Peaked here
Mmos peaked with legion
>>722774373>worst content>downgraded battle system>ruined jobsfuck off, secondary
mmo combat peaked with tera
MMOs peaked with Ragnarok Online
>>722774373you mean peaked here, but you were probably still in your dads ballsack
>>722774373Wait... That's not how it's called...
>>722775041Blade & Soul actually.
>>722775041>>722775346Vindictus*>inb4 not a real MMO
>>722775103>>722775223
>Tera>Blade and Soulboth great
>>722774373Holy shit how did they get away with that title?
>>722777264it's fake
>>722777264it's real
>>722774373Endwalker actually but yeah.
>>722777264it's from a timeline where jews were properly shoah'd before they were able to complete the ritual that introduced them to baphomet and moloch; looks like the world's a much better, less sensitive and funnier place without their influence
>>722774373nah, mmos have yet to peakpost-SB XIV is just the logical conclusion of tab-target as a genre
have you cleared it yet?
>>722779938>emo bird is the true mastermind of ten years of story>Garlemald is just a shitty snow area>Final Days is a disappointment, older areas don't even show itAh yes bravo!
>>722774735Legion is overrated garbage>RNG legendaries>Garrison Missions++>Strung out campaigns that obsoleted with a major patch
>>722784068the missions walling story progression was the only issue i had. felt artificial. just have the story come out every week instead of having to jump through that hoop
>>722783239This but unironically
actually it peaked hereyou may not like the setting but it was the last xpac before they started homogenizing every class
>>722788849>stance dancing>astrologian overall>alliance breaker cid>level 65 dungeon killing tanks>ivalice glams>release day eurekaAnd kuso-p got swept up in the hype of ShB and made Endwalker
>>722777264This is why the jew fears the samurai
>>722783239I hate foidslop so much, it's just completely gutted of testosterone
>>722774373it was here
>>722774969scholar mains need not apply
>>722790398God I wish I was there for the peak of XI. >t.poorfag
Whoops, wrong picture.
>>722793854same thing here. my computer didnt have hardware T&L on my video card, so it didnt let me play XI. sad times
>>722790398I'm mixed on this looking back. CoP was good for its "one & done" content, but ruined the grind camps with Bibiki completely overtaking 60-75 grinding from Zilart/base, and diluting Kazham parties horribly. The grind took longer but you didn't just all funnel into the same grey zone for the second half of your leveling journey and then even camp there for the 10x amount of time you'd spend meriting. The base/Zilart dungeons were much more kino (Ranperre, Kuftal, Boyahda, Cauldron, Onzozo) than the damn stupid grey rocks of Bibiki "bay" (you never see the water). And with the zone variety you get mob variety and not just the same shitty starter zone mobs (birds, goblins, dhalmel were alright at least).There was never a definitive peak, it was just always about the same level of good and sovl on average from base game until ToAU. WotG is when the experience dropped a bit but it was still good.
>>722790398ToAU is actually the peak but CoP has the most kino story.
>>722794540>the damn stupid grey rocks of Bibiki "bay" (you never see the water)Are you thinking of Buburimu Peninsula?
>>722794681The's the island after taking the boat from there, Bibiki was 100% just Buburimu copy-pasta'd for some reason, except the walls were raised so it just felt like a jail.
I love gunbreaker
>>722795036Oh yeah you're right, that little dock where I farmed the lizards for Geist Wall.
>>722774373
>>722774969>Shadowbringers is shitWhatever you say, /V/authry.
>>722788849it was the last time the game had some soul left10yen yoshida fucked up after because players only wanted a good story, therefore SB was seen as bad
>>722795151
>>722774373Peak XIV secondary opinion. 5.0 is pretty solid, but 5.1 onward is the exact shit that lead to DT. And yes I'm looking at the whole experience and not just the story, if you judge by story alone then 3.X mogs absolutely everything 10x over.
>>722788849TRVTHNVKE
>>722782265I only just cleared Floor 60 because people are retards. Still haven't cleared Arkveld but that's more on me because I've only done maybe 90 minutes max.
While FFXIV eeks out content every few months, your sub money is being pissed away for Japanese streamers to play FFXIV.https://x.com/thek4sen/status/1975489685758878009
>>722774969This.
>>722796291I hope it dies after 8.0 flops because they thought they could get away with SHB 4.0 again
>new DD and MH trial>no threadsman now the game is really dead because i remember several threads about eureka orthos
>>722796434>I hope FFXIV diesYeah, yea, janny...
>>722796291i'll never understand the brain damage required to watch someone play through the linear story
>>722784068>hating the most kino legendary system ever designedTRANNY ALERTTRANNY ALERTWE'VE GOT OURSELVES A SPEEEEEEDRUNNER HERE
>>722796434>Reposted by Foxclon the global community manager for FFXIV.They're trying to replicate the streamer wave of mid Shadowbringers but this time for the Japanese player base. Your sub money is paying for all those Jap streamers to play the game. https://x.com/thek4sen/status/1972994843791036612
>>722775223>>722775103Glad I didn't even need to post it
>>722775394>Blatant lobby gameYeah, it isn't. I expect some retard to bring up GW1 or PSO soon
>>722796612Are they just playing through a 6 year old expansion...?
>>722796504Blue Protocol is DOA. Keep coping.
>>722774373>WoW>WoW clones>KMMOsAll of you faggots are retarded. MMORPGS peaked with UO, EQ and DAoC respectively.
>>722796754GW2 is the only modern "mmo" that I WOULDN'T classify as a blatant lobby game
XIVFinal Fantasy 14FF14YoshidaDawntrail
>>722796980True, true...
>>722793983Whoops. Wrong picture.
you know what I would play?Monster Hunter Frontier but with FF jobs
>>722796756They want to get upvotes and engagement, so of course they're playing the most popular one. If they dared showcase DT they'd get the polite JP equivalent of clown emoji swarms in chat.
>>722796578I used to like watching people to react to that one speech in stormblood
You think OP is gonna get the general he wants today?
>>722796950I've been meaning to try it for a while, but I've hit my limit for storyshit in MMOs. I have no fucking clue why every game for the past 15yrs keeps trying to shove their garbage story down my throat.
MMORPGS* peaked with AQWorlds in 2011
>>722794540>>722794594>>722794681XI was and is so good it's unreal. The only people who don't like it fall into one of two camps no exception:>never tried it>zoomertranny that's worried their XIV character will become meaningless if everyone quits XIV, so they lash out at any MMO that isn't it.
>>722797516I didn't like:>retarded agro systems>multiple classes on one character, and swapping meant you needed to go change out your gear>too many classes with too few useful ones>the controls, which are like if a race of insects designed a MMO interface
>>722797692>multiple classes on one character, and swapping meant you needed to go change out your gearYou change job at your house, where your bank is. So you don't need to go anywhere.>too many classes with too few useful onesEvery job in XI is useful, except arguably PUP.>the controls, which are like if a race of insects designed a MMO interfaceIt's just designed like a console Final Fantasy and not WoW. You're supposed to play it with a controller.
Not liking aggro is just outing yourself as a braindead DPS bot that mindlessly mashes out rotations and nothing else
>>722774373Pic unrelated
>>722797692Retarded takes, disregarded post. kys zoomertranny.
>>722797975>t. never played a real MMO
>>722797895>smokescreen>goad>shadewalkerI miss these niggas like you wouldnt believe
>>722798038>it's not a real MMO if it's not a WoW cloneThis is what zoomoids really believe, unfortunately.
>>722797895blm hereI loved aggrothe tank will be forced to wake up
>>722798092>is so young he thinks WoW wasn't a casualized ripoff of real MMOsImagine being under 50. Zooooooooooooooooooom.
>>722798038>>722798092>it's not a real MMO if it's not a WoW cloneFor a WoW clone, it was successful enough to surpass WoW one time. Maybe someday Yoshi-P will get his dream crossover with WoW.
>>722798165You need to fix your reading comprehension.
wrong, I'll hear a solid argument for treasures of aht urghan too though.
>>722798038>XI is not a real MMOYou topped yourself in your retardation.
>>722798186>wants to get "fixed" by comprehensive sexual reassignment surgery Good on you, xister.
>>722798276I don't even think you know what you're arguing, zoomoid.
>>722798309>wants to zoom to Argentina for surgery
>>722794594>>722790398heh should have scrolled through the thread before I posted.CoP was when I was most active playing FFXI as a teenager. I have so many memories of it, going into the promy areas with a large group and getting wiped over and over again, that fucking airship battle against ultima / omega.That airship battle alone took my ages to get past, it was truly fucking difficult for a story mission, it took everything to get past it at that level cap. That first time you zone into lufaise meadows and that music kicks in... then you discover the safehold and see the ruins of the city from the opening cutscene in the distance. Man I wish we got to explore that city but we never did.
>>722798440
>>722774969thisstory was ok, but they ruined literally everything else. dumbed down the jobs, worst 24 mans, just overall shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFGw1RI0Ktsno wonder Sakaguchi was crying during this
>>722774969>secondarypeople said that exact same shit when HW first dropped and was a mess and when SB dropped
>>722796756no they spent the 3 days doing shadowbringer extremes with streamers who don't really play the game
>>722798082>be BLM>tank fucking dies>use lucid to half my aggro so the other dps dies instead of meI love aggro management tools
>me when the aether hits
i think i figured out why my two attempts with a party have failed. people are only doing the dungeon on classes they want to level
>>722801232No, the city from the opening is Tavnazia which you can see in the distance from Lufaise Meadows. The Tavnazian Safehold is an old storage facility they escaped to through tunnels under the cathedral.
>>722794681I love the 2010 pallettes and 3D effect bros
>>722802345That's from 2004...
whats the new beast tribe mount gonna be
>>722774373MMOs peaked with Maplestory in 2005
>>722774969jobs have been shit ever since stormblood introduced job gauges
>>722796612whoa they are retarded if they think it works like that. Like if I type ff14 i get negative news about how the latest expansion is bad. During EW and SHB i got only good news.
all done
wonder if he realizes nobody's here
i can subsist even on vagueposting
I just want a game I can socialize and have some kind of community in again.Is there any right now?
Does he know?
>>722807768I don't know, MMO private servers I guess.
>>722782265>Pretending like you don't just use cheats to tell you exactly where to move at any given time Lmao xivcheaters, not even once.
>>722775223wish there was a good server
I wiped 3 times to the fucking cactus boss already, the spin move he does is just way too fast. I play with high ping and it's almost impossible to not get clipped
this definitely happened
>>722774373Excuse me, sirThat isn't Stormblood
I miss Wildstar bros, I really do. I just want a company to bring back an official version.
>20 minute queues to guildhests even when playing as a tank>world is empty, players are only seen in town centers idling>no one is talking in global chatIs this game officially dead?
>>722810090
>>722810090There is a reason Square Enix is pumping out HD2D games nonstop. They broke glass with Dragon Quest 3 because FFXVI flopped also with FFXIV barely making money compared to 2 years ago. I think internally they are changing strategies. If they were smart they would fire that pink hair bitch that is probably apart of Antifa in her off time. They would be smart to fire any of the Californians working for them if they want to make money.
>steam player count barely peaked at 22k concurrent players after a fucking patch with new endgame content drop predict the player numbers for 7.4
>>722810563hopefully 0 so the devs make a new mmo we've been 10 years overdue
>>722809554Disregard this post, he goes by Vizex Xene and is a huge fan of BRC (big roegadyn cock)Frequents venues on Aether, just truly based
>Floor 30 bossWe couldve had a billion more like this since SHB if tr*sts didn't exist. Could've fit in any point of ARR-SB before 2021 fucked them up.
You guys better make use of the only week this content will be active :)
Mogs mounts cheevos we got emDrop crits on the boss we one shot emVizex with the Roe he's on bottom
>>722810716why would you samefag? here a (you)
ah, it autosaged again, same as yesterday..
>>722774373When are we gonna get a white guy with claymore job
>>722795084Unironically GNB is the most fun I've had tanking in any MMO, who knew the secret was to stop pussyfooting around with tanks doing burst damage and just have them behave like a DPS but with defensive cooldowns
So how is Quantum? Ludo, dogshit or in-between?
>>722799329Isn't it interesting and cool that Newest Expansion is always bad and Two Expansions Ago was the best the game ever was, where it peaked, the game should literally end-of-service now because it will never be topped
>>722810443Isn't their whole strategy that they won't be back to AAA until 2 years from now?
>>722795084Hey, check this outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkZdMnLKmTM
not necessarily here but a thing that always annoyed me is XIV fans excusing any of its shortcomings because of the storydo people actually try to advertise a subscription-based MMORPG because of the story that makes you walk from A to B with minimal gameplay?
>>722812807>do people actually try to advertise a subscription-based MMORPG because of the story that makes you walk from A to B with minimal gameplay?They did, but not anymore.
>>722812807It turns out the children do yearn for the mines, and by that I mean a mediocre to good VN with a very high level of writing and setting consistency.
What are you guys playing while the game is DEAD?I'm trying Terranigma, bretty engaging so far and SNES games are almost always so beautiful
>>722812996Right now it's Dragon Quest 3. Should I turn my cleric into a fighter?
>walks in with a visible bulge in my pants>it seems like i am flexing but this is my resting state>"wow is king" >slaps your girls ass and puts on sunglassesyeah what now?
>>722813264we sit down and play XIV for four hours, as a gigachad you know full well how to piss off everyone in the room and play it off as irony later
>>722813264Listen to you talk about burps and farts and cum for a few hours because you're obviously FtM and that's all you talk about.
>>722812458Mechanics are definitely harder than FRU but it's shorter and less people, seems fun. But people are already seething that the only rewards are the title and hoard bags
>>722812996I was playing Fantasian, but the latter part of the game started boring me so I just got back to XIV instead. If I don't continue working past the end of the month I'll play Link's Awakening though.>>722813043I just had different niggas for all classes, but if you could do with a fighter go for it. Think I had Hero/Sage/Cleric/Mage for the final boss (although I did not to the post game dragon thing), but I was also a Warrior + Red/White/Black Mage fag in my FF1 playthrough.
can you actually make a cool looking derplander? like vergil or something. just want to play some edgekino classes to drk.
You nerds clear PT yet?
>>722774373>MMOI barely interacted with anyone playing this.
>>722813442Midlanders look kinda nonthreatening by default but Vergil would probably be piss simple to make
>>722813447i wonder if this is the being that was tormenting An Lad even though this takes place in lakeland
>>722813538Welcome to MMOs! If you don't use them as chatrooms then all you're gonna get out of it is an OK RPG with other people running around in it.
>>722775223I was playing trickster
>>722813587Same, I played Maplestory and Trickster Online a lot in those days. I played a bit of everything, Maplestory..Trickster then WoW Vanilla, came back for TBC. I played Runescape 2 as well. I played a lot of gookslop. I even played Flyff until I was level 50 or so. Lots of those free to play MMOs. Good times.
>>722813568I got to it but wiped with my fc but then we ran the boss again just to get a feel for it and beat it, it was neat
>>722813749yeah. i like being able to practice the boss. also, 5 sustaining pots per kill
every mmorpg is the same shit since WoW came out
>>722813818Turns out tab-target is the evolutionary peak of MUDs and there's nowhere to really go upwards from here
>>722774373>perhaps the worst mmo expansion of all time>peakstoryfags are the worst
I am the coolest guy in this game.
>>722799009his playthrough was so kinois it archived anywhere?
>>722774373Well, I joined when jobs were already shit, so yeah, it was the peak of the story.Now the jobs AND the story are shit, so I just use it for porn mostly whilst I wrap some stuff up
>>722775103>>722775223trvth nvke
>>722814117
>>722788849I'm glad more people are posting about SBThe only things bad about SB were the mhigger side of the story and how some of the jobs got fucked hard (rip DRK)>Running off the high that was HW kino.>Doma story side good>Gave us PotD which was fresh and fun at the time>Ivalice 24man was good and kino>Most of the extremes were good (Susano, Shinryu, Tsukuyomi, Suzaku)>Omega savage was fun, but the first tier was way too easy as an overreaction from Alex. Midas was still the peak though>Gave us Ultimates, ucob is still a good fight>RDM and SAM were fun>PVP balance was decent enough that PVP was still fun to do now and then>Some of the minigames (at the time) were alright like the jumping one>Eureka was very fun, but only if you played when it first dropped where everyone had no idea what to do so everyone was actually talking to each other and working together to survive and explore like how MMOs should be>Memes were godtierThe story sucked but the side content was never betterAll the devs had to do was not shoehorn the stupid job gauges on every single job because it's obvious that only RDM and SAM were truly designed with them in mind. If they just expanded the jobs the expac would be near perfect.The SB neutering still left some depth which made jobs better than the neutered versions that happened in ShB, EW, and DT
>>722816737Oh and I forgot this one>Job quests were still a thing and fun before those got ruined and we got shitty role quests instead
>>722816737PotD was HW
>>722796612>They have to desperately cling to 6 year old content to make the game look goodLMEOOWWWW
>>722816737PotD was HW, heaven on high was SB but I get what you mean because it was condensed down to 100 floors instead of 200 and the formula hadn't gotten too tiring yet for most people at the time
>>722817964It's shocking isn't it? Dawntrail released a year ago but they're still stuck to having to use Shadowbringers to drum up eyes to the game.
>>722774373Final Fantasy's stories from the past decade peaked there sure, but FFXIV is more like a shitty co-op game than an MMO
>>722822121We are watching XIV players slowly get buck-broken into endlessly reminiscing about "when the game used to be good" while bemoaning the treadmill of putrid shit being shoveled down their throats in terms of new expansions/content.Truly a wow-clone to the very end
>>722796612Miserable. Pathetic. Sad. Grim.
Wildstar
The game is super dead, no seriously, if you try to search "quantum" in the subreddit, only two threads appear.
>>722774373what? FFXIV is one of the worst MMORPGs when it comes to gameplay. Game is shit and peaked with ARR (and 1.23). Go play your shitty ascian retcon fujo shit and kys.
>>722774373People only liked ShB because of all the anti blizzard hype and streamer hopping. The game was shit.
Objectively peaked with Vanilla WoWXIV is a VN
>>722805907no, this was when jobs peaked
ngl, this Deep Dungeon seems pretty easy to solo. Votives are really strong and junipers are so common you can pretty much breeze through 80% of the whole thing.
>>722824967Quantum is YET ANOTHER extremely difficult raidtranny content that rewards nothing except for a fucking title nobody is going to recognize. Yoshida is fucking demented at this point.
>think super quantum is gonna be some awesome shit>its just an execution boss that has 3 mechanics max and spams WE FALL WE FALL WE FALLyeah I definitely don't even feel remotely interested in this at allonce again they had a good thing with criterion and made it boring as fuck
>>722827664wasn't the whole point of quantum adjustable difficultydon't tell me it's just scaling HP or some shit
i need an elezen wife
>>722829147well yes it does scale HP, what mechanics occur and how hard they hit but there's no point in doing anything below Q40 because there's no unique reward, only the title for doing Q40
>>722830469loved my giraffe
How would (you) fix FFXIV?
>>722830792release ffxiv classic servers
>>722796586>Most kinoYeah it was great when you finally got your legendary and it was the shitty shield amulet.Amazing system there
>>722795642lmao imagine if the WoL was added to the new smash bros. game
>wow>peakpage 10, horrible thread
>>722829142>only three mechanics Why would you lie about that anon? I seen someone trying to clear it and they got fucked by so many over lapping mechanics and the light/dark buffs. I swear you people are so fucking pathetic and have to doom post about everything, get a fucking hobby man
>>722774373You mean here.
>>722830869classic as in 1.0 or 2.0?
>>722774373This is easily one of the worst experiences ive ever had. An mmo is not about the story
>>722830792It's unfixable. Its fundamental design runs counter to what a good social gaming experience should be today. They should wrap it up and make a new game.
>>722793854I was there on release and through the peak and I can tell you nothing else compares, both the game and the people were far beyond anything I've ever experienced within gaming.
>>722799329If anything people liked about SB, it were trials and raids.People absolutely loved shb savage, but trials and 24ppl raids not so much, at least until 5.3 trial, shit blew mind back in the day
>>722831269It isn't a lie thoughWould you prefer if I said 5-6 tiny ones and be super semantic about it? You want me to say patterns?
>>722831923You’re a liar is all people need to know go do the content yourself you fucking loser if you think it’s so easy
>>722831759I think you have to be a NieR fan to be a fan of those raids desu
>>722832075More like you need to be a drakengard fan lmao.
>>722832075as a NieR fan those raids sucked, the selection of bosses and music sucked and the rewards were mostly disappointing and don't get me started on the>>>>>story
>>722797217>They hated Varis because he spoke the truth
>>722832131
>>722832035Where did I say anything about the difficulty you fucking faggot shut up alreadyDo you think I play the video game because it's hard no I want it to be interesting past 'alright you cycled through all the boss has within its first 50%'You know why, I don't know, Barb Extreme was so memorable? It doesn't really cycle anything to it's enrage until almost the VERY end. They HAVE the formula for this kind of design too, they've gone through three iterations of criterions. But to me, from what I've seen on the max difficulty settings, only the damage goes up right? This is what quantifies as interesting? How about the rehashed music? The arena? The lack of voice acting? Pardon me for wanting things to look a bit more inspired at times even if it's literally just using zeromus ex and a shitty looking version of it at thatI don't really need a tasteless troglodyte telling me what is and isn't good looking in this game at all and I probably do more than you ever will or have. Even when potd was pretty much just taking shit from tactics ogre I think it had more soul. Even Orthos. When I tell it's a boring execution boss it means the devs can put less effort into making more because it repeats quicker. There's no substance once you've completed the cycle. And considering the battle rotations tend to be basic as fuck, if you wanted to plan out certain button presses it tends to fall into the same timeline making everything feel rigid and predictable even more than it usually issorry I forgot I'm the doomer here being critical always equates to this when I'm speaking to secondaries like yourself
>>722832619
>>722832659predictabledon't let your brown skin dissuade you from garnering a proper response
>>722792865BANE?
Can't wait to come back in 7.55 and never be able to clear the new DD because it will be dead content by then.
>>7228329207.55? It will be dead in 2 months. Only way to play it by then is hope your friend will also resub at the same time...
what the fuck was his problem?
anyone has a link for the lahee remix
>>722833178this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbE6xVd-VkY
>>722832759lol u mad man
>>722833178Really like this for the PT bosses https://youtu.be/xuwbDXYknDE?si=mjTYGl6O0gGYvNjC
>>722774373It's not even as good as Stormblood.
>>7228315272.0
>>722833618Yep, I wasn't sure it was this one when I saw the upload date (I thought the remix was new, guess not). Thanks.>>722833889I'm super annoyed they slapped the generic ShB dungeon boss theme on the quantum.
>everyone hypes up OC>PT ends up saving the gamewhat a timeline
>>722832303Varis was legitimately fucking retarded though>We must fight the Ascians by doing exactly what they want us to do>I know they want us to do this because I have TWO Ascians whispering in my ears!>But we NEED to do what they say because surely we can oursmart them later on several generations from now>There are NO alternatives, even though I'm sitting across the table from someine who has personally killed two Ascians already within the span of like a year at most
>XIV pedos think they can hold a candle to BANILLAgit
>>722834520Because being less annoying is all DD needed. Aside from the fact that I get locked out of the last starting point if I forge an aetherpool grip
>>722834520seems like we go back and forth since ShB>deep dungeon will save the game>exploratory content will save the game
>>722834520PT is honestly just shitSE promised more open areas and how it would change how to play DD, meanwhile it's the same shit as ever and only last though the first 20 floors and then you're back to being mazed in a box.They went with the EO philosophy where the mobs auto attacks does jackshit to you, but they turned down the "everything else one shot you" so it just feels piss fucking easy.You get incenses off he wazoo too.Quantum is just insulting at this point, because beside offering fucking jackshit, SE decided to pollute your inventory with 7+ items needed for it.And don't let me fucking start on the MH Collab.I still can't warp my head around who the fuck was this created for.
>>722835180turns out that it doesn't matter what combat content you release, if the job design that players use to interface with combat content is fundamentally shit
>>722835230>SE promised more open areas and how it would change how to play DDWhere was this? I can't find any mention of that promise
>>722835230T. Got filtered by maliktender Everything you have said is wrong. Go to bed emetkun
>>722835658>Where was this? I can't find any mention of that promiseFamitsu interview
>>722835430You could make the best job design, if there is no content, it doesn't matter. The fight is good, but we'll be back to square one in two weeks when everyone will wait for the new shit to drop
>>722835679Which one?I foundhttps://www.famitsu.com/article/202507/48601But no mention of promising more open areas.
>>722836041He's shitposting, stop feeding him
>>722836159>>722835678>noooo stop criticizing poor Yoshi think of the COOOOOSTSmazed
>>722836159I haven't been keeping a close eye on the PR stuff so I was just trying to figure out if it was true.
*sleeves a fairy in your path*
>>722836360At least get your info right. You're no better than a Twitter post
>>722836385I can't find where I saw/read it, maybe it was a Mr.Happy video, I'm not sure anymore but I remember them clearly talking about how the areas will be bigger.
>>722830792Doesn't need fixing, needs all its hanger-ons and its dedicated haters to commit ritual suicide. Also needs 8.0 to be really good I guess, but that's a ways off, so that's not an immediate want.
>>722836861I do think it needs a big shakeup. With the jobs/combat, with the content release schedule. Its become stale to many players who have played for a long time. I still like the game, but my friend who I've played with since 2.0 stopped saying everything is too samey
how would (you) shake it up?what do (you) think needs to be done?
>>722834520OC is fun it’s just nothing to do after like 50+ hours
>>722837201I'm eager to see what they have on the roster for job reworks in 8.0 since Yoshida mentioned wanting to add another job gauge level subsystem to jobs>>722837204Yeah OC's only misstep I think was no Fork Tower normal difficulty and a convoluted entry method for it, a very large part of Bozja's repeatability and longevity is in CLL, Dalriada and Delubrum Reginae being accessible normal-difficulty raids with no bullshit to enter, just wait for the time window and pile in
>>722836984It doesn’t need too much of a shake up , the majority of ffxiv players don’t want stuff to change too much, only people I see that want it to change a lot are ex wow fags, streamers, and people who watch streamers
>>722774373>loved Shadowbringers>fucking years later, finally play through the OG Final Fantasy games>get to FF3>exit the starting cave>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79iWS0reUGA>soon realize that Shadowbringers is literally a FF3 prequelMan I wish I had played the FF games BEFORE XIV, instead of years after. Countless things went right over my head.
>hardest part of the DD solo is floor 10 bossBros I'm getting filtered
>>722837892>filtered by a gay bush
>>722837201 id like for them to stop promising things they need to just shut up and fix the game
>>722774373I fondly remember HW-ShB. I am content with 6.0 but dissappointed by 6.1-current. I think the game will never be fixed.
>>722837892Just get your aetherpool up and kill the adds asap
so when are they bringing back these 2 cuties?
>>722774373MMOs were a mistake, and so was SE making FF11 and 14 into ones.
>>722839964The amount of content they have to force people to complete to properly drag us all to the void is too much, it'll never happen properly.
>>722840560b-but it's just 1 raid series to get to know them....·´¯`(><)´¯`·.
>>722816737Doma side is actually the weaker half, the Steppe is just not well written as people make it out to be. Prettiest zone though.
>>722837892>he's doing tank solo when WF was BLM and EO designed for any job to clear with minimal issueAHAHHAHAHAHAHA PUSSY IS AFRAID OF SOME AUTOS
>>722840917But I just don't care about mhiggers
>>722841108Well tanks have it all with a stun and an interrupt and don’t die to lesser stuff and bosses but when you get to 60+ stones stuff just one shots you even as a tank. Was running it with fc mates last night and I was the test guy to see what stuff did
>>722840560They should just bite the bullet and be willing to go>The following chapters of the main story assume you have completed X story series. If you have not yet done so, it is recommended that you complete this story before continuing. It can be started with the quest "Y" found in Z.It would give them a lot more freedom in storytelling and avoid a lot of retarded shit. Like, I get they come up with excuses and explanations for shit, but it's still silly that Widargelt does NOTHING for Ala Mhigo and Gaius does NOTHING for Garlemald. More than that, it's lame for the people that are invested in those storylines, because the "I guess it makes sense they're not here" explanation is just less fun, engaging, and satisfying than having Gaius come full circle to help Eorzea liberate Garlemald. They were willing to bend shit for Estinien in HW and they were willing to force you to complete Crystal Tower, and we got fantastic storylines out of that. Clearly, they just need to force the retards that refuse to do content and story to either do it or deal with the fact that they'll lack context.
>mmo>where you mostly just play by yourself the entire time for the story >then sometimes with others for raidsnot a real mmoa real mmo has you interact with others especially strangers 24/7 in every mission
>Quantum 40 gives fuck allThey never learn.Dead content after the second day.At least the new DD is good for levelling combat jobs.
>>722774373Can MMOs ever make a comeback without a massive shift in our current technology? Do they have to get AIs involved to get an MMO even the least bit interesting anymore?
>>722841639>Widargelt does NOTHING for Ala Mhigo and Gaius does NOTHING for Garlemald.I thought their reasons for not being present on those two things were perfectly adequate
>>722841737But you have to interact with randoms for every dungeon, raid and trial
>>722842231VR like in Sword art online would revive it, but we're still years away from that type of tech
>>722842231MMOs desperately want to be action games but can't fully commit to it because of RPG trappings and the simple incompatibility of action games with high population counts without some pretty good server wizardry going on (WoW's engine still smokes the competition and honestly WoW would have died eons ago if it were just slightly worse to control), the logical end-point for them is Monster Hunter gathering hubs
>>722837775The fact that ffxiv is both standalone and a massive fan service reference to the old games it what makes it ascend to a higher tier of kino, when it’s naturally some of course I’m not just talking ooh the warring triad they have the same names I’m talking the knights of the round style. Shinryu and omega style. It’s actually part of why DT sucks. They had FFX right there on a platter and they went with FFIX instead, and FFIX isn’t even handled well. FFX has way more in common with ffxiv as a setting.
>>722842381>BRAPPPPwhat about normal quests
>>722827454bro what is the meme behind this dog lmfao
>>722843138Some bitch streamer tortures his dog live on stream with it's chock collar.
>>722843138the faggot in the pic is Hasanthe dog yelped randomly and it's believed the dog was electrocutedthat's all i know
>>722839523every time until you get sick of me
>>722843138>Streamer has dog>Makes the dog sit on a dog bed every day, all day while he streams>Gets mad when dog tries to walk around while he is streaming>Reaches off-camera and the dog yelps and goes back to the bed and lays down>claims the dog just got its dew claw caught on the bed, but when the dog yelps, he doesn't act concerned, he tells the dog to stop being a baby>People believe he shocked the dog with a shock collar
>>722843138Hasan Piker's dog got up from where it was laying on stream and he got pissed and pressed a button on something out-of-view, dog yelped very loudly and laid back down. Hasan swears it's a vibration collar, the pain reaction and immediate sit back down suggests it's a shock collar. Some people say he electric-taped the prongs over to hide his tracks, I haven't looked at footage closely. Vibration collars and shock collars look very similar. Giving his dog the ol' one-two-buckle-my-shoe just for standing up to leave the stream's viewing area is pretty career-ruining either way.
Hop on Bozja you fuggies. I need another law's order glam
>>722843545>he doesn’t already have all the dye able laws order
>>722843771I only grab relics when I get bored and start leveling a new job. I'm on SAM now after wasting last weekend in eureka to get the dyeable artifact armor.
this is the catgirl with tacos we should have had
>>722774373ignorance is bliss
>>722844218Nashu's bombs...
>>722844498
best hildy quest chain so far imho. worst part is is actually more interesting than 7.0
>>722844561gomenasorry i have a lot of tabs
>>722844652It happens
And then a brave anon took a deep breath, stepped into the thread, and posted the big dick single player MMO.
>>722844902Waiting for this to get out of EA. I had my eyes on this game for a while.
>>722844218big fat tacos so biiiiig
>>722825071this
I just want to cuddle cute viera buns
>>722844993There's a shitload of content already. A new class was recently added and there's a bunch of balance reworking going on right now with a Halloween zone opening next week. But I get wanting to wait for the full 1.0 thing. If you decide to pull the trigger. there's been 60+ updates since EA started and the game had 4 years of work behind it before EA.
>>722797792>>the controls, which are like if a race of insects designed a MMO interfaceThe bugmen did though?
>viera or miqote>heterochromia with thick rimmed glasses>2b leggings>some type of bra or bikini top>unnatural hair color (usually involves pink)oh yeah, its gamer time
>>722788849I really think Revolutions is one of the best songs in the game and immensely underrated. Susan Calloway's vocal performance is amazing and it's a fine Umetsu song.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk4xBUj30CU&list=RDrk4xBUj30CU&start_radio=1
The MHW event cutscenes were higher quality than anything we've seen in years besides cinematics. Wonder how much of the budget they are up.
>>722845751Yoshers mentioned they're gonna generally try harder on cutscenes and job interactions in them in the future after everybody creamed their jeans at 7.3 having unique job attacks in a cutsceneAs ever look to the beta test for future cutscenes, Hildibrand
Maybe it's becaude I did them so much later, but I legitimately think Coils is the best raid in XIV from a scale and visual standpoint and outside of Alexander the rest are massive downgrades.I'm fucking tired of standing in square and circle arenas.
>>722845481in my mind I replaced viera or miqote with femra and precum'd a little
>>722845630The overall concept of liberating this country that got absolutely fucking bottomed by the empire was a fun concept. The expansion dropped the ball too often than not unfortunately. The the post patch content and story was bretty gud from what I remember. Maybe I need to do a new game plus run to go through the storie(s) again.
>>722846141I completely agree and to me it's the only 'raid' in the entire game that feels like you're raiding a location. The other raids well maybe not so much Alexander as it has a little bit of that Coils raiding a location feeling but the others felt very bland as a raid set piece. They felt very instanced, very boring, I hate a single room either square or circle, a single boss, and mechanics are basically a memorisation game of Simon Says.
>>722846141I was rerunning the ivalice raids over the weekend and they were fun enough. Abosutely hated the neir dogass shit though.
>>722834772You, and most of the playerbase, are just retards who don't understand Varis. His plan is completely coherent and delivers what he desires for the world while also killing the Ascians.>Varis desires a world of unity, open borders, and no racism>he finds out that modern humanity is actually a broken form of a primordial unified humanity that embodies everything he desires>he's personally angry at his grandpa, an Ascian, for using him and causing so much evil>he realizes that a planet full of primordial supermen will be able to effortlessly kill his grandpa>thus, let the rejoinings happenYou all act like he's a complete batshit psycho babbling retarded nonsense, and I really just don't get how you can misunderstand a character so badly.
>>722832920Just solo it, it's literally built to be soloed. Deep dungeon is one of the few pieces of content you can never miss.
>>722813568So what is this thing in lore
Please for the love of God, no more kPop dogshit and no more tassels and tribal rags for every piece of gear
>>722846354I'm waiting until the free trial is expanded to Shadowbringers until I touch the game again then I can go through all of Stormblood post patch quests as well and into Shadowbringers. I'm with you though I think Stormblood is unduly hated and the concept is pretty fun, it's just the high fantasy concept of Heavensward with Dragons and the Church orthodox priesthood using prays to kill an Ascian, turning into demi-god primals themselves, all of that was so cool and Ishgard itself the setting was so cool it was very jarring to go from that to Stormblood.
>>722846437Varis is a moron who thinks the Ascians would engender a situation where there are billions of newly reformed supermen and like five of them.
>>722846874>Varis is a moron who thinks the Ascians would engender a situation where there are billions of newly reformed supermenBut... they would. That was part of the point, returning the Ancients. What Varis doesn't know is that not everyone will get mashed back into a superman because they don't have pre-sundering souls. Which is not stupidity, but a lack of relevant information.
>>722846437The problem isn't that he's babbling nonsense, it's that he's directly stating the same plan the Ascians have not realizing what it actually entails; more CalamitiesAllag literally ruled the world and they STILL got fucked in the end.He's trying to tackle an immortal plan with a mortal mindset, and in doing so is playing exactly into the Ascian's hands.Think of it from this standpoint; There's two Unsundered Ascians directly adjacent to Varis. If he was legitimately a threat to their plan, why would they leave him alive and not just quietly replace him?
>>722774735>jay wilson just copied his homework from daiblo 3Legion was a shitty clone and that fat loser got the final laugh.
>>722846969Varis should have enough context even from the tiny amount he was told to gather that they aren't going to rejoin him into a shadow wizard like themselves, that's dumb. Why would they engineer things to a position where they can be easily thwarted.
>>722846419I meant the 8-man raids, 24-mans have mostly gone up in quality.
>>722846643its a powerful voidsent that ate several sin eaters, most notably a forgiven obscenity which is probably the strongest form of non-lightwarden sin eater outside of hunt marksas to exactly how a voidsent ate a sin eater, how it came to be and when it appeared (as the final wing of PT is in lakeland, not il mheg) and if the sin eater is still 'alive' or not, i dunno
>>722846508Is it a miserable solo like the previous one?
>>722774373Thanks for the praise, I made that image.
>>722847273It's the easiest DD to solo, you keep getting OP junipers and votive buffs.
>>722847273the mob health and damage doesn't get spicy till floor 60, which is a good deal later than other DDs. feo ul's not-magicite has a floor clear, a sight/saftey/witching pomander that also unlocks the next level, and a full heal that doubles your max hp. it also has less 'bullshit that kills you in the next room'. in my times there's only 3-4 really bullshit mobs and only one has an aoe that it casts out of combat that wipes the room its in, forgiven corruption. and they'll stop casting if you smack them
>>722845481This but topless instead
>>722847050>it's that he's directly stating the same plan the Ascians have not realizing what it actually entails; more CalamitiesNo, he knows it would entail more Calamities, I'm pretty sure he mentions it outright.>If he was legitimately a threat to their plan, why would they leave him alive and not just quietly replace him?He's not trying to stop their plans. He agrees with their end goals, just not their methodology. And more importantly, he's angry at his grandpa and wants to punish him. But he only wants that punishment to happen afterwards.>>722847095They wouldn't be thwarted, what Varis has in mind is allowing their end goal to come into being because it's also what he wants. Only then would the unified mankind punish the Ascians.
>>722846437>Varis was the globalhomo all along
>>722847889Well yeah. Garlemald has always been an atheistic monoculture empire that wants to make other cultures bend the knee and accept air conditioning because they're mad about getting kicked out of 109 countries.
>>722843484Glad this faggot commie is finally being canceled.
>>722848561Idk, I doubt this is enough to completely cancel him. We'll see though. I wouldn't mind or care
>>722782265I beat Pilgrims Traverse, easiest DD and trying Quantum but there’s barely any parties up
this thread is doing gangbusters
>>722802116I need to accept im just a sweat because every set of ten floors I have people running through rooms hitting traps, tagging multiple mobs that kill them and waste pomandersI know it’s all easy but damn maybe there shouldve been more gatekeeping
>>722848918its the price you pay for being a pug star. being drama-free means you gotta deal with scrubs
>>722816737StB exs were ass except for Yotsuyu and ZenosEven Rathlos sucked
he really do be staring for those (you)s
>>722829147Added damage on certain attacks, debuff timers are shorter, mechanics have more parts (ex, more baits)
>>722832619Man you couldnt even get the boss model correct, it’s the Ultima Weapon model not ZeromusFucking dumbass, waste of a post
>>722837201they need to stop half-assing everythingI don't mind rotations, just make them not suck for 45s between cooldownsI don't mind FATEs, just make them more engagingI don't mind dungeons, just give me a difficulty that isn't either Sastasha or Savagealso the rewards for a lot of stuff suck ass, 420 FATEs for a rainbow umbrella is fucking retarded when the same umbrella- surprise surprise- is available on the mogstation for 15 dollarydoos
>>722849330whoops put ex instead of eg you will have to excuse this errorit's clearly referential
>BECOME WHAT YOU MUST>BECOME THE WARRIOR OF DARKNESS
>>722835230The inventory clog is unnecessary lol I agreeWhole thing doesn’t feel like DD until the mid 80sOrthos slapped my sack in the 30s
>>722839964We got them in 7.11
Someone has to tell Yoshi-P the harsh truth.That titles are worthless rewards.Giving a title for something as your reward is the same as getting nothing, no one cares about those and half the playerbase have those hidden anyways.
>>722849440It is eerily similar to Zeromus EG but the model still is the xiv Ultima Weapon, which would have been used if we ever got a Zeromus EG fight
>>722849783Titles can be worth it if they are really good but that’s too few and far between. Somehow they managed to land all the Ultimate titlesFor now…
>>722849864Nah, it's not Ultima Weapon's skeleton. Ultima Weapon has his hands facing upwards. I think it might be the FFX Ultima/Omega ported in.
>>722774373The new deep dungeon with the Shb music is getting me
>>722849783Mostly because casuals have no idea where titles come from, so you can show off your <Leader of the Pack> but nobody but gamers will know you were top1 in a Feast season.Maybe if inspecting showed the related achievement...
>>722849783>>722850305Nobody cares about titles no matter where they come from. If you wear titles for bragging points you're a fag. I just wear a really easy one because it fits my character.
>>722774373Final Fantasy (the franchise) peaked with Shadowbringers but FFXIV as a video game peaked in 2.1
The chairo is ready
I just zoned into Phaenna and had a sequential mission pop up before I even did anything. Do you not have to do sequentials one after the other anymore?
Rune knight when?
>>722851008Unfortunately cucked by DRK and GNB but maybe they'll add Runic as a skill to one of them. Runic on DRK would be kino actually since you could dump all your MP before a raidwide and then suck it back up to full.
>>722851008Never, they are going to make boring shit like Viper
Only one can save the game.
>>722851331Who's that?
>>722851097unfortunately that would be a fun and interesting mechanic and is strictly verboten by the parsefag illuminati, preasu andastando too hard to barance
pretty sure the trick to beating the maliktender is to go against the spin rather than with it
>>722851331>>722851382It was supposed to be HER turn...
>>722851328Viper really did look boring from the beginning. Even that reveal cinematic made it just look flimsy and weak
>>722851331Did you fix your bot script yet? A weird ritual to force when you don't even play the game anymore
>>722774373>>722788849Lmao this always makes me laugh because even these eras were an obviously streamlined version of an already streamlined WoW design. XIV and WoW are nowhere near being the peak of this series for anyone but tribalistic zoomers.
>>722851416Nigga just get inside the hitbox
wind up feo ul is made according to proper specifications, in case you were curious
>>722847889Not just globohomo but FALSE FLAG globohomo
>>722852146Heyyyy it's Guy Who Gets Insanely Upset When He Sees Krile how ya doin buddy
>blue protocol already flopped in less than 24 hourslmao
>>722857137I wonder where are all those people (or one guy) shilling that game are.
Guys....don't watch Pint's new video
I swear all Squeenix has to do is actually remaster FF11 with a modern engine, less ps2 spaghetti code and I would be back in an instant. Hell a lot of people I know say they love the idea of the game but can't get over the ps2 era visuals. FF14 looks mid compared to the early version of it, but I'm sure a new FF11 would actually surprise a lot of people.Would also fix a lot of the dumbass bugs and unnecessarily complicated bullshit too. Think of all the expansions they could have done with Vanadiel, because it was obvious they were no where even close to finishing since we didn't get to see the fullest version of the Far-East, nor a few other continents.
>>722858130I unfollowed all his stuff when he "came out" as trans.He is a chaser at best; just another woman fetishist (the kind that just goon to women so much that they become obsessed with becoming one, totally a lesbian btw! not just a fat fucking loser or in this case a scrawny pasty fugloid)I started to hate his streams when he was a sexpest to any woman on screen. A lot like j****t
>>722774373>midwit posters
>>722842372Like I said, their reasons were adequate.But that's not the point. The point is that it would be more interesting for a story to have them involved. Partially because their reason to not get involved was to avoid the complications and intrigue that would come from their involvement (and stories are built on complications). You could make an excuse for a lot of people to not get involved with anything, but that doesn't make for a more interesting story, it's just the writers coming up with an acceptable excuse to avoid having to reconcile optional content.It'd be like if Aymeric showed up in ARR's Paladin questline. So he's NOT present for Heavensward, even though he's the leader of Ishgard's knights, the son of the main antagonist, and should be responsible for the martial law. They could come up with a reasonable excuse (as the son of the evil pope, he removes himself from the situation to spare the people the drama), but it's not as interesting as it would be if he was involved. Heavensward realized that Estinien HAD to be there for the story so just told you to get fucked if you didn't know who he was.
>>722858169>unnecessarily complicated bullshit tooSo basically you just want FFXIV
>>722859346system criticism aka failed kiwi farmers pretending to be oldfags and ranting about troons and degens in The Community™
>>722842372>Gaius does NOTHING for Garlemald.I know I hate it.
come open trade with me if you want your own [isne fish]
They ruined pvp in DT
>>722859735buddy you're either a shadowbaby or a deranged fanboy if you think there aren't legitimate criticisms to be made about lameass job design or underwhelming content
>>722842372>>722859757Reminder that Fordola's VA said she recorded a ton of stuff for Endwalker and then she wasn't even there.
>>722860007good. fordola's arc ended in 5.55
>>722859886They sure did
>>722859439>jumps to full retardYes, I want 12345 combat and quest symbols, not the fact that there could be easier avenues to build parties apart from shouts with a simply designed system which FF14 has, or multiple tiers of battles so you can do smaller parties or full alliances for more drops. How about the bullshit that was RNG slot roll farming at the end of abyssea? That was so fun dumping millions of gil to get sometimes literally nothing but a complete waste of time.How about making it where some content like walk of echoes, besieged, and campaign still had some relevancy in end game? No? Nah I just want ff14, a game I haven't touched since Heavensward.
>>722859926there's plenty to make but it's meaningless coming from people that believe the VN portion of the game magically keeps that criticism at bay
>>722837369All the phantom jobs being incredibly boring to play was also a very big problem. The player power had been scaled down massively compared to Bozja where you could pull shit like reflecting stack markers to deal hundreds of thousands of damage back to a boss.
XIV would be instantly improved if they added Conquest to it.
>>722860007Fr? Was she a side character or something
FFXIV has always sucked and the first expansion was the only good one. FFXIV has been on a sharp decline since Shadowniggers. The writing for the game has always been exceedingly mediocre, and the combat only had one glimpse of brilliance before they completely gutted it. I am the only one in here willing to tell the truth.
>>722860282>where you could pull shit like reflecting stack markers to deal hundreds of thousands of damage back to a boss.They could have just put Reflect on Time Mage too, and they just didn't.
>>722860448>The writing for the game has always been exceedingly mediocreNo it wasn't, faggot. You wouldn't hold the media that you favor to the same standard you hold FFXIV so that you can declare its writing to be exceedingly mediocre. Most books in existence cannot match the quality of writing that can be found between ARR and Shadowbringers.
>>722860448What you said is an opinion
>>722860204I don't think you understand the point of the image
>>722860578it's a fucking dam allegory that ironically doesn't hold water
>>722859346>asmongold watches a video about midwits>see the word pop up everywhere
>>722860543> the quality of writing that can be found between ARR and Shadowbringers.lol, lmao. If you're trolling good one. If not I fear for how rapidly your brain is facing degradation. The worldbuilding in FFXIV wasn't too bad for a time, but the main plot itself is absolutely horrendous and always has been.
I'm very glad PT is good honestly. At least one decent thing for the expansion. OC being a complete dud is unfortunate, and i honestly cannot believe they thought it was a good idea to dedicate so many resources to the non-content that is cosmic exploration. So many resources spent to update content every single patch that just ammounts to a chat lobby where you stand still and craft, just like you could have done in Limsa. It's just baffling.
>>722860080>I JUST WANT A DUTY FINDERYeah so you just want wow, aka FFXIV>abysseaYou’re only further proving my goddamn point by mentioning the specific moment the game threw away its identity and also outing yourself as a babby
>>722860543anonhave you ever actually read a book
>>722860639>streamerbabby thinks asmongold invented words
>>722860543that you said media and not game has me worried you're being serious. you think 14 has good writing?
>>722860758books have shitty graphics compared to video games. therefore, video games are better
>tfw I unironically have been playing and enjoying WoW again because of DTStarting to realize I hate XIV raiding. That shit is so annoying to learn but satisfying to beat. WoW raids arent as satisfying to beat but not obnoxious to learn.
>>722860826the community is far, far worse at the game. seriously. you get 22 minute expert roulettes in ffxiv, but you may not be able to actually clear your heroic dungeon
>>722799329The mmorpg so "best" it needs to be shouted and repeated again and again
>>722860826The other problem is that DT basically only has raiding as real content. If you're a casual player who isn't extremely into crafting there's basically nothing to do in DT (which is why PT being good is such a big victory)
>>722860639federal agencies > /pol/ > /tv/ > twitter > impossibly angry russian and mexican children > back to /v/ > streamers > back to /v/ againthis is the internet politicker's catchphrase pipeline
>>722860638it's mocking the section of the community that will pretend the game is perfect because the story made them cry one timejust like the argument that pops up every thread about how Stormblood was "bad" because the story was a bit lame but Snoozewalker was "amazing" because the downie bird made me cry
>>722774735RNG legendaries ruined my raiding guild, you got benched if you didn't have legendaries or BIS because the content was so hard
>>722860992It's mocking a strawman, in other words.
>>722860669>duty finderYou do understand there is a tool for people to find eachother that isn't duty finder's automated process, yes? You fucking idiot.>You’re only further proving my goddamn point by mentioning the specific moment the game threw away its identity and also outing yourself as a babbySo talking about my experience through the age of the game from release onward means i'm a baby? Are you retarded? Did you not play the game after that where Seekers introduced awful mechanics that I mentioned? Were you one of those faggots that said "omg abyssea ruined the game!" because you couldn't just leech off of your shitty dynamis linkshell the whole time? Abyssea only killed leveling parties. I was there watching all of these dumb patches unfold. Now it's just Cap-point farming, which is basically the same 10 hour grind on the same enemy staring at a wall all day. I don't get what this has to do with wanting the game to be better but you do you I guess. The fact Abyssea even triggered you told me enough, you are just some salty retard that got mad their sought after 75 gear became worthless in a fucking online service video game.
As someone who slowly started to hate this game and quit like 5 years ago, it is extremely cathartic to finally see the game get what it deserves. A slow, painful death.
>>722860646You're just a spiteful cunt and a perfect example of a midwit.>>722860671I've read Moorcock, Eddings, Mc Carthy, Bakker and Wolfe among with many others that are not worth mentioning.>>722860758Yeah, 14 has good writing and good prose too on occasion. Most faggots that jerk off movies and books do not hold them to the same standards they hold videogames to as an entertainment medium because making fun of videogames as a storytelling medium is the favorite pastime of every pseudointellectual retard that likes to appear hip and cool and shit on videogames because they're "little kids toys". It also appeals to insecure retards that claim to only like things as a joke out of fear of being judged. Videogames have a much higher rate of success in entertainment and storytelling both as a medium. Superior to both movies and books, when executed correctly.
>>722861038just like every other image on the internet, yes
>>722774969>ruined jobsBut enough about stormblood.
>>722861109There's plenty of control freaks in a fandom that demand its death when they realize they aren't majority-rule
>>722861196>Yeah, 14 has good writing and good prose too on occasion
>>722859863last call. i got about 15 minutes
>>722861308the use of "sophistry" exploded across /v/ after 5.0, people liked it m8. sorry your butt hurts at the idea
>>722861260I want it to die not because I didn't get the things I want. I want it to die because nobody got anything they wanted, and the game instead decided to court a bunch of annoying, mentally ill trannies. I watched the community completely change right in front of my very eyes, and I saw the devs pivot away from what they did well before to appease the new community they thought would lead them to success. Sucks to suck, faggot.
>>722861402Sorry anon, he posted the laughing picture so he obviously won
>>722861428Yes I already understood you want it to die because you're a control freak and you realized you're not the audience. I said that already
>>722775223>millennials are now trying to claim Ragnarok for themselves zoomer game gramps
>>722861402the average /v/irgin is an illiterate brown child, that doesn't mean XIV is well written
>>722861402>/v/ got spammed with a word from the game>according to my expert metrics, this makes the writing in the game good
>>722861082Yes FFXI fundamentally stopped being the same game after abyssea.People stopped doing exp groups and rushed to 75 joining abyssea chest farms.You did not experience how FFXI was, its not your fault but you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>722860448>The writing for the game has always been exceedingly mediocreNot enough people say thisXIV has a decent setting but that's it, the rest is pretty mediocre, the gameplay itself puts a man to sleepOverall the game is probably one of the most overrated games around
>>722861529It's like you didn't even read the post. Not surprised I guess. Retards gonna retard.
I don't care, everything with Ardbert was pure kino from beginning to end. I don't think anything him passing on/assimilating back into your soul.
>>722859863Can I defile your thighs instead if I show up, I don't want the minion
>>722861782I would even go so far as saying XIV has a really good setting, really good world, great lore behind the scenes. But the writing of the MSQ has always been atrocious. XIV players will tell people to skip/rush past ARR and in the same breath tell you the writing isn't horrendous. HW was good and everything since then has been shounen anime slop that any young-20s weeb who has never read a book will eat up.
legion was peak for me. i liked the legendary system. i was a tank so they weren't that important so it was fun to get them, and also i got to witness dps and healers seethe about not getting their busted moonkin item for weeks which was hilarious.
>crying about anime and manga writing in a japanese game >on an otaku website Sad state of affairs for western pop culture when even the bottom of the barrel action shounen slop outperforms it on every metric from world to character writing. Considering action shounen slop can't even measure up to Sol romcoms.
>>722861709I actually did. I can vividly remember many names on the Titan server when I played. Again, the exp-groups have now turned into Cap-Points grinding. Abyssea level grinding literally didn't matter apart from make a ton of shit players level up classes they couldn't even understand, and were filtered by good linkshells anyway.Besides the point, I remember doing CoP before they nerfed the fuck out of it with some friends over a few weeks, as well as getting a bunch of older shit like Subduer, the Homam sets, doing Sky and Sea non-stop for months on end. I could go on, but clearly nothing said will change your mind as you are going to think you know anything about the game after you rage-quit in 2010 and probably think bullshit like HorizonXI is actually even anything close to the original game. Give me your player name, I'm wondering what classes you even made to 75.
>>722861082>i literally just want ffxi but with vertical gear progression>i want every new patch to introduce a brand new ilvlSo you just want ffxiv?
>>722861948>XIV players will tell people to skip/rush past ARR and in the same breath tell you the writing isn't horrendoussort of like>the community's so friendly to newbies!>that's why we need baby gates and unskippable cutscenes to keep people from yelling at you
>>722862139FFXI became that, you can be mad about it all you want, even 15 years after the fact. I would love to go back to the old school way, but again, some QOL features would make the game way better, and retards such as yourself instantly pivoting back to FF14 makes me consider not wanting to ever touch an online final fantasy ever again.>>722861709>>722862125btw, pic related
>>722862305>>the community's so friendly to newbies!This one has always been funny to me because I knew like 6 different autistic /v/irgins that every single day would queue experts, leveling, trials, etc, with DPS meters running and would just sit in discord posting DPS logs bitching about how shit randoms are. In between posting their characters and ERPing in /xivg/ of course.
>>722861082Leveling parties are literally the heart and soul of era FFXI. Without it its just a shell of its former self. Shame too cause they could have easily fixed it making abyssea have a higjer level requirement for entry. Like 70 or 65. Abyssea by itself was at least pretty interesting.The fact that you’re dissing the other anon because you’re okay with exp parties dying does infact imply that you do not actually care for what the game was and are infact a modern mmo player.FFXI wasn’t that different to FFXIV after abyssea and it got even worse after they introduced trusts>>722862125Im sorry but I don’t think you can claim you “experienced ffxi in its heyday” if you weren’t even there for EXP groups. Its also pretty dogshit of you to talk shit about something you never actually played. Level 75 wasn’t something you could do in a single day like abyssea let you.
>>722861082>>722862139To be fair FFXIV is a vertical game progression that also try to be horizontal for everything beside the gearing.Take Worlo for example, it's a pure vertical progrssion game, everything you do is endgame, everything else before endgame or the major patch don't exist or its needed for an event like mage tower, and they don't care if everything else is it is completely broken since it's just an event, because again only endgame matter.Now you check FFXIV, and even though you have a lv100 characters and in full BiS gear, if you do any roulette you can still be put in a 10 years old raid or dungeon that's still completely balanced and run often by players.They keep the old shit like Ultimate still working (barely but still) and even savage fight for no other reason that old stuff must be kept alive, like an horizontal game.If you think about it for 2sec, it's fucking stupid and probably require an incredible amount of dev power each expansion with massive fucking changes to be rebalanced and stuff but they still do it.
>>722862467That's so wrong in so many level.Anyone who have tried to do that would know how soul sucking it is to run dpsmeters in casual content because it show you how fucking awful the playerbase is and it's just soul crushing since you can't tell them anything in fear of getting reported and banned.
>>722862125>I wasnt there for original game release>i wasn’t there for roz>i wasn’t there for the massive exp nerf to 75 and it still took months>i wasn’t there for cop>i wasn’t there for toau>i wasn’t even there for wotg release>but I was there from the exact moment the game threw exp parties under the bus and I will claim I know how that was like because I got several jobs to 75 in a matter of days>i will also pretend to know what the balance of jobs was like at 75 cap and also claim I know all about how exp parties work and that they were worthless>i will accuse this random anon about crying about dynamis and level 75 cap gear completely unpromptedI could give two shits about 75 gear anon. What bothers me only a handful of things but they are significant enough for me to not care for the game anymore, level 40+ sub jobs, ilvl gear, the death of exp parties and powercreep in general.Safe to say I do not want the FFXI (you) experienced.
>>722862613>if you do any roulette you can still be put in a 10 years old raid or dungeon that's still completely balanced and run often by players.>If you think about it for 2sec, it's fucking stupid and probably require an incredible amount of dev power each expansion with massive fucking changes to be rebalanced and stuff but they still do it.wtf are you talking about? old content has literally never been "rebalanced" or adjusted at all with higher lvl players coming in to facestomp it. all you do is get lvl synced
>>722862572>Leveling parties are literally the heart and soul of era FFXI.Yeah, until you got into your end-game linkshell then your focus was that instead. > Shame too cause they could have easily fixed it making abyssea have a higjer level requirement for entry. Like 70 or 65. Abyssea by itself was at least pretty interesting.This is something we both agree on, and it's true. I still have no idea why they let lowlevel players into it, but you can blame Squeenix for that.>The fact that you’re dissing the other anon because you’re okay with exp parties dying does infact imply that you do not actually care for what the game was and are infact a modern mmo player.Nice try, current day Cap-Points parties are very similar to this, but it doesn't matter. Look at the pic I posted in >>722862421. You just have no idea, but I know most old FFXI players still seethe at Abyssea. I had a lot of fun 6 manning shit with friends during that time, so it didn't anger me as much. Did I get annoyed when all my homam shit became obsolete? Yeah, but I still played the damn game up until 2022 with some on and off breaks.Retards like >>722862854just make it impossible to improve the game because they are stuck in this idea that the game has to be an ancient slow mess of tedious bullshit. What would make you change your mind? a pic of my fucking receipt and FFXI box? I gave you a screenshot from the damn auction house site from a dead server. You have no clue about my experience in the game, you are just talking out of your ass because you think you can score brownie points with some randos online.
They should just covert it fully into a single player experience. Since 99.9% of the player base sees it as asingle player jrpg first and foremost. The forced engagement with human players is just something to be tolerated
>>722862613>probably require an incredible amount of dev power each expansion with massive fucking changes to be rebalanced and stuff but they still do itanon I don't think they've ever changed how level sync works outside of SB retooling stats and ShB dropping beltswhich is why most old content is limpdicked as fuck compared to what it was back in the day
>>722862920SB to ShB had many stuff needed to be rebalanced because of the loss of many skills and the simple execution of threat management.ShB to EW, basically fucking everything post EW needed to be rebalanced because of the stats squish and they had to introduce a new form of Echo boost for doing old content solo.Even as earlier as fucking DT with the introduction of PCT they had to do a lot of threat management changes because of PCT doing too much fucking damage in their opener.
>>722863191you're conflating basic game/stat systems being rebalanced in the entire game moving forward to old content being changed. the old instances literally, and I mean literally, have never once been numerically tuned or balanced in the way you're talking about. 99% of instanced dungeons and raids go completely untouched after being released in this game, unless to fix obvious bugs or to nerf raids (rarely happens anymore)
>>722863052CP parties are not the same thing. There is so much fucking powercreep like level 50+ sub jobs now that every class has the same overall tools and there is so much damage stacking most classes can do capped damage.Seriously anon fuck (you). Retail players are always the most obnoxious. You will never fucking understand. If people didn’t like the “slow tedious bullshit” you never even had a chance to experience then private servers wouldn’t exist for any fucking mmo.Get over yourself faggot.
Really loved that this thread devolved into 3 old ass faggots measuring dicks about how old they are for several hours. Just go play XI, old fucks. Go on to a private server and go play it the old way you love.
>>722834520PT is "good" because anyone can solo it now and feel included. Being a Necromancer back in the day was the supreme achievement, Legends and Diamond Wolves bowed to Necromancer. Nowadays soloing a DD is the same as fishing, its just something you do when youre bored. No quick-thinking, no skill display.
>>722863393>Get over yourself faggot.Look up what similar means in the dictionary. You can stay mad all you want, it's never coming back. I hate that it won't too but lashing out at me won't change it.You need to get over it already, it's been years. CP parties are the "new" xp grind because salty players such as yourself cried to high-heaven for the feeling to come back, and this was the mediocre compromise to try and keep players. I literally don't care what the game has become at this point, as my original point was to make a remastered version of FFXI, and to fix the unnecessary changes and quality of life to make it tolerable. I get it, you wasted hours and hours killing mandies, lizards, and crabs to hit 75, but the fact remains is no one gives a shit. It was just a means to an end, the end getting 75. Took me a year to get DRK as my first 75, then a few others a few months after.The game has changed, yeah no shit, but what can you do?
>>722863446but if they unsub from ff11 they'll lose their youth that they've been renting for the last 20 years
>>722863446The sad part is one anon just wanted to get an updated version of the old game while the other chimed in about his pissed off jilted love for a corpse.
>>722862613>that also try to be horizontal for everything beside the gearingLmao in what fucking way
Is this just revisionism at work? Back then, wasn’t Shadowbringers seen as the weakest expansion because of the COVID delays and the long content drought?Yeah, the MSQ was excellent, but everything outside of that felt pretty abysmal.Personally, I still think the game peaked with Heavensward. Stormblood’s MSQ was weak, but it revived raids, PvP, and other systems that had nearly died in Heavensward. I get why some people argue for Stormblood as the best. But Shadowbringers? That one I just don’t get.
Can't believe Stormblood was actually the peak of XIV in terms of content.
>>722863987It was seen as potentially slipping until once again launch story of the new expansion (EW) made everyone forget about that complaint till the end of EW itself. Dawntrail's MSQ sucked so much ass people just quickly reacted by shitting on the content instead of waiting a few patches.
>>722863987The patches were generally ok but the story in the patches were weak (even if everyone gushing about last-minut plot relevance for Elidibus), Shiva for 8 months was certainly something, bozja was viewed as step forward and step back from Eureka. The people fellating XIV now were still starting the free trial after it got updated and weren't too annoying yet so that's probably why it feels like revisionism.
>>722863958tl;dr since you cant read (typical american)>other game 100% on vertical gearing keep old shit dead and only focus on new content>xiv keep old shit alive and is closer to a horizontal game despise being a vertical progression gamebasically think more osrs, less wow.
>>722863869I’m not gonna entertain your pretentiousness any further. You are going to have to cope with the fact that yes people have different tastes than you and that an audience exists for that slow tedious bullshit you hate. You and I don’t want the same thing. Now fuck off.
>>722864174It always was. After Eden Gate and TEA, SHB gameplay cracks really showed.
>>722864310>SEAtrash are americans now Wild times.
Why the FUCK does it not let you start on the last 10 floors with a matched party. You start with 0 poms so it makes no fucking difference, you're wasting my life forcing me to do 20 boring ass floors to get there for no reason. This shit is infuriating, I never bothered with a DD before and I don't think will again in the future.
>>722864301So... you’re saying most people judge an expansion’s quality only by its MSQ....?
>>722864310>xiv keep old shit aliveold content is literally completely abandoned and worthless in xiv though lol why do you keep saying this
>>722864535They literally made 3 more checkpoints for people like you and it's still not enough lol. You weren't gonna clear anyways.
>>722864310There is no horizontal nature to FFXIV anon.People doing roulettes so newer players can get people to do old content they are stuck in does not suddenly make the game “mostly horizontal”.Horizontal purely refers to the gear and questing progression. You never return to older areas to explore or gather in them, everything is synced and instanced, nothing in the overworld poses a threat to you
>>722864310you know WoW has synced leveling dungeons too rightlike yeah it's kinda neat you can go back and do old Savage raids synced, but let's not act like that's a typical experience
>>722864608Sorry, I meant this >>722864190
>>722864535So true!!! Fuck it, they should let me queue right into the finished boss fight! Why are they wasting my time with this shitty fucking gameplay when I just want the tomestones?!
>>722864353The fact you just cried about the leveling just makes me wonder if you even did any event based content at all. Yeah we get it, you like to autismo level grind. You told us already. What did you even do beyond watching paint dry for 8 hours at a time with your LFG flag up?Good luck finding something to fill the hole left in your heart that Squeenix ripped out, faggot.
>>722864174I miss tank stance dancing.as a SCH main in HW, I also absolutely fucking miss cleric stance, and having to juggle 5 dots + broil while keeping the tank and raid alive.
>>722864608That's been the case specifically since SHB, before 5.0 the game was judged in parts but after SHB it became story-only review.
>>722864635I already cleared floor 100 though, I'm trying to get the stupid accessory mount before the content dies in DF. I don't really understand what I said that was so wrong, 71-90 is probably the most boring stretch of the whole thing and it's the party you have repeat the most.
>>722864854Nigger, you used to have to do 31-100 for each accessory. You're crying about it being made EVEN EASIER. Never mind you can just solo it if you really wanted so no, it's never going to be dead content. Your just a casual crybaby who wants everything handed to him.
>>722865000do you actually think those floors are difficult? bro you can't be calling other people casual in that case
>>722865287Illiterate, you completely misread my post. >he whines 71-100 takes too long>say it was made easier in PT because previously the only checkpoint in older DD was 31/100 (or 51/200 in POTD)
Really sad what XIV threads have become. Dawntrail wasn't even that bad
>>722864656fuck you, you stupid fucking cunt.how do you read >"closer to a horizontal game despise being a vertical progression game"and summarize it to >“mostly horizontal”.you disingenuous fucki never said xiv is a horitzontal progression and gearing game.I said it's closer TO ONE.In plain english.stop trying to reach out to "own me" or some stupid shit like this and try discussion things like a normal human being.Also of course you go back to older areas to gather in term, some newer crafting stuff especially for ALC and CUL often ask for older stuff that are either commonly gathered or even (but rarely) on a timed node.Just recently for one of the 7.2 raid food you needed Lemonette from ShB Areas.Or even for mate cookie the staple food for most of the jobs you need rye from EW and fucking cinammon for ARR areas.
>>722862613>irrelevant, lustful time wasting post unrelated
>>722865593EW threads were unusable from day 1. DT threads at least make people talk about older expansions
Hahaha… but seriously I’m no longer asking join bozja
>>722864843I see...God, I feel so fucking old.I remember when the story was just background flavor and people judged the expansion on the actual content.
>>722774373MMO's peaked in 2005.
>>722865787It didn't help SHB enforced the idea with trusts either, but there's no going back.
>>722865593>Dawntrail wasn't even that badt. Story skippers who didn't read anything at all If you cared about the lore of the game or the storywritting and owned all the lorebooks and everything DT would feel like you're being shat on and everyone else trying to gaslight you its not actual shit, its incensed turd.
>>722865892This but EW onward. Only reason I don't hate DT more is because EW dulled me out, I simply had no energy to care by the time Wuk shoved her ugly face on my screen because the damage was done.
i started playing a few months before endwalker came out, threads like this make me wish i started playing a few years earlier even if ive enjoyed the point at which i started
>>722865787Im really curious about when you started playing because even back in HW, 3.0 even, people talked to me about how the story was amazing, the voice actors incredible, and it was a massive step up from ARR and should definitively give it another try.
>>722866132Hell I started when SB released and wished I was around for ARR and HW.
>>722862613>if you do any roulette you can still be put in a 10 years old raid or dungeon that's still completely balanced and run often by players.Horseshit. Any content introduced before a .4 or .5 patch is completely faceroll because of both ilvl synchs being too high and the natural power creep in the game. When I call the majority of the F2P experience a collection of different looking Cape Westwinds I bloody well know what I'm talking about.The fights used to be good when you actually saw fucking mechanics, now you just skip right past most of them. Hell, most of the .4 and .5 patch content is still too god damn easy thanks to power creep from new jobs/reworks and still partly busted ilvl synchs.5.0 final trial at release and comparative to now is shite and ruins the experience. Hell, the 5.0 trial after 5.4 or .5 dropped was horseshit, not as bad as now but still bad.
The MSQ and Wuk Lamat are the minor problems of Dawntrail>Almost zero ideas for new content, their new ideas for old content is "savage for alliance raid and savage for Deep Dungeon.">Casual content almost no existent>Casual content you complete in a week>Longest time between patches>Not interesting rewards
>>722866593Yeah but no one is gonna hear it because those bulletpoints were already brought up in SHB and EW but devs did not listen and will never listen at this point. All they do is slap in more slop rewards like minions and portraits and think that fixes things.
>>722866162NO one has ever said the mainline JP actors were bad. The top talent has been praised by everyone from day one.
>>722866593CODCAR was amazing both in term of the fight and reward design.Moonstuff is basically an upgraded and less painful ishgard restoration and what casual wanted.Crescent isles is complete shit, but the phantom job system is cool, FT entry point is complete shit, but the fight themselves are cool especially with the phantom jobs.DT is simply SB on steroid, even the DD and MB collabs are better.
>>722863987ShB only gets fellated by storyfags and newfags that started playing at the end of SB or ShB because they bought into the hype storyfags were making>HWGood first expac, the only bad part of it was the launch because the devs took a break for multiple months so there was a content drought and raidfags got buckbroken by Gordias but Midas and Creator were still good.Jobs were fun, side content was good, PVP was fun, there was still social interaction24man raid was also forgettable but people don't care because Scathatch was hot>SBBad story, started the trend of neutering jobs, but all side content and raid content was goodNew modes were well received and returning ones got improved.Hype status maintained, FFXIV keeps growing, and everyone's hopeful for the future>ShBInitial hype was through the roof thanks to SBGreat story but side content worsens, jobs are neutered even more, job identity starts getting removed from the level of neutering and removal of job quests.The laziness of the devs is becoming more apparent with how Viera were handled and how we're now starting to get LESS content in the updates.Raids and ultimates still well received, some side content is hit or miss, the drought doesn't helpCOVID fucks development but people still remain hopeful because HW and SB were good.Lots of new blood is joining the game at this point but the people playing since ARR can see the writing on the wall (and some of them were the complainers of what SB ruined from HW like DRKfags)>Post-ShBWe all know how things started going downhill here.Story doesn't hit the same as before, the side content is of a noticeably lower quality, more dev laziness, more unwanted job neutering and erasure of job identity, raidfags are getting bored of savage and only care for ultimatesDT and Wuk Lamat are just the straw that broke the camel's back
>>722866895And that's great for people who played with JP but the friends who told me to play during 3.0 all played with English and so did I.The swap from ARR to HW when it comes to the English VA was a tremendous success and one of the reason people told me to play it.Honestly I can't believe Kate forced SE to go back to American VA, she either has massive dirt on the team or they are just plain fucking stupid but it's a discussion for another time.
>>722866963>24man raid was also forgettable but people don't care because Scathatch was hotThe only forgettable 24man raid was the first one.Ayone who did WIPING CITY day one would tell you stories about Forgall and Ozma and how many fucking abandons they had on it.Shit, I still have tank friends who played back then that remember how Dung Scat destroyed tanks back then.To this day I still have my macro for Dung scat explaining Scathach and Diablos.
>>722861428Unrelated but damn. I'm going through the same thing except the company is doing better for it
>>722866593This. They completely killed midcore.
>>722867574>WIPING CITY Wiping City was overexaggerated, Ozma did wipe parties and was easily the hardest and most memorable boss of the HW 24man but that's just because of how retarded the average player is.After Wiping City stopped being relevant to run, it just became a boss where you expect a couple retards to die and rez.Most people remember Ozma because the black hole setpiece is cool and retards keep moving on the accel bombsDiablos was a meme raid, nobody talked about it after it stopped being relevant, and the only things people say about it are: the dragonball beam struggle is cool, Scathatch is hot, and proto ultima was neat.It's remembered for Scathatch not for Diablo, which is also why people cared about her minionThe HW 24man is definitely forgettable overall which's why nobody talks about it anymore, the only talking points are Scathatch and Ozma, but you still see people talk about the SB Ivalice 24man and those raids still had retard farms like Ozma wasRemember the robot? Remember how multiple parties WIPED because they cannot do basic math? Oh man I rememberThen retards keep wiping to Ultima and Cid. The Ivalice 24man had more retard checks than the basicass Ozma fightThe BA Ozma was better
>>722866593The definition of "casual" content is such an inconsistent joke because "casuals" can never specify what makes it casual. Casuals whine and complain that grindy content takes way too long, that they're dads that can only play 30 minutes a month, so relics steps only take a few days of very light gameplay at most. Casuals get a very casual crafting area that is still ongoing, but none of them are there doing it. Casuals get new extremes and normal modes, but scream when the fight puts up any form difficulty in front of them. In this very thread you have a casual complaining that Deep Dungeon is both too boring, too grindy, and needs more shortcuts so he can finish it faster. At least hardcore players know what they want, and it's just hard fights.
>>722866162And you're right. I started with the beta, dropped the game during the 1.0 launch month, and came back around 2.2 at a friend’s request. Back then, nobody cared about the story at all... basically zero percent. For me, Heavensward was the peak, because that’s when people actually started praising the story a lot. But even then, it wasn’t the main focus.But I'm just saying that the expansion offered way more than just story, and even if the MSQ had been weak, it still would’ve been a 10/10 expansion because it was packed with content.
You guys are so OLD
>>722868664Casuals don't exist, hardcore players bitching about casuals holding them back do
how do people play maplestory? on a controller? ive been looking at mmos to play since blue protocol was a huge letdown and this game kinda stuck outalso interested in mabinogi
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>>722869184Meppusutori is more like a six-button MMO than anything, played almost entirely with keyboard unless you're menuing
>>722869265what an ugly creature
