>roman history spans over 2,000 years>99% of games about rome are in the same ~100 time spanwhy? there are countless interesting scenarios to choose from, but devs always choose the same shit
>>722968239Because the peak of Rome as an imperial power is actually a pretty narrow period.
>>722969319I think it's silly that you can only have a game about rome take place in their apex. Total war attila takes place during one of the darkest periods for rome, and it's one of the best total war games
>>722969594And its also one of the worst selling games in the Total War franchise. When people hear Rome they want peak Rome, not Republic Rome, not dying Rome.
>>722969319Hardly any major popular culture except Gladiator actually takes place in Roman empire, it is almost always just late republic so that they can shoehorn Caesar and Cleopatra in.
>>722968239The romans were retards who could not keep their backstab-boners in check while they were facing down multiple existential threats
>>722968239I truly wish we could have a game set in the Roman Kingdom, going through the baby steps that built the early Romans, I'd start from the fight of Romulus and Remus against their uncle Amulius, to the building of the Servian Walls.
I love rome! who's your favorite holy roman emperor?
>>722969871It is funny in a way how they continued down that exact path in Eastern Roman empire too all the way until the fall of Constantinople. It genuinely is a small miracle Byzantium didn't completely collapse centuries before it did.
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>>722969968Old World is the only game that comes to my mind which features the kingdom of Rome even as a concept.
>>722970307Thank you for letting me know of this, let me try my luck any further, I don't suppose you have anything around the life of Camillus, a lot of turning points happen in his turn, and nobody ever brings him up.
>>722969991Hadrian
>>722970559I'm afraid that is too much to ask from video games.
Byzantine chads ww@
>>722969706It sold poorly because it's a buggy and optimized mess. Those who stuck with it consider it to be a really good game, one of the best ones in the series. Assuming, of course, your framerate doesn't tank even with unofficial mods and patches to make it work.
>>722970664That one cinema old fuck may be right, videogames can't truly be art, but we can correct this by getting more games of Rome in almost any other period than "DUDE LORICA SEGMENTATA LMAO".The Crisis of the Third Century has no shortage of kino, and I see no effort to make anything more than one campaign around LAUDATE IL SOLE.
>>722969736Which is funny where they also shove in a bunch of anachronisms such as marian reform legionnaires, and bronze age egyptian aesthetics when egypt at the time was very hellenized. Kinda like how most writers portray the middle ages always in the late middle ages just to show off knights in full plate armor.
>>722970757just finished another ck3 byzzie campaign. I'm counting the days until eu5 is released, I can't wait to restore roman glory in that game, seems to be full of content and my hopes are high
Were there even any good nations in human history
>>722971080yeah, serbia
>>722970985>>722970757Bannerlord has not!Byzantines. I think one of the reasons most people tend to not consider them a part of rome is because the eastern roman empire in the middle ages was mostly greeks and anatolians. A far seperation from its latin roots.
>>722968239Because that's the most well-documented part of Rome we know about, especially how Vesuvius preserved a lot of how people lived and operated. Plus the way history works and the "broad strokes" pattern that begins to develop, late-era Roman Empire and the early Dark Ages are functionally identical.
>>722971080Guyana? I struggle to think what they even do there.
>>722968239"""ancient rome""" is genuinely samurai/knight/pirate tier plebslop for braindead normies afraid of going outside their comfort zone
>>722968239Cos Romans are actually fuckwits. Great engineers, horrible military and leaders.Bit like the US. Great scientists. Terrible country for everyone else.
>>722968239Same reason why chinese history is always about romance of the three kingdoms or japan is always sengoku period. Nobody gives a shit about every other period which is why rise of ronin and ghost of yotei is bombing.
>>722970903It runs far better than Rome II
>>722971638>horrible military and leaderselaborate
>>722973254I guess he means bad emperors. There were a number of brilliant generals especially during the republic and early imperial period, they they also had a number of twits and unskilled politicians playing general.
>>722971638Military was breddy gud they just got hotheaded and rebel a lot
>>722974564Funnily enough the whole "Five Good Emperors" era of Rome was caused by several rulers dying without living male offspring, so they had to deviate from traditional dynastic succession and adopt a heir instead, which led into actually competent rulers. Then Marcus Aurelius fucked up by having a living son when he died.
The average gamer is historically illiterate and will have no interest in just about any historical period of time save a few of the most beloved erasThese are>WW2>peak Rome>age of piracy>Victorian Era LondonAnything outside of that narrow period you'll have a very hard time selling your game to anyone, only Assassins Creed had any luck.
>>722974727You forgot generic late medieval Europe.
>>722974564Yeah but he said horrible military when the roman military was like, the opposite of horrible. Unless he's some sorta queer crying about hurt feelings and that
>>722970061History’s first redditor
>>722974727Not enough ludos about piracy
>>722970924Marian reforms were in use during Caesars time
>>722970061Reminder that he was a massive chinaboo and thought that Europe should imitate Chinese empire to prosper. >>722975932At least he was consistent in his snarks and seething. He thought Christianity was retarded, but also very publicly talked of Jews and Muslims being even more subhumans.
>>722971080Iceland?
>>722971080all of africa
>>722976610Based unapologetic retard
>>722976610That's...I...
>>722976610Love me some tribal genocide
>>722971638Moron who has no idea what he's talking about.>Rome>horrible militaryis the most delusional take I've ever seen, right next to>US>horrible militaryIt's actually hilarious how before the gulf war, everyone went>wow modern warfare is back to trench warfareAfter every peer conflict wound up being that trash. Then we evaporated one of the world's largest and best equipped militaries in a matter of days, and made it look so easy everyone thought it actually was easy.Now we're back to slavs slapfighting in trench warfare, and once again everyone goes>wow modern warfare is just impossible, you get bogged down and stuck right back at trench warfare
>>722977039HAHAHAHAHAH holy shit and the idiot brings out the gulf war.
>>722977239Reminder: if your nation managed to invade another on the other side of the planet and control it for 20 years, while taking less than 2,000 deaths in those 20 years, it would be the greatest victory your kind had ever achieved.To us it's a failure. Your greatest triumphs are what losing looks like for us.
>>722977509European countries were already raping third hole shitholes in the 16th century and they didn't need a coalition to do it.
>>722977509Losing to goat herders and opium farmers is pretty embarrassing
>>722977509you managed to lose a war where you only lost 2000 men in 20 years? that's even more embarrassing.
>>722977509this is a good youtube channel but I think it was demonetized
>>722977696>losingUS won every engagement in Afghanistan and Iraq. Got bored, left.Reminder: when Britain tried to tame Afghanistan, the entire army they sent was killed.When the Soviets did it nearly 500,000 Russians had to be hospitalized due to fucking disease.When America does it, they take complete control of the country, run it for 20 years, everyone gets rich (well, everyone who invested in the MIC), and left. We lost so hard our "sworn enemies" the Taliban immediately attacked Iran as their first act upon gaining control of the military hardware we left behind lol
>>722970924>marian reform legionnaireswhich part do you mean other than it let poor people in?
>>722977892Yeah. Losing. You lost the war and accomplished nothing other than embarrassing yourself on the global stage. Other countries of the past without modern equipment and technology losing to different variables has no bearing on the fact that you lost.
>>722977642When a European country tried to invade Afghanistan their entire army was destroyed. One (1) British soldier survived. Their families were literally sold into slavery.They then tried again, and were defeated again.>>722978047>accomplished nothingWe accomplished everything.>destabilized the regioncheck>made a lot of moneycheck>got the Taliban to do our biddingcheck"oh no we lost because women can't vote or something" lol
>>722977509Every single colonial power has done that x100 though
On a related note, when did we redefine “losing a war” as being unable to achieve war goals and retreating? Losing a war used to mean having your military destroyed, being invaded, and being forced to capitulate at gunpoint.
>>722978138When a European country tried to invade Afghanistan their army was one of the countless small contigent sent around the world because they had bigger priorities than wrestling goat herders with no resources. When you invaded your logistics weren't bound with military obligations and putting down of rebellions over territories halfway across the world. You smashed the entire force of your military and technological progress on this singular goatfucker country and STILL had to enlist a coalition of countless countries to help pick up your slack. And you STILL lost.
The mongols showed how to conquer afghanistan hundreds of years ago. Anyone who attempts it and does differently is a delusional larper, and not to be taken seriously.
>>722978243pre-antiquity when they figured out that you can ask for an alliance with another tribe so that when your military was destroyed they can use theirs to prevent the invaders from enforcing their demands
>>722968239>2,000 yearsDebatable, 1000 for sure and the early republican an late imperial era are indeed underrepresented.
>>722978173>Every single colonial power has done that x100 thoughLast I checked when the British retreated from Kabul, one single solitary individual British man escaped. Over 10,000 people were killed in a matter of days, numerous more captured. The wife of the commanding officer was sold into slavery.>>722978326>wrestling goat herders with no resources.>no resources>literally one of the largest producers of opium>the thing the British were making bank forcing the Chinese to buylol>STILL had to enlist a coalition of countless countriesyou mean decided it would be fun to bring our boys along and pick up the tab since none of them can afford logistics, fuck it while we're at it we'll even help France in Mali with their logistics since they can barely manage to float across the Mediterranean without help, no big dealreminder, even the second time they tried they failed.
>>722977892>thousands of killed, maimed and ptsd-ridden servicemen is actually good because the suits got their pockets lined upAbsolutely Jewish and twisted mentality, fuck you.
>>722978537>ptsd-riddenWhy does extinguishing muslims hurt the american soul?
>>722977509>mutts brag about their k:d in afghanistan>look it up>their afghan meatshields had more deaths than the taliban
>>722978579Its still brown on brown violence
>>722978514It takes a real retard to be this delusional. Impressive. You still lost with the entire force of your army and your coalition of handlers making sure you didn't lose too hard.
>>722970559Pretty sure that's just nine existent.Even the autistic Europa Barbarorum mods for TW start post-Camillus iirc.
>>722978381Why are the Bactrians so hard to conquer and tame? Everyone got fucked there.In comparison, huge native empires fell to a handful of Spaniards with diarrhea.
>>722978537I'm not going to pretend to care.>wtf I joined the military and I had to fight? omg?!get fucked bozo, it's not even a real job. Working construction has a higher risk of both injury and death than being a US soldier during an active conflict. Driving a truck is significantly more dangerous.>>722978642Some of the Afghans are still white literal Aryans who have just been in their little valleys since the bronze age. The place wasn't even entirely under Muslim rule until nearly 1900. They were still practicing pre-Zoroastrian Iranic religions.
>>722978642pfft
>>722978739Well it helped that the natives weren't unified and held grudges against one another.
>>722978514actually if we're going by your standards the british won. they sat on the country for a while and got guarillad by civilians. they sent an avenging force and demolished the country then retreated because they got bored.
>>722978771Fun fact the word for mother is the same in English and Persian, you can check on google translate.That blue eyed white man is why jews want USA/the west to hate and invade iran.
>burger “””victories”””
>>722978845It fucked me up reading some Old Persian decrees and learning the word for grab in Old Persian is literally just grab.Fuck are the odds of that. It's not even grab in German.
>>722968239HRE has a better claim to roman Empire than Byzantine. At least they could see Rome in their lifetime.
>>722968239The movie Ben Hur basically codified what the Roman Empire is supposed to look like in most people's minds.
>>722970903No. It sold poorly because it's called Attila. More than half ameriburger couldn't tell it was about Rome
>>722979109Everyone interested in a historical strategy game about Rome knows who Attila is. You're not nearly as special as you think you are.
>>722979014Man, I'd like to go to iran one day for travel I bet it's fucking sick as long as you can avoid the jeets.
>>722978514Vietnam was producing more opium than fucking Afghanistan back then. It's a major producer today because it's a lawless shit hole. You're ignorant in the subject you're trying to wrestle with
>>722979109Anyone with any self-respect left dropped the series after the shitfest that was Rome 2 and its launch.
>>722979109nah. the battle are good but everything else about attila sucks.
>>722978845>>722979014Indo-European languages, man.Fundamental words like mutter/mother/mater, father and others are still very similar to this day.
>>722979038Rome (the city) was not even administrative center of the Western empire anymore when it fell. The capital had been moved first to Milan and then to Ravenna.
>>722979130I'm not special, even your average WW2 bro will struggle to give you a proper timeline of the only historical thing they know about. Roman empire is already niche, I was quite benevolent when I said 50%
>>722979367Yeah, Roman empire collapsed, I heard about it
>>722977509Spain and Portugal brought your entire continent to heel, and you can't even gun down a bunch of goat fuckers hiding in the mountains, rumao
>>722979419West had ceased to be Rome's relevant center long before the fall.
>>722979243Despite being schizo-Islamic, they have done an incredible job preserving their history. Everything is still there. Tomb of Cyrus, Tomb of Darius, fire temples, all sorts of shit all relatively unmolested. Iran has also preserved Iranian sites outside their borders, they recently helped Iraq with stabilizing structures in Ctesiphon. They also tried to negotiate with the Taliban to quit destroying historical sites, but that didn't work as well.
Personally I find the Byzantium period of Roman history to be the most interestinghttps://youtu.be/EbODqBlngkg
>>722979109>>722970903Why would people give the company another chance only 2 years after the disaster that was Rome 2? It hardly mattered if the Attila was good or not.
>>722979587I always get the impression iranians secretly resent all the sandniggers despite publicly accepting their religion and partial culture.Even it it’s for centuries now.
>>722979587Exactly what I wanna go see.
>>722976610this anon never questioned where the slaves came from
>>722974727Good point. If your grandma doesnt know about the period in history it doesnt have mainstream appeal and nobody is going to be interested. This is why every videogame and every movie is remake, because people are only interested in old shit they've already heard of a million times and hate learning about or trying something new.
>>722979613>Personally I find the Byzantium period of Roman history to be the most interestingThis. I would like to see the fall of Constantinople film.
>>722979543And it would be a good soil for the Byzantine Empire. I don't know what to tell. It was a Greek empire that filled the void of Rome waning authority. The fact that it was peaceful doesn't change much.If Germany had annexed the UK mainland during a world war, you wouldn't call the Raj as the British empire, 1000 year from it, even if it was an insane cash machine.
>>722979706It'd give me the shits, and evidently they are me
>>722979889>If Germany had annexed the UK mainland Uh, I mean... Give or take a few thousand years but we did.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_settlement_of_Britain
>>722979271Good, good. Now who controlled Vietnam, and what was that nation's relationship with England? They didn't invade twice because they didn't want the place.>>722979540I want to talk shit but there is nothing that will convince me the Spanish conquest of the new world was not directly blessed by God.>show up>wow just so happen to link up with probably the only person in the entire world who can speak both the local language and Spanish>wow the natives just so happen to all fucking die in droves everywhere we go>wow the political situation is a total powderkeg and we just happen to be in the perfect position in every way to take full advantage of it>even still manage to make every right choice every time to come out on top of one of the most turbulent political situations possible, play every side and win every gambleeven Colombus who was a total fuckup as far as Spanish (yeah I know not Spanish) conqueror/explorers go got God to turn the sun off for him when shit got dicey so he could keep fucking around.Those fuckers had access to the developer console and no other explanation is sane.
>>722979706How much respect or concern do Western Christians have for Levantine Christians lmao.
>>722979889Except in this case, the Raj would border the UK, house the empire's biggest city and capital and be the populated by people considered as core to the empire as the English.
>>72298004699% of western Christians do not even know Levantine Christians exist.100% of Iranians know that Arabs exist.
>>722979889It's funny because it doesn't really make sense but everyone understands it anyways due to human logic being strange like that
my favorite roman emperor :)
Because modern developers don't actually know Roman history.The most the entertainment media knows about Rome is "Caesar? He invented pizza" or "hey remember that Russel Crowe movie"
>>722980046>>722980074Had a friend with a grandfather with distant generic "arab" ancestry tell an Iranian they were "cousins" in an event and the iranian guy had a fucking meltdown.It wasn't just a "nah, bro", he crashed out and got angry and shit.
>>722971080North Korea
>>722980181here's mine
>>722971080Austria unironically.
>>722980181Westoid emperors could never.
>>722980069You could easily imagine India being rich as fuck (it was if it wasn't for industrialization reshuffling the cards, you could argue that the conquest of India was well underway before it), it probably had the biggest cities in the empire. They would still be speaking Hindi like Byzantine spoke Greek.
Did Justian's attempt to retake the Western Roman Empire doom the Byzantine empire?
>>722979367All HRE cities.
TW Attila still doesn't run 100% properly on my PC to this fucking day.What a missed opportunity.
>>722978598that's iraq, shitskin turdie
>>722979870there is one, the turks made one right? dunno if its any good though, plus it was made by the people who took them out, so shits probably written like the turks are the avengers going against thanos or some shit
>>722969991Maximus Thayne!
>>722968239Julius Caesar was the most interesting person to ever live
>>722981538You should meet my mate frank, he's got a wooden leg
>>722981498WHACK 'IM
>>722968239>RomeMiss me with that shit.
>>722982292>not liking romeAnon... are you doing allright? That is a bit concerning.
>>722970559Rise of the republic for R2 feature himBut not much really
>>722980508No they were fucked bigly either way with the plague about to occur. Should they never attempt to retake it they still collapse back home anyway and simply save themselves the embarrassment of getting humiliated by their Germanic masters cause post-plague byzantines simply arent holding both halves
*Inhales*HUDREEEEEEEEYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!I'd love more games set in the Bronze Age. Even something like some weird slice of life game. It'd be fun to get drunk on that communal beer vase while playing Ur with the bros after a long day of running goods back and forth from the local trader to the temple complex of Inanaa. Maybe even have a little farming and religious worship, or travel between different cities from Susa to the lands of the Hittites.
>>722982356I'm Iranian so yeah, I'm doing just fine (not really).
>>722982760Good luck designing fun spear combat
>>722982760I remember her being an uggo why is she so lewd here
>>722982818It's okay Iran bro. I'd love to see more games set in the Near East and it's outlying areas. A game involving the Elamites would be wonderful.
>>722982869It wouldn't just be spears, anon. There's also slings, bows, swords, daggers, maces, clubs, javelins, chariots, and axes.
>>722982428>Plague>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_JustinianWow. And this was before the black plague.
>>722971080Germany and Austria
>>722982428This is why in the Justinian campaign in TW:Attila I always prioritized on building aqueducts and public bathhouses, like a true Roman and Nippon-jin would do. Health > Wealth
>>722982876Cheers.We have to wait for that until eternity lol.
>>722982990There's a good book on the matter called Justinian's Flea. A quote from Precopius:"And in the second year it reached Byzantium in the middle of spring, where it happened that I was staying at that time. And it came as follows. Apparitions of supernatural beings in human guise of every description were seen by many persons, and those who encountered them thought that they were struck by the man they had met in this or that part of the body, as it havened, and immediately upon seeing this apparition they were seized also by the disease. Now at first those who met these creatures tried to turn them aside by uttering the holiest of names and exorcising them in other ways as well as each one could, but they accomplished absolutely nothing, for even in the sanctuaries where the most of them fled for refuge they were dying constantly."Be thankful for modern medicine. Otherwise this shit would be happening quite a bit more often.
>>722982876Prince of Persia
>>722983129>Be thankful for modern medicine. Otherwise this shit would be happening quite a bit more often.Indeed. I always roll my eyes when some people say to themselves that they would rather be a medieval peasant than a modern man. They're so fucking stupid.
>>722983240Medieval peasants didn't have to watch Jews destroy a thousand years of western civilization
>>722983092Cheers. It irritates me that most accounts of Iranian or Persian governments come from Roman accounts. I mean fuck, slavery in Persia was incredibly less common than in Rome. Some estimates put Roman slaves at a tenth of the total population. Not to say that it didn't happen, but at least the Persian economy wasn't completely backed up on slave labor. You even tended to have more rights and religious freedoms throughout the Roman period in Persian territory. But I'm preaching to the choir. It's just frustrating that most people in the West only think and understand Persia through the lens of that shitty 300 film.
>>722983305Please anon, don't start.
>>722968239Byzantines aka GREEKS don't count as Roman history
>>722983305Then why don't you just kys?
>>722980456>"Her Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty, Maria Theresa, by the Grace of God, Dowager Empress of the Romans, Queen of Hungary, of Bohemia, of Dalmatia, of Croatia, of Slavonia, of Galicia, of Lodomeria, etc.; Archduchess of Austria; Duchess of Burgundy, of Styria, of Carinthia and of Carniola; Grand Princess of Transylvania; Margravine of Moravia; Duchess of Brabant, of Limburg, of Luxemburg, of Guelders, of Württemberg, of Upper and Lower Silesia, of Milan, of Mantua, of Parma, of Piacenza, of Guastalla, of Auschwitz, of Zator; Princess of Swabia; Princely Countess of Habsburg, of Flanders, of Tyrol, of Hainault, of Kyburg, of Gorizia and of Gradisca; Margravine of Burgau, of Upper and Lower Lusatia; Countess of Namur; Lady of the Wendish Mark and of Mechlin; Dowager Duchess of Lorraine and Bar, Dowager Grand Duchess of Tuscany, etc."
>>722983240As baffling as it might sound like, even the seemingly obvious medical and hygienic practices are really new. Reminder that the first medical professional who claimed that doctors need to wash their hands before touching patients was declared insane and died in an asylum. In fucking 1865.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
>>722983305They still knew what the Jew was capable of, just didn't let them parasitize our faustian hyperborean spirit as they have today.
>>722983240I can understand the sentiment, but agree with you. Watching five of your seven children die for most of human history would be fucking brutal. Even if one could say that there would be more freedom, this ignores the fact that even before recorded history we have archeological records that point towards recognized territory with fairly demarcated areas of control. Running off into the forests of Germania during the Roman period to escape oppression would very likely result in being enslaved, killed, or worse. As much as I don't like many things about modern society, it's still quite a bit better than freezing to death in the tundras of Siberia with your extended clan.
>>722983379>Duchess of Auschwitzbased
>>722983383>doctors need to wash their hands before touching patients was declared insane and died in an asylum.>In fucking 1865.What the fuck?! Isn't that common sense though? Like I mean if you spend all day shoveling shit for the lord and you're about to eat dinner, would it not make sense to rinse your hand at the river?
>>722983525white peepoo don wash they hands
>>722979109More specifically it's about the fall of Rome. The closest to an apocalyptic scenario when it came to human civilization. While Attila himself didn't destroy Rome, he ushered its accelerated demise. To this day, Attila's title menu is still one of the most kino game menus out there. https://youtu.be/dh9HI4eudR8?si=avLcy8VfCsyqX349
>>722983379Not so fast!"His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular"
>>722983525white niggas be wilin fr
>>722983525They didn't have germ theory you fucking idiotI can see your stupid ass questioning why people built homes with asbestos
>>722969319>Because the peak of Rome as an imperial powerThere are multiple peaks tho...You have the Pax Romana era, Constantine's Golden Age, Basil II's reign, and the Komnenian restoration. Also, the periods of decline are way more interesting than the periods of prosperity, especially for a video game or story. Imagine a game set during Hannibal's invasion of Rome, or the Crisis of the Third Century, or the invasion of Atilla, or the Justinian Wars, or the Roman–Sasanian War of 602–628. All of those would be gigakino>>722969991>I love rome! who's your favorite holy roman emperor?Fredrick II. Utter kino. After him, it'd be Charlemange. The Holy Roman Empire wasn't Rome though. I'll accept the concession that they were a successor state to WESTERN Rome, but it would be impossible for them to be THE Roman Empire, when it still existed in the East
>>722983634>They didn't have germ theory you fucking idiotI get that but it's still fucking filthy, and one would come to the conclusion on their own because that it isn't sanitary. By the way, did you take a bath, anon?
>>722968239kinda poetic, this drawing is supposed to be emperor constantine xi and Giovanni Giustiniani, the last leaders of constantinople consists of a contantine and a justinian (Giustiniani).
>>722983240>>722983383>>722983525Medical practitioners are very proud and refuse to acknowledge their mistakes. It's commonplace even today.Also for the most part medical intervention helped kill the patient faster rather than help them. Needing a doctor was essentially a death sentence you accepted because everything else from folk healers or whatever failed you.When being thankful for modern medicine you should think about 20th Century onwards.
>>722983594>While Attila himself didn't destroy Rome, he ushered its accelerated demise.Nah, what ushered in the accelerated demise of Western Rome was Rome killing everyone competent: Stilicho, Flavius Aetius, and Majorian all immediately come to mind -- all incredibly competent leaders and generals who were killed because of greed and ambition. Aetius especially was a major loss because he was THE man who sent Atilla running after he beat him in battle.
>>722983594Scratch that, the Sea People's destruction of nearly all the bronze age civilizations was still the most devastating but early Christians were so horrified of the Huns that they outright called them the horsemen of the apocalypse and the bringer of the end times. Very fitting that Games Workshop based most of the Chaos Warriors from Warhammer Fantasy on them.
>>722983525My grandma had to take arterial blood samples while in the hospital and the nurse responsible for it entered the room already wearing gloves and was touching everything, including the door knob.Thankfully my grandfather was a doctor and forced them to follow proper hygiene protocols. Even if best practices are known today, retards still refuse to follow them.Hospitals are a horrow show.
>>722983648idk man, while basils empire is respectable and still a superpower, along with the komnenian era, those arent really "peaks" when you compare it to the other 2
>>722983737>The surprising history of hand-washinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w04gTXu1mHM>Conducting an autopsy while assisting a woman giving birth, which is taking place in the same room.What the fuck was wrong with people back then?
>>722983594The Roman Empire never "collapsed". Fucking Clovis was made a consul by the Eastern Roman Emperor and accepted this title. Justinian wasnt seen as a foreign invader nor did he present himself as one, instead he was simply there to strengthen Roman institutions, partially on the behest of the locals like in Iberia. Throughout the early middle ages people would see themselves as Romans, speak latin and follow Roman institutions. Rome didnt collapse, it just slowly faded away and by the high middle ages it was fully replaced by feudalism.
>>722983891>Conducting an autopsy while assisting a woman giving birth, which is taking place in the same room.Oh no, there were in separate rooms but Doctors wouldn't wash hands when dealing with dead bodies and babies. There's some kind of irony in all of this.
>>722983335I think it's better to stay off the radar. Less chances of shitty media products about us like modern gaems.
>>722983594If you enjoy apocalyptic historical events, I'd recommend reading about the Late and Middle Bronze Age Collapses. "Letters sent from the king of Ugarit before his city was destroyed tell of a flotilla of approaching warships and beg nearby kingdoms for aid. The letters claim the king’s land and sea forces were deployed elsewhere as the invaders “did evil things in my country.” After the fall of Ugarit, another letter was dispatched describing the city’s fate: “Our city is sacked. May you know it! May you know it!” Egyptian records show that the Sea Peoples attacked several times, and each time Egyptian forces prevailed. In a final, decisive battle in 1177 BCE, Egypt defeated a large onslaught of the Sea Peoples. However, the battle was so costly in terms of money and lives that the empire was left crippled. The Sea Peoples disappeared from history at this point, and the Egyptian Empire began a slow decline."
>>722983820Rome's demise was many factors and that was definitely a cause but the main issue was that the Huns drove multitudes of barbarian refugees into Roman provinces and caused wide spread unrest. These barbarians would later sack rome. Without the Huns displacing the visigoths and vandals, they would have stayed in their lands instead. It is really a lesson that uncontrolled migration can destroy a country.
>>722983828The Sea Peoples were BTFO by Ramses III and then he just kinda gave them lands to live in and that was that. Total nothingburger.
>>722983891And they probably treated the idea that germs and bacteria caused infections as some sort of conspiracy because thousands of years of Humorism couldn't be wrong.Smart people are sometimes dumber than actual retards.
>>722968239anything after constantine is not rome
>>722984004The Germans had lived in the empire or worked for them for centuries by that point.
>>722984028Egypt was one of the few survivors of the bronze age collapse but even then fighting off the sea people drove Egypt to bankruptcy. Nearly everything else in the mediterrenan had been destroyed and sacked. What's more puzzling is that the sea people left no artifacts of their existence. They just went and raided everything then fucked off.
>>722983828well there really aren't that many other real life candidates to use as inspiration for "marauding barbarians" in a notEurope contextWarriors of Chaos, Greenskins, and Ogres are all basically different balances of a Norse Raider and Steppe Horde blendmaybe if Araby was relevant as a faction in any way but in writing and game design it would be a bit of a stretch to find a place for them
>>722983525You're doing that thing where you invent sentences you want to respond to rather than responding to the ones before your eyes. If you were a farmer shoveling shit for a living yeah you'd obviously rinse your hands before eating when you come back home but when you're shoveling shit all day you wouldn't take a break every hour to wash your hands when you've still got hours of shit to shovel. The circumstances of life were wildly different than modern times. You didn't have a pipe pumping infinite water into your operating room. The water you'd have is the water you physically hauled or on the off-chance that you actually did have such an advanced operation they'd be coming through lead or other dubious rusty metals and lead to poisoning if you did wash. You didn't have proper sedatives so you'd have to wrestle with your patients while cutting them up even with your assistant holding them down because one big twitch and you're killing him.
>>722984138Almost like they didnt exist
>>722984087so they were basically roman? the romans were taken out by rebelling romans?
I think most once succesful nations or empires end up failing mostly because of a rooted endemic corruption that pervades and erodes the very institutions that made them succesful in the same place.They just think nothing will happen to them or it will be a problem for future generations. Why not fill your pockets now? Enough for you and your family to btfo if shit hits the fan.
>>722983983Fair enough. I raise my cup in a toast to thee, Iran bro. My next playthrough as the Elamites in Pharaoh, I dedicate to you.>>722984004That's only one factor. By the end of the Crisis of the Third Century, a sizeable portion of the Roman Empire's military was made up of first or second generation Germanic speaking peoples, at least on the Danube and Rhine regions, which were THE hotbed for the West. These men served with distinction, and some even rose up to become Emperors or Magister Militum in their own right. One of the most competent Magister Militum was Stilicho, who carried the West's ass up until his assassination by Honorius. There are many, many factors that feature into the collapse of the WRE, simply stating migration is a vast oversimplification of a complex topic.
>>722984087Germans is very blanket term since nearly all of europe was german. Although that did contribute some issues. Germans learned the ways of the romans and used it against them constantly, like the teutoburg disaster.What I am specifying though is that a lot of eastern german tribes were forced into the west and now wanted land of their own.
>>722984138>What's more puzzling is that the sea people left no artifacts of their existenceWhat's even funnier is that people really think that Sea People weren't literally the ancestor of Jews. Think about it, not creators but destroyers, robbing the working man of fruits earned by his own blood sweat and tears while having nothing to show for it? Then using that capital to fellate themselves as some badass warriors that they are not.Sound familiar?
>>722984303Sounds like colonizers.
>>722984364Colonizers GIVE LIFE to new lands not pilfer it
>>722984278Thanks. Stay safe and healthy.
>>722984364The people pumping infinite money and setting up schools and infrastructure into unprofitable colonies?
>>722984206Yes. Germanic peoples served as foederati for centuries at that point. Alaric himself was one and raised in the eastern Roman empire and his goal wasnt to destroy Rome (the sacking was extremely mild) but to pressure Honorius into giving him official titles and his people official recognition because he considered himself a Roman.
>>722977509>bomb people armed with sticks and stones from beyond visual range>jump around all giddy like you actually did something outstandingYou're genuinely stupid.
There's a lot of good discussion about Western Rome's fall here. For anyone here who wants a relatively new and high quality take on what led to Western Rome's fall, I recommend Adrian Goldsworthy's book on How Rome Fell. Its a really good and informative read imo
>>722984206theoretically. but what is a roman?
>>722984206The issue is that roman citizens don't want to be part of rome anymore. Like imagine if the united states had multiple secessions while china is invading europe, displacing a number of european and african refugees into the USA who would later chimp out because they dont want to obey american laws... All the while the US government is saving their own hides. Also the secret service keeps assassinating the president if he pisses them off, leading to even more corruption and unrest.
>>722984387>>722984448please do not reply to pooskin posts saars
I think Imperator stops right around the time Rome became an empire
>>722979540>>722977696The webm you are reacting to is Iraq, at the time of the gulf war the Iraqi military was the second most feared non-western military after Russia. They were feared as grizzled veterans of a preceding 8 year war against Iran. Afghan was a failure of policy (of which war is only an extension). If the bridge you built collapses you don't blame the hammer that hammered the nails. You blame the architects. No shit you can't win against goat herders when the ROE is basically tying both arms around your back and one leg up.
>>722984303That is incredibly wrong. The Sea Peoples came from several different locations in the Mediterranean. The Sherden likely came from Nuragic civilizations in Sardinia, while the Peleset could have been anything to pissed off Alashiyans to sea faring Caananite mercenaries. None of the Sea Peoples could have been from the area of Judea. The area around Israel was largely a cultural and economic backwater with no military capacity to speak of outside of exceptions like Amaru. I mean fuck, the Canaanite religion which featured Yawheh was still polytheistic and dispersed from Canaan to the Hittite Empire at this point.
>>722984721Good goy!
>>722984721>to sea faring Caananite mercenariesAnd where was Canaan?
>>722984709Feared by America because they had to inflate their operation and turn curbstomping goat herders into some massive undertaking.
>>722984776Stop nooticing
>>722983648>Imagine a game set during Hannibal's invasion of Rome, or the Crisis of the Third Century, or the invasion of Atilla, or the Justinian WarsHow do you make the game? Is the player Rome and inevitably loses (not fun), Rome and capable of winning (ahistorical), or playing against Rome (not satisfying for Romeaboos)?
>>722984551Some other reads I'd recommend would be The Fall of the Roman Empire by Peter Heather and The Fall of Rome and the End of Civilization by Ward-Perkins.
>>722984709>Iraqi military was the second most feared non-western military after Russia. Blatant fear mongering campaign to justify attacking that incompetent shithole.>They were feared as grizzled veterans of a preceding 8 year war against Iran.They had the entire world backing them with latest tech and were still forced into a trench stalemate by the Iranian military which was also subject to a heavy purge after 1979 """revolution""". Iraqi military was a joke, you boomer.
I know that OP means the republican era, but I like that Total War Attila is set at the downfall of Rome all the way to the start of the Middle Ages
How this part of the world would be if the Roman Empire ruled up to Modern Era of today?
>>722975082No. Compared to other civilized nations like the hellenics, the Roman military was actually mid. They were a meat wave civ that were only superior to barbarians in quality. Constantly lost battles to the likes of successor states, epirus, carthage etc, but ended up winning the wars because they had way more numbers and could keep replenishing their decimated legions.>>722977039Similar to the us, their military strength came from good supply chain and logistics while their actual infantry is of inferior quality, only pound for pound a match for barbarians or in americas case, literal goat herders. Idea of superb roman heavy infantry is just a myth,
>>722984942kek do """historians""" really think Burgundy is in Germany?
>>722983648Those are already dlcs or scenarios for strategy games. The best you could do is maybe have a soulslike game set during the dying days of rome. China recently had a game during the collapse of the ming dynasty and it was cool. Shame chinamen had to ruin everything and forced the devs to censor it.
>>722984757Not an argument.>>722984776Canaan was a region that stretched far beyond the boundaries of the tiny hamlet that was Jerusalem during this time period. The idea that the cultural identity of Jewishness was even a thing during the 1200's is frankly, really dumb. I repeat again, by archeological findings in the region for the past century, we find that there is no evidence of high scale economic or industry in the region of Jerusalem. It was an insignificant region and would remain so until the 700's. Biblical accounts are just wrong about the significance of the area at the time. It's pure Jewish and Christian cope.
>>722984942Wanna try that again but in English this time?
>>722984786Saddam's military before the gulf war was over 6k tanks, 1000 aircraft and over 600k active troops. That is a MASSIVE military and also fresh off a harrowing conflict of over a million casualties.
>>722984912Late republican era but with 100 AD aesthetics since the whole lorica segmentata only came later.
>>722984303Cannnites were subhuman and so are you for defending child sacrificers
>>722984965>the 5'2 roman manlet was a match pound for pound for the 6'0 germanic and gallic barbarians but not for the fellow 5'2 greek manlet whose main tactic in war was pushing eachother with their shields for a bit before going homeI swear to god you hellenaboos are the biggest fucking retards on planet earth.
>>722985040And? Is that supposed to be impressive?
>>722984994>we find that there is no evidence of high scale economic or industry in the region of Jerusalem.>he thinks "Jews" = Judea The Sea-people aka the proto jews are rootless and parasitic. You've got a really out dated and thoroughly debunked view of history.
>>722984721Golem i would pay you 6 shekels but you are doing my job for free
>>722985140>6'0 germanic and gallic barbariansNot him but they weren't any different from Romans. Romans love to inflate and over exaggerate stuff to make themselves only stand out more.They had the same levels of nutritions, more or less.
>>722985249So how did the people of Italy all become brown manlets?
>>722985327Maybe in your wildly imaginative fantasy or something like that.Real world doesn't work like that.
>>722985383Nigga you have to go to like south Tyrol to find any white people in Italy. Unless you really think them mexican looking mfs were capable of the Republic?
>>722985140Well i should say barely a match for barbarians, but of course under the right conditions >pushing with shieldsBy the time rome came to prominence the reforms of phillip came to dominate hellenic militaries, which were all using organized pike blocks supported by cavalry and skirmishers, you know, the tactics that would later make a resurgence in Europe a thousand years later due to its effectiveness. Just look up events like the pyrrhic wars which exhibit the very definition of meat wave tactics by the romans, where the epirotes kept winning battle after battle but couldnt replenish their troops as fast as the romans so ended up losing. Its like that futurama joke with zapp and the kill bots.
>>722971362Yeah you clearly know nothing of it. Ever since independence guyana had been ruled by a black dictator who's sole concern was letting the blacks kill and rape as many indians as they wanted.
>>722985245hindsight is 20/20Everyone was scared of Russia before the Ukraine invasion because they WERE scary on paper. There's no guarantee either that the US couldn't be BTFO by a peer force like chyna even though they look like a paper tiger. There are way too many variables and unknowns and the results would then shape reality.
>>722985446Your skin color doesn't make you any special, snowflake.Shut up and stay down.
>>722985871No but my blond hair and blue eyes make me a pure bred descendant of the vril, the civilization builders.
>>722985848The US consistently lost against goat herders. They can't even call themselves a paper kitten.
>>722985940I understand, sorry but this is about as far as im going to engage with low IQ. Have a nice day.
>>722985932I thought vril were parasites that get into your eyes and make you become a member of the black eye club
>>722985584Based
>>722968239Because there are serious problems with so-called Byzantine history.>Existed for 1k years>Existed on the foundation of the whole Roman culture>Zero practical progress for 1k years>Zero cultural legacy for 1k years>Overwhelming majority of known documents are worthless religious bureaucracyAnyone who starts looking into that shit gets an uncanny feeling that something here is severely off, and the whole thing. So, we don't talk about "Byzantine history". There is no need to attract any public attention to it with things like video games.As of early Rome, it's just not that interesting compared to its Imperial period I guess.
>>722985994Projecting your low IQ is an odd choice but not unexpected.
>>722985932>make me a pure bred descendant of the vril, the civilization builders.>Coasting off the hard work of your ancestors means you having bragging rightsYeah, but no thanks to you.
>>722986343I am destined to change the course of history on some level, minor or major. Brown eyed people aren't. This is all very elementary stuff anon know your place.
>>722986260Also because the Byzantines in the middle ages have been punching bag of their neighbors, kinda like china. Hard to see any pride in a culture like that.
>>722986393>I am destined to change the course of history on some level, minor or major.>He pounds his chest in front of the computer, in his mother's basement.You sure showed us! Glory to Rome!
I'd rather have some games about the Mongols, they killed a lot of Russians, Chinese, and Middle Easterners
>>722983129I wish that was happening quite a bit more often.
>>722983305well.....
>>722984986Germanic tribe.
>>722968239m2TW mod Tsardoms : Total War
>>722983305You aren't either. You're watching them make their final mistake
>>722986509Mhm yes even my 6am shitposting will have a more of a karmic effect on the universe than your entire brown eyed bloodline. You are zero.I'll speak in a language you can understand. You browns are essentially the poorly rendered jpg NPCs copy/pasted across the crowd in old sports games.
>>722985932And what are you building besides terrible bait on 4cucks?
>>722988640Well I am going to work on Monday so 1 for me
>>722971197bannerlord sucks ass not even mods can save it
>>722969871Everyone in history was a retard.
>>722989489Nordics completely independently discovered iron working 1000 years before everyone else.
>>722987168i want mongoloid sex
>>722989784they are cheap because mongolia is incredibly poor.
>>722989784>>722990094I recently learned that there are almost twice as many Mongols in China than there is population Mongolia.
>>722988670>He serves under someone>He is not his own master.You bring shame to your ancestors.
>>722989784can I get a source for rawhide annie enkhbat?
>>722988484Hubris is your downfall. The barbarians are already within the city walls, and yet, you do nothing. >"It's all going according to plan" as he downs another twinkie down his throat.What have your ancestors done to deserve this dead-end of a man? Have the gods forsaken them!
>>722990319Is it a border thing where they're in the steppe but it's "china" the same way it's "russia" but they still more or less just mosey around barren flatlands eating jerked horsemeat?
>>722990796There are around 24 million people here, 4 million of them Mongols. Population of neighboring Mongolia is around 3.5 million.
>>722986260Basically everything you said is wrong or also true of other civilizations. What a dumb faggot you are.The reason there's no Byzantine game or media is because our idea of "Rome" is completely different to how it really existed for most of its history. It's difficult to grasp how a country can be called Rome but be made if Greeks, Anatolians, Slavs, Jews etc who speak Greek and behave and dress completely differently, have a weird version of Christianity, are *distinctly* foreign in many ways.
>>722968239Hadrian's Twink Simulator
AND YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL, MY EMPIRE OF DIRT
>>722984897You're not smarter than military analysts at the time. You're a monday morning quarterback suffering from dunning-kruger because you think its smart to predict the results of an outcome that already happened.
>>722990973Yeah but like, that land was mongolia and now belongs to china since the year 19XX or whatever, right?Did you take a piece of mongolian territory and call it china, or was that always china and mongols are coming across the border due to living in relative economic deprivation?
>>722983943"Slowly faded away" is a very kind description of a massive population and wealth collapse, both rural and urban. People picking up Roman culture and the Church surviving doesn't change that.
>>722968239>devs always choose the same shitI disagree.You have games like Rome 2 Total War in wich you can play several different campaigns. From early Roman Republic to the Crisis of the Third Century.
>>722992309>the culture didn't fade away it actually totally collapsed>those parts where the culture endured for thousands of years don't count because i said soOK everyone step the fuck back, we got the king of history over here tellin it how it actually was.
>>722992606Rome is not just the Roman culture, and while said culture didn't vanish, collapse (in the West) of the entire socioeconomic environment in which it grew certainly affected how it developed further.
>>722969594man attila was really something elsethe first horror strategy game for meyou start with a dying empire and the second you think you got it, the fucking apocalypse begins and the horse fuckers raze every single city you have
>>722971080Anything purely peaceful and benevolent towards its neighbors either got conquered immediately or changed its tune really fast after first contact.
>>722977509>trillion dollar war machine beat 50 yo AK47swow
>>722977509Nigga your entire military brass laments the WOT, only complete boots (like Hegseth) praise it because it was the only time in their lives they felt important.Do you wanna talk about what it did to the public's perception of the military and the recruitment crisis it caused?
>>722993361Yeah it's the only Total War game where mid-to-late game isn't a complete snorefestEven playing as a smaller power and carving out your own fief in the ruins of the WRE/ERE feels really precarious with all the corruption, fertility and Hun doomstacks
>>722994129best dlcs for attila and rome?
Late Empire semi-historical RPG where you play as a prince of the foederati could be cool. You get to pick how Romaboo you want to be, whether you go Arian or Nicene and how successful you are in preserving "barbarian" Rome.
>>7229946211212 ad is pretty good thats a mod though
>>722994129I think it's also the only TW where settlements that get razed stay razed for good so losing them put a great blow to any settled faction. In other games, razing a settlement can be easily rebuilt in like 1 or 2 turns completely undoing it.
>>722969991Charlemagne and Charles V>>722976079>but also very publicly talked of Jews and Muslims being even more subhumans.Not like that was impressive, the jews back then were considered pariah by almost everyone. Even muslims hated other muslims, the turks were described by other muslims as beasts.
>>722991332>Appeal to authority.
>>722969991Angela Merkel
>>722983480And speaking of Blood Libel victims, jews to this day deny those events. While on the other hand the victims of those events were remembered as martyrs until after WW2, their celebrations were hidden (they still exist tho) of the public eye by the Catholic Church. Man, politics are in everything, especially in Church business.Makes you wonder if there wasn't a better way to handle those ordeals inside the Church.
>>722997431The Vatican has been cucked with Jewish popes picked out by the Jewish Medicis for a very, very long time.
>>722977509>american victory>look inside>42 nation coalitiontell me who won vietnam next
>>722979038>Some German kingdom had a better claim to Rome than the Roman empire
>>722969991Frederick III and Maximilian. They laid the foundation of Habsburg ascendency. Borrowed heavily from Fucker, married into owning the Netherlands, Maximilian wasn't much of a fighter but went on many campaigns in Italy. They seem like a father and son who had a plan and singlemindedly pursued it, which led to the Habsburgs ruling large parts of Europe until the 20th century
>>722998425>A bunch of Slavs and Anatolians far away from Rome had a better claim to Rome than an an empire that basically included Rome
>>722968239because greeks have nothing to do with western modern culture meaning who the fuck careslate (western) empire was assearly republic is assroyal period is assungabunga latins is assonly Caesar and Augustus matter (for majority of peeople)
>>722968239Which 100 years?
>>722998745They were Romans who were part of the empire that Augustus founded, so yes
>>722999107The core of Rome was the city and its people. They had more relation to the HRE than Byzantium. They called the Byzantines "the Greeks", the emperor the king of the Greeks. Because they spoke Greek, had ethnic Greeks in their country. The HRE was mostly German. But it was right next to Italy, ruled (on and off, de jure and de facto) Italy. And when it didn't rule Italy it was because Rome through the pope was basically ruling *them*. That's far closer to something "Roman" than a quite foreign and eastern state, with its own weird version of Christianity. I mean think about it. An empire heavily influenced and a third-owned by Italian popes with names like Hadrian, Julius, Honorius, Constantine... Or a Greek state with leaders called shit like sebastos philipopolopodos and stuff - which is more "Roman"?
>>722968239>roman history spans over 2,000 yearsRome started 753BC and ended somewhere around 500-700AD, that's like ~1500 years if we are being generous. NO, the Byzantine Empire is NOT Rome. Cope more, cockroach.
>>722968239Until like 200 BC we can't really say anything for sure, that's "mythical age" even for the Romans200 BC to 50 AD or so you have the high age of the Republic and Principate. Complete Kino, full stop.50 AD to 250 AD or so you have autists, murderers, rapists and murderously autistic rapists, gets old pretty fast.250 AD to 471 is just a neverending story of strong men thinking they're hot shit, couping the state, only to get deposed by strong men thinking they're hot shit until the Germans take over.
>>722968239Ancient Roman history is the most overrated thing that people obsess about here and other "similar" places; their aesthetic and ways of living (and thinking) never appealed to me - compared to Greeks, who are at least semi-appealing tnx to their poetic ways most of the time...All in all, they're just boring to study - because they were just... boring
>>722971080Rome
>>722997128Google what that logical fallacy actually means. Then google dunning kruger for good measure because you just got giga fingered bahahaha
>>722979038>HRE has a better claim to roman Empire than Byzantine.They were equal in my opinion, IIRC the Bizantine Empress in the times of Charlemagne wanted to marry him to create an alliance, but it wasn't possible because East-Roman Politics were a microcosm of issues.
>>723000220you'd have a point if the Byzantines were some literal who Greek state that just decided to call themselves Roman one day for whatever reason, but I don't know how I can make it clearer that they were literally the Roman empire, Rome was ruled by two emperors, and the western part proceeded to fall, "Byzantine" is an ahistorical name, we just call them that to distinguish ancient Rome from medieval Rome.>The core of Rome was the city and its people.late into the empire the city of Rome became less important, Rome wasn't even the administrative capital of the western Emperors, it was Milan and Ravenna. Also Roman citizenship and what it meant to be Roman became less about the city itself, you even had every single free person in the empire become a Roman citizen. If we're basing it off of the city itself, then you might as well say that western Rome stopped being Roman when they changed their capital, or the HRE can't be Roman because Rome was never their capital>That's far closer to something "Roman" than a quite foreign and eastern stateNot really, even if we're just talking about Greeks, the Romans loved the Greeks, they were very similar culturally and religiously and the Romans didn't even consider the Greeks as barbarians, Greek itself became an aristocratic language among the Romans. Romans would consider the Byzantines far closer to themselves than barbaric Germans north. And it's just dumb to say that the Roman empire is foreign to itself.>Or a Greek state with leaders called shit like sebastos philipopolopodos and stuffDo you think every Roman emperor was from Italy?I think you just don't know Roman history desu, you're just trying to say the HRE was Roman based off of arbitrary rules that you're making up as we go
>>722968239I want an RPG game where you can explore the world of Antiquity. The free and militaristic germanics, schizo religious celts, posh and scholarly greeks, exotic parthians/medes/persians, philosophical yet also schizo egyptians, numidians, all the different temples and magical rituals.. hnnngggggggggg
>>722999008Late republic and 1st century ad. After that rome started to decay by employing more and more germans as citizens and military personnel.
>>722994621Arguably there aren't any must have dlcs, aside maybe to enable mods.Ace if Charlemagne is neat but it's own thing, similar case with Last Roman which is just a different main campaign with Romans that can use the horde mechanic.The rest are just faction packs which differ in quality but only matter if you care about playing those specific factions.
>>722968239Because Rome had the same enemies for centuries. Early Rome had Samnites, Etruscans into Hannibal and Carthage, but after that it's just almost exclusively Germanic barbarians, Persians, or lastly Huns. And of course the eternal Roman enemy: other Romans.
>>722989784>tfw no steppe cowboy gf
>>722971783>japan is always sengoku period. Nobody gives a shit about every other periodI hoped that the global success of Kimetsu no Yaiba would have pushed some developer into tapping the unexplored potential of the Taishō era, but nobody apparently gives a fuck about the most interesting period in Japanese history.I hate this faggot world
>>722971080Fingolia
>>722968239the Roman wanks are so retarded and every time some one attempt to make a media out of it, it's a cringefest. It turns out most romaboo romantized Rome out of their own head canon and never pick up a single history book themselves. It's baffling.
>>722982292>average pajama enjoyer
>>722982876>A game involving the Elamites would be wonderful.Don't tell the Assyrians that.
>>722983991Based 1177 enjoyer.
>>722983305Medieval peasants would have given way more of a shit about how their goats were doing that morning than the entire history of Western civilization.
>>723005320the main problem here is that, most romans or history fans in general are either military chuds or great man theory chuds. A lot of game fail to get the aesthetic out of ancient culture is because they don't study Art history, but no one do because Art history is onions.
>>722968239Because nobody really knows history so to set an action adventure in the Persian empire, Prussia, Ottoman empire or really early China all historical context will be lost on most players.
>>722992309Yea, the empire lost land but whatever land it did not lose was still roman.
>>723001582It "literally" was not. No state can pass through 1000 years, with shifting borders, demographics and culture, and remain the same. The eastern empire was completely transformed over time. If it were 500 AD you might have a point. But by medieval times there was absolutely nothing Roman about it except its name. Of course you can say something like that about the HRE. But the difference was that 1. The HRE had the Roman heartland that was the original centre of power and, my claim, the essential "Roman" part, and 2. The people were genetically and culturally more Roman than the Byzantines because they spoke Latin and there were literal Italians in the empire. >But the empire wasn't just the western part...Doesn't matter. Italians founded the empire. The empire at its peak was ruled from Italy. Greek cultural influences notwithstanding, the glorious foundation of the empire is the essence of the empire. Its distant offshoot doesn't supplant it because it became richer or it survived longer, sorry.>You just don't know historyYou know a Reddit-Wikipedia version of history where "did you know the roman empire lasted til 1453???" is considered deep esoteric knowledge
>>722968239Its because the most iconic and recognizable aesthetics of rome are pic related. Too early or too late could make it less identifiable to midwits and historylets.
>>723006603>Its because the most iconic and recognizable aesthetics of rome are pic related. Too early or too late could make it less identifiable to midwits and historylets
>>722991332>Military analystsYeah, sure, they weren't definitely making shit up to justify it all to the average retard like you. Get the fuck outta here.
>>723005401My ancestors :-)
Was Tiberius really a pedo rapist
>>722968239>rpg nigger wakes up>makes 30 of the same off topic threads he always makeshow much of the board would immediately improve if every single post you made today was chain deleted
>>722971080Easter Island was apparently devoid of any warfare or homicide before the Dutch arrived.
>>723005401PAJAMAMANII
>>723007385Let's see that factory anon
>>723007408Weren't they the guys who fucked themselves over and cut down all of their trees?
>>722983129>Apparitions of supernatural beings in human guise of every description were seen by many persons, and those who encountered them thought that they were struck by the man they had met in this or that part of the body, as it havened, and immediately upon seeing this apparition they were seized also by the disease.reminds me of Pathologic
>>723008007They brought in rats on their ships which ate a lot of the plants on the island which eventually led to soil erosion and deforestation.
>>723006458>No state can pass through 1000 years, with shifting borders, demographics and culture, and remain the same.Aspects of a state change, but it is still the same state. Is the Rome of Constantine not Roman because it was different from the Rome of Romulus? The borders, demographics, and culture were completely different. A state changing is just a natural part of any state in history that lasts for any worthwhile amount of time. Literally one of the defining traits of Rome was their ability to adapt to the changing world around and within them, it's extremely stupid to act like a state must be completely static in every way or else it becomes a completely different state>But by medieval times there was absolutely nothing Roman about it except its name. I don't even have to argue whether what they did was "Roman enough" because, by definition, everything they did was Roman. Is it "not Roman" to have an emperor? no, Rome had an emperor. Is it "Not Roman" to be Christian? no, Rome became a Christian state.>1. The HRE had the Roman heartland that was the original centre of power and, my claim, the essential "Roman" partThis doesn't mean anything though, if controlling Italy made you Roman, then controlling north Africa makes you Carthaginian. > 2. The people were genetically and culturally more Roman than the Byzantines because they spoke Latin and there were literal Italians in the empire.Italian does not equal Roman. Were the Etruscans, Samnites, or Veneti Roman? The Romans didn't do DNA tests to determine if you could be a citizen of Rome or not. Latin doesn't define if you were Roman or not. Again, you're coming up with arbitrary rules that aren't based on anything. There isn't some checklist that determine what state is Roman or not. Either you are the Roman state founded by Romulus, or you aren't. >Italians founded the empire.A Roman founded the empire, you're trying to expand the definition of Rome to be "Italian" based off of nothing.
>>722971080The Aztecs
>>722971080San Marino seems pretty chill
>>722977509this caused so much seethe lmao
>>723007385i like u, ur like a more autistic version of me :D
how do you market a 1000 year old Christian empire constantly fighting for it's life to r*ddit?look around at what's happening to the vidya industry and say thank God as well, that modern day mental illness has yet to pay attention to that period of history
>>722971080The Visigoths were cool
>>722989784>>722990094Dayum, Genghis Khan got to fuck THIS? What was the point of the campaigns then?
>>723010757If Excalibur, REH and Zero from Megaman taught me anything, the key is to make things cool and have the protagonist fight and conquer against all odds.
>>722980456>Reply of the Zaprozhian Cossacks.png
>>723008007No thats haitians Im 90% sure. You can use a satellite map of the island to see the border.
>>722989784greetings from kazakhstan
>>723011397If Mongol/Turkic (not Turkish) women are this pretty and can get kidnapped easily due to cultural tradition, then I wonder what the fuck happened to Кocим so that he'd type that legendary post.
>>723010909The point of the campaign was to take all the pretty women from the other countries, bring them home, then go back to spending all day raising horses and herding goats with your harem of pretty women.
>>723011397hmmm temu japanese?
>>723011397cheerleader effect due to the tits of the woman on the left. Looks closer and objectively after jerking off. They're not that hot.
>>722970924>Kinda like how most writers portray the middle ages always in the late middle ages just to show off knights in full plate armor.because full plate armor is awesome
>>723013281left is stunning the second from right is prettyrest not so much
>>723001563>They were equal in my opinion, IIRCThen you're blatantly wrong. The Eastern Roman Empire was literally just the Eastern part of Rome that DIDN'T fall in the 4th century like the Western half did.In comparison, the Holy Roman Empire was just a successor state (of the Western half) that happened to hold the city of Rome. It's important to note that there was also a 300+ year gap between the fall of the Western Half and Charlemange's Empire.
>>722969706They will accept Republican Rome if it’s set during the 2nd Punic War.
>>722977039Iraq already surrendered before they had boots on the ground, but the strongest military in the world ended up losing to a crowd of pissed off civillians with AK's lmao
>>722968239the last roman emperor by all accounts seemed like a good military leader and courages manshame that he had to inherit such a mess
>>723016029>10 year old boy>Good leader
>>723016254He's talking about Constantine XI
a game about belisarius/justinian would be peak. Really underrated but interesting era of Rome, but there seems to be nothing beyond TW Attila's DLC
>>722984501>be armed with sticks>get fucked onlmao should've invented Raytheon retards
>>723019328I'm a Vandalaboo so I kinda hate the fuckers, imagine how different history would be if there was a Germanic kingdom just chilling in North Africa. Perhaps even a battle of Tours type event would have occurred in Africa, rather than Europe, preventing any Muslim incursion in the first place. Probably not, but I can dream.
>>723007694I uninstalled factorio because its so boring and shit and went back to shmups. Factorio is just OpenTTD for NPCs. Off topic threads still up I see. RPG bait threads STILL up.
>onifaggotdeath to avatarniggerseven shiteater saucy manages to be less obnoxious than you and that aquajeet
>>723021189>post threads about shit casual dad games and off topic youtube tier meme shit like a retarded 13 year old's understanding of greco-roman history>do this every single day as a grown as man in his 30s>but um, actually im the bad guyokay fruitcake, maybe play an actual fuckin video game
>>723021381What made you think I made this thread or any of the shit mentioned you absolute braindead retard?Goddamn, avatarfags really are the lowest IQ posters.Never reply to me again, subhuman.
>>723021596You're in here mashing f5 to regurgitate your dumb /his/ teen trash because your board is boring and dead because no one wants to see a bunch of teenagers post youtube e-celeb memes and copy-paste Wikipedia at each other. It's just gay nigga. Your board is dead because of you, and if you come here this board will be dead too. Everything you touch turns to shit, it's all your fault, sorry bro.
Let this be proof of oninigger's retardation and accusing me of shit I'm not a part of.Absolute idiocy.
>I bumped the off topic thread off page 10 again because I'm not interested in it guys
>>722983383>the first medical professional who claimed that doctors need to wash their hands before touching patients was declared insane and died in an asylum.yes, he died in an asylum because of alcoholism and rapid cognitive decline attributed to possibly alzheimer's or syphilis
Obsessed faggot doesn't even know what a sage is.HERE is a bump, you imbecile >>723023227
>>722969991Maximilian of course.
>>723007408>the people there were totally too stupid to either figure out taking things you want or preventing oters from taking stuff they wantHave you ever seen young kids and how they act?
>>722978961Stuff like that is simple: Would you rather be the "winner" or the "loser" of that war? Would you pick the side that had the theoretic ability to kill every living being in that country, or would you pick the side that lost millions of civilian lives to some assholes from across the ocean?
>>722971080Iceland and Binland:DDDDDD
>>723012039Why can’t Japanese started business in Russia instead India?
I played AC Odyssey just so I could walk around in its beautifully crafted if obviously romanticized representation of Ancient Greece. Visiting Sparta, Athens, traversing the Aegean... Absolute kino. It's objectively a game with repetitive combat, bland quests and its people are caricatures with funny accents, but by God was it comfy to boot up and explore. I loved Black Flag for that reason too.
>>722980013>Now who controlled Vietnam, and what was that nation's relationship with England?France and at the time great.
>>722971638>Great engineers, horrible military and leaders.
>>722989784That's not a mongol, that's a surgically created homonculus of a Chinese
>>723001083>I'm fruity and gay and homosexual and I do not appreciate engineering and logistics bad dog
Fuck that shit, I need some bronze age ludos
>>722975932KEK
>>722969991Adolf Hitler
>>723029543Third Reich
>>723026548KEK
>>722968239Westoids still haven't gotten over living in the dark ages while East Rome reigned supreme for a millenia. Add to that the subsequent we wuzzing by the Holy Roman Larpers and there is a severe hatred against the Byzantine era by the west
>>723027607cute art
>>722969991Marcus Aurelius. Dude literally wrote stuff down to remind himself to keep his ego in check and actually do a good job instead of being a cruel person who only lives for pleasure.And the most shocking part, he did all that even through he really didn't have to. In a time where you could be as cruel as you wanted as long as you had power and none had more power then him.
>>723034074wtf is this memeemperors were dropping like flies precisely because they pissed off the people around them
