Warhammer 3 devs are being cooked by LegendofTotalWar and it's wild.All the influential streamers and content creators have separated into two opposing camp one side is criticising Creative Assembly for all the bugs, delayed DLC and lack of communication. This side is led by Legend and Volound.The other side is defending them to keep their early access review privileges. This side is led by Loremaster of Sotek.Here's a QRD:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fqoVGuwhBshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEqfZGiyyz8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgNtk5EHTDIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjh8k9wAkhMIt's over for CA.
Sorry, /v/ stands with CA. We already agreed to preorder 40k TW and India Total War, so there's little your shitty attempt at astroturfing can do to stop the hype train.
goodwhen the devs decide to cater game balance and decisions based on the retarded whims of the 20 person "mp community" and spend $100 mil on hyenas, they deserve everything coming to them
>>723044471>Eceleb shit
>>723044640>opinion:)>opinion, on youtube:(Why is /v/ like this?
>>723044345Honestly a huge bummer to me that this is happening, because I wanna get an upgraded computer and finally run TWWIII. The Nurgle and Khorne factions really got me super interested.
>>723044345ill be honest... i haven't bought a TW game since Shogun 2
>>723045101Game ran well on a 8600k and gtx 1070 on low settings. I got a new PC and with everything on max (minus post processing and TAA blur) it doesn't really look that much better. You spend most of your time on the campaign map or zoomed out in battles commanding units.
>>723045239 I know a lot of people who gave up on TW after that boring japslop. Warhammer 3 however despite the current temporary issues is the best title in the franchise. Plus you can creamAPI all the DLC for free.
>Legend is retiring for the sixth timeyou think he'll really do it this time?
>>723045101you could always just go back to 2 which was the golden age. 3 has been a non-stop clusterfuck which is why the streamers who make their living on it are going insane.
>>723044345>Pushing your shitty no name channel over a fake controversy no one cares about Holy shit get a FUCKING JOB YOU LAZY HIPPIE
>>723046127Yeah, but TWW2 doesn't have nurgle shit no?
>>723045101They will get it fixed, they are just going about it in the absolute worst way possible because despite being CA's only current product that still see 'development' and 'support' they still aren't allocated proper resources for some reason. The series easily has a year plus of life left in it for viable DLC and likely longer, but they are doing everything possible to kill it.
>>723044345HEY LEGENDOFTOTALWAR HERE
>>723044345I'm not watching clickbait videos let alone whatever zoomer shit that is that you used as OP.I know what the bug is and they'll fix it eventually. Sucks ass the game is ruined until then cause I was going to do a new playthrough recently and found out about the bug. Oh well I'll do it later.Though I'm absolutely shocked that people are upset that paypigging got delayed. Holy shit consumerism.>>723046009He's not really retiring though wasn't it? I thought he was moving to Paradox spreadsheets and just "retiring" from Total War because CA are fags. Odd he befriended that sperg Niggund tho. But I guess crashouts find company.
I'm still waiting for a crack.
>>723044345>QRD>4 videosI bet you could reduce it to two sentences, however I don't give a shit. I like Medieval 2, Shogun 2, 3K and TWWH and if they fuck the balance I can just downpatch or go get mods.It's not like I need CA to keep making new titles, especially after doing boring rome shit again and pharaoh. Maybe I would've kept a candle burning for them if they didn't kill R3K immediately but they did
>>723044471this. the tantrum was fun while it lasted. now we can get back to consooming
>>723047014warhammer 3 has a skeleton crew working on it. when they release stuff it breaks several other things and they dont have the capability to fix it.
>>723044345That bootlicker is already back to making TWW3 videos, what are you talking about.
>>723049270where in the OP does it say he stopped making tw3 videos? what are you talking about?
>>723049425I would hazard a guess that he's talking about Legend of Total War, who said he was going to retire from Total War (at the start of 2026).
>>723049721no shit, what does that have to do with what is said in the OP?
>>723049831He posted a Legend video and he's one of the main reasons this whole thing turned into an event.
>>723049882yeah, he didwhere did i say he quit?
>>723049920Nta but the OP video is saying that Legend dissed CA and TW so hard in his "I quit" video, which is what everyone else is talking about.
>>723050090yeah we all watched the video
>>723046009Bruh.
>>723046009He is gonna do other games, though Civilization shit the bed so I guess it is just stellaris and other paradox games lol.He'll try any new TWWHIII DLC or major updates and also any new TW game.
Btw, isn't Legend suffering from cancer or something?
>>723050554He bounces back between med 2 and shogun 2 but he keeps crawling back to fantasy because that's where most of his viewership comes from.
>>723046009He'll crawl back the MOMENT a new game gets announced. Mark my words.
>>723050930That's what you get for hyperfocusing your channel on one game series.
>>723050746he got hit hard
>>723044345post current player counts you disingenuous cunt
>>723050986problems always start when it stops being a hobby and you start treating it as a job because then you're beholden to something you have zero control over.
>>723050998The norwood reaper takes his due
>>723046009hes not retiring, hes just gonna stop doing total war games, there is plenty of other strategy games to do
>>723051167some legend lore:>bought and paid off his house in brisbane years ago>price would've doubled since then>currently making 15k/month with less video views and vastly less streaming views than he used todude is fucking loaded, his real problem is he hates traveling or doing anything but sitting in his house playing strategy games, he can't understand why he gets burnt out when he lives like a hermit
Creative Assembly made me quit PC gaming. Fuck trouble shootingFuck crash to desk topFuck unoptimized game engines, CA lead the way on that frontFuck resolution issuesFuck older Total War games not working on newer PCsI can't deal with that shit. I played Starcraft 2 and HotS (optimized games) for a few years after Total War Warhammer 1 and that was it.
>>723051167That's just Youtube in general. You're at the mercy of a corporation that constantly fiddles with its back end and could crash and burn with you having no control whatsoever over it.
>>723051678He is also an idiot that says he wants to stay away from drama yet any time there is any kind of drama or his name is mentioned on reddit he makes a video about it.
>>723051814anything that upsets redditors is an overall positive thoughever
>>723044471>India Total Warholy FUARK that sounds kino
>>723051938finally, CA bringing back the sanitation mechanic
>>723052031yep and all factions struggle to maintain it
>>723044345CA made this and Sega put down it like a dog because they want didn't the modern western look and it look like it gonna make money.
>>723052196i wish this released
>>723044345i straight up bought and refunded tww3 twice
>>723044345>Threads being opened with "X is cooked"chat is /v/ cooked fr
>>723050998Jesus. I remember him having a full head of hair a few years back .
>>723052475AND IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU
>>723052475>>723052508norwood reaper 1 turn blitz campaign
>>723052196>>723052302/v/?With all the brown ESLs this board should be changed to /turd/
>>723050998manscapedbros...
>>723052196Well there was negative interest in it, which anyone could have told from the initial announcement of the game's development, but it took the abysmal closed Beta they literally couldn't get people into even with incentivised begging. Sega made the right call as it would have cost more money to release it than to just call it a loss, and depending on circumstances they could potentially claim some of it for a tax write off. There are so many red flags and terrible counter-productive decisions around the game's development that it should genuinely be a business case study.
>>723052668what?
>>723044345>muh youtubersfucks sake
>>723053107I remember being really into TWW3 at the time and wanting to believe that the whole thing was something SEGA forced on CA because they wanted a western supergame, but then the internal documents leaked and it was confirmed that it was all CA all along and they genuinely believed this would be a smash hit.
>>723051678He's overreacting to the extreme. Then again, I guess it did become his entire life so this can only be beneficial to him to clear his head.
>>723044345I just went back to Rome 2 DEI for a bit.
>>723053319problem, boomer?
>>723054041you are the problem
>>723054070the problem is incompetent game devs who dismiss all criticism as 'brigading' by 'toxic' youtuber fans
>>723053398It was genuinely fucking baffling how they were treating TWW3 which despite everything was still printing them money. And then despite actually attempting a course correction fucked it up even more repeatedly. Their distain for the series at this point is just confusing.
NIGGER I DON'T CARE JUST MAKE A GOOD TW CLONE FIRSTSERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK DO I PLAY
>>723051167>>723051808That's just what work is, providing something someone wants for remuneration.
>>723054515no. stop giving your money to your internet celebrity.
>>723056251superchatting legend and having him awkwardly reply is fun though
>>723055120I am convinced that the current management just hates TW because they see it as a niche and would rather churn out a multibillion mega game. The whole development of TWW3 has been infuriating because CA is not interested in properly course correcting, rather when the perception of them gets too negative they just temporarily concede before soon neglecting TWW3 again.
When will TW be Historical again? I just want Medieval 3, I don't fucking want more Fantasy. If the next TW they reveal ends up being 40k, I'm dropping Total War as a franchise.
>>723057946>3k>Troy>Pharaoh Admit it, you don't want historical, you just want Med3
>>723058019I liked 3K and Pharaoh after the Dynasties update.
>>723044345You guys say this every other update, the next one you'll be shouting "WERE SO BACK GUYS!"
>>723057946You really want Med3 made by current year CA anon? You really want to use that monkey paw?
>>723044345>volound attached himself to this for any bits of attentionKILL YOURSELF
>people need to get told that if you want to "fix" a company, you have to hit them where it hurts: the moneyIs the whole internet retarded now?
>>723044345Why are they all like this
>>723058248Companies only care about profit margins go up. It's an effective strategy by making companies either sink or swim. Unfortunately most prefer sinking over swimming.
>>723058248CA is the one who is hurting their money the most by not releasing any products; people are hitting their public image.
>>723044345>youtube videosSo does anyone have an actual QRD?
>>723058370I know. That's why I wonder why people are so retarded and don't realise if a company is doing shady shit affecting their revenue is the best way to fix that.
The only way I can make sense of CA's current situation is that someone is somehow trying to make profit out of crashing the company, or that they are kept afloat by government benefits and have no need to actually release good products.
>>723058370>Companies only care about profit margins go up.You must have been asleep for the last 2 decades if you still parrot this nonsense.Companies are activism over business in the current year. Obviously not all but it definitely applies to most vidya, hollywood, comics among others.
>>723057946never, now go suck a dick somewhere else this doesn't concern you
>>723058161Volound has been taking flak for literal years for criticizing CA as lazy shitty faggots. Why wouldn't he do a victory lap when consoomer cultists get slapped in the face with reality like this?
>>723058385To be fair do you honestly believe that any company that was willing to make and attempt to release Hyenas is able to actually grasp public image on a conceptual level?
>>723044345sotek is such a fat fucking retard. oh the poor company that releases a patch that fucks the game and then says "oops, maybe we'll fix it in the patch that has no release date yet lol".
>>723059041I am really curious who the industry advisor was that convinced all these companies that extraction shooters are the next big thing, and that aesthetics should be ugly as fuck.
>>723058815He’s been taking flack because he’s right by accident but wants to claim he’s some sort of Cassandra. He doesn’t give a fuck about the actual problems of CA and Total war and seethed endlessly when he got called out for being an obnoxious samefag attention whore.
>>723059204If all the rumours are true it is actually understandable how they more or less arrived at the point they did. Which was basically spitballing a rough idea and pushing for development to start before any real finalisation or even market research or feasibility study. Why no one with sense pumped the brakes or pushed for revisions once the time came for finalising the character designs though will forever be a mystery. Being entirely fair the idea of Payday but in space with low-g elements could potentially be interesting if fleshed out properly. But they failed in every aspect of the project from design to technical competency. Such a game would have been hard to really pull off even with a seriously competent dev behind the wheel in the current market at the time, so CA had zero hope in doing it. Yet somehow CA management seemed convinced they were sitting on the next Fortnight somehow.
>>723058428CA is a terribly run company that abandons support for their mainline products to chase after trends (that fail) and their customers are sick of it.
>>723059204probably the same business geniuses who brought us 10000 battleroyale games
>>723045101Both these factions aren't really fun. it's just right clicking once and be done>>723046009>am gonna play stellaris because they are made by an honest company
>>7230461272 has broken Ambush mechanics that will never be fixed
>>723059552BRs at least had PUBG, Fortnite and Apex. Extraction shooters have what, Tarkov?
>>723057946>Med3what's wrong with Med2?
>>723059552There is a sound logic behind following successful product trends, especially in gaming. However there are a number of factors that these companies always seem to ignore and don't really acknowledge the saturation of the market they are competing in. They always seem to fail in one or two key areas, and even when they do manage to land something with real potential they don't stick with it long enough as unless it makes a morbillion dollars profit right out the gate they consider it a failure. Even worse they are all now gunning for GaaS shit which by design has a finite product lifespan and has burned so many people that it is now a consumer adoption deterrent in and of itself. Yet somehow despite all of this these devs and publishers still find a disgusting amount of money to burn on this shit that is doomed to fail.
>>723059391>he’s right by accidentAre you retarded?>Random buzzwordsGot it, you have a hateboner
>>723058428>TWW3 introduces a patch that breaks several factions AI so they just sit around doing nothing>players get pissed off>CA says nothing for a while and fans get pissed>eventully CA says they'll fix it in a patch with the new DLC (which has no official release date, has been delayed several times and not much news)>most popular and shittest TWW3 youtuber whose videos are just the same exploit abusing shit over and over for years finally burns out and decides to quit TW games forever>decides to get the community to bitch openly at CA>community reviewbombs TWW3 into Overwhelmingly Negative for the 8th time since release>says decides to fix the problem>aforementioned youtuber continues releasing TWW3 videos anyway
Didn't the latest patch break a bunch of stuff?
>>723060001They all do that
>>723059709yeah but pubg launched the new genre then everyone scrambled to make a BR game to capitalizetarkov is similar in that pubg was originally just a mod and fairly niche so the business analysts probably think they can dumb down the extraction shooter enough for millions of normies to get in on it
>>723057946boriiiiing
>>723060001Lizardmen and tomb kings AI got broken with them unable to recruit units thus leaving them easy pickings for their neighbors
>>723058815nah he takes flak for being a crippled cunt.
>>723060379I don't know enough about this jewtuber to have any idea what you're talking about, but it strikes me as disingenuous and fueled by a personal vendetta.
>>723057946everyone with insider knowledge is constantly talking about 40k, none of them are talking about med3it would have to be the most secret project CA has ever had if it's started development yeti feel like the plan is 40k>WW1>star warsthey recently cancelled WW1 so maybe theyll swap it out for med 3
>>723044345>unironic CA defenderswew lad
>>723044471>Sorry, /v/ stands with CATourists maybe
>>723051678why is there always parasocial fsggots talking about a streamers finances like anyone fucking cares >MY DUDE IS FUCKIN LOAAAADEDseriously kill yourself im sure he would be disturbed to read this comment even
>>723061183stop using me in your parasocial relationship
>>723061481but you are my best friend
>>723059726>what's wrong with Med2?Med2 is decent but it's overrated and overshadowed by the game which it's based on: RTW. Its bugginess and unfinished state leads it to feel like a cheap reskin of RTW but there are also legitimate gameplay gripes that seriously hurts it.The biggest one being that every faction is largely the same. While in RTW even the most stacked unit rosters had major holes in it whereas in Med2 every faction has everything:>Heavy infantry>Spearmen>Heavy cav>Archers/Crossbowsit gets really silly once you consider the fact that every faction including every western faction has horse archers (or horse crossbowmen in the Europeans' case).It also felt silly to me how you can sink 10s of thousands of florins to build stables in your castles and what does that get you? Nothing because those units are being made available based on your castle tier anyway. It does make it so you can recruit more knights but the upkeep is so high that the money is a 1000 times bigger factor than the availability ever is. It's also such a shame that they went with the standard non-realistic hollywood trope of medieval times being dirty and lacking color while in RTW everything has a garish color scheme and everything just pops and is exaggerated in a good way. Also the crusade/jihad mechanic is way overtuned.Med2 is good and addictive and it improved some things but took a step back in others and as a whole is an inferior reskin to a better, timeless classic.
>>723052583Stop posting this shit! Stop spreading asmons lies
>>723057946>When will TW be Historical again?In the last five TW games only one was not historical.
>>723062313Then why won't he show the collar to cut off the lies?
CA Sophia ruined EVERYTHING
>>723062695He did after he removed the electric prods
the eternal bulgarian
>>723052583>doesn't even like WarhammerYou'd genuinely have to be a braindamaged corporate simp to the next level to unironically enjoy Warhammer TW though.
>>723062741why
>>723060001>play as the desert dwarf>befriend khalifa>wonder why at turn 30+ she only has one army which has only 10 minutes and does fuck all on the map as I can see her movement>dev blog post is published oh, so that's what happened
>>723063015attach more buzzwords I'm sure that will help your cause
>>723063619Tomb Kings and Lizardgoys got a rework which broke the AI because it doesn't know how to use the faction anymore. Apparently stuck in a loop of trying to recruit units it's not able to and giving up it's turn after failing the check too much. Or something.
>>723063745Also other factions armies tend to just congregate around their own cities and do nothing.
>>723063619>why is Wurrzag eating up Southlands?>why is Skrolk eating up Lustria?
>Muh ecelebkys
>>723052031The higher your sanitation level, the slower your province grows.
>>723063654Buy more DLC I'm sure they'll fix your game, lol
"lerrn"What is he? Scottish?
>>723063745it's so funny because the reworks were minimal too. So they came out worse than before
Aren't those the faggots pretending that people give a shit about Total War MP and forcing balance changes based on that stupid mode?
>>723064918no theyre sp faggots
>>723044345>All the influential streamers and content creatorsWhy the fuck should I care what a bunch of retarded attention whores say about a dogshit game everyone sane abandoned long ago? It's their livelihood, not mine. Legendoftotalwar is a fucking insufferable, arrogant fuckwit and I hope Warhammer dies just so he no longer has a channel. Fuck off with your eceleb worship, you pathetic simp.
>>723050159lmao no we didn't, retard. You overestimate how much people care about your eceleb drama.
>>723065561You underestimate how much people care about eceleb drama.
>>723051678>dude is fucking loadedThat's nothing in Australia. A few months of bad views on his channel and he'll be struggling.
>>723065452here's another bump
>>723064918forcing balance changes based on that stupid mode?There isn't necessarily anything wrong with this as good MP balance should generally trickle down to SP. In fact, since MP and SP have vastly different metas, nerfs to strong MP units should barely affect your SP campaign (for example; cool SEMs like Bloodthirsters are almost never taken in MP, whereas boring stuff like skirmishers that have no use outside of the first ten turns are considered extremely strong in Domination. Also, most balance changes are either to unit cost (irrelevant) or minor +2 decreases to MA or something. The problem is that CA occasionally balances the fun stuff out of a unit altogether, famous examples of which are adding the regen cap and summon decay all the way back in WH1 to address VC shitting on everyone. And this has an easy fix - the tech tree, which is SP-exclusive. Yeah, the instantly-recharging Tzeentch shields at launch were cancerous in the extreme and nobody wants to deal with a player who's good at abusing them. So nerf the barrier across the board but add a tech tree option that reduces barrier recharge delay factionwide, and there you go. The only one who has to deal with it is the AI which won't complain.
>>723065561i care
>>723065698But then you would have to change the tech trees.Which seeing how the game seems to work is like a 1 month job for 10 people.
>>723065698Vampire coast got hit extremely hard because some Vietnamese guy dominated with them in MP. Depth Guard became inexplicably trash and all flying versions of Deck Gunners/Droppers were nerfed to unusability.
Warhammer literally has the greatest, most original lore in all of gaming. Just look at all its well written characters such as malus darkblade. If you hate Warhammer you're not a real gamer.
>>723044345>missing the point THIS hard
>>723066070This but unironically.
>>723066070
>>723066089what point?
>>723067785It's not about destroying CA, but them fixing their damn game.
>>723044471True. I don't care about the online drama, i just want to see how a 40k total war game looks like.
>>723058337Didn't this dude use to be a battlefield shill
>>723044345CA: ragtag group of game devs just trying to make it in the world.vs Legend: cynical millionaire trying to tear the work and lives of little people down.I know who I side with.
>>723059637He should update his profile picture
>>723060778Star wars is dead
>>723071004at least he had one
>>723044345RIP in jeetshit, cretins.
>>723062162>Med2 is good and addictive and it improved some things but took a step back in others and as a whole is an inferior reskin to a better, timeless classic.Are you really trying to say that med1 is superior to med2? Really?
>>723063015It's unironically fun and good. Only contrarians think otherwise. As i always say, it's a fantastic game on its' own, but a mediocre total war game.
>>723044345I've tried to play these games several times and I always just bounce off. I feel like I enjoy the map gameplay far more than the actual battles, which just seem boring no matter what.
>>723050554Stellaris is also taking a shit right now.Sins 2 is dead and the dlc has killed mp even moreNot a good time for strategy games.
>>723046009No, when the deadline comes he's just gonna either just quietly keep playing total warhammer and/or CA will patch it over enough for drama to calm down by then and legend is going to declare victory and say it's fine now.
>>723058019>3k, troyBased on works of fiction, not serious historical sources.>pharaohwe wuz kangzKys brainlet.
holy craperino!!!my youtuber streamer that i worship is doing a heckin dramerino!!!!!
>>723073059...and it's having an effect on the industry
>>723073197ummmm, delete this please?
>>723062741It's the other way around, Sophia had the super bug-free branch of WH2 that solved all the big issues, but then the retards at CA UK continued working on WH3 with the old fucked up branch filled with infinite spaghetti.Then they dumped the dumpster fire WH3 release on Sophia and told them to fix it with a shoe string budget that only got smaller after Hyenas.
>>723057946My understanding was that they are working on 40k and med3
>>723073365Your timeline is all fucked up. CA Sophia is a different team from the TWW2 and 3 DLC team. TWW3 release team fucked everything up, and then CA Horsham DLC team from 2 took over and worked on everythting until Omens of Destruction which was partly developed by Sophia, and now Sophia is completely in charge and they're utterly incapable of delivering DLC, reworks or even patches that work.
>>723073059>pay for DLCs that break game>has to wait for youtuber to point it out because (You) don't play the game>i cant believe youtubers did thisgood goy
>>723062610The only history chuds care about is romans and knights. Everything else might as well be fiction to them. There are no "historical" fans instead in broad sense. There's balkan nationalists and retarded murricans with no culture of their own larping as romans.
>>723073059>>723073197>>723073326nooooooooo this is the first time in human history that a famous person with a large following enacted change through words and actionsI HATE MODERN SOCIETY
>>723044345Let's be real.Legend made TW:Warhammer growth from a niche franchise to the biggest RTS ever made.CA owe him a big thank you and a blowjob with swallow.Now he's gone and their house of cards is falling apart.
>>723057946I only played Med2 for the LOTR mod. U mad?
>>723073913I bought all three games because of Legendoftotalwar, but I don't know if other people are in the same boat as me
>>723073610I think one large dlc s year is enough, fuck you, if you think otherwise. The game has more than enough dlc already, it really doesn't need any more.
>>723044345>Loremaster of SotekIs this the guy who attacked Arch?
>>723074082Yes you should have played Planetside
>>723073197>>723073910>>723073705ermmmm my frickin daddy figure online is upseterino!!!!yeah give him another paycheck faggots. LMAO.
>>723072534>Are you really trying to say that med1 is superior to med2? Really?No. Read my post again and see what games are mentioned to figure out the mystery of what game Med2 is a reskin of.
>>723074571I think you're angry because it's working, it makes you a bit scared
>>723074184That doesn't narrow it down much. Pretty much everyone else who even acknowledges him it's only to shit on him for being a chud. He's like the only person outspoken about preferring old warhammer and shitting on GW for trying to pull this "more inclusive" shit willing to put his face behind it so he became the poster boy for the wrong kind of warhammer fan.
>>723074571ok ill send him another superchat next time he streamshit em with the big 50 dono bomb and make him say my name, i can smell your jealously through the screen
>>723044471>India Total WarI wouldn't even be mad. We are never ever getting any historic game with scale and effort ever again.It's gonna be Warhammer slop for the rest of time.
next historical is chinks
>>723045239Rome 2 was where I jumped off. It's so fucking boring and soulless.
>>723074184Sotek is just a corpo shill toxic positivity onions oy poster child that will continue sucking dev cock as long as he gets a free review copy to make videos about.
>>723074987Nah, the retards jumped the gun thinking that announcing a sequel will somehow make the news they are abruptly cutting support better, but that project never took off the ground. At the time they said it's not even pre-production and within half a year the team got disbanded, people left the company and it's been years since then. It never got far enough to even deserve being called cancelled, they never started it at all.
I said I wouldn't buy until they released Nagash and I still haven't bought it
>>723044345imagine needing some trannytuber to tell you what to think
>>723075342Who gives a fuck? Fuck nagash. The game has 99 percent of all the top heroes anyways, it doesn't need any more.
>>723058337SAD!
>>723075749No.
>>723044345Is this their revenge for Hyenas booming?
>>723075936I can't for the life of me understand how anyone has any hope for CA and TW after knowing about Hyenas. It's like finding a 30kg tumor on your 90 year old diabetic Grandma.
>>723075876Yes
>>72307607940Kino soon
>>723057946To bad Richard the Lionheart is going to have a Camel mount and Saladin will have magical abilities
>>723044345them going bankrupt would be glorious for pandering to fantasytroons and completely disregarding their historical (lol) fanbase
i stopped playing after TWH2. Glad i didint miss anything.
>>723044345Do people still play TW besides the warhammer games and modded Medieval 2?
>>723076264You should pick up WH3 and Cream the DLC just for Chorfs, they're 11/10.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q7KX94fFHo
>>723044345I lost interest in 3 after CA debuted the new "improved" sieges. I still play 2 every now and then but I'll probably just never buy 3
>>723074116Same boat ever since I watched his early Vampire Count streams from back in the day.
>>723076143Never cared about 40k.It's gonna be fun seeing how they will corrupt it to hell and back, though.It's pretty masculine, toxic and problematic so the people who moved over from Hyenas will go to work modernizing it for women. :)
>>723076952>>723076143They'd sooner to Age of Shitmar than 40k, lol
>>723044345>Around 10k views>Around 10k views>Around 250k views>Around 200k viewsYou think it looks bad now? Mandalore confirmed he's making a new video for WH3 and he's gonna rip CA a new one to an audience of 1M+. THAT'S when you'll see CA panic for real.Honestly? This whole nonsense goes back to both Hyenas and whichever dipshits developed base game WH3. The former drained most of the resources and workforce to develop a fucking stillborn product, and the latter released such a complete piece of shit game that the DLC team had to waste what amounts to a whole year's worth of dev time, perhaps even two, simply to clean up all the garbage. It took nearly a year for Immortal Empires to even release, for fuck's sake, and only THEN did the DLC train start.
>>723076997they are literally launching TW 40k next year
>>723077105sauce
>>72307614340k doesn't work unless they massively rework battles. It's theoretically possible they are taking their time because they are developing necessary tech for it, but no, it just aint happening. If they force it, it's gonna be absolute shit.
>>723077105They said they are going to announce the new game this year, but I kinda doubt that whatever it is, it's going to come up within a year.
>>723077105>they are literallyIt's >literallybeen rumors bro.
>>723076143>>723077150If it's not a new engine then it's gonna be an unplayable disaster. There's a good chance they did work on a new one.
>>723074741Isnt Karl the Deranged from tts series a fan of arch?
>>723077150They need to do something about the 20 unit card setup that they've got going on for what, 25 years with no innovation in sight.
>>723077307Of course it's not gonna be a new engine. They weren't developing one while they had money and were selling like hot cakes. They were only allowed to think short-term profits except for HyenasAfter Hyenas they have even less goodwill. Just stack on more tech debt on the old engine and make some more DLC slop.
>>723077140>>723077248>>723077287Valrak has spoken to someone who playtested the game.
>>723077105They are only announcing that in December
>>723044345buy an ad
>>723077529>40k.jpgMy dude it's just Total War: Warhammer 4.In all seriousness 40k in Total War just feels entirely wrong and I don't think it's going to be that fun. I'd rather just play with Stellaris mods to get a 40k fix.
>bro fell off lmaao fralright
>>723044471>Sorry, /v/ stands with CAHow about no?
>>723077594yes, and it is supposed to launch late next year, the main team moved off warhammer 3 last year so that gives them 2-2.5 years of full time development on top of any smaller team that began making it
>>723076143>TWW40K releases>It's a piece of shit as everyone can already tell>"But the starved 40k fans will buy it anyways!" >Has to compete with the new DoW4CA's ruin will be well deserved.
>>723044345This pitiable tribalism, living proof of the plebeian intellect of fantasyfags, is beyond me.Oh woe is me, CA supported my dogshit setting for 10+ years with dozens of DLCs and one of, if not THE best 1:1 faithful recreation of a dead franchise, only for ME to feel entitled and annoyed by their lack of continued nannying!Pitiable wretches, the whole lot of them.Things would've been different if, on that faithful day, Robert T. Smith was in that shareholder meeting.
>>7230774603k is 21 cards :-)At the risk of skill issue, 20 cards is already kinda annoying to manage at times much less going control large army and 40. They'd have to really change up the battle controls concept if we are to control large armies and especially while at the same time we get games beyond formation fighting and into open order.
>>723073053>we wuz kangzYou're infuriating."WAAAH WAAAH WE WANT HISTORICAL GAMES.">Okay here's one set in Dark Ages Britain."I don't want that.">Okay here's one set in China during the 3 Kingdoms period, you can even turn off the hero shit."I don't want that.">Okay here's one set in Mycenaean Greece with three modes, one of which is quasi-history and the other full-on history"I don't want that.">Okay here's one set in the height of the Bronze Age. You've got Canaanites, Hittites, Egyptians and everything in-between."I don't want that.">Okay then we'll just make more fantasy-shit"UGH YOU NEVER MAKE HISTORICAL GAMES ANYMORE."
>>723077715If a product is good, i might buy it. But i'm not a "consumer", i don't "consume". I'm a (potential) customer.
>>723078105By historical they mean just medieval 3. Maybe empire 2. Maybe.
>>723044345Chink review bombing paid for by legendsoftotalwar
>>723077880Thank you anon for contributing to the "historyfags are eternal lolcows" meme.
>>723077752I've read that they've run into a roadblock and that has delayed it.
>>723059978Are you retarded?Saying CA is shit is accurate, but believing it’s because they don’t have banners or unit reload animations makes you a fucking idiot if you use that as a reason to take a victory lap when people who listened to someone else also say CA is shit. Because you were only right by accident.
>>723078335you did not, in fact, read anything of the sortthey have cancelled WW1 TW however and Star Wars is in the very early stages of development
>>723044345It's like 8 years too late, warhammer 1 was the only good game in the trilogy, 2 was a massive downgrade in everything, 3 is still a fucking mess, not to mention how overpriced it is, buggy, units still don't work properly after 10 years and it doesn't have sieges on the same level as rome 1 from 19 years ago.
I'm just upset that CA intentionally broke TWW2 not long after TWW3 released. For years it never crashed for me and then suddenly it couldn't go 15 minutes without blowing up. One of my favorite games is now just unplayable.
>>723078072A complete rework is in order. They should've already done it for TWWH because there are so many quality vs quantity situations that the rigid 20 unit card formula just doesn't allow for. It's an absolute travesty because it forces factions like Skaven to drop all their cannon fodder and load up exclusively on big guns to have any hope of competing with quality armies like Lizardmen. I'm not big into 40k but I can't imagine it being any different.
>>723044602What the fuck is happening in that webm
>>723078529The solution for that is just to increase the size of units per cards, no?
>>723078596a Multiplayer e-celeb gets raped by the Single Player AI
>>723078596Parody of that cyberpunk2077 gameplay webm where the player zooms around keeps switching weapons to make it look like high tier play.
>>723078596it's gameplay from one of the mp 'experts' jobbing to campaign ai
>Sophia breaks AI during the Dynasties update to Pharaoh, never fixed>Sophia gets sent to the WH3 mines>WH3 AI gets worse Yup all seems to make sense to me.
>>723074180Then how about Sophia fixes something instead of breaking the game more with each update while making unnecessary changes such as buffing Discipline
>>723078105They are all low-effort small-scale slop slapped together by the B-team.The kind of shit that used to be part of an expansion pack to the real full-scale game.They used to be able to do better before you guys came with Warhammer.
>>723078732I don't know exactly what should be done. Maybe they just ought to implement similar limitations that the 40k codexes places on army compositions. In fantasy battles there are unit caps which the TWWH playerbase has been clamouring for for ages. Dragon doomstacks are ridiculous on its face and should have never been in the game to begin with and the fact that some newer factions have unit caps while the old ones don't is a hint that the devs are just too lazy to work them into the game.
>>723078105we want historical games**in actually good time periods, not chinkshit, bronzeslop or britbong mudhut eras
>>723057946>>723057946>>723057946Uh so there 3k, Troy and Pharaoh.I'm guessing you don't want a historical game you just want med3
>>723079228You remind of the history thread yesterday where rome in media is always just the same 100 years between the later republic and the early imperial period.
>>723063745The AI problem was far earlier, but it was in the background.With every new update however the problem rose until the AI factions went full retard with the TKs and Lizzies being the biggest examples here.
>>723076201They came out with three historical games you tard.
>>723063745that bug doesn't just effect tomb kings and lizardmen, it can effect every single faction if they want to recruit something they can't
Volound is so based its unreal
Volound is a faggotLegend is a faggotSotek is a faggotCA are faggots
The game is fineFuck off
My major issue with TWW3 is unit availability.Let's say for the sake of example I want to play an army with Demigryph Knights. Those units are simply not available until turn 50 and once they are available, I can just make an entire army filled with them and doomstack.Instead I have to play most of my campaign with units I'm not too fond of, additionally I don't get to experience early game fights with the unit I want, instead only getting them once the game devolves into spamstacks.My solution would be to change the way buildings work. At a tier 3 capital you can build unit tier 5 buildings, but those provide just one hirable unit, somewhat similar to the Tomb Kings system. Then at tier 4 capital you can upgrade the building and get 2 units, tier 5 for 3.
>>723079667he is a funny sperg i give him that.
>>723044602hey at least milkandcookies has something resembling a spine even if he's a MPNIGGER that can't beat very hard AIBasedtek deserves all the hate
>>723074741>the wrong kind of warhammer fan.I thought Warhammer was for Everyone™
>>723076494Why did you post this shitty "dub" that adds nothing to the original image?
>>723079816das rite
>>723076143I'd rather do 30k Fall of the Samurai game where unit variety is more uniform outside of a few special units for each Legion. While you can recruit and manufacture Space Marine units en masse special stuff like titans you need to sway them to your side
>>723079228You can't eat chicken nuggets for every meal, anon.
>>723080082the playtest leaks said each faction is part of a larger global effort, so spacemanii are fighting for the imperiumit honestly sounded dogshit and like they are doing RoC 2.0 and delaying M/IE equivalent
>>723079942Learning this was not made as satire but by some actual troon blew my fucking brain open
>>723079728I was thinking about something similar, like being able to build any building at any settlement level but the lower the settlement level the longer it will take to build, so a V building being built on a level 1 settlement would take over 20 turns, BUTyou are able to recruit higher tier units right away even if you don't have the high tech building finished, these rushed units would consume an extra unit slot in the army, and maybe even be incapable of replenishing outside the city that recruit it or another city with the correct tech building. (purely to prevent the player from instantly winning by turn 1 due to unstoppable snowball)So you instead of filling a 20 army with crap you could run a well rounded smaller elite army with units you enjoy straight away, instead of boring 15 swordman army.
>>723078529This is my biggest pet peeve, that light units sort of have no right to exist and become obsolete because you'd rather fill up the army with top tier units since you are limited in army slots and in number of stacks (directly or through corruption mechanics) and the difference in upkeep cost is mostly negligible to this decision.I don't have a good solution though. A games have tried in some ways with recruitment pools, global unit caps or special resource upkeep costs but most of those still encourage putting all your best units into a single stack rather than more balanced armies.Doing a tabletop-like limit per stack is a popular idea but I think it's probably a bit too arbitrary and going far in campaign and leading to other degenerate gameplay like marching 4 stacks next to each other and leaving slots empty or filling it with shittiest possible unit that exists only to hide it in forest.Games will optimize the fun out of the game no matter what you do.
>>723079728It has always been an issue for a decade now. By the time you are able to recruit t4/5 units aka the fancy center piece monsters, you have practically won the campaign and each battle is just mopping up easy fights with your elite gold chevron t1 spearmen and archers. It doesnt help that t1 units can get so many bonuses and are all around more economy friendly that there's barely any reason to field higher tier units.
>>723078509Never crashes for me but the ambush bug is still in the game and sometimes the map gets region colors confusedThe ambush bug is especially grievous for some campaigns
>>723080284>it is just a mocking drawing of what a part of the fandom thinks people want when the topic of inclusivity pops upCongrats, you are fucking retarded and fell 110% for the most obvious bait to have ever been baited.
>>723078807That webm in and of itself is a parody of Doom Eternal where the weapons are trash and you have to constantly swap between them to animation-cancel the reloads if you want to do good damage.
>>723074887Historical settings are just inherently inferior to fictional settings due to the restrictions they apply to the sorts of things you can put in your game. It's boring and makes for less interesting and less cool games while most people don't have a particular hard-on for history and as such there's no major appeal.
>>723044345this retarded zoomer lingocook this cook thatfucking use WORDS you have a lot of them in your fucking language
>>723077309I mean, he's kjnda a nobody, but if he is, fair.>>723079816Everyone**White men need not apply
>>723081541>i-it's a bait pic, atschkualy!proof, ESLkun? you underestimate the severity of lgbt mental illness
>>723044471We?
>>723082227It had appeal enough to be a series I've been playing since the Shogun 1 demo disc that came with Tiberian Sun.We bought their games for 20 years before Warhammer. Maybe they can't have all the blue-haired women making Hyenas or doing cancerous HR shit ,hire Sweet Baby Inc etc, but no one wants that shit anyway.
>>723082627>P-proof?The artists twitter. You know, the thing you falsely claimed you totally looked up yourself.
>>723078832>Those skillsJesus, does this retard think hes playing TW1?
>>723082846I played and liked TW before it went for a fictional setting too, but it was clearly the right decision in terms of what kind of game can be made. Doesn't have to be WH in particular or anything (though the name and existing fanbase almost certainly helps in terms of sales) but it allows for a far greater variety in units and mechanics and as such greatly benefits a game to not be shackled to a relatively realistic depiction of history.
>>723060778>everyone with insider knowledgeNone of you have anywhere near as much knowledge as I, the Seer of video games. The next TW title will be Final Fantasy Total War, followed immediately by Endless Total War and the historical Warring States China Total War
>>723057946i for one hate historical total war, always installed fantasy mods and when tw warhammer came out i cummed hard, give armies of dragons and zombies, you can have armies of normal humands in almost all games
>>723080945They could design battles to allow for different types of units to perform in their intended role but that would require them to reintroduce some lost technology like morale, shock tactics and even certain tabletop features.TWWH has completely bungled entire factions' playstyles. For example in tabletop - Skaven are perfectly happy to fire straight through their own skavenslaves that are engaged with the enemy but in TWWH they won't shoot because of LoS. Not that such a mechanic would make you take skavenslaves in TWWH but it would be a step in the right direction. They'd have to do away with the antiquated army losses and power balance system to allow for units to be taken despite them not necessarily being able to generate value on their own.
>>723083419based franchise killer
>>723083527With the older games you could actually mod the map, though. They removed that to protect their cancerous DLC business.
It genuinely doesn't matter. Warhammertrannies are actually even more pathetic than Gachafags in their corporate consoomer subservience. Wish we could go back to the good old days when Warhammerfags were consigned to their containment board /tg/, but too many newfags these days.
>>723044345how does this benefit the players?
>>723046009>when he said he was going to upload videos of paradox games because they respect the gamers
>>723083678But you can mod the map, you got the map that is the old world but massively expanded, or the immortal empires one but with Ind/Kuresh/Nippon
>>723082856whole army of Mrs. Nesbits
>>723084207There are no total overhaul mods with the Empire-engine. They are all with the Rome/M2-engine.Maybe you can do some small tweaks on the maps they have made, sure.You can't do Third Age on the Empire-engine.
>>723083678Warhammer 3 has some pretty massive mod maps, I pretty much almost always play on the old world map nowdays and IEE sometimes especially since I use a bunch of faction mods
>>723052583I like Warhammer setting back from my pen and paper RPG days but gameplay in TWW is absolute cancer
>>723079942
>>723057946>When will TW be good again?never
>>723084692>he doesn't know People don't do it because its a pain in the ass, but full on map modding was figured out 2 years ago
>>723044345>delayed DLC and lack of communicationThese are non-issue, why are we even focusing on this?
>>723083780I disagree, most warhammer 3 players aren’t tablesloppers and this isn’t even the first time the playerbase lost their shit at the state of the game/dlc.
>>723072534not him but med 2 is to rome what med 1 was to shogun 1a spin off
>>723062313
>>7230781053k was decent game but lacked final polishrest are just not my settingwhy they don't give us another rome, medieval, empire or pike and musket game(but good this time)?
>>723057946Never, historycels deserve the rope
Curious how 40kids wax on about gatekeeping yet are all too happy to invade total war and make it their own.
>>723079728the whole recruiting system suck, general/army system suck, province system suck, agents suck, sieges suck, battles suckdesu almost everything suck in TWW
>>723084872I believe all the Tomb King and Lizardmen Legendary lords AI are completely unable to recruit or move their armies. It's an unacceptable thing to have occur this late into development, but worst of all is how fucking long it takes for them to fix this shit. It has a massive impact. Didn't it also take like 8 month for them to fix Kroxigor for Nakai? Even though the community had shown it could be fixed in like 2 minutes with one line of code
>>723057946That's ok, everyone else is dropping it if it's some boring & dry history wank instead. I'm sure they'll really miss you.
>>72308571840K doesn't even have a Total War
>>723085857It's not just Tomb Kings and Lizardmen those are just the most focused on. I've seen Vampire Counts (especially Vlad) actively expand but around turn 30-50 he just clusters around one settlement. (Usually never the same one.)
>>723050446As a comp mp nigger who mainly plays rts, I think any focus at all towards mp is a stupid fucking idea when it comes to tww.The game was designed from the ground up to be an immersive sp 4x map painting sim, and the microscopic portion of the mp playerbase of spergs are ruining the fun for everyone else.Not only that but the game will always be an unbalanced shithole never designed for pvp in the first place no matter how many sprinkles the devs try to throw on there."Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken"
>>723085857The bugs are big issues which is why I didn't focus on them, I said it's pointless to focus on delayed DLC>Even though the community had shown it could be fixed in like 2 minutes with one line of codeAnd how could you tell for sure that the line of code wouldn't break 20 other things?
>>723044345>voloundopinion discarded
>>723082227Warhammer as a setting isn't any better. They can't make new units or anything because they have to be approved by GW. Chaos ironically only has four gods with clearly defined aspects and goals. It's "safe fantasy" designed to sell toys, not spark imagination.
>>723052196>Sega put down it like a dog because they want didn't the modern western look and it look like it gonna make money.Are you brown or just having a stroke?
>>723085956Warhammer fantasy fans and 40kid fans are literally the same. The former just have a misplaced sense of superiority because they consoom a different brand of slop from the same company.
>>723051678Yea man, traveling is fuel for the soul. He should go to uh, japan. a few times. and then spain, and finland. that'll give him purpose.
>>723086132>The bugs are big issues which is why I didn't focus on them, I said it's pointless to focus on delayed DLCAgreed. Huge bugs like this should be fixed before content is added>And how could you tell for sure that the line of code wouldn't break 20 other things?I don't. I wasn't playing at the time, so I'm just relaying what I heard. Still doesn't excuse it, because that's literally his signature units
>>723052196have you ever been so far as to decide
>>723082856No that dude was dead serious. It was not a joke
>>723051814With TW it's basically because all the other youtubers are beholden to CA through the partner program, so they're not going to be the ones to raise a stink about anything. Legend felt compelled to do it in their stead, I suppose
>>723086778>Still doesn't excuse it, because that's literally his signature unitsIt kind of does because if that one code does send up breaking 20 other things then you're going to have a lot more things to fix.
Why would anyone want to be in the CA partner program anyways? Early access to the 1 or 2 DLC that CA pumps out a year doesn't seem worth limiting the content your channel can make. No wonder legend has been the only one able to make a decent living off of TW.
>>723074184He dick sucked CA and called the player base ungrateful because the original wood elf dlc forge thing shit, which it was. Then he flipped once the tide turned and his viewers got angry at him
>>723087703From what I have heard the partner program doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for a while now. They scrapped it because it had a lot of "legacy" names who are no longer active and/or never player warhammer so it wasn't fulfilling the purpose, because when they came out from hibernation it was only to shit on CA and long for the good old times of rome1.They are picking their shills differently now.
>>723087120Right right. Everybody is constantly lying to you and never mean what they say. Especially if it risks going against tranny = the devil. Your head might literally explode if you had to accept something going against the doctrine.
>>723087236No, it doesn't. This game has been worked on for so many years at this point, from 1 to 3. There is no excuse for them fucking up a core part of an entire faction that lasts for months on end. Even more so, because the reason why it could break 20 other things is their fault in the first place. If they fuck up their code in a patch, then that's their burden to bear. Someone at CA didn't give a fuck, else it wouldn't have taken months for them to fix a basic mechanic that worked years before they broke it in a patch. CA has done it before, they'll do it again. It's clearly a pattern, so no I won't excuse it and neither should you. They're not running a charity
>>723090639>There is no excuse for them fucking up a core part of an entire faction that lasts for months on end. But the more they change the more stuff is likely to break, the game worked for so many years until they changed it and something in that change caused things to glitch out badly. So they have to spent time finding what it is, fix it and then make sure more stuff aren't broken
>>723045101Neither of those factions are affected by the bug which prompted all thisLizardmen and Tomb Kings AI isn't working, they don't recruit new units at all
>>723090787Anon, it does not take an entire team 8 months to fix a unit problem in one faction. It was never a priority for them. I don't care that their code is fucked, because it's THEIR code. They are not a charity and it is entirely their fault if THEY fuck up something in their patch. I don't think they ever even fucking commented on it. That's ignoring the insider information that says the devs were told that bug fixing isn't important
>>723090787Just make it a beta opt-in patch then. It's been done before. Besides, the final patch of WH2 has the same Tomb Kings bug. It doesn't happen all the time but it happens often enough to where I consider it to be pretty game-breaking. They have to lose all of their existing armies first and there might be something else that needs to happen.
>>723090787>>723091446That reminds me that the ambush bug introduced in the last patch is still in Warhammer 2 to this day
>>723044345>It's over for CA.This truly is... the legend of Total War.
>>723091253>it does not take an entire team 8 months to fix a unit problem in one factionMaybe it does, how can you tell? And you're right maybe it didn't take 8 months to fix that issue but they don't want to roll out a hot fix for that alone and would rather fix as much as possible in one go
>>723091742>maybe it didn't take 8 months to fix that issue but they don't want to roll out a hot fix for that alone and would rather fix as much as possible in one golol come the fuck on. That's precisely what hotfixes are for. It's not some small bug you can just ignore when it fucks an entire faction. You're either completely delusional or an actual shill
Legend somehow turned into the worst clickbaiter. By his own admission, he farms drama now because it brings in a LOT of money and he doesn't give a fuck about anything else. Is the game bugged? Sure. Is Legend a fag? Completely.Anyway, I love this game but it's time they drop support and make sure their next game is not a fuckup. At this point it's pointless trying to fix the fuckup that was release WH3, the code is unsalvageable spaghetti. Just fire whoever worked on WH3 before release and start over.
>>723091994>he farms drama now because it brings in a LOT of money and he doesn't give a fuck about anything elseThe vast, vast majority of his videos are about disaster battles or disaster campaigns. It's a small minority of them that has anything to do with CA or the community
>>723079728>>723085732This is a problem with all Total War games, there has never been a Total War game where you could get the fun end-game units early. Play Shogun 2 as Otomo and you'll be waiting 60+ turns just to research the fun unique gunpowder unitsActually TWW is the only Total War game where with some factions you CAN get the big end-game units earlyPlay vampires and raise dead, play Khorne and recruit the bloodletting armies, play Greenskins and recruit some WAAAGH units, play Moulder and spawn abominations out of your flesh-lab
>>723092135>The vast, vast majority of his videos are about disaster battles or disaster campaignsYeah but I don't watch those so they don't count, he's clearly only doing outrage and drama farming since that's all I watch from him.
>>723092135Appearances anon. Appearances. His drama videos make 10 fucking times more than his shitty disaster battles. He teamed up with fucking Volound of all people, that should tell you all you need to know about his priorities.
>>723091994It's good you are self aware of that. People on 4chan, despite thinking themselves aware of being jewed over, really lose sight of the obvious fact that an eceleb's entire business practice hinges upon getting viewers for their videos. That is the singular way they make money. So they will do everything and anything to stoke that - drama, speculation, shit-slinging, rumor milling, gossiping.I hate E-celebs.
I don't understand.
>>723092619There was a Total War update which broke the AI for two factions, now those faction's AI can't recruit unitsThis has lead to an incel rebellion in the community
>>723092448Sure, but why pretend like that's all he cares about now when he's still uploading TW content? All the drama stuff is such a small part of his uploads. We already know that Legend gets involved in these incidents when they happen. You have to remember that the guy clearly likes TW as a series. I don't think there's any doubt about that. Commenting on CA or the community does not have to come from a need of viewer engagement. You think Legend isn't actually mad/dissatisfied when he makes those videos? That he doesn't have something to say about these things, despite it being in a series that he's played for decades at this point? He clearly does give a fuck about the games themselves
>>723092770Thanks , """anon"""
>>723055656Ultimate General American Civil Warit's historical, and more historically accurate than any total war ever was, and made by Darth (of darthmod)It doesn't have a world map, but the sequel American Revolution will. Last I checked it was still in development hell though.
>>723093247You're welcome, """other anon"""
I love """anons""".
>>723093145>He clearly does give a fuck about the games themselvesWrong. He cares about his bottom line and right now, his bottom line is Total War. Watch some of his streams, the man's miserable, he's been threatening to quit for years now. He already admitted to being rich as fuck, he said he'd stop streaming long long ago, now he says he'll quit once again. You know why he keeps coming back? It's not because he cares, it's because he doesn't want to give up the golden goose. For fucks sake, the man started beef with CA, he started beef with other streamers, he aligned with fucking Volound to split the community apart and drama farm. God fucking damn how ignorant are you people when you believe he's doing ANY of this out of any sense of duty or love.
>>723093605nta but he's bipolar and addicted to total war even though it fuels his manic depressive episodes (he confirmed this in the Liberated video)he's literally mentally ill
>>723092448either way it helps CA get off their assas far as grifters grifting grifters go this is the best route for me as a player
>>723074116Fortunately I only bought II from watching his videos, lucked out that I didn't take the plunge to III.
Why is this happen? >the veteran dev who specialized in one genre suddenly can't make AI after 2011 (Shogun 2 was good as I remember)>it just getting worse How? Lost technologies?
>>723093605The dude straight up said that he wanted for TW to do well because it was his livelihood back with the Shadows of Change controversy, so it's not like he's pretending doesn't have an incentive. Legend is probably also on the spectrum, so you have to consider that when accounting for his thought patterns
>>723079413It's a distinction some people don't seem to get.There are history media and "Telly history" media.Total War is in the latter category sitting right besides "Egypt was built by ancient Aliens" shows on Discovery, movies about modern leaders in a dress like Napoleon (really just a diss Trump), and so on.These games are not built on a foundation of the kind of autism that makes Mesoanon or British Museum staff possible. They are built for your fat uncle who saw Shogun on the telly and now wants to, like, order some slanteyes around as a designated waifu explains what the fuck is going around him... you know, the exact Shogun Total War experience (itself building on the popularity of Shogun re-runs).Thrones of Britannia had no movie, Pharaoh had no movie, Three Kingdoms had no movie. Only Troy got that part right, but forgot the audience of these games is too young to have actually seen 2004's Troy, and besides you want to strike the iron while it's hot. Just because there was a popular movie about it ages ago doesn't mean shit unless it's being re-run over and over again.Like, literally, Dune: Total War would be a more fitting "historical" today than anything else. They're not doing it solely because the IP license must cost a fortune and a half.
>>723093919They just fucked up some shit that unexpectedly affected certain factions more than others. Specifically its something to do with unit recruitment and faction resources. They did a whole post on the technical side of WHY it happened.The problem is less that it happened and more that they thought it would be acceptable to delay fixing it for fucking 3-9 months or whatever it was before everyone through a fit over it. It wouldn't have been good it happened, but if CA were a good team they would have said "we're on it, hotfix inbound ASAP" immediately, instead of saying it would be fixed in 7.0 people wouldn't have thrown a fit.
>>723093919tech debt and irresponsible DLC creep on a spaghetti engine is a dangerous combinationthey suddenly found themselves with UI elements working as load-bearing krusty the clown poster for unit formations
>>723094024>Three Kingdoms had no movieIt has movies, TV shows, games and anime based on the most popular piece of literature ever. If you have even a mild interest in asia or at least a weeb you know what that is because dynasty warriors exists.And it was successful with the most players for a TW game, but they fucked up the DLC policy.
>>723079942This could work, it just need a bit more green and nugle-y stuff on it, and the large one needs to be carried by nurglings.
>>723093906III is better than II, way less cheesy
>>723091104>Lizardman AIarguably nothing of value was lost>Tomb Kangzeh, while I like them and their roster they're just sort of boring fights
>>723084830>Skarbrand THAT close to SettraPtra protect us...
>>723080274You're not my mom
>>723084692One is being made right now for attila.
>>723094921Its not playing AS them thats broken.When the AI plays them the don't recruit new units or move or do anything.Which means the entire balance of the regions they exist in becomes completely fucked. Kairos, for example, is left to do basically whatever he wants for 50 turns until he expands and meets Skarbrand, who himself has had the the entire southern part of the continent to himself. Etc etcBasically if you're going for a Long Victory the game suddenly becomes completely fucked because certain factions can just roll over the broken ones who are currently broken. Not to mention if wanted to play in those regions yourself you're facing no one.
>>723094921Yeah it'd be kind of overblown if this was the only thing, neither faction has a large impact on the campaign before turn 150ishNeither of them have a very diplomatic AIBut it's more than that, people are upset that CA keeps doing this and hasn't fixed problems that have existed for years>>723084692Why do people keep saying this? It's outright wrong and has been wrong since 2023
>>723095424That's good though, you get AI worth fightingI wish AI would get that strong without the game being bugged, I miss old Grimgor and Tree Hitler
>>723091253Have faith, the upgraded engine will save us.
>>723094765>It has movies, TV shows, games and anime based on the most popular piece of literature ever.NOT in Bongland. And Burgerland. Or Fritzland.There has never been a massive Hollywood blockbuster or a beloved series that everyone had watched.Unlike Kingdom of Heaven, Gladiator or Master and Commander; those sort of movies which built the "historical" Total War community.
>>723095803Kung Fu Panda
>>723095878>3 Kingdoms series>Anthro animal charactersBoom. Free money. My secretary will send you my consultant fee.
>>723093336Revolution came out in 2024
>>723095749What upgraded engine?
>>723094765What was the problem with the dlc, again? I forgot. Something about ca releasing dlc about people that are super hated in china, or something?
>>723096205The one they're making for 40k. The next generation warscape engine.
>>723095878That's not Three Kingdoms, mate.Kung Fu Panda is part of the kung-fu craze. It's why people accept Monk characters in their RPGs and girls in qipaos in random otherwise western settings.Jackie Chan didn't teach people about magistrates and family registers, or even the most basic outline of Chinese geography to orientate themselves and go "Oh yeah, this is where the Shaolins live! And yonder is Jackie Chan's lot. The tanks didn't decimate any protestors in front of a palace in that city."It's a complete terra incognita with a goulash of unpronouncable names with no value. "Rome" "Athens" "Yanjing" spot the difference.And this same problem applies to Mesoamerica, ancient India, etc. No matter how easy it might be to get into the setting for any actual history nerd (be it uber famous examples like Chinese history or hyper-obscure shit like the history of Central African relations with the Portuguese and interior Africa).
>>723096335First DLC was set in the era after the Three Kingdoms era there the descendants pretty much fucked everything up, which infuriated the Chinks because they wanted to play the legendary Three Kingdoms era the game was supposed to be about instead of the shameful era afterwards. Also, it was generally a retarded idea to move so far into the future with the first DLC when the base game itself had not properly reached the Three Kingdoms period.
>>723096434They're gonna throw a bit of tech debt on it at best. They're no in the business long-term investing like that anymore.
>>723095878ended up being a surprisingly good movie
>>723095749>>723096434They used all the TW money they were mean to use on TW related things like the engine to make Hyenas bro, this is why the game was canceled and TWW3 is such shit state.
>>723096434Right, the engine they're making for another game, a game which hasn't even been confirmed by CA and could well be in development until 2030. How exactly is that going to help Warhammer 3?
>>723096572Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, pretty stupid of them to do that.
I'm not autistic enough to care about any of this. Good for you or sorry this happened!
What other total war games should I play while I wait until they fix this shit showPharaoh or Troy?I've grown so used to Warhammer 3's map that I can't for the life of me go back to 2
>>723096967shogun 1medieval 1
>>723096967Nippon one
>>723096967Troy was free on EGS so that if you have it.If not, you might as well buy Pharaoh Dynasties. It has all the features of Troy but slightly more faction variety since there are 5 culture groups instead of just 3. The strategic map is much more interesting and the diplomacy and dynasty mechanics are a little bit more fleshed out. The downside is, because it's based on the Bronze Age, you will not be fighting units of different cultures unless you play as Sea Peoples or the Canaanites. And those two factions are weak.
>>723044345>steamies using their reviews as a weapon against an update they're dissatisfied withAlways funny
>>723096897Beats me.
>>723096751That was segas money.CA does have the funds and the devs, what the fuck are they doing with them? That's the question nobody can answer.
Warhammer 3 has been fucked up since launch. They really need to go back and start fixing foundational issues that are making it worse than WH2.
>>723096967I'd buy and play Troy Mythos in a heartbeat if it wasn't more than 50$
Honestly, I'm surprised anyone played any Total War game after Rome 2 released and took 2 years to become playable as the devs worked overtime to add the basic features that they spent the development cycle telling players that they were wrong in wanting said features. It's fucking crazy to me that anyone still engages with them after they tripled down on Hyenas, which only got pulled because SEGA rug pulled them.
>>723096967Medieval 2, Shogun 2 and RTW are good.>>723097074Despite me agreeing with Volound about practically all his points about the Warhammer games, in practice my enjoyment of them hasn't really changed from before I watched his videos. All that's really changed for me is that I tried Medieval 2 and enjoyed that game, and I gained a greater appreciation for Shogun 2. Maybe it's because I'm not a obsessed turbo autist like he is.
>>723096335Yeah, first it was that >>723096572 Moving the timeframe like 100 years forward when all the notable characters of the period are already dead so you ended up with very limited amount of unique characters and it didn't really build upon the base game.After that their main idea was "chapter packs", that is alternative start dates and while those were within the main period they still underperformed because if I can play Cao Cao in base game start why would I play him in a 10 year later start with the exact same mechanics but instead I'm starting with more land and shitty tech picks, basically cheating myself out of the fun of early game.Mandate of Heaven is another short campaign about the yellow turban rebellion but it doesn't bring much else itself. World Betrayed is really the only one that has factions not playable in other starts with Sun Ce and Lu Bu being their own factions with unique mechanics. The last DLC made Fates Divided adds literally nothing you can't do in the base start. I mean they updated the factions involved but you don't actually have to buy the DLC so nobody did.The game had only one real faction pack with the nanman expansion and we were supposed to get northern nomads culture before support for the game was abruptly cut and it never happened.
>>723097074Those games are memes that are pretty much unplayable now and completely irrelevant to discourse about the series, I don't get why some autists are trying to make it a thing.
I gave up on Total War when I realized they were never gonna bother improving or fixing any of their games. I'm fine spending hundreds of dollars on something if the company is at least competent but if they're not you're just throwing money away for no reason
>>723097835Paying 20-30 buxx for a game that is just "okay" isn't the end of the world, bruh..
>>723073053>we wuz kangzWhitest black I've ever seen.
I’ve only really payed attention to the disastrous launch and then this. Was there ever a point where twwh3 was in a good state?
>>723096434I want to believe new engine is what took all the resources but I doubt it.
>>723044345Warhammer was always tranny shit
>>723044345I am not a zoomer, why should I care about some subhuman streamer?
>>723092225Pharaoh/Dynasties lets you speedrun region tiers by workforce/gold injection.>Check what your faction's initial resource specialty is.>Find faction that values it with helpful little drop-tab in diplomacy.>Trade excess resources for gold.>Save workforce exclusively for building region tiers and drop gold to instantly complete construction.>Acquire tier 4/5 units in ten turns.Alternatively, you can just bribe whatever military general position your faction has at court and get tier 5 units by turn 2.
>>723100789You shouldn't.
>>723084240lmao
Bump
Will we ever see factions that start with ginormous number of settlements and you need to survive like in Attila or are we only gonna see 1 settlement bullshittery (except Arkhan for some reason who starts with 2)
>>723100323Admittedly Ramses looked a bit kang in some of the art because they gave him big lips and he's darker than some other characters, but people have really overblown that one.
>>7230984073k was a failure of DLC. The chapter shit was likely wanting to nickle and dime, when the smart move will have been to do:>Nanban>Northern Barbarians>KoreaThen 9 princes, or rise of the Han, ect. 9 princes was just pointless because it's like having Rome 2 then doing your first big DLC as the 3rd century crisis or something.>>723096967Troy if you want mythos mode, otherwise I'm not sure why you'd go Troy over Pharaoh. >>723094024Right, it's pop cultural history. The other problem with Pharaoh is that people love the Egyptian aesthetic, not the Egyptian meat. Nobody likes to fantasize about Egyptian warfare - it's Pyramids, catgirls, the nile, city builders, egyptian gods, pyramids, more catgirls, more jackal girls. I'd always see people talking about wanting Babylonia or Elam and as someone who is British Museum staff autist level I'm just here going"Do you know anything about their military? Because if you have info for Elam I'm all ears because we got JACK FUCKING SHIT" [not quite, but just about]
>>723097235Sega owns CA. Sega's money is CA's money. And it being so fucking bad is reflecting on CA.
>>723078210
>>723078425>Saying CA is shit is accurate, but believing it’s because they don’t have banners or unit reload animations makes you a fucking idiot>Document countless instances of CA having lazy coding, including instances where the AI is straight up trash>Later it finally culminates with them straight up breaking the ai on several factions>"UMMMM SWEATY ACTUALLY THAT DOESN'T COUNT OKAY???"We get it, this dude raped your mom and your dad, no need to tell us
>>723103887Chinks are a funny market, they are the biggest paypigs ever, but if you don't give them what they want they will curse you for 7 generations. I don't think CA was ready for it and just assumed the audience will buy whatever slop out of brand loyalty like warhammerbabies.
>>723081541You are talking about a group of people whose beliefs are indistinguishable from satire.
I think the main issue is that Total Warhammer 2 was so good there was no way the third game would be anything but disappointing.
>>723107238The problem is they didn’t take any of the good progress made in 2 and used a shit version as a base for 3.
>>723084730Old world is awesome but the turn timer kills me. I heard there was an old world 'classic' version that trims a bunch of the very outer reaches and condenses it down so turns are much faster. IEE is awesome. Slightly slower turns but not enough to be annoying. Plus the new areas look fantastic
I refuse to pay 300+ dollars for a game.
>>723107238Ranged units in 2 were too OP in the hands of the player so they fixed it by making them completely retarded in 3 with by reintroducing the refusing to fire bug like 4 times.
>>723108086This is another issue of milking your existing audience that much. The game becomes impossible to get into for new players and that's probably hurting it's potential.
>>723105540why are the gooks mad?
>>723107729There's an option in the mod menu to cull minor factions that are far away from your start position. It works wonders for turn times and the major factions will just expand into those empty ruins at the same rate as they would have been wiping those factions in the first place, so it doesn't affect your campaign at all (unless you're playing a teleporting lord like Arbaal, or Wood Elves in general). I highly recommend it.
>>723051938this but unironically, Precolonial and even colonial Indian history are a perfect setting for a total war game>competing religions>dozens of princely states>crazy weapons and tactics>vast and geographically diverse, yet regionally isolated map>no naval warfare (I like naval warfare but CA clearly doesn't)>the British (and/or the Portuguese)
>>723111021It would be a good setting for a TW game, but it would probably still underperform because "historicals" would reeee that jeets are not the medieval knights they wanted.
>>723044471FPBP absolutely annihilated the subversive detractors. HEIL CREATIVE ASSEMBLY
>>723110591Ooh neat. I'll try that next time.
>>723103887>3k was a failure of DLC.I'm still so mad that 3K got fucking nothing. Every time anons post banger ideas and then I'm reminded of the reality where we got nothing
>>723112721I heard they did some DLC that didn't even add to the base game right? Separate mini campaigns like WH1 and rise of the Samurai? I hated that shit.
Small family company, please understand
>>723107238That game really needed one more patch, though
>>723112905Sort of, they went all in on alternative start dates. 2 of those are effectively mini-campaigns because they are much shorter victory conditions and other 2 are just the grand campaign but with slightly different starting conditions and add pretty much jack shit. There was only one faction pack for jungle spearchuckers.Alternative/Mini campaigns were pretty much never popular in any TW games so I really go understand why they were thinking with that strategy.Admittedly the game did get updates in accompanying patches and none of the new mechanics were paywalled, which is a good thing but it meant there's even less reason to buy the DLCs if you can get everything in grand campaign anyway.
>>723112721I legit don't understand why they cancelled it. The logic some anon pointed out is they were banking on either Cathay in WH3 or if GW said no Cathay then they'd stick with 3kTW. Their claim of doing so to focus on 3kTW2 is HOPEFULLY bullshit, because 3kTW2 as the next historical would be awful. But they could have barely needed much money to crank out some Northern Nomads and Korea DLC and people would have bought it.>>723111021Precolonial and I'd say no, but early colonial works with the Gooses. The better move is to have the 2nd or 3rd in a pike and shot series be a total war that covers the Americas (Latin that is + Flordia) sub-saharan Africa, India. Include Iran/central asia but dont' go further than the mediterranean or thereabouts. Start around 1507 or so. You get Spanish conquest of Aztecs and Inca, Portuguese adventures abroad in Africa, Brazil and India, Babur's conquest of India, the Ottoman-safavid wars, ottoman-mamluk wars. Two europeans active on the map let you have a hook for the european-only kind of player.
>>723080274I just want to live out my fantasy of killing and enslaving niggers, jeets and American Indians.
>>723110214almost certainly for the same reason of shit being broken and messing up the behavior of functioning shit as a resultthey just are more active in recent reviews.
>>723113972just do it in real life
does anyone know if the SFO or grimhammer overhaul fixes the broken AI issues?I was looking to play with it anyways
>>723044345>COOKEDfrfr skibidi ongod ohio?
>>723113848As far as the rumours go 3K2 was cancelled early on, or effectively they never really seriously started making it, and isn't the next TW game. To this day I don't get why they did it. They could have just did a few patches and quietly dropped it, instead of making a big deal out of it and jumping the gun to announce the game that probably wouldn't come out for years anyway. Maybe it was a last ditch attempt to get their project funded by going rogue and talking about it in public, thinking maybe the company wouldn't want to back out, I dunno.Soon before the cancelation they still talked about next expansion so it must have been a higher up decision so I am also leaning into the theory they were ordered to kill it to try to funnel players into warhammer.
>>723044345Oh noes a jewtuber is angry
I have almost all DLCs and only play Empire/Dwarfs
>>723113848Because 3K didn't continue making the morbillion dollars that CA management wanted, and the resources to continue supporting it could be used elsewhere. Most likely pulled to Hyenas development. But also it is difficult to adequately convey the amount of technical debt the current TW engine has, and trying to modifying it further to do the sorts of things they wanted for 3K is out of their reach. 3K2 isn't coming either since it was very clearly just a means to try and placate the current dissent at the time. Even if it maybe was a real idea at the time it is most certainly dead now given how things have unfolded with CA management.
>>723115336>3K2 isn't coming either since it was very clearly just a means to try and placate the current dissent at the time. Even if it maybe was a real idea at the time it is most certainly dead now given how things have unfolded with CA management.Rumours say it didn't get very far and got cancelled soon after the announcement. I think this might have also been something for internal politics. Placate not just audience dissent but team. Maybe they genuinely believed that they are going to make a sequel at the time, while the management knew they were not going to fund it and stripped the team for resources withing a few months.
It feels like the best thing a time traveler from CA could do is stop Hyena's from ever happening.
>>723116226No the best thing a time traveller could do is still get Emperor Hadrian to properly finish the job he started.
>>723114407I'm too stupid, lazy, weak, and cowardly. Why do you think i play video games, anon?
Literally the only issue with TWH3 is that the ai is fucking braindead but they refuse to take the time to rework it to actually make sense and be fair.
I think people have just gotten tired of the dogshit 20 year old AI in total war games.
>>723044471Right on!We need to keep spending SPENDING SPENDING no matter how buggy, brainded, and broken the game's ai may be. SPENDBUYCONSUME
Why did no one throw this big of a bitchfit over beastmen and dark elves being fucking broken as they have been forever and not using any of their mechanics.
>>723119419has it never been reported to the devs?
>>723118794There is no solution that is going to please everyone. There are a number of core design flaws in vanilla that really prevent the game from being what the majority seem to expect. Perfect example is the complaints about too many siege battles despite it arguably supposed to be working that way as you generally do more settlement battles than catching enemies in open fields. The reason for this is due to a lack of roaming armies, and because the map is too small so you end up settlement hopping. Playing on The Old World map highlights that problem perfectly since it is a massively open map where you will generally need multiple turns to get from settlement to settlement so you are far more likely to actually have open field fights. And the lack of roaming stacks is a result of poorly thought out stack upkeep mechanics that have to be artificially programmed into the AI, which is just cheats around anyway. But as shown long ago you starting cutting down upkeep costs and having it all play by those rules then a lot more stacks can be roaming around and it then just comes down to composition issues. My point however is that the game is fundamentally flawed because a lot of core assumptions were written by people who don't actually understand what makes the TW formula engaging.
How come some people have a bigger issue over people complaining about something broken, than complaining about the broken product?
>>723044345>Bellend of Total BoreNobody cares.
Will WH3 die before Thanquol gets added? That's all I care about
>>723086117Soft agree, because it's fun to do the autistic map painting co-op.
>>723044345Chadtek won.
>>723121015Sadly there is a distinct possibility that will happen. Despite there being clear demand for more DLC and the DLC still selling despite the price hikes and other weird decisions around its development for whatever reason it just doesn't seem to be good enough for CA management. This is also excluding any sort of potential need for licensing renewal from GW that might be involved. Any sane company would have been gunning for 3-4 DLCs a year for a title like this that was still printing money.
>>723116226It was basically inevitable given the kind of management CA had. It was a product when like every AAA studio had some shitty live service in the making, but it took so long to develop that all of the trends it was chasing were completely irrelevant by the time it could have come out.
>>723121015No, but expect him in 2027 in last dlc
>>723044345>his entire understanding of the game is based on cheesing the AIyeah, no shit. He can fuck off. We're not an e-faggot board
>>723123813define cheese
>>723044345>This side is led by Loremaster of Basedtek.fixed
>>723044345Got bored with this series somewhere between Bretonnia and Norsca. No idea how some people would buy the same thing 3 times + a million cut content
>>723124007You used single model units
>>723116536BASED
>>723044345the problem total war warhammer have is that the full experience cost 250$unless you pirate in the future ppl would be fine with paying 70 $ for base + all future dlc
>>723123813CA is so dogshit at designing fair AI, both in stats and behaviour that not only do they make their AI as Anti Player as it can, they also "fixed" a bug by blocks of units not auto engaging in melee(that means that a block of 120 spearmen would only have the first row of like 15 people fighting, as the rest would just stand around idle) they fixed that bug by having the AI spam attack commands on the humans units to actually move the entire squad.now what taht so called "bugfix" instead created is as ABSURD difficulty in actually diengaging and getting your units out of moshpits or engagements, because ordering your muskets to just move back after being engaged causes the muskets to mvoe half a meter, to then AUTO ENGAGE the orcs once again because the orcs blob of 120 fuckers is spamming attack commands on them, so the baseline move command you gave your units is drowned in the AI's relentless attack command spam on you.to actually get a unit out of melee, or moshpots, you have to SPAMCLICK YOURSELF, to actually get your unit to move away from the engaging enemies. and you have to dedicate a good 5 seconds or maybe even 10 seconds to do that, in a game where the AI is outmoving you at every turn, because it has infinite micro, a human has limited actions it can take.this is just ONE BUG and ONE SO CALLED "FIX" that CA is known for.in the warhammer 2 days, where the AI stat multipliers where INSANE on legendeary difficulty, ontop of no pause being enabled for you to issue orders to keep up with the AI running circles around you, it was unplayable.so you had to cheese, now sit down shill.
>>723044345>warhammer devs are finished No. I don't think they are.>>723045101Its still a great game you retarded sperg.
>>723124007a featherless biped
It was over the minute they refused to call it Total Warhammer
>>723044345Never bought II and III. I do not care.
>>723125946Neither company would be ok with that sort of brand dilution unfortunately. We can't have nice things.
>>723125946But it's a total war game set in the warhammer universe and that is how every other game in the series is namedTotal War: Warhammer
>>723124007>Cheese Using game mechanics as per developer intention but doing it to such an extreme or exaggerated fashion which the devs might have overlooked.>ExploitAbusing game mechanics or bugs in a way the devs most definitely did not intend for
>>723126597Would be hilarious if GW turned around and made a 'historical' tabletop game called 'Warhammer: Total War', with kits composed of the various factions across the TW games. Hell do that at Warmaster scale and it probably would be a viable product.
>>723127023>won't somebody think of the poor deverinos
>>723125447>so you had to cheeseNTA but there's a difference between the normal cheese strats most players used like corner camping with OP ranged units, and the sort of absurd, unfun bullshit Legend did like running a unit back and forth for 20 minutes wasting all the AI's ammo
>>723078832By FAR the funniest thing in this image is the Spider Rider nerf. Literally no one uses that unit, because it's absolute ass, yet they nerfed it anyway because some MPnigger got assraped by them in SP.
>>723125491>Its still a great game you retarded sperg.You're not prepared to accept you are wrong because you've sunk so many good goy bux into DLC and getting a retard to admit they've been swindled is 100x harder than just swindling him, but for the casual viewer who might not know just how bad TWW is;>Single-model units might as well be invincible; most game tactics revolve around microing them to try to trick ranged units into missing their shots, because any unit that isn't ranged will simply get demolished by single model units, even units they are ostensibly supposed to counter>The AI is rancid dogshit; even prior to CA straight up breaking the AI for several factions, it's horrendously stupid and offers little to no challenge once you understand how to break it>Every faction just comes with a gimmick that rarely fundamentally changes how you play the game, because units rarely have any particularly abilities that change how they interact with the game. Spearmanni are spearmanni no matter how many campaign level gimmicks you throw at a faction>Firearms are literally just coded as archers with slightly faster projectiles>Decades of tech debt that CA outright refuses to fix because they know their retarded paypig fanbase (like the poster I am talking to) will swallow whatever shitty DLC they shit out, so why bother fixing technical problems instead of making New DLC Thing?I got some fun hours out of it but anyone who approves of this company, their game, or their practices is a good goy of the highest order
>>723127023>uses simple crossfire tactics with ranged unitsBehold, a cheese
>>723127186>>won't somebody think of the poor deverinosThe devs could have solved the most infamous cheese (wasting the AI's arrows) by just implementing arrow shots in a better way.The arrows travel way too slowly and the archers are way too competent at hitting moving targets (they compensate for your units moving by overshooting) like they're all fucking Legolas. Ironically the player can abuse this archer competency by just moving in a different direction once the arrows are loosed.If not every archer was bang on the money with their shots (like in RTW) it would be harder to dodge as well.
>>723127539yes they could've, but they didn'tjust like they didn't give every AI unit 200 ma/md which would make using melee infantry useless, that doesn't mean your line of melee infantry is cheese
>>723127410Hi Volound
>>723044345Ngl this sounds mad gay, fantasissies should pipe dawn and face the fact that nobody give a shit about this tranny ahh coded game, its time for us 40k chads to rise up
>>723127676>If you recognize blisteringly obvious gameplay faults, you're poopdickschizo
>>723127676They will call him Volound, but they will never call him wrong.
>>723127806there's a guy on /twg/ like that, he thinks there's a single guy in the general anytime someone posts something that is even tangentially related to legendoftotalwarhe accused me one day and then i didnt go to the general for like 6 months and the first time i came back he was accusing someone else KEK
Volound is pretty based ngl desu
>>723128051>he accused me one day and then i didnt go to the general for like 6 monthsKWAB
>>723127641>that doesn't mean your line of melee infantry is cheeseI think it's heavily implied that by cheesing you're trying to give yourself an advantage. Deliberately using bad unit types in a game that heavily punishes you for it (e.g. melee infantry in WH1/WH2) is the opposite of cheese. Cheesing WH1 actually became so common that they coined a word for not cheesing: chalking.
>>723121830They're not going to support the game forever. The calculus is one of:>Do we use our devs on this aged, old thing to get DLC>or do we put them on a new project - which either will be 40k and will make far more money and be better use of the manpower, or will not be 40k/sigmar and thus will make us money because we owe no licensing feesWhile anons can be right to have predicted TOB or Pharaoh being a bad idea, that doesn't mean they are always savvy businessmen and it's very easy to see why continuing to waste manpower on an old game you've gotten most juice from the squeeze of would be a mistake. Aside of using some ghost staff to work on the final bits. It's less 40k at this point and more just being a GWfan that causes this singleminded preoccupation with people where they think they are the only scene in town. Will 40kTW sell well? yeah, I think so. I also thought that a multiplayer space marine vs space marine game would be very successful. It wasn't and it died real quick. I also thought DOW3 would be successful, it wasn't. >>723115336I buy the aformentioned idea of "Either we get Cathay or we double down on an Asian total war". They got cathay, so it became unnecessary.
>>723128114I'm relatively sure the two events aren't directly connected ESL-kun, they merely provide context that elaborates on the punchline of the story.
>>723128114i didnt like omens of destruction and i travel for work so i took an extended breakhttps://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/text/legendfaga QRD
>>723128342To be fair, /twg/ talks about Legend, like, A LOT.
>>723060947>Game caters to trannies>"Join the ACK"lmao
>>723128389Which makes it all the more schizophrenic to attribute all mentions of him to a single person, which was sort of the point here.
>>723128227No one is expecting ongoing support forever, but when you have a viable product that is still in high demand with at least 2 years or more potential content that can be wrung from it then it doesn't make sense to strangle that product. Especially when it is your only current profitable product with ongoing support at the moment. The hardest part of business is usually finding a viable product that people want, and that part is already taken care of and minimised a lot of the usual risk involved.
>>723128115you've got it back to front, if wasting ammo is cheese because the AI units could be changed to use missiles better, then by that logic using melee infantry is cheese because they could be changed to have 200 ma/md
>>723127410>Single-model units might as well be invincibleThey get gaped by ranged fire and certain spells. They're also weak to being surrounded and hit in the back, which is why units like the pre-buff Frost Wyrm were so utterly shit.>Spearmanni are spearmanniPlenty of mould breaking units exist, for example Chorf artillery is all single entity meaning each shot hits harder and the unit doesn't lose models but the faction also loses artillery duels really badly. There's also plenty of units whose animations or abilities completely change how they function, for example a Carnosaur is almost impossible to trap in melee because of its animations while a Tomb Scorpion will dodge ranged fire while burrowing, whereas abilities like Cathay's Ying and Yang system force players to use combined arms tactics if they want to actually win battles.>Firearms are literally just coded as archersNo, they have direct fire. Their projectiles don't arc like arrows do, and the units tend to have much more knockdown and armor pen on their shots. There's subtypes of gunpowder units that change even more, a unit of blunderbusses, for example, plays completely different to a unit of crossbows and will typically stunlock large amounts of the enemy they're shooting at. But slight hills or allies can completely block gunpowder units from firing.>>723128026He's wrong.IDK if this anon is actually Volound, but to be clear Volound doesn't actually play Warhammer and is just outright incorrect about almost everything he says about it. Like saying there's no reload animations (there are) or saying that map modding is impossible (it's not).
>>723128816>They get gaped by ranged fireYou literally stopped reading because that is addressed not even a few words later.Didn't read the rest of this paypig cope. Buy more DLC, maybe CA will deign to fix your game, lmao.
>>723128904>They're also weak to being surrounded and hit in the back, which is why units like the pre-buff Frost Wyrm were so utterly shit.Read, anon, read.
>>723128709The problem is the demand is still going to be there in 2 years. It's an endless oneupmanship where the most recent update is going to make people look to content that was up to date previously and clamor for more. High elves getting an update means the dark elves want one (So to speak). Dark elves getting an update means the skaven and lizardmen want one. They get an update and now orcs need one. There are some factions that well and truly do need the update (Vampire cunts), but the game has to end at some point and I have to be honest that I don't agree with your first remark of "No one is expecting ongoing support forever"I joked that WHF fans wanted total war to go:>Total Warhammer 1/2/3>Total Warhammer: The Old World>Total Warhammer: The Rise of Sigmar>Total Warhammer: The War of the Beardby which time they'll start wanting Total Warhammer 1B, a remake of the original. And then the cycle to continue. Except it's not a joke at this point. If you ask WHF fans they will actually be receptive and like this idea.
>>723052196But if look like gonna money why dog it down?
>>723129053>If you ask a person who likes cake whether they want more cake they say yescope and seethe histroon
>>723129053Such demand is any reasonable business's dream. Why would they not want people's money when it is there for the taking?
>>723129053If players didn't enjoy Warhammer, this current shitstorm would have already petered out.
>>723128795I didn't mention anywhere that the problem lies in how the AI uses their missile troops. The problems lie in the physics of the arrows themselves and how competent the models themselves are at nailing their shots. They already did one AI update where the AI player will stop targetting small single entities with their archers but that doesn't address the core issue.
>last played when the warden and the paunch came outSounds like I made the right choice
>>723129053(Samefag) and again it's a case of triaging your manpower. We'd have to crunch numbers for DLC sales, my understanding is the empire's DLC sold spectacularly but others were more adequate/acceptable rather than gangbusters. But they presumably are going to do a calculus of how much money-vs-manpower to keep belting out lower price DLC with licensing fees (assuming it wasn't an up front cost and instead percentage to GW) versus a full price game with more DLC they can sell that either >(A) has no licensing fees = Medieval 3or>(B) has a licensing fee but will make even more than Warhammer Fantasy DLC for less popular races = 40k.Someone could counter this is giving CA more benefit of the doubt to brainpower, but I don't trust the rationality of anons who clearly are deeply biased to want said content and then mentally justify why it's a good idea. I would buy an Ind DLC, I'd buy a Rise of Sigmar with a lot of innovation and creativity with the barbaric tribes (GW would not give permission for this), I'll buy ToT maybe sans Norsca because lol, I'll buy a Vampire cunt DLC. But a real bad habit on 4chan and in general is people going "I like X, therefore I am going to make logic and reality all conveniently 100% support my X".>>723129204See above. And see that WarhammerTW is dying. You ain't getting fucking cake. You might get Age of Sigmar though, so enjoy that.>>723129270Because they have to pay GW for the license, because WHF players are not as numerous as they think and not least they're not nearly as numerous for some much more niche factions than the Empire, Dwarves, High elves, Cathay.
>>723127410How could you be so objectively wrong? I couldn't have made a shittier post if i tried LOL.>>723128816Utterly btfo
>>723129638>>723128816Embarrassingly blatant samefaggotry.
>>723129675meds
>>723129740>He said, chortling himself as he closed his iPhone internet browser; "Heh... they'll never be any the wiser......"I don't know who you think you're fooling here but consider uninstalling life.
>>723129638It's because anons who post shit like that literally do not play the game. They get their opinions from ecelebs and /v/, i.e other people who also do not play the game.>>723129675Ok retard.
>>723129427Players still enjoy TF2. Why doesn't valve just keep belting out DLC for that?Players still enjoy old CODs. Why don't they just keep doing DLC drops for older COD/Bloops?Players still enjoy Red Dead Redemption 2 - why isn't Rockstar doing more DLC for that?You see where I am going.There's something pathologically wrong with you Warhammer fantasy fans, like you guys got so utterly assblasted from end times you scream and holler and thrash when facing another end. Like I said with that WHF fan joke. It's not a joke, and it's not that >No one is expecting ongoing support foreverNo, you guys really fucking do expect support forever. You do expect that this is now Total Warhammer forever. Enjoy Sigmarines, and enjoy space marines stomping over your IP and killing it yet again.
>>723129858>It's because anons who post shit like that literally do not play the game.Yeah, probably because they decided it was shit for the reasons mentioned and decided to play another game instead.
>>723129531Look at CA's historical profit reports. The TWW IP has been the sole driver of their profits outside of 3K's launch. The demand for new TWW content is demonstrate able, and also has the ability to cross sell the older base games and DLC anytime something new is released. Not servicing the demand is money left on the table which is quantitatively stupid for a company that just had a massive public failure to launch that will go down in the history books. Your schizo argument makes no sense from a potential ROI perspective.
>>723129818Oh yeah that screencap i made in .5 seconds is actually samefaggotry. Not the far more likely fact that its just two different people. Take your meds anon.
>>723129858>It's because anons who post shit like that literally do not play the gameCope.
>>723129995>100 hrsHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
>>723129995>103.8 hoursBruh really thinks that is something in a TW thread
>>723130023>>723130131>You didn't play the game>Okay you did play the game but you didn't play it enough>Okay you played it enough so obviously the game wasn't shit because otherwise you wouldn't have played it so muchThe flow charts that comprise these NPCs' minds would make me laugh if it weren't for the fact that you are legally considered a human being with rights.
>>723129898>TF2They do. There's more cosmetics and maps added every year.>Red Dead Redemption 2Because Rockstar tried and failed to copy the success of GTA Online with RDR2, and when it wasn't profitable compared to GTA Online they dropped it. Shark Cards killed RDR2.Also, none of this is related to the point I was trying to make, which is that people don't kick up shitstorms about games they don't care about. If nobody wanted more good Warhammer, nobody would care about the bad updates. When was the last time you thought about something like Concord?>>723129917The reasons mentioned are just outright wrong.>>723129995>>723130159>100 hoursI have 15 times that in Warhammer 3 alone.
>>723130159You are legit mentally retarded dude. I don't know what else to say.
>>723130214Please be nice to him, he only has 100 hours in the game. He doesn't really know any better.
>>723128795>if wasting ammo is cheese because the AI units could be changed to use missiles better, then by that logic using melee infantry is cheese because they could be changed to have 200 ma/md??? Wasting ammo is currently a cheese strat because it works. Yes, if melee infantry was good you'd be cheesing the game if you recruited nothing but infantry but that's not where the game's at so what the fuck are you talking about retard-kun? The reason wasting arrows is cheese is because the game and real life projectile physics quite clearly would allow for a person in theory to try and dodge an arrow by moving fast. And why is wasting an entire contingent of archers' arrows cheese while trying to dodge an arrow not cheese? Because anyone in their right mind (including the devs) could take 1 look at a clip of someone doing that and their only reasonable response would have to be >well that guy is gonna get torn to piecesThat's the reason why the tactic is cheese in TWWH and not cheese in RTW/Med2. Because the guy got torn to fucking pieces in the latter.
>>723130214As mentioned way back in >>723127410,>You're not prepared to accept you are wrong because you've sunk so many good goy bux into DLC and getting a retard to admit they've been swindled is 100x harder than just swindling himYou're just a retarded NPC who was never prepared to accept that you are wrong. You literally shifted from one cope to another, just like >>723130159 said. If I had posted 5k hours, you would have just claimed that my opinion still wasn't valid because I had played too much. There's no winning with cultists like you.Jews are right about goyim.
>>723130373Thats not me you mentally ill sperg.
>>723130398>T-totally random anon here, bro!I believe you.
>>723130373Your opinion isn't valid because you thought >>723127410 was correct, and it just isn't. The fact that you're trying to pass off having only 100 hours as giving you some sort of authority just makes you pathetic.
>>723129951>The TWW IP has been the sole driver of their profits outside of 3K's launch.Outside of the big feature length total war release that made more than WH3 Total Warhammer has been leading profitability for a period that saw a game that was entirely bankrolled by Epic to be given away for free (Troy) and a blunder (Pharaoh).So one release that sucked, and one release that was paid for in full by Epic and was given away for free with millions of downloads (Not likely to be millions of sales had it released proper, but it demonstrates Epic gave the big bux for the deal). Of fucking course it drove profit. And they've decided to diversify their portfolio instead of just doing warhammer fantasy cake for warhammer fantasy fans forever and ever. Warhammer fantasy was profitable for them, it was a success, and it's time is over. >>723130207Fair point to TF2, but with RDR2 that demonstrates they've calculated their future project is going to be more profitable or more worthwhile than life support for a 10 year old game. As for shitstorms that's what passionate fans do, and there's clearly passion for Warhammer fantasy. That doesn't mean you need or should hitch yourself to that horse forever or that such passion is a guarantee of success for future products. There's a litany of cases where passionate fans became rabidly hostile and rejected overtures. Better to diversity your audience and get more cash cows from 40k. Like my point earlier - WHF fans unironically want support forever. They can't conceive of the idea of ToT and then one or two more DLCs and then leaving it behind to focus on something new. They think that they alone are the most profitable source and with that bias go "Nobody'll wanna be 40k or medieval" ignoring that 3kTW sold better than WH1 and WH2 did. >But that was the Chinese fansSo in other words there are bigger markets than just warhammer fantasy fans.
>>723130421Ok then. Next dogshit argument.>There's no winning with cultists like you.This is my first total war game. I only have 500 hours. I'm not even that bought into the franchise yet. Your next cope?
>>723130480>The fact that you're trying to pass off having only 100 hours as giving you some sort of authorityLiterally your headcanon. It was in response to the accusation that I had never played the game.You were wrong, so you shifted to another cope, as is typical of corporate cultists. It's neverending.Whatever bro, enjoy your shit game, and remember to buy the new DLC so CA will think about fixing year old bugs already, lmao.
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>>723130507It is probably a good idea that you never run a business anon.
>>723130562>Whatever broThe last breath of the anon with no argument.
>>723130990There's no argument. Your game is objectively shit, that's why it has literal year old gamebreaking bugs, lol.
>>723127410Those points don't even touch on the main flaws of anything Rome 2 or post Rome 2. The main issue is that battles have devolved to a giant value check. You need units that push out a lot of value (damage) and nothing else matters any more. Morale has been disengaged from the game so what was once a game of positioning and taking good engagement, hammer & anvil tactics and putting different troop types in their comfort zones to get a miracle victory is no longer possible. The only miracle victories that happen in WH are on the backs of wizards. That's why 90% of battles are auto-resolved in WH. The battle is fought at the unit card stage rather than on the battlefield.
>>723131057You're right you don't have an argument. So why'd you reply again?
>>723131119To laugh at cultists who have made a million dollar corporation's game into their entire personality.
>>723131164Already dismissed >>723130534Anything else retard?
>>723131235Why would you make a million dollar corporation's game into your entire personality after only playing it for 500 hours, assuming you're not lying to me? Very weird stuff, Anon.
>>723131276Oh so nothing else then. How boring.
>>723131331I mean, you've literally spent ~20 posts vehemently defending CA's terrible game here, presumably for no compensation, literally free of charge, zero credit required, no down payment necessary, all expenses paid. If it's not your entire personality, you really need to find another part of your personality to start focusing on.
