>"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to stay connected; it's called Xbox 360" This is the moment that doomed the Xbox brand.
>me when xbox dies
>"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to stay connected on dial-up; it's called the Sega Saturn!"This is the moment that doomed the Sega brand.
>>723090984What sealed the deal was PlayStation becoming “cool” and trendy in NA, which was Xbox’s home turf.
>>723090984it knocked them down hard but it's not like phil did anything to improve things over the years
>>723091401PS4 ran games better than Xbone every time. Thats mainly why Xbox lost. It was the reverse with 360 vs PS3 where 360 ran games better every time. Xbox Series X only sometimes runs games better but a lot of the time it loses to PS5 because its not using DirectX12.
>>723090984One of the biggest industry mistakes in the history of video games. This guy did nothing but mouth piece corpo agenda.
What is truly fucking mind boggling about this comment is that this wasn't even right after the Xbox One reveal, this was several days afterwards. When the negative outcry was being heard far and wide and people were literally saying they were getting a PS4 instead, there was plenty of time to adjust the message; instead of damage controlling and trying to do some PR, he literally just doubles down.
PS4 was cheaper, had good exclusive games, didn't requite an internet connection and still was allowing people to buy/trade physical games. Xbox had none of those. Only cultist would choose an inferior product.
>>723091401>>723091569The PS4 mogging was just brutal>Slightly more powerful>No used games DRM always online bullshit>Showed more exciting games, people lost their minds over Destiny>A fucking HUNDRED dollars cheaperIt wasn't just Xbox making all the wrong moves, Sony was doing all the right moves with the PS4 too
>>723090984>pushed for always online and digital only and was laughed atYet that's the current gaming scene.
Better then phil spencer did these last 15 years, love ya don.
>>723091401Xbox never had a home turf. NA was simply able to afford all the consoles given to them while EU and others are poor and had to choose. Playstation and Xbox were both equally popular. In the end, Playstation won.
>>723090984>they only lasted 15 years after this!
>>723090984>ableSubtle attempt at narrative control.
>>723091931Also the whole forced kinect shit.
>>723091931PS4 was much more powerful as is PS5, unified GDDR5 was massive with ps4, xbox shitries have a split ram pool as well of slower ram.
>>723092034Xbox destroyed PlayStation in terms of popularity during the 7th gen. Then in the 8th gen, they flushed all the good will they’d built up with the 360 down the toilet, handing Sony an easy win with the PS4 and 5.
>>723091401The PlayStation was seen as cool because negroes loved it and American culture worships them for some reason.
>>723091430>it knocked them down hard but it's not like phil did anything to improve things over the yearsThis, if Phil had actually "brought the games" like he said he would, Xbox could have recovered.Reminder that they had the guy who created Devil May Cry, Resident Evil 2 and Bayonettta to make his dream game of an ARPG where you have your own dragon companion and they somehow fucked that up.
>>723092094Microsoft prints money. If Xbox were under any other company, the Xbone would've been the last console ever produced under the Xbox brand.
>>723092263The Xbox 360 lost in the 7th gen dumbo the PS3 outsold it. To be fair though, the Xbox 360 was their best console and went head to head with the PS3. Something they haven't been able to do since.
Yet it's okay when Nintendo does it...
>>723091401If only PS4 success rubbed off on Vita. Jesus what a disaster Sony did.
>>723092417That was later in the gen when Xbox decided copying the Wii was a better move than continuing on the track they were headed down in the early years of the 360.
>>723092529Nintendo did it after it became commonplace
>>723092417The PS3 had a very bad start, which allowed the 360 to take the lead. It eventually levelled out, and the PS3 admittedly has a bigger cult following now than the 360, but you have to remember that for a good few years, the PS3 was shat on mercilessly. I think it only turned around for them when they did a rebrand and changed the PS3 font while releasing the slim version.
>>723092417>The Xbox 360 lost in the 7th genLets not pretend like the 360 didn't trip at the finish line.
>>723092552ok but how does that change what i said
>>723090984And in the end everyone followed suit.
>>723092297I only know 1 (one) negro personally and he is a diehard Xbot
>>723092552>>723092650>>723092740>ummm acktually they were winning until they didn'tOk. They still lost.
>>723092417The Xbox 360 was dominating while Peter Moore was in charge. He watched the PS2 kill the Dreamcast when he was in charge of Sega of America during the Dreamcast era so he aggressively bullied the PS3 by signing a bunch of deals like GTA/CoD DLC timed exclusivity and even stealing weeb games from the PS3(Tales of Vesperia, Nier) and bringing Final Fantasy crossgen. Then Don Mattrick took over and pushed the Kinect instead and Xbox died forever. Peter Moore's kid was a gamer and Peter asked his kid what he should do and it worked, it was like putting a /v/ user in charge on Xbox. Don Mattrick was a retarded suit that just wanted the wii audience.
>>723090984>so stick with 360, that's your message?>yesHow Steve Ballmer didn't fire him on the spot, I'll never know.
>>723093313Geoff cooked with that line you gotta admit
>>723093313They did basically fire him though, or "stepping down and moving on to new opportunites" as its called when you're a high ranking CEO, since they all just fail upwards
>>723090984>This is the moment that doomed the Xbox brand.There's no singular moment. It was a series of marketing gaffes that could only come from a company whose confidence exceeded their grasp. Ironically, the basic idea of what they were going for is essentially already a thing, if they had just shut the fuck up and not said the quiet part out loud they might have maintained dominance rather than ceding the FIFACOD audience to the PS4. My favorite part of the Xbox brand though is that not only did they just shit on all of the ground they gained with the Xbox 360 despite its absurd failure rate at launch, they failed to capitalize on the fact the PS5 is embarrassingly shit with zero games. They got what's coming to them, and I only wish the same thing could have happened to Microsoft at large.
>Xbox>Xbox 360>Xbox One>Xbox One S>Xbox One X>Xbox Series X>Xbox Series Svs >Playstation 1>Playstation 2>Playstation 3>Playstation 4>Playstation 5I think it could also be something else maybe?
>>723093430I love how Geoff is usually the goodest of shills and he was literally giving Don Mattrick the golden ticket to set the record straight, and he literally just doubles down and you can tell Geoff is just thinking "Seriously dude?"
>>723090984>retards still think xbox has an interest in paying customersI really hate how out of the loop this board has become
>>723090984No, it didn't. The xbone reveal was a very minor thing in Xbox's collapse. The damage Spencer )(and by extension Nadella by not sacking him) did was much, MUCH larger than anything Mattrick was capable of
>>723093504360 wasn't a bad name, but they should've gone with 720 for the next one.
>>723093504You are like a little baby, watch this
>>723093484>they failed to capitalize on the fact the PS5 is embarrassingly shit with zero gamesI mean they kind of tried to with all the studio buyouts, but quickly realized that people who already owned a PS5 weren't going to buy a whole new console for something like Starfield and went back to having those studios make multiplats.
>>723093504>Xbox Series SGod I wonder what this generation would've been like without this piece of shit holding back game development. Can you even use it as an emulator box still?
Playstation came before Xbox which gave them an advantage. In the end if Xbox came first Playstation would be dead today
>>723093843If the Xbox One wasn't such a dumpster fire, Windows 10 probably would've been called Windows One.Still remember the shortlived time during the Windows 8/early Xbox One era, they started renaming everything to ONE.
>>723093946>huur
>>723093925>God I wonder what this generation would've been like without this piece of shit holding back game developmentIronically, probably worse. Hardware limitations force a degree of optimization.
>>723093946if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry chirstmas
>>723093925Yeah it's still very good hardware for 1080pI've liked mine, it is just a game pass machine and I'm going to use it for GTA when that comes out
lmao they have stopped selling xboxes in retail storesit's fucking over
>>723091673They had a vision anon, a vision of numbers growing bigger in their bank accounts
>>723094096Xbox will be dead before GTA VI comes out. I wouldn't be surprised if Rockstar already cancelled the Xbox version internally.
>>723091073You become a transsexual the moment Xbox dies?
>>723094030Even if Playstation or Xbox didn't enter the race, they would be dead because of Nintendo anyways
He did put Xbox in this situation, but we all know that he is the only one who can save Xbox also.
>>723092845They lost by a hair. They let Sony win.
>>723093807It still pisses me off they didn't name it this. It was in their lap. Instead they made the dumbest decision possible.
>>723090984360 had already lost to PS3 at this point, Xbox has always been a loser
>>723094229Think of it more like Xbox losing their playerbase.
>>723090984anon, videogames are toys and most of the children that make up the current market weren't even born when that happened
>>723094576Anyone remember that post from an alleged MS insider on why they chose to call it the Xbox One?He claimed that the suits saw how everyone referred to the Xbox 360 as “the 360” so they decided to call it Xbox One so people would refer to it as “the one”. It obviously backfired spectacularly as it just ended up being called the Xbone.
When you start seeing gigantic companies, not as a single thing that wants to make money, but as individual free agents that don't really care what happens as long as THEY make money, everything makes sense. None of these guys give a shit. they got theirs
>>723094749the biggest demographics for video games are 30-40+ aged males actually
>>723094749>most of the children that make up the current marketZoomers and gen alpha don't play video games, especially not on consoles. They play Fortnite, Roblox, and Minecraft on their crap PCs and iPads.The primary audience of video games today is the 25-45 demographic.
>>723094576Imagine if they went with that naming scheme, since it's weaker than the PS4 it'd be called the Xbox 720p and that'd be really bad for public perception.
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>>723094825If this is true then I really wonder how these execs get their jobs in the first place.
>>723092417People don't remember that 360 was dog walking PS3 in almost every category until the drice drop in 09'Then they began to build their brand with a lot of good, critically acclaimed exclusives, bigger marketing push, etc..PS3 in 2008 vs. 2011 is a different beast
>>723092740>>723092552I'm pretty sure it was the 15% failure rate of the console that caused them to fail. And that was an issue since launch.
>>723094926They could've called it the 1080 and it still would've worked. They could've said it was called the 1080 because of HD gaming or some gay shit. It would've been better than having to force everyone to refer to the actual xbox one as the original xbox now.
>>723094838yeah, it's all a bunch of snakes prioritizing short term profits so they can get ahead (which often involves working at other companies so they don't give a FUCK about the long term ramifications of their actions)
>>723094229you become a racist transphobic bigot the moment xbox dies?
i got your spicy doritos hehehethat mountain dew sure is strong
Nobody will agree with me but xbox died with Halo 4 actually.
>>723095076kek we had it so good back then
TARGET AND WAL-MART ARE PULLING XBOX STOCK FROM SHELVESIT IS FUCKING HAPPENING
Truly, is there anything Phil could have done to save the brand? I don’t think it’s simple as “make good games” because he inherited an awful roster of first party studios. Buying studios obviously took way too long and it was way too late to reverse the course of that gen. Then everybody had built the digital libraries and would be extremely unlikely to migrate regardless of how strong the exclusives were
>>723095148Forza Horizon was pretty good for a while, but yeah.
>>723095172AN XBOX JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
>>723095037No it wasn't, because the PS3 had the same issue and if anything it was worse because the YLOD was the result of multiple parts in the PS3 failing whereas it was usually only 1 or 2 issues at most in the 360. Not to mention PS3s were barely available on launch for a good year.
>>723095148halo 4 was the first halo game to sell worse than the last so i can buy that
>>723093076>pushed the kinect instead and xbox died foreverzoomer exaggerated statement aside, Kinect was only a front row product in Microsoft’s lineup for four years, before it was cast off from being a “mandatory accessory” and quietly discontinued.
>>723095148Definitely. Halo was one of the few reasons to actually own an Xbox so once that franchise went to shit people noped out.
>>723095293The problem is it WAS mandatory when the Xbox One released.And if you're not first out the gate, you've lost. Especially in an era when crossplay was basically nonexistent, you would get whatever console your friends had, and the PS4 got all the early sales because of Microsoft's retardation. It doesn't matter that they walked it all back a couple years later, they'd already lost.
Fuck 7th gen so much, but it was the last time in video games where shit doesn't take 5-6 years to develop. We had entire trilogies play out that console generation.
>That span of time where every E3 showed Crackdown 3 and it was constantly being delayed>It comes out like a wet fart Its for the best they cancelled perfect dark
>>723095293Those 4 years were were at a pivotal time at the end of the one gen and the start of another, so the time when people were actually going to buy consoles and Sony snowballed from that early momentum. The Kinect was the greatest blunder in the history of Xbox.
>>723095435>It doesn't matter that they walked it all back a couple years later, they'd already lost.Kinect for Xbox One was drummed out within a year of the console’s launch.
>>723095458Hell we had so many series live and die only in that generation. It makes you wonder what the fuck is happening now.
>>723095682Still too late. The PS4 had already won.
>>723095615I'm still reminded on how Sony E3 had a KH3 trailer. A game that wouldn't come out for 5 years.
>>723095070>racist transphobic bigotyou can just say "normal"
>>723095172i worka da pole
>>723095167the 2000s felt like an 80's heyday almost before 2008
The tragedy of Xbox was that they were literally only successful under Peter Moore but he had to take the blame for the RROD which cost Microsoft a billion dollars, even though rushing out the 360 ultimately ended up being the right move since they had a huge headstart on the PS3. He also got accused of sabotaging the Dreamcast and being a spy by the head of SEGA japan, so he told the translator to tell him to go fuck himself. He always seemed like a smart guy who had to take the blame for other people's fuck ups.Another fun fact about this guy: He went on to run the Liverpool Football Club and make it the most successful its ever been.
>>723095148Halo 4 was such shit, I didn't even bother getting past the second level. What the fuck were they thinking with it, everything sucks the aliens the map it's just yuck. And lets not even get started on the spartan redesign... EUGHHH
>>723096030Xbox having that bigger install base and exclusives like Halo, Gears of War, Dead Rising, etc.. made PS3 seem weak. Also didn't help that for the first year or two of the PS3's lifespan they tried to make it a gimmick machine. Anyone replay old PS3 games and remember the SIX AXIS gimmick? Terrible shit.
>>723095854Man's gotta eat in these trying times.
>>723096058343 were changing everything for the sake of change. They hated the franchise and wanted to change it from within.
>>723095261The PS3's failure rate wasn't one in fucking six.
>>723090984Whatever you say, Phil
>>723096030the "wii60" was moore's idea too and that got A LOT of traction online. where you could buy a 360 and the wii for the price of a ps3 which made the ps3 seem like a very bad purchase even though you'd save money if you bought a ps3 instead of a 360 if you were paying to play online.
>>723096198>they jerked off their shitty dragon game because muh sixaxis>nobody liked the game because it sucked to control>they bothered to put out a patch years later to just let you use normal controls>>723096347wasn't the 360's fail rate like 40% or some shit early on?
>>723096383>wasn't the 360's fail rate like 40% or some shit early on?Try 99%Im not
>>723095172Holy shit. So it's actually over now?
>>723090984>>723091401This mad lad
>>723096198God I feel like I could write a oral history of the events of 7th gen.It also didn't help that as a cross-platform machine, PS3 usually had the worse versions of games. Bayonetta is obviously a big example, but most games in that era would just be just be ever so slightly weaker compared to their 360 counterparts. The only games that felt like they were properly optimized for the system are of course the exclusives. Which they didn't have a lot of in the first few years.
>>723096383>wasn't the 360's fail rate like 40% or some shit early on?I wouldn't doubt it. 16% was the figure that was widely reported in the early- to mid-2000s. That figure stuck with me, because 16% is roughly one in six, the exact same odds as Russian Roulette. Which was excellent for trolling people on /v/ and other vidya discussion sites.
>>723096520>tfw ended up with a ps3 and played fallout 3/new vegas on itChrist, the amount of times you'd need to physically unplug the console due to the game crashing so hard was unreal.
>>723096520THE POWER OF THE CELLI will admit the few devs who knew how to work with it made some stellar stuff.
>>723093843>OS/2 in the NT linewho made this retarded chart?
>>723096520PS3 shitty multiplats were fixed down the line when devs had better tools.By the end most games were equal, GTAV running better on PS3 than 360. Of course there was no fixing the terrible RDR and Skyrim ports
>>723096369>though you'd save money if you bought a ps3 instead of a 360 if you were paying to play onlinePlaying online with what? CoD was getting hot in that era but 360 had CoD, Halo, Gears. More games that took advantage of their online service. Playstation barely had any of that, they had to rely on Resistance and eventually Killzone 2 in 2009 to actually have marque online games. Yet I wouldn't even say either of those touch Halo or Gears in the terms of popularity at the time.
NPC take. The moment Xbox was doomed was when they turned it from a vidya machine to an ad machine.
>>723096859real. once they took away blades dashboard it was over...
>>723096859E3 2010 is the distinct time I remember it was okay to fully shit on Xbox. That was their big Kinect year and I don't remember much else, thus alienating their core fanbase of fans because it was basically telling them "We got nothing for you, except a new Gears game I guess."
>>723096859truer words have never been utteredi miss just popping in a disc and the game started
>>723096425>>723096383>wasn't the 360's fail rate like 40% or some shit early on?I went through 4. My first one started dying out of the initial warranty but I towel tricked it until the 3 year extended red ring of death warranty was added and I could finally get it "fixed". The next one died in a month, the other one lasted 4. The last one that I got seemed to finally be a working one. I traded it to a guy for his computer who later ended up running a local MLP chapter and ran the local bronycon. He also ended up trooning out in 2021. That console was fucking cursed and I'm glad I got rid of it. Halo 3 and Guitar Hero 2/3 were genuinely fun though so I feel like I got my money's worth.
>>723095037>>723092417What killed the 360 and saved the PS3 was focus.The Xbox 360 diverted into a full multimedia platform where Sony had scaled back on that (primarily because the PS3 dropped most of its media support).The death nail was the PS3 slim. The Slim released mere months after the Kinect was announced and came with an intense and focused renewed marketing campaign that highlighted>The exclusiveshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgwNyb80L0s>The graphicshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0q3qcLkw1A>The overall functionality of just the consolehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiz1wO3fp38>The pricepointhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSJMU2hXnCcAnd all of this was while Xbox was hedging its bets on>interconnectivity (Sports, Movies, Kinect, talking to your Xbox, etc.)>the Kinect itself (SO MUCH TIME WASTED ON THIS IN PRESENTATIONS)>several IPs that had reached an endpoint (Halo 4, Gears of War Judgment)That's why Xbox fell off at the end of the generation. PS3 just outmarketed it in the second leg.
>>723096962They took away this dashboard just to add gay avatars and ads. I'm glad Xbox is dying.
I hope in the future anything with air cooling will become easily cleanable. Otherwise everything is just going to collect dust for its planned obsolescence.
>>723097290 but anon haven't you ever wondered what the bottom of an avatar's shoe looks like?
>>723090984I might be misremembering the context but hasn't he kinda been proven right though? I mean just look at the gaming landscape today. Everyone is online and connected in nearly every aspect of life.
>>723093504Ps1 > n64 = dreamcastXbox = ps2 > gamecubeXbox 360 > wii > ps3Ps4 = xbox one > wii uPs5 > switch > Xbox series X and S
>>723097385It's funny how much people shat on this idea in 2013 versus where we are at 12 years later. Doesn't help that most games themselves hard bake that aspect in now.
>>723097385He wasn't wrong, but he was being a complete douchebag about it. That's what got people mad
>>723097385The context was trying to make the Xbone into an always-online console, one of multiple marketing disasters that ultimately killed Xbox as a brand and led to its current zombie state while it's trying to pull out of hardware. One of the other marketing disasters was announcing that the Xbox and Kinect would be always-online immediately after Edward Snowden's government privacy leaks.
>>723092417360 was massively ahead for most of gen 7. Even with a ridiculously high rate of failure, RRoD, people didn’t care. PS3 was a meme for the price tag and “nogames” that didn’t catch up until the very end. It’s still crazy to me that xbox managed to flush all that goodwill down the toilet instantly. That one e3 almost felt like intentional sabotage.
>>723097385He is right, but this was during a time when something like this was controversial and it was still a new concept so there were alternatives you could turn to that wouldn't have all these features + no gaymes + geoff keighley interview + Nu GOW and Nu Halo. Literally no reason to get this shitbox over the PS4.
>>723094253Weird to imagine a Saturn versus N64 fight without the PlayStation around.Now, if we keep the original timeline: Saturn still comes out in 1995, N64 still comes out in 1996. So the Saturn gets a whole year of smooth sailing. The reduced competition also helps the 3DO to keep going, and if they actually released the M2 in 1996 as first planned, it'd be a very strong contender against the N64. The Jaguar still dies, though.
>>723097385No? Plenty of games are still able to be played completely offline from the disc, you just have to do an install which doesn't need a connection. Plus even games that need a day 1 patch/don't have a physical edition can still be played offline which was the biggest issue with this at the time.
>>723095070No, because they're already those things before xbox has died.Me too.
>>723097385>b-b-but he ended up being le rightYeah and in the future EA's comment about simple game mechanics like reloading your weapon turning into a microtransaction might become a reality, but there's such a thing as timing. The gaming industry was not yet the hellscape it is now.
>>723097427N64 beats the PS1 by a mile if you had siblings and friends to play with. Some of my fondest memories were of playing Army Men, Pokemon Coliseum, Mario Party 2, Smash Bros, Goldeneye, Donkey Kong 64, etc. and all the crazy shit we did.
>>723096383>>723096425>>723097091You know what's really crazy? My arcade 360 hasn't died yet and is still going strong
>>723095070The moment Xbox dies? Faggot we've hated you since before this shit came out.
>>723097385>sirs please continue being online sirs PLEASE THANK YOUShut the fuck up zoomer https://www.doesitplay.org/ and come back when you're semi literate.
>>723091401It was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
>>723097854if your unit has a hdmi port, its the safe ones. the one without a hdmi port are bombs.
>uhhh what Don Mattrick said was actually a prophecy please renew the SIRS PASS DRM thank you sirshttps://www.doesitplay.org/ And Xbox is a dead brand today btw.
I legitimately forgot Xbox even existed until I heard the news about the Gamepass cancellation website crashing from too much traffic.
>>723091569They shot themselves in the foot twice. Once with that stupid fucking naming convention. I still have no idea which is stronger, X or S. And if you're a parent or grandparent looking to buy a system for your child, how the fuck do you know if you need a 360, a One, a One S, a series S or a series X. Makes no sense. The other part is that they require any game on the stronger system be available on the weaker system meaning games get delayed a full year onto Xbox as nobody wants to deal with that shit.
Will they release another Xbox?
Ah yes, when Microsoft said you needed to be online to play games it's the same thing as being unable to even play your games. And you wonder how so many illiterate people are out there, particularly the zoomers. They think a gacha game with always online is the same thing as putting in a disc and it not playing because nothing was on the disc. Lot of fried zoomer brains.
>>723094323With yuri?
>>723097993As long as it's not a Xenon or Zephyr you're mostly fine. Although I have a Falcon board 360 and it RRODs like half the time I turn it on, plus games run like shit on it (shittier than normal) so the GPU is probably going out. Honestly just get nothing older than a Jasper if you really want to relive 360 gaming.
>>723097947this is why you play on PC and Russian Valve Servers. You only get banned if you get reported to fed boy
I bought a ps3 exclusively to play Demon’s Souls, ended up using it more than my 360, and didn’t bother getting a xbone.I think if Spencer can just go back in time and kill Mattrick before OP’s moment and kill Miyazaki, Xbox might be saved.
>>723098128>The other part is that they require any game on the stronger system be available on the weaker system meaning games get delayed a full year onto Xbox as nobody wants to deal with that shit.I recall this specific thing being why Nintendo had no interest in Switch Pro (or rather they scalped what little R&D went towards it into the Switch OLED), since the New 3DS bombed and ran into the exclusivity problems.
>>723098152Most likely not!
>>723091931>right moves>doing normal thingsdon't forget that leaks showed they were also implementing disk drm, they just saw the backlash and quickly cancelled those plans
>>723097427PS1 aged like dogshit, wobbly ass graphics it was shit then and is now.
>>723098685Still. You know damn well if it was Sony first, Xbox would've still done the same thing despite the backlash because they're just that retarded.
>>723098918the n64 was trash, sancho
>>723098918Right, which is why the artstyle is a trend now.
>>723090984I'm honestly surprised Xbox even made it to the 9th gen. Bungie leaving Halo + the Xbone reveal should've finished them off then and there.
>>723093504xbox has the worst names imaginable>>723094825iirc they even got mad people called it the xbone. how did they never consider it would confuse people since they were already calling the og "xbox one"series is even worse desu because it's just a mouthful. xbox series x. call it scarlet or scorpion ffs just give it a simple name
>>723098941People forget that really shitty PS4 reveal stream, everyone remembers Xbox E3 but never that reveal that happened like two months prior where they showed off DREAMS
>>723098918N64 graphics were vaseline smeared garbage. Only people that liked it are trust fund kids who got an N64 and it's 100 dollar games and want to think they won.
>>723093843you are missing Windows RG
>>723099068It's funny if they got mad about the Xbone when the new console is the XSex
>>723095293>only four years>onlyI know that the stagnation of technological progress has been obvious for a decade now and that games take forever to develop now, but 4 years was an eternity back then
>>723099068Unironically the 720 and 1040 would be better names than One or whatever their new console is called. Is it X or S? Cause didn't they already have a console called Xbox One Series X or am I crazy.
>>723093076I wonder why he left to go to EA of all places.
>>723097427Agree except I think the most recent gen is so irrelevant that you can just call them all equal
>>723094825>It obviously backfired Xbox 180 is on your wrist.
>>723098918>zoomers never played old games on a CRT before
>>723099462You can thank your generation for scalping the prices of a CRT now.
>>723093946The 360 outsold the PS3 for the longest time. The PS3 could only catch up because Microsoft decided that they should stop trying towards the end of the 360's lifespan. And basically, you're dumb.
>>723099430Consoles now are kinda sad. It feels like these days it all falls down to preference and maybe how long you've been with them. Like I got a PS5 solely because it's just my console of choice due to having a 10+ year library built up on my account, not because I want the exclusives
>>723093847they bought a lot of studios but did nothing with them, still releasing things on PC and Playstation. Not to mention they let their prime franchises go down the drain.The success of Xbox in the 360 era was because of winning over the dudebro audience, but instead of embracing that they pissed on Halo, made Gears's lead a woman and did kid pandering with the kinect
>>723099728It's not like they're still making CRTs en masse these days
>>723099728>80$why do i feel like that RCA doesn't even have composite inputs and is just RF only
>>723098918It had peak pixel graphics.
>>723090984>all the shit they wanted to push with Xbone that made people boycott the living shit out of the brand is now just regular things everyone acceptsIn a blink of an eye, the whole world has gone mad, and I didn't event witness it. I can only try to survive the consequences.
>>723099045>/v/ back in the day seethed over this image>white male front in center, Doritos, Mountain Dew, HaloPeople who complained about this are the reason why we are here today
>>723099897They're not but lets not pretend like there aren't millions of these things still around. Faggots didn't start scalping this shit until a few years ago when the retro gaming trend became even more popular than it already was.
>>723100135It was funny and it was a meme to clown in Xbox with since they always had the first run of innovative scam technology
>>723099897I still see at least 5 every weekend on the curb when I drive to the park. New ones every week.There's only a few CRTs worth hundreds of dollars, and those ones go for thousands.99.9% of CRTs are certified e-waste.
>>723100135It was made fun of for the product placement, wasn't it?
>>723097951Say what you will about will about Sony but this was masterful. A perfect twist of the knife.
>>723094952by being yesmen. Of course some of them knew it was retarded but they werent going to say no to their boss
>>723099068>xbox has the worst names imaginableEven the Wiiu was more clear than "series S/X" I dont even remember which is which or why a weaker one exists.
>>723100378People on /v/ hated dudebro people and liked games like Portal 2, Bastion, and New Vegas, aka a bunch of reddit tranny games.
>>723095182The game was rigged from the start. It's impossible to make good gamed when your entire team rotates every 18 months because god forbid companies have to pay benefits. This is why turn 10 is the only xbox studio outputting at least some level of consistency and quality with forza horizon because afaik they don't fire their entire staff every year
>>723090984I still can't believe how much they fucked up halo and how they haven't stopped doing it for 13 years now.
>>723099936Cause it doesn't. I never once saw a 13' that had RCAs unless it was a VCR combo.
>>723100525To be fair to them. That was before it was reddit tranny shit.
>>723099728My Dad still has that Magnavox.
>>723100617It's just like Gears, the story was neatly wrapped up and any sequel was inevitably going to fuck up everything. The only path forward was spinoffs exploring other parts of the lore like conflicts before the covenant wars with spartans fucking up workers uprising or the pendulum wars
>>723097385It was too much to fast. Gamers are subservient plebs who can and will accept anything. But you have to dripfeed it slowly over years instead of going all in right away
>>723100525culture flows downstreamEvery recognized that New Vegas had its merits as an RPG but still was clunky crap. Times have changed.I think the team behind Bastion has done the best out of the lot as far as game developers go
>>723095182The focus on gamepass was probably the best decision in the end.>Can't compete with Nintendo's brand>can't compete with Sony's mainstream appeal>lost the dudebro audience during the 360 daysWhat else could he do but try something else entirely? Buying those studios was just a desperate attempt to build a foundation for gamepass. I'm just sad they got id.
>>723097385The problem was they tried to push everything at once. We all know basically everything they tried to push is regular shit now, but at the time everyone was really against it. Had they taken their time and pushed it slowly, Xbox as a brand might have been saved.
>>723090984He was right though. Digital was becoming the norm and only boomers who still bought discs hated the prospect of a Digital only console.Now its the norm but it should've been the norm in 2013. He was right. If you wanted physical discs that didnt need to phone home, stick with Xbox 360.Dude was fired for basically telling the truth, which is a big no no in marketing E3 segment interviews.
>>723090984Back then, the ps3 had free online play. Xbox never had a chance.
what if, back in the time, everyone using a desktop computer knew that the weird business policies on console gaming were about to be rolled out on all microsoft operating systems? Or did someone it all?
>>723101062Whyd Sony start charging money then?
>>723091569The later One X revision was great though. It's probably the best console Microsoft ever designed and was what the launch model should have been
>>723099728Can't you just use a CRT filter or something these days?
>>723090984I still have my Xbox 360 plugged in, and never owned an Xbox One.
>>723101062PSN was complete garbage. It was only when they started offering free games (with a paid subscription) that people finally adopted it.
>>723095148As someone who loved halo 4 multiplayer and spent countless hours in itI was super high on copium when it was released. The whole game felt weird, like if it was a dlc or something.
>>723101131Bait and switch, build a customer base and then begin to charge knowing they are invested
>>723097385The problem is what happens when the internet is acting up or their own servers are having issues. 99% of the time people are online but that 1% is going to be annoying to deal with and it comes with no benefit to the user.
>>723100808If you completely disregard the story they still fucked up every single game since 4 even the re-releases of the old games. I think infinite was a step in the right direction but still not great. After this many failed attempts though why should I have hope for the reboot or whatever the hell it is?
>>723097553Honestly that whole gen was when everything went to shit. The whole industry was having a collective brain fart and actively sabotaging themselves for no good reason.
>>723099024low poly isn't a trend whatsoever, you confused 8bit PC slop zoomie.
>>723101275You can but it's nowhere near the same experience.
>>723101131xbox fucked up so hard they knew they could implement it and retards would pay up while defending it under "but it's only a few bucks a month!"Then nintendo did the same shit because they didn't want to miss out on getting money for nothing.
Didn't Halo 3 have the highest marketing budget of all time? Or was that Halo 2?>finish the fight! again!That's when I started that trilogy joke. Whew.Anyway Microsoft was betting so much on Halo and Xbox absolutely dominating the gaming market that they paid all their developers they had to no release games on PC. You might not notice that today, but it may have had a market affect on how many studios have been axed recently, if they had been originally stunted by getting edged out of the PC market early.
>early 7th gen>wii comes out with wiimote, ps3 comes with accelerometer in the sixaxis, both primitive but promising>xbox takes the jp controller, poofs extra face buttons into triggers and goes on with their day>late 7th gen>wii upgrades to motion plus, ps3 gets move controllers, both have modern motion control capability, just in a different form factor>xbox tries kinect, turns out it's more useful on windows than on xbox, cripples sony by mandating feature parity in multiplats, devs bow down to demands>8th gen>wiiu and ps4 come with native motion controls>xbox recycles x360 controller and mandates feature parity again, devs comply for ps4 but slide extra features under the table for nintendo>9th gen>switch/2 and ps5 come with more advanced motion controls than ever>xbox recycles x360 controller again, mandates feature parity but now not with a comparable console to ps5 but with series s toaster, devs want to rebel but don't>10th gen >xbox is gone>but its inertia has the games still pinned in 2006
>>723094952A lot of these executives tend to think in the most optimistic way possible. After all, Nintendo called their console the Wii and somehow no one told them that meant piss.
>>723102139It was halo 2 with not much above it still
>>723097385retard take every tech might be usefull at some point in history, electric cars will push out petrol eventually, point it at the time it was extremly bad PR
>>723102471Reminder that someone died on a radio show (hold your wee for a Wii!) with what effectively became a water drinking contest. The contest was borderline fraud and they wanted her to piss for a commercial break so they killed her kidneys because the poor woman wanted to win the Wii for a her kids as a Christmas gift. They had a wrongful death suit and got the whole station shut down from the loss.
>>723094952The thing about execs is that it is all nepotism. Now and then there is maybe a single person within the company who ascended the ladder the natural ways and does actually understand what is going on, but for the most part it's just them hiring their buddies to give them a massive salary. This is why CEOs always tend to fall upwards or sideways instead of falling down.
>>723103251Then my question is, how does a business stay sustainable this way? Why would you not start losing money when all your top guys are constantly bleeding money out of the company with poor decisions?
>>723092020This retard caused Sony to become a sinking ship lmao.
>>723103359You don't understand hyper-capitalism. Step 1 is to find a glitch.>people want to pay with some sort of internet verification well let's charge a slight .75% fee per transaction>well lookee here we make a reliable 15 trillion yearly now wowWant a soda? You can buy a flavor of coke or pepsi, everything else will be either cut quality or noticeably more expensive
>>723102914Never knew that story. Fucking hell.
>>723097385thats big irony people at the time went ape shit at the idea and lashed out hard to punish xbox but every other company would follow this plan anways, microsoft just pushed for it to early and quickly, don mattrick being a colossal faggot also poured gasoline on that fire.
>>723090984I remember I was very disappointed of the people running Xbox after the reveal. The folks who made a popular console were now betting on linear TV and kinect, and when the first inferior Xbone games came out and the devs started talking about (((parity))), I left console gaming for good.
>>723103519Of course step 2 is to get a rival and try to get the market close to a 50/50 split. Above 65% of market share (Windows anyone?) you might start getting the threat of a monopoly bust. Visa and Mastercard, MS and Apple, Xbox and Playstation and Nintendo, hell even beer companies. All these brands form de-facto cultural clades and usually try to lock down a market. Cars an exception but they have special rules.
>>723090984This guy is a hero to us consumers. He was our guy, and helped us avoid a nasty corporation.I'm still surprised Xbox players were stupid enough to pay for online as long as they did though. I know it was mostly children who bought Xbox for Halo and Call of Duty, but come on now.
>>723102914>they wanted her to piss for a commercial break so they killed her kidneysWhat is this borderline stroke posting?The contest was whoever needs to piss first loses and having to drink lots of water in a short span of time.She won, but had imbibed too much water and got water-poisoning (brain swells from all the liquid and causes trauma) and fucking died.The faggots responsible for the contest had multiple callers telling them of the dangers and they, like the fantastical retards they were, dismissed all of them.
>>723103359A company the size of Microsoft simply can't go down. They'd take the entire world down with them. Being incompetent just means infinite-1 money at the end of the quarterly reports.Even if someone proved Microsoft funds drug cartels nothing would happen.
>>723103359Because the company overall is doing well so nobody gives a shit about the relatively smaller division that is struggling to be profitable.
>>723104906you just need a President that's half insane like Andrew Jackson 3.0 and he can go to town breaking monopolies. That might happen eventually
>>723091569>PS4 ran games better than Xbone every timeAt the very beginning of the generation, PS4 ran the games at higher resolution, but often had worse performance than Xbone.
>>723105251That was fascinating but ultimately ended up playing in Sony's favor through sheer dumb luck. At the start the games were 1080p native on PS4 with unlocked framerates, while Xbox One ended up at 900p with locked 30FPS. The PS4 Pro didn't move the needle much, but with the PS5 all the backwards compatible PS4 games jump to 1080p60FPS. Dumb luck favored Sony that gen, while this gen it was just a madman gambit of making an ecosystem of owning nothing but GamePass rent receipt renewals.
>>723090984I feel bad for him. At least he was honest about it. I still use my 360 regularly and I love it.
>>723091931>>A fucking HUNDRED dollars cheaperI mean, who in the fucking hell thought that including the kinect camera was a good idea if it set the price 100$ over ps4?Plus, it's fucking mindboggling how they didn't release a single good in-house game for two whole generations.
>>723105538The same people who thougth WATCHING TV was a selling point.
>>723096383>wasn't the 360's fail rate like 40% or some shit early on?It was because it was improperly cooled and the cpu and gpu overheated and the solder cracked under them.You could just reball those and should have worked fine for a while.
>>723097385The idea of Xbox as an online media device wasn't wrong in theory. The execution was atrocious.
>>723096425The Playstation 3 and all nvidia and ATI gpus of the era also had 100% failure rate due to the same defect.>>723097854The defect that was killing all chips fabbed by TSMC was fixed in April 2008, all chips manufactured after then are reliable.
>>723097547>>723097385Microsoft simply made a rookie mistake of openly admitting to their true intentions. The correct way was the way Sony took: a console with a disc drive, and a console without a drive.Guess what variant (with/without drive) will the PS6 be.
>>723106117Yeah but you'd think the drive would've burnt out by now, granted i installed discs to reduce the wear but still
>>723095753It's pretty funny that this was the first time TV boomers said "Hey! Console wars are a thing! Let's make episodes about this" and it was the absolute worst generation to imply Xbox had a chance
>>723100462series s, the weaker one exists as a cheap game game pass machine that (allegedly) plays modern games, despite being weaker than a one x (the previous gen's pro model).it worked because it actually sold more than the base model, but it was also a blight on gaming because in their eternal retardation microsoft demands feature parity for all multiplats, leading to games either cutting stuff to fit on the series s (a good example was local coop in sparking zero being severely gutted) or drop xbox as a whole
>>723092417Nah 360 won, you weren't around for it.
>>723098941absolutely.i kinda wonder how consumers would've taken it if both did that, used games were still big back then and gamestop was still kicking.i bet gamestop would've probably strongarmed them into dropping that shit tho, give it would've severely hampered their business back then>>723099072ps4 made the ps3 no gaems look reasonable. at least ps3 started getting exclusives after a bit. ps4 still only has bloodborne and ps5 has astro bot
>>723095070No, I'm already that.
>>723099728While I agree charging more than a handshake and a pat on the back for taking some retards consumer level CRT is insanity, if $80-$100 seems like a lot of money then you gotta do some introspection and focus less time on vidya and more on getting a real job
>>723102040nintendo is genuinely "money for nothing". at least sony and microsoft have the excuse that they sell consoles at a loss and have actual servers and online functionality (and "gift" you games)nintendo makes you pay for basic p2p connection and a few old roms
You could really start feeling the cracks and the times that were coming when around 10-11 EA would put "online-only" codes in their new games like Crysis that would bar any used copies of being able to play online
>>723102914>>723104687this makes acclaim's retarded stunts look sensible
>>723091401PS was always cool and trendy worldwide, that's how it took over Nintendo's market share in the first place. 360 was Xbox' only good generation and MS flushed that down the drain with OP.
>>723106782It's a product that hasn't been manufactured for nearly 30 years. Finding CRTs is actually kinda difficult anymore so they actually do have some value now mostly for retro gaming since stuff like the PS2 and the N64 look terrible on modern tvs.
its accurate messaging just not one fucking poor losers wanted to hearhe did less damage to the brand than that faggot Phil Spencer who bought fucking trash with billions and wasted whatever faith the IP had left, he killed it, it was totally recoverable
My main issue with Xbox and Microsoft in general is the constant >here's a cool backwards compatibility feature so you can keep playing your old games>half-ass it and go from "can play almost every xbox game if you have the disc" to "you can buy SOME xbox games if the license isn't kill" to "you can still buy some 360 arcade games but no more xbox" to "only a few games work and even fewer have actual performance improvements from the original" to " we'll brick your console and account if we ever see you using the dev tools to emulate">the whole retarded ass naming convention going from XBOX > XBOX 360 > XBOX ONE > XBOX ONE SERIES causing confusion and don't delineate what makes an XBOX ONE different from an XBOX ONE SERIES and increasing the gamepass prices and ALSO removing benefits from it and doubling down on cloud gaming that literally no one uses
>>723106782It's not that 80-100 is a lot. It's that 80-100 is a lot for a product that's only worth 10-20 at most. It's the principle. I can go out and buy every one of these CRTs, but I'd be a fucking retard if I did that.
>>723105251Today Black Ops 7 runs at 22fps on Xbox One, so that isn't true either.
>>723106582PS3 won at the end of the generation...if you pretend the Wii didn't exist.
Is there a market to rush and fill right now? Like if you just sold "generic console" for $400. You sold new games for $50. The cheapest way to do it would be DRM free (zoomers wouldn't touch you and then piracy would be possible I guess) or run it as some Linux device on an independent distro and flirt with Steam. Make an OS that works with any gamepad and a keyboard. Pitch it at legacy stores like Gamestop. Selling disks for it is optional.
>>723092417Zoomer detected. The PS3 ultimately did outsell the 360, but that was near the end of its lifespan. From 2006 to like 2014 every normie owned a 360, only people who owned PS3 were weebs, Sony cultists, richfags who could afford both or basement dwelling video game addicts who had both just for exclusives.
>>723090984Sad part is I had a 360 and xboner and the xboxone wasn't even that bad in fact I still have the controller it's goodThat said I'll never go back to Xbox after that retard ruined it
>>723090984xbox one was, in some ways, ahead of its time. focus on online and streaming/novelty service. it basically was a firestick/chromecast that played gamesit came way too early and it was a retarded thing to put drm on used games>>723107396not telling your customers to buy something else is RULE NUMBER ONE of marketing>>723105538>claim the kinect is ESSENTIAL>meekly remove it later anywayit wasn't just the bad product they shat out, it was the gall that it was good and you should consume and stop whining that did them in
>>723107778>goalpost movingconcession accepted, xbot.
>>723107882I'm a Sonyfag you tard. I swapped from 360 to PS3 around the end of the gen then went PS4 for next gen over Xbox One because of the gay DRM bullshit and Persona 5.
>>723107861they wanted to spy on literally everyone they could with the kinect
>>723108010You mean Xbox live with its always online crap back in 2002
>>723107640Let's use Grand Theft Auto 6 as the barometer for PC/console specs of a new gaming machine. 16GB VRAM GPU, SSD internal storage capacity, with a beefy middle tier CPU, and physical drive. Well don't forget this device has to last like 7 years, so it can't be obsolete so we have to raise the VRAM. How much are those? Oh...900 dollars for 24GB? And that's just a conservative increase in our hypothetical Chinese/Apple/Amazon console. But let's say fuck it and go for it. Then the next piece is the CPU, power supply, and we already allocated VRAM as unified RAM so not needed. Is 400 dollars fair if you're a big company buying in bulk? We're at $1,300 cost of building materials and we still need the physical drive, the LEDs, the WiFi cards, the Bluetooth receiver for the controller, gotta have a controller included too, what we are up to now, let's round to $150. So $1,500 something cost for a 2027 gaming computer/console that will last 7 years.And you turn around and sell it at 500 dollars. If you don't support physical, you just lost potential customers. If it's not a good enough gaming PC, you just the PC gamers who may have wanted it. Does it lack exclusives? Just lost more potential customers and so-forth. Investing in exclusives means buying out the IP rights and funding your own studios (Sony, Nintendo). Going physical means you have to work with distributors of Bluray which can hold up to 100GB in triple layer format. The reason Valve can afford to sell the Steam Deck at a very cheap cost is that they expect to see their customers buy from them again, not rent which is less money. Now who do you see jumping here? Probably a Chinese company to be frank, who can afford the tremendous loss at the start. I forgot the marketing and retailer presence costs, real estate isn't free at Walmart/BestBuy/retailers worldwide. How many PC handhelds exists? Tons, but how many does the average person know of? Not a lot, it costs money to market, so add that too.
>>723107861>>723108010I don't even think they wanted it to spy on them, they probably paid McKenzie 5 million dollars for research and they said that the future of gaming wouldn't have a controller at all.Then all we got was this and Microsoft had to backpedal on literally everything.
>>723108373I remember the kinect games presentation at E3. The dog simulator was kind of cute but /v/ was creepy about the kid lmao
>>723107406>and doubling down on cloud gaming that literally no one usesNot to mention it constantly has service issues and kicks you out mid game more than half the time.
>>723108373isn't mike a right wing grifter now?
>>723091401The only instance of Xbox having an edge on PlayStation in NA was 360 vs PS3.PS2 sold 50 million in NA, compared to the 14.6 million for Xbox.
>>723108663>/v/ was creepy about the kid lmaoYou say this like /v/ has changed
>>723108276Selling consoles is always a risky investment and it's a difficult market to actually make profit in. Unless you are making underpowered hardware like Nintendo you basically have to sell the systems at a loss and hope to make up the money with game sales or in Microsoft's case Game Pass subscriptions. Only a few companies realistically could take the risk without ruining themselves financially. Apple,Amazon,Samsung or yeah some Chinese corporation might have the means to try if they were willing to take a chance
>>723109729Everyone keeps assuming a newcomer to the console business will be a hybrid PC device of sorts, but that device will have to be strong enough to play Raytracing games from your Steam library. You make a solid point about selling underpowered console like Nintendo, but that's a huge gamble because you're then demanding reputable publishers to take time and money to make custom versions of games for your new lowered powered device. Any time there's a new Nintendo console device people like to laugh at it for being underpowered, like on /v/ truly, but if you make something more expensive than Nintendo you're eating into your own profit margins. I don't envy the position of figuring out the puzzle of a low-power good enough console.It's almost like building a smartphone.
>>723090984Xbox was like Sega, they were never relevant
>>723097427>PS5 > SwitchWhy, the PS5 barely has any worthwile games
>>723110042If you lagged behind a generation or two then your production costs would be feasible if you could get them all standardized. Nintendo does this with their hardware, tell me the current mario party doesn't look two or three generations behind a PS5 in terms of graphical power. Microsoft and Sony were always pushing other merchandise and platforms in electronics.I was thinking some up-market gaming box that came installed with an easy Linux distro. Budget hardware.>723107640 me
>>723090984No, this is. The disaster Xbone launch was all downstream from this.
>>723110617yeah but nintendo has insanely solid, consistend and varied first party output.a new company making a brand new console would have to find an actual selling point for people who would buy yours over a ps5, a switch 2 and a steam decka generic steam machine feels like a pointless device since it would just be a limited pc. the deck has an actual usecase as a portable console shaped device. why bother with a steam machine on your tv when you could buy a pc
>>723109729The only companies that can feasibly subsidize a console are the ones that have a storefront of their own already. Valve is the obvious one, 30% of every game sold on their console going to Valve means a lot of money. Apple and Google are the other ones but that'd need more devs to port their games to mobile which is a large investment. It's really just Valve that can release a console and have it do well right now. It'd be a fucking insane back catalog too for consolefags swapping to the Steam ecosystem.
>>723096727Someone who actually knows his Windows and OS/2 history. "Windows NT" was originally "NT OS/2". When IBM and Microsoft split, IBM owned the OS/2 NT codebase but it had all been written by MS. Microsoft gave IBM a perpetual distribution license for Windows 3.x in exchange for ownership of the OS/2 NT codebase; IBM retained ownership of the OS/2 name and branding. Microsoft cleverly changed the name of the new operating system from "NT OS/2" to "Windows NT", and changed the name of "Windows 3.x" to "Windows 95" (which IBM did not have a distribution license for) and was off to the races leaving IBM with a great deal of egg on its face.
>>723111735i can see valve trying for a steam machine 2, aka a more powerful, non portable deck essentially
>>723090984360 is beloved to this day tho
>>723111735>>723111121>>723110617Let's take Valve for a quick example, the anon who said 30% cut is correct. That's big. So big that EpicGameStore (Unreal Engine CEO Timmy) got so mad they took Valve to court over this, they lost. So while you could technically pirate games on the Steam Deck and play your Steam library, ultimately the odds are you'll be paying at some point for a final software sale. Game subscriptions work on a different equation for profit, the perfect customer for any subscription is someone who barely uses it and keeps it on auto-renewal. So Valve can subsidize the Steam Deck's cheapest variant while offering the OLED for profit because they can afford to and realistically non-pirate customers will end up buying at least one full retail game which is huge for Valve as the sole-owner of the store.Now let's take Tencent since some anons won't shut the fuck up about it. China had a very strict anti-console/video game policy for their home market, they've only recently loosened up. The Valve Steam Client in China is actually custom and it prevents users from using the forums or using Steam Written Reviews, which is why some games will get huge negative/positive review scores without actual Chinese words since they're prohibited by the CCP. If Tencent were to make a PS5 equivalent console it would be outdated, wouldn't you guys agree? The PS5 is 4.5 years old and they released these consoles right before AI upscaling tech was part of the GPU architectures (PS5 only has access to old FSR). When building a console it has to last more than 6 years minimum so this Tencent thing has to live up to 2033. You know we all have 32GB RAM PCs? Imagine if someone had a PC from 10 years ago, 8GB RAM. So you have to plan ahead with overkill specs, Tencent will have to have some 32GB VRAM console and that's A LOT OF FUCKING MONEY. And they will lose money per unit, unless they make an underpowered console that'll play PS6 era games in 2030s.
Why is this a problem? everyone has internet
>>723112479>able to afford good internet>check out product which depends on internet>its own servers are shut downWhy do you think Stop Killing Games was such a big deal?
>>723112409Would it even make sense for any Chinese company to make a video game console? Most of their gamers are on PC or mobile. If they wanted to do something, it would make more sense for Tencent to make Steam or Androi/iOS rival.
>>723112685It's hard to gauge, I don't know. Culturally Chinese is PC and mobile because the CCP outlawed video games from other nations for decades. There are a lot of entrepreneurs and with Microsoft's continued soft/hard exit of video game consoles it'll be the best time for someone else to jump in. Financially it would make since China can use their fake currency to eat the costs when entering the video game console market, but culturally they truly don't understand what makes consoles appealing as a part of the gaming medium. As far as I know Google related phones aren't even allowed to install Google's Play Store (downloading apps) so you have to bootleg the firmware if you buy Chinese Android phones.PC are popular in China because of their net cafes renting schemes, piracy, and the ban on Japanese and American consoles. To the average Chinese addict who plays at net renting cafes it is unfathomable for them to own their games and to have them at home. You need to solve 2 things if you're a Chinese business man: the economic side and the cultural aside. The Ouya was an Android based micro-console with the biggest Kickstarter backing, didn't go anywhere. That's probably the scenario for China if they just half-ass it without thinking straight. Can you imagine Genshin Impact being an exclusive to a Chinese console? No because it's on Playstation right now, so they're cutting off their own revenue stream. A Chinese 3rd game console entry would require that level of investment in many Genshin Impact budget tier games to launch with. Chinese probably can't even comprehend physical media so they wouldn't bother and they don't get the cultural stigma of going all digital-own nothing. After talking through with you, I don't think realistically Tencent can launch an affordable console. Look at all the shameless Chinese game copycats, they can copy but they don't really "get" the source material.
>>723090984>Shows up>Destroys your brand right as it was on top>VanishesIt was honestly impressive how fast he managed to ruin everything. Everything can be traced back to this moment.
>>723113356The Ouya always seemed like a scam, along with "OnLive!"
>>723112676It wasn't a big deal because of either of those things. It was just YouTube drama that overflowed into that stupid petition.
>>723113883Ouya had 3 big problems>(1)Too underpowered to get games ports (this was after the Wii U released if you want a refresher on power levels). For a potential console challenger you have to have the specs to play GTA6 and continue to play games well into the 2030s. For the Ouya, they couldn't even get Steam indie games or Ubisoft/Capcom ports, Resident Evil 4 and Assassin's Creed is on everything and Ouya couldn't handle those.>(2)Retailers wouldn't carry it, which by the way, tons of retailers are liquidating Xbox consoles worldwide. You need retail presence so the average Joe, little Timmy, uncles, grandparents, casuals recognize your product exists. I guarantee that the average gamer out there doesn't know that Valve has a Steam Deck because they lack a retail presence, but for now Valve is satisfied with their own niche product. Ouya's team couldn't convince American retailers, let alone Europeans, to carry their product which was all digital so stores had even less incentive.>(3)No exclusives. Like Xbox currently has no exclusives. I don't have to write a lot about this. If you want to play Smash Bros, you need to buy Nintendo's console. Same with Sony's exclusives which the bulk of them are on the PS4 like Gravity Rush. Ouya didn't even have 1st party games. Their sales pitch for exclusives was you build your own games and sell them.
>>723090984They had 11 years and $100 billion to turn things around. I'm so tired of people blaming Don Mattrick, while never focusing on Phil Spencer.Both Sony and Nintendo showed it's possible to turn things around in half a generation. Microsoft EASILY could have turned ship and succeeded. Would they have outsold Sony? Probably not, but they would have been a strong and viable competitor.
>>723097385Most games today can still be played offline just fine, it's moreso that your always connected to the internet anyway. It's like saying Denuvo is fine, but when the servers are jacked up you can't play your single player game. I still don't think it's acceptable today. And now game consoles are trying to go portable with Steam Deck, PS5 handheld doodad, Xbox ROG thingy, Switch/2. Always online for those platforms would defeat thier purpose, no more binging wahoo at 30000 ft.
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It's wild that 70 percent of the first party games and 3rd party collaborations Microsoft had in development in the last 15 years had some sort of development hell either being canceled or coming out 6 years after being announced and they never fixed that problem
>>723098685For any given corporation making a right move is like a 40/60 shot.
How long until consoles die and only PC and Mobile is what's left for vidya?
>>723114445>PlayStation>great gamesPick one, Snoy
>>723118696They're stuck in the mentality Fred Brooks warned about in the '70s. Project going bad? Throw men at it, throw money at it, all the while failing to correct problems with planning and management.
>>723119414Never, future is Console (Nintendo), PC (Valve), and Mobile (Apple and Google), the competition is only going to exist in mobile until Google croaks.
>>723118696Back in the day they bought off studios to not publish their games for Windows. Their thinking was that if people wanted to play games they would have to buy a PC from them and an Xbox.Their logic might be totally different now, I've no idea. Maybe just karma.
>>723097385No?How much paint do you have to huff to believe this?
