>>722802673Jews
The same EGS shill has been spamming threads for the past week.
>>722802673Because digital software can't be owned
>>722803001EGS is another PC storefront, right? Yeah they're then same then.
>>722803064>they're then same thenSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>722803017>Zoomie didn't exist when local programs were mere ubiquitous and when cd roms existed
>To my son...my Steam account credentials and Steam Guard authenticatorWhat's wrong with doing this?
>>722803087Fuck off zoomer memelord
>>722803109you didn't own that software either, just had a license
>>722802673Because they'd have to spend so much more on fraud detection and fraud complaints if they allowed steam account trading and for no profit.
>>722803114If you're relatively close to your kid (geography/location wise) and he doesn't try to update the account's profile info, it should work for a long while. Maybe updating the payment options in the profile might give him away
>>722802673It's teaching you a lesson about nepotism
>>722802673How exactly are they stopping you from doing this?
>hey son, here's my email and passwordwhat exactly is the problem here? Is your steam account connected to your social security number and gets updated by the government to snoop through your birth and death certificates?
>>722806045There isn't a digital platform that exists that lets you transfer your games to someone else. This is because you can't own digital games.
>>722806181but you're giving your account to someone else, there is no legal way to enforce this you can literally just give someone your account like that and they can't/won't do shit unless you put it in a will that steam has to enforce it
>write down account details on a piece of paper>give it to who you wantthat was hard
>>722802673Because it's a genuine security exploit opening itself up to widespread fraud? Someone else can make up some bullshit to steal somebody's account. If you're going to die and give your digital vidya collection away, then just write down your details or some shit, and then make sure that is also secure.Dumbest fucking board.
>>722803231I can't imagine the first point will be a problem provided the login isn't bouncing around every few days.People move. Who are they to say that 75 year old Anon McChucklefuck didn't decide to pull up stakes from Florida and move to Wyoming on a whim of his Golden Years, and keep kicking for another 30 years?
>>722806270And then the account remains in a perpetual stasis because only the account owner can buy anything for that account.
>>722806772then make a new account and buy shit from there
>>722806998Or just never give steam money and pirate everything
>>722806772>only the account owner can buy anything for that account.wat?if you give someone your account they are the owner now how is that an issue
Literally what's to stop someone from giving the log in info to someone Like I don't see any possible way they could say "you are not the original owner of this account" unless you actually tell people it didn't originally belong to you And even then unless you actually push it in steams face I don't think they would even care enough to do anything about itLike legit what would even prevent anything like this?>Account info I've changed that shit all the time for shits and giggles and nothing has happened>LocationPeople move doubt it could be used >Payment info Again I don't see how changing that could effect it also worse case just buy steam money from stores
>>722806181There isn't a digital platform that exists that punishes you for simply letting another person use your account
>>722802673>gaben, my dad very die kurwa, please give пapить account to me credentialsuse your brain, anon.
>>722806181>you can't own digital gamesOk, cool. This means nothing to me
>>722807330Sounds like you're happy
>>722807120passing on a hard drive would seem more badass in comparison anyways
>>722806181Digital games aren't what's being transferred here, it's an account. Licenses to play digital games are tied to an account. You own your account, and the licenses you have purchased to play digital games.
>6.7 Right to Post-Mortem Control of Your Personal Data>If French data protection legislation is applicable to you, you have the right to establish guidelines for the preservation, the deletion and the transmission of Personal Data after your death in accordance with article 40-1 of the Act No 78-17 of 6 January 1978 on Information, Technology, Data Files and Civil Liberties.Steam does allow that. But only if you live in France.
>>722807168>what would even prevent anything like this?terminal case of burgerbrain that scares idiots into compliance with unenforceable EULAs or some shit
What happens in a hundred years or so when we have steam accounts older than the oldest living human?
>>722807961That's a problem for future Valve to figure out. It's kind of like how the current extension of popular culture into digital media, which is highly preservable, is intriguing for future generations. Will there still be Mario, Sonic, Final Fantasy, etc games in the future? In 100 years, will the people then still play Final Fantasy VII, a game that came out a century ago?
>>722802673is it even enforced? how does steam know if i'm dead. more importantly, how are they going to stop me from dumping the files onto a hard drive? They're already on my computer
>>722807961I think after a while without use the account simply get disabled and your games get lost to time
You don't input your ID or your legal name on the account creation menu, there is no way they can legally confirm or deny that somebody is the "true" account owner. The account owner for Steam is a person thats currently in posession of this account, with external evidence enough to proof he was the one who registered it initially. Therefore, with this evidence you can safely give your account to somebody else. This is like owning a home in wild west without any documents - you've settled here first, you built the house, therefore it belongs to you, and will to your son>change your phone number>change your email>give your first CD Steam key as the ultimate proofIt was probably included in the license agreement to avoid any potential legal retardness that comes with account transfership and digital property across many countries
>>722807450I've got enough money that I don't need to sell my games so there's nothing in it for me
It's because actual inheritance laws are a massive fucking can of worms. Much easier for everyone if it was done on a don't ask don't tell basis
>>722806181>>722806772I get that this is a stimming ritual for your autistic ass but are you also legitimately this fucking retarded?
>>722808068media gets lost all the time. more popular media will last longer, but it is shockingly easy for many games to become lost. people are very comfortable with deleting mediapeople will probably play final fantasy VII in 100 years the same way that people watch charlie chaplin films today, but people will not be playing Steam World Dig 2 the same way people don't watch Corazon Aymara todayIf a store stops distributing a game that nobody really cares about or feels nostalgic for, it won't be preserved. Most copies that would be floating around on random computers will decay over time, way faster than a book would. HDDs only last about 20 years at best before stored code stops executing. SSDs probably have similar issues. Even cult classics probably will be lost to time once all the people who played them as kids have died
>>722802673They'd have to get every studio to agree that games can be transferred to others.
>>722806181You can't own physical games either. You are buying a license to use the software subject to terms and conditions. The physical disc is just for convenience, it's actually illegal for you to use it if you violate the EULA.
>>722808539>If a store stops distributing a game that nobody really cares about or feels nostalgic for, it won't be preservedThat would be an issue if not for the fact that we have dedicated preservationalists, digital stores to easily resell old games unto eternity, and capitalist companies very interested in making sure they're still making money off all the products they've ever made. The only true lost media nowadays is stuff that was lost before the internet found its place in society, and only existed offline.
>>722808189I'll take that as a yes
>>722803191Are you dense? Yes, that person does own the game on the disc even if the cd key is over used. It’s called find the crack onlinet. own a physical copy halo ce and halo 2 vista
>>722808539ROMs are sort of an exception. In practice, disks tend to wear out quickly but if they are left unused for a long time there's nothing that would passively cause data loss. Paradoxically, in 150 years, the boy with the blob for the Wii will probably be easier to bring back from the dead than the much more popular game Balatro, which is exclusively stored digitally it doesn't really matter though. nobody will give a shit about most of these games in 30 years. Played any Daytona USA lately?
>>722808376Just stating facts>>722808681>You can't own physical games either.This is a lie.
>>722808726You're right. I'd rather control my software than own it
>>722808681Another lie. I used a physical copy for shadps4. All I had to do was make pkg file for it and put it on a usb.
>>722808849>>722808787Possession is not the same thing as ownership
>>722808945if you want to discuss semantics philosophy you should go to /b/ and talk about whether traps are gayif someone has something, they can use it. that's what matters here
>>722808945I know
I'm pretty sure you could easily just make another account and setup family sharing with the old one. All I had to do with my brother was have him come over with his Steam Deck once, set everything up, and that was it. It's never had any problems since despite living an hour or so away.
>>722808808You never had a choice in the matter
>>722802673It's pure legal bullshit. You cannot transfer your account or games as inheritance because you do not own them. You can still transfer it informally without any problems, it just prevents you from including it in your will which would create a lot of problems for Valve.
>>722808690that's a good point but i still think the data will be lost surprisingly quickly. people overestimate the longevity of digital storesmedia preservers preserve what matters to them first. once a game doesn't matter to them anymore, they'll focus on the things that do matter to them. I would not at all be surprised if it only takes 2 or 3 generations of people for many of the less popular games to be forgotten. And once digital stores are forgotten, they become lossy
>>722809037>if someone has something, they can use itThat's the point I'm making, people who repeat "YOU CAN"T OWN DIGITAL GAMES IT"S JUST A LICENSE" are just playing word games. Most software is sold as a license regardless of how it's distributed.
>>722802673because you don't own the games on steam, you own a license and Steam can't transfer that license to someone elseso write the password down, the email password and the Steam Guard authenticator lost code if you have any, that's it, Valve won't care if your account is 100 years old
i will not buy the flopitch 2
What stops me from giving my daughter the account and pass and registering my wife's or mom's or the daughter's or whoever else's credit card number as payment, so they could buy a game for ne as a gift or whatever? Steam can't know I'm giving her the account
>>722809097i set up family sharing with someone across the country by giving them my account info so they could just log in for a sec to enable it
>>722809475I did it with friends.
>>722809320Nah you're a moron. All formats of software are licenses. Difference is that all digital software are non transferrable licenses, meaning you don't own the software. Saying software is a license to counter this fact is just pure semantics bullshit because transferrable licenses, AKA physical games, are ownership.
>>722802673same reason email services, boorus, and forums don't let you inherit accounts: it's effectively completely allowed since they don't bother with outlawing it because actually setting up inheritance of those things is a bit of a hassle and if they did care to stop it they'd have to do a lot more work for zero practical benefit.>source: shared a steam account with my brothers for a good 10 fucking years, which is essentially the same thing and gaben never really cared
>>722802673>Here, son, my account and password>Feel free to play the porn games tooWhat steam going to do?
>>722809692I can transfer digital games too just by giving someone else my account details or if there's no DRM I can just make a copy. Physical games have advantages like sometimes being easily transferable but it has nothing to do with technical legal ownership, it's just a stupid buzzword that retards like you latch onto.
>>722809692No you don't own the games. Just the right to install and execute and play.You can't claim the assets as yours, add a line of code then claim that you made that game. Even Crysis states in their EULA you will face consequences if they catch you reverse engineering their game.>if store goes down you can't access gamesSo does your physical copy once it degrades and the company that made the game goes bankrupt or stops making the games entirely.The real game owners are pirates. Physicalfaggots boasting about their superior rights is actually just boasting about how retarded they are and it's funny.
>>722810372>right to execute and playNot the case due to always online games existing.
>>722810354>I can own a ferarri, see look this is my dads ferarri he lets me use
>>722810372>No you don't own the games. Just the right to install and execute and play and transfer, granting me ownership of the software.
>>722802673>watch a movie>after it finishes give the ticket to your son
>>722806045If you contsct customer support.
>graduate from college>give your diploma to your son
>>722802673Gayben Logay Jewnell The First
>>722802673because you don't own those games. the permission to download and play are entitled only to you this is the future of every product... even cars and houses
>get elected president>handoff the position to your son
>>722802673Well, that's not true. I gave my old steam account to my younger brother over 15 years ago.
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>>722802673>SAAR! SAAR GABEN, PLEASE REDEEM ANOTHER SECURITY VULNERABILITY TO ACCOUNT MANAGEMENTS SAAR!>SAAR, WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW GET THOSE 2K WORTH OF GAMES TO RAJEETNET AND SELL THEM FOR CENTS SAAR.>SAAR PLS, THINK OF THE INHERITORS.
>>722807450>anon thinks ownership and happiness are mutually exclusive Sad way to live, especially since everything is ephemeral and death is inevitable.
>>722811791When your (or a nationwide median) social score or citizenship behavior doesn't meet a certain government's criteria in the near future, feel free to lose access to all those things you don't really have ownership. I hope you (or everyone) will be happy.
>>722812231I live a pretty comfortable life and honestly couldn’t care less. Sucks to suck, I guess.
>>722812575Egocentric and egoist mindsetTypical normalfag npcThe castle, uphill, always falls, buddy. No matter how thick and high the walls.
>>722812804Yeah, that’s part of the reason why I don’t piss myself when it comes to ownership. Everything is ephemeral, anon. Even peace and ownership.
>>722810258Even better: add the accout to a family so you can access them all from a single account.
>>722802673Bros.... All of you have kids already? I'm still in my early 30s alone..
>>722814558Turned 34 in August, no chance I’m having kids any time soon. Doesn’t bother me much. Still working on a career— kids aren’t something I’m worried about having until then.
>>722806181meanwhile been using my friend's steam account since 2013like so many other things trivial valve is not gonna waste time enforcing it
>>722808772How is having a crack and a disc different to having a crack and the digital files for the game downloaded?
>>722808787>Just stating factsYou can change the card with which you are paying for vidya, anon
>>722803114>sir, this account has been active for 150 years already. is this normal?
>>722802673What exactly is stopping me fromA.Giving all account info to my sonB.Adding my son to the family plan so he can play all games
>>722814895I already told them I was over 100 years old when I signed up.https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-games/worlds-oldest-gamer-man-reportedly-born-january-1-1900/
>>722802673gaben? more like GAYben
wtf do you mean 'allow it'How would they stop it or even know
>>722807280nice xenophobic quips Abdul, make sure to avoid no go zones next time you go outside
>>722802673>son, here's my account and passwordIt's that easy. What the fuck else do you want? You can change your name, play your old games, even buy new ones. Literally every function of Steam is still available for you. Valve will never even know or care that it's someone else's account.
>>722808772You own a piece of plastic that allows you to play halo ce and 2. Microsoft can turn it into a piece of plastic that doesn't allow you to play halo ce and 2 just like any other piece of plastic in the world, and probably already have considering how old those games are
>>722817794How does Microsoft perform this black magic, anon
I thought a bunch of people have joint accounts with their wife. Can you just not buy games on those? How could they ever tell which spouse is using it?
>>722802673>write down credentials and pass it to sonLike valve is gonna dig through millions of accounts to see which ones are 100 years old.
>>722802673they literally do facilitate exactly what you're erronously trying to claim they don't, you retarded jeet epig gays shillfaggot
>>722806527>Dumbest fucking board.because niggers here didn't do their due dilligence and gatekeep the fucking redditniggers out
>>722802673Why is current generation like this? Please die already dad so i can get your car, your house, your money, your steam account for status kick. Did you get bullied over your 2 year old steam? You useless kids would just get the dads account banned, because you cant build anything yourself and cant handle/last time.
>>722818309Literally a matter of one SQL query, Steam truly is a platform for tech-illiterate niggers who must have everything saved in ze cloud. Enjoy being Microsoft bitch once the fat kike croaks.
that's why you chimp out and vote into power politicians who will rape these companies but americans are too retarded to do any of that, they are good fat consumer cattle, if anything they will vote into power politicians who will let companies do this and much more
>>722802673>steam? more like steaming pile of fucking dog shit!
How come any new indie game gets threads deleted within a day but these obvious shill threads never get touched?
>>722808690>The only true lost media nowadays is stuff that was lost before the internet found its place in society, and only existed offline.We're progressively seeing more and more media dependent on internet infrastructure being lost though. I'm not even just talking about modern stop killing games stuff, but in even before that. There were no small amount of lost media flash games even before flash died, for example.
>>722816529>You can change your nameYou pretty famously can't on steam though
>>722803109then maybe you should've bought more cd roms instead of downloading steam like a lazy fag
>>722820696Gabe’s son, Gray, has been learning under his father for some time, preparing to eventually take over when Gabe steps down. At this point, it’s clear that Valve and Steam will remain largely under Newell family ownership. Both are too profitable to justify selling or risking that financial stability.
>>722802673gabe newell? more like gabe drool
>>722802673>hey son, here's my email and password>thanks dad
Meanwhile in reality you'd just give them the credentials and they'll download and crack all the games you had
>>722824771When did Ayrton Senna become a meme reaction image?Captcha: VWYWV
Officially and legally they don't and can't allow it, but they don't care.
iwillownnothingandiwillbehappy
Because it's a non-issue. Just tell your son what is your steam password before you pass away and he can use his own credit card. You're just a pajeet mad that you can't go "HELO SARS I AM THIS STEAM USER COUSIN AND HE DIE I INHERIT EVERY THING THIS USER HAV SO CAN I HAV HIS ACOUNT NAO?!"
>>722802673Is this really a big thing against the ToS of Steam?If I knew I was going to die, I'd give out my Various vidya account details to my closest buddies so they could play the single player games I bought for themselves.Even still, if I buy say, a steam deck and logged my account in and told them they could pass it around between each other instead of suspiciously logging into my account on different computers, would that not trigger any red flags?
>>722829127valve isn't going to embroil themselves into screening death certificates to chase pennies on old games and hurt their impressive public imageif you pass the credentials on they really can't do anything that isn't completely retardedthis is obviously defense against the avenue of letting people steal and sell account
>>722802673Because it would be a legal headache. Can you imagine how many people would try to fake death certificates on the daily? Valve would have to hire a whole new department just to deal with those scammers all day.Store your steam password in a lockbox or something, then whoever gets it can just use the family share thing and have all the games anyways.
>>722803001So an actual concern that isn't sufficiently addressed is just the doing an Epic Store shill? Whew, better completely ignore the actual problem then!
>>722822427/v/ really really hates indie games. I was thinking about making a thread recently for a new niche game, but realized every comment would just be "buy an ad" and other troll garbage.
>>722802673I have a (likely) stolen one from Argentina for the ancient regional-pricing exploit. Maybe if you're really loud, you get caught.
>>722830901Because its not a concern, you can either give the password or have them join Steam Family and be able to play all your games
>>722831041/v/ just hates games in general
>>722802673this is why i'm buying a switch 2 instead
>>722802673Nocap
>>722808787You're an idiot.
>>722802673because you are not buying gamesyou are renting themrentals cannot be sold or transferred
>>722807126>if you give someone your account they are the owner now how is that an issueyou cant give accountsif steam finds out you did they nuke the accountand steam does a geo check and an ip check, so if you log on from a different ip or location you have to go through a security checksure you can pass the check if you set up a system before hand but thats still an extra step and you still dont own the account, just tricking steam into thinking the account owner has simply moved location/devicesalso you cant buy anything on this account unless you remove the old payment method and add a new oneso all of this would have to be done before a person dies and without steam being aware of itand then who knows if steam also has another check for account agelets say you have an account for 80 years and then its "given" to the son and they have it for 50 years would steam nuke the account because there is no way it can be given and the only way for it to still be active past 100 years is if it has been passed on to someone else which would violate the TOS.
>>722802673Literally just don't tell Steam Support that you're using someone else's account you dumb fuck. Valve doesn't actively track people to make sure you're not logging into someone else's account (Presumably because it'd be a pain in the ass. People buy new computers all the time). Fuck, my current Steam account wasn't really even originality mine. I got it from some other dude way back in the late 2000s back when I was in high school.forget why he gave it to me but I'm pretty sure it's because I caught him buying pot in school and blackmailed him into giving it to me but that might have been something else
>>722835550>Fuck, my current Steam account wasn't really even originality mine. I got it from some other dude way back in the late 2000s back when I was in high school.>forget why he gave it to me but I'm pretty sure it's because I caught him buying pot in school and blackmailed him into giving it to me but that might have been something elsethis never happenedsource: it sounds like a stupid lie i would tell
>>722833151True, but indies in general seem to get more hate.
>>722802673idk my son is 13 and we use family shareI assume he could still play my games after I die
>>722802673>make a new email and associate my steam account with that one>remove my card>write down the login for my steam account and email for whoever I want to give it to.it's really not that hard.
>>722835380>steam will engage in bureaucracy related to checking whether someone's dead to fish for purchases of old games and will nuke their credibility and goodwill in the processlook, i know you're used to console slavery but valve is actively fighting for freedom with their support for linuxthey want less red tape, not more
>>722803191>>722803017>muh licenseDo people know that this isn't an actual law and just something companies claim? It's like how they claimed that you couldn't get a refund, until that stopped.
>>722802673ITT: steam users coping
>>722838901coping about having the best platform?your consoles will lose all functional value 10 years after release
>>722808068>will the people then still play Final Fantasy VIINope.That game only exist because Millennials. Just look how the remakes flopped.
>>722837319And when gaben dies?
>>722802673I'm pretty sure you can do it, it's just not officially sanctioned by Valve because they don't want to get caught up in legal disputes. If you have access to the deceased's email you're good to go.
>>722834575>"Here, my grandson, my Switch 2 and all its games are now yours...">"GREAT, GRANDPA! I can't wait to play!">2 hours later>"Grandpa... none of the games work anymore! Most of them are "Game Cards" and the servers haven't been working for a long time!">"NOOO NINTENDO WOULD NEVER DO THAT! I HAVE... NOTHING TO GIVE TO MY GRANDSON.... I HAVE *COUGH*... NOTHING... I OWN NOTHING.... *COUGH* *COUGH**COUGH*">"GRANDPA! NOOOOOO!!!!!"
>die>give my next of kin my steam account, login info and my steam guard device (my phone) How can Valve possibly stop this
>>722840605do you think anyone at valve is stupid enough to kill the golden goose?it makes more money for them than they'd ever need
>>722817973By patching your windows to refuse to run the game.Do you have any idea how computers work, retard-anon?>>722808772if you "own" the game, then make anything using those assets and let's see how that plays out...
>>722808246this.how can you retards don't understand that?If you want to give your account to someone, just give them your login info and change your confirmation e-mail. Steam won't care this way.They just don't want to deal with this bullshit legally.
>>722843980retards can see steam giving up user control with linux and enabling piracy with goldberg and they think gaben is personally going to demand the death certificate
>>722807885Should work in Germany and probably a lot of other countries too. As the successor you literally become the deceased person from the perspective of the law. There are no legal grounds to revoke the licences.
>>722814895>Least suspicious Masquerade breach
retard
>>722841996>Be a tendie.>Siring children.Choose one.
>>722802673how the fuck would they know? what a bunch of shit. give your account to whoever. what are they going to do change your login? kek
>>722802673Probably not some evil "you have to rebuy everything" ploy, there's got to be some (probably amerilardian) law that makes things weird or illegal about giving your steam account to someone else, and they don't want to deal with that shit. If you really want to give someone else your account, change the email and don't tell steam about it
>>722847834kekkers
>>722802673Just write your login down on a piece of paper and give it to your son after you die.
>>722850894>turns off your account because it's suspiciously old
>>722803017It's actually a legal right to be able to bequeath digital content in some jurisdictions.Valve can try to not comply with it, but as soon as someone sues them in of those places, they're going to have to.This is sort of their entire MO - they try to get away with it until they get sued over it; they'll try to still fight it, but ultimately will give up.Happened with the Australian case over games that were unfit for purpose.Happened with the EU fine over geofencing and price manipulation.Will continue to happen.
>>722851530>valve will go for a scattershot approach in an attempt to force you to buy games that will be worth $1 each that can be pirated in minutes
>>722802673Steam doesn't give a fuck, they just put that in there because they don't want estate lawyers hounding them over shared ownership of unverified accounts. They also don't want to fight with IP holders over steam account sales, license transfers, etc. IP holders are already bitching about indefinite steam keys and they're being given expiration dates now. Steam is just a platform, the law is the law. Mad about this? Go bitch about copyright law to your representative. I'm SURE they'll love to listen to you over the whining from the RIIA, Disney, you name it. Consumers have already lost but maybe if you just the entire internet to train your LLM nobody can complain despite it being blatantly illegal :^)All that being said, you ever live through a contested probate proceeding? FUCK that. NO way Steam wants to even hint at accounts being transferable on death.
>>722802673"Hey, here's my username and password"
