What am I in for?
>>7227371143 hours of kino followed by 12 hours of nothingness
>>722737114Darkness.
>>722737114
>>722737114SUMMER VACATIOn
Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty.
>>722737114>buena vista gamesWhat the fuck, is this a US thing?
>>722737114Good combat for a cross over Disney game which is pretty wild.
>>722737851
kh2 > kh1 > kh3 (+remind) > bbs >>>>> chain of memories >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of them
>>722737114the last good game in the series
>>722738012Replaces BBS with DDD and yeah pretty much.
>>722738064>implying BBS is worse than DDDlolwutin terms of gameplay maybe but BBS has an actual good story
>>722738253What? BBS' story retroactively ruined the story of 1 and 2. Also everyone in BBS besides Xehanort and Terra were complete fucking retards.
>>722738364ok i believe you
>>722738364>DDD' story retroactively ruined the story of 1 and 2
>>722738253>BBS has an actual good story
>>722738253>Aqua is forced to babysit two drooling retards and ends up getting punished for it: THE GAME
>>722737114girls with BIG HUGE GIANT concrete slappers
Why can't zoomers just play games? Why do they have to consult with anyone on anything they do, to the point where when they don't have any actual friends, they turn to reddit and 4chan? Are you just not capable of putting a game in, playing it and forming your own opinion? Has social media really stunted you this bad?
>>722737114Just play it faggot
So is 2026 KH4 or FF7Re3
>>722738364>What? BBS' story retroactively ruined the story of 1 and 2how? because we found out keyblades are actually inherited? idk why people get so uppity about this, who gives a shit.
>>722738678Suppose we’ll find out at TGA.
>>722737114A mess of a story and a mess of a video game but with really good presentation.
>>722738012KH1>>>>>>KH2 FM=KH3 Remind>>>>KH2=KH3>>>>>>CoM>BBS>DDD
This is your reminder that Kingdom Hearts, from top to bottom, creator to fan base, is the stupidest fucking thing ever invented in fantasy media. Any discussion or professed fandom of the game should send you to a fucking gulagKingdom HeartsKingdom Hearts: Chain of MemoriesKingdom Hearts IIKingdom Hearts CodedKingdom Hearts 358/2 DaysKingdom Hearts Birth by SleepKingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop DistanceKingdom Hearts HD 1.5 RemixKingdom Hearts χKingdom Hearts HD 2.5 RemixKingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter PrologueKingdom Hearts IIIThese are all real games that (real) people paid money for made by other real (bugmen) people.
>>722739359>These are all real games that (real) people paid money forYeah, I'm one of those people. Also, don't forget about Melody of Memory
>>722739359The stupidity of the franchise and the fact that it's all taken 100% seriously is part of the appeal.Just look how dumb pic related is, and it is treated with complete sincerity. That's a huge part of the charm for many fans.>>722739627And Dark Road.And 0.2 Birth By Sleep: A Fragmentary Passage
>>722739359I've played all of these and beat all of them except for χ
2 has really shit worlds compared to 1. Who even asked for a Mulan world?
>>722740472me. but i gotta tell you, i was pretty disappointed in what we got.
>>722740472They're all flat empty rooms, often oriented in a straight line. For me nothing will match the disappointment of the World that Never Was, worst final stage ever.
>>722740472who asked to unleash soras fursona in lion king
>>722737114Mashing X 90% of the time then mash triangle for the remaining 10%
>>722737114A lesser experience if you're playing regular KH2 and not KH2: Final Mix on Critical Mode
>>722738364Terra is the biggest retard in the series anon.
>>722739359>These are all real games that (real) people paid money forYEARS OF COUNTING yet NO REAL ORDER TO PLAY GAMES numbered II, 358/2, 3D, 1.5, 2.5, 2.8 and III????"Hello, I would like one copy of Kingdom Hearts χ please"They have played us for absolute fools
>>722740472The flat, empty rooms and hallways make everything feel miserable, especially compared to KH1 which at least tried to have some semblance of level design, even including some (mediocre) platforming. It's not really the worlds' fault, but the poor level design in general that unfortunately most of the series suffers from going forward.The awkwardly paced cutscenes with absolutely no background music more often than not doesn't do them any favors either.
>>722738678How fucked is 4 with Missing Link canceled? We're missing out on lore with Brain, Demyx, Player, and a few other characters, and I'm assuming several characters will show up in quadratum. I mean, I shouldn't expect anything in terms of set up and pay off after 3 but still. We're getting strelitzia content, that has to count for something.
GET UP ON THE HYDRA'S BACK!!!
>>722737114kino
>>722741580/_\ Urninantor
post yfw two keyblades
>>722741689DUAL WIELD
>>722739359>χAlways cracks me upNomura is a fucking retarded genius
>>722741689
>>722741396not fucked, but I could see it lead to them pushing out and wrapping up ff7 first as additional stuff needs to be worked into kh4
>>722738253>Star Wars prequels but what if zzz zzzzzzzz honkshoo mimimimimiIf BbS actually gave you a reason to care about the characters at the start of the game, it would be fine. It’s amazing how hard the intro fumbles showcasing their relationship, when KH1 immediately hooked you with the rivalry and the romantic tension between Sora with Riku and Kairi respectively.
>>722741167He's ironically the only smart one of the BBS trio. Ventus is a retard running around causing trouble for no reason like attacking the dwarves, and Aqua was not only ready to draw needless blood the second she sensed a shred of darkness in Cinderella's world but is also partially responsible for Terra's insecurity (retarded for even bringing it up in Radiant Garden) which is what ultimately caused him to fall into Xehanort's hands (who literally everyone - NOT just Terra, including their mentor Eraqus, believed was a good guy until the very end of the game). Of course Terra might come off as dumb from our perspective because we, as the audience, have the foresight to recognize who are the actual villains of their respective stories, because we have many references to draw from, something that none of the Kingdom Hearts characters have (which is how Xehanort gets away with looking evil as fuck and still being seen as a respected mentor and friend). Despite this, Terra gets a feel for each world he visits and gathers facts before acting. He ends up interacting with each world's villains, but he has no reason to believe they are the villains until they do or say something villainous, which Terra is very quick to pick up on. He gathers the facts, and realizes the Queen's a bitch in Dwarf Woodlands, and he outsmarts Captain Hook when he figures out he's the bad guy. The only questionable decision he makes is helping Jumba, a prisoner, in Deep Space.Compare all this to Aqua and all the dumbass things she did in BBS alone. Not even mentioning how she goes even further into retard territory in KH3.
>>722741797>Nomura was the one actively campaigning for FF7R to stick closer to the original in terms of story, density of memberberries, mechanics like affection etc.>his reputation is too stained by his schizo behavior toward KH that most retards think he added the time jannies and the stupid fanservice subplotIt’s not fucking fair Nomurabros
>>722738364Yeah but Ventus and endearing kind of retard
>>722742012square probably decided to make it a schizo sequel when they realized all other game remakes that stay faithful stop being talked about a month after release
>>722742012Nomura literally has not been the same man since they canned Versus XIII. It's legacy even tainted KH3.
>>722741864I'm still waiting for them to drop>Young Xehanort and Young Eraqus are Sora's party members in quadratumLike its a big reveal.
>>722741892The criticism about Terra not automatically knowing that Disney villains are villains is so fucking dumb. He's traveling to these worlds and meeting these people for the first time.
>>722741892Aqua is hot though
>>722742012I believe cooking up an idea for god knows how long then seeing that very concept taken from your hands and given to someone else just so they can release a product, said idea being butchered in a thousand different shapes and when finally shipped, that other dude is the who got the credits, good and bad.It's almost worse than being tricked into raising a kid that isn't yours. A miracle that Nomura stayed in Squeenix and """""""""""sane""""""".
>>722741892>Terra, whatever you do don't use the darkness because you will get fucked up>no Terra my boy, use it! It'll be sick!>uses darkness>aaaah I got fucked up who could have seen this coming?He's hot though so I forgive him.
>>722742391True.>tfw no lawful dumb keyblade master gf
>>722742509Eraqus' fault for passing Xehanort off as a great and trustworthy guy
>>722742647too bad she actually has no ass
>>722742951This. Almost all the problems in the series is rooted in Eraqus' incompetence.
>>722741892They’re all working off of what they know, basically. Aqua is a prodigy who slots well into Eraqus’s hard lawfag paladin teachings, so she doesn’t have a reason to question it. You can make a case for darkness sensitivity being akin to mental illness, especially after Dark Road portrayed it as sometimes stemming from a hyper empath schizophrenia, in the case of Xehanort and Baldr. It’s asking the perfect model student to empathize with a similarly talented but inconsistent problem child. It’s not really going to happen, and there’s going to be an implicit imposition of values by the well adapted former that the latter simply cannot cope with. What’s retarded is Eraqus in 3 getting the bare minimum of a sendoff for basically raising the three of them incorrectly and causing them a decade’s worth of suffering. He goes “lol sorry” and then proceeds to have buttsex with Xehanort in heaven.
>>722738514>implying aqua is any better than them when she believes MALEFICENT at face value
>>722737920I still remember repeateadly failing the one where you have to cheer up the mermaid, thinking it was just incredibly hard, only to find out 5 minutes later when i fucked off to go fight data xemnas that my controller was actually dying. Ultima weapon never saw use regardless because the stupid christmas blade has a stronger ability, fenrir can stunlock terra, and full bloom + has MP haste.
>>722743075>Maleficent attacks>gets defeated>"oh actually Terra did darkness things with darkness, trust me bro">"ok I believe you">instantly accuses Terra in Radiant Garden>claims she "saw what he did">despite not seeing anything and only going off of Maleficent's wordAnd people call Terra the dumb one
>>722743182How many KH2 keyblades are even useful? I remember most of them just being downgrades to keyblades you got early on
>>722743013Looks like an ass to me, anon.She's just not dummy thicc. Then again, none of the KH girls are.
>>722743246Practically all of them are useful if you play on hard enough circumstances (the superbosses at any level, or playing at level 1 on Critical mode). The issue with KH2's keychains is that the stats are secondary to the abilities on them, but children don't think to check the abilities first.
>>722737114Pure chuuni kino and the peak of the KH franchise. From this point forward each game is increasingly disappointing. KH3 is insultingly bad due to corpo meddling on the Disney end of things.
>>722743653>the Disney end of thingsAnd the Nomura end of things. FFV13's cancellation broke him.
>>722741645>piss on the hydras back>/_\ Urinator
>>722737114Genuinely one of the greatest games ever made.
>>722737114Yaoi kino.
>>722743246Rumbling rose and hero's crest should be permanently slotted into valor and master's slots.Gull wing gets you to level 100 in TWTNW in about 2 hours, but it's useless after that.Bond of flame melts vexen in 10 seconds, but ultimate form firaga does a shit ton of damage to any boss and doesn't build up a lot of revenge value.Kingdom key paired up with damage control actually does decrease damage by around 50℅ percent at half HP, which stacks with ribbons, but you shouldn't be facetanking attacks.Fenrir and negative combo can cheese most super bosses.Ultima weapon technically does have a good ability, but you're wearing 4 full bloom + anyway.
>>722737114The first three hours are boring garbage and the main story is stupid beyond belief (and told poorly, so not even in an entertaining way), but the gameplay is some of the best that video games have ever seen once you start getting new combat abilities. By the endgame, it is easily one of the best games ever made. The ending to the story is also so perfect that it makes you forgive the rest of the story up until those last 5 minutes.
>>722743223It feels like people that parrot this didn't even play the game. Which would be understandable because it's a shit game, but it's not what happens.
>>722740769Me, still wish he had more porn.
>>722743223He did do darkness shit though. Just not at that time.
>>722743246Gullwing is the goat.
>>722744190He does, but not until AFTER being accused, which lead him to believe that Aqua saw him less as a friend and more of a child to babysit and feeling like Xehanort, the guy who encouraged him to use the darkness, is the only one he could trust.Self-fulfilling prophecy. Aqua is retarded.
>>722743729You do have to admire his tenacity. He WILL make V13 even if he has to name it Kingdom Hearts.
>>722744268>Terra how could you? darkness is evil!>what the fuck no I didn't. I will use darkness to prove them wrong!
>>722744321We WILL get a fully realized Verum Rex world in KH4.
>>722744378That's not what happened. He didn't do it intentionally. He was emotionally unstable and was put into a situation where (he thought) Xehanort was in danger. He lost control of himself and ended up taking out Braig's eye. It's a moment of weakness that is flaunted and complimented by Xehanort to further push Terra into being a perfect vessel.Yes, Terra has darkness in him. Yes, it is a weakness he is well aware of and has a hard time controlling it. It is a flaw that Xehanort is using against him. But between the mastery tests and the fight with Braig, he does not use darkness a single time. That moment with Maleficent doesn't count, because she straight up controls him against his will.
Is Chain of Memories necessary to understand the story of KH2?
>>722744683It's become more and more relevant as the series went on, so yes.
>>722744683It helps
>>722744683yes and it's also necessary to understand the overarching story
>>722744631The whole point is that he shouldn't be doing keyblade wielder shit because he has darkness in him and it will fuck him up. He's a toddler with a flamethrower attached to his arm
>>722744683Yeah, it introduces a few concepts and characters, and gets the ball rolling on Riku's character arc for the rest of the series
>>722744683Beyond being important, it's also the third best Kingdom Hearts game (if you play on a GBA).
>>722744872That's more on Eraqus for being a shit teacher. Just look at how he fucked up with Ventus.
>>722744872If he had a better teacher he could use it responsibly like Riku does
>>722744893Repliku deserved better. :(
>>722744893I don't care that he's dumb, Riku is still a cool character to me.
>>722739182only if you value the adventure elements moreso than the combat.Otherwise KH2 FM>>>KH1 FM> KH3 REMIND >>>CoM>ReCoM>>>ReCoded>=365/2>>2.8>>BBS>>>DDD
>>722745105He got a good death scene and a fun superboss in KH3, that's good enough
>>722744872It is possible to use darkness properly and responsibly, but it isn't well known or documented because of how much bias there is against it. It's what makes Riku so special because he's not only conquered the darkness but is able to use it without issue.Like the other anons said, Eraqus is just a bad teacher, and part of that is his closed-minded perspective on darkness, where it's all bad and evil and any sign of darkness is weakness and should be expunged and if you use darkness you are weak and unworthy. He was so laser focused on being a pure light paladin he couldn't see the blatant blob of darkness sitting right next to him (Xehanort).
>>722743729Will Nomura put an even more ridiculous boss than this in 4?
>>722737114you should play final mix instead, but otherwise you're in for a very good game
>>722745275I've seen videos of people completely clowning on Yozora. One of them even took multiple selfies mid-fight while doing it. I guarantee the KH4 fights are going to be even crazier.
>>722737114Best KH game combat wise if you're playing the Final Mix version.You also see KH game design reach its peak with the final bonus dungeon.And then its never done again.
>>722737114The gayest shit imaginable. I say this as someone that likes playing kid games and watching disney classics, but KH is the gayest most infantile shit I have ever played and seen.
Are the games in 2.8 good or are just mobile slop?
>>722743075in retrospect Eraqus did a really bad job of training Aqua Ventus and Terra, they were basically all incredibly naive sheltered retards
>>722745275It'll be a 15 Noctis standin who's treated as a miserable failure and Yozora will tell him how much cooler he is.
>>722745382>DDD remasterIt's okay. Kinda loses part of its charm due to not being on the 3DS.>0.2Tech demo that only exists to show why Mickey was shirtless at the end of KH1.>Back Cover30 minute video covering the bare minimum of Union Cross.Not worth it in my opinion.
>>722741727….dont hit the camera
How did Ventus know what the Unversed were when no one told him about them? They were a new threat that no one had seen before
>>722743437very sensible and cute modest white girl butt. zoomers and their disgusting ass fetish has ruined everything
>>722738514>Ventus and Terra are targets of the machinations of a mad man>Aqua is a backup plan at best and largely left alone>Fucks up the most by locking Ventus up and not telling anyone where, and also letting Xehanort go free while trapping herself in the Realm of Darkness with no armour and a borrowed keybladeYou tell me who's the retard in this story
>>722745595"Vanitas link idk lol" - Nomura
>>722745971>jobitasIf we want to talk about retards in KH, I think Vanitas takes the cake. He's got probably the biggest L streak in the series yet still talks mad shit.
IDC if it's starting to become a milquetoast opinion nowadays 1 is better
>>722746235Vanitas is a jobber, but he's not a retard. He just fucking loves being evil.
>>722746242in some ways yeah, it's a better mix of action and RPG and the level design on the good worlds is leagues better than 2. but 2 is undisputedly the better action game, it's not even close especially with the FM optional bosses.
>>722746242What I like most about KH1 is that your party members actually feel like they're doing something in combat, compared to 2 and, to a lesser extent, 3 where they're glorified distractions and eventual Limit/Drive fodder.
>>722744683I'd say the story is important, Don't play that shit though. Watch the cutscenes on youtube. And only sora's story, not riku's
>>722746242KH1 is a better game as a complete package but KH2's combat gameplay is leagues better than KH1's combat gameplay.
>>722746762>And only sora's story, not riku'sDumbass. Riku's story is way more interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoS2JqToIdE
>>722741689I have an incredibly vivid memory of playing the oriiginal KH2 as a kid. The moment I beat Axel the very first thing I did was swing at the air to see if Roxas still had two keyblades. I was very disappointed. Then very sad for obvious reasons.
>>722746762Why would you skip Riku’s story? Are you stupid
>>722746235>too slow>pathetic>gotcha>see ya
>>722746242>better story>better level design>better puzzle>slightly better bossesI still like KH combat more because it was not a button mashing fiesta.
>>722743437Her ass is extremely flat. Look at it when she's standing still, not bending forward.
>>722747393Small and petite. There's nothing wrong with that, anon.
>>722737114Kingdom of Hearts... too..., I would wager?
>>722737114the post-beginning of square enix ruining squaresoft's image
>>722738253BBS is an okay throwaway title on the PSP but its nothing more than that.
>>722737114>Story that makes no sense>3 hours of tutorial prologue >Best combat in the series>Best boss rush mode in most games if you're playing final mix
>>722737920MER MAN!!
>>722749003story makes sense perfectly fine you're just a brainlet or a bozo who skipped CoM
>>722749081I played chain of memories on the GBA riding the school bus home every day thank you very much. No need to pretend to understand Nomura's big brain norting story. Just enjoy the game for what it is.
>>722749274brainlet it is then
>>722746242It would be an all time classic if camera controls were better.
>>722746861Delete this gweilo.
>>722749337Nomura, I know that's you.
>>722746242Platforming in a game with such shit camera controls is not a great but it started a kino series so I can't hate it.
>>722737114kino gameplay but the worlds being straight corridors kinda ruined the game
>>722749067That Sora is so hot right now.
>why am I getting lost>the platforming makes mad>every room is a corridor >there's no platformingYou disgust me.
Daily reminder only 1, CoM, and 2 are canon.
>>722751604wait KH2 is actually good? The worst part about KH was navigating the levels
>>722753024KH2FM is really good if you care about the combat since that's where it excels. Play it on Critical Mode, it's very well-balanced around being a proper challenge relative to the other difficulties.
>>722753024>t. got filtered by platforming segments
>>722737114Absolute kino.
>>722753174filtered by the little mermaid world, actually
>>722754379I found it easy enough, especially when spamming fire spells of all things
>>722737114A great sequel, where the story and lore begins to get a little more convoluted in the later half.
>>722738012>KH3 under KH1>BBS over Re:Codedlmao>>722738064>DDD better than BBSLMAO>>722738364>besides TerraRemember when Terra spent the whole game being tricked by Disney villains and then, after experiencing that, went to the next world with no sign of having learned anything and got tricked all over again?
>>722738514>>722743075>>722743223>>722745790>Maleficent tells Aqua that Terra did bad things>doesn't even elaborate on what, but just says he did>Aqua immediately believes her>Maleficent also more or less implies that Xehanort helped her and is shady in some way>Aqua sits on this information the whole game and never tells anyoneIt's weird how Xehanort and Aqua just ignore each other's existence for most of the runtime.
>>722746235>>722746330>>722747198>throw a hit at Vanitas>dodges out of the way>throw another hit at Vanitas>dodges out of the way>finally land a hit on Vanitas>he immediately teleports and counterattacks while you're stuck mid-animation>you have to fight him ten times at minimum, including the secret boss fightG-great boss design.
>>722754553You didn't play BBS, and if you did you either ignored the story or took the wrong messages from it.
>>722742105Speaking of which I would kill for a documentary that goes over that entire fallout. The failure of Versus and the fallout of how it affected Square and KH3 is genuinely one of the most interesting fallouts in Video game history and I'm really upset there isn't more info on it.
>>722737114The worlds longest tutorial.
>>722744683Yeah. I like both CoM and re:COM. I would actually recommend playing reCoM instead. That is is slightly controversial take in this community. Gameplay wise they are actually quite different. Especially if you are coming hot off KH1. I fully understand why people say the GBA version is better... however I wouldn't feel comfortable recommending it over re:COM. They are both clunky even compared to KH1. Even DS games resemble KH2 more fluid combat more than either COM game. The card system is either love or hate situation. There are a lot spells and abilities unique to chain of memories that frankly should have made their way into better games. The gameplay is really repetitive and often tedious in COM. The worlds are often a slog to get through. I wouldn't blame anyone for simply watching the cut cutscenes and skipping the games.
>>722755118Yeah right. Shit like that only gets made as company propaganda.
>>722754957>Enchanted Dominion>Maleficent tells Terra to go to Aurora's Chamber>Terra gets mind controlled into waving his Keyblade around while Xehanort steals Aurora's heart from the balcony or some shit>Dwarf Woodlands>Terra, after having just been brainwashed by a sorceress, immediately puts himself into another position where he could be brainwashed by the sorceress who wants him to kill someone>he only scares Snow White away on accident, but otherwise nothing bad happens>Castle of Dreams>Terra does nothing wrong here>Disney Town>Terra does nothing wrong here>Olympus Coliseum>Terra distrusts Hades out the gate, but still basically goes along with what he wants anyway just because>Terra is not that surprised to confirm that Hades was, in fact, trying to trick him despite having gone along with it>Deep Space>Terra lets Jumba out of jail because Jumba says he did nothing wrong>Jumba tries to kill him>Neverland>after experiencing all of the above, Terra meets Captain Hook>Captain Hook gives the most blatantly bald-faced lie imaginable to Terra>Terra, without even thinking about it, immediately goes along with itYeah, I didn't play it.
>>722755532>Terra gets mind controlled into waving his Keyblade around while Xehanort steals Aurora's heart from the balcony or some shitHas nothing to do with his intelligence or him being tricked. Maleficent is literally manipulating his body to act against his will (which, by the way, is the only "bad" thing he does before seeing Aqua in Radiant Garden, where she accuses him of doing bad things).>Terra, after having just been brainwashed by a sorceress, immediately puts himself into another position where he could be brainwashed by the sorceress who wants him to kill someoneNo brainwashing happens. He doesn't buy the Queen's shit for a second and only seeks Snow White to gather information. You're retarded if you thought for a second he had any intention of harming her.>Terra distrusts Hades out the gate, but still basically goes along with what he wants anyway just becauseAgain, he's gathering information. He's entered a new world and Hades is his first and only point of contact.>Terra lets Jumba out of jail because Jumba says he did nothing wrongThis is the only questionable decision he makes in the game. Terra has no reason to believe he's evil, but at the same time he's a prisoner for a reason.>Captain Hook gives the most blatantly bald-faced lie imaginable to Terra>Terra, without even thinking about it, immediately goes along with itTerra has absolutely no reference to go off of. He has no reason to believe Captain Hook is a villain because this is a brand new world and the culture here might just be different. Again, he goes along with it to gather information, and turns on him as soon as he figures out who's what. Peter Pan does not do himself any favors and deserved the beatdown.Maybe pay attention to the story next time.
>>722738012>kh3Fucking LMAO
>>722741384KH2’s cutscenes are so badly directed that I’m amazed they don’t get more flak for them.
>>722756412It's because SquareEnix kept scripting their cutscenes like they're still in the PS1 era. Characters stand around and talk with really awkward pacing and pauses between sentences (which wouldn't be noticeable if they were text boxes but these are fully voiced cutscenes here). Limited animation, weird camera angles, and so much dead air. Either the director didn't want the background music to distract from the dialogue or it was a conscious decision to save background music for the more emotional cutscenes. Maybe even a bit of both, because I remember the scene where Sora reunites with his friends in TWTNW being completely silent, with the next scene where he learns who Roxas really is having music. It's a fucking mess.This wasn't a KH exclusive issue either. Square really pulled this style of cutscene across almost all their 6th and 7th gen console releases and only starting with KH3 did they SLOWLY start to break away from it.
