How are you supposed to win this in hard mode?Without cheese and turtling
>>722813549Turtle by the upper right and use Jens and Randolph to set traps and Narve and Frederica to attack from above. Use Benedict to boost jump and put Archibald on the lower roof just to the south. It works. Even if you don't wanna turtle, this gives you the best chance of success
>>722813549>Turtle by the upper rightHow is this fun
>>722813908It's a strategy game. Fun is what you make of it.
>>722813908Because it doesn't make you invincible. The enemy forces still take significantly more turns than you and you still need to respond to them the same amount. Risks are fun and rewarding when the stakes are high enough to necessitate them, but you should learn to tell apart taking risks from recklessness, not only on individual moves but also on broad strategies.
>>722814532Hard mode doesn't let you take any risk, making Anna useless
Ok I completed this in normal mode, it's at least doableIn hard mode Avlora would just one shot you, nice "strategy" game
Only one of my unit died, kys
>without turtlingbitch you're DEFENDING a FORT
>>722814676Anna is one of the safest characters in the game
>>722814945Nice fort with no barricades or defenses, lmaoI love using standing on mudhuts
>>722814676Anna is still quite valuable.
>>722815036at what? Dispensing poison and then fleeing like a coward?
>>722814980Well you see, there's a very specific reason for that explained to you before the mission...
>>722813549So you don't want cheese. How about...
>>722815089But burning 1 house will cause irreperable damage to the timeline!2 people having to live outside of their home for a few years is a grave tragedy(ignore the dozens to hundreds of soldiers that would die anyway, the h-house is dead!!!!!)
>>722815182The invasion you're repelling isn't literally 20 soldiers in case you couldn't tell.
Why do people in this story act like retards?>our neighbor is invading the other neighbors, but it's not affecting us immediately so who cares?
>>722815361pic>>722815343I counted at most 30
>>722813549just spam area attacksthat's not cheasing that's mob control
You are missing the best boys.
>>722815602I went to Hyzante to satisfy the waifu
>>722813549The whole game is turtling because melee units are fragile af and mages and archers are OP, so you just pick a spot where you can place 2-3 tanks upfront and let the enemy come. It's pretty lame and every battle takes an hour. These weeb games just can't into good tactics.
>>722815874it feels like follow up attacks mainly existing so the enemy can use them rather than you, given their numerical superiority
Geez I don't know, do you think not having allies will stop the invasion?
>>722813908maybe you should just play games on easy anon
>>722816746It doesn't matter what you choose, every major event will still be the same and you pick from one of 3 endings at the very end.E.g. OP could just surrender the prince to skip the tedious Avlora fight and he will come back 2 missions later. Nothing matters.
>>722816845Normal mode is fine for that level
>>722816880You should sell off Roland anyways because he's a whiny faggot.
>>722816880It's fine that the game doesn't have gorillion actual paths, I just wish the choices made sense, I'm at the third vote and 2 of the 3 votes so far have a clear actual correct choice that every character which is not retarded(momentarily or not) or backstabbing/self-serving would choose
>>722816950kekI wonder if there is special dialogue for that
>>722816959This game's persuasion mechanics are ass, so I'll just tell you this upfront.Each of the convictions is a hidden stat (the numbers are revealed in NG+), so you're supposed to diversify your choices during the exploration/investigation segments to level all 3 convictions, otherwise you might get stonewalled out of some choices. So e.g. if you only pick the "good guy" option all the time, this will fuck you over real hard.
>>722817095Don't worry, I grinded 100 mock battles in 5 hour long shower session and mind raped everyone with facts and logicI recruited tons of characters so my convinctions should generally be high
>>722817095You are supposed to make your choices based on your own personal convictions, and if you can't convince Benedict because you've been too much of a moralfag, then so be it.
>>722817250the alignment of choices in random dialogue is not always logical
yay
>>722813549Is that the mission where the town is booby trapped? I know I beat it just fine on hard mode but I burned the town :/
>>722817350>he betrays you>you HAVE to accept his invitationI hate this so muchDoes he at least die or does he also have le redemption arc?
>>722813549I won first time but had to use one of the flame traps, probably coulda done betteryou are forced to grind the optional missions to stay on par with levels
>>722817440>we discover the plotnevermind, so will the choice even matter lol
>>722817350This is one of the dumbest choices in the game, it doesn't matter what you pick, he betrays you and you play the same exact mission, then he runs away to betray you again in the future.
>>722817585why do you even end up in his lands if you refuse?
>lets make a cool tactics game>ok what should it be about? ancient evil awakens? aliens manipulating humans? demons are possessing the royalty?>nah>lets make it be about salt
>>722818131Nah fuck off, a JRPG where you DON'T kill god or fight pokemons is a breath of fresh air. Though it def needed a bit more enemy variety.
>>722818131>lets make a cool tactics game>but let's pay no attention to how warfare actually works, the duchy can just paratroop troops on the capital by surprise like in HOI4
>>722818131Yes, actually. I found the war on monopolizing salt pretty grounded and refreshing.I don't want some "greater supernatural evil all nations put their differences aside to fight with the power of friendship" bullshit.
>>722818131>pretty grounded normal medieval setting aside from magic spells>weird possessed puppets or ayys appear out the ass towards the endWhat's up with that? That battle filtered me, so I dropped the game. I kinda liked it but I doubt I'll be coming back after 4 years so I don't mind if somebody spoils this shit for me.
>>722818418There's nothing to spoil, the old muslim guy turns into a JRPG boss at the end of the true ending route, you beat him and everyone's happy, the end.
>>722818418It's the spirit of socialism!They're just robots powered by the souls of dead Rosellians
>>722818657>sandnibba nation is evilwhat did they mean by this?
>>722818657I love Islam!
>Silvio just escapesI hate this game
>>722815036kek
>>722817585Don't you get the privilege of being on the top of the incline if you call his bluff early?
>>722819282He rats you out somewhat late in the game, then you get to kill him during that mission.
I wish her character art also had this hair style...
>Randomly see this thread>Instantly hear Triangle Strategy...KIMI NOOOOO in my headThis game was fun, my only real criticisms of it are the character balance is really all over the place with how the OP units are REALLY OP and ally AI is dogshit and SRPGs need to stop doing that.When there's guest characters, just like the player control them instead of some retard botWhere is the sequel though?Hope you've all been doing well TSbros, the threads were fun
Wow, I'm going to be so happy to have her force on my team in the golden route :))))She only killed thousands of people
Reading the endings other than golden it seems Benedict's is the best one
>>722820486Yeah, I felt like they could have done more to make it a bittersweet ending. Roland has the fag ending where you lose your demense. Freddy is the simp ending where you lose your life. Benedict should have been the cuck ending where you lose all your friends as Aesfrost takes them as insurance for your cooperation.
>>722820750...
>>722818131>lets make it be about saltand it was kino
Surely this game has the worst story of all SRPGs ever? This plot is fueled by retarded actions after retarded actionsThis is worse than a basic-ass story like Unicorn Overlord, it's legitimately insulting and made for manchildren that enjoy melodramaslop
>>722820919everything made by square after the ps1 final fantasies have been slop
>>722820919I was always on the fence about this game but now I know I do not want to touch it.
>>722821149It depends on how well you tolerate nonsensical, poorly explain plots
>>722820919It's just an anime Game of Thrones aimed at teens. Everything is explained multiple times and every character is a walking trope. E.g. the villains will just be giga rude and insult everyone every 2 lines, then monologue their secret plan to themselves and laugh. I'm 38 and I couldn't take it seriously lmao
>>722816904well, point still applies, if someone wants to have every strategy work instead of trying to play somewhat optimally they might as well lower the difficulty instead of getting frustrated over losing the fight over and over
>>722821195>Everything is explained multiple timesI wish they explained how Aesfrost magically zergrushed the capital and caught everyone by surprise.They even have eagles, but they don't bother to explain this. I guess SRPG players are known to not care about how things like that work lol
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>>722821256>everysomething other than heavy turtling pr rooftop cheese works =/= everything works
>>722820919I dropped the thing after the "You father was actually the King, your real father is major cuck and your mother was the kingdom's bicycle, and you must fight for them"Gameplay is also ass, tiny map, bad positioning, reinforcements all the time, rinse and repeat
>>722821373>and your mother was the kingdom's bicycleis this true or was she just the king's mistress?
>>722821373imagine how hilarious would it be if the mc spent the last chapters crying over how much of a cuck his father is
>>722818131>lets make it be about saltAnon, salt literally is what keeps your muscles, nerves and heart going.
do salty oceans not exist?
>>722821335when I said every I didn't literally mean every single one, but let me rephrase that: The higher the difficulty setting the fewer amount of dfferent strategies that are going to work consistenly to beat a specific fight, therefore if they wan to consistently beat it with a strategy that doesnt seem to work in a specific difficulty I think they'd better lower the difficulty than get frustrated with the game.I hope that my point is easy enough to understand for you now
>>722823461Not in this country, they're surrounded on all sides by nigh-impassable mountainsThough it's revealed later that the area used to be under a salty ocean and it dried up and left salt deposits in deep caves
Is this game decent in terms of strategy? As far as I know, it was made by Artdink, and those guys are good.
>>722825096>no oceansHow does the climate work?
>win against the bandits a second time>they also fleeApparently no named character can die if they are on the enemy side
>>722825681I dunno, lots of freshwater lakes and rivers I guess?There's probably oceans outside of the mountain wall as well, I think they're mentioned in the Roselle's legends and are the justification behind their ending.
I thought Dragan would have bigger role in the story, meh
This story is schizophrenic, it can keep the consequences of one decision for longer than 1-2 chapters, everything must be reversed at some pointYour faction is basically just being driven by ocean waves with no real direction
>>722813549Ohh, looks like you can field a decent amount of units.Is it kinda like Vandal Hearts where you fight on multiple fronts?
>>722826149>Is it kinda like Vandal Hearts where you fight on multiple fronts?I would say no but I need some image/video to compare to
>>722826243The scenarios generally dictated that you split up rather than sitting as a big blob.
>>722825621I like itAll the characters feel uniqueThe missions are very methodical and diverse The XP curve means grinding is basically non existent The RPG mechanics are pretty barebones but still offer some choice in who you value promoting first
>>722826543I would say it depends on the map, but on hard mode you generally want to turtle as a giant ball with a 2-3 melee units holding chokepoints, save for a few ranged units that can snipe enemies from safe positions
>>722826149In a bunch of missions but not really the majority
>>722813549>Anon both of those are called strategy. The game does not make it possible for you to go toe to toe with the enemy so you have to force engagements you can control
>someone spies on you and magically manages to escapeI FUCKING HATE THIS GAME
>>722827113>nvm we captured himLET'S GO FINALLY
>>722827162>NOOO WE KILLED A SPY SPYING ON US, SAD!I FUCKING HATE THIS GAME PART 2
>We are letting the people that fought us to investigate the gate freeI'm going insane, this game is so fucking stupid in a consistent manner
>Roland actually watches the conditions of Rosellan's slaveryAnd he still sides with Hyzante?
>>722813549Just found out it's on Snoy station. Unfortunately they want 50 bucks for it, and I don't play games without generics, so fuck that. Has anyone tried king Arthur Knights tale or gloom/frosthaven? Would like a new trpg.
>>722831069Why are people genericsexual?
>>722813549is this the fight were you didn't have to explode the terrain for the golden routE?
>>722832001yes
>>722830717Yes, the one good thing you can say about him is that he's very consistent in being retarded
>>722825802>if you win "hahaha it was all a jape, we was just playing">If you lose you dieA+ writing
>>722815874>These weeb games just can't into good tactics.there isnt a single good tactics game where it doesn't become a fucking slog
>>722832275ah, i think i beaten it on normal and was pretty hard not using the explosions. good luck anon
>>722833075also i used the ice mage on this. he is specially good on this map
>>722833075yeah I switched to normal, the game is actually playable now, if not a bit too easy.AFAIK hard mode just give -25% damage done to enemies and increases enemy damage by 50%, I think the second part is the issue as you are too squishy in general
>>722833286>AFAIK hard mode just give -25% damage done to enemies and increases enemy damage by 50%that shit is such artificial difficulty, anon. its not worth the stress
I liked the part where you reveal you found a source of salt to the Hyzante guy, and instead of just killing you on the spot with his tons of troops he makes you one of the leaders of his nation.
>>722813549>using terrain advantage is cheese>how do I rush in enemy lines strategically?
>>722833764i think i will just play through very easy, I got bored of the "gameplay"
>>722831804Some people self insert into the faceless goons with no real potential or destiny
>>722831804In Disgaea for example its more fun have the units be 'Your dudes' with whatever you like than predefined characters. Both are fun in different ways
>>722820919Na, you’re retarded man >>722818131Shame this game is getting liveblog thread from someone mentally handicapped
divideandconquer
>>722838580I don't care that the war is about salt, but the story is drive by nonsense at every step and boringass happenings
>>722838721You’re acting like Roland being a depressed and retarded failson too naive for war isn’t the point of his character. You’re stupid, man, dunno what to tell you
>without cheese and turtingHey guys warchief here how do I defend my encampent? It's under siege and I'm surroundedno cheese or turtling please
>>722837471Exactly.>>722836525>anon doesn't play gamesMany such cases. Denim obviously isn't a nobody, neither is ramza.
>>722838970It's not an isolated scene, every chapter or 2 the game simply walks back or changes his mind on something that happened prior in a way that is just frustratingWhy didn't we do this in chapter 5 to 7? Why did we fight Avlora if we could have faked his death given how easily they believed it? This is just dumb writing
>>722819858Didn't the studio get split and merged into other projects? IIRC square was scaling back AA games going forward.
>>722839528This is the only time it was somewhat believable to fake his death. What, they were supposed to say he wandered off and died on his own while they had him?
>>722840483There is nothing that made it more likely for him to have died then after having the squad protect him 2 times than later on, the Aesfrosti even think the squad killed him, so they don't even think it's an accident
>>722813549>How are you supposed to win this in hard mode?>Without cheese and turtlingHarder modes are going to narrow your options in gameplay, either live with that or don't play on hard.
