Three weeks to release.Were we dropping, boyos?
Oh my god who gives a shitImagine playing anything from paracuck after crusader kings 2, let alone BUYING it
>>723145495wales, wish me luck bros
>>723145495Iran.
>>723145495Byzantium.>but it's bad for beginners, it is hard and requires advanced knowledge of the game mechanicsDon't care, I must live out my VGH, What Could Have Been fantasy
>>723145539I didn't say I was buying it.
>>723145495Naples looks like it could be super fun.
>>723145651You think somehow that makes it better?
>>723145651So you will be wasting internet, disc space and time on yet another reskin of the same gamePlay an actually good grand strategy game for once like field of glory empires/kingdoms
>>723145495Oh wow another paratranny game where they rip out all the years of upgraded mechanics to sell back to you in a shit sequel worse than the previous gameHavent you faggots learned after CK3 and Vicky 3?
>>723145714>Field of GloryI sleep.
>>723145714>yet another reskin of the same gameMight actually be worth it if it was just a reskin but it will actually be a shittier game
>>723145495beneluxgermanyjapan
I think have played enough EU IV to not care about Paradox games anymore
>>723145495Probably one of the big boys like Castile, Sweden, France or Hungary. Might as well play them early while I still have no idea what I'm doing and the game is somewhat challenging. After 100 hours or so I imagine they will all become snooze fests outside of wacko stuff like Norse conversion Sweden. Well not Castile, that's always kino.
12 years ago I found out about the release of EU4 on this board, right before it came out. I pirated it, played one campaign of Muscovy, and then bought it.Obviously I have to play Muscovy again.
>>723145495Paradox first Immersion pack will be about Eastern Rome.They know their byzaboo audience too well. The greek rump state lovers will drive up those deluxe sales.
>>723146156But if you play as muscovy you've got to break the tartar yoke and that's islamophobic and racist.
>>723146126Sweden is considered one of the big ones?
>>723145598You mean the timurids?
>>723145623i am waiting for their dlc first in Q1 2026
>>723145495... and at least 4 years of DLC from being anywhere near complete.
>>723146259Mongols are the same as us.
Maybe in 10+ years, after all or most DLC is out, and at least 50% off.
>>723146483>>723146414You're straight up retarded. eu4 was way more fun in the beginning before all the content bloat and powercreep DLC
>>723146531Regardless, I'm still playing CK2 and EU4.
i also remember stellaris being way better upon release.
>>723146267Usually. If it's anything like EU4 despite starting small they'll have really easy path to explode in power and strong events and flavor. And they don't start under a PU this time round.
>kyivslava ukraini
>>723146716Based
>>723145863If you're thinking of the tactical battle shit then this is differentField of Glory Empires/Kingdoms are actual grand strategy games with detailed economy and nation building and battles are automated
>>723145495muscovy looks surprisingly easy you just eat minors and the duke it out with novgorod, same as eu4
>>723146307FUCK THOSE STEPPE NIGGERS!>Mazandaran Iran ERANSHAHR
>>723147087The Golden Horde seems pretty weak, despite their size, which is historically accurate. However it seems like the other hordes that should replace them (Kazan, Crimea, Great Horde) etc just aren't strong enough or aren't appearing properly leading to Muscovy being quite easy.
>>723147176You've got wait another 10 years for the Persia focus DLC anon.
>>723146716it was Kiev for the last 1,000 years, why is it suddenly Kyiv?how the fuck do you even pronounce it?
>>723147267I know.
>>723145495Tall Portugal, of course.
Portugal, Austria or Ethiopia
>>723146579CK2 was also ruined bybthe DLCSocieties, bloodlines, artifacts, it was all mene shit, frankly Way of Life was already the beginning of the endThe moment it turned into xD I cuck half of europe, then duel them all to death and fuck my sister lmao
i wonder whether or not playing tall is viable with all of these new pop mechanics now.
>>723145495France or England into Franco-English union
>>723147389>EthiopiaBased Negus sebding muzzies back to arabia and controlling the horn of Africa.
>>723145495i always play 1 of these 3 countries in this type of games:>Italy>Poland>GreeceRemaking the Glory of Rome, remaking the Commonwealth, or remaking the awesomeness of Greece. Kino.
I ain't playing until they release the byzaboo DLC. Basileus wearing western regalia just feels wrong. And the units for them being vanilla doesn't help.
>>723147497yep pretty fun campaign in eu4. Will be fun to use the new trading to try and get coffee and spices control early leapfrogging early European colonizing
>>723145495Greenland so i can into Vinland easily AragonByzantiumSome minor HRE state
Don't forget. If you go for the hellenistic revival path as the Eastern Romans even once... You are a nigger.
>>723145495It's gonna be an abysmal dogshit just like the vampareslop. Rest in piss paradox
literally who would even want to play with hellenism, you're basically admitting that you're a cross dressing homosexual unironically.
>>723145495Savoy, it was the nation I learned how to play EU4 on. Has Paradox talked about the mechanics of the Black Death yet?
>>723145495AVSTRIA. the protagonists of history
>>723147748>returning to Indo-European roots and throwing off a Afro-Semetic religion is Sub-SaharanAdmittedly, Christianity is just Hellenic Judaism, and Hellenism already has pretty of syncretism with the East, but still. Weird choice.
>>723145495Papal states
>>723147268it's keeeyev u zigger fuck
>>723146531Ironic post considering EU4 was THE game that gave Paradox its DLC reputation that they still suffer from to this date.
>>723148015Its a cycle. The DLC improves the game for the first few releases. Then it just starts to become pointless bloat. Then they rework base mechanics to make room for more DLC and everything starts tumbling down.
>>723147951greeks inventing christianity is an old meme
>>723147951Renaissance intellectuals made a grave mistake when they categorised Ancient Greece as occidental. It is an oriental civilisation no different than the Persians or Egyptians.
>>723147841Based. All the best roman emperors were christian, it's an undisputable fact!
>oy vey not my judeo-christian civilization again
>>723148145the entire western mindset is built on top of the foundations of aristotle and plato's philosophy
>>723148308You are the one bringing the kikels into the discussion.
>>723148145>>723148470>Muh occident >Muh orientGayreek mental illness.TGD
>>723147465All those spelling errors. You're either mad as fuck so you can't type properly or ESL, or both. I'm not buying, or even pirating EU5 at release.
>Imperator was shit>CK3 was shit>Vicky3 was shit>Surely this time will be different
>>723148897all three were side projects tbf, EU is the definitive game of paradox.
>>723148897EU is their bread and butter IP, they can't afford to half ass or fuck it up. Besides, they've obviously listened to a lot of feedback instead of being hardheaded about their past failures, like them finally moving away from mana systems.
>>723148064Yeah, it's why I stopped playing updated versions of EU4 to just before the mission tree introduction.
>>723148814greeks most likely historically mog what ever form of shit you are
I wonder what the penalty for taking Roma will be for Christian nations this time. It was always a massive pain in the ass for any Italian nation before they formed Italy, or anyone who went to conquer Italy, the Pope was like a permanent problem you couldn't just remove without converting religions.
>>723148993>just buy the gayim goyim, our yt shills said it's good
>>723148897Imperator was easily their best game when they aborted it but they've supported the mod developers to continue working on it
>>723148993>call it something else>problem solvedlol. redditmind.
>>723148814Are you illiterate? My post clearly implies that gayreeks are no better or different than persians or egyptians. >>723148470This is the result of the aforementioned renaissance retcon.
>>723147087With the new food, winter and control mechanics playing in Russia will probably be frustrating.
>>723149095Anon I've seen the footage and screenshots myself, I don't need some smoothbrain jewtuber to form my opinions for meIt looks good
>>723149156let me guess... the jews?
>>723149117>hello I get my opinion from strangers onlnieonly imperator is shit CK3 and VIcky3 is fine now EUIV was trash on release too
>>723148897bro you are 40, why are you impotently seething on mongolian throat singing forum?
>>723149075>It was always a massive pain in the ass for any Italian nation before they formed ItalyNot even remotely a pain in the ass. Just take all other Italian provinces first, then Rome last, hit button to form Italy, no penalty. Popecuck can ask HRE for a bishopric to reform somewhere or fuck off entirely forever. Literally not my problem lol
>>723145495The greatest nation on Earth of course.
>>723149319Zimbabwe?
>>723149172how the fuck you judge the paradox mappainting simulator just by looking at the screenshots, retard
>>723149319Forgot pic ;)
>>723148897Following the dev diaries I can't imagine it being a bad release unless it's buggy as shit. It'll at least be much better than EU4 on release
>>723145495I doubt my CPU would be able to handle it so nowhere
>>723149217I've played all the grand strategy games since CK2 so try again
>>723149069My shithole (France) destroys gayreece and any gayreek subhuman like you even in its current ZOG'D state.>>723149156You're implying in the first place that something was wrong with Persians and Egyptians. They were their own thing with their own goods and bads. It was gayreeks that were malding 24/7 about everything.
>>723145495Looking at how the Victoria grinds to a halt late game. I can only imagine the slowdown in EU5
>>723146126What's the point of playing Castile when the game starts 100 years earlier.
BULLgaria because I never got to play as my country outside CK, HoI Bulgaria is horribly boring.
Is France still nerfed by being broken up into a million microstates? The blue blob was always my least favorite thing in EU3 and EU4
>Stellaris is a bloated mess, which was downgraded cause muh MP balance>HoI IV was casualizedSo what will it be with EUV? My bet is on game shitting itself in like ~1600 because of the pops. And we all know how SHIT pops are in any Paradox game
>>723145495Comfy Portugal game.
>>723145495I just want to wake up and do nothing else than play eu5 all day idgaf where im dropping
>>723149547kek france sucks lol, i thought you were at least a turk which i could somewhat respect.
>>723149627yesottomans are also heavily nerfed in the new start dategolden horde is huge though, I assume they're going to get events that fuck them up
>>723145495Either Castile or England to colonize make hapa rape babies.
>>723145714>B-but muh carbon emissions!Blah blah blah who gives a shit
>>723145495knowing the typical paradox release cycle of "barebones release first, add flavour later" I'll go with one of the countries that has content on release. Mods will then add stuff to the rest of the map
tenochtitlan unironically
>>723149421>Following the dev diaries I can't imagine it being a bad release unless it's buggy as shit. It'll at least be much better than EU4 on releaseCk3 and Vicky 3 would indicate otherwise
>>723149703Yeah, France sucks your mom's lemon pussy or something. That shit is sour, ikibey.
Time to conscript all your minorities and let them camp on a frozen sea
>>723149649>game shitting itself in like ~1600More like on the mid XV Century. Mind you the recommended specs include a high-end CPU from 2023.
>>723149649>My bet is on game shitting itself in like ~1600More like 1450. It doesnt really matter anyway, game just becomes painfuly boring after 1400 like any other paradox game
>>723149915The start date isn't 1444?
>>723148150Except that Augustus mogs them all
>>723149627>>723149712>nerfedNIce 4x brainrot. Thats just their historical state in 1337, they still have their huge potential in mid and late game
>>723149880>>723149915You're right
>>723145495Muscovy, kyiv or portugal
>>7231499721356
>>723149972Its 1337 now (which is retarded but byzanboos will have an easier time now)
i'm retarded what's a byzanboo?
>>723150114like a weeboo but replace anime and manga with byzantium
>reaching last tech is the hardest achievment in ur game>just make it even longer What was their masterplan?
>>723150169are you a weeb?
>>723149980Nerfed doesn't necessarily mean PvP game balance, anon. It just means something is weaker, which can be a good thing for the overall functionality of the game. If we're going entirely by historical record, more of these microstate things could be done, but France and the Ottomans were the frequent snowball problems even when piloted by the shitty AI
>>723150114These retards.
>>723149973>AugustusHe literally had it on easy mode just waiting out the triumvirates doing all his work for him
>>723150204nobody is going to reach the end, because the game will grind to a halt around 1600 probably, because of the huge amount of pops that need calculating
>>723150218No but how is this relevant, you are actually a bit slow huh?
>>723150276no shit
Do Paradox games still cause Windows PCs to freeze completely or did they fix that?
>>723150298just assumed that only an anime fan would know that
>>723150373upgrading to windows 11 solves all issues
>>723148308>judeo-christianglobohomo newspeak
>>723148945>EU is the definitive game of paradox.Yeah, enjoy having to buy 20 DLC's to get the same amount of content you had previously.
>>723150712But that's literally what caused the issue!
>>723150668You must have started browsing this site like a month ago huh? Lurk more before posting giga newfag
>>723145495Bvrgvndy my beloved...
>>723150715Yes, that's the joke you nigger
>>723150885You dont start with PUs on the lowland this time though, they also dont get any special flavor on release. And you are just a vassal of France. Sorry Burgbro
kek at all the EU4 new fags seethingsorry but EU5 will never have mana points and 'click button to increase development' brainlet gameplaywe're going back to EU3 kino
>>723150996It looks like EU3 + Vicky 2, which together with the fact that the devs are not the usual paracuck studio makes me cautiously optimistic about it. I will still wait at least some months before buying it.
>>723150979It was my second country ever in EU3 and always had a special place in my heart, it was the Austria-Hungary of Western Europe
Catalunya or colonial Al-Andalus, as always.
>>723151127>the devs are not the usual paracuck studioThe director is literally Johan. Punished Johan, but still Johan.
>>723151127>he devs are not the usual paracuck studioYes, that devs made the greatest eu4 dlc. The leviathan. Nothing could go wrong here
>>723151243Good. He literally returned from his exile like Napoleon to save gsg genre
>>723150996As an EU4 fag, I don't like mana or deving using mana.If there is anything I'll miss it's the trade system of EU4, because it created interesting incentives for expanding in specific region, if only to control the trade.The new system appears area agnostic for the most part and that's boring.At least they're introducing anti-blobbing mechanics in a heavy handed manner, which I count as a good thing.It was easy to become a god in 50 years in EU4 with nothing to do for the rest of the game.
>>723151201>Austria-Hungary of Western Europeliteral globohomo shithole you mean?
>>723145495Time to reclaim the mainland as an Irish
>>723151310>I'll miss it's the trade system of EU4Thank god they got rid of this shit. I fucking tired of killing england after every burgundian inheritance
>>723147552>Remaking the Glory of Rome, remaking the Commonwealth, or remaking the awesomeness of Greece.BASED Empire builder.
>>723145495I'm never buying anything ever from parashit
>>723145495maybe if the game gets mods ported over to it
>>723151320Hohenzollern cope
/his/fag checking inThe game starts in 1337, not 1444, so the world is quite different.>100 Years WarWe are now starting at the beginning of the 100 Years War between England and France, while in EU4 we started toward the end of it.>Rise of the OttomansThe Byzantines ("muh east rome") are now right at the top of their downward spiral; they are in bad shape, but the things that pushed them into a death rattle haven't happened yet. A little bit of good luck and things could go very, very differently for them-and for the Ottomans.>Indian EmpiresIndia is in a very interesting state in the 1330s; the decline of the Delhi Sultante and the rise of the "big yellow blob" from EU4; Vijayanagara. Really cool time, iirc the first Emperor of Vijayanagara comes around just before 1337.>Pagans in Northern Europe?Parts of northern and eastern Europe remained Pagan here, Lithuania in particular. if you are curious about what was happening in your part of the world (or any part you wanna play in) I will do my best to articulate it
will it run on linux
>>723152087What causes the downfall of the Golden Horde? They're the largest country on the map now and will need some pretty hefty events so they don't eat eastern Europe
>>723152087Tell me about Lithuania anon. They are gonna be my first playthrough but I don't actually know that much about them in this time period beyond them being the last pagan nation in Europe.
>>723152242They were already pretty big in 3 and still consistently collapsed due to the tech gap usually it was to the HRE Bohemia which built up a snake from Prague to Irkutsk
>>723152087>/his/fag checking inThank you for the disclaimer I almost read what you were going to say.
>>723145880I just wanted an eu4 that ran more smoothly and with more content. Already pretty damning the extent they've involved content creators and implemented a pay to shill program, all alongside an embargo on game footage.
>>723152242The Golden Horde are basically the western ming.
>>723145495One of the Irish minors so I can build my 1000 year potatoreich again
>>723148993>like them finally moving away from mana systems.Literally eu4's greatest strength and eu5 will fail without the arcadeyness. The game seems like a much better vic 3 which won't attract the same crowd.
>>723152242Internal instability (horse niggerism)
>>723152837>Literally eu4's greatest strengthit's the worst thing about EU4 and I say it as an EU4fag of extreme proportion
>>723145495Volga Bulgaria if that's an option.Otherwise idk, Novgorod I guess.
Do we have an up to date province and country map? I wanna check if I can play as my home town's citystate or I will have to suffer playing as someone close by.
i don't really care about history. whether or not there are total conversion mods for fictional universes is what will make me buy it or not.
>>723153106Anbennar is transitioning over, certainly, but it will probably take time.
>>723152087what about northern asia/siberia?
>>723151127It looks like an unholy mishmash of ck3, eu4 and vicky 3.
>>723150996Imagine being THIS mentally ill. This is modern paradox. They don't want to go back to "eu3 kino" because Vic3 showed them they can butcher and dumb down their formula for normalfags who don't even like grand strategy games and still make money.
>>723153273I don't see monarchs generating mana, an emphasis on arbitrary modifiers in lieu of actually modeling population and power dynamics or the military system being completely gutted.
>>723153491Yeah instead you have stab mana and diplo mana and and military mana and admin mana that grow out of thin air.
>>723152242Big doesn't always mean strong in EU. You essentially start earlier in the story of the tribefags slowly getting BTFO by the Russians; the "Russia" campaign starts right before the various parts of western Russia start unifying under a Tsar after kicking out the Mongol leftovers.1337 puts us just a couple decade before the death of Berdi Beg, their Khan, in a violent coup. This caused massive internal issues and many rebellions, which you'll be able to take advantage of as enemies of the Horde.>>723152387Lithuania in the 1300s was a weird place. There had been multiple crusades against the Baltics to get rid of paganism, until the rulers (Grand Dukes) of Lithuania converted to bring a stop to them-resulting in a weird situation where it was Christian, but with plentiful pagan worship even in the upper crust of society.The Grand Duke in 1337 was Jaunutis, who's main concern is the fact that his brothers both hate him and want him gone-I imagine this'll be part of the early game content. Depending maybe on which brother you choose, Lithuania then goes a bit crazy with expansion-the decline of the scary mongols to the east leaves a huge power vacuum, and it spans over where you are. You'll basically be surrounded by hostiles, but in a position to act fast and lock yourself in as *the* eastern European power, especially if you manage to eat Poland via marriage.
>>723145495AEIOUbros will we have our historical railroading?
>>723152242with the new control mechanic being big doesn't mean as much as it use to
>>723145495>Three weeks to release.More like in 10 years. The game won't be complete until they have released 100 DLCs.Have fun playing the alpha version of the game, bros.
>>723153226>northern asia/siberiaThe Mongols were still fucking around there as late as the 1290s, however China is headed for the end of the Yuan and the rise of Ming-so plentiful opportunity for some silliness to happen on their frontiers.I don't think Russia tend to really show up in most of Siberia/Northern Asia until the 1500s, so unless the game makes them very powerful there's plenty of time. Mind you, it's unlikely to have much content.>>723153687I doubt there'll be much other than a handful of events/missions being aimed to guide AI.I would like there to be a setting that makes the AI pursue "historically accurate" stuff but I guess it depends what way the "Mission trees" are done, if at all. In EU4 France doing their mission tree would lock other nations out of historical wins so it can get muddy quick.
>>723145495The Arabian tribe my boyfriend is from :)
who should I pick?
>>723154408Eire..... home
>>723153608What's the military and admin mana?
>>723153830I think we'll be seeing some Ante Bellum type borders instead of 1444 100 years into the game.
>>723154474>nitpicking the specifics instead of the argumentPoor form.
>>723154639Maybe I should've clarified that I wasn't the anon you replied to. But I was just curious, I haven't kept up 100% with the game. I know the diplo mana are the diplomats
>>723154639Vicky 2 also had diplo mana, are you going to call it an unholy mishmash of ck3, eu4 and vicky 3?
>>723154639Vicky 2 also had diplo mana generated out of thin air, are you going to call it an unholy mishmash of ck3, eu4 and vicky 3?
>>723154775>>723154846Didn't mean to reply twice.
>>723145623I literally spent a decade of my life playing Byzantium and I'll do it all over again
>>723147552thats the only correct way to play these games.
>>723145495I imagine that a lot of people play the country they live in (or something in that area if it didn't exist back then. Except Americans probably
>>723145495>that germanyso they were always autistic?
>>723155196Americans probably just larp as whatever ethnicity they feel like they belong to that week.
>>723154408wtf is veronawhere is my venice
>>723154846Are you retarded? It had mana generation but it wasn't a mishmash of ck3, eu4 and vicky 3 because none of those games were around when it released. The mechanics were designed for the game, not lifted from other games and mutated for whatever purpose they needed at the time.
>>723152837>manafags in my threadback to civ, trannies
>>723155365only trannies are afraid of mana because they're mentally stunted and can't separate gameplay from reality
>>723155361All paradox games have some sort of timegated resources that are mostly spawned out of thin air. Vicky 2 has diplo points, EU 3 had magistrates, why is it bad and copied from shitty arcade titles like CK3 when EU V has the same mechanic?
>>723147748This is exactly what I'll do and the fact that someone is impotently seething about it makes it even more fun desu
>>723154408I'd be looking at Georgia or Sweden with this setup, maybe an Italian minor like Milan/Florence/Genoa, anything else would be too claustrophobicIf you're memeing then go Kyiv and do a Zelensky larp
>>723155353If you look closer there are teal areas along the northern and eastern Adriatic coast. That's Venice.It's easier to see in the OP image.
What does this have over Crusader Kings?I tried 3 but then I found out you can easily cheese the game by plotting to kidnap the person whose land you want, and then as soon as you get the popup to finalize the abduction you declare war and then instantly win it wihout employing a single unit.
People who think "mana gameplay" is what brings people back to EU games instead of>muh alt history>muh cosy strategy>muh coloniesare absolutely retards who started playing in the last few expansions.The appeal of these games has always been the fact that you can play basically any nation in the world during most of the most interesting points in history.
>>723155454Ironically, abstract power like "administrative resource" is way more realistic than shit like "lel gold" that anti manafags want so much
>>723155526Because it's copied from CK3 because a previous "popular title" had it instead of being there because it makes sense for the game they're trying to make?
>>723152087how fucked is ireland compared to eu4? will it be tutorial island here or is that still strictly crusader kings?
>>723145495Bulgaria to destroy the Second Rome and loot it.Volga Bulgaria to destroy the Third Rome and loot it.Naples honorary Bulgaria to destroy the First Rome and loot it.
>>723155353>wtf is VeronaThe strongest land power in Italy at the time>where is my VeniceI that thin strip of land in front of the Venice lagoon since they still hadn't started their Terra Ferma campaigns, which were only possible due to Verona shitting itself badly.
>>723155712Why doesn't it make sense in EU V while it made sense in Vicky 2? And if they wanted to just copy a popular previous title, they would have just made EU IV again instead of taking the game towards a more simulative approach.
>>723155741What's the expected army size of Byzantium, Ottomans, Serbia and Bulgaria in the early game? Are all of these comparable in strength?
>>723155741>we wuz khans go deeeeba
>>723155901Who even said that it made sense in vicky 2? It doesn't. It was a period when diplomats were respected physical entities. The conversation started because someone said that the game doesn't have mana. It does actually have mana. That's the end of that conversation. We're going off track to speculating about paradox intentions when there's no such thing as their intentions. They design what their subreddit, discord and forums screech about a few weeks ago.
>>723150114My wife
>>723156149>The conversation started because someone said that the game doesn't have mana.I said it doesn't have "monarchs generating mana", if you can't read and then get mad it's not my fault.
>>723150114this
>>723156316Ok so it doesn't have monarchs generating mana? Instead it has the air generating mana? Like Vicky 3?
>>723145495Portugal is always comfy for me
>>723147841>giordano brunolovers of science of course
>>723156440Like every single Paradox game, yes.
>>723155726Ireland is worse off by 1444 for sure.It's in the aftermath of the Bruce invasion (ended 1318) which absolutely ravaged the country. Ulster in particular was very poorly affected, and a few years before the game starts the very powerful Earldom of Ulster fell apart when its ruler died. The resultant succession war saw them lose most of their lands to the neighbouring Gaelic lords who retook their lost territory.As a result; Power Vacuum time. Remember, England is about to *start* the 100 years war-historically they didn't really manage to conquer Ireland for another nearly 300 years. Looking at picrel, your main contenders will be:>Tyrone (TÃr Eoghain)Seat of the powerful and very old O'Neill dynasty, these are the closest thing to Ireland's Habsburgs-seen by many as the most legitimate claimaints to the throne "High King." The collapse of the earldom of Ulster will make the rest of the region easy pickings for you.>England/the PaleEngland's holdings in Ireland are part of the "Lordship of Ireland", still a Papal Title at this stage. You're isolated, without any friends (unless you can reel in the Hiberno-Normans), and about to start a devastating fight with France. Uphill fight for sure.>Munster/Desmond/ThomondThis is a weird one, because I don't think "Munster" should exist. Munster was ruled by the O'Briens, the dynasty of Brian Boru (guy who ended the Viking Age in Ireland) but it was split into Thomond/Desmond after a war between the O'Briens and their rivals. Anyway, the south is contested between the O'Briens, assumedly the MacCarthys.
>>723156440>air generating manaWhat "mana" does air create in victoria 3?
>>723156526Yes. Because it's a frankenstein stitched together from the corpse of their older games.
>>723156492>hellenism>brings up Italian monk who started his own branch of gnostic philosophy
>>723156491>zero risk of land war because buddies with castile>early rush on colonialism>building comfy mega-empiremy one worry is that now colonies are limited by pops it will be garder to make grobportugal
>>723156627That's like saying that Vicky 2 is stitched together from HoI2 and Vicky 1 because it's set in the age of Colonialism and you move units around the map lol.
>>723145495Yes
>>723156606Diplomats that you throw at another country in exchange for +-relationship number.
>>723156698>zero risk of land war because buddies with castileThis shit pisses me off so much in 4, this period saw a ton of wars between the two and in-game the relationship is represented by a fucking historical friend bonus
>>723156716If you're retarded and can't understand nuance I gues you'd see it that way.
>>723156835I'm sorry you only played Vicky 3 and think that it was the title that invented timegated resources in GSG, when it's something that has been in every single Paradox title.
>>723147268Its pronounced Київ, and I dont understand why any cares about the spelling of a tag thats just going to get annexed by the mongol hordes within three hours of gameplay.
>>723156980I don't think like that and I already said as such multiple times?
>>723156698>my one worry is that now colonies are limited by pops it will be garder to make grobportugalI'd just ignore unsettled American land unless there's nothing better to do, in mayo Mexico and some ports in Brazil for Indian routes are plenty good as it is, though not as grob
>>723157041>tag thats just going to get annexed by the mongol hordes within three hours of gameplayIts literally the time in which the mongol rump states shat themselves. KYIV and Galicia were annexed by Lithuania after the nomads left
>>723157075>I don't think like thatThe why are you claiming that a standard paradox game mechanic was copied from a single recent game when it was in every title they developed in the past 20 years?
>>723157224Do the Rus states start independent or are they vassals/tributaries to the horde?
Calling Kiev Kyiv is kinda retarded but im willing to play along just to spite the ziggers
Desu this older starting date looks much more interesting than 1444, though I suspect 95% of all games will end by 1500 making this defacto high medieval era game
>>723157361Most of them are still under the tatar yoke but AI Golden Horde has no chance reigning them in
>>723145495Don't give Paradox any of your money, just pirate it if you want to see how much worse it is.
>>723157283Because it's a more reasonable assumption that they copied it from a more recent game considering that they also copied the 3D models from CK3 instead of the 2D models of CK2?
>>723145539>>723145714>>723145880filtered newfags
>>723145495here are my predictions of what we will see once released>some fundamental mechanics not working properly or not working at all>performance issues starting at the mid game>game breaking bugs>features from earlier games are missing>day 1 dlc roadmap
>>723157431I fear that having to deal with the plague every game at the start if you play in Europe will get repetitive. That and the AI might not deal with it very well
How long will it take people to figure out breeding programmes for maximum pop generation and ethnic replacement?
>>7231585503 hours after release
>>723149271>bruh just consoom product and get excited for next product frfr
>>723150738>enjoy getting 15 years of post launch support from a full development team I will.
>>723152837based spellcasting enjoyer
>>723150738>same amount of content you had previously.You never play eu games
>>723149712>ottomans are also heavily nerfed in the new start dateI hope they find a way for AI Otto to work without heavy-handed railroading/scripting/cheating.
>>723145495Mandatory Byzantium game. Then France. Then play neither for the next year because Parajew already announced DLC for them.Then Novgorod/Moscow or Navarre
>>723148145This is true. I want nothing to do with the descendants of German barbarians that claim our legacy as theirs.t. Greek
>>723160112Are Lucky Nations removed? It was absurd that that setting had to be kept as historical if you wanted to play for cheevos.
>>723160242t.urk
>>723145495can't wait for this shit honestly
>>723147268It was Constantinople for 1500 years, and then it was Istanbul.
>>723145495Yep I'm thinking it's another Portugal colonialism rush game
Poland like every GS game.>>723145539What are you buying Mr. Good Taste?
No thanks Still playing EU3
>>723163339Your guy lost against the master.
>>723147678
>>723156698>now colonies are limited by popshow does that work?
>>723145495Granada. Yes I will be restoring Al-Andalus
>>723163873I assume you played EU4, but for others who didn't I'll explain it too.In EU4, colonisation worked like this:>choose a province>if it is within your range (naval tech/advisors) and you have a free colonist, you press "colonise">the province is now owned by you, and will slowly become a "colony" based on a combination of your national ideas/tech/eventsIn EU5, everything is about pops; every person that moves to a colony is someone who formerly lived somewhere else. In EU5, colonisation (given that you've discovered the new world-that also works differently now) process is now:>explore the land>once explored, choose a province>pay for a colonial charter (up front fee+monthly cost)>choose a province for the settlers to travel there from>it slowly grows over timeBut in that last part, instead of it being>expansion ideas gives +settlers from thin airall those people have to come FROM somewhere. So if you come from a smaller country with less population-you'll be weaker at colonisation, since you cannot just spawn colonists from thin air. Conversely, if your laws allow for conquered natives in the new world to become citizens-then yeah, your colonies will grow faster. You also choose what happens to each colonial subject that forms; keep it annexed, play as them, integrate it into a different subject, etc.>tl;drAll people in the game are listed as pops; before colonists came from thin air, now every single colonist has to come from somewhere-aka, they have to exist in your nation elsewhere. Portugal is smaller than Spain, with a lower population. Therefore, if Spain and Portugal try to colonise the same area-Spain will probably do it faster, and win.
>>723155741Are you the old steppenwolf mod dev or something
>Paradox niggas when they open EU V and it's just Imperator: Rome 3.0.
>>723164504>Therefore, if Spain and Portugal try to colonise the same area-Tordesillas stopped this though, EU4 had something like that for the Catholics
>>723164504You're missing one last thing, the reward.In EU4 you colonize one Caribbean colony, and bam it's +10 development making money for youIn EU5 you colonize a province, and it's... 1000 pops working the province.
>>723164752There's an expanded Tordeillas in Eu5 so yeah, most of the time it probably won't happen.
I hope they expanded the military tactics elements this time around, that always felt the most underbaked in EU4 compared to the rest of the game. I'm not expecting HOI levels of combat autism, but god damn, give me SOMETHING to work with
>>723164831a far more realistic depiction of how colonization worked
>>723164752Yep, it's in this game too. Dev used an example where Sweden and Portugal are the two colonial big dogs, and this is them dividing the world up.To successfully colonise a province, you need>1000 pops of your primary culture or religionTo found a colonial nation, you have to do that in every province lised in a charter. This means that those places with a shitload of natives in South America will be harder to colonise (unless you wipe them out) than places with sparse population.
>>723145495>Recommended>Memory: 32 GB RAM>Excel spreadsheet gameYou just know the launch will the absolutely a dumpster fire.
>>723165321will absolutely be*
>>723164747That would be a good thing
>>723149712>nerfed nigga they literally gain land for free in the game If anything is nerfed here then it's the Byzantines because everyone around them has a "take over the empire" CB on them. Good luck getting any alliances.
>>723165321It'll be CPU bound because of pop autism and constantly updating stuff.Victoria 3 isn't visually demanding and its the same.
>>723164978>treaty is dynamicVGH.....
>>723164904Yes, which is a massive Portugal nerf.
>>723156808>historical friend bonusYeah that was atrocious, but I don't see how AI Castile could lose against AI Portugal like happened IRL.
>>723163508?Read their national anthem bro.They entered G20 recently.
>>723165495My V3 fucking shatters whenever a war starts when it has to calculate the frontlines, joke of a game
Eastern Rome will grow larger.
>>723158550The real question is, will it be like vic 2-3 where you need your culture pops in the state you want to assimilate?
>>723165650They could start by including my fuarking hero
>>723165321It doesn't actually need 32GB. It's just that once the system exceeds 16 the only possible upgrade is to double it.I only have 1 browser tab open and I'm already using 9GB, idk how you niggas live on less than 32.
>>723165650>>723156808They'll probably just handle it via events where Castile or Portugal get claims or CBs on each other that ruin that ironclad friendship.Also>add pereiraHe'll probably be a general or advisor added via event. They need to give Portugal something to do between 1337 and exploration.
>>723166043If I remeber corrextly in EU IV you get a CB to make Castile/Portugal a PU.
>>723164978>1000 pops of your primary culture or religion>To found a colonial nation, you have to do that in every province lised in a charter.No the actual reason it is hard to colonise areas with natives is because in addition to needing 1000 pops in each location, 36% of the population in each location needs to be your primary religion and 36% of the population in each location needs to be your primary culture. Getting to 1000 guys in a location ain't going to mean much when there's already 20000 local natives in the area.Back in the early dev diaries they also mentioned that where you could colonise was not restricted so you could try and reverse colonise europe if you could somehow output enough pops into their locations. Not sure if that's still implemented
>>723166153i forget to mention it's not just the natives that are a problem. when you start to colonise an area it's not locked to you so other nations can try and outcompete you. this will obviously make it harder to reach that 36% threshold. And if you somehow manage to lose the race and the competing nation hits the threshold before you, they get ownership of the area. This also means all the pops you sent there are now citizens of that foreign nation so you don't get them back lmao
>>723166418>This also means all the pops you sent there are now citizens of that foreign nation so you don't get them back lmaoWhat about colonial wars?
DId they showcase somewhere how peace treaties work?
>>723166485what do you mean?
>>723166534Do they work the same as EU4?
>>723166741how you can yoink all their territory in a colonial area? that i do not know.
>>723145495France is the objectively correct option>in a messy situation at the start with the hundred years war>surrounded by other major powers so there's at least something to temper you away from eating up a million minor states>plenty of opportunity to get involved in european land wars of all kinds>Mediterranean remains relevant to you>plenty of opportunity to engage in the exploration and colonialism that is the game's whole conceitThey have everything and therefore are the best thing to play initially. The only downside is it being too easy to be too strong as France, but that's less of a concern on your initial run.
I will play as Poland and die to Bohemia as is per tradition in EU3.
>>723164857There's going to be a supply line system and you can sort of design your army composition by left flank/center/right flank. Initiative and filling the front line seems way more important for combat calculations now than whoever just has the most shock pips. The new systems do look better so far just off the previews but like every paradox game I'm sure the AI is gonna be too stupid to make proper use of any of it.
>>723148897Imperator was simplistic but got the core loop of blobbing with other mechanics that are all built around your blobbing right.CK3 did have better core mechanics than CK2, regardless of how easy they made the game or the lack of eventbloatBoth of these bode well for EU5. Vicky 3 was obviously unsalvagable dogshit but you know.
>>723167249>eventbloatActual retard.
>>723167351Try to formulate an actual argument instead of sperging out
>>723167230That's really cool and all but I feel like it will end up being like CK where it still ends up being bigger number wins lol. It could be more important in border regions like Eastern Europe where you can face Western armies as much as horse archer Eastern armies.Plenty of countries have unique units which I hope will feel kino to use, I already liked the unique units in 4, that shit was a dopamine hit.
>>723167489>where it still ends up being bigger number wins lol.As it should. Knowing the meta army setup should not let you win every fight effortlessly. A proper strategy game is about getting more dudes there for the fight than your opponent and then rolling the dice.
>>723167402your joke of a bait doesn't deserve an argument.
>>723145495The Most Serene Republic of Venice. I will amass my fortune at the expense of the dying Byzankek "Empire" and abort the Turk menace in its infancy
>>723167842>retard mad that his bloated slop gets called bloated>can't even formulate a reason why he's mad, just gets angryAs I thought
>>723145495On holiday and don't get back till the 14th.
>>723168127you're assuming anger where there's none because you're projecting your own anger :^)
>>723168052All 154 of them?
>>723168052Holy basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH5ccW1_DUg
>>723168052>Playing as a jew
>>723154408Go for Novgorod.
>142 hours to get to year 1500I don't have time for these games anymore :/
>>723145495Nowhere. If they ain't releasin' on gog, i ain't buyin'.
>>723147791that game has nothing to do with map painter paradox devs
B U L L G A R Y A N S
>>723164978>exchange sidesThis shit seems hilarious to me, imagine giving the other power concessions after concessions but in the end you press the magic "flip the board" button and since you're chill with the pope you get to claim 90% of the americas
Do we have any information on the Barbary pirates? Will you get your ass raided by them nonstop?
>>723147791She is a 4/10 and always will be. No amount of makeup on planet earth will be able to convince me of otherwise.
>>723146716
>>723147176this nigga lookin zesty
>>7231694984/10 on what planet?Shes a 1/10 at best
>>723149792No? Both of those were, rightfully, shat on when the dev diaries were posted.EU5 didn't have that kind of reaction.
>>723145495Timurids into Mughals sounds good. Gotta teach jeets to not eat poo and save the world in advance
>>723145539You mean three? Two was ludo.
>>723145495CAHM ON INGERLAND, SCOAR SOME FACKIN COLONIES!
>>723145539...buying it?
>>723168774no Italians (Christian Jews)
>>723169965You're making the same mistake every power that conquers India makes.
>>723169942>Muh dev diariesGo fuck yourself
>>723169965this is how your descendents end up as a brown ruling class totally indistinguishable from the brown slave class to everyone but themselves. >SAAR I AM SHARTMIN YOU ARE DILSHART, I AM RULER
I wonder if Casimir the Great will be hard coded to have no son so the Jagiellonians could rise and form the Commonwealth
>>723145495i played a bit of ck3 and vic3 and liked bothhow is this different? what's the focus here?
>>723171229basically everything, it partially has dynasties and characters from ck3 and populations and productions from victoria 3
>>723156178>CE
>>723170918They might do what MEIOU did and give you several options like: trying to legitimize a bastard son, naming one of his daughters as heir, etc.>>723171229>what's the focus here?It takes place from the start if the Renaissance all the way to the start of the Industrial Revolution. The main focuses are: expanding and slowly modernizing your country, exploring and colonizing the world, and producing and trading goods and resources.
>>723172018The mods suck ass. I downloaded some of the "best" ones recently for euiv and they all suck.
>>723145495It doesnt matter cause the first 20ish hours minimum are just going to be me looking through tabs and learning shit. So I expect alot of time as "safe" nations like Bohemia and portugal. That being said my first real campaign will certainly be one of the Italian states like Florence. Or Hesse. A nation I have a real soft spot for in Eu4.
Paradox say they don't want to hardcode events but they have to harcode Burgundy, it's a very important country that led to Spain being involved in Central Europe
>>723172265Anbennar is kind of the best mod for EU4. But this is 4chan so I have to give the caveat that its in the DnD setting roughly and that means things like near total sexual equality. Women reguallly lead nations and armies. Alot of the most important charecters in lore are women like Corin. That being said theres like a millsion nations so you can avoid the girl boss nations liek gemracurt and play as the based lich gobbo Dak. Or play Grombar and litterrly force the creation of a half orc nation by forcing marriage and breeding between orcs and humans in a fucked up eugenics program. Or play Jadd and get freaky with hapry ladies.
Will there be Jannu events?
Byzantium sucks
I'm going Japan because the jew fears the chadmurai
how far east do these games go? can you play aryan/scythian/yamnaya
>>723176921about as far east as you can go on a globeif you want the hidden nations on a flat map you are out of luck. johan is globepilled
>Boot it up>It's imperator rome 2Fuck yes
>>723145495I wouldn't even expect it to start on release date, Paradox games always needed a few more months until they're acceptably playable.
>>723145495MoortugalWhile I will bend the knee and trust in Johan, the measure by which I'll judge is if I can recreate what the Portugese did IRL; setting up feitorias and taking small islands to create a strangle on trade and be as Jewish as a Catholic can be.MEIOU mod for EU4 comes close but not quite right, mainly in the small professional army btfo savages department, but EU5 looks like it can get that final price of the puzzle in
I hope vassal gameplay is good because I want to play as Wales
>>723178538>mainly in the small professional army btfo savages departmentMakes me wonder how tech will work in EU5. Will it be the same?
>>723145495Asia main here, which European country lets me play tall and be a happy merchant? I don't like wars in Europe because there is too much shit there.
>>723179279Portugal and Holland into Netherlands. But with with Holland you'll have to deal with European wars and the HRE, while with Portugal you can basically ignore Europe except for Castile.
>>723179279If you want to be in Europe but are TERRIFIED of conflcet. Like the other anon said portugal. In EU4 its trivial to keep castille as a buffer for practically ever. If your iwlling to have SOME war than the british isles. Unify it as England then sip tea laughing at the continent.
>>723179139From what I've seen with tech and how military buildings work, your small professional army from Europe will be able to land and demolish an Indian horde or 5 with a tech advantage.I suspect as tech seems to be tied with clergy like vic2 Catholic Europe treating them with kid gloves for the first 150 years will have them take a noticeable tech lead
>>723179912>Unify it as EnglandNice noobtrap. You literally start at beginning of the 100 year war with France. And Scotland seems stronger this time and will be 100% allied to France
>>723179279You can play as banks. I think you can also play as the Hanseatic League this time around? Other than them there's the Netherlands, Portugal, Venice and Genoa. You could also try Burgundy, some other Italian minors, breaking off as a vassal of France or Castile is also an option.
>>723180103Just give up the mainland obviously. You dont HAVE to keep it. Also even if scotland is stronger and allied to France your navy and stronger power will almost certainly be enough. That being said I dont know how they are handling the 100 year war in this. Maye simply giving up the mainland is impossible for some weird reason.
I'll be too busy playing CK3 with the All Under Heaven Expansion. I will be taking over China with my dead culture of choice, the Picts.
Have they timegated colonising?
>>723169965Timur should have genocided india tbÕ°
>>723180295Pops need to actually move from your nation to the colonies. You also seemignly kinda claim land and it spreads. Or something. But no you cant magically colonize the inland of America by 1600 anymore... probabbly. It also makes colonizing as very small nations interesting to me. Im unsure you could take say brittany and colonize half the east coast before your homeland is depopulated.
>>723180157Oh, and you can form Belgium too.
>>723180419I was more wondering do you need to wait until ~1490 to start colonising?
>>723181417Im not sure but probably. I actually dont know how European ship designes could make the journy in the 1300s. For the players its probabbly a boon. More time to get ready to colonize instead of portugal, spain getting a free head start.
>>723177389We already had Imperator: Rome 2. This is I:R 3.
when does review embargo lift
>>723145495>Kyiv
>Countries with small populations won't be able to colonize half the world anymorethank god for that.
>>723168052For God and profit.
>>723145598This larp is sad.
>>723179729>>723179912You guys know Castile is Portugal with extra steps and a lot more power, right? Just annex the rest of the peninsula and put some forts on the Pyrenees and you're playing the better Portugal
>>723181417Technically no, but you can't send out exploration expeditions across the open sea until you get this tech which is timegated.So if you're in Russia or China and you want to colonize Siberia, AFAIK you can do that day 1. Or if you're in Portugal and you want to colonize Africa/Asia, you might be able to hug the coastlines and inland seas and get there earlier. But if you want to colonize America as England on day 1 you can't do that.But colonizing is expensive. It's more of a long term investment. like IRL it's usually a gigantic money sink that doesn't pay off for a long time. But supposedly if you set up stuff like the triangle trade it becomes stupidly profitable.
>>723145495the crown of aragon alwaysthen smolensk then probably serbia then probably rome, maybe wales at some point
Are they simulating the slave trade at all in this game? That seems like a big no no in 2025 but it was also a huge part of how wealth was extracted from the Caribbean since most of the natives there died of disease and the pop system necessitates representing that more than ever.
>>723145713He said "let alone buying it", implying that buying it makes it worse, so yes
>>723184206You can whore yourself out to other nations for favours, and use their pops (like countries such as Denmark did) but in your mind you'd know those guys settling new lands aren't your people.
>>723184487Im operating under the idea that anon doesnt want war pretty much ever, outside his own terms. As portugal you can effectivly sit there all game doing nothing with Castile as a barrier.
>>723184817It's basically slave simulator. The earlygame meta in this game is playing Muslim and raiding for tons of slaves because it steals pops and adds them to your cities. Euros can build slave markets in other countries' provinces that harvest local oogaboogas and turn them into trade goods that can be shipped wherever you have buildings that employ slaves. The lategame meta is having 9999 plantations full of slaves that churn out every expensive good and cornering all the markets with your slave empire.
I don't care.I only care about having a medieval Sims game. CK3 was actually great for larping as a Norman era custom character. How are the EU5 custom characters? What are my options? How much time is spent on boring numbers shit and how much time is spent on interpersonal drama?
>>723184206Not so fast.
>>723184817They did slavery in Vicky 3 and Imperator Rome, so I don't see why they wouldn't. I know the Barbary Slave Trade is in the game so no doubt the Triangle Trade will be.
Denmark is gonna be EU5's byzantium this time around, right
>>723145598huh, Phil does look like the Shah of Iran
>>723185185It's nothing like Crusader Kings. Characters exist as set dressing.
>>723165586Only if the game doesn't fuckin' work. The "benefit" for colonization would be the cash crops that you would receive from the colonies. It's 1000 pops, sure, but those 1000 pops are working on sugar or gold or spices instead of working on fuckin' barley or something lame lik ethat.
>>723184342The midair blood trail left behind by his anime sword technique is pretty cool though ngl.
>>723184817Slavery is literally meta
>>723167063I wonder if you'll get to pull off Charles VIII's invasion of france which pretty much kicked off the Italian Wars
>>723165586Portugal doesn't even make most of its money from "colonizing" the way you're thinking, there's a separate mechanic for building trading posts and spreading maritime control all over Asia which is where all the money is. Brazil would be more of a long term investment where you gradually build up pops and slaves to snowball into a big plantation industry
>>723185582>invasion of franceInvasion FROM France, I mean. France invaded italy. Almost damn occupied the whole peninsula. Only lost because of EL GRAN CAPITAN
>>723146593lmao stellaris was absolute dogshit day 1, and with time it changed into different flavors of dogshit
>>723185237i wonder how economic growth is going to work in eu5vic3 is all about capital and industrializationeu5 period is way more gradual
>>723185762Vicky is about building up industrial capital to turn rich artisans into poor craftsmen, EU5 seems to be more about building up pre-industrial capital to turn subsistence farmers into rich artisans (or slaves)
>>723184993The danes aren't exactly racially loyal. They have never really been racially loyal to each other.
>>723185165incredibly based but also a problem for my ethnostate plans
>>723171983CE is good for triggering tradcuck larpers
>>723185915>honorable knights of dixie when they learn the profit potential of importing the entire population of guinea to their hometown
>>723160510Many "Turks" are our cousins, yes. Very unfortunate that they got forcefully converted.
>>723185483>>723185623My point is that in 4 you just rushed the New World and set up a bunch of colonial nations and gobbled up the entire continent and became a superpower with millions of men ready to fight for the empireIn 5 you are massively gated by your low population and colonizing won't fix it
>>72318418331st October.
>>723186182Well that's true. But isn't that a good thing? It's too easy in EU4. Portugal was never a superpower historically, it should be more tense with the eternal Castilian right there cornering you.
>>723186182colonizing can fix your low population, but not by much. It's also too expensive to be viable.
>>723148897Imperator right now is great. Invictus is overrated as fuck btw.Vicky 3 right now is great too.Stop throwing opinions about games you don't feel like learning.
>>723186182The solution is to revert to Islam and righteously take slaves from the world's heathen kings, inshallah Portugal superpower by 1430.
>>723185463Thanks, friend. I'm not being sarcastic, it's just nice to know the game isn't for me.
Why does greenland need to "rediscover" the canadian coast? They really don't want them colonizing.
>>723186410>Portugal was never a superpower historically,It absolutely was. Not in Europe, sure, but the portuguese just about utterly dominated africa and asia for a long-ass time until the dutch arrived and stole it.
>>723186182people need to understand that most of settler colonization wasn't driven by rational interestsin americas basically only carribeans+brazil (thanks to the triangle trade), future mexico and peru (thanks to the silver and actual natives remaining)portugal style of colonies (trading outposts basically) is probably the winning play sending own pops overseas is just not good
>>723187030>in americas basically only carribeans+brazil (thanks to the triangle trade), future mexico and peru (thanks to the silver and actual natives remaining) were profitable
>>723185623It'll be nice if the late game colonial maps actually look more true to history with countries controlling continuous sections of North or South America instead of the awful blobs that are seen in EU4.
>>723186504Alhamdulillah we are so back
>>723145495Don't give Paradox any money
One last campaign, where am I dropping?
>>723186921>not in Europe, sureYeah that's what I meant. A "superpower" would be a power head-and-shoulders above the rest, like Victorian Britain or the 20th century United States. But compared to the other world powers they were at best a peer, at worst second-rate. Even with EU5 mechanics you can utterly dominate Africa and Asia because of maritime mechanics+trading posts+naval superiority. You don't need to conjure magical fake population to btfo Indian navies and take Goa for example. But you'll never be able to contest the Spanish in a land war (unless you conquer them I guess) so that presents a real threat.
>>723187436>A "superpower" would be a power head-and-shoulders above the rest, like Victorian Britain or the 20th century United StatesThat's a dumb comparison. Following your logic, the Romans weren't a superpower, nor were the Chinese. Being the top cat of two continents is plenty enough to be a "superpower"
>>723187030more land is always goodprobably not in the game since I don't think it will represent resource deposits like Vicky 3 does
>>723187347If you can stomach the lag of having effectivly the entire world in, Verne. They are now pretty mary sue but extreame lore rich as they run around the entire world stealing monuments and shit. The harpies in the north are cute being a sort of vassal nation where you fuck human men and trolls.
>>723186182My experience with colonies in 4 is them either losing all their territory to natives before I even realize it because they don't call me to war or killing each other when I have multiple colonies too close instead of colonizing or fighting natives, and when called to my wars sitting around with their land armies in their own territory while sending small fleets of trade ships to die in the Mediterranean
Do people already have a good idea of the gameplay? Will there be any major changes or additions to EU4?
>>723187562Not that anon but by current understanding of super power you need to have a truly global prescense and ability to influecne and control the world. So in a way there are no super powers pre 1700. At least by modern definition. Rome could massivly infulence Europe, Asia, and Africa. But had no say over the Americas or really most of Asia. But yes really Rome is a super power by its time periods standards.
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>>723188038dig that archive wagie
>>723187562I guess I'm going off the realist definition of "great power" which is a power that can hold its own in a total war against the most powerful state in the world. And by that logic a superpower might be a great power so strong it nearly monopolizes power, like a class of great powers above the great powers. Hence "super"power.Portugal could never hold its own in a war against Spain, which played out historically, let alone any other powers we put into the equation, so yeah I find it hard to say it was a "superpower". Yeah it was definitely rich and had a big empire raking in profits from many different places, and punched above its weight in naval warfare many times, but at the end of the day the Spanish rolled over them. A superpower should've been able to defeat Spain on its own, not lose even with the support of other great powers.
>>723162431Why’d they change it?
>>723172525Abennar is the worse mod and is hilariously leftist, with orcs and ogres killing and eating people and you're supposed to tolerate them because it's just part of their culture and etc.Also "total sexual equality" LOL. You mean every single nation's history has women that were SO important but not men. They even do the "at least I'm not racist/sexist" thing where evil demon worshiping bent on destroying the world are still matriarchal or deliberately not racist/sexist because you know killing everyone is left-approved as long as you follow their politics. Harpies kidnap and rape men and that's okay because when women rape men it doesn't count! Inb4 "lol wish that were me!"Your post is too well-written to just be an underage puppet. Are you deliberately acting in bad faith trying to shill it or are actually blind to this kind of thing? I image EU5 will be no different.
>>723186474>Vicky 3 right now is great too.
At the very least, wait until actual reviews come out talking about how buggy, broken and half-finished it is just like everything Paradox publishes before you waste your money.
>>723188875Nah you have it wrong. Anbennar's world is a gay<->racist spectrum, which is fitting because the developers and players are all somewhere on another spectrum.
>>723188875They try to handle alot of your complaints in sane ways. Yes harpies rape men and its seen as bad excluding the canon monster fuckers whcih would totally exist hell some hapries litterly KILL AND EAT mates afterwards. For alot of the harpy tags a big part of their story is how they deal with this as a nation and culture. Naleni takes a sort of almost hobgoblin approach where they have humans sort of become one culture under them. One of the harpy nation literly sets up free whore houses where you can fuck harpies. There are important men in the setting. Wex, Jadd, Dak, all the Silmunas. There is a clear bias towards having girl boss lesbians though, cause obviously they would do that shit. Grombar is a nation that is very heavily contested and talked about since its a literal forced eugenics program to merge orcs and humans. But like what do you want man. Its based off DnD and you can play as a female warrior in it.
Do you not get bored of map painters?
>>723145495Horde Muscovy just so i can keep razing Kieef and release them so i can do it again i an few years OVER and OVER for centuries those banderite neo-nazis deserve nothing less.
>>723188875Nothing is forcing you to tolerate orcs, they are glorified slaves that cause unrest on provinces, so purging them is the better option at the cost of devastation. You also get the option to purge any race you want, and there are nations that have to get rid of undesirables one way or another. Sounds like you can't RP at all, that is the whole point of Anbennar, nigger.
>>723145495wait shouldn't Normandy be under England?
>>723188875Lol that's totally hilarious and literally describes dnd to a tee. But also, i think it could kind of work if humans were a constant minority amongst crazy savages and the humans never managed to gain permanent footholds anywhere and were basically just permanently fighting for their lives to have any place that could be called theirs and could be thought of as safe in a world filled with literal monsters that were uber powerful and aggressive and actually could easily murder them whenever. In such a scenario, it would be less "okay" and more "necessary" to try and keep the crazy maneating monsters at bay aa much as (humanly) possible. Not out of choice, but necessity.
>>723189095Come on, you know just like i do that literally every single paradox fan out there is buying this day one. That's just a given, really. This is literally the big nut, this is paradox' literal number 1 moneymaker.
Maybe I'll play it when it's finished 5 years from now
>>723189461>>723189197Literally one of the "tolerance" options is "Appeasement must work," (which is portrayed as a positive thing, not a mockery of Chamberlains) any event where you pick a bad option for minorities always gives you negatives instead of bonuses, tolerance always gives you bonuses and non-tolerance always gives negatives, and pretty much all mission trees that aren't just "kill everyone" require you to jump through hoops to "Accept X Culture" or "Have Advisors of Y Culture" and such.It's incredibly poorly written left wing fanfiction from people who only picked up DnD after they started adding Trigger Warnings to books.Zokka is a Gnoll trying to eat the sun and kill everything. What's his title? "Emperor?" "Pack Lord?" "Lord of Lords?" No it's "Pack Lord of Lords and Mistresses" because even our genocidal villain has to show that he's totally NOT sexist though so killing everyone is okay! Do you not see how "Significant Other" that is? No human being talks like this unless it's for politics.I can only imagine once you're in so deep in this culture that things like this stop standing out so you just gloss over them.
>>723190057This anon gets it.
>>723190101I can't tell if you're just larping or really this obsessed but the gnolls are normally matriarchal, that's why it's a flex to be lord of mistresses, male rulers are very rare (because they're evil baby eating demon worshipers)there's a literal genocide button dedicated to cleansing the earth of the races you don't like, and several tags designed to use it, not sure what else you want broski. just play in the dwarovar and kill greenskins simple as
>>723190101You realize genociding the native population of a location MIGHT have some bad consequences for the economical output of that location right? Also the gnolls are hyenas and you know those are a literal matriarchal society right? Like chill out dude.
>>723190057That'll be $2,000 plus tax.
Respectfully Disagree
>>723190101Next thing you'll tell me is that kobolds are transgender for trying to larp as dragons.
>>723190342>>723190318On please, "oh, you don't have to do it" bullshit, like I said practically every mission tree requires you do tolerate and accept cultures and trying to do anything else gets you negative modifies and negative events. Anbennar is so poorly made that everything's railroaded as hell, so deviating from whatever the mission tree writer wanted basically ends the game there. The other options are only there as bait.>>723190724They couldn't help themselves but add various gay events/mission/flavor text to various nations, so it wouldn't surprise me. I do know for Kobolds whenever there's a genius inventor or anything they make it a point to say SHE/HER, so it wouldn't surprise me if they had that in mind.The writers is clearly trying to push an agenda and arguing otherwise is arguing in bad faith.
>>723188281>power that can hold its own in a total war against the most powerful state in the world. Like the Ottomans? Which the Portuguese repeatedly beat? They also had a bunch of victories against the Spanish too.
my hand's already too fucked up (rsi) to play much of v3. dunno if i can handle eu5 on top of that.
>>723190958Then play Aelnar, pick one of the men and commit genocide with enoragment from the tree. Play lankar and commit genocide. Play the trolls and eat everyone. Play the command and commit total cultural genocide on the humans. Play pretty much any dwarven hjold and commit genocide on the greenskins. Hell play any tag pull a "I dont accept this as canon" with the MT and commit genocide and a male nation. There are a solid few nations that hate everyone. There are some that barely care about any. Or dont. Close the thread and disenage from something you dont like.
>>723191215What are you, on the mod team? How do you know all these names off the top of your head?
>>723191089You have my sympathies.
>>723191281It's called playing video games. If you spend less time being butthurt about real life politics you gain more time to do that.
>>723191403I've spent less time complaining then they did corrupting a good idea (Fantasy Setting EU4) with their political bullshit. Hopefully someone takes the same idea and makes a better version.
>>723189035t. poorfag who can't run it
>>723191504>Hopefully someone takes the same idea and makes a better version.I agree, but mainly because the concept was designed for EU4 and porting it directly to EU5 will be shit. The whole thing will be a rehash full of "member this thing from EU4?" anyway. I don't care whatever their political views are I just hope someone makes a brand-new 1337 fantasy setting for EU5
>>723191215Talking about dwarves, mithradhum has a MT for expelling orcs, while haraz orldhum and silverforge do orc slavery.Gor Burad doesn't force you to purge shit, but they are angry dwarves so it makes sense RP wise.
>>723164978>King Giano Marinus>Sweden
>>723191517tendie-tier reply
>>723189130What's up wit that big island on the east?Is that Annbennar's Japan or jusy were the real (for real this time) dragons live?
>>723189994I'm pirating it day 1.
>>723192045Precursor's testing ground. Expect mechs, mega flora and Kaiju.
>>723192045It's Australia with ancient kaijus and robots and sheeit. They somehow managed to make it lame and gay though. Like the robots are transgender and the local kobolds come in all colors and don't care about dragons. Just spare your sanity and don't look it up. EU5 will release before it so it doesn't really matter.Anbennar's Japan is the hobgoblins, they all use Japanese-derived terms and are the stereotypical honorabru warrior culture.
>>723192248when did they make all mechanim transgender? what the fuck.
>>723179557>>723184342>ZUTT bois Call me muhamMAD one more time!
>>723192327When the Cannorians enslave them and modify them for their purposes it's portrayed as body modification and causes the mechanim to feel body dysphoria. Yeah. they also lack gender by default so they're non-binary robots (lol) and their cannorian oppressors assign them genders.They cut the ant people for this btw.
>>723191624LEET!
>>723192537non binary body dysphoria? how does that even work.
>>723192908Apparently non-binary people are considered trannies who take hormones nowadays. If you refer to an "enby" character by pronouns you are accused of being transphobic and of "de-transitioning" the character
>>723156491It was like that for me as well, and now I'm living there. Funny enough now that it's actually usually I don't want to play it any longer.
>>723192908They're machines so the colonizers modify them to be weapons of war or maid waifus or lawnmowers etc. which is the same as being assigned male at birth t.lead discord role
>>723157473Please elaborate. I'm not a big Paradox enjoyer, but I definitely had my share of fun with both EU4 and Vic3, even I see their shortcomings.
>>723193435You are mentally ill.
>>723192537The ants would've just been another matriarchy, there's already Harpies for that
>>723194180>Harpies >Gnolls>Trolls>At least some of every other race tooMaybe more if I missed any.
>>723145495Now with 5% game and 95% DLCfeaturing dante from the devil may cry series
>>723194180They could've been like zerg dwarfs, competing hiveminds digging colonies and tunnels.
>>723195337Bets on how much DLC is already planned?If it's not multiple hundreds of dollars worth I'll be surprised.
>>7231957393 DLCs planned for 2026.
>>723195337Epic post, my good sir.
>>723191281>How do you know all these names off the top of your head?basic memory recall remains consistently lacking on /v/
>>723195337It's funny how their policy is to develop a game for 10 years, release a new version, and take 50% of the content out, and then resell it as DLC.And yet it people accept it. All review sites gave CK3 on launch 9/10. Despite fact they left out most content of CK2, and their biggest additions were graphical
>>723147268You pronounce it exactly the fucking same, retarded westerners think it's "keev" and not keuuuyiiiivvee or something similar to Polish but with an "ugh" sound instead of the I.
>>723145598based
>>723188636Because the Greeks called it that.
>>723199124
>>723200301Isn't Vorenus a strict Catonian?
>>723147268Key- (as in what you unlock a door with) -ev (as in Kevin).
>>723165652EU4 tournament
>>723145623This. Restoring Roman glory is my favorite thing to do in paradox games, especially when I'm also able to cleanse Anatolia of the roach menace
Has the battle been modified, or is it still the same shit as in EU4? That war field width thing was terrible, holy shit. I never understood that garbage properly.
>>723198148>I have no idea what I'm talking about, but let me repeat some retarded shit I once read so I can fit inHere is your (you).
>>723203537>I never understood that garbage properlyAre you dumb? >the restPersonally, I think EU4 not having any weird pseudo RTS game mechanics, like other grand strategy games often do, is one of its strengths.
>>723203537The battle system is terrible, albeit not hard to understand if you look it up on the wiki but you shouldn't have to look it up in the first place.Since they've used that same or very similar combat system for years? decades? now I wouldn't expect anything different, unless they just abandon it completely and do something even worse like Vicky 3.
