Did she create copies of herself when communicating with Simon between monitors and the multitool?
Fuck off with your e-celeb shit
No it was like she was going to sleep and waking up again at random
>>722831719I'll have to watch mandalore's video again to make sure.
>>722831841So that's why, god i hate youtube so much.
>>722831719No, she just had Asperger's syndrome.
>>722831976I don't think he explained why, he didn't spoil the ending. He did make fun of her and call her a slur in the video so his views on the game might not be too objective.
>>722831719doubtful that she would, even if she did they'd never be able to be activated. there are likely at least a few old scans of her somewhere though.
I think I have a bug in my game. Why do I keep losing the coin flip in the end despite savescumming? Do I need to replay the game from the start because the RNG chooses a seed in the beginning?
>>722832048I meant the uptick in threads, i dont have youtube and i despice youtubers.
>>722831719Oh my god nigga, you fags are gonna milk the same topics from this game again because tranny lover Mandalore made a vid? I can't take another round of bait about the fucking coinflip.
>>722831814>>722832215How does the original scan move from device to device then while maintaining continuity? If Simon cannot make a direct transfer of himself from one robot to another, how is it possible that she can move devices?
>>722831797Catherine isn't very famous?
>>722832368I don't even know what any of those words mean, you dumb cunt. I saw a thread about the game last night and went to sleep thinking about it
>>722832384She does the same offscreen.
>>722832363That probably doesn't have anything to do with it. /v/ is a sekrit club afterall, people can't just make threads theres a vetting process.
FACT: (you) always win the coin tossFACT: Someone else stays behind and it's not your problem
>>722832595This
Earth was never destroyed. It was a psyop. There was no proof in the entire game just a bunch of bioshock audio diaries claiming it happened.
>>722832654Earth got wrecked but it wasn't a meteor impact, they used the mass relay gun at the bed of the ocean to simulate a meteor impact intentionally,
This thread is full of ESLs who can't type for shit
>>722832495Suck my cock faggot.
>>722831719DUDE COIN FLIP LMAO
Pathos is a metaphor for life, as in you're forced into a doomed nightmare existence for mysterious self-serving or negligent reasons by other doomed existencesWAU is a metaphor for evolution, a blind idiot process of horrific misery inflicted by a mindless monsterThe Ark is a metaphor for having children, a false immortality. Also you literally shoot the nut out of a dick-gun.
>>722831719No, because she was directly plugged in she could transfer like walking through a door. She only got copied with the Ark because they were copying themselves over because they couldn't physically connect. She didn't send herself with a physical connection because she needed to be there to guide Simon to launching the Ark. The robots don't have a physical data connector because the pilot's seat is meant to do all the work, there was never a reason to have physical connections.
>>722834893This makes sense.
>>722834893metaphors are for redditors
You guys seen the way Wikipedia shows music band members over time, with a graph? I think its very intuitive and everyone with an IQ of 80 could read and understand it.
People who believed in the coin flip when they played it for the first time should not be allowed to vote
>>722831719If I was Simon stuck in Pathos at the end of the game, I'd endlessly make multiple instances of Catherine as a means of torture.
Does anyone know more female characters that are autistic like Catherine but not in a quirky waifu way?
>>722835401female autism goes undiagnosed irl, because women aren't taken seriously and when they show signs of autism people just think they are retarded childrenthis means that there are few artistic renditions of autistic women, since they are rarely recognized irl to then inspire authors
>>722835509>this means that there are few artistic renditions of autistic womenThat sucks because it would be nice to see more women like Catherine in viyda, even books. They're either completely normal and average or over the top quirky and endearing but everyone likes them still. The struggles Catherine experienced at work were extremely relatable with the part about fitting in and people thinking she's a weirdo.
>>722835898Having any female character in a video game not written to speak like a (latest variant being) Brooklyn Hipster(tm) circa 2013 quirk chungus is a novelty now. It's been decades of this shit.
>>722836050Having any female character in a video game not look and speak like an erotic dream will get half of /v/ crying that its SJW feminism jewish communism.
Me* makes a clone of Catherine. Rips off her ears, her eyes, her tongue, her epidermis and amputates her toes. Clips off her prolapsed asshole.
>>722836146You just crawl out of 2015 dude
I loved SOMA but hated the monster parts so enabled God mode. They weren't scary, just fucking annoying and got in the way>lab with computers containing lore>there's spooky zombie wandering around and might attack you as you're reading!
>literally have to play as a redditori get the point of it and how it's necessary for the plot but man he is unbearable.
>>722835286>People who believed in the coin flipWhy do people act like the coin flip is a meme? It's not hard to understand. Before you transfer, you have a 50/50 of your continued consciousness being the consciousness that ends up on the Ark.
>>722836390It caught up after a spammer did his thing.
No, she just blinks in and out of existence. She may be deceitful but she never lies directly.>>722836390There's no transfer possible, the process copies the consciousness only.
>>722832384>If Simon cannot make a direct transfer of himself from one robot to anotherHe literally can and does you moron
>>722836542>There's no transfer possibleBut there is. We literally see it happen three times in the game.
>>722832495>no threads whatsoever for years>popular Youtuber makes a video on it>suddenly multiple threads per dayYeah, definitely not connected at all.
>>722832841Oh wow now that is interesting. You want a faggot to suck your dick? Uhhhh
>>722836675We had a big one just a couple weeks ago.
>>722836390see >>722835275Your continued conciousness is the same line. You just create a paralel line. You stay in your lane, there's just now another lane.The guy you just created FEELS like he is a continuation of you, but he isn't.
There's so many Simons in this thread already.
>>722836832>The guy you just created FEELS like he is a continuation of you, but he isn't.What the fuck? How is he not?A perfect copy is indistinguishable from the original.
>can put someone's mind into a robot>Intentionally uses ctrl c instead of ctrl vWhat a retard
>>722837001meant ctrl xGuess I'm a different kind of retard
>>722836956Its a new instance, that just started. The new instance has the memory if having existed before, because its a copy of the original instance, which existed before. However, it didn't exist before. It just started.Simon 2 has memories from Simon 1, but those things didn't happen to Simon 2. Those are false memories, as far as the subject Simon 2 is concerned. Simon 2 wasn't in a car crash. He started to exist 100 years after the car crash.
>>722836597anon the whole point of the game is that your consciousness ISNT you. You, are you, and can be nothing else, your consciousness is just the software. of course the copied consciousness thinks it’s real because it has no reason to believe otherwisethe thing is, this is hidden from everyone, to the point where even this bitch doesn’t tell you that, yes, a version of you will remain that also believes it is youif you knew this from the start, it would ruin the game, ergo, it’s not you
>>722832384Well, I would assume that it is like how you wouldn’t call an HDMI cable a form of “copying” your video game to your television, it is simply displaying it.Ironically, this can be a good way to view the idea of “continuity”, people are turning off their displays when they kill themselves and turning on their displays when they awake in the Ark, but that itself would be likening conscious experience to the display of a monitor without confronting where the video is actually generated.If there are examples of her being in parallel, like her speaking on the handheld but also doing something else on another terminal, this could be a good question. From what I remember though, there is basically not a situation where she is “wirelessly” controlling something, which is one of the only cases where you could argue she was copied.This game is like poison to people who don’t understand basic computer science or how networking works.
Following mando's retrospect i figure now that choises do matter somewhat. If you kill WAU Simon 1 somewhat safe-ish (if left alive) ofc but then Simon 2 is fucked without hand and climb back up to boot Kath into 1's leftover body. Also interesting how Simon indeed very much like WAU, not understanding most basic shit and whatnot.
>>722834914I'm surprised there wasn't a snippet somewhere that would say "physical connection" copying isn't actually any different than doing it wifi, they just have a protocol of automatically deleting the previous copy when there's a 100% secure network between the two vessels
>>722837148>Also interesting how Simon indeed very much like WAU,yes sar the wau it like punjab trucker hard work
>>722831719I still can't believe there are anons who genuinely think the coinflip is real. At least Simon had the excuse of severe brain damage + being a retail store clerk
there should of been an option to sabotage the ark, destroy it or launch it into the sun or something.
>>722837148Please learn English
>>722837275Simon is too stupid for that level of nihilism
>>722832363This, I HATE it when people outside of /v/ talk about any video games.
>>722837060>Simon 2 has memories from Simon 1, but those things didn't happen to Simon 2.They did, and they left their impact on his psychology. Simon still has nightmares about his dead gf, the things that happened to him still have a tangible impact on his life and who he is.This is a retarded distinction. You'd be better off claiming that every human being becomes a new person when they go to sleep and wake up, or that you're a different human being when your cells die and get replaced by new ones.>>722837101>anon the whole point of the game is that your consciousness ISNT you.Where are you getting this from?> of course the copied consciousness thinks it’s real because it has no reason to believe otherwiseNo, YOU have no reason to believe otherwise. There is literally zero evidence that copied Simons are different from the original.
>>722837491>zero evidence other than leaving your original body behind being able to see it and moving onwards without it in a new body yeah zero evidence
>>722836675>People are discussing videogames...?>proceeds to have an autistic breakdown
>>722831719one of the worst and most disappointing games I have ever played, I never seen writing this condescending and genuinely stupid
>>722837491>They did, and they left their impact on his psychology.Romans crucifying some jewish philosopher has left an impact on my psychology, but that definitely didn't happen to me, and basically you are retarded.Creating a new instance of yourself from a save point is not a branch that you have 50:50 to jump into. Its an entirely new line, but instead of starting from your birth, it starts from the save point. Its a new person being born, with pre-writen memories from events that didn't happen to that instance.Its really not hard to grasp, and I am shocked that people don't get it.
>>722837610>other than leaving your original body behindLiterally why do you think this matters at all?Are you actually like sub-80 iq or something? Is it impossible for you to conceive of a person being more than just the flesh they're stuck in? Literally every civilization has a concept of the soul or mind or whatever as a separate entity from the body, this shouldn't be hard. If scientists put your brain in a new robot body, would you think that you suddenly became a different person and everything that happened to you up until that point wasn't real? Dumbass.
>>722836675Is it really that bad that we have a video game thread on a video game board? It's not even a lame meme/bait/flamewar thread.
>>722837746>there is ZERO evidence that X and Y are different>X literally existed before Y, and then they existed together with different points of view and experience, and then Y murdered X, and then Y existed after X stopped existing>but they are the exact same thing guuise retard
It would have been neat if you played another copy of the original Simon at some point, as in the one that was scanned just before he died way before the comet, that has the same ignorance and disorientation of having no idea what is going on all over again
>>722836571Anon, the point is that our perspective isn't literal in terms of Simon's experience. Simon suggests the coin flip because he needs to cope with the fact that it isn't a transference, the suicide cult that formed believed for them to make it to the Ark as themselves they needed to die. The ending having you stay where you are was to show the perspective of the Simon that got copied, not the copy to hammer it home that your point of view defines everything. The original Simon went home after his brain scan and would later be told there's nothing that can be done to help him, Simon 2 either wakes up confused and alone or dies in his sleep, Simon 3 freaks out that he isn't on the Ark and breaks Catherine leaving him alone on the station and Simon 4 makes it to the Ark and meets Catherine in person. All of these Simons are different but cannot comprehend the idea of not being the original and thus the coin flip is created as a coping mechanism so he doesn't just give up under the idea that it doesn't matter to him if a version of him survives and escapes if he can't escape himself.
>>722831719No, all that communication came from the same chip. She did, however, intentionally upload a duplicate of herself into the arc along with Simon.
I don't know why it's hard for coinfags to realize this: if you somehow copy your conscience into the sims, you won't magically wake up in low poly. You will see your low poly version of you on the monitor.
>>722838036incels don't get how procreation workssimon and catherine literally have children and die to protect themno, simon, you won't be forever young in the body of your son
>>722837746>zoomer detectedanon you need to live a little more before you get such strong incorrect opinions
>>722838036same person here: btw, I don't kill old simon because even tho I know he's fucked, I think he deservees the chance to try or kill himself
>>722837719>Creating a new instance of yourself from a save point is not a branch that you have 50:50 to jump intoYes it is, from your pov. The (You) that you will be has a 50% of being the (You) in the Ark. How is this a hard concept to grasp?>Its an entirely new line, but instead of starting from your birth, it starts from the save point.But it's literally not a new person because it contains the memories of everything that happened before. They did happen to that instance because it's the same mind.>Its really not hard to graspIt's not. I understand perfectly what you're saying: that the original is 'special' simply because it is 'the original'. I'm trying to explain to you that it's not, and you're simply refusing to acknowledge the possibility.If you transferred a Simon out of Simon's body, then killed original Simon, then re-transferred the second Simon back into the dead corpse of Simon, and did this so quickly that Simon never even noticed that it happened to him, would THAT be the 'same Simon'? The exact same memories and state of psychology running on the exact same hardware? Because if so, then it's only the idea of "the same body" that makes you think only the original Simon can be Simon, and that's easily disproven by facts like how every single person will replace every single cell in their body over the years. A person is not the specific molecules in their body.
Did you know that everytime you go to sleep you completely lose your current consciousness and what wakes is basically a new you?You are doing a coin flip daily.
>>722838153>Yes it is, from your pov. The (You) that you will be has a 50% of being the (You) in the Ark. How is this a hard concept to grasp?You will always be you. You will be the same static eletricity in the same flesh/machine brain. The physical energy that makes you won't teleport to the other vehicle. You are being retarded.
>>722838036in a way, you will. It's like the concept that teleporters in science fiction shows just vaporize the user and recreate a copy of them somewhere else. That IS you unless you are confronted by what you left behind.
>>722837746To accurately simulate a person you would need more than a brain, your guts are also a major second brain for example. That's why souls and brains in a jar are a stupid idea, you are the sum of all your machinery and consciousness can't be summed up as one thing.
>>722835401Sakuko in silent hill f is noted as having mild autism but honestly you wouldn't really be able to tell without it.
>>722838036They don't seem to get that your consciousness is very much comparable to a soul, an undeterminable thing that's part of the electrical impulses in your brain. The only way to really transfer it would be to essentially intercept those signals and slowly transfer them into a new brain-like structure which is in the realms of science fiction with the amount of caution and precision that'd be required to prevent brain damage or outright kill someone. It's like trying to transfer a soul, it's not really something we can do because you'd need to locate it first
>>722838183Actually, no, consciousness is not interrupted during sleep. But during deep anesthesia, yes.
>>722837867>>X literally existed before Y, and then they existed together with different points of view and experienceWhat is this argument? Yes of course they're going to BECOME different people as soon as they split, in the same sense that you're a "different person" after reading this comment than you were beforehand, what the fuck does that have to do with either of them being 'Simon'?Are you actually literally unironically for realsies just too retarded to understand this concept?>>722838036Not if I'm the one that is experiencing life in low-poly.
>>722838153>If you transferred a Simon out of Simon's body, then killed original Simon, then re-transferred the second Simon back into the dead corpse of Simon, and did this so quickly that Simon never even noticed that it happened to him, would THAT be the 'same Simon'?Its funny, because sci-fi nerds will recognize this as babby's first philosophical thoughts about how teleportation works, and that it is obviously NOT the same person. You copy the guy elsewhere, and murder the original. The original is killed, dead, over. No more. End of line. Somewhere else, a new line begins, unrelated. The fun short sci-fi story starts with the murder part of the teleporter malfunctioning, and you having two dudes now.
>>722837919Not reading all that but can tell you've misinterpreted the post you've responded to and topic of discussion, opting to explain the story because you think it makes you smart.Simon/Catherine is making a copy of his current position and all knowledge gained when he "transfers" to a new body. It literally is a "Copy" > "Move here" command that's moving his current mind into whatever i.e. the ark.That's why he still remembers who Catherine is, what he's doing and where he is when transferring.
>>722838153>breaking causality to justify your perspective the bell curve is undefeated
>>722832384She's being run off a chip inserted into a specific device that is just being plugged into various consoles, only Simon transfers between hardware during the game
I don't understand how 21st century people can argue about this from their computer, on which they can copy and paste a file, and therefore now have two instances of the file, and move them to different folders and..... average IQ of /v/ under 100 confirmed?
>>722838153>Yes it is, from your pov. The (You) that you will be has a 50% of being the (You) in the Ark. How is this a hard concept to grasp?You are a retard.
mark sarang was right in a way. the problem is that the copy uploaded to the ark knows that it is a copy and not the original, by having the original kill themselves right as the scan is complete it allows the copy to delude themselves into thinking they are the original and live a normal life inside the ark. Simon ends up being the perfect example of this with ark simon thinking they drag and dropped him into the ark and is happy with what happened, because if he knew or realized the truth he'd have a mental breakdown over consigning simon 3 to death at the bottom of the abyss.
I copy my homework on a different folder, somehow the new file has 50% chance of being the old file. okay... you can't convince me these guys aren't just trolling
>>722838153>The (You) that you will be has a 50% of being the (You) in the Ark.This only makes sense if you think that "you" come in and out of existence as the universe pulses every nano-second or whatever, like a video card updating what's on the monitor.If not, then you don't come in and out of existence, there is no pulse for you to have to pick which body you reincarnate into. You continue to be where you were, and now there's another guy with the same memories as you, elsewhere.
Chaterine lied and Simon is stupid/brain damaged.
Why did Catherine 2 upload herself to the Ark? Catherine 1 can run the Ark on her own
>>722838216>You will always be you.And I will also be the "other you". That will be a (me) that was on Earth, and is then on the Ark.Saying "the (You) that is on Earth will always lose the coinflip, therefore there is no coinflip" is like saying "the coin that landed on heads has already landed on heads, therefore there is no coinflip". The conclusion is baked into the way that you phrase the scenario. It intentionally misses the point that there IS a (You) that was on Earth, and then is on the Ark.
>>722838267Then shove your guts in the robot too.We are shown explicitly that the scan copies over the entire person. Arguments like "that wouldn't work in real life" are inconsequential.
>>722838427Millions and millions of jeets gain internet access every year
I wish. That woulda been coo
>>722831719The monitors are only interfaces, that's why you need to plug her every time. the only copy is in the ark
>>722838352>"Not reading all that but you're wrong"My point is that the player's perspective is not Simon's perspective when it comes to SOMA, and that by conflating the two you essentially fall into the same pitfall Simon did when he thought of the coin flip to begin with. If your POV is the original Simon the whole way through then why do we get a post credits scene in the Ark? Was the cult correct and killing yourself just werks, did Simon 3 kill himself and overwrite his copy and if so what happens to the consciousness of that copy? The brain structure is copied so of course Simon has his memories intact but that doesn't mean it's the previous Simon we played as
>>722836153Just because she lied about the Ark?
>>722838719You will be on the Ark, in the same way that you are on 4chan, or you may be in the Hall of Fame of your local chess club, or you will be remembered.The "you" and "will" and "be" parts of those statements aren't what we mean here.YOU WILL BE the guy you were the moment before the copying, a continuation of the same biological machinery, producing the same conciousness, in the same body. There will now be another guy, who you will claim is "you", and I am sure he would disagree. You aren't that guy in the sense we mean.The person pressing the button to send the Ark to space will always be the person watching it fly off, not being on it.
>>722838330imagine instead that all the simons help eachother along the way, they get copied and work together as a Simon team 6.Instead of the coin flip, they play rock paper scissors, the winning Simon’s consciousness is transferred onto the ark.The ARK is launched, the three simons remain. The Ark Simon is aware of the three Simon’s left on earth as well who all worked together to get Simon onto the Ark. Simon then divulges this to the other denizens on the ARK who proceed to shun him in low poly for not killing his previous selves like they did as a simon abuser. The Simon abuser Simon’s life on the ARK is now ruined for all eternity.Which one is the real Simon?
>>722838338>it is obviously NOT the same personHow is it not?>a new line begins, unrelated.How is it unrelated when it's literally the same person? Matter arranged to be exactly the same as the original?Again, literally all of your arguments boil down to "the original is special because it is the original". And that's simply not good enough when the whole point of the copy is that it is exactly the same as the original. It is just as 'special' in every way that anyone can measure.
>>722838497Simon shouldn't be on the ark anyway. He's an incomplete scan performed with unfinished equipment on a literal brain damaged tard. His "image" is incapable of learning or growing and is the equivalent of those real life babies born without actual brains but instead just weird brainstem things that regulate breathing and heart beat and nothing else. A human slug. He has no value on the ark.
>>722838913Trick question, the real Simon is in Toronto looking at the medical bill he got for the brain scan and wishing he could have more of him to help work some jobs to afford it
>>722839024The original isn't special. The original is the original. The other copies are not the original.Consider Simon. He makes a copy. The copy is not the original. The original is Simon. The copy is not Simon.The original isn't special, its just the original. The copy is not the original. 2+2=4.
Okay so there's a magic box floating around the sun with a couple hundred human images on it. What does that accomplish? I don't understand the point of that.
The entire game is just the brain stimulation that the doctor is giving Simon to reverse his brain damage, he got cured and went home to his Toronto apartment.
>>722838897>You will be on the Ark, in the same way that you are on 4chan, or you may be in the Hall of Fame of your local chess club, or you will be remembered.No, because those places don't do a magic supertech brainscan that copies me.>The "you" and "will" and "be" parts of those statements aren't what we mean here.Exactly, and the same applies to the original description of the cointoss. You are choosing to misinterpret the meaning with different definitions.>The person pressing the button to send the Ark to space will always be the person watching it fly off, not being on it.And the coin that landed on heads will have landed on heads, what's your point? How does that disprove anything?
>>722838352You tried to act smug but you and the original comment are the retards here. You’re defending the stated position that Simon 2 successfully body swapped. Then you misinterpreted not only that comment but the comment denying it too. never body swapped, he made Simon 3, the players perspective transferred to that new being, and 2 was killed or abandoned.
coinfags make me want to not send the ark, and doom this fucktarded species
>>722839121>The original isn't special.Correct.>The original is the original.Correct.>The other copies are not the original.Correct.>The copy is not the original.Correct.>The original is Simon.Correct.>The copy is not Simon.Incorrect.They are both Simon.Your entire argument is just "X is not Z because Y is Z", and you have zero refutation for the possibility that both X and Y could be Z.
>>722839152I guess you have to be white to understand.
>>722839152The Ark just extends the lifespan of the human soul. The alternative is dying off completely or surrendering to WAU.It's not an ideal solution, it's a last minute project to extend humanity's experience.
>>722838880Because the writers are retarded hacks that break their own narrative arbitrarily whenever it's convenient. Blows my fucking mind people actually try discussing a game as dumb as this and still somehow miss the points it talked about.
>>722839390your hardware cant run this softwarehopefully before you die we get some way to expand intellectual capacity, so you can buy a booster and realize the point of the game
>>722839472>he says as there were almost zero white people in the game and instead pretty much all mutts and gooksin fact basically the only explicitly white person was the last living bio human chick at the end, which, interesting symbolism, tells you to kill her. really makes you think
>>722835384From when you wake up in Upsilon to when you get the new suit in Omicron, catherine says your battery is about to run out. Whether you kill Simon there or not it doesn't really matter since the batter will go dead soon. You also have a new battery in the new body, and that presumably won't last forever either. Unless he could figure out how to wire himself into the grid, Simon would again run out of battery and die.
>>722838657What she did was probably the equivalent of 'updating' herself on the Ark
>>722839224> what's your point?If the probability of a two scenario event is always 100% in one direction then there’s no probability at all, and in fact only one scenario. There is no uncertainty, so there is no coin toss.
>>722839539Your point is retarded because it tosses the entire narrative conceit of the game for a gotcha. If you’re ultimately saying that the brain scans are less “genuine” than the humans they originate from then nothing that happens all game matters and Simon 2 is just a soundboard.
>>722839024anon lets say the WAU malfunctions and creates 150 simons an hour for the next 1000 years hoping to make one that can breathe underwater and has finsthe simon corpse pile eventually eclipses mt everest underwater until one of them reaches the surface, earth is mostly habitable again by now, and these Simon’s that can now reach the surface decide to band together to create a Simonopolis on a nearby island, most of them end up eating eachother in the end until a clear winner is determined, this Simon creates a crude society of Simons to do his bidding. King Simonon then directs the building of a raft to reach Europe, where a simon pipeline from the WAU is created to keep the population going. A system of Government forms and the Simons all eventually build a gun to shoot the ARK out of the sky, killing low-poly simon and all of his friends.Did Simon win?
>>722832595No shit. Not to repeat when that guy said but only an idiot didn't understand that the character you're playing as is brain damage. Of course, he'll say stupid shit.
>100 years in the future>they knew a comet was coming>did nothing about it>just dieddeserved.
>>722839936>win Some Simons killed another Simon. Just because the grounded ones did lord of the flies doesn’t mean that they’re not all still the same Simon responding to different and new stimuli.
>>722840190Snippets mention there was a 'international effort' that failed, whatever that means
>>722840209>Some Simonsum, sweaty, king Simonon isn’t just “some simon”. I swear you Simonostas can’t get with the Simontologists and it fucking SHOWS.
>>722839539>your hardware cant run this softwareYes, which is why this is a SCIENCE FICTION story, excellent media analysis, 10/10.
>>722840370oh well, by then i imagine there were basically no whites left and muhammad muhammad muhammadin and xinshi xaoping attempted to intercept the comet but the chink ship failed and then the crew consisting of ali abdul and narsheet patel veered off course into the sun. nothing of value was lost.
Is there another fun video game like this with puzzles and whatnot but not drenched in reddit nihilism and the protagonist being a canadian redditor?
Who here is WAUpilled?ARK is cool and all, but the future of life on earth will be wrought by the blind idiot god at the bottom of the sea
>>722837758I don't mind at all, it's just intellectual dishonesty to try and say these threads have nothing to do with [popular youtuber].
>>722831719she wasn't realSimon wasn't realyou can't move your soul into a machine, it is trapped by your brain's biological nature and you just have to deal with it
>>722832821ok Pedrito.
>>722841339Your opinions in real life are beside the point, in the fiction of Soma souls aren’t real and perfect copies can and have been produced.
Oh boy, I can't wait for all of the organic, sincere, and well informed discussion of a game after some faggoty youtuber made a video about it. Surely it won't just be people making broad, overly obvious, hollow observations that they stole from the video. Also robots aren't people and don't have, or even deserve rights.
the REAL question is did katherine the femcel program in her anime boy husbando to wait for her in the ark?
>>722841164Based and agreed. The Ark is fine but it’s limbo and it’s got no longevity. WAU iterates. One day it will produce something of enough sapience and capability to conquer it like humans have conquered evolution, and real human(ish) life on earth can flourish again. >but it tortures human backups! Sucks to be them but it’s not functionally different from being mauled by a sabertooth in the Stone Age. Extinguishing life because it has the potential to suffer is short sighted.
>>722841339Souls aren't real, you're a product of your brain chemistry, and if that can be copied, "you" can be put into a machine.
>>722841339Why would someone still think souls are real?
>>722841856Sounds great except that if it achieves that, those humans will get murdered by WAU's other monstrosities
>>722841882>>722841986nice try Schlomo. My soul exists and it's going to heaven and you can't stop me
>>722842007For a while, sure, but not forever. Nobody gets mauled by sabertooths these days.
>>722842187I don't know why you'd want to be stuck eternally worshipping some jew in the sky but you do you
>>722841986soul = consciousness
I will create a copy of my dick and shove it into a copy of your mouth
>>722842352I'm just gonna hang out with my grandparents.
>>722836832the whole thing is retarded because gameplay wise (and story wise) the POV of the player is always the new Simon, until the very end when they switch to an older Simon for shock value.why would the main POV never stays as a continuous existence anyway? it's a forced narrative device
>>722842740Last thread someone pitched an alt ending where you flit back through the old Simon’s and I thought it was an excellent idea. >scan works >simon 4 is on the ark, happy ending, cut to black >Simon 3 spergs out about not being picked, breaks Catherine, cut to black >Simon 2 hyperventilating in the scanner chair as a monster breaks down the security door, cut to black>original human Simon leaving the scan, wondering out loud if any good will come of this, roll credits
its literally just the prestige. you cannot transfer, only copy.all the arguments against this sound like they are made by npcs who fundamentally lack awareness of part of the experience of existing
>>722842994that's not an alt ending that would just be an expanded ending.
>>722831719I just hope that copy of Simon that got into Ark fucked finally fucked the autism out of her (copy)
>>722842443>just gonna hang outSure between the obligatory kneeling services, look forward to it
>>722843058It’s alternate in presentation because the game shows 3 then 4, which massively shifts the tone into the credits and also breaks the internal logic of following the “important” Simon
>>722841856Moreover the WAU seems to have intuited that humans have certain desired states, and it seems to be trying to create those (see: the dream it induces in Simon) If it really has a benign skew, it is wildly more favorable to life than the base process of evolution.>>722842007How are WAU creatures worse than other animals in that respect? You can say they're physically superior, but maybe the sapient WAU life will be, too.
>>722843006I'm still surprised they didn't put a DVD case of the prestige in that canadian fag's apartment to really be even more blatant about it.
>>722843068I find it hard to believe they'd actually program having sex in the Ark
>>722843006Transfer is probably possible with the technology they have in SOMA, but it sure ain't in the cards for Simon and Catherine. Never understood why people even argue that one
>>722843260Why not, when you become Simon 3 you have a body.
>>722842214kek
>>722843260What else are they supposed to be doing for possibly centuries? I wonder how quickly inhabitants of the Ark would go insane making the whole project even worse than just dying off
>>722843260Every aspergers girl I have ever known has either been an absolute freak or uninterested in sex but also uninhibited about it. Catherine absolutely simmed sex in the ARK.
>>722842994>cut to Simons voice actor wrapping up recording and driving home, cooking and eating eating some chicken parmesan, four hours single take.
So Simon 1 is in a girls body and Simon 2 is in a mans body... You don't think that they perhaps had... relations?
>>722831719yes, that is how programs work
>>722831719Yes, facility is littered with her copies
>>722831814KURWA
What if the supernatural was real, someone developed soma brainscan tech and then they made a factory of souls for industrial-grade contracts with The Devil.Like every person made becomes their own person a milisecond after they are formed. It works for Satan because it just adds to the tally of souls that will never get into heaven. He dont give a fuck how they were formed he just wants God not to have them.
>>722843603>earth gets repopulated by successive Simon bodies, all completely confused at the situation but confident a coin flip was involved.
>>722838880It's been a while since I've played, but (save for the Ark scene at the end) you essentially play as Simon 3, the one that stays behind, the whole way.
>>722843576>uninterested in sex but also uninhibited about itThis is my fetish. Neutralface all the way through even though you're comitting the wildest kamasutra acrobatics known to man.
>>722843732The flaw in your thinking is that those souls would not go to heaven.
>>722843732You'd have a counter movement in church with a conveyor belt creating, baptising then recycling bodies.
>>722843847We'd throw hot bitches in the simulation and told clones or a really horny man that he could hit if he rejects God. Or we'd keep them immortal and time dilate shit until they give in. Heck, i'd even volunteer my own brainscan. Idgaf. I dont think the coinflip is real so the "me" will never suffer any ill effects.
>>722837746Good post. Shame about the literal drooling newfags with no imagination ITT.
>>722843895FUCK
>>722843757If you want to argue that the whole game is the memories of the most recent Simon that’s not true. Simon 4 in the ark only gets his scene after Simon 3 is abandoned with Catherine. But also, if you argue that the game is from the perspective of an original Simon, that’s also wrong, because we jump from human Simon, to 2, to 3 to 4 as the narrative requires. The only explanation is that game shifts perspectives as necessary to tell its story
>>722831719I get the brain scan is a copy and not the original but at that point robot Simon is software why wasn't the transfer posible at that point? Just Ctrl+X & Ctrl+P.
>>722837050Don't use Ctrl+X to move stuff between devices. Speaking from experience.Then again, with Ctrl+X, we wouldn't have these horrible threads.
>>722844575In the real world a cut and paste is actually a copy paste followed by an automatic delete. It would be the same thing for Simon presumably
>>722844575Thats just killing yourself as you make the copy. Still no consciousness gets "transfered". Of course the new copy is going to think that it got transfered but its just an illusion
>>722839910>If you’re ultimately saying that the brain scans are less “genuine” than the humans they originate fromThat's not what I am saying at all. However, you are too unintelligent to understand what I am saying, and therefore to understand the game itself.
This game doesn't really work without an extremely stupid MC.
>>722840868Your hardware (your brain) cant run this software (the explanation I am posting). I am calling you stupid, but you are too stupid to get insulted by my insult (you don't get it).
>>722842740The player first plays as Simon, then as Simon 2, then as Simon 3, and in the epilogue as Simon 4. That's the player controlling different characters.For example, we see Simon 2 go from being the player character, to being an NPC that the player character can kill.
>>722844852It works fine. You don't have to be stupid to believe it. You just need to be facing an existential crisis and this is your coping mechanism. Most of the team of very smart people that created the Ark literally believed the same shit and killed themselves so they'd wake up on the Ark.
>>722844575As others have said, moving a file just copies it and deletes the old one. Transfer of consciousness for an infomorph would require something like...having it run off a clustered system of storage nodes that could be replaced one by one without halting the 'program' (in this case, consciousness.) We do similar things to web applications in present year to keep them running while we work on them.
>>722845025>You don't have to be stupid to believe it.It happens to him 3 times. If he is surprised and shocked the third time, he's stupid.
>"people" actually, sincerely believe that the simon who got into the chair had any chance at all of ever getting on the arkYou are essentially only making a digital clone of yourself. The simon clone is 100% convinced he won the "coin toss" but he is only deluded into thinking he was the prior Simon. This is really quite simple and straight-forward so I don't understand how people are getting this wrong. Pre-ark Simon was doomed from the very start and why trying to upload your consciousness onto a computer is a fool's errand.
>>722835275if there's only one Simon at a time continuity is maintained and therefore it's a single timeline. Timelines are only parallel when two or more Simon's exist simultaneously.
>>722843512That doesn't mean he can pull his pants down, they either programmed it to be completely realistic with real world physics and details or it's just some shitty second life clone with bare essentials. Given how the entire project went down it's probably the latter.
>>722835141>Reddit reddit redditFaggot
>>722844828I’m responding directly to what you wrote. So maybe you do have a point but you’re too unintelligent to properly articulate your point?
>>722845239Semantic argument about the word parallel, instead of understanding its meaning.
I don't understand how you jump from Simon 2 to Simon 3 when you switch the bodies but somehow you don't jump from Simon 3 to Simon 4/ark. If the whole thing is about making copies then Frictional Games could simply change the POV to Simon 4 to make a happy ending.
>>722845025I can buy it being a coping mechanism the first time, maybe even the second time. But by the third time, even with Catherine misleading, there's really no excuse.
>>722845403It's a contrived depiction within their own rules which is why it's a dishonest game with a dishonest message.
>>722845328You are responding to your low IQ interpretation of what I wrote.Nobody is talking about real, or genuine, or anything like that. They can all be "fake" clones. The same argument can be made for Simon 2352354 and Simon 2352355 that he spawns from a scan of his mind. The concept of originality or genuiness or realness or whatever aren't there, you just smuggle them in.
>>722845403>I don't understand how you jump from Simon 2 to Simon 3 when you switch the bodiesYou don't. That's kind of the point of the whole thought experiment. If you cloned yourself and your clone killed you then did the clone also kill himself? Of course not.>>722845403The game gives you the perspective of different Simon clones, not Simon as a single entity.
>>722832363you can't "have" Youtube grandpa
needed more david bowie/10
>>722845371Consciousness is fungible in the coin flip. You say they're different. The Star Trek teleporter dilemma says they're the same. Subjectively, they're the same.
>>722845914You think that if you copy yourself, there is a chance that you inhabit the copy instead of the one who was copied. You think that the act of copying removes the conciousness from existence, and then it spawns back into existence, in one of the two possible places. This is silly, random, senseless, and why would you even ever think this?
Retarded niggers ITT actually think if they uploaded their brain into a computer program and slapped it into a robot they'd "transfer their consciousness" into that robot. Imagine playing SOMA and completely missing the entire point because your so chudded you can't imagine a game where you don't get a happy ending. Simon dies 100 years before the game starts, you play as 2 different clones of Simon, not one consciousness that transfers over. The games does everything to show you this, you need to be retarded, deaf, blind or just not paying attention to actually think you're doing some magic brain transfer that totally take the current you and just moves you into a new body.
>>722845489He almost gets eaten by a big zombie fish in the darkest, deepest pit in the ocean, he barely makes it to the gun with the Ark, he has to "save" what's left of humanity, and there's a clock ticking. It's plausible enough.
>>722846169Yeah if he's dumb as fuck.
>>722846101No, I'm saying in the concept of removing and replacing something it comes out the same. If I give you $20 and you give me $20 nothing has happened despite the fact we both physically exchanged notes.Adding to that there's the implication that you are genuinely continuous in your consciousnesses and not actually a biological ship of Theseus. This is just an assumption, you may lose the coin flip every time you go to sleep. Genuine, objective, biological continuity may be an illusion.
>>722846145Doesn't matter. For each of the clones the transition is seamless, a continuous stream.Keep making these cope posts that don't link to any other.
>>722846145>le downer ending makes it more.....le profoundahhhhh im trying to crank my fookin' goon stick but it's fully stretched to the limit time is a flat circle morrrrtttyyyyyy
>>722846282>Genuine, objective, biological continuity may be an illusion.And yet you are proposing a MORE awkward, more indirect, more dubious continuity, because... ???
>>722846282That analogy doesn't work unless you assume the $20 bill has a consciousness even after you exchange it. And even then I doubt even you can claim it stays the same. You really didn't think that stupid analogy through, huh?
>>722846395>le downerThe entire games concept is existential dread and psychological horror you fucking retard, this isn't some head cannon.
>>722846282>nothing has happened You don't have the same 20 dollar bill you retard. You have the same amount of money, but the physical bill is entirely different, and both bills exist at the same time. You're literally proving the consciousness transfer is just a copy pasted clone and a separate entity with your retarded analogies.
>>722846573I guess I transferred my freaking mind katherine I guess that's a thing I can do now!
>>722837491>>722837746How fucking stupid are you? I mean that seriously, do you have brain damage? A learning disability?
>>722846726No, you can't. Every instance of Simon you play as is a clone and a separate entity. The video games prespective changes to what is essentially another character with all of simons memories. How the hell is /v/ so brain dead and wrong about this? Is it because of the autistic computer bitch waifu they want to have a happy sex ending with (and it HAS TO BE THE ORIGINAL SIMON BECAUSE HE'S LITERALLY ME!!!!! STFU!!!!! MUH COIN FLIP!!!!)
>hey, what's up with somaposting? are people preparing for hallo...>it's a eceleb blowoutFuck off cunts
>>722846947>t. coin flip loser angry at the skills of coinflipmaxxers
>>722832595Your copy always wins the coin toss. Your copy thinks he's you and you won.(You) never move into a new body, you always stay behind while your copy moves on.Essentially it's never a coin toss.
>>722845786Don't bring Omikron into this, my sanity can't take it.
>>722847042Nope you're wrong because, well that's just how I feel uwu simon is me and he has one brain and he fucks catherine and we have a lovely time on the ark and no simons are harmed :)
>>722847042Maybe YOU didn't. I win the coin flip 90% of the time because I'm good at games like that.
>>722846376There is a continuous steam, yes. Just one. And several conscious Simon's left behind. That's the whole point of the end of the game. One copy made it, and there's some small joy in that, but it deliberately drops the act and shows you what it's like to be the one of the originals, not the continuation. This isn't hard.
>>722839152It's so humanity can "continue" to exist and, hey, maybe some super advanced alien civilization will find it floating aimlessly in space and clone biological humans with the information that can be found on the ark purely for scientific curiosity.Otherwise yes it is absolutely pointless and the goal is entirely sentimentally driven.>coinfuckers
2009 /v/ would have had zero issues understanding that copying your brain doesn't make you spawn in a new body, it just makes a type of clone that isn't you.
>>722832595Where is this from? I played through the game a couple of months ago but don't remember this visual.
>>722847240More of the world got access to the internet and the collective IQ dropped dramatically.
>>722847240The brainrot of the current smartphone infested era is astonishing
>>722839152there's a magic ball of dirt floating around the sun right now with a few billion humans on it. What did that accomplish? I don't understand the point of that.
>>722837050>he doesn't know
>>722847240That was 600 million indians and 200 million spics ago.
>>722846145They're confused because the game transfers PoV from one to the other, granting the illusion of motion when canonically there's not any
I wanted to enjoy this game but you play as a Canadian
>>722847259it's shopped onto a skybox from Halo 3
>>722847452Yes there is, for one stream of consciousness. Showing what happens if you are not part of that stream is the point of the ending.They have no right to be confused if they played the game and didn't watch a Youtuber talk about it while gooning on their second monitor.
>>722847578>t. Watched a youtuber talk about it white gooning on their second monitor
But the real question is, would you do it? Would you send some you, not you, far away to safety knowing (you) would perish and not reap the benefits of (not you)?I would. Be free little me.
>>722846564>>722846681The term is fungible, and I'm saying consciousness may be fungible.
>>722847717>But the real question is, would you do it?Why not? You have nothing to lose and you as an individual are boned regardless.
>>722847548lol, I was just talking with a friend yesterday that I never played Halo
>>722847717Strength of five gorillas?
>>722847675Nice argument, but that motion is demonstrated clearly as for most of the game you occupy a stream of consciousness, the continuous motion, of moving from copy to copy. The illusion is in expecting that motion to continue as an original, and not a copy. But from the copy's perspective it is always moving forward.
>>722832363Yet your immediately recognized this was a veiled e-celeb thread, hmmm. Pretending not to like popular things doesn't make you cool or interesting.
>>722832595>>722847042Coin tosses aren't random at all. The randomness is epistemic - if only you could know the precise forces enacted on the coin, you could predict with 100% accuracy the result before the coin even lands. The analogy is perfect because retarded people think coin flips are random and not skill based, Simon is also retarded and doesn't realize he's copying himself instead of transferring, and /v/ is also retarded to be this confused about it for 10+ years.
>>722837491>They didDumbass
>>722846423If you take a hard hit to the head and you lose consciousness, possibly enter a coma. You come out, your brain "restarted". How different is this from a scan transfer? Are you really the same person as before? Probably not, you've just had a major concussion and now your brain is objectively, physically different. Your old copy is more "you" than "you" are. The old you died when you took that 2 by 4 to the head.
>>722848317You are possibly the biggest midwit on this site right now
>>722832363why do you give a fuck about the reason people on the video games board are finally talking about video games? you're the same faggots who get mad at zoomers when a youtuber introduces them to an old book and then a lot of them read it
>>722848069right because everyone likes the newest most popular thing and its weird not to... tiktokfaggotard
>>722838268the bitch in this manga is intolerable and everything bad that happens to her is a result of her own actions
>>722848317You're as dumb as the clowns thinking the Portal is just a hula hoop
>>722842443your personality is stripped from you when you ascend to heaven, your only purpose in existence becomes to worship god as you are effectively now a part of it with no free will of your own
SOMA thread #23450923572095: /v/ collectively loses the coin toss again and experiences the same thread, none the wiser.
>>722832595This is like the portal A vs B shit. You cannot be so stupid. There is no coin toss. There's only copy and paste. (You) always stay behind. The narrative follows the new copy because otherwise there would be no story.
Anyone else gets Mother Horse Eyes vibes from WAU and the themes of the story.
so, do memes still "believe" your own brain could just teleport over to your digital copy on a server in space? it's almost as dumb (and obvious) as the "a or b?" meme
>>722832595Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
>>722850234Right. They both have an objectively true choice that dimwits can't comprehend and no amount of lengthy explanations, demonstrations, animations, or visual aids will ever get through their thick skulls to convince them of the true, real answer. They will always pick the wrong answer because of their low-iq and muh "feels lyk da ryte chois".
>>722850361Does the original file cease to exist if you copy it?
Wait so understanding that the coin is fake bullshit makes you high iq?YAAAY!!!I thought myself a dumbass up until now desu. Glad to see that my conceptualization skills are up to speed
>>722847358Holy based
>>722832363wypipo conquering the world for spices just to despice
>>722849584>>722849998You can't even begin to say I'm wrong. You have no basis for it.If you're defining consciousnesses as self-awareness propagated by a self-sustaining chain of electro-chemical interactions happening inside the synpatic cleft of axioms. What happens when you turn that off and reboot it? Do you genuinely believe that your consciousness carries over after biologically interrupting your brain into a shutdown mode?
>>722851198>defining consciousnesses as self-awareness propagated by a self-sustaining chain of electro-chemical interactions happening inside the synpatic cleft of axiomsWrong dumb cunt there's more to it than that. How do you think memories work?
>>722851372I assumed it was obvious that memories are just that, memories. Having someone else's memories doesn't make that you that person. Losing your memories makes you a different person?It just goes back to my point of getting a head injury, Your neurology has been significantly altered, but we still consider that to be the same person, because they're wearing the same body. But the body is not the person.The game's concept of continuity fixes this impossible question by saying it's universally fungible to replace a person in place. It's only when you have two people at the same time that it becomes a problem.
>>722838153>But it's literally not a new person because it contains the memories of everything that happened before. They did happen to that instance because it's the same mind. Twins are exact copies of each other but they are two different people. The person that gets copied onto the Arc will be different to the person still stuck in WAU hell.
>>722847792The bill isn't fungible you retard. Those are two separate bills. As I said your analogy sucks.
>>722851198This entire thread is filled with posts proving you wrong and you just go "hmmm, nope!". Die as the midwit you are LOL
>>722836956>>722850786>>722837746>open Homework folder on computer>porn.gif (Created: 1999 | Accessed: 2025)>about to move out of mom's basement>don't want to lose that gif>copy porn.gif>paste porn.gif onto thumb drive>porn.gif (Created: 2025 | Accessed: 2025)The original file remains unchanged. It will probably not be accessed again. It just sits and waits inside a computer that no one might power up again. It isn't aware that the version created in 2025 will be accessed in 2026, 2027, and many years beyond those. There's no chance that the 1999 porn.gif might go on the thumb drive and the 2025 version might stay behind inside your old computer.
>>722852624No one is proving anything. It's all philosophical without any objective metrics. The fact you think you know anything demonstrates how spooked you are.I'm probably closer to being right than you are. Consciousness may as well be a post-hoc rationalization for our actions.
>>722835286Worse people actually can be elected
>>722831719So Coinflip thing is another "Kilogram of steal is heaver than Kilogram of feathers" argument, what will be spammed more because of new eceleb vid allowed more people to notice it?
>>722832595it's dumb, (you) are basically software emulated on some machine, which reminds me, why the fuck would anybody run anything but the best and smartest minds on those machines? why would you simulate a retard person with a brain injury when you can simulate better people?
>>722831719She was such a hateable bithc it's no wonder her crew got tired of her shit and got killed.
>>722849860Yeah, that's the point. She's autistic.
Coin flip is more like a way for someone to comprehend it in a safe manner so both versions don't have a total crisis.Original you lost the flip, but typically in these sorts of copying scenarios you're offed or otherwise shut down from doing anything and in effect do not matter anymore.Copy you won the flip, and since copy you is more or less allowed to live compared to original you, the stream of consciousness that is no different to original you's mind up to the copy process sees everything as seamless and goes "Hey, I won!" and carries on with their life thinking they won the coin flip.The game goes by constantly putting the player's perspective into the new body so you can keep progressing, whereas if it stayed with first Simon, then you'd just stay there and do something else while new Simon copy carries on with the objective because now he can do that.There is no actual coin flip of winning or losing, it's just told as a means of coping or something of the likes so new copy is always feeling better as the winner.
>>722831797Soma threads have occured often on here. The fact you immediately equate it with some e celeb says more about how much you care about the game then anything.
>>722839152It's a metaphor for having children. You pretend it gives you a form of immortality and they're born into a new hell and they'll do the same thing in turn, until the last living thing is exterminated
>>722832595FACT: Your cloned memories are always you. You win and lose every coin toss because (you) exist in multiple instances at once. The concept of (you) extends beyond one physical body, as all of your copied memories are an extension of your will.
>>722854139Because the WAU make Simon 2 a thing. Not a person.
>>722854139Simon was just a means to an end to turn the power back on for WAU and the dumber the better for that
>>722839152I always took it as them feeling it was better then nothing being left of humanity. What else are you going to do down there besides kill yourself?
>>722856454Come to think of it what will the Simon on the arks life be like anyway? He's basically clinically retarded compared to the others there, from my understanding.
Do people think the coin flip was actually a thing or are they merely pretending?
>>722856737He's a retard, but Catherine's little retard helper who got the ark launched. He'll be fine.
>>722836956The person that experiences pressing the button to copy will never be the new copy. While there is functionally no difference between having an implanted memory of an experience vs a true memory of it, the memory is not created until the experience is accomplished. The person that willingly chooses to press the button is stuck in the same continuity. SOMA cheats a little bit, because while we experience playing as Simon from Simon 1 to 3, the game switches continuity without ever making us aware that it's done so.
>>722836571In computer terms, a direct transfer (aka a cut) is simply copying the data and deleting the previous data. A true transfer, absent a hardware transplant, is impossible.
>>722851198Consciousness can't be defined because we do not currently understand its nature. Stop being a fucking retard. Free will is an illusion.
>>722842994Sounds like it would be very satisfying for people that can't visualize an apple.
>>722856903>retards - think the coin flip is real>midwits - think the coin flip is wrong>intellectuals - realize the coin flip is about perspective and how the copy perceives the event.
I always thought Simon was a dumb, annoying faggot become these threads, but after watching so many struggle with the narrative concepts, I realize he's a very realistic dumb annoying faggot.
>>722857974There is no coin flip whatsoever. The consciousness that decides to press the button, and experiences pressing it, will never be the same consciousness that is copied. If you only possess a memory of the event, you will never know which one you are. That said, an implanted memory and a true memory are identical.
>>722858117At the very least from the start we know Simon has brain damage from an accident so has at least some form of plausible excuse.
>>722856903>Do people think the coin flip was actually a thing or are they merely pretendingIt's always both
>>722846145>you play as 2 different clones of Simon, not one consciousness that transfers over.1st time the game moves the point of view from one diving suit to the other. 2nd time the game doesn't move the pov from diving suit to the ark. If anything, this simply is a dishonest game design.
>>722856903I don't believe the scientists who killed themselves to board the arc were stupid but they were hard coping under duress so it's understandable that they would desperately cling onto such a dumb idea.
>>722858494It's dishonest sure, but it's done on purpose to trick midwits into thinking you actually can transfer you consciousness instead of simply copying it and to make the reveal at the end more impactful or unexpected? As soon as I realized I was a robot i pegged the twist but this thread proves that the dishonest transition worked to hide the final reveal to the point where people pretend the ending was entirely different. The "coin flip" was a lie. Simon proved if he hadn't been given that lie he would have not been able to go forward with making a copy of himself. He was fucked up enough when he thought he was leaving behind a copy of himself and not realizing he was actually abandoning/killing the original copy. Simon was huffing dangerous levels of copium through most of the narrative to keep his sanity intact, which is what Catherine wanted since he was the only machine capable of completing the arguably pointless mission and Simon would have just given up if he learned or accepted the truth before the ark was launched.
>>722839569You really are indian
>"You obviously can't transfer your subjective consciousness onto a computer.">"Option A is obviously the way portals would work in reality.">"Why yes I do have a big fucking brain, how could you tell?"
>>722852707sounds like that jiff lost the cointoss
There is no coin toss.The perspective changes are for the gameplay convenience and to deliver the story from different perspectives.Simon had been copied, pasted and simulated for thousands of times between the time of having his brain scan taken and ending up as a camera nailed to a headless corpse, because he was a part of the project that enabled this technology to exist in the first place.I hope an asteroid does hit this planet so that all the double digit IQ retards that cannot comprehend this finally go extinct. It would be a mercy.
Catherine lied to Simon because he was the only way for the ARK to get launched, why is this so hard for people to understand?
THE COINFLIP IS A LIETHE COINFLIP IS A LIETHE COINFLI-
How autistic is Catherine?
>>722860570Not very.
>>722860010Some men don't believe women can lie.
>>722858494>uhhh duh narrative tricked me by using different perspectives>this is dishonestWhy does storytelling offend dimwits?
>>722860570>Likes being a robot more than she liked being a person>Doesn't give much of a shit about consciousness copy/paste>Conflict avoidant to a fault, shuts down until the last moment>Has little to no qualms about using brain damaged normies for her own endsJust a little
>smart means u le autistic!you are why this board is called the dumbest of the boards
Is SOMA worth playing if I already know the ending?
>>72285690395% shitposting at this point but when the game was new and many actual low IQ paypigs were playing it was very real
Imagine how awkward things must have been on Catherine on the Arc>Have to share the Arc with the coworkers that murdered you>Have to share the Arc with a copy of yourself>Have to share the Ark with Simon, who is going to finally understand they've left a Simon behind after somebody explains the process to him again
>>722857058It's going to be like literally 5 days before the Ark descends into a nightmare existence, no one is going to appreciate shit
>>722860818Right, just like all the other geniuses on Pathos who weren't notably antisocial like Catherine was, so much so that even she was aware of it and agreed with it
>>722856903Coin flip is real.>Close your eyes>Get copied>I don't know which am I, until I open my eyes>There's always someone who gets to progress, and always somebody who gets left behind>There's a 50% chance that I'm going to open my eyes and see that I'm the lucky one
>>722861325no, it's not like dark souls where it's worth playing even if ash lake is spoiled
>>722861736If you close your eyes then you are getting left behind. What is so hard to understand?
>>722861325I'd say so, you can figure out the ending as soon as you learn about the Ark if you know what copy/pasting a digital brain would entail, the emotional stakes come from Simon's and Catherine's relationship and how Simon deals with all the other inhabitants and the WAUPlus it's gorgeous to explore and listen to, if you have any interest in deep sea or just weird environments it's great stuff
Generic subjective continuity.The people killing themselves to live in the paradise were entirely correct and justified.Consciousness is an emergent phenomena that can be replicated and you will be subjectively experiencing through that consciousness.You put me in a cloning machine or digitizing machine and then my body, I AM the clone/digitized version. There is literally no distinction.
>>722831719Why was she so fucking evil?
>>722861974Did what she had to do in order to get a retard to cooperate for the greater good of humanity.
>>722861953Minor spelling mistake>You put me in a cloning machine or digitizing machine and then destroy* my bodyIf consciousness is physically emergent, there is nothing that is stopping you from replicating it. That also goes along with the Ship of Theseus argument, cryosleep etc
>>722862018What a womanly explanation of a sociopath whose attitude and behaviour are righteously hated by her entire team taking advantage of a brain damaged and totally displaced patient and (according to the creators' narrative) sending him to his death or suffering twice for her own selfish and insane self-deifying agenda
>>722861974Asian genes, probably
Ok so heres how it works.When you press the button, you're ALWAYS stuck in the same body that pressed it. There's just now a guy out there, who is 1:1 like you. From your perspective nothing has changed, but you've affected the physical world insofar as to put another free agent out there.
>>722862214>still spending your whole life jealous of asianslol
>>722861974She wasn't, Simon just didn't fully understand what was going on since he had literal brain damage. She fully understood that for the entity she was it would be a one way trip, but the Ark would allow other entities to survive.
>>722862262>jealous of asiansabsolutely not. But I've seen enough liveleak vids to know that the Taiwanese are a heartless people.
>>722861325Yes? we told you that last thread. Just play it already
>>722862327She took advantage of him knowingly and intentionally and lied to amd deceived him. She did these things because she is an awful person.
>>722862170Simon was the one that got excited by the ark at the point the game takes place. She knew very well how hollow it actually was as a goal. She was basically just going on an adventure with Simon for fun and didn't know how else to handle his stupidity.
>>722858117Its so funny that even though he's clinically retarded and bleeding from his brain and dies a month after the initial cutscene, his coworker is still a BIGGER RETARD and an obvious pothead.I'm not sure how that relates to the narrative. It's just funny that our beloathed retard got to style over a guy at work shortly before getting beamed into the vorechambers.
>>722861941>you can figure out the endingYou won't figure out the ending though because you do win the coin toss multiple times. You even shut down your previous self who lost the coin toss, so it's not like you're not aware that it can happen. You as the player won't realize the ending is where you finally lose the coin toss
>>722839734How is a robot powering off "dying"? I don't know what kind of storage medium the brain scan was stored on, but its still there even without the power. There's a near 0 chance of ever being discovered though but your chip is still there. maybe millions of years later Simon will wake up after aliens discover him at the bottom of the ocean.Also was the WAU's logic ever explained by why it was doing what it was doing to everyone? It was supposed to protect humanity and "it won't let anyone die" but it literally killed pretty much everyone.
>>722862429What's really astonishing about these fictional ignoble women is how people like you will be taken in to make up their lies for them. She's a selfish bitch and a liar who intentionally misled him. Even by the premise of the game she caused two of him to suffer and die and trapped a third in a (fortunately decaying) hell dimension.
>>722862337cope
>>722831719The game pretty explicitly directly tells you that Simon's consciousness isn't actually his real self and that it's mostly the WAU trying to unfuck itself after it realized it fed itself into a logic loop.Catherine's consciousness is still real and separated from the WAU but specifically after you transfer Simon's bodies, she seems to become aware of the fact that Simon is directly hooked up to the WAU so it's not impossible to imagine that she was actively tricking Simon into killing the WAU (and thus himself.)Also fun fact, the reason why the WAU doesn't completely die when it receives Simon's code is because Simon is already part of the WAU and while he did upload the virus, his code also uploaded how to control and stop it.
>>722862680>The game pretty explicitly directly tells you that Simon's consciousness isn't actually his real selfanother filtered dummy
>>722852707Pour one out for porn.gif
WAU apologists don't realize life on Earth hasn't ended and certainly doesn't need interference from a clueless goop AI having no idea what life is supposed to be. Give it a few million years and the surface will be full of life once more.
>>722862565WAU's behavior is supposed to be the same thing as evolution by natural selection in miniature, effectively just bashing things together with no concern for the suffering it creates without any goal. It's like the Lovecraft idea of "Azatoth" a blind idiot god that creates without meaning
>>722831814bober :D
>>722862739The data file where you find Simon's brain scan is corrupted and in another file you can find in that same room will tell you that the WAU was the last thing that accessed that database.
Could WAU figure out a seamless conaciousness transfer tech via it's hivemind? It managed to make a Better Arc that doesnt hold just copies.Also whens the next game coming out?
Can't Simon climb the orbital space gun shaft and get near the surface? There's a story hidden in the files where some girl does that and gets to see the surface before dying. I know there's nothing really up there but it's something he can do atleast.Also isn't he full to the brim with structure gel? Couldn't he pour a bunch of it on the fried Catherine chip and get some sort of power current from something and kind of repair her? Or atleast his omnitool.Also if he let the WAU eat his hand at the bottom of the ocean, shouldn't that cause the water pressure to make the rest of his suit instantly implode?
>>722862386>Just play it alreadyI wish I could but I have a hundred other obligations. Still like reading these threads from time to tome.
>>722862807Weve already seen how it pans out. Let the goop gaming PC fuck around
>>722862549Regardless of how many times you move perspectives, the game literally ends at a point, so eventually you're going to hit a wall where your perspective is locked in and all transactions are finalHonestly I thought Frictional might have the balls to not show you on the Ark at all so I guess there's thatIt has been a while but I think the process of creating Simon 3 is somewhat obscured by the whole WAU element of it, but again, knowing that you're a copy means as soon as you see that chair you know Simon 2 is fucked
>>722862862its not supposed to make sense its supposed to deny the soul
>>722861974>>722862596You're mad because you know you're more like Simon than not.
I still can't believe there are so many brainlets that played this game and/or looked up lore videos about it and still haven't figured out that WAU is a collective human conscious by the time the game starts, not an AI overlord gone haywire.
>>722862983>Abandon any pretence of defending her>Move on to ad hominemywnbaw
>>722862858its corrupted to show your simon is the last copyWAU is the only thing that can access anything doesnt mean much more than that
So when a coinfag plays Cyberpunk 2077, they think that Johnny Silverhand never actually died?
>>722862807It's not just about Life in general, it's about human life. WAU is the last remnant of humanity and killing it will be the end of our species. Doesn't matter if some random fish and bugs survive and thrive if humans are out of the picture.
>>722862807I feel pretty awful for the fishAnd the people fused to the fishI say let the fish evolve legs again, without the machine cancer fucking things up
>>722863013I will admit i'm retarded.Explain?I played thru and there isnt direct evidence aside from logs of it struggling with philosophy and thats circumstancial.
>>722862549There is no “coin toss.” The original is stuck in their original body and whatever fate befalls it, the copy thinks it’s still the original and continues. Every time. the game shifting the player perspective around for the sake of continuity doesn’t change this. The ending shows that Simon is both trapped on the ocean floor and on the satellite.
>>722863062There's a 50% chance he did.
>>722862807We know that perfectly well. The issue is that that life won't be human. The WAU might fail, or it might actually succeed and prevent humanity from going extinct. I care about human life more than animal life.
>>722857974intellectuals insist the coin toss is real because its funny to do so
>>722862596>selfishShe deliberately chose to leave herself behind so another version of her and others can liveShe spent the last moments of her life dedicated to preserving something of humanity99.9% of selfish /v/tards would never go that far. Most of you would try to figure out how to run minecraft in the nearest computer for escapism and just play that until you die.Someone as dumb and impulsive as you would probably cry yourself to death before suicide or go full scorched earth killing your coworkers or maybe even torment some poor digital copy of catherine as an asian sex slave program forced to dress up in cheerleader outfits or some stupid kink shit. I know you won't apologize for being but at least I called you out.
>>722862956Simon died after the prologue. His soul is not a part of the equation at all.
>>722863096Would you rather have a normal ecosystem thriving or it being plagued by goop cancer humanoid monsters pointlessly consuming one another in agony for eternity.
>>722862807Can you define life? Everything underwater looked like the next evolution of life. Harmony between biology and technology and metal
>>722862807"nature" is just as meaninglessly insane and cruel as WAU. If I could kill it too I would.
>>722863418The wau is evolving and will continue to do so until humanity becomes cohesive again. What’s his nuts being cohesive and part of the wau confirms this.
>>722863418WAU is as natural as the ecosystems that preceded it. Nothing that can be made is "unnatural", if it could occur, then it is natural for it to have done so. Appeals to nature are the refuge of the midwit.
>>722863418I'd rather have humanity than not.
>>722863368How can you describe her as "choosing" to leave herself behind? Does she have any way of not being there? So that SHE can live in some insane fake reality? (Real selfless!) And very obviously the project is an ego thing for her.She's a manipulative sociopath, it's not even a good idea, and depends entirely on the fictional secular reality the creators have envisioned
>>722862807The pure irony of midwits in Soma threads not understanding that ALL beautiful life as we know it originated from "clueless goop"
>>722863603A new human-like species can eventually rise and take its place.The goop cancer would prevent that by being hostile to intelligent life.
>>722831719So their next game is going to be about a single settlement of survivors on the surface centuries later dealing with WAU eldritch horror creatures coming out of the ocean right
>>722863645Because she is not surprised about being stuck on Earth when the launch happens unlike idiots like Simon (aka you) Just admit you hate women, especially smart and brave women like Catherine, who I know you would love to torment a copy of her in a sex slave program. Fortunately it's just a game so you won't get to hurt her or any woman for that matter.
Coinflipfags, what happens if the coin lands on its edge?
I can't believe the coinflip discourse is still ongoing.Literally how fucking stupid is the average gamer, like holy fuck.
>>722863712I don't want "human-like", I want human.>The goop cancer would prevent that by being hostile to intelligent life.According to?
>>722863878Try this
>>722863812ARG shit makes it sound like it will be on something like the Ark
>>722863819You become a hive mind.
>>722863814>I'm so much smarter than a brain damaged man transported out of time and dropped from a relatively peaceful life into a fucked up horror scenario>He deserves to be exploited by meWhat religion was she again?
>>722863112The WAU itself is a machine AI. It has absolutely no grasp one what should or shouldn't be alive or how it should or shouldn't be brought to life. One thing that a lot of people seem to glance over and not pay attention to is the fact that Catherine highlights this fact several times in the game. WAU isn't some kind of deep learning AI with a conscious that is able to learn what the human experience is. It fundamentally doesn't even have the codebase or databanks to even ask those kinds of questions, let alone ponder them.The WAU was first and foremost an overwatch system to keep the facility functioning in absence of constant human monitoring. Before and after the meteor hit it was reprogrammed and re-adapted to also hold, maintain and, if possible, revive human brain scans into robots or androids for the sake of the preservation of the species.As far as the WAU is concerned, it's job is simply to gather all the brain scan data, see if it can create host for each individual brain scan and then upload said brain scan to the host, whether or not a human mind would be able to comprehend or interact with reality in that host is something that the WAU fundamentally cannot even consider by itself because it literally does not have the capabilities of asking those kinds of questions.Later in the game Simon starts to have hallucinations and starts seeing figures and hearing voices that "aren't there" but this makes zero sense if we're to assume this is just Simon slowly going crazy. Instead the more logical conclusion is that while Simon and Catherine have been directly interacting with more and more WAU infected hardware, the human consciousnesses that it has collected and been sticking into anything it can find have been uploaded and interacting with Simon's separated network. This directly implies that while sometimes the WAU will fuck up completely and upload a human into something that drives them insane that there are multiple human brains within-
>>722863819They're not intelligent enough to consider the notion.
>>722864040I don't remember anyone being exploited. Every player going through the story makes their own choices and has full control.Are you admitting you were as dumb as simon and actually thought you were getting on the ark even when the game explicitly showed you multiple times that the original stays behind while the copy moves on??Are you seriously admitting that not only you are a woman hating retard chud you are an actual midwit on top of that?
>>722863954The portal argument can continue forever because it's a problem which doesn't have an answer. Both are incompatible with the laws of physics. It's just a matter of preference.The issue of mind uploading absolutely does have an answer, but the problem is that people reject it because they want to live forever.
>>722863878I think at a certain point one has to ask how stupid the rest of us are for engaging with it, despite knowing better anywayI'm fairly certain these threads and similar threads are made by the same people multiple times because it's easy engagementI wouldn't be surprised if some or even most people here were bots
>>722864163>Every player going through the story makes their own choices and has full control.lmao that's the funniest lie yet, but I did in fact make the best choice of all - I didn't play it
>>722864210That's what the soul is for, to be immortal beyond the flesh. Just kill the flesh so the soul gets transferred with the mind.
>>722864068None of this proves WAU is human collective conscious. It just has human scans in its database that's all. It's like saying google database having a profile of all its users is the collective internet conscious. No... its just a database>>722864292I accept your concession. Just like you don't have any choice in this conversation you also feel like you don't have any control in games. *mic drops*
>>722864068 (cont.)within the WAU and it's various systems running the facility. This is highlighted by the fact that the very entity that tries to get Simon to "infect and kill" the WAU with a virus must be someone who is also directly linked up to the WAU. In other words, most of the shit that you have to deal with in SOMA isn't actually the WAU trying to kill you or fuck you up. It's more likely than not a bunch of human brain scans mashed into various devices and hosts all trying to communicate and make sense of things and/or slowly going insane due to their lack of comprehension as to what's going on.As far as the WAU is concerned, it doesn't care if Simon is alive or dead or even if he infects it or not. It's duties is strictly to continue trying to keep the facility running and maintain a 'living' archive of the human race.The contemplations of philosophy and grappling of life is what the human brain scans that are uploaded and connected to the WAU are discussing among themselves within the WAU.Essentially think of it like this. The WAU is Hades, the facility is Tartarus and the humans trapped within the WAU and it's devices are the souls within Tartarus. The WAU and the facility is absolutely indifferent to the will and intentions of the inhabitants within it's system however the occupants within that system can still communicate and dissect both the facility and the WAU itself.
>>722832595>>722835275>>722835286>>722838036>>722839741Apparently so. But suppose you throw a coin enough times... Suppose one day... it lands on its edge.
If the WAU is so great then why is it trying to kill us
>>722864210It literally does have an answer though. It conserves momentum of what's going through. Therefore it's B and can not be otherwise. QED. The people thinking it's A didn't pay attention in high school and forgot everything the school tried to teach them. They'd burn scientists at the stake for witchcraft if they saw the real things that are possible but laymen think are magic.
>>722864727he's not great he's just not any worse than a universe that hits your planet with a comet
>>722864292if you were a believer in God in this universe you'd have to think the comet was divine judgement right?
>>722864727>Ifuh oh someone else who thinks WAU is the "villain" and not the retards who fucked up Earth's surface and build WAU and told it what to do!UH OH
>>722864863*or like conversely if you believe in God you believe the Soma universe would never exist because God wouldn't just hit the Earth with a comet.
>>722864950something like that, the situation would never be hopeless, even if it got hit by a comet it wouldn't be the end of all life or something stupid like that
>>722839152kinda like the earth orbiting the sun right now with a couple billion consciousnesses on it, and for what? you were so close to getting it.
The real message of SOMA is that we need to get the fuck to Mars right now so we never end up in a situation like that.
WAU is evil because it looks evil and fucked up. That's philosophy 101.Nietzsche - To squash a butterfly is a tragedy, to squash a cockroach is righteous duty.
>>722865113Soma is so bleak that I don't understand how the devs can get out of bed in the morning
>>722865159So basically.>Human female in a garden of Eden.Epitome of beauty. >WAU fleshmancy.Literal devil worship. Literally.
>>722865230She's not beautiful and the Ark isn't a garden of Eden. You are better off on the surface, hell even surviving with WAU (though thats dubious because you're under da c)
>>722864449Read >>722864486The WAU and by extension the facility itself is literally a collective conscious of human brain scans. When I say "collective conscious" here I'm not talking about some grandiose higher consciousness that's being tapped into by humans or whatever. No I mean literally it's a collection of dozens, if not hundreds of different human brains melded into a system that communicates with itself and thus they can probably communicate with each other assuming the brain scan is put into a host that is able to communicate with the wider network.I should also note that to make this easier to understand you should consider the collection of human brain scans active within the network and the WAU to be two separate entities.Remember the WAU does not have a built-in protocol to defend itself or any inhabitants in the facility, yet despite this fact the area where the you find the last living human seems to be one of the most highly guarded areas in the entire place. The WAU wasn't the one telling the monsters to guard that human, the monsters were doing it of their own volition.
>>722865280Philosophers disagree.WAU fails the check of aesthetics.
>>722847358Only anon with 3-digit IQ. Holy based.>>722865113>copying another post and trying to pass it off as your ownHoly cringe.
>>722865346WAU hasn't gotten good yet
>>722865383>Just two more weeks
>>722865331I'm not reading your dumb cope. Find someone stupid who is convinced by you trying to sound smart.
Did you keep Simon 2 alive, or did you erase him, guys?
>>722865473You can't kill him he just becomes you
>>722865473There is no reason to keep Simon 2 alive. In fact letting him live after that point would have been cruel.
>>722865473Alive, I'm coming back for him after the ending and then we'll climb the gun to the surface and die as men
>>722865548To refire the gun and shoot that stupid bitch out of the sky in the moment of her hubris
The only reason the last human was a dumb woman was for realism. A group of smart white MEN would find a real solution instead a gay matrix. It's why you only send the best when the space program starts. That underwater remote facility is literally no different than the ISS
>>722865757In the end she needed a man to get the job done
>>722865159please level with me anon. Is this post bait?I'm pretty sure Nietzche was making comment of people's perception, not that ugly=evil in the literal sense. But I keep seeing anons take it for its literal interpretation and I don't know if they're series or not.
>>722865789A better man... If you would.
>>722865806it's just a fake quote
>>722838153>>722838338Basically this premise:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E68_kYbjefI
>>722865548Was there anything preventing Simon from coming back up to the station Simon 2 was left at? I can't remember if the lift broke or some other bullshit happened.
>>722865867>My wife's Simon
>>722865905yeah tons but not enough to defeat hope
>>722865806To me it means a recognition of 3 things.1. People judge things on aesthetics alone.2. There's a function in nature that immediately lets you identify what's good(important for the ecosystem) and what's evil(a pest)3. Perhaps aesthetics are a way to establish true evil and true good.Just makes sense to me given that he's a nihilist i.e trying to grapple for meaning.In irl ugly incel chuds are usually bitter cunts while normie chads are kind and helpful.
>>722865132Didn't earth get hit by a meteor which is what caused planetary extinction on the surface? Moving to Mars does nothing to stop that.
>>722865915Whatever Catherine did before my brainscan was uploaded into the diving suit is NONE OF MY BUSINESS
>>722865896Funny enough, Simon is also Canadian
>>722865473 He erased me because I lost the cointoss. I'm not very good at this game.
>>722865905By the end of the game you're at the bottom of the Mariana trench with the only lift going down there having been completely destroyed and even if Simon somehow climbed all the way out of that he would still need to navigate through miles of barely visible water in hopes to find the facility he left him at and even then because Catherine is broken at the end of the game, there's literally no way he'd be able to get back into the facility since his keycard wouldn't work anymore.
>>722866104>Uhh actually I'm an entirely new cloneflip so that wasn't really me sleeping with all those men
>>722866101But it does prevent humanity from going extinct.
>>722866158God wills it, I'm getting Simon 2 and we're getting out of here.
>>722866282How so? If a meteor hits Mars then we still go extinct.
>>722838153Simon...
>>722866374Make a Simon 4 to help you
>>722866374Simon 2 is getting you out of there
>>722831797You're so fucking retarded
>>722866445....KINOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>ARK-Simon didn't take the omnitool with him.What a retard lmao.
>>722866542Simon 2 you magnificient son of a bitch
>frictionalchuds try to make the most depressing depressionkino>hopeGODemperors will find the happy True End anyways as long as they gather enough simon copies
>>722855419>one eceleb make ONE video about it just two days ago>suddenly threads about it pop out twice a day or moreget real, nigger
>>722866620>>722866542>Huh, didn't know they made them like that...>What're you talking about, Simon 3?>Coins. The one-sided kind that always win the toss.
>>722866374This is how the Horatio civ from Endless Space begins
>>722866396The odds of two meteors separately hitting Earth and Mars completely eradicating human presence on both pretty much at the same time is incomprehensibly small.
ARK Simon is forever stuck with a copy of a roastie who fucked half of the ARK before the acronym was even coined. Meanwhile Simons 1-n are working their damndest to perservere against all ods. Nothing but them, the coins, and the bros.
>>722866620>"Please don't leave me alone. Catherine--Catherine??>*door clangs open*>a metal suit bearing your likeness shines a flashlight on you>"Sup partner, I know *exactly* how you feel right now"
>>722866905BROS BEFORE HOES
HopeGODS.... I kneel
stop that4chan is where young men with hope comes to die
>>722867012Through dick, unity
>>722867012ok junko
>>722832363Just give up, anon. The retards won't admit they've never played the game and only know about it from their e-celebs. It's always like this.
The Ark is an analogy for capitalism, WAU for communism. The Ark means you toil to send people meant to represent you to success, but you never win yourself. The odds are stacked against you, but the privileged few of humanity does make it, which is important.The WAU demands that you accept a period of violence and radical transformation and warping of the old order, sitting and waiting and hoping for the future success of the efforts.If you seethe at the ending and glorify the WAU, you are probably a crypto-communist.
>Well! Welcome thsre, number 27.>I know it must be a bit confusing so you know, take whatever time you need, get your bearings.>I'll show you around!>This is Simontopia, population... Well, uh, twenty-seven. I guess you could have guessed that.>Yeep. We built it after launching the ARK. Not too pretty, but its ours.>I'll introduce you to Simons.>There's second, a real badass. He started the place. Yep, the diving suit guy, body of a lady, yep.>There's the uh.. WAU Simon. He's chill. Just harbors some extreme beliefs, but it's all good.>We have Denial Simon, Relligious Simon, Competent Simon, The Aimon Who Thinks This Is All A Dream, The Guide Simon, that's me... Oh and the uh- there's Edgy Simon, but don't talk to him.>One of the maintenance warehouses were locked behind a keypad. We may have uh- stuck a copy of ourselves into a pendrive, sped up time dilation and had him manually crack away at the lock for a few centuries. Yeah. Not our proudest moment.>Second said he deserved to flip the coin for all of his troubles so now he's got a body, for better or worse.
It would have been cool if Catherine had killed Simon-3 if you killed Simon-2 and didn't if you didn't.
>>722867120>Simon in Soma 2
I wish they toyed a bit more with how memories work and since the scans are digital maybe even make them editable. What if we experience how Simon 1 is different from 2 because the scan tech was in its infancy, but Simon 2 doesn't know it because he can't know what the scan never picked up. Or what if we find out that all ARK scans are modified, maybe it started with some guy not wanting his trauma memories to be on the ARK and edited it out and ended with no true memory of a human being left. Spooks me.
>>722831719I like Soma story but I don't like all stealth and chase segments
>>722866040>In irl ugly incel chuds are usually bitter cunts while normie chads are kind and helpful.Sometimes but many times normie chads are selfish and narcissists. There are people who are beautiful on the outside but their soul is rotten
>>722866158I didn't remember the lift being broken, but I guess I forgotAnyway, he can pour structure gel on his omnitool and repair it that way. Can't he find a way to charge his "battery" too?
>>722831719She was in a chip so she just interfaced with whatever she got plugged into.Simon could have technically switched bodies by simply having the mechanical head ripped off and shoved into another corpse but it's not like there was anyone who could do this for him.Similarly to how you don't need to copy data to your computer for stuff on a USB to work on it. And it's also technically doable with an internal hard drive by taking it out first and putting it in another computer but that requires additional knowledge and tools which they didn't have.However, I recognize it's a bait question but it got me thinking, why didn't Catherine just copy herself into the new body once Simon assembled it?It can't really be simply fearing Simon spergs out over the fact, since she could have simply did everything the same including putting him to sleep but just copying herself into the new diving suit.Simon really didn't have anything to offer for the mission except having a humanoid body and he just assembled a brand new vacant one for her so why didn't she just make a way more capable copy of herself into it?Ethics don't really make sense either since it's not like she had any issues killing off Simon 2 and lying to him, and if her concern was to actually get Simon's copy on arc like she promised then she just got the scan and could probably store it on something and then upload it to the Arc before launching it.And she apparently didn't like being around other people at all so it's not like the company was super important to her.
>>722869175She wanted Simon to do all the hard work.
>>722846145No idea what strawman you've created in your head.We get it. You're not smart.However, you're also extremely fucking dumb.From the perspective of the copied conciousness they were transferredYES WE KNOW that the original is still there and nothing was "transferred" we get it, you're an idiot, but from that persons perspective; they won the coin flip, they were transferred from one to the other.Before your start slapping your cheetodust covered crusty mitts on the keyboard >HURRRFF DURRF YOU SAID COIN FLIP BUT ACKSHUALLY THERE ISN'TWe know.But from the perspective of the person that was transferred; they were transferred and "won"the coin flip, from their perspective.That's exactly what every one of those scientists that blew their brains out after the scan was done believed when they woke up on the ark. They "cheated" the system and "won the coin toss".Now stop pretending to be a passive aggressive intellectual and pay attention to the very thing you are shitting on.
>>722862565The WAU was placed in charge of the entire station, in secret. So it ordered supplies, managed shuttles, power distribution, evaluated the health of the occupants, etc. Once the comet hit, it began to realize it could no longer get supplies. With food dwindling and maintenance issues piling up (no replacement parts could come in) it began to figure out new ways to keep the inhabitants alive with no outside help. It experimented with the idea of stealing brain scans and shoving them into a box. Some researcher found it and they called it the "vivarium". This lead to the idea for the Ark.
>>722869548This catherine hate is so forced, probably because of the recent chud influx tourists
>>722863418cancer monsters pointlessly consuming each other in agony isn't an entirely inaccurate description of a normal ecosystem
>>722866706Sorry I don't know your internet idol bub.
>>722869175Catherine tells Simon that she'll take his place if he doesn't clone himself into the power suit. She wanted Simon to go in to not feel lonely, and her reward was getting screamed at.
>>722841274Why does it matter?
>>722837274He's also Canadian, he was completely retarded even before the brain damage
>>722849860She's not supposed to be like cute, she's basically Chris-chan if he was a Japanese teenager.
>>722841009Honestly the comet was for the best. White will reevolve.
So lets be honest, just how like fucking pounded and ruined did Catherine's avatar get after the cut to black, I'm fairly certain Simon pounded that pussy till her eyes went round
>>722872832I remind you that Pathos II is extremely multicultural.
>ctrl+f "coin"heh.. like poetry
>>722873115It's what gets the people going.
>>722872939That explains a lot
>>722832363>he hates it when people talk about video games in a video game thread because people watched a video about a video gamehmmmm
>>722869175She was autismal and enjoyed being a bodiless computerbeing, she was only gonna make a clanker copy of herself if absolutely necessary
If I was Simon I'd take great pleasure in dicking Catherine's autism away.
I'm assuming in the universe Catherine is PLA, because there is no way China let a pretend state exist for that long
If I had been there, I would've understood how copying works, and catherine wouldn't have needed to lie to me or sedate me-2. He could stay up in a control room monitoring us, then when we get back because catherine didn't have a meltdown and shut herself off, we could enjoy our immortality studying the WAU's creations
>>722874698I-I-If it was me, I-I would've made a s-second body for Catherine and we would kiss!
>>722874821Pretty based honestly.
WAU was instructed by catherine to wake some dumb canadian with yellow feverYes I am talking about (You)
>>722874821Sadly that second one is not the Catherine you love. She lost the cointoss. You're cheating on your Catherine with an unrelated Catherine.
>>722875915Imagine if the canadian was the modern version and spoke with a thick indian accent, asked catherine for bobs and vagene and scammed WAU. Kino.
>>722876114If he was Indian, Catherine would have gotten the ICK so badly she would have shut down like instantly the second he spoke on comms at the start.
"Cointoss" only works if the subject isn't aware they're being copiedthat is all, Simon is a total retard
Digital heaven is such a stupid fucking idea. The other horror game he's reviewed has a similar thing, the one with the teddy bear.
>>722876324Real heaven is just as stupid
>>722876324Without continuity of consciousness it fundamentally isn't an afterlife. There's just something demonic and hopeless about it. How could anyone look at the Ark as anything more than a library of brain scans to shoot into the stars as a gravestone.
>>722877493True, but if I'm on the ark I get to crush some cute autism pussy for thousands of years.
>>722877601"you" won't be on ita vtuber copy of you willyou are cucked by existence.
>>722877637That's fine at least one of me will get Catherine virtual pregnant
>>722877493it's supposed to be like having kids, a sad immortality substitute
>>722877703You might actually be as retarded as Simon. Is the ark just for retarded people? That'd explain a lot.
>>722877948That's cool, see ya later virgin
>>722839534>retard can't understand simple logic>it's the writer's fault!!!!
What I'm wondering is how long does the Ark really have untill something like a solar wind fucks it up?It could very well get turned off or glitch and create cyber hell.
>>722877461boom gottem
Continuity of consciousness feels like a Dunning Kruger type of philosophical argument.Just because a perfect clone of my exact being is somewhere else in the universe and making different choices than me doesn't automatically invalidate either one's existence. You don't kill yourself when you have children, do you?
>>722845517>being this retardedIt does switch to Simon 4 in the post credits.
>>722878387you don't believe in souls do you?When you (the body and mind) dies, you (the soul) moves on. Death isn't obliteration. Frankly the stupid VR heaven thing in this game is so unlikely to develop compared to some religious cult that worships WAU or whatever.
>>722878553No, I do not believe in souls. I believe that once you die, it's over. Non-existence.
>>722878606Good luck holding onto that belief.
>>722878717What's the matter with it? Genuinely asking because I don't see why I need to believe in a soul in order to believe in individual existence being unique and valuable.
>>722878826no one said it wasn't unique or valuableYou will need to believe in it to have hope in the end. Frankly I have stage ~3 cancer and I have decided that, if there is no point / purpose to life, no continuation, then reality itself should not exist.The only alternative is to have hope for a soul, an afterlife, one that YOU the person can go to. For me it's Christianity but at the very least do not reduce your view of yourself and others to "a meat machine animated by neurotransmitters".
simon had literal brain damage, what the fuck is your excuse for believing the coinflip
>>722878996I'm sorry to hear about your cancer, that's got to be rough to go through and I'm sure you've had to come to a lot of realizations about your mortality.I understand your point about hope but personally when I die, I'd rather it just be done and over with rather than have some form of my consciousness live on eternally. That personally just sounds like hell no matter if there was a heaven. There's also the fact that I just don't particularly think our universe and by extension humans themselves are all that unique and special. "A meat machine animated by neurotransmitters" is quite a depressing way to look at it but it's not exactly wrong. I prefer to recognize it as a miracle of life which is by extension a miracle in how our universe works.
>>722879309I watched Prestige.
>>722878996>my retarded headcanon is the only correct way to perceive realityTraumatic brain damage or double digit IQ?
>>722879385funny that you say miracle.
>>722879529He says it because our language has been poisoned by religionfaggotry to such an extent that if you try to cut it out of it, it becomes near unusable.
>>722879385And for another thing, why do you consider eternity hell when it is promised to be perfect, good, loving, fulfilling. It's like you've already despaired from life itself.
>>722879595What would be the point of existing in a realm/plane in where I feel nothing but warmth and pleasure? Eventually I'd either just go insane or grow numb to it all. Same thing with hell too actually. The idea of eternal torment just sounds utterly ridiculous. You can only torture a conscious for so long and so much until all point and meaning is lost.
