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Why are Jrpgs so much better than Wrpgs?
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>anime reskin of Attack-Item-Escapelikes for 40 years
>good
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>>722988776
You mean so much worse?
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>>722988776
jrpgs are not rpgs
an rpg is defined by the ability to create a character, modify its name, gender, race, appearence, class/fighting style
example would be any rpg like neverwinter nights

in a jrpg you dont create characters, and you dont affect the story at all
jrpgs should be called pokemonlikes or something like that.

wrpgs are actual rpgs and should be called simply "rpgs"
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WRPGfags getting salty af in this thread lmfaooo
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>>722989123
>>722989264
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WRPGfags getting salty af in this thread lmfaooo
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both suck these days desu theyre literally 90% cutscenes
i can only get enjoyment from zuma deluxe anymore
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Right is just tranime movie gaymes with toddler-tier gameplay and writing. No wonder they flop all the time.
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The most popular wrpg is fallout 3 that telling me all I need to know about how shit the genre is
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>The most popular wrpg is fallout 3
Laziest bait of all time.
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>>722990253
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>>722989264
Jarpigs are the definition of mindless sloppa.
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>>722988776
Geralt is more of a set character with specific personality and while you have some leeway in decisions you make the correct one is usually pretty obvious.
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WRPG niggas stayyyy malding on this thread lmfao
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>>722988776
>tumblr
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Wrpg fags seething
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last 2 posts are embarrassing as fuqqq hahahah
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>>722993124
This is most JRPG's. It's someone of youth, because it's supposed to make you identify with the Character.
RPG's were more open ended, allowing for more character development and for someone to identify with the protag or someone else within the game.
JRPG, no joke, have had this formula since...well the start. Games were meant for children as the target audience.
Just look at any JRPG and you'll see the pattern, but then again. The person who posted this made up their own pattern for what makes JRPG's better than RPG's. Reminds me of the Movie 23, find a pattern however you want to find a pattern.
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>>722989264
This.
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>>722988776
>The most recent examples on either side are 2010/2011.
This fills me with a terror I can't describe. How can culture stagnate for over a decade? Is this really what happens when there isn't a large young native population in your culture?
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salty ahh wrpg unc lmfaooooo
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Weebs are mentally ill
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>>722989264
>in a jrpg you dont create characters, and you dont affect the story at all
Lazy design. One could easily make a jrpg with the flexibility and interactivity of 'w'rpgs.
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>>722993124
That's Kyle katarn? Never knew, as I always played jk2 multiplayer. Still one of the best multiplayer games ever.
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>>722994905
I never got this whole 1000 year old dragon meme normalfags use. Even the face of it is literally a kindergartener. Legal lolis are rare as fuck
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>>722988776
absolutely based and real thread. jrpgs have always mogged wrpgs. jap gaming has always and will always rape westernshit
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>>722995086
The character you posted is older than Chinese civilization.
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>>722988776
>jarpiggers actually believe this
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anyone who says "jarpig" in a derogatory manner is a limpwristed faggot and deserves to be exiled from this website
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Both are time sinks designed to make their players spend dozens of hours not playing good games.
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>NOOOOOOO STOP MAKING FUN OF MUH JARPIG TODDLERSLOP
Nah.
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everyone in this thread is a tranny who sucks tiny brown dongs and then dies of an untreated infection at age 31
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it's not just jrpgs
the entire manga/anime culture is filled with stupid tropes for kids and uninspired shit
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>>722994905
Have you ever read a Japanese novel like No Longer Human and Kokoro or is it just based on anime, video games and comics? Because that doesn't seem like a fair comparison.
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>>722996031
for me, it's Mishima
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>>722996031
>No Longer Human and Kokoro
Both are shit
Miseryporn faggotry
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>>722988961
But what does "TAKE BACK" do?
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>>722994247
This is what happens when literally ONE PERSON spams these images for over a decade. It's not culture, its just schizophrenia
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>>722994905
>western narrative
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Give me an example of a jrpg without a teenage cast. Idk why everything in Japan has to do with kids and teens
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>>722997470
jarpigs are for toddlers, which is why the gameplay is piss easy and the narrative could be easily understood by kids.
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>>722988776
>Why are Jrpgs so much better than Wrpgs?
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>>722997470
>Idk why everything in Japan has to do with kids and teens
Because life ends after university there.
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>>722997470
Yakuza Like a Dragon
Radiant Historia (iirc)
Octopath Traveler 2 (dunno about 1)
FF4
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>>722996031
After Saikaku's 'The Life of an Amorous Woman' i can say today hentai titles are definitely
>filled with stupid tropes and uninspired shit
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>>722997470
A pure heart is needed to save the world, the older a person gets the less likely they are to care.
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>>722988776
> shows morrowind
> " awful art direction"

thanks for exposing yourself as a retard, morrowind is kino.
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>>722997708
Like a dragon was so damn refreshing. One of the best casts in any rpg imo
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I like both and I'm really hoping someone on china figures its own take on it, millenia of culture to draw inspiration from just imagine what could be done
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>>722988776
Neither are these genres are worth playing, they are both for retarded casuals who don't play games, and instigating a flame war is against the rules. If you play an rpg of any sort your opinion is worth less than shit to me.
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>>722999295
what games do YOU like then?
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>>722988776
You are mostly right, except top-down/turn-based games are for bugmen and JRPGs are honestly only superficially different from VNs. WRPGs are closer to being actual RPGs, even if they're ugly postmodern trash.

I don't understand why nips can't just take their superior aesthetics and apply it to a game that has actual RPG mechanics. Imagine if Baldur's Gate 3 was pretty and colorful and the characters were actually likeable and cool. Imagine TES but it looks like Dungeon Meshi instead of sewage.
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>>723000010
Why does everyone who likes dungeon meshi have horrible taste in both anime and games
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>>723000137
I've never read/watched Dungeon Meshi, I just said it because it's medieval fantasy. I only read OP, HxH and JJBA.
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>>722988776
It must be humiliating for nips that some frenchies ended up making a better jrpg than they every did in the last decade.
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>>723000282
>every
Ever FUCK.
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>>722994112
cool thumbnail
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>>722989264
Hating Jrpgs is brown-coded.
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>>722989264
Only browns like jarpigs.
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>>723000473
I've never seen a white person that likes any rpg. It's all slavs and spics, who mistakenly believe they are white.
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>>723000010
>superior aesthetics
>anime all looks the same
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>>722989264
TPBP
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>>723000576
The genre was made by white guys. More than half the famous video games are made by white guys. Back in the days of roleplaying chat rooms when Final Fantasy was at peak popularity, they were full of white people, especially white girls who went on to name their kids after Final Fantasy characters. You go to cosplay conventions and see RPG characters mostly portrayed by white people. You watch TTRPG podcasts and they're mostly white people. You check in on well-known RPG speedrunners and they're mostly white people. MMORPGs were full of white people back in the day. Since when were RPGs not white?
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>>722998828
Yeah, unfortunately y8 happened. Flanderization should be called ichibanisation from now on.
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>>723000978
Your picture looks better than any WRPG.
>>anime all looks the same
No it doesn't. There are lots of video games which use a generic anime style, like MiHoYo slop, but most popular series are easily identifiable from one another. The quintessential JRPG franchise, Dragon Quest, got its visual style from an actual mangaka, Akira Toriyama, and you know it's him with a single glance; it doesn't look like any other artist's work. I hate the generic anime look as well, but who the fuck actually likes the brown and gray sludge of WRPGs?
>it's realistic!
It's not. This is why people say Dark Souls looks like a WRPG and Deltarune looks like a JRPG.
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Someone post the drawing of the obese Mexican looking at Joker from P5 and thinking "El es igual a mi" it makes me laugh every time
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>>722994146
Sorry, but the best dragon in video games is from a Japanese game.
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>baldur's gate 3 but gay anime shit
https://youtube.com/shorts/xIANCyXGN5I
First game in history to sell zero copies
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>>722988961
>>722989123
>>722989264
>ITT: retards fall for literal near-20 year old bait
I figured FFXIII and Versus XIII being included would've tipped some of you off.
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>>722988776
Which one does it better?
>WRPGS
>Yes
>Sarcastic yes
>No (yes later)
>Can you repeat that?
>Bye
Or
>JRPGS
>Yes
>No (BUT THOU MUST)
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>>723000137
You're probably a massive normalfag when it comes to anime and just hate Dungeon Meshi because it was briefly popular.
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>>722988776
expedition 33 is a good wrpg because it apes jrpg's at every moment it can
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>>723001520
>This is why people say Dark Souls looks like a WRPG and Deltarune looks like a JRPG.
What is? Dark Souls looks amazing and Deltarune looks like ass. How is this related to the rest of your post?
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>>723001956
They are the same
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>>723001970
>normalfags
>hating Dungeon Meshi
>hating Trigger anime
What?
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>>723001956
Bethesda slop aren't RPGs either. Which also happens to be why Japan loves them.
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>>723002147
Your taste is normalfag, but you have a contrarian edge that makes you hate normalfag shit that is newer than 5 years old.
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japanese games are made with fun and games in mind
western "games" are made with muh realizm muh pandering muh dei mind
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>>723001956
WRPGs at least pretend to be deep. JRPGs on the other hand treat their audience as if they had down syndrome.
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>>723002217
>Your taste is normalfag
I'm not the guy you were replying to, and I've seen far more anime and read far more manga than you ever will. I'm just calling you a retard for pretending a normalfag would hate Dungeon Meshi.
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>>722994372
I play all three and think all of them are cool
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>>723002217
NTA but weird projection
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Jrpg gameplay
>attack
>magic
>item
>escape
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>>723001203
>The genre was made by white guys
It was made by Californian homosexuals actually
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>>723000576
slavs are the whitest though
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>>722994829
>>Lazy design. One could easily make a jrpg with the flexibility and interactivity of 'w'rpgs.

Yes, it's called Wasteland.
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>>723002347
>I've seen far more anime and read far more manga than you ever will
Doubt it.
>I'm just calling you a retard for pretending a normalfag would hate Dungeon Meshi.
Not what I said.
I said his tastes were normalfag. Meaning, the anime he does like and think are better are normalfag shit, he just has a prospensity to dislike current things. Like someone who shit on Devilman Crybaby or Sword Art Online only to hold them up years later to go "WTF happened??"
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>>723002514
>Doubt it.
I'm fluent in Japanese and went to school in Japan. I've probably physically bought more manga than you've even heard of. Your powerlevel is low and you're dumb.
>I said his tastes were normalfag.
In response to him being confused as to why people like it. You can't worm your way out of this.
>he just has a prospensity to dislike current things
This is you making things up based on nothing because you're an idiot and a faux-elitist.
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>>723002725
>I'm fluent in Japanese and went to school in Japan. I've probably physically bought more manga than you've even heard of. Your powerlevel is low and you're dumb.
Ken-san in the thread
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>>722988776
Japan should just stick to visual novels, because holy fuck when they make JRPGs the story is somehow ten times worse than VNs
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>>723002839
>Ken-san in the thread
That's -sama to you, you little shit.
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>>722988776
>cherry picking thread
heh
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>>723002725
>I'm fluent in Japanese and went to school in Japan.
Sure buddy.
>I've probably physically bought more manga than you've even heard of.
You're trying to inflate your ego to the wrong guy.
>In response to him being confused as to why people like it.
His post was very clearly made out of a sense of contrarianism. Someone who is confused as to how someone could like something utterly mundane is also suffering from an empathy deficit btw, and has admitted to being subhuman.
>This is you making things up based on nothing because you're an idiot and a faux-elitist.
I see it all the time when /v/ talks about anime.
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>>723003007
>Sure buddy.
You getting mad about it won't change reality. I know you want to pretend you have the highest power level, but you don't.
>His post was very clearly made out of a sense of contrarianism.
Nope. Not at all. That's 100% you inventing a scenario in your head so you can try to inflate your own ego talking about anime and manga on /v/. The problem is you're wrong and out of your depth.
>I see it all the time when /v/ talks about anime.
Called it.
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>>722994876
No, that's KOTOR. Kyle was a former imperial turn rebel.
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>>723003112
>You getting mad about it won't change reality.
Irony to asserting someone else is mad when you launched into a dialogue about how you've lived in Japanese and sucked Dezaki-sensei's cock while he was on his deathbed or whatever you were trying to say.
>Nope. Not at all. That's 100% you inventing a scenario in your head so you can try to inflate your own ego talking about anime and manga on /v/.
It happens all the time.
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>>722988776
Those examples are both western coded slop.
I want games with attractive females, not boing ugly dudes.
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Dungeon meshi is tumblrshit
Trigger is normalfag western cartoon shit
Simple as
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>>723003180
>It happens all the time.
Yeah like I said, you're trying to flex your power level because we're on /v/. The problem is you're making shit up and attacking a strawman not representative of what that anon said, and you also don't know shit about anime and manga.
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>>722993124
>Silent character
Good.
I dont need flawed pieces of shit that spout and preach their views at me.
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>>723003307
JC Denton is a better character than all of those 4 jarpigslop protags put together.
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>>723003281
>Yeah like I said, you're trying to flex your power level because we're on /v/.
Not really, just pointing out faggots.
>The problem is you're making shit up and attacking a strawman not representative of what that anon said
Considering the lack of response aside from a LARPing faggot, I'd say I was right on the money.
>and you also don't know shit about anime and manga.
Based on this conversation, I probably know way more than you.
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>>723003501
Literally every single thing you've said is wrong, and posting a reaction image with each post isn't the successful damage control you want to think it is. Stick to arguing with SEAmonkeys on /a/ if you want to pretend to be an anime pro. ザマミロ
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>>723002498
Wth
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>>723003145
Hopefully the kotor remake comes out fast and will be fun.
>inb4 play the originals you immeasurable fool
Tried, can't get them to work, not even with the community patches.
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>>723003748
>Literally every single thing you've said is wrong,
Is it though?
>Stick to arguing with SEAmonkeys on /a/ if you want to pretend to be an anime pro
You've yet to prove that I'm somehow falsifying my power level here.
Btw, the populations of /a/ and /v/ are the same currently. It's all the same people.
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>>723002487
Literally every single dude who contributed to the development of Diplomacy, Braumstein and D&D was from the midwest: Illinois, Minnesota and Wisconsin.
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>>722990241
Toddler-tier is still somehow better than Todd-tier
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>>723004029
Skyrim is better than every single JRPG ever made and even Nips know this.
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>Japanese when the main characters haven't talked about the power of friendship for 0.0005 seconds
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>>722988776
Nothing says "RPG" like numbers and stats
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This js why I quite like my DRPGs. Hey tend to split the middle ground of both. Art style isn't all moeblobs but you get more interesting art direction or fashion. Plus they always try play with the usually jrpg formula. Experience are good for this; Stranger of Sword City has so many nice jrpg QoL enhancements but the permadeath being not quite as harsh as Wizardy but also stopping one from auto-piloting with a bunch of revives.
Plus they always tend to have an array of races instead of the usual WRPG trio, and classes often have nice in-universe themed ones that let you play around. Etrian Odyssey being built to always make you feel like you are missing a class is great for forcing the player to pick one way or another instead of having a forced balanced set party or have the MC be everything.
Plus, they tend to have a nice degree of world building that gets revealed and interacted with. More than just dialogue trees or giant introduction expositions.
Unchained Blades on the PSP really rides the line between feeling like an anime story and a indie western rpg game. I quite like it.
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>>723004454
>people who like brain dead dogshit games
>like a brain dead dogshit game
I don't think this proves what you think it proves.
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>>722989264
nah, this is dumb. a custom character does not an rpg make.
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>>722989264
if that's all you're grasping for to differentiate between a jrpg and wrpg you're reaching, terribly. that's barely any difference at all. they're all almost exclusively a companion based game revolving around all the characters in the party with an overarching plot. and wrpgs are the ones that adopted that from jrpgs.
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>>722997470
SMT Strange Journey
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>>722997470
Expedition 33 :^)
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>>722989264
Only shitty devs think that video game RPGs should be all about copying character stat sheets from tabletop games. Good devs understand that it's all about player choice through gameplay mechanics.
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>>723005191
>Good devs understand that it's all about player choice through gameplay mechanics.
I guess none of the Jap devs could be considered good if this is the case. In fact, why don't they just emulate BG3? It was super successful and was an actual RPG. Even the chuddiest chuds ended up liking it to some extent, and that takes some fucking effort.
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>>723005395
>I guess none of the Jap devs could be considered good if this is the case.
Most don't, just like most WRPGs don't. And yes, BG3 does that stuff really well.
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>>723004454
>run around a shitty-looking world listening to NPCs talk about random nothingness
>button mash against gross, nondescript humanoids, which might in theory be fantasy races
>grind the same dungeon over and over again for random loot
>yell at NPCs to send them flying into the distance because...dragons?
>oh but you can pickpocket NPCs!
This game is dogshit, I feel like you're trolling me.
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>>723005593
Skyrim is popular because of its huge modding scene. All Bethesda games are.
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>>722997470
Romancing Saga 2, 3 as well since 7/8 main characters are adults
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>>723005968
1. A game that isn't good unless you mod it, it isn't good.
2. What do you mod it into, a good game? Just play a good game. It has shitty generic visuals, forgettable stock music and characters, and the gameplay is the bare minimum jank that every 3D game is required to have. Why would you bother modding it? This is like people who try to convince you to switch to Linux by using the argument, "You can run Windows on Linux!"

It's popular because normalfags are shit. GTA is also popular.
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>>722988776
>dead genre is better than dead genre
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>>723006728
>GTA
Oh yeah about that...
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>>722989264
100% agree and I like both.
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>>722988776
Because JRPGs are more fun and more memorable
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>>722994905
Why would you want to read a novel about a fucking loser like that?
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>>723007050
maybe jrpgs are
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>>722997275
You post that like the Japanese aren't well known to be obsessed with NTR.
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>>723007632
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>>723007425
>wrpg combat
>hit with a sword, block with a shield
>jrpg
>spastic movements, fireworks, blows and whistles, MUDA MUDA MUDA shit
well if i was a drooling retard i would find jrpgs fun probably
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>>723007075
...what? You didn't say something I didn't already say.
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>>723007983
I've yet to play a western game with real time melee combat that's even a fraction as fun as Dragon's Dogma. And yes, I hate the gaudy particle effect and spin garbage you just described.
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Honestly, JRPGs had the right idea, using Wizardry and Ultima as a base. It can be adapted across keyboard and gamepad seamlessly. WRPGs introduced some unnecessary complexity in the mid-90s DOS era. The majority of the games you find on GOG look like a total slog to play with all those menus and shit, having to use the mouse for everything.
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>>722997629
That aggro lmao
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>>723007983
You didnt play the game
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>>723007567
That's a CRPG.

Yes, it was made in the West, but by "WRPG," people are usually referring to a specific genre of RPG that used to be really popular among Western developers and publishers rather than just any RPG produced in the West.

Specifically, a typically third person (and sometimes first person) RPG with more action-oriented real time combat, where you have one character that you create yourself (appearance, race, class, stats, perks, background, etc) and you typically only control this one character. The entire game may be solo, but if you have companions, they're typically AI controlled rather than controlled by the player.

Much like JRPGs, it's basically a dead genre. It was once THE style of RPG coming out of the West, it's been reduced (for the time being) to a smattering of mostly indie titles. This may change when the next Witcher and Elder Scrolls games are released, but you've still got a situation like with 3D platformers where, yeah, there's still big titles being produced, but it's all been reduced to just Mario and nothing else. Big Western developers don't make RPGs anymore.

Of course, Japan is a similar rut, where they're mostly a couple decades behind the times and still trying to make action combat work.
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>>723009127
My only problem with your assessment is that you don't say why WRPGs are dead and then label Japan as being struggling with action combat.

But it's a Japanese RPG that killed WRPGs - Dark Souls - and it has actual action combat, while WRPGs don't, you just left click to swing sword and try to do it more than the enemy does. TES is literally one step above turn-based games in terms of action, you just mash at the air and pray for the best.
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>>723009127
Why even forget about Cyberpunk? It sold rather well even with a terrible launch, but I think it had the potential to sell more than Witcher 3.
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>>723004586
Any recommendations for DRPGs? Curious about them.
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>>723009356
Aren't Diablo-likes the WRPG equivalent of action combat?
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>>723009638
Diablo doesn't have better action than TES. It's a fucking board game.
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>>722989264
RPGs are about bashing numbers and stat growth. everything else is additive.
JRPGs are similar to tabletop games from the 80s that didnt have character creation. stuff like making ocs and player choice didnt start being implemented until later versions of D&D to be more appealing to normies.
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>>723009356
Dark Souls is basically a WRPG. It isn't a JRPG in any meaningful sense beyond being produced in Japan, "JRPG" being understood as a specific style of game that used to be the favored RPG produced by Japanese developers and publishers.

If we're just arguing about the locations that games were developed in rather than specific styles generally associated with those locations, then the whole comparison becomes largely meaningless. Dark Souls has very little in common with classic Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games.
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>>723002487
WHITE homosexuals!
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>>722988776
>4 gay twinks stand in a line video games
>better than high test masculine games
No lol
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>>722988776

Personally i like both provided they are actually good at what they are trying to do. I love to have a named character with a personality and an arc on a story driven narrative if the story is good. Similarly i´m ok with a placeholder title for roleplaying and exploration provided the choices actually make a difference on the world state and the exploration is rewarded with interesting unique places, enemies and equipment.

I don´t really care for open worlds full of meaningless busywork quests and dmg sponge enemies that exist for the sake of grinding in neither case. Don´t particularly care about difficulty either as long as the rewards are worth it but i won´t fight a boss for 2 hours for a trophy.

Call me crazy but i like good games i can have fun with.
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>>723010007
If the anon I responded to thought Dark Souls counted as a WRPG, then he wouldn't have called the genre dead, since Elden Ring came out not that long ago and was massive, and there's been a wave of Souls clones. So obviously he doesn't consider it a WRPG by his definition.

I never called Dark Souls a JRPG. He said WRPGs were dead and the Japanese couldn't do action combat. I pointed out that it's literally a Japanese Action-RPG that killed those WRPGs.

Do you understand?
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>>722988776
They’re gradually removing panty shots and putting characters in spats, so the days when JRPGs were genuinely fun are gone.
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>>723009826
You mean that movie games that were masquerading as casualized RPGs weren't appealing to normies? Pretty sure the sole reason why FF became this big is because of its movie-tier presentation and streamlined and simple gameplay. In comparison the OG Fallout games are quite a bit more hostile to the player with its stat autism, graphics and crazy amount of choices you can make throughout the game. They were successful as CRPGs but their success were practically nothing compared to FF7 (which was released the same year).
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>>722990640
got a reply out of you however
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>>723010007
I think it does Souls a disservice to describe it as a WRPG. I really don't think anything like it could have come from a western studio.
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>tactical and involving
>stats
choose one and only one SHITTER
holy shit go back to /tv/ or /a/
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>>723010364
>fun is when inane cumbrainshit
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>>723000282
I'm french, and I proclaim : E33 is an overrated game.
It was only hailed as the saviour about because :
- the other videogames released those past few years were worse somehow
- chinkshills got angry because it released at the exact same time as chinkblivion. Which triggered a chain reaction of irrational like/dislike.

In the grand scheme, it was just an okay game. Just that. Okay.
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>>723010007
>It isn't a JRPG in any meaningful sense beyond being produced in Japan
That's what JRPG means, regardless of how angry that makes retards.
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>>723010398
no I'm not saying that at all. maybe that comment came off as hostile but the saying that RPGs are defined by choices and customization is retarded and based on nothing
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>>723009826
Retard
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>>722994905
what is left?
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is there a single jrpg that isnt just walking down a hallway with cutscenes every now and then?
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>>723010990
No. When people say JRPGs, they mean cinematic games with 4 niggas in a row type of gameplay and unlimited padding and next to no choices that matter all that much. The world is nonsensical and usually works in the rule of cool rather than having any coherency. Sure, you can say there are some exceptions to this but when people think about JRPGs, they immediately mention franchises like DQ, FF, Pokemon, Trails, Ys, Persona, Yakuza etc.
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>>723011351
Are you referring to turn based JRPGs specifically?
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>>723011415
>When people say JRPGs, they mean
Japanese RPG. That's what it means. Dark Souls is a JRPG. Expedition 33 isn't. You don't get to redefine words because they make you mad. Your arbitrary definitions mean literally nothing at all.
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>>722988961
its called #-niggas-in-a-rowlike
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>>723011494
Nobody really considers Dark Souls a traditional JRPG or a JRPG at all. You'd know this if you conversed about it with a soulsfag. Soulsfags are more likely to play yet another soulslike rather than a JRPG.
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>>723011351
you can reduce many wrpgs in the same way.
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Okay Takeshi, whatever helps you sleep at night
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>>723011870
JRPGs are just movie games anon.
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>>723002152
>Which also happens to be why Japan loves them.
they sell jack shit over there tho.
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>>723010092
>4 gay nonbinary otherkin polyamorous niggers talking about about their bestiality fetish games
>high test
>>723011415
>rule of cool
Aging TVtropes millennial faggot detected.
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>>722988776
I have never enjoyed a JRPG for gameplay reasons. It's always been carried by other mechanics that aren't really JRPG related or it's story.
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>>723012025
https://youtu.be/YfzdLLpJENQ
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>>723012091
See >>723004454
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>>723011697
>Nobody really considers Dark Souls a traditional JRPG
Traditional JRPG isn't a thing.
>or a JRPG at all
It is.
>You'd know this if you conversed about it with a soulsfag
Fromdrones are retarded casuals that don't know anything about video games.
>Soulsfags are more likely to play yet another soulslike rather than a JRPG.
And? Do you think someone obsessed with Persona 5 has actually played Lufia, Breath of Fire, Wild Arms or even Shadow Hearts? Does that mean P5 isn't a JRPG?
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>>723012121
>>723012245
I think BG3 raped this anon.
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>>723012297
and? it still sold jack shit there. toddslop is mostly an american thing
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>>723011494
You're retarded. JRPG is a certain type of RPG, where it was made doesn't matter. Chinese food can still be made in places that aren't China.
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>>723012378
not an argument. the only WRPG in the last 10 years is as much of a movie as a JRPG by your logic
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>>723012320
>Traditional JRPG isn't a thing.
>It's not because... I said so
You are coping. I already said what the majority consider what JRPGs are and yet you still go on and on about your stupidity.
>fromdrones
Lmao hating From doesn't make you interesting.
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>>723011494
>Dark Souls is a JRPG. Expedition 33 isn't
which of these do you think is closer to persona?
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>>723012471
>Chinese food can still be made in places that aren't China.
And if you make sparkling wine in your bathtub, it'll never be champagne no matter how hard you try to insist they're the same type of drink. Fucking retard.
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>>723012498
I saw quite a bit of gameplay in those "cutscenes", so it's clearly very different than what you find in JRPGs where nothing you do matters, unlike BG3 which is an actual RPG in every sense.
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>>723012523
You're an underage third worlder and nothing you say matters. From has made some fantastic games, but that doesn't stop Fromdrones from being fucking retards.
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>>723004454
>Sarcastic yes
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Only butthurt jarpiggers say "WRPG" to cope with their inferiority.
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>>722988776
>Almost always have much better art direction
>Gameplay is usually worse than the average D&D clone but 98% of WRPGs play the exact same while JRPGs might at least have a chance of trying something slightly different
>JRPGs don't really do the donut steel thing but usually if the protagonist IS a real character they are more interesting. I like both but hate the way nips do self inserts
I like both. Gimme more WRPGs like wasteland 2 and gimme more JPRGs like radiant histoia
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>>723012574
Oh shit, I guess Wizardry and Ultima are JRPGs now.
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>>723012650
>I saw quite a bit of gameplay in those "cutscenes"
same thing in those jrpg videos you posted.
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>>723012498
>the only WRPG in the last 10 years
Are you retarded or what?
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>>723012601
Okay, I'll concede I made a food analogy to begin with, but you just responded with the most retarded food analogy ever devised by man.
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>>723012471
If a Chinaman makes his peoples food then yes. If I make "Chinese food" it's Chinese style not Chinese food.
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>>723012824
Not at all, toddler-tier shit you call "gameplay" doesn't even count.
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>>723012786
>I only like JRPGs because E33 is totally a JRPG guise retards redefined everything good to mean jrpg
Hmmm
Woah
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>>723012786
no, since they were the inspiration for the genre gameplay wise. still, jrpg is a genre, otherwise it's a useless name
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>>722989264
This. It was really over before it began.
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>>723012964
JRPGs are Japanese-style RPGs, yes, you are correct.
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>>723012687
>No, Elden Ring is not a JRPG; it is an action role-playing game (ARPG) developed in Japan, but it does not fit the traditional JRPG style, which is defined by specific gameplay elements like turn-based combat. The genre is classified by its gameplay mechanics, not just its country of origin, so Elden Ring is an ARPG with a Japanese origin, distinct from the classic JRPG formula.
Even the braindead AI knows this and yet you're still coping about the obvious.
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>>723012914
It's completely apt if you know anything about wine. Champagne is only champagne if it comes from France. Otherwise it's sparkling wine
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>>723012914
>Okay, I just made a food analogy but then you made a pertinent one that proved your point so food analogies are dumb
You didn't realize Champagne was a region in France until you read my post and now you're angry that your own attempt at an analogy beat you. Get over it.
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>>723012974
>toddler-tier shit you call "gameplay" doesn't even count.
exactly the same as BG3 then
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>>722988776
Because they are easy to understand and play and don't require you to be an autist learning a gazillion different mechanics. It's about getting engrossed in the story and the world, not playing a game that feels like you are learning a new piece of software for work.
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>>723012753
I just picked up Wasteland 3 and the pacing is very slow, but how is Wasteland 2. Tempted to pick up the 1st two. Could never get into radiant historia, but have only heard good things, other than the lack of 'style'
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>>723013083
Jrpg is
Japanese
Role
Playing
Game.
What you are suggesting is a new term JsRPG and honestly I would be fine with that as a compromise
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>>723013146
>no u
Actual strategy with actual role-playing happens in BG3, which are both absent in JRPGs.
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>>723013049
>is Persona 5 like E33?
>then they're both JRPGs
>FF and DQ are like Wizardry and Ultima?
>no, that doesn't make them all JRPGs
Your argument has no consistency because you're stupid.
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>>723013086
>AI
LMAAAAAAAOOO Fuck off
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>>723009826
In jarpigs you don't influence anything, all items are stat sticks and characters are pre-determined with zero customization at all.
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>>723013086
>retarded shitskin child who wasn't around for the birth of genre names asks AI and blindly believes everything it says
Checks out.
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>>723013187
>Japanese
>Role
>Playing
>Game
just because that's the acronym doesn't mean it's literal to all japanese made RPG games. by that own definition most RPGs aren't even RPGs because the closest thing they have of an actual RPG is stats and (technically) different endings. most of the time they have little to no actual roleplay
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>>723013153
Wasteland 2 imo is more about exploration so the pacing is completely based on how you tackle exploration. I much prefer the tone and style of 2 though. 1 is 30 years old and you can definitely feel it
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>>723013378
>Just because that's what it is doesn't mean that's what it "is"
Ok Mr. Clinton
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>>723013310
so its in line with classic RPGs which is the point I was making
>>723013378
the "role play" in RPGs is more referring to gameplay roles. otherwise you could call any game with a playable character an RPG
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>>723013320
>>723013284
>braindead faggots still don't get it
Average normalfag doesn't think of FormSoft games as JRPGs, you can try to force it here all you want but you cannot really change anything.
>Not a classic JRPG:
>The acronym JRPG stands for "Japanese Role-Playing Game," but in practice, it refers to a distinct style of RPG that originated in Japan and typically features turn-based combat, narrative-heavy stories, and anime-inspired aesthetics.
It's hilarious how you're coping about the obvious.
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>>723013202
>no u
this is literally what you're doing. you posted the youtube videos and threw a tantrum when I showed that the same can apply to BG3
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>>723013485
Classic RPGs were constrained by the weak computing power at the time, are you saying that jarpigshit is still stuck in the 90s?
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>>723013573
You never even played the game and it's obvious
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>>723013573
No anon, the crucial difference is that BG3 is an actual RPG while none of those 8 could be considered one no matter what. There's a reason BG3 sold more than almost all of them combined.
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>>723013386
Thanks, will have to try it out. They put out a remaster of 1 and 2, but didn't realize it was that old.
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>>723013527
And? Retarded shitskin children making threads with OPs that read "Why did X character killed Y character?" doesn't change how English works. Retards misusing words doesn't redefine them.
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>>723013207
I'll write in simpler terms for you. a game that inspired a genre doesn't necessarily is part of that genre
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>>723013527
>a distinct style of RPG that originated in Japan
It originated from Wizardry and Ultima. How fucking stupid do you need to be to listen to AI?
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>>723013736
JRPGs have distinct style no matter how much you lash out like a retarded kid and Dark Souls does not fit into that criteria.
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>>723013816
They took them both and oversimplified their mechanics to make them more palatable to children (this is the distinct Japanese part).
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>>723013774
That's objectively wrong, sorry. That's impossibly fucking stupid even for a braindead monkey who's mad about what JRPG means. Doom and Wolfenstein are FPS games. Mario is a platformer. Alone in the Dark is survival horror.
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>>723013485
>the "role play" in RPGs is more referring to gameplay roles
how? role play is quite literally decision making
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>>723013527
I mostly agree with your points but Japs never created the style, they don't invent anything over there they just copy.
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>>723013605
they're based on tabletop games. they wouldnt be radically different if the tech was more advanced already
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>>723013714
>There's a reason BG3 sold more than almost all of them combined.
and what reason is that?
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I vote, everyone breathe and stop seething. It's a thread on 4chan and all opinions are valid, to a degree.
Perhaps we take a step back, do some research, and understand that inspiration comes from something. Some of the creators of these games mentioned had inspiration from counterparts, though many are from folklore. So, did folklore make the rpg?
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>>723013839
>JRPGs have distinct style
Cool. Now explain to me how Valkyrie Profile 2 and Shadow Hearts aren't JRPGs.
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>>723014063
It's an actual good game
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>>722989264
This definition is funny because it would exclude, as far as I can recall, every Ultima game.
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>>723013972
Nothing says a tabletop game with linear gameplay and 0 choices that could affect the world. Why can't JRPGs be like Wizardry 8?
>>723014063
Because
>it's good
>you can actually roleplay
>you can actually fuck
People are tired of overpadded movie games like Rebirth or Metaphor.
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>>723013457
That joke is going to go above 99% of /v/
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>>723014063
I know the Chinese and weebs always cry about "woke" shit even though you can literally mod all that out(I did) but the game itself is fantastic and no two playthroughs are the same, hence it's actually role-playing. JRPGs have no replayability at all because it's a movie where you the player are only there to fulfill the gameplay part(which is minimal) required to be sold as a game, otherwise you're literally just watching a movie.
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>>723014101
>turn based linear games with lots of cutscenes
Yeah it's a jarpig alright.
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>>722997470
Japanese life ends after finishing school and getting a job
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>>723014445
>JRPGs have no replayability
You never played one then
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>>723013934
doom and wolfenstein weren't the first fps games and I think the first platformer wasn't mario as well. still my point is that if a game INSPIRED the genre it doesn't mean that it's part of the genre. jrpgs took elements from wizardry/ultima and made them a genre
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>>722997629
>enderman aggro.webm
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>>723014657
Yeah because there's nothing to play
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>>723014123
>>723014164
>>723014445
so the argument here is that sales = quality?
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>>723014657
Oh I'm sorry anon, the replayability in JRPGs come from the fact that you'll date another girl in the next playthrough.
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>>723014740
Reductionist mindset is a sign of retardation.
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>>722999295
>instigating a flame war
I hope they saw your janny application
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>>723014519
Way to sidestep you're retarded niggerfaggot attempt at classification based on style.
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>>723014740
ESL? The argument is that quality = quality.
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>>722988776
They aren't rpgs. They're spreadsheet simulators.
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>>723014723
>>723014750
Damn, instant butthurt.
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>>723014660
>doom and wolfenstein weren't the first fps games
No, but they were genre definers.
>still my point is that if a game INSPIRED the genre it doesn't mean that it's part of the genre
Wrong.
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>>723014834
>there's a reason it sold well
>why?
>because it's good
quality = sales i.e sales = quality
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>>723014875
You know I'm right and what you're doing is a fringe attempt at damage control.
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>>723014950
What damage control? Telling the truth is damage control now?
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>>723014931
A CRPG selling that well can only happen because the product is extraordinarily good. It doesn't have the brand recognition that Pokemon or Souls or TES or Fallout has.
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>>723015038
Telling someone about the lack of gameplay in jarpigs is not a sign of anger anon.
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>>723014892
>but they were genre definers.
and? did people make a separate subset of "doomlikes"? because this is quite literally what happened here. there were these RPG games like wizardry and ultima that spawned a subsection of RPGs made by the japanese. if doomlikes were a thing would doom become a doomlike?
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>>723014824
Woah someone's mad at the truth again!
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Souls aren't JRPGs nor RPGs they're action games with half assed level up systems.
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>>723015062
sales = quality gotcha
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>>723015101
You are the one trying to prove me you aren't butthurt.
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>>723015185
>I'll just keep pretending to be retarded
Yeah go on, let's see how long you can keep up with this charade.
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>>723015238
You're the one who brought up about someone being butthurt because they said something that made you angry. It's called projection.
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The only JRPGs I can even stand are ones with a mute protagonist. So many times I'll try to play one and the faggot kid protagonist immediately ruins it for me by being the dumbest, gayest little faggot ever. This is the problem with games where you have no say in anything to do with the game itself, it lives and dies on its characters and for the most part they are fucking terrible walking tranime tropes. This was fine to me when I was a kid and didn't cringe and groan at this stuff, but as I got older I realized these games aren't for me anymore. It also doesn't help that 95% of jrpgs made lately feature dumb moe blob female protagonists making it even worse since now most people that like anime and jrpgs are literal agp troons who get dysphoria from even playing as the usual gay, weak, feminine bitch twink.
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>>723015062
oh yeah that small product know as D&D. you're aware that this is the first time they launched this game not only on PCs and console right? not only that but are you aware that one of the biggest twitch channels is a D&D centric channel right? this isn't he 90s anon. 5e brought a lot of people to table top gaming
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>>722988776
>tactical and involving
the fuck, every jrpg I play is always grindy as FUCK
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>>723015245
find a better point then
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>>723015301
Now is projection? You're the one projecting your butthurt on me.
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>>723014164
>Nothing says a tabletop game with linear gameplay and 0 choices that could affect the world
thats... correct? literally how role playing games were designed until the 90s? look at the post above yours, it makes my argument for me.
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>>723015335
D&D games haven't been selling well for decades and most people didn't even play the previous BG games.
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>>723015107
>did people make a separate subset of "doomlikes"?
Yes? What the fuck are you trying to say, you braindead shitskin zoomer?
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>>723015481
>literally how role playing games were designed until the 90s?
The Japanese ones, yes, because they still have the hard time to understand what role-playing even is to this day.
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>>723015373
Every time I have seen someone whine about grinding in a JRPG (outside super bosses) it has been a skill issue or some giga kosoge. What RPGs are you referring to
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>>722993945
I don't get the appeal of modern persona. Why don't those fags just play a VN?
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>>723015519
most of those games haven't had Hasbro's actively backing them up
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>>722988776
Why are western stories so much better written than eastern stories? I don't mean videogames, I mean in general.
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>>723015623
P3 mashed up Japanese VN structure with turn based RPG, which was novel at the time. The cast was also interesting and the game handled themes of death amazingly well. After that it got flanderized and turned into a shitty friend/dating simulator.
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>>722994325
>Angeldoeme
Kek
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>>723015556
so what are these doomlike games?
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>>723015623
As a big fatlus fan I legitimately don't know. 5 was fucking shit and I couldn't continue after the 3rd dungeon
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>>723015426
>has actual role-playing mechanics
>has nice waifus you can romance
>great presentation
>fantastic music
>competent writing, dungeons and story
>great mod scene
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>>723015705
surely you jest
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>>723015736
Imagine being a shitskin third world child trying to argue about the history of games and genre names. Just imagine not knowing about Doomclones. The confidence you have in your ignorance is absurd. Stop arguing about things you don't understand.
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the way I see it
>jrpg
You enter a new town, a cutscene plays showing how the big bad has caused damage to it in one way or another, to the right is a casino/house to play mahjong or some made up card game, you walk towards the center of town, another cutscene plays introducing you to a character who will tell you where to go next, you gain a level and the numbers get bigger so you got a bit stronger
>wrpg
you enter a new town, a gnome is arguing with a pair of elves to the right, perhaps you could help them reach an agreement, to the left is a guild looking for people to do odd jobs, if you head towards the marketplace you might find someone who can tell you about the sudden increase in military presence in towns and cities, you level up and spend 35 minutes working out whether its more efficient to get 1 constitution or a trait improving your ability to persuade by 2.85%
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>>723015804
>waifus
Opinion discarded. I hate nuage faggots distorting terms
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>>723015617
tails of vesperia, ff x-12
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>>722997629
Hello, why?
Captcha : WOMAW
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>>723015617
NTA but every single DQ ever, maybe.
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>>723015736
Duke nukem 3d
Heretic
Hexen
Blood
Marathon
Shadow warrior
Rise of the triad
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>>723015809
Name japanese philosophers, writers, poets, etc throughout history and I'll compare them to the west. Go ahead, this'll be good for a laugh.
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>>723015886
>DQ
So a kusoge
>>723015850
>Grinding in tales of vesperia
Skill issue
>FF12
Kusoge but i honestly don't remember playing it so it might also be a skill issue
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>>723015845
Oh right, I should've said wives instead since this is not an anime-centric game at all. Still doesn't change anything really.
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>>723015984
>the face of JRPGs is akctually shit
uh huh
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>>723015980
Name 5 Japanese books you've read.
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>>723016050
You first, you're the one claiming japanese literature is better than the west
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>>723016045
>the face of JRPGs is akctually shit
Yes? Super heroes movies is the face of western movies. Are they the peak of the medium?
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>>723015448
How does me telling that the replayability of jarpigs coming from which girl will you waifu next is me being butthurt?
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>>723015705
This is subjective.
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>>723016080
Oh I'm not the other guy, I'm just asking you because you were so quick to write off all Japanese writing. And I also know Japanese so the whole "You're just as ignorant as me" thing doesn't really work on me.
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>>723016096
>Super heroes movies is the face of western movies.
Shit that nobody says, but even then, Batman trilogy is still great and those movies deserve the praise they get. Also just a reminder that DQ11 sold the most out of all DQ games, so nips are still consuming it en masse.
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>>723015736
Duke Nukem? Serious Sam? I think the genre now is called 'Boomer Shooters' which is just weird. But this is me not fact checking and trying to make people less angry.
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One waifu for laifu. If you are using "waifu" as a term for anime girls you are a brown nigger faggot
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>>723016110
Because what you said is not true? Not every JRPG is Persona, you know? Next time come with a better argument.
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>>723016260
Admittedly I haven't played anything post 7 because I hated every single one I played up to 7. I'm not even a hater of old ass JRPGs since I legitimately enjoyed MT 1-2 and early FF
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>>723016160
No it really isn't, there's a reason why the west has had the most influence in this regard throughout history with prominent European writers being taught throughout the world whereas there's very little coming from Japan. Hell, even Japanese games use western literature since it's literally nothing but European shit in the games.
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>>723014660
What was the first fps game then? Don't say Faceball 2000, that shit doesn't count.
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>>723015736
These are the people trying to argue E33 is a JRPG btw. 25 years old max and doesn't understand shit
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>>723016220
You can't argue that japanese have superior writing to the west, this just isnt true at all. I didn't say it was shit though, I do enjoy Dazai quite a bit.
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>>723016050
I think this would be hard for anyone. I didn't have access to the internet till 15 or so years ago. Before that I would have had no way to read an actual japanese book and have it translated.
Not arguing for anyone, but that's like asking someone if they've read a Tramorin book, or a french book, or a book in Swahili... I don't care that I botched these names.
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>>723013605
Nips still use fax machines and floppies exclusively in offices, so more like the 80s.
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>muh sex
Why are whiteys like this?
Adventures > sex
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>>723016534
I too read that blog post from an english teacher thats 20 years old
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>>723016424
Commander Keen predates both and uses the same engine retard you don't even have to go outside IDs works. You are so obviously spouting shit you have no idea about
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>>723016547
because that's the only way wrpgs were able to be successful. it was a doomed genre until they brought in the romance. jrpgs were spanking them throughout the 90s and 00s other than Bethesda.
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>>723016402
The topic of good or bad is subjective.
I wasn't a MLP fan, but some friends were.
Pokemon over Digimon.
This whole topic of RPGs proves that some people like one over the other.
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>>723011697
Soulslikes are action games primarily.
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>>723016657
I like both. What do I win?
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>>723015984
>kusoge
MOMMY I LEARNED A NEW WORD FROM REDDIT SO I'LL KEEP SPAMMING IT!
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>>723016506
It's a French game
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>>723016735
I have been calling shit games kusoges since ~2003 when I learned it here from a poorly translated nip post and thought it was funny.
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>>723016724
A pat on the back. I enjoy them both as well.
Same with pokemon gen 1 and 2. Digimon was fantastic and the newest Time Stranger is great.
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>>723016826
Now that I think about it had to be more like 2006 but whatever point stands
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>>723016735
It's better than someone using 'Kino' which just means cinema or film, but is now being used for 'Top-tier'. Though, once again, good or bad is subjective, for the most part.
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>>722988776
Name a single good WRPG that isnt Clair Obscure
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>>723016985
Wasteland 2
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>>723016985
Skyrim is the _only_ good wrpg.
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>>723016656
>diablo
>mass effect
>star wars
>never winter nights
>bg
>bannerlord
>not selling well
You have to be a console kid or something
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>>723016645
Commander Keen is a side scroller, zoomer.
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>>723017178
meanwhile final fantasy was selling 8+ million to the 1-2 million of those.
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>>723017178
>>mass effect
>>star wars
these clearly added the romance
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>>723016314
>Not every JRPG is Persona, you know?
Didn't really say that, but those are the only jarpigs that have the replayability.
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>>723017101
Can I add Fallout games then? New Vegas is my favorite, but didn't want people saying it's an FPS more than an RPG.
Though bows and magic, along with melee attack could translate to firearms, flamethrowers, melee, etc.
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>>723017638
And like I said, you never played one
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>>723016656
Yeah people liked movieshit back then. Not anymore, at least not from Japs.
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>>723016515
>You can't argue that japanese have superior writing to the west
I never did. You'd have to be retarded to try to compare thousands and thousands of literary works like that instead of looking at a work by work basis. You'd also have to be retarded to write off an entire country's literary body without having even read 5 books from that country.
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>>723017372
this mostly had to do with platform availability, it was the height of console popularity
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>>723017753
>Final Fantasy VII (Remake and Rebirth) offers choices in both the original and new games, including dialogue and combat options that influence party member relationships, outfits, and other minor story elements, especially in Rebirth where affinity determines who Cloud goes on a date with at the Gold Saucer. In the original, choices have less impact, but there are still time-sensitive decisions and a hidden affection system.
These are not very good reasons to replay a game tbhdesu.
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>>723016517
>but that's like asking someone if they've read a Tramorin book, or a french book, or a book in Swahili
If they made a sweeping generalization about any of those country's bodies of literature, then asking them which books they've read is a perfectly reasonable question.
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>>723016645
>Commander Keen predates both
I hate you subhuman shitskin monkey children so much. I actually played Commander Keen growing up, so it's not a name in a vacuum I bring up just to shitpost like you do. It's a great game, and it's not an fps at all.
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>>723017882
Final Fantasy VII is not the only JRPG, you know?
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>>723017825
>also have to be retarded to write off an entire country's literary body without having even read 5 books from that country
I think I can safely write off the entire continent of Africa's literary body
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>>723016985
KCD. The first one, not the gay niggerkike sequel.
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>>723017995
Which JRPGs offer substantive replayability then
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>>723016826
way to fucking expose yourself as a fake nigger, /v/ wasn't an official 4chan board until 2004
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>>723017902
I might have missed when someone made the assumption or stated that they've read many foreign literature books.
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>>723017995
Name me 3 JRPGs that could be considered highly replayable due to its branching narratives.
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>>723017853
PCs had way larger install base than a playstation
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>>723018012
Subsaharan, maybe.

>>723018085
Dragon's Dogma.
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>>723018087
I immediately correct myself as you can see above. 20 years is a long time anon
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>>723018136
PCs didn't have something like Steam as a marketplace back then.
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>>723018108
>due to its branching narratives
Excellent goal post move sir. WRPGs are a fraction of a legnth or a reason
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>>722997470
Because it's easy to right kids and teenagers
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>>723018085
>>723018108
I give you five, SMT 1-5
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>>723018085
I think any game that someone wants to replay again makes it replayable.
I've seen people play through platformers, over and over again, but to me they have no replayability.
That goes along with many games, fighting games specific like Naruto, Mortal Combat, etc.
Don't even get me started on racing and sports games. I don't even want to play them, but they have some of the most replayable content because the outcome is usually skill based or exploited so the player always wins.
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>>723018253
>JRPGs are too long!!!
>Erm I can't replay them 70 times
I don't get it either
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>>723016985
Wasteland
Tyranny
Pillars of Eternity
Icewind Dale
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Mass Effect
Elder Scrolls
Fallout
Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader
Neverwinter Nights
Baldurs Gate
Pathfinder
Divinity Original Sin
Witcher
Cyberpunk
Vampire Bloodlines
Kingmaker
Colony Ship
Dragonfall

I mean really there's so many
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>>722997629
>blue haired cutie being a social retard

There goes the love of my life
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>>723018253
>>723018253
>WRPGs are a fraction of a legnth or a reason
Because they do not pad out the runtime with endless cutscenes and grind?
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>>722988776
Why is western pop culture writing to braindead juvenile if not specifically tailored for 16-25 year olds who think juvenile writing is deep? Like the arkham games bruce blabbers on and on with the most generic, second hand embarrasing dialogue in every interaction it makes you want to mute his dumbass.
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>>723018379
>Grinding in a JRPG
Literal skill issue as always
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>>723018140
>picks the one option where even the dev himself said he ripped it straight from Elder Scrolls
>>723018283
I'll conceded here only because it has basically no story and the gameplay is kind of fun
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Is the fringe minority whining and mouthing off about jap media again?
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>>723018085
Any creature collector. Which is a pretty big genre
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>>723018550
>where even the dev himself said he ripped it straight from Elder Scrolls
Please show me where Itsuno said he ripped anything from TES. I want an actual direct quote. I sure hope you have an unambiguous quote and aren't pulling shit out of your ass.
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>>723018629
Yep. It's always funny when they say shit that is objectly wrong rather than subjective opinions. Almost like they have no idea what they are talking about
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>>723018235
nor did consoles. they sold console and pc games in the same places.
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>>723018632
>Any creature collector.
pokemon, digimon and...
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>>723018716
SMT is also a creature collector and those are the big 3 yes. Tons and tons of small games
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>>723018629
>>723018702
Just post some manga or anime reactions and they shid their pants in an impotent rage
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>>723018505
Muh skill issue doesn't mention the fact that jarpigs are filled with random encounters at every step with long ass animations and tedious gameplay you have to slog through.
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>>723014130
A lot of the Ultima games let you choose the portrait of your avatar
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Play shadow tower
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>>723018781
That's a gross overstatement when Pokemon quite literally shits on them in terms of popularity.
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>>723018824
That's not grinding that's playing the fucking game. If you don't like the game fine but don't try and pretending moving forward and combat is grinding
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>>723018916
Pokemon shits on everything in popularity it is the biggest IP of all time. No shit. That w
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>>723018920
Random combat encounters every 10 seconds is just a bad game design that the vast majority of jarpigs are filled with.
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>>723018636
Man just google it, it's the first fucking result. And you'd have to be a blind weeb faggot to not see the inspiration from WRPGs in that game
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>>723019032
>Shifting the goalpost again
Maybe so but it isn't grinding. Words have meaning retard
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>>723018987
It just weirded me out that you put Pokemon with those no-name franchises. I believe Digimon games as a whole sold around 10 million units, which is pretty much nothing.
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>>723019067
>Man just google it, it's the first fucking result.
No it's not, because what you're saying doesn't exist.
>And you'd have to be a blind weeb faggot to not see the inspiration from WRPGs in that game
The inspiration is from DnD stuff, of which Capcom did in the 90s, and Swordworld which was big in Japan. Stop arguing about series you know nothing about because you have a chip on your shoulder about all Japanese games, you stupid fucking nigger.
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>>722989264
RPG is a game that lets you roleplay, whatever that means to you.
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>>722988776
and
in the years since Inquisition
Western games have got so much fucking gayer that Inqusition looks like straight up Chud Gaming
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Lmao look at these wrpg fags malding in the replies go enjoy your dead genre I guess.

Enjoy your Outer worlds/Vtb2/Starfield dlc I guess lol
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>>723019196
It means something like FNV.
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>>723014809
By what definition is it not instigating a flame war? All rpg threads are dumb bait and spam because it's a bad genre for boring and lazy people that can't make anything better. They have to reproduce by spam, it's an r-selective survival strategy, like how pajeets and niggers and other sorts of browns inherit the earth. Sheer density.
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>>723019167
>DnD
Every fucking RPG is inspired by DnD, the actual gameplay of DD is taken straight from Skyrim
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>>723019309
Umm chuddie racism is against tha rules too
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>>723019225
>talking about dead genres when jarpigsloppa flops left and right
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>>723001834
>>722988776
>13
EVERYONE, LEAVE THIS THREAD IMMEDIATELY
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>>723019407
>if I lie and make it up maybe it'll become reality, like me being a woman
lmao
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>>723019365
>the actual gameplay of DD is taken straight from Skyrim
Stop shitposting about games you've never played, you absolute fucking nigger. DD is nothing even remotely close to any TES game in terms of gameplay. Kill yourself.
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>>723019097
The reason why those non-stop encounters even happen is because the game forces you to grind retard.
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>>723019459
>anime enjoyer talking about trannies
that's funny lol
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>>723019459
>>if I lie and make it up ma-AAAAAACCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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>>722988776
This aged remarkably poorly.
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>>723019396
So what? The mods are gunna not enforce the rules fairly so as the most racist man on earth I'm just gunna call em like I see em and point out how all rpg fans are shit skin niggers. This is an objective and observable fact. RPGs are a genre made by jews that turn people into dumb niggers. It's like the video game equivalent of daytime television.
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>>723019546
>westoid fagover pretending his games are not fag and troon simulators
HAHAHA
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>>723019583
It's literally a genre made by a bunch of white nerds to play a silly math based game. Lefties literally seethe endlessly that DnD was made by a bunch of chuds
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>>723019557
>the game made to be a JRPG
>that the devs said was aped from JRPGs
>that plays like a JRPG
>"a..actually that counts for our...c..crpg..l..list"
lmao
lol
fucking pathetic
LOL
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>>723019668
>>westoid fagover pretending his games are not fag and troon simula-AAAAAAACCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK
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>>723019668
faggot shit has been in jarpigs way longer than it has in wrpgs tho
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>>723019718
>It's literally a genre made by a bunch of white nerds
Literally every single video game mentioned in this thread was made by a gay guy or a tranny. Why lie? It's brainrot.
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>>723019557
>Metaphor sold 2.2 million
Doesn't sound like a flop to me.
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>>723019727
>ACK
well, you would know all about that, westoid
kek
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>>723019557
E33 is a Jrpg though.
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>>723019725
Oh this little troonie wants to talk about CRPGs lol
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>>723019748
nah
slurp more Faggotware come. Did you buy your 3 copies of Veilguard, homo?
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>>723019718
they pushed out gygax first, and he was the original chud. you chuds aren't allowed in the wrpg space any longer.
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>>723019836
>wojak
>retard
Checks out.
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>>723019778
>Why lie
I ask you the same question. Why lie? Regardless what genre of games should we be playing instead any?
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>>723019836
And every jarpig is a wizardry game
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>>723019725
>frenchies made a better jrpg than trannypanese ever could in the past 25 years
Grim...
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>>723019839
>AAAAAAAACCCCCCCKKKKK
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>>723019839
>moves goalposts immediately
>hides behind the Great Normalfag Attractor (chock full of gays and tranny shit)
guess I win
wow that was easy as fuck
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>>723019805
>kills xim
Nothing personnel little tranimetroon friend. Now how are you going to kill your crossdressing faggot protagonist huh?
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>>723019928
>Nothing personnel little tranimetroon friend
nobody asked about your Bald Gay 3 party members though?
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>>723019920
Next they will post witcher 3 despite it being a bargain bin game most people bought for $3
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>>723019805
>westoid
there's nothing more pathetic than some beaner ball sucking zipperheads while living in the US
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>>723020009
So no different than Elden Ring?
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>>723019874
>Regardless what genre of games should we be playing instead any?
I don't think you can play any real video game. You play RPGs because you have no motor skills and can't operate under pressure or actually learn anything. High test giga chads such as myself play games with genuine obstacles.
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>>723020036
Try English, ESL fuckwit
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>>723019867
I'm aware I was arguing specifically against the "RPGs are a genre made by jews that turn people into dumb niggers" nonsense. Are they now? Yeah WRPGs certainly fit the bill
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To much trolling has made this thread hopeless.
Good or bad is objective.
Words only have power if you give them power.
1+1=5, your right, good for you. Moving on
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>>723019921
>Great Normalfag Attractor
Like the tranny above you?
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>>723019920
>posts the normie game that plays absolutely nothing like a jarpig
No one would even know this game was made by japs, it has fucking nothing japanese in it at all aside from one weapon
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>>723020036
nice brownoid word salad, retard
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>>723020127
>ESL calling someone else ESL
How was that sentence hard to understand?
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>>723020206
your post doesn't even make sense. Learn English. I think you are saying you are attracted to troons and you're also a normalfag? I don't see how any of that is my problem.
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wrpgs have become the trashy romance novel of video games. lol
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>>723020070
>So no different than Elden Ring
>Check steam db
>All time low $35
Nice try though kek
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>>723019970
>nobody asked about your Bald Gay 3 party members though?
Lmao nice projection little troonie.
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>>723020280
>How was that sentence hard to understand?
>there's nothing more pathetic than some beaner ball sucking zipperheads while living in the US
this is not English
ESL RETARD
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>>723020310
I can't hear you, try taking your male party members dicks out of your mouth since they're all instantly gay for you
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>>723020323
>not english
>every single word is in english and someone that isn't ESL would understand every word and slur
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>>723020283
ER is literally the Great Normalfag Attractor like all Fromsloppa tranny.
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>>723020197
>Good or bad is objective
Subjective namefag fence sitter.
I agree conceptually and like both but you have to realize this thread exists for trolls trolling trolls right?
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>>723020308
Look at argentinian prices and try again :)
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>sales and popularity matter now
Guess Battlefield is KING, RPG retards
EZ
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>>723020414
try using a comma next time, ESL fucktard
>i r speek gud trust me
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>>723020214
If E33 isn't a Jrpg than Elden Ring is you can't have it both ways tranny.
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>>723019920
You're just posting proof that tranime jarpigs don't have mass appeal by using this game as your example
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>>723020390
>more projections
I love how you're forced to crossdress in JRPGs, those characters truly represent an average jarpigtranny.
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>>723020569
Westoids have to try to claim both the game made by the Japs and the game made influenced and inspired by JRPGs to have any kind of point
Pure comedy
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>>723020618
you play fag simulators
lol
lmao
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>>723019782
E33 completely shits on it in every way.
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>>723020569
Both are obvious in their influence and I never claimed otherwise
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>>722988776
>western rpgs: retard slop
>eastern rpgs: tactical and stat based
the west literally invented that you stupid nigger, the japanese preferred action games before DQ and FF, inspired by american CRPGs and american TTRPGs made them console friendly for casuals.
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>>723020696
>you play fag simulators
I don't play jarpigsloppa, no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75h48RUhXCM
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>>723020497
>Muh regional pricing
They are maybe 5% of sales anon. Check Argentinas regional all time low for witcher 3. Ukraine shekels are the lowest all time anyways at 14 compared to witchers all time low of $1.64
Therefore using your math it sold twice as much yes but at 15% of the cost
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>>723020541
There was absolutely no need for a comma in that sentence you fucking moron, are you pretending to be retarded?
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>>723020701
I'm confused are we talking about objective truths or are you just gonna move the goal post every time someone points out you are lying?>>723020769
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>>722999295
>troonimai avatarfag acts like anyone asked for his approval
just a reminder that the proxy you like to use for ban evasion will probably go down in the near future :)
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>>722989264
JRPGs are just VNs with pointless and mindless grinding attached to it.

Remember when BG3 came out and became popular enough that the Japanese started playing it? Remember the reviews? How they found it confusing the game had exclusive choices and paths that would lock out content? That there was no obvious "best" route? That you can make bad builds of a character?

Go and watch Japanese playthroughs, and how all of them play on the easiest difficulties.
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>>723020614
He will never post one because xhe knows tranimeslop doesn't sell lmao
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>>723020569
>you can't have it both ways tranny.
JRPGs are Japanese RPGs.
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>Sales data thread

Wrpg trannies and Jrpg trannies both need to kneel.
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>>723020653
if you just barely poke at the changed to wrpgs since the 90s, you know they all take influence from jrpgs now and how much more influential jrpgs were at one time. their adoption of it was the only reason wrpgs even survived and thrived in the late 00s and early 10s.
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Fromshitware games will never be JRPGs nor RPGs. They're westoid influence garbage bought by nigger cattle in the west and china.
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>>723020769
Cross dressing for humor is a time honored tradition in both the East and the West. The difference is the West forgot it is suppose to be a joke
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>>723020907
>Cross dressing for humor
sure thing fag lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwUsDAjy9lc
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>>723020878
Isn't modern warfare free?
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>>723021061
>Sales for "Call of Duty" titles vary significantly by release, with the original Modern Warfare (2019) selling 41 million copies, making it one of the best-selling entries.
Nope.
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>>723021180
Huh. Legitimately didn't know
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>>723020883
What influence? You better not fucking say romance either.
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kneel, shitters
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>>723020883
>jarpigs
>influential
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>>723021329
If you are going to pretend Pokemon isn't more culturally influencial than every single WRPG combined
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WRPG vs JRPG has to be one of the oldests baits on /v/ and anons still fall for it every single time
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>>723021460
Ultima and Wizardry are easily more influencial than Pokemon. What did Pokemon even influence?
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Beepzorz thread?
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>>723021329
it's really clear Planescape: Torment and Baldur's Gate 2 took influence from Final Fantasy VII. if look a look more at your favorite games from that era and you'll see the obvious.

WRPGs owe everything to JRPGs.
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>>723021472
i just love bickering with wrpg fans and the brown retards that conflate baby shit like persona and final fantasy with every jrpg in existence
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>>722988776
Because WRPG are either hit or miss and most of the time its miss.

There are only 10 or so good WRPGs but those 10 WRPGs are better than all JRPGs i played.

WRPGs have a lot of niche CRPGs that are garbage, things like Owlcat games WOTR and Rogue Trader, Obsidian trash like Pillars of Eternity and Tyranny, Mobile tier games like Shadowrun and Underrail, and some old games that only had "good writing" but everything else sucked about them, like NWN, Planescape or Baldurs Gate 1

And then we can't forget the mediocre or downright trash WRPGs like Avowed, Dragon Age, Bethesda trash and The Outer Worlds (lmao)

As i said, its a hit or a miss genre, and most of them are miss.

JRPGs are boring and shallow but they have a lot less stinkers, at the cost of a lot less impressive rpgs
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>>722988776
Jarpigs aren't RPGs.
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>>723021553
>Being this delusional
Pokemon overall cultural influence dwarfs it. This is an objective fact and shouldn't need itemized to anywho who was alive in 98
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>>723021630
Me too brother. It is always a giggle
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>>723021948
Again, what cultural influence?
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>>722994325
accurate
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>>723021896
>I am mad at a valid genre because it was named slightly unconventionally in a literal sense
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>>723021948
>deteriorated the meaning of role-playing
>created a bunch of shitty copycats no different from itself
>popularized card games that sweaty 70 IQ manchildren are into
>popularized anime on the West (supposedly), thereby making the anime as a medium worse overall
>made a bunch of shitty games that are mainly enjoyed by toddlers and again, retarded manbabies even to this day
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>>723022303
I didn't say it was good impact anon
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>>723022303
>>popularized card games that sweaty 70 IQ manchildren are into
Man whenever I see scalpers I just want to kill them. You simply cannot be more of a subhuman than some fat nigger who buys every fucking pack like a subhuman shithead and brags about it afterwards while leaving nothing for the kids to enjoy.
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>>723022729
Poor
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>>723019727
>all gay twink characters rule34 animators jerk off over are jap characters
Really makes you think.
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>>722988776
>putting morrowind in the awful art direction category
nice bait, that's like the only thing it gets right
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>>723022765
I wish the worst upon you.
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>>723022765
>Poor
I buy singles and scalpers make the singles market cheaper. The only people it hurts is actual kids and giga retards



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