for a chair? Just use a white plastic lawn chair.
>>722722175https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfWwCfN8TO0
>>722722864wtf is a rattle-free stabilizer for a keyboard?
>>722722864i could get a keyboard CNC'd to swiss tolerances for less than $3600what the actual fuck are people buying $3600 chinese plastic for. you shouldn't need any "stabilizers" at that price point, the manufacturing should eliminate any tolerances that allow for rattle
are low profile keyboards better for gaming?
>>722700593
Real gamers dont need more than a $10 logitech that you replace every 2 years.
>>722705464it's the game engine in this instance
>>722716282All this just to get tinnitus anyways
>>722711734one of the features of these keyboards, SOCD, is so powerful in cs2 that the game devs added a detection mechanism to kick you for using it
>>722704973Why is the 8k polling rate meme becoming so prevalent?You have to move your mouse fast enough that the 8k polling rate matters and it uses a not-insignificant amount of additional CPU time to poll that often2k polling rate and even 4k, I get it. 4k polling rate is still pushing into meme territory though imo
>>722724550Exactly what it sounds like, genius
>>722725243I use my keyboard on a stable desk, why would need "rattle-free stabilization"?
>>722725378Yeah. You're out of your depth here. Shut up.
>>722725143>one of the features of these keyboards, SOCD, is so powerful in cs2 that the game devs added a detection mechanism to kick you for using itdoes it not just make you stand still like in 1.6 if you press 2 directions at the same time
>>722702761so you can buy the numpad separately
>>722702841yeah fuck this post. I've actually ran into a few games in my backlog that utilize numpad. Hella annoying having this midget keyboard.
I've been using my G105 for 10+ years with no problems
Got the Vanguard 96 Pro from Corsair last week, and I'm honestly impressed with how convenient being able to customize the actuation point is per "profile".I can have a lower 3mm actuation point for better typing and a higher 1.5mm actuation point for gaming on the same keyboard without swapping any switches.
>>722699854I like laptop-style membrane keys, okay?
>>722699854I don't give two fucking diddly dicks of a shit This isn't like the quality jump from LCD to OLED, you're literally just transexual or a fucking hipster loser if you actually give a shit about splitting hairs with keyboardsas long as you aren't on a gay ass laptop using some horrid membrance creature to type your shitposts on and you have a full keyboard with numpad then it literally doesn't matter
For me, it's 65% keyboards with a 4-key vertical nav cluster
>>722724740They can have marginally faster response times
>>722702761evga z15/z20 with silver switchesyou are welcome
>buyed a mech 50% board>uses macros because not enough keysdefine that behaviour
>>722727565Anything more cut down than TKL is an abomination, and when you start cutting F-row keys you've reached a point of mental illness. And if you've also cut arrow keys, you need to stop using a computer and just go back to consoles/phones only. HHKBs are a major source of this mindrot, I'm convinced. They're retardedly overpriced for their middling build quality and lack of keys, and they're based on the original 1984 Macintosh keyboard. Which was passable for ancient OSes of that era, but even then Apple introduced a numpad and then a combined board shortly after. There's a reason the Model M layout won the day and is STILL the base keyboard layout even exactly 40 years on. Fuck, even Apple started outright copying it just a couple years later.
>>722701925>any reason why i should switch?think about underpaid chinese worker
>>722708434>friends all buy keyboards for $100 or more that light up and have mini displays and other shit>they all break within a few months>buy one of these badboys for $10 while picking up a printer>its been 5 years now and its yet to fail at allIt is truly the king
>>722729925We get it you think being poor is a personality trait
>>722725209>Why is the 8k polling rate meme becoming so prevalent?It's because 1000, 2000, 4000Hz... are not as fast as they sound. Let's say you have a 360Hz monitor and you're actually getting 360fps. If you are only polling at 2000Hz then 2000/360 = 5.5polls per frame. Sounds plenty, right? Well.. not exactly.The problem is WHEN your game checks the polling buffer. Top of frame, bottom of frame, repeated mid-frame? It can cause measurable jitter on the input. We can't fix the fundamental timing mismatch, but what we can do is just keep cranking the polling rate up until the jitter is so small it will get lost in the noise.Now, is that going to mean the difference between a win and a loss on CS2? Maybe... like one kill in 1000... but hell, people are chasing smaller advantages than that with real money.
>>722725479>does it not just make you stand still like in 1.6 if you press 2 directions at the same timeThat's the trick, as far as the game knows you aren't pressing two at the same time. The keyboard is pretending you aren't and then rapidly switching which key it reports to the OS. Before hardware support people were using software hacks that were banned, but now it's being done in hardware it takes the server to look at the input and guess if it looks inhuman or not.
>>722728413The point of 60% boards is to keep you in productive in homerow. I don't care for HHKB's default fn layer but split space with arrows on hjkl is pretty nice for any 60%. Even without split space the experience is still okay, just not as good, because you can bind space to fn on hold, space on press. Obviously that's not good for games, but it's great for programming.Everything to do with split backspace is also good. Control on capslock, Escape on tilde, backslash and tidle where backspace used to be and backspace where backslash used to be, all good changes I want even on bigger boards.
>>722699854I legitimately have no clue what the "hall effect" is.
>>722729925>numpad on the right instead of leftyeah, no
>>722731787>needing multiple keystrokes for basic shit on regular keyboards is "more productive"
Been using this for at least 5+ years, not really feel like I'm missing out on anything
>>722732023holding space and pressing a key in homerow is significantly faster than taking your hand all the way out to the arrows or nav cluster to do the same thing. you don't even realize just how much having to move your hand that far to do something takes you out of the flow of whatever you're doing versus being able to just instantly do itgo try it for a week, remap arrows and nav to space+homerow keys for a week on your shitty TKL or whatever the fuck you're using
I bought pic related last month and it's fantastic.
>>722732334Oh my god it really is for speedtrannies.>remap arrows and nav to space+homerow keys for a week on your shitty TKL or whatever the fuck you're usingNigger why would I do that when I have perfectly good arrow keys?
>>722732569It's to try it, experience it and form your own opinion after having tried something outside your comfort zone.
>>722732569>why would I ever stop doing the objectively less convenient more time consuming thingI don't know. Because you're a faggot?
>>722732710>presses one key to delete a characterAAAAAAAAAAA HELP ME HAPPY HACKING MAN THIS IS TOO MUCH WORK
>>722728413This. The HHKB was designed because the mentally ill man who made it was upset that keyboards kept having more keys he didn't use on them, and he wanted to return to a pure typing board. But hey, I'm glad it exists. Because that made the chinks copy it wholesale but with sensible layouts, and now I have a Niz board that gives all the fun of topre with none of the dogshit layout issues.>>722732656Let's say you have a program where you have to enter ctrl+up or down to do something. For you, this is now a 2 handed operation. Layers are for retards who buy keyboards that are too small to have enough keys.
>>722732837To be fair, Topre themselves also make their own brand of Topre switch boards (RealForce) that are actual adult-sized boards, and not desk toys for minimalism faggots. And here's the kicker - wired RF boards are about half the price of HHKB boards.
>>722732837>Let's say you have a program where you have to enter ctrl+up or down to do somethingas I said, the point of a 60% is to stay productive in home row. That means you're using 2 hands all the time anyway because that's just how you're supposed to be using a keyboard in the first place. With control on capslock, control + space + j/k is very comfortable and fast.
>>722730095>NOOO!!!!!!! YOU MUST SPEND MONEY!!!!!!!!
>>722733146You better sleep on a cot or on the floor, anon.
>>722730095lol you have a brown people mindset
>>722699854I don't though, I have the full size keychron he keyboard.
>>722733045So you're saying there is never any possible chance that your workflow could involve a mouse? Good to see we've got a real vim purist here, why do you even need arrow keys?>>722733014RF boards don't have great layouts either, unless you're into 100%. Even then, you're only getting 7 modifiers on the lowest row. My 75% board offers 8.
>>722733238>brown is when not using $10 Logitech keyboards
Ive had this Nuphy for 2 months, my 8 year old Vortex race gulped its last coffee so I just wanted something quirky and didnt think about it much. It was 100 bucks i think, the travel on the keys is not deep enough for me, their brown switches are a bit more linear than MX Cherries, which I dont like. overall its like a 6.5/10 and the volume knob kinda sucks, its slippery plastic. ill probably get a full sized one later
>>722733294>RF boards don't have great layouts eitherSure they do. You're just confused by the presence of keys.
>>722733294>So you're saying there is never any possible chance that your workflow could involve a mouse?I try to avoid it as much as possible. Shortcuts make everything faster and easier in general. I wish more keyboards had thinkpad nipple kino.>why do you even need arrow keys?Arrow keys are unavoidable, they're used everywhere for everything. You know that though.
>>722733440bro that knob and color pallet makes it look like a fisher price toy
>>722729925>Small Enter key>ChadLmao
>>722733583it basically is. it is very heavy and solid in build quality though
>>722733527>You're just confused by the presence of keys.I've been using 75% for well over a decade at this point, I don't miss the numpad and I vastly prefer having the arrow and nav keys cluster into the main layout, better ergo.I couldn't use a 100% RF. 8 mod is the minimum for me now, I've got half of them remapped to useful functions. I could maybe live with a 4 3 split, but every 7 mod board I've ever seen is 3 4.
>>722733705you know what? i'd still take that ugly ass knob over the air75 having a dedicated cortana button and no good way to remap itnuphy is a dumbfuck company
Hall effect or TMR would be objectively superior but the actual motion of pressing the key in would still be mechanicalYou would still need some kind of "switch" to make it feel nice to press, even if the actuation of the key was magnets or light>>722699990 #(Cherry MX Red) I had to replace all my keycaps because they weren't registering properly, wouldn't happen with magnet-based sensors probably
>>722699854gonna get a lemokey L5 HE around new years as a excuse to buy something for myself. or i will just get the k10 for half the price (since i cant live without a numpad)
>>722704973you dont even need 8k polling rate, just set it to 4k cause your cpu is garbage. i use 8k and i have zero issues in gold/source engine games with it.
>>722732287ive bought a corsair k70 with mx browns 10 years ago and it still works, even though i spilled some tea over it onceif i had to buy a new one now id make sure i could completely disassemble it though, cleaning this keyboard is basically impossible bec you cant disconnect the keys from the metal plate theyre housed in or the pcb from the case bec the cables are so short
>buy pic related>going to use it until it breaks beyond repair (gonna be decades)>x% trannies seething because I didn't cut off my numpad>consoomers seething because I won't consoom>poors seething in the slums of Mumbai because it's $300
>>722734047Actually I don't think I ever needed to clean my keyboard, at most I just turn it around and shake a bit and will get some cut fingernail out or something like a bit of clunked up gunk, never really had a jammed key on this one, the worst thing is the small arrows if I want to play a game that needs them
>>722716535>a decade ago>already trying to move onIt's been a decade, nigga. People who actually like their hobbies and have disposable income also like new shit that lets engage them with it better or in a different way.
>>722734150>consoomers seething because I won't consoomyou already did consoom, you bought a giant aluminum keyboard. and it's a boring keychron to boot. you could have at least gotten a real custom board for that price
>>722734150>x% trannies seething because I didn't cut off my numpad>consoomers seething because I won't consoom>poors seething in the slums of Mumbai because it's $300I know you're on a board full of seething schizos but I think you still greatly overestimate how much anybody cares what you do with your life.
>>722734150It looks like fucking shit, but if it makes you happy, go nuts. I can't stand spherical keycaps, but at least the heights are OEM.
>>722734174>Actually I don't think I ever needed to clean my keyboardreally? with all the dust or hair that gets in between the keys? im very clean when it comes to my desk and it still is a problem after a while
>>722734467I have an old shitty computer desk that has a dedicated keyboard sliding space under the table so there's pretty much no dust on it
It just werks.
>>722699854How are these optimized for spreadsheet use? (I game on a controller you see)
>>722705631Because of the speed of light vs the speed of sound it makes sense for there to be a ~20 ms delay for audio.
>>722734364Kill yourself tranny. You leftist fucks want to destroy everything good in life. You care about what people like me do because you know we are the majority, that we control society and the minute we want you faggot fucks gone it's over for your worthless ideology.
Am I the only one who still prefers having a numpad?
My 8 years old Logitech G910 is starting to miss some key presses. I need to fix it somehow because don't want to waste money on a new one.
>>722735170I do only because I use that specific Del key alot.
>>722735170A sign of PC game rot that there are no longer many games where a numpad is useful.
>>722714659Save more ofc.
>>722734150>that knob thingeww!
Really shocking that the default keyboard hasn't devolved into a touch screen one yet. I'm sure Apple would love to shove that down our throats so they can shave few mm of thickness on their laptops.
>>722704781Indeed, those numbers are probably inflated, if not a complete hoax
what does it say about me that i use brown switches?
>>722734998Honestly can't tell if you're joking or if you actually were just the seething schizo all along.
>>722735405Because the idea is fucking stupid and cumbersome to use.
>>722735556Seems useless if you type fast. I have them installed only on my caps lock and numlock key
>>722735405Because the whole apple staff and stores would have to use that shit
>still gaming on my 12€ Logitech office keyboardGaming keyboards are such a marketing scam lmao imagine falling for this.Konsumopfer.
>>722735473I learn to write with a typewriter, I need that force and feedback. Blue switches are for crazy people though.
>>722699854Where is scissor switch?
>>722735170blender is the only thing left I sometimes miss having a numpad for, but I have a logitech g600 for that
>>722699854Where's the numpad? Are those some troll keyboards?
>>722735771>wasting time moving your hand to the numpadjust use the numbers above the keys useless eater.
>>722699854what's with trannies and numpad-less keyboard? is it an allegory of them chopping their dick off?
>>722735794retard who has never done a single calculation in its life
>>722735186Gleeby deeby glorp shit type keyboard
>>722735405This. Humans were not meant to touch type we need to even the playing field
>>722735794But my keyboards have had those since forever. That's like the meme of moving F-keys behind fn-keys. Like yeah if you are on laptop then yeah but no need to remove basic stuff and insist it's the standard because you own a "gaming laptop". At least my Linux friend has numpad on her keyboard but everyone else seems to be moving away from them. Maybe it's because of smartphone+laptops and zoomers never using proper calculators.
>>722735771God I love Rosa
>>722699854mechanical keyboards are a scam for low IQs.if you want low actuation distance and easy to bottom out keypresses, get a laptop keyboard. you'll never mash shit out as fast as you can on that
>>722725824i wanted to clean it after posting this and it no longer works so i hope op kills himself
I write for a living. Used to use mechanic but eventually I switched to pic related for the softer keystrokes plus less noise when working at night. Would a hall effect keyboard actually be good for something I'd use both for work and gaming? Or are the presses still too hard and noisy like with a mechanical one?
>>722736263>if you want low actuation distance and easy to bottom out keypressesI don't want that. I want something that will last for a very long time and actually feel good to use. Laptop chiclet keyboards meet neither of those requirements.
>>722736225
>>722735186I miss proper keyboards like that, and all those programmable keys too, all the new keyboards are some gay downsized shit made for babyhands and often without even numpad let alone additional keys.
>>722699854I'm not touching a truncated keyboard of any kind.
>>722736356>I write for a living.How much do you use AI
>>722699854Can't imagine falling for keyboard grifts. My k120's been working just fine for fifteen years.
>>722710270think harder
>>722736963>cucked small enter
>he doesn't have a crying emoji buttonngmi
>>722736842Zero. It's completely useless
>>722736963I'm sure Tolkied would rather use a hands assembled one rather than the most mass produced industrial one.
>>722737289based, AI should be used for ERP, making sloppa porn and memes
still the best keyboard
>>722699854I'm still not buying a 41% keyboard.
>>722737384>Walks in You were saying?
>>722737745I would put this in my space ship.
>>722737805it literally has ctrl+c ctrl+v as keys on the side
nonsense....
>>722737745what does PPPP button do
>>722737861where's the rest of the keyboard
>>722737384chunky keyboards are goat
>>722737956I ated it
>>722737861>no F keystrannny keyboard
>uh yes, i'm such a conneisseur, I use quantum entangled brown switches with quasi-hall effect, custom hand made keycaps and layoutit's a fucking keyboard man
>>722738392MHHH BUT THE SWITCHS SO CREAMYIM CREEEEAMIIING
Big dick energy
Id like to try out mechanical just to get the satisfying tapping noises but I'm not sure if they will start annoying me instead, especially at night.
>Not using 10$ mouse and keyboard comboNGMI!
>>722738619>wireless shitim not a cuck
>>722738652My wireless logitech lives for so long I sometimes forget it even needs batteries, like easily 2-3 years of daily use without having to change them
>>722738708i just find the idea of using wireless stuff disgusting 2bdesu
>>722708434>>722729925does this shit let you press more than three or four things at once? I looked for an old cheap membrane keyboard but couldn't find any that could.
>>722738730I had a wireless mouse before and it was a bit annoying because the batteries died a bit too often but wireless keyboard was nice, especially because I used it with a dying laptop before building my pc(I literally had to disable my laptops keyboard in device management because that shit was jammed and kept fucking up my system launch)
>>722738765three is possible in pretty much every keyboard no? ctrl alt del has been a basic command for decades
>>722738619>half size function row>euro keystell us you're transitioning without telling us
>>722738826that's a good point, and that'd include multiple other windows commands these days. I only ask because if I find myself playing Arma or doing something with radar in War Thunder, I believe not being able to break dance with my hand on keybinds might be a deal breaker.
>>722738896lol I just grabbed the first pic from googling 10 dollars keyboard and mouse combo, I didn't look at it too much kek
>>722738372There's a literal Fn key you can use with the number row to get your F(unction) 1 - 12
https://www.realforce.co.jp/en/features/I got this 12 years ago and it works perfectly still, even after a little abuse
>>722699854>keyboardddddddd ddddddddddrift
>>722739275>pressing 2 buttons to replace the function of just 1 buttontranny logic
>>722732023The only keys you'll use with any semblance of regularity that are missing from the 60% are the arrow keys and those are better set to caps + wasdYou don't spam the F keys, you don't use numbers often enough for a numpad, you don't use the navigation keysThose three put together consist of fewer than 1% of your inputs
>buy Keychron C2, red switches>like it>buy Keychron C2 pro, red switches>feels and sounds better but it's too sensitive, typos increase>realize I bought the hard wired version
>>722699854i feel like hall effect will have issues later down the linethe magnets sounds less permanent and the field have variabilityoptical looks good enough
>he doesn't use a split keyboard
>>722739697fewer moving parts and hotswappable switches means the only thing that can permanently and irreplaceably damage your keyboard is frying and shorting the pcb directly with liquid
>>722740071>more expensive than regular boards without any ergonomic benefitjust go all the way and get a dactyl
>>722739465>You don't need thoseUntil you use it for anything other than gaming and now your software's qwerty-based shortcuts are unusable because you hid a key combination behind two different function layers.
>>722740071Where do you put your mouse?
>>722699854i looked into HE kb's and im not nearly skilled enough in the games that i play for it to matterthose are for people who get paid to win in gaming not people who like to have fun at home with their buddies.ill stick to my nice keychron
>>722740282who the fuck is making built in absurd macros that chains f keys, nav keys, arrows and numpad in any combinationbesides you could just make a specific profile that you switch to for that software that reduces those combos to a single keypress
>>722740101i mean magnet blocks will have their magnetism degrade over time
>>722739465>You don't spam the F keys, you don't use numbers often enough for a numpad, you don't use the navigation keysi dostop playing shitty AAA console slop and play actual games
>>722740638what fucking game requires you to memorise 50+ buttons that you can't rebind
>>722739697hall effect sensors are used in safety-critical hardware all the time, so they must be reliable
>>722740556>absurd macros that chains f keys, nav keys, arrows and numpad in any combinationYou don't need to chain them for it to become an inconvenience. Any software that lets you navigate with the arrow keys becomes a hassle to use if they bind ANY shortcuts to wasd. CTRL+S is a common shortcut and you've made it 3x as annoying to press.>Just make a profile for any new software you wanna useBesides this being insanity, multitasking goes out the window.
>>722739697Modern neodymium magnets lose less than 10% of their strength every 100 years.
>>722741419what???you can go from using arrow keys to pressing ctrl's by just moving a pinky if you rebind caps lock to be a second fn key and bind arrows to fn+wasd
>>722740823countless lives have been saved by hall effect sensors
>Keyboard threadMine is starting to miss inputs and doubling them sometimesis it the switch dying or something else? This happens even after cleaning it
>>722741723if it's a hotswappable board try switching it with a key on the other side of the keyboardif the issues transfer to that key then replace the switchif they don't the board is fuckedif it's soldered you can't do anything
>>722702761I bought some chink brick that made the air cooler I had on my rig, it works fine and has decent options like the volume nub and gay lighting, but the caps aren't backlit, heavy as fuck too
>>7227340105700x3d is garbage now?
>>722741723when that happen to my keyboard, I just kept using it and it fixed itself.
>>722702761you VILL pay more for less and you VILL be happyyou're a creepy chud if you disagree
>>722741839Yea its a dying switchhow the fuck did G die before wasd? too much racism?>>722742118That stopped workin last month
>>722740071>press y>keyboard goes back and foward like a seesaw
>>722699854>scratchy cold aluminum keyboardewww
>>722702774please tell me there's a wired version
I've been using the same dell office keyboard for the last 15 years and I won't stop until it becomes completely unusable. When it does I'll go on ebay and buy another one of the same model.
>GAYMING IS SUPER CEREAL BEEZKNEESjust buy a cheap keyboard you fucking dorks
>>722743948just plug it in with your a male to c male cable of choice
>>722724639>you shouldn't need any "stabilizers" at that price point, the manufacturing should eliminate any tolerances that allow for rattleNo amount of precision manufacturing breaks the laws of physics. Stabilizers don't exist to eliminate rattle, they inadvertently create it, which is why the keyboard that has stabilizers that don't create rattle costs that much.
>>722744098>just sleep on a cheap dirty mattressif you use something a lot you want it to be good
>>722729925>discover how to *>change logo just because mean trollingI will never forget man>want more ergonomic designs>they force people to smol kb and mouse monstrositiesPic related
>>722738765nothey don't pass THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG test while holding both shifts
none of this matters for keyboards. even if there was a difference it's barely perceptible in practice. hall effect and TMR analog sticks on the other hand, now that's a noticeable difference in the experience from the deadzones to the accuracy and lack of drift.
>>722699854>induction keyboardsWhat if my stove is from the 70s
>>722738473>mfw I can use one of these
Why are cucks using circumcised keyboards?
>>722744307lmao stfu, you're just transmitting a signal to your pc and there's no long term health implications for using a cheap keyboard. you guys are such clowns wasting $400 on these pieces of shit
>>722746367>$400the most technologically advanced keyboard in the world is $120 divided over however many years it'll last
>>722745686they suffer from smalldesk
I liek my wooting and the wootility tool is nice and easy
>>722702761For me, it's 98%. Basically the same size as TKL
>>722736263I first got a cheap laptop-style keyboard when I built my pc (since I had been gaming on a laptop for a few years) and while I love the feel the piece of shit had ghosting so bad that the binding of isaac was unplayable, also a key broke in the first year. Meanwhile my chinesium mechanical keyboard that was like 30€ has no ghosting at all and if a key breaks (hasn't happened yet after a couple of years) I can just swap it out
>>722699854where are the numpads????
>>722699854As if it really amtters what you use, dumbo
>threads about type of actuation>"muh numpad"how insecure are you guys?
>>722700593Consider that never having to eat again also means you never have to shit again and it starts to make more sense.
>>722750513>type of actuationnobody cares about that shit so there's nothing to discuss
