Gamefreak got hacked.>Gaia is gen 10 (Pokémon Wind / Waves) releasing in 2026, with DLC in 2027>Ringo is Legends: Galar, will release in 2027?>Seed is a new Pokémon game with Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh>Gen 11 is releasing in 2030>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USD
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>>723172457>>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDEven indie games got bigger budgets
>>723172457I really just dont care, man. Take this gay pokeshit to reddit.
>>723172457>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDSo that's why they can't improve their graphics... Who's keeping all the Nintendo money? Is the Yakuza, isn't it?
>>723172635>>723172785It's all about profit margins, baby
>>723172457>only 15 million budgetCHEAP FUCKS
>>723172457>>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDJudging on how they look that isn't surprising in the least.
>>723172935that's like, 3.75 mighty no 9s!!
>half pokemon game budget goes to pay Pikachu's seiyuu
>>723172520Is this Galar a thousand years in the past i.e. at the time of the original Darkest Night? Could be cool.>>723172556I see they mention Kitakami and it's predictably in the same place as the real world one.
>$10-$15 million USD budget>$3-$4 billion yearly franchise revenueWHY
>>723172457it's just a unreal engine tutorial with imported models.
>>723172457>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDNo wonder those motherfuckers are swimming in money.
>>723172635dev budget isn't the same as the full cost, they go hard on marketing because gamefreak already has the assets and systems iterated on for 30 years they just have to drag and drop things to make a new "game" which is why it's so cheap
Is there any evidence that gamefreak is willing to have a bigger budget for their pokemon games?
>nintendo knows pokefags have 0 standards >make the games on a shoestring budget>quality decreases with each new game>pokefags STILL buy themis there any group of fans with standards as low as pokefags?
>>723172457Is this the stuff the tera leaker with held
>>723172457>>Gaia is gen 10 (Pokémon Wind / Waves) releasing in 2026, with DLC in 2027>>Ringo is Legends: Galar, will release in 2027?lmao remember when they said they were going to invest more time into making the game better instead of shitting out a new rushed game every 2 years? now they're shitting out a rushed game every single year
>>723173137I agree, that budget is way too overblown and should be lowered
Budgetpilled profitmaxxer
bet the security budget was like 15 dollars and the budget was spent on a network specialist in japan saying "do not hack us, for it is wrong. thank you for understanding"
>>723173137>WHYBecause retards will keep buying it, no matter what.
>>723172457>Gen 11 is releasing in 2030I was about to say something about this until I realized it's almost 2026. Fuck me and my life, why is time moving so fast?
>>723172457>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDAn average capeshit movie costs 150 milion USD to make. No wonder film industry is losing to games
>>723172457>>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDWell that checks out anyway.
>>723173137It's good business and much safer than blowing $200 million per game like your average AAA title.
>>723172583>SudachiSV DLC>Ikkaku/sankakuChampions?>GaiaGen 10>RingoLegends Galar>SeedGame with all the nip regions>MegaoasisLegends ZAAny idea on what Megaturtle and Synapse may be?
>>723172457That many games trying to push full 3d really feels like gamefreak got desperate after Palworld and are trying to do what they achieved graphically but just dont have the tech nor the ability to pull it off
>>723173230>is there any group of fans with standards as low as pokefags?nintendofags
Clair Obscur had a $30 million budget with a small team. If the frenchies can afford that much, surely pokemon can as well.
>Pokemon SEED Do I have to watch Gundam SEED first?
>>723172583These are way too many projects releasing near back to back. At least one of these has to be outsourced right?
>>723173137your 300 million AAA doesn't really pay their devs much more than that. pajeets costs pennies, and at least 280 million is wasted in mocap, celeb voices, and infinite marketing campains where thousands of ecelebs gets their check to pretend they always liked your shit for weeks if not months
>>723173653just because they can doesn't mean they need to or want to
>>723172457>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDNo wonder Pokemon games have been looking like shit for decades. Gamefreak suits keep all the money for themselves LMAO.
>>723173559Anon all this info is before palworld is even a thing. Stop thinking an ark clone is going to ursurp gamefreak. They clrealy want to do this.
>>723173465Dumb frogfag, if you are taking Hollywood as the standard for filmmaking budgets, then the equivalent in the video game space would be the AAA shit big companies like EA, Activision, Ubisoft churn out and they cost hundreds of millions to make too.Pokemon's tiny budgets only serves to validate why they feel so cheap, with ten million they should have stuck with 2D / 3D hybrid visuals from the Nintendo DS era.
>>723172457>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDWhat the fuck do they even do with the money because I'm pretty sure none that is going in the games.
>>723173717Probably most of them.If 10-15 million bucks is the budget for a MAINLINE game, I can only imagine how pitiful the budgets are for the side projects.Pajeets are almost required at that point.
>>723172624remove one 0 to roughly get the budget in usd
>>723172457>>723172624>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USD
KINO
>>723173960You mean two 0s.
>>723173960Two zeroes.
>>723173960Not very accurate anymore since the Yen devaluated in recent years, you subtract a little after removing a zero.
>>723174046>colossal CoalossalI kneel. Also I like that they use Irida for Legends mockups and Nemona for mainline ones.
>>723174059>>723174063it's that bad huh
>>723172457sorry for the dumb question but at least we know gen 10 is switch 2 exclusive right?
>>723173137higher margins, microsoft and sony kept increasing budgets and that sort of backfired on them in the end too. 15 million is a fucking joke though, astro bot was 20 million in comparison.
>>723174185It’s always been about 100 yen to 1 dollar.
>>723173653They have like 20 million guaranteed sales. Why bother with effort?
>>723174234>alwaysit was 10 yen to 1 dollar in 1940
>>723172457>Pokémon Wind / Wavesweakest bait
>>723173873>What the fuck do they even do with the moneyPay employees
>>723172457>Pokèmon ARC-Voh no
>>723172457>Seed is a new Pokémon game with Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and SinnohJapan region now with more blacks.
>>723173137Because it's fucking pokemon and no matter how shit and buggy the games are fans will run out and buy like 10 million copies in the first week
>>723173137small indie companyplease understand
>>723174308Since this is a legends game, they will get at least 10 million guaranteed.
>>723173831>Stop thinking an ark clone is going to ursurp gamefreakNintendo think they will, thats why they pulled that desperate patent troll move of updating and old patent AFTER palworld release and then use that new update to patent "summoning" creatures/companions in games and then use that as fundation for their lawsuit. They wont win and will lose that patent like all troll patents taken to court, because its so open that even jrpgs with summons like persona would violate that patent
They're making a game on the first 4 regions? The ones based on Japan? Sounds promising. I actually developed an appreciation for Galar and Sword/Shield with the DLC. Kind of interested in that.
>>723174493SHOW MUST GO ON
>>723173137I mean most AAA games spend way more but don't achieve anything but graphics basically
>>723173582I'm pretty sure Nintendo has more respect for their own games and wouldnt ever release a Mario in the same shit quality SV were released in. Hell gamefreak is one of the only devs to have the game actually run worse after they finally updated it
>>723174649>I love slopWe can tell.
Is every female player character going to wear shorts now
>>723174612Neither of us know what exactly is in those patents. Stop assuming shit will go your way just because you have a dislike for some toy company smaller than EA, ubisoft and activision.
>>723173204Marketing is never included in the budget. No one calculates full cost like that. When someone says "this game cost $15 million" they talking about the same numbers as here with pokemon
>>723174740Yes. Skirts are too dangerous and feminine now
where’s the download for the leaked files
>>723174687It's just a fact. I'd be surprised if GTA 6 beats SA despite the vastly higher budget. I feel the more they cost the further they get away from what makes vidya fun.
Will they go back to the older style for the characters? I loved how they looked in legends, they threw it away in scarlet and violet
>Pokefags already defending thisevery time.
>>723172457Pokemon Sneed
>>723173128you will never be japanese
Hiring one developer for a year costs about half a million dollar if you include insurances.Devtime for a game seems to around 3 years => ~10 devs working for 3 yearsThe credits scene in Scarlet/Violet lists over 300 people.How the fuck are these people paid?
>>723174740>>723174791they're comfy and easy to wear
>>723174068In terms of exchange rate yes but if you're just looking at local cost equivalent I don't think Japanese wages or purchasing power have gone up the equivalent amount just because the yen is in the shitter.
>>723172457>Gamefreak got hacked.Again? we don't got a leak like some months ago?
>>723172457>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDlol lmao
>>723174649Pokemon is a series where even extra Q&A testing would go a long way. S/V were an absolute joke, it was like playing an alpha version of an indie game. It's probably the series that will benefit the most from AI since Nintendo refuses to give GameFreak money to invest into their games and Pokemon is so formulaic that AI would easily do a lot of heavy lifting.
>>723172457holy shit IMAGINE those revenue charts and imagine how rich tajiri is
>>723173137Then Nintendo would have to pay gamefreak more money, and that's not allowed. Nintendo needs that money to survive. Don't you fucking forget that.
>>723175065>Nintendo refuses to give GameFreak money to invest into their gameIs that actually the case or is that your personal thought?
>>723174612No, you are just brain-dead retarded.If you actually read the patent, the "summoning" patent is "summoning monsters from balls; if you hit another monster they fight autonomously; if you hit the ground, the monster autonomously follows you and looks for other monsters to fight and collects materials".No other game uses this mechanic other than Scarlet and Violet.Now stop being a fanatic witch hunter and read the shit you are sperging about
>>723173697No, they will sue gundam
>>723174954>half a million dollarYou are thinking upper management, your average game dev won't hit six figures even after tax and benefits.
>>723175167Nintendo doesn't pay Game Freak money.Game Freak is completely autonomous.
>>723174740At best you get skorts now.
>>723172457>$10-$15 million USD budgetThat explains the absolute shit graphics/visuals
>>723175184Nintendo has money, they can easily give GameFreak money to invest into Pokemon games if they wanted to. But the Pokemon fanbase is so buck broken that they will buy the lowest viable product forever instead. Nintendo will spend more on the PalWorld lawsuit then they'll spend on an actual Pokemon game, it's ridiculous.
>>723175184It's his NINTENDO BAD cope.Game Freak is a completely separate company.Game Freak makes all the decisions regarding Pokemon games on their own.Game Freak sets the budgets.Game Freak sets development timelines.
>>723175313You think Game Freak doesn't have money, you drooling mongoloid?
>>723172457>$10-15 million USDIf that's the budget for a heavy hitter RPG by Nintendo, just think of how little money is spent on friggin Xenoblade. Probably less that $5 million USD.Also, if budgets are that low, WTF are game $80?
>>723175259you have no idea what youre talking about. nintendo + the pokemon company own majority share of pokemon compared to gamefreak. nintendo tells them to make a game with a 10 million dollar budget, thats why the game is shit.
>>723175482Because nintendo NEEDS the fucking money to survive.
>>723175482>by nintendoactual fucking retard, gamefreak are an indie studio who exclusively release their stuff on nintendo consolesthey get nothing from nintendo and they share the same profit split as all other third party studios do with them
>>723172635its not about the budget its what u do with it
>>723175482>Also, if budgets are that low, WTF are game $80?They charge what people will pay.
>>723175482Nintendo's other franchises get actual budgets. BotW is estimated to have had a $100M development budget. Xenoblade is definitely higher than Pokémon as well simply due to considerations like extended amounts of voice acting.
>>723175523Nintendo does not have any controller over GF. and the pokemon company IS GF too. Nintendo is the least controlling factor in these decisions and budgets
>Seed is a new Pokémon game with Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and SinnohThey're actually doing the "what if a pokemon game came out where you could go to every region" that people were asking for in the late 2000s, early 2010s?
>>723174948Sayoshi’s anime is and always will be superseded by pocketo monster special
>>723175620bro when people say game freak is a small indie company they are joking
>>723175620>gamefreak are an indie studio who exclusively release their stuff on nintendo consolesRetard.
>>723172635>mfw that's as much as Gollum had
Nintendo derangement thread?Nintendo derangement thread.
>>723175646Well they dont shit with it
>>723175729they literally are indie
>>723175460pokemon money isn't their money, they have to pitch TPC to get funds like they are investors and shit
>trainer: where did you get such a long bacon?>mega emboar: long bacon store
>>723175620>who exclusively release their stuff on nintendo consoles?https://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=GAME%20FREAK%20inc.
>>723175698Maybe, but I feel like it's going to be a top-down Let's Go-style game in order to fit everything in. There's no way nor really a reason to remake four regions at once in full 3D.
>>723175795They cannot be indie. Indie quite literally means self published most of GF's works have always had publishers
>>723175728the joke is the "small" part, they are very much indiejust like how platinum and From soft are/were
>>723174954a computer (((science))) engineer is 40K euro per year, maybe 100K top. It's completely saturated
>>723175740To be fair, Pokémon games only have marginally better polish than Gollum did.
>>723175460I think it's ridiculous for Nintendo in particular to neglect one of their flagship IPs to this extent. At the very least they need to tardwrangle GameFreak like Iwata used to do. The budget for Hades 2 is probably similar to a Pokemon game and that sells for $30 instead, it's just all a complete joke. Pokemon is about as mismanaged as Halo, maybe even more mismanaged.
>>723175862you don't know what indie means
>>723175482Nintendo actually believes in giving devs teams time and money to make their games so all their games have a way higher budget than pokemon.
>>723174927Only opened the thread to check for this
>>723175796Gamefreak IS 1/3 of the conglomerate called the pokemon company. Get that through your head first before you speak.
>>723175689sure thing you fucking bing bing bootlicker.
>>723175252You're right. I somehow had the wrong numbers memorized.They still only could realistically afford like 100 devs at most.
Keep in mind>This is from the hack 2 years ago. The hacker released the info because Legends Z-A is out in the wild >The budgets are from the initial pitch from before development started. With a year of delay they likely significant over budget>It's solely development budget. It doesn't include marketing and other shit that's normally rolled into "game budget">Since this info is from 2 years ago, a lot of it probably changed in response to the hack
>>723175858Indie means independent not that they cant have third party publisher lol.
>>723175952I accept your concession before you start blaming nintendo for GF's lack of competence and budget issues, you should actually look up how GF has always mismanaged pokemon.
>>723172457>>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDI knew they were using basically only interns at GF to cut all possible cost, but I would have never imagine they were going that far.Guess that explain why it's so dogshit, it's actually fair compared to how much they paid for it.
>>723175858indie means they don't receive funding from a publisherwhich they are not>>723175904you certainly don't seem to know what indie is
>>723175943you must not know how majority ownership works if you think 1/3 can tell the other 2/3 (mostly nintendo who also maintains all the trademarks and patents) what to do. not surprising considering you buy 10m budget shovelware games and defend them online.
>>723175994>>Since this info is from 2 years ago, a lot of it probably changed in response to the hack
>>723174954walmart wagies here make more than gamefreak employees. cost of living in japan isn't as absurd though
>>723175523>>723175796GAME FREAK OWNS TPC YOU RETARDED FUCKS
>>723172457>palworld was almost entirely pre-made in the unreal engine>had a budget of 7 million>gamefreak only gets at best half of that to do it all from scratchfor fucks sake, nintendo needs to force monolith to help those retards out or something, what an absolute disaster. At least if youre getting a shit budget you should be making more concentrated games, where the fuck is my pokeswat slop?
Nintendo probably spent more money on the new Yoshi game kekGame Freak are getting fucked over so badly
>>723175620you realize that sony pumped money into shit like stellar blade and nioh, right? companies can invest in the exclusives on their platform. trying to defend nintendo's greed here is wild lmao.
The game with all the old Japan regions is 2030? Whats the point? Most people who played those games will be like 45-50 when it comes out.
>>723176029Yes you fucking retard. INDEPENDENT as in THEY PAID FOR IT THEMSELVES AND PUBLISHED IT >>723176053AND WHO DO YOU THINK IS PAYING GF YOU FUCKING MORONChrist are all pokefags this dumb?
>>723176108please point out exactly where i was defending any of themi'll be waiting
>>723176105Nintendo has no input in Pokemon game development
>>723172457>pokemon wind>pokemon seed
>>723172457>>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDlmao, johnathan blow already spent double that on his dumb sokoban game
>>723172457>Japs spend $10 million on a game>make billions in profitkek western devs in shamble.
>>723176139never said i was a pokefagplease learn to read
>>723174172Ah, yeah placeholders before the avatar MCs are made does make sense. Would’ve been cool if they didn’t have to do avatars though, playable Nemona could have her actually talk and we could’ve seen her do stuff before or after S/V. Alas, GameFreak.
>>723176095no, gamefreak is a minority shareholder of tpc, the majority holder is nintendo. stop gargling nintendos ballsack.
>>723176234Fuck you.
>>723176130A lot of people played them through their respective remakes. Two of those four regions are in Switch games.
>>723176205That's what I'm saying, if Nintendo called the shots they would give it a BotW budget not this shit.
>>723172457No one believed the game would ever be the left.
>>723173137Nintendo has to save money for lawsuits.
>>723174954>if you assme the high end of the budget, assume every penny goes directly to the devs, and assume they all get paid the same, thats 50k a year per dev if the entire game is finished in a single year.Sincer we know they take two years, thats 25k, and since we know everyone isnt paid the same, that means the rank and file at gamefreak make less than the US poverty rate.
>>723176096>half of thatyou mean double that? also i'm pretty sure pokemon games use very similar codebases
>>723172457>Gaia is a survival open world gameSuddenly the aggressive lawsuits make more sense, Palworld completely fucked the project by doing it firstbig oof for the game freaks, that must have been a dark day in the office
>>723174740The curse of 3d.
>>723176253GF literally has more market share over TPC than nintendo does
>Pokemon Democrat>Pokemon Republican
>niggers actually keep pulling this "nintendo gives gamefreak very low budgets for their games" claim without a shred of evidence>>723176302 is correct.
>>723173137because making video games is not their main strategy anymore, their main strategy requires a large budget to pay lawyers to sue any competitor from making anything that remotely resembles pokemon in the slightest
>>723176253>gamefreak is a minority shareholder of tpcSo you admit Game Freak isn't owned by TPC like you claimed you fucking moron?And here's the actual truth:Nintendo owns 1/3 of TPCGame Freak owns 1/3 of TPCCreatures owns 1/3 of TPC
>>723174954Jason uses a formulated $10k a month for each employee which is silly. Your math is even sillier
>>723172457>Seed is a new Pokémon game with Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnohthis is literally what I wanted since forever but I doubt it will ever happen, GF cant even put battle frontier on their unfinished shit image putting 4 fucking regions worth of content in one game
>>723176445actually secrectly they all own 1/4 and the imperial family owns the last quarter
>>723176445>Creatures owns 1/3 of TPCthis is mostly owned by nintendo itself and nintendo holds all the trademarks, patents, and funding.glad you finally agreed nintendo is the primary party responsible for dog shit 10 million dollar budget pokemon games.
>>723175794true but they could do much more with it
>>723172457Seed sounds interesting because it's what young me always wanted, but pokemon is just so disappointing nowadays that I just know it's gonna suck ass.
all that money is just going into the nintendo bank vault they've created to prevent potential bankruptcies
>>723176167fair enough, i should have phrased it "not acknowledging nintendo's key role in neglecting the franchise" or something similar because nintendo could easily solve the pokemon budget issue if they wanted to but they won't as long as people continue to buy the games anyway. the only way for pokemon to save is for no one to buy one of the games so nintendo and gamefreak might have to try to win players back.
>>723176359Fun fact: floors of Pokémon Centers in BDSP are reflective and if your Dawn is wearing a skirt, you can see up it in the reflection.
>>723173137The minute they actually increase their production values that becomes the standard moving forward. If you buy it anyway they will never try. You're going to buy it anyway.
>>723176445nintendo owns the pokemon trademark and are the sole publisher and distributer of pokemon gameseven though they have an equal share they are very much the majority shareholder as they have more stake in the brand
>>723176454You will be nearly 50 by the time it comes out though. If you played Gen 1 and 2 back in the day as a kid.
>>723176549But I could've sworn you could go to kanto in gold/silver (probably crystal as well but I didnt buy it cuz fuck girls lol)
>>723172457>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDthis is fucking insane
>>723176454also how in the hell could you do 4 regions using the mainline formula. it would be so bloated
>>723176686I'll be 35 and i will be playing it
>>723173697SEED and SEED Destiny were better than I expected and were far better than the extremely disappointing GQuuuuux which I watched shortly after.
>>723172457>no smut fanfic leaksBoring.
There's a scrapped Legends: Ho-oh and Lugia (two separate versions) in the leak.
>>723173137>WHY1) Because it work. They aren't a charity.2) Because they are really fucking incompetent (just look at their non-pokémon game) so they are probably terrified of pocking too hard at the one thing they did that worked.3) NIntendo has contracts forcing them to shit out games since Pokémon are system-seller on the same tier than Zelda or Mario.
>>723176707When sold at $60, the 25 million copies sold will make $1.5 billion. That's before DLC is factored in. It's borderline offensive that they can spend so little on something that will make them so much, I have no idea where all the Pokemon money is going but it sure as fuck isn't into the games.
>>723174068Dollar is ~150 yen right now, so still within order of magnitude.
>>723173582There is more polish on any goomba of any Mario game than in the entirety of any recent Pokémon game.
>>723173230"Pokefags" are mostly children and people in their early 20s who are yet to really grow up, with a few actual lost cause males in their 30s. What standards?
>>723176691I know you're being facetious zoomie, but Gen3 while still very good left a lot of us back then wishing we could have Kanto/Johto/Hoenn all in one and then the same sentiment happened again in Gen4. GSC pretty much set that expectation for years to come and it only really faded away with Gen5 because the regions stopped being based on Japan and the expectation of cross-gen regions was pretty much gone.
>>723176818GQ is for terminal Gundam fans who have seen every single franchise at least twice over, so it was doomed from the start because you're either so into Gundam that you don't want the blatant pandering, or you're not into Gundam enough for it to hit you right.
WHEN I SAY WE, YOU SAY ROBBEDWE
>>723172457>10~15 million budget Explains why these.fuckers can't even add voice acting to their games, not even some gibberish that mimics speech. It's really fucking jarring in PLZA
These budgets seem/are so low, Scarlet and Violet sales just funded what like half a dozen games or more? I'm not doing that mathThey could spend an extra like 5-10 million on fidelity and the games would be gorgeous too while being cheap, I thinkFuckin insane though the money they make while other devs piss away even larger amounts of money for products that could be seen just as mediocre
>>723174185>>723174234It's even worse than that now. Pretty much gotta divide by 2 after removing two zeros.
>>723177072Too much sexual dimorphism for nuMon
>>723172785They cant improve their graphics because they are shooting for performance on low performing consoles, while not being able to optimize their code to get more perf from better graphics
I opened /v/ and thought I was in /vp/
>>723176939they save a ton of the money they make in case they ever hit a snag and go in the red with their profitshttps://companiesmarketcap.com/nintendo/cash-on-hand/?
>>723177143It's honestly admirable in a fucked up business sense. The ultimate goal of capitalism is infinite money, and you don't make that by significantly raising the budget every other cycle because it cuts into potential skyhigh profits. So they short change the bottom out by being absolutely frugal cunts and cutting corners everywhere knowing people will buy metric fucktons of their product regardless of its faults, and maximize profits. And because people buy shit up like this, they can just keep getting away with it.You won't get experimental, original shit like Little Town Hero after that completely and utterly bombed, but Game Freak effectively gets the leeway to do anything it wants because of this.
>>723172457>>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDthat explains a lot
>>723177072Yeah looks way too much like a boy and a girl, not enough androgyny.
Stone Age pokemon
SV had a song by Ed Sheeran made for its credits theme (and a remix of it for the DLC credits). I wonder if it cost around as much as the game itself.
how the fuck does gamefreak keep getting hacked?
>>723175698It surely must be like a selection of areas from those games.
>>723177317It'd be cool if Nintendo started to put that money back into their products instead but I guess they'd rather charge $100 for Joycons, $50 for Amiibo, and raise the price of the Switch 1 8 years after launch instead of doing something nice for their consumers.
>himhistorically, starmie is andrognyous
>>723177424smoll indie companyplease understand
>>723177424This is the same hack from two years ago, the teraleaks. It's just that literally everything that was starting or working development back then is either coming out or being announced at that time, and it also means unless there's a massive delay, Gen10 is next year.
>>723177385This looks cool as fuck
>>723172742>I don't care>I'm gonna click on the thread anywayRetard.
>>723176818I am convinced that GQ is just>we have those cool concepts that modernize UC suits but don't actually fit into UC canon, let's stick them into something silly to justify making kits out of them>also take stopped by the studio and scribbled some cute girls on the wall, let's use those>we got budget for 12 episodes, and management said 4 of which have to be charwank because we have to get UCfags to notice it, so kill every non-main character in one episode to make way for it, 'kay?
>>723177424more third world retards working who are even easier to scam for their access codes
>>723177476you don't become a multi billion dollar company without doing some bad shit
>>723177385It's not that far back, the other slide says it's 1,000 years in the past. We're getting Eternatus, the two heroes and stuff. I'd love to see Pokévikings as well but I won't count on it.
>>723175994It doesn’t matter. For the next five years the talking point will be “Pokemon is shit because the budgets are 1/10 that of other AAA franchises”.
>>723177424they can't spend money on their games, you think they're paying for security?
>>723177568The character designs seem to be that far back, similar to the Arceus movie
>>723173137Seems like a smart business move compared to spending on $100 million on gender inclusive bathrooms like western devs do.
>>723177424It was the same hack from two years ago. They just didn’t leak ZA and gen10 related information back then
>>723175994>>723177497>two years agoThey were hacked in August of last year.
Legends Galar is based on Xenoblade XThis is an actual pitch image
>>723177614>stone PokéballsI get they can't go without them gameplaywise, but the further back we go the sillier it gets lorewise.
Gym leaders from a cancelled game
>>723177064maybe the latter>>723177550I liked the revamped suits. I think my big issue is none of the """main""" characters really seemed to have agency because they were strapped into the rollercoaster to go visit MSG for the fiftieth time.Also, I know it's Gundam but I had hoped Machu would stay in the Zaku for more than 20 seconds lmao
>>723176908>another anti-nintendo incelI have anti-nintendo fatigue. You people are worse than /pol/nazicels.
>>723172457One on the left looks decent but what's with the one on the right? It looks like shit. I'm not one of these fags that complains about the graphics, that's never been what pokemon has been about, but how can they look this different and why would they put it in a presentation?
>>723174308>They have like 20 million guaranteed sales. Why bother with effort?idk m8 if I were gamefreak I'd just want to go all out for once and make the Pokémon games of everyone's dream and invest 200 mil in the project. I always used to think that gamefreak is a company with like 60 employees because people keep defending them by saying they want to remain small scale, but they literally have a staff of 300 people
>>723173082>>723172624fucking AA games like Stellar Blade have 60m development budgetPokemon is the highest-grossing media franchise and Nintendo can only pay gamefreak 10m for a mainline game?
>>723177615>trying to used based red pilled talking points to defend your favorite scammer binbing wahoo company that sells cardboard and shovelware games for $90desperation
>>723177909Multi region game is being pitched as an mmoNintendo doesn’t seem to trust them with it so it might not end up one
>>723172457>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDReally? That seems way too low. How much staff?
>>723177892These are mockups and concept builds for internal use only. They're not meant to look polished.
Is the sneed game supposed to be on a Switch 3?
>>723177837>Mad Max Boufallant guyThis is my favorite gym leader and the best one we've had since Elesa wtf were they thinking.
>>723177064>>723177550I dont understand you guys, gcucks was primo charwank, just seems like amerilard feddielovers are upset because tomino refuses to make char "media literate".
>>7231780092030 will still be Switch 2.
>>723177965They can’t even handle a SP game with MP aspects. An MMO would be so far out of their depth it’s like asking a kindergartener to read Shakespeare.
I would have loved that multi region game like 10 or 15 years
>>723177909Other companies have to try, Pokemon doesn't. The scope of Stellar Blade was much larger than a Pokemon game, it was a meaty game.
More scrapped gym leaders
looks dumb af
>>723177909pokemon games aren't games anymore, just vehicles to usher in the next wave of merch.
Gen 10 is focusing on dense forests and deep sea diving
>>723177837>>723178178Is this all vehicle-based? Since it's 2019 it looks like these concepts got repurposed into the Team Star bosses and Revavroom.
>>723178178zesty...
>>723172457>that absolute zardlet isn't even as tall as a childTop fucking kek.
>>723178245gen 10 is focusing on getting that budget down to 1 million dollars
gen10 leaked intro storyboards:https://litter.catbox.moe/1bq7p2.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/9w1oxl.mp4
>gamefreak is dog walking the industry using 1% of their power turning 10m into 2 mewtillion dollars
>>723178343it's pretty fucking irritating. they might not even be bad at coding after all, they're literally just refusing to spend any money on the largest franchise in history. they are making really shitty fucking games on purpose
>>723172457Pokemon Sneed & Pokemon Chuck
>>723178021I waited twelve whole ass episodes for even a glimpse of Amuro and only got a throwaway line from his VA. I'm still not over how hard it pandered to everyone except the main character. They even made a whole ass new Kamille.
>>723173137No amount of money can fix Japanese retardation and incompetence
>>723178301Average Zard size is 170cm, it is as tall as the average 13 year old boy nowasays.
>>723176939>115000% profit margin>they could sacrifice 0.007% of their profits and have it be fully voice acted>for 0.3% less they could triple the budget and add amazing features like a stable framerate and qathis is bullshit man
>>723178323>No uterus destroying Slaking or ball-fondling OctilleryFaaaaake
>>723178437>gomen, gomen, it is simply not possible for us to put the entire pokedex in mainline games moving forward, no we will not be spending any extra money to meet your expectations, get fucked
>>723174954There is a reason companies outsource.a 70k usd job in the US is like 15k usd in say Vietnam or Malaysia.
Legends Z-A was made fast because the original Legends 2 was a Johto game that got cancelled
Has it even been a year since the BIG fucking hack?I'm not surprised that Gamefreak's cybersecurity is as poor as their game development.
>>723177838>I liked the revamped suitsOh, I loved 'em too. I'm a sucker for Doms, and GQ's tripod Dom is the best thing that happened to it in decades. And the not-Pokemon girls are cute too, especially the loli mama. But it's ass that none of what GQ did had any staying power and all of the cool stuff it brought to the table will be forgotten once the next single-season canon comes by to sell more kits.
>>723178470voice acting is gay and it's better without it
>>723178437The average retarded faggot here think nintendo is the one giving gamefreak such a low budget but nobody is willing to ask the GF higherups if they even WANT the higher budget.
>>723178178This nigga lookin ZESTY
>>723178512robbed.
>>723178512johtosisters...
>>723178512i am legitimately so fucking angry right now
>>723178470remove a zero from all these, i am high
>>723178583>>723178590They can loop back to it eventually.
>>723172457>>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USD
>>723178570obviously they don't want the higher budget. GF gets a 1/3 cut of the franchise, they could easily spend more money if they wanted to. they do not give a fuck about the quality of their work
>>723177909Stellar Blade was made by a rich studio too and Im sure the 60 includes the marketing budget Pokemon probably cost as much if you include that
>>723178516This is from the same hack. The hackers just reserved this part because they didn't want to spoil the upcoming games (seriously)
>>723177965>Nintendo doesn’t seem to trust them with it so it might not end up oneWould you? GF does really have a great track record with games, and MMOs aren't their expertise beforehand. I cannot name the last time Nintendo had an MMO, if ever.
>>723177424Like how discord got hacked.More 3rd worlders with no education = more hackeable systems.It takes one idiot opening the wrong PDF or sharing credentials to get a whole company nowdays.
>>723178470imagine using your money to support such a low effort franchise. $70+$30 dlc tip for something with a shoestring budget. pokemon games should be $30 to $40 again with that fucking budget man, some bigger indie games are around that level.
>>723174046>what if palworld but pokemonPocketpair sue this man
>>723172457>>Seed is a new Pokémon game with Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnohis it happening?
>>723172457No leaks from gen 1? I'm only interested in the past at this point with pokemon.
>>723178667what makes you think someone who owns 1/3 gets to decide anything about the budget? are you mentally retarded?
>>723173137And even then that budget looks massively wasted on the games they actually produce.What an absolutely terrible direction this franchise has gone, goddamn.
>Gaia (Winds/ Waves)>theme is SurvivalBOTWIFICATION MUST CONTINUE
>>723178760How could one get le hacked xD with a fucking pdf?
>>723178178>nigger pimp with a pimp mobilewhy did they scrap this
>>723178804GF owns 1/3 of the franchise. they have to interface with the other owners on the games to make sure franchise-wide initiatives are maintained, but are otherwise fully in charge of them. nintendo and TPC have 0 say over the budget of pokemon games, it's 100% GF
>>723177424Small Indie Company.
>>723178860Pokemon Champions menus
>>723175994>The hacker released the info because Legends Z-A is out in the wildwhat a fag, should have released it long ago
>>723178796who fucking cares, it's just going to be another piddly fucking $10m waste of time. what a bunch of fucking cunts
>DLC is planned 2 years in adanceFuck gamefreak
>>723177424all it takes is for one japanese boomer still using internet explorer to click a lurkative link
>>723178860Arceus having wild Pokémon attack the trainer plus fall damage and the like was one of the best addition to the series in recent memory. SV was dead by comparison.
>>723178879>nintendo and TPC have 0 say over the budget of pokemon gamesproof? go ahead and show me how tpc (2/3 owned by nintendo) has no say and gamefreak has all the say in the game budget
>>723174954poorly judging by what employees have said lol
During SS they planned to release a phone app that would recreate the Pokewalker from HGSS, but more features.
>>723178968japanese don't have computers, they play console
>>723179012no
>>723178934I feel like the negative impact to things like this budget could have an actual direct impact on sales, so it might be worse that they waited this long to release it. The cut content seemed really cool too, they had a PvP capture the flag mode planned that got scrapped.
>>723178868chicken jockey
>>723179037unfortunately they couldn't figure out how to develop it for their allotted budget of $18.33
>>723179060yea just as i suspected, youre just an actual nintendo bootlicker. kys retard.
Here is the most up to date timeline of their projects and when they release
30 years later, and this board is still obsessed with one of the worst games ever. I literally imagine Chris Chan whenever someone talks about new Pokemon games on this board. I hate you disgusting trannies so much
>>723178868Ask this site sysadmin.PDF can easily be made into executable code and obfuscated to not be detected by antivirus, flash had the same problem reason why adobe discontinued it.If adobe could they would get rid of PDF too they would but its used by fucking everything.
You'll still buy both the Pokemon games and the Pokemon merch. Just like you did the Switch 2 and an $80 physical Mario Kart World copy.
>>723179103what the absolute fuck are you talking about
>>723179116Which one of those is Beast of Reincarnation I wonder
>>723179126> flash had the same problem reason why adobe discontinued it.and yet they still update it for China
>>723179138My boyfriend buys me the Pokemon merch
>>723172457>>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USD>$10-$15 million budget >sell for GTAVI prices tendies are the lolcows of the gaming world
>>723178692Stellar Blade was in development before they hit it big with Nikke and became multi billion dollar companyThey wouldn't have signed the exclusive deal with Sony to fund SB if they were rich
>>723179187And Microsoft still updates Windows XP for the United States Navy, this isn't the gotcha that you think it is
>>723174954It's Japan. Software developers are paid dirt. Average salary is like 30k usd a year. Senior devs are lucky enough to make maybe 60k. 500k total comp can buy you a small dev team in Japan.
>>723179116Well, Champions didn't make it by the end of 2025.
>>723179138The last Nintendo product I bought was a Gameboy Advance.
>>723173137Tendies will buy PS2 tech demo shovelware if it has the Nintendo logo on it. Pokemon fans are this cranked up to the max, incomprehensible levels of brand worship.
>>723179250Nintendo fans and gamefreak fans are not the same
Game freak testing out water for gen 10>>723179153None of them are
>>723179324I hope the Miiverse water guy is still alive to see this.
>>723179308No, a tendie is a tendie.
>>723179308theres no such thing as a gamefreak fan. nintendo cultists are the same group as modern pokemon cultists and nintendo controls pokemon itself. no one who actually played the original games or cares about good games would ever buy a modern pokemon game.
>>723173137Because pokenigger nintrannies will buy anyway
>>723179324
First in engine footage of a very early build of Gen 10
>>723179039only for personal usejapanese salarymen use windows xp pcs, internet explorer and still use floppies
>>723179260Sony pumped money into Stellar Blade too. Mirosoft also injects money into projects on their platform, Nintendo is the only company seemingly allergic on investing in games on their own ecosystem. They release low budget games and pad their own pockets rather than use the money they make to give consumers a better product. They're everything wrong with corporations right now, they truly did die with Iwata.
>>723179138I haven't bought anything nintendo related for years nowexcept for vintage pokemon cards
>>723179479It's amazing they achieved the same framerate as the launch version that early in development.
>>723179324imGUI my beloved
>>723172457Crimson Collective raped Jewtendo...
>>723179479super excited to see this completely fucking flattened out because GF refuses to pay experts to make their games run efficiently
>>723178697I finished reading through the thread now and saw >>723175994 and your post.I apologize to GF's security division.
>shoestring budget for the VIDEOGAMES of the most valuable IP in the world is actually heckin' based>abysmally low production value is actually GOOD for you as a player because it is more PROFITABLE for the companyWhat the fuck am I reading? Are you an investor? Do you own stocks?Why wouldn't you want them to invest more in quality games for you, the player, instead of a 1000% profit margin?
>>723177550>>723176818>hires pokemon designers for your lead artist for what purpose
>>723179479Looks like the beach area in New Pokémon Snap. To be honest I'd be down for underwater exploration, they've only done it once and it was pretty cool.
>723172457>>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USD
>>723178954Unlike every other DLC that just magically appears on the devs computers
>>723175523It's amazing how many people keep parroting this meme that Pokemon games are the way they are because apparently Nintendo is bullying Game Freak through TPC, when not only is TPC basically just a meeting room between the companies to organize marketing and merchandise, but when everything in the leaks points towards the mainline games' development being solely handled by Game Freak themselves. Are people just incapable of accepting that the rot is coming from inside of the house and that Game Freak aren't the devs they used to be or what?
>>723172457>>723172520I know these are fake because why would they use nemona & irida as test models, also the quality from op left & right are wildly different renders
>>723177614>"Pokeballs don't shrink Pokemon">Stone Age Pokeballs Shrinking pokemonhm
>>723179479>GF/Nintendo devs get paid to fuck around in engines just to thennot use any of the shit tested and rush development 4 months before release
>>723179634>Get hired to draw new Gundam characters>Just draw Kamille againit's so fucking peak and kino, Anno I kneel
>>723179597You know how people call tendies cultists in all those topics? Now you see the reasoning behind it. Nintendo charges $80 for their games that have a lower budget than most indies. They are the greediest gaming company out there. No one comes close.
>>723177909Nintendo has as much control over Pokemon as Game Freak and The Pokemon Company, each own a third of it.That's why Nintendo cant order Game Freak around.
>>723179597Terminal spiritual investment, chartfaggotry and gacha revenue wars are similar cases.
>>723179638gen 10 is gonna have underwater exploration and is based in the Philippines
>>723179664>why would they use nemona & irida as test modelsThey like eyecandy.
>>723179491>Nintendo is the only company seemingly allergic on investing in games on their own ecosystemtendies will pay any price.
>>723179719Final graphics on the top right look amazing
>>723172457why does this company have some major leak every year now
>>723179656>Are people just incapable of accepting that the rot is coming from inside of the house and that Game Freak aren't the devs they used to be or what?I mean when you have retards like digital foundry spreading lies and bullshit just to clickbait then it is what it is, all the retards and fanboys and idiots just believe what they wanna believe. But yes, some essentially thinks that if if it wasn't for Nintendo Pokemon would get the GTA 6 treatment or something.
>>723179656>and that Game Freak aren't the devs they used to beGamefreak are as incompetent and lazy as they've always been, they were never good. Pokemon games were incompetently programmed and behind in graphical fidelity and features compared to other RPGs since the Game Boy, they just lucked out on the multimedia formula.
>>723179791>>723175994
>>723179656>bullyingare you okay nintendie? its not that hard to understand, nintendo has majority control and ownership of the IP. maybe when you finish playing with your labo and amiibos you can start learning about basics like this.
>>723179664Square-Enix used X-2 YRP as test models for 13Neversoft used Bruce Willis as a test model for Tony HawkWeirder shit has happened
GAMEFREAK IS SAYING THE PROBLEM WITH THEIR GAMES IS THAT THEY OUTSOURCE TOO MUCHNO MORE OUTSOURCING ITS OVER
Considering gen 10 will most likely be announced on Pokémon Day 2026, it's not too long until we see whether they can still fumble the bag with visuals and performance even on a Switch 2 exclusive game.
>>723172457>Pokemon games sell 15m at worst>Adjust the budget so they break even with 200k copies sold at 70$
>>723179821Game Freak may have always been behind the times but there's a very clear difference in quality and care in what they used to put out and what they put out now.
>>723179865Gamefreak outsources to SE?
>>723179865it really is over lmao
>>723179770And at a targeted 14fps.
>>723179656Nintendo owns the IP, there are Pokemon games not made by Gamefreak. Nintendo could throw cash at GameFreak if they wanted but there's no point because Pokemonfags are more retarded than even the FIFA and CoDfags and will buy literally anything regardless of quality. They are THE ideal paypigs, the ultimate goys.
>>723172457>>development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDAnd where the fuck does the money go into, cocaine?
>>723179865they say this yet the only good (or at least, not abysmally dogshit) pokemon games are non-gf games
>>723179865I can understand this in regards to BDSP (though I'm sure they gave ILCA like six months to make it), but what else do they outsource?
>>723179919No Nintendo fucking SUGGESTED they should for Gen 10 and GF said no
>>723172635A testament to how powerful that IP is and how fervent nintendo is at protecting them.
>>723179250>>723179424>>723179303>>723179428>snoys lying again
>>723180025lmao, nintendo is as embarrassed by GF's performance as GF ought to be
>>723179896SV sold 30m at $100 including the DLC. and the budget for that game is not even 10m and people wonder why they don't try anymore
At this point I am convinced Nintendo could release an official bank account number and their fans would straight up donate money to them.
>>723180025i wonder if GF also refuse help from monolith soft
>>723180025it's all nintendo's fault btw not game freak sucking ass
>>723180025You know you're shit when Nintendo suggests modern SE.
>>723179830>I'm literally retardedNice try nigger. If this "nintendo is bullying gamefreak" shit was true then gamefreak would've brought this up in public years ago since they're not owned by nintendo.>>723180025This is the type of shit that multiple anons with a fully working brain kept saying, the rot is INSIDE gamefreak themselves. Nintnedo isn't the evil one here unless you have proof that's the case.
>>723180064how obsessed can you be with defending nintendo to suggest they are embarrassed of the dog shit games theyve been purposefully funding for 15+ years now? are you unwell?
>>723180125i mean, squeenix games at least still look pretty good. octopath and DQ are nice games to run around in
Another engine testInternally being referred to as Pokemon Engine XIt’s actually UE4
>>723179830I'm wasting my breath on a dumb console warrior but for the rest of the thread, we literally have all the planning documents for the Pokemon games from these leaks and not once has anything even suggested that Nintendo dictates anything to Game Freak. Hell, the most involved TPC gets is basically minor censorship and legal concerns like if a Pokemon name is too saucy or some shit.
>>723180125Pokemon with the FF7 Rebirth combat system would go so fucking unbelievably hard.
>>723180169>If this "nintendo is bullying gamefreak" shit was trueliterally no one is talking about bullying except for you. i think you are projecting your personal trauma onto a video game. nintendo has majority control and ownership of the ip, its not hard to understand, bing bing boy.
>>723180064Yeah they're so embarrassed by those games they fund them for pennies, market them, price them at AAA prices, and feel sad about how they didn't deserve the billions in guaranteed sales. I'm sure they're hiding in the corner with shame.
>>723180201hahahahahahahahahhaha
>>723172624>like 13 mil for ZA>this is the best shit they can make with thatAre they money laundering or what?
>>723179957dozens of every variation of all the cardboard tcg, the plants to manufacture and seal and logistics to trickle them out to stores
>>723180201They should try to get the source engine.
>>723180025>TFW no GF to tell me noWhybeven live
Engine files are also in here too>>723180243Literally the prototype for Arceus had ATB
>>723175795they are indie but they also release some (arguably meh) stuff on steam
>>723180125I mean Nintendo's no stranger to co-projects and outsourcing, and nowadays I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if they're silently considering acquiring Square personally after on-off relationships and Square's rough situation in recent years. If Game Freak is struggling to develop games that barely even function, it makes sense Nintendo pops the question.GF is nothing if not prideful about themselves, though, not much surprise to see they rejected it.
>>723173137To Maximize profits, silly.I kept telling you people Pokemon games are "cheaply made" on purpose.You have to prove to Nintendo that allocating more of a budget to the games will result in significantly higher sales. They have yet to be proven wrong, considering Sword and Shield is crap, and it's the 2nd best selling pair of games in the entire franchise, and Scarlet/Violet is barely better (it's okay), and the 3rd best-selling pair.
>>723180256if they're so proud of the games, why are they suggesting someone other than GF, who will certainly cost more, should maybe make gen 10?
Gen 10 Pokedex
>>723180301Why are right-wing scam artists always shilling vitamins and water filters
is it me or this pokemon game actually looks good
>>723180265Anon, pop over into /vst/ to laugh a bit at Stormgate.That game came out stillborn and cost 40m$.
>>723175698With 10m? Lorflmao.
>>723180339unfortunately game freak bullheadedly operates like a Japanese indie stupid from 30 years ago, so of course they'd say no to outsourcing some of their main line product to anyone who can at least pretend theyre competent at making video games. Nintendo is at least willing to collaborate.
>>723180346>You have to prove to Nintendonintendo was literally suggesting them to develop alongside squarenix which would definitively increase costs, it's GF that are cheapstakes
>>723180404its fucking you
>>723174045Palchads I kneel...
>>723172556>Gen 10 still has copy & pasted windowskek
makes sense that it's a 10 million dollar budget it looks like a n64 game
>>723180404Pokemon standards are so low that the leak that looked like a trailer you'd find for a Unity survival crafting asset flip on steam looks good
>>723179865>slide about increasing risk in vidya flops leading to a demand for quality>picture of Square Enixkek, watching SE get shit on always brings a smile to my faceNever forget we could've been on the sixth Deus Ex game by now
Yeah it’s UE4
You now remember dexit>we couldn't possibly have the budget and resources to add the dogshit models and low effort animations we already had from fucking X and Y into the game, too costly>the games were developed with the budget of two quid and an expired bus ticketSecond best selling games of the series btw
>>723180460>>723180518it looks like palworld graphics and gameplay but it's actually pokemon now
>>723180302>Literally the prototype for Arceus had ATBDamn, that could have been pretty cool if it was an action based ATB hybrid like Remake/Rebirth.
>>723180632truly the epitome of consooomers
>>723179324Amazing water in this game.
>>723180589is this real
>>723180651>it looks like a shitty low budget indie gameyou are correct
>>723180632SV have surpassed SwSh last quarter.
It seems that gamefreak and creatures inc have not learned anything
>>723180253>keep pushing shit without proof>after it's shown it's all on gamefreak themselves because they denied nintendo any outsourcing work for GF's generation 10 projects to make them better>>723180632The recently revealed info shows that it's gamefreak just being even very stubborn and overfilled with ego.
>>723180449they could have wanted team asano to make a game which would be pretty cheap. square makes a lot of budget games, valkyrie elysium, diofield chronicles, etc.
>>723180632>>the games were developed with the budget of two quid and an expired bus ticketMore ambitious games have been released with similar budgets. Game Freak's just a shit dev.
>>723180632The worst part is that despite the controversy and EVERYONE hearing of dexit, it justified their decisions to sell so well. Now you're objectively set to get less and less per generation because they simply can get away with it. I can see it now with Gen 10>We have underwater exploration, and jungle survival!>And then we'll barely have a generational roster that's any bigger on its own than a Legends game, and meanwhile your favorites? Uhh.. DLC!
>>723180659>>723180518It's funny that Pokemon IP is such solid gold that all GF has to do is rip off some other, better game and add Pokemon to itand they STILL can't do that. They still have to delay the game and cut half the content and release buggy slop. Maybe the new ditto farming game will finally manage it.
>>723180589what's with that fucking ui
>>723180802They have no reason to learn when braindead normalfags and whales continue to reward them for releasing shittier and shittier products.
Tendie board Pokemon domination Fuck this shit
I don't get why you guys are complaining about the small budget when you're always complaining about large budgets
>>723179491And both Sony's and Microsoft's gaming ventures are fully collapsing shifting to live-service slop with singleplayer projects dying by the day. They can no longer invest in indies or AA games, projects are getting canceled left and right, multiple layoffs are hitting their gaming sectors, and studios are getting closed or revamped/renamed. Sony is shifting from hardware to platform looking at multiplatform as the future, Microsoft may completely can next gen with reports of their consoles being pulled from stores, fuck you Jez Cordon, you fat British bean-eating Microshill, while giving up completely on exclusives for multiplatform. Nintendo and Valve were the only smart companies. PlayStation and especially Xbox were a mistake. You Snoys and those Xbots are stupid, very stupid. If Sony and Microsoft want to play PC so badly, stop making hardware and just let Valve sell your games.
>>723180916>i don't know why you're complaining about starving children to death when you normally complain about the obesity epidemic
>>723173137The have 250-500 japs working on one game? that seems excessive or do they include all the shipping and extra costs?
>>723179324>a modern pokemon game where you go out into the seaOh this shit is gonna run at like 10 frames
>>723176642>Sonic Mania
>>723180802This reminds me of the leaked Microsoft timeline from the FTC lawsuit. Just delusional corporate nonsense that nobody every actually believed, but everyone agreed to pretend was real, because it was in their benefit. I think there's a term for that, but I can't think of it.
>>723180976>food comparisonamericans are awake everybody out
>10 million budget>makes thousands of times more money than any of the non-game slop /v/ likesSad!
>>723180916Whataboutism doesn't really fix the fact that these are getting bigger and yet are getting grossly underbudgeted and underdeveloped. It's one thing if a game is trying to be a super uber UE5 nightmare experience of the bestest graphics evar, it's another when you have a series that's ostensibly becoming open world with time and still runs like absolute dogshit while having the most basic geometry and mapping around as if it was someone's afternoon Unity experiment.
>>723180201I mean, if that's what it takes for them to make a functional game, why the fuck not. Clearly whatever they're working with right now just isn't working.
>>723181081>whataboutism>>>/reddit/Newspeak isnt welcome here.
>>723180916>>723181081Pokemon is one of the few games that SHOULD get a bigger budget but gamefreak has a massive ego and cheapskate problem so they have no problem using the least amount of money possible to make the pokemon games.
>>723176205Super Mario Club is Nintendo's debug team, and has been present in every mainline Pokemon credits since the conception of the IP.
>>723177909Stellar Blade is AAA.
>>723180949You realize there's a middle ground between $15 million games and $400 million games, right? Give Pokemon a $50 million budget(this is still AA level) and the games will be great and it's not like S/V didn't bring in $1.6 billion dollars. They can afford to fucking put some back into the games, jesus christ. There's no defending this level of greediness and refusing to put money back into their products, at least Sony and Microsoft are willing to do that even if they got carried away in an AAA arms race.
>>723180201Get the CryEngine 5.7, and moved on from the cartoony shit, go for photorealism.
>>723181081yeah, they have to change fucking something here, the center isn't going to hold. if you're going to budget like you're still making pixel sprite games for the GBC, then just make those. if you're going to make big dumb open world games, fucking budget like it. what a bunch of retards
>>723177072NINTENDO
>>723175259>>723175523>>723175689>>723176095>>723179656>>723176253lol a web of shell corps so labyrinthine even the bing bing wahoo fans cant make sense of it
>>723181154>egoWhat the fuck is up with nu/v/ going>OMG U HAVE AN EGO BE HUMBLELike some fucking feminist over everything
>>723181063There was zero mention of the Oblivion remaster anywhere outside that court doc until right before release when stores started leaking it. Things got pushed back or canned but it was a real plan.
>>723181206>There's no defending this level of greediness and refusing to put money back into their productsBut anon, think of the theme parks!
>>723172457the graphics actually look ok on the left wtf is going on bros
>>723180589https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=259npDUPddg
>>723181081They simply need to return to 2d and all problems will be solved.
>>723181063>nobody ever actually believedAnon, until Ghostwire Tokyo flopped and delays hit really fucking hard, this was otherwise pretty consistent of what HAS come out. Covid nuked the shit out of the scheduling something fierce, but we do now have>Starfield + DLC>Fallout 76 Worlds>Indiana Jones game>Oblivion Remaster>Doom Year Zero became Doom The Dark Ages>RedfallFact is that Microsoft were so horrifically mismanaged and Bethesda is such a shitheap of a publisher that so many things are now cancelled or floating about in oblivion otherwise
>>723177909>Pokemon is the highest-grossing media franchise and Nintendo can only pay gamefreak 10m for a mainline game?Becaus when your pair of games sell more than entire franchise that have been around as long or longer, why the fuck would you invest more?Nintendo are not your friends. They are a company that wants to make profit so they can appese their shareholders and the big wigs get big payouts. Can't believe you morons fell for the "honorabru nipponese company"
>>723173137Reminds me of people coping when we saw what Legends Arceus looked like.Real answer is what money they reinvest goes into their REAL cash cows: Pokemon merchandise. At some point the toys and merch stopped being an advertisement for the games and the games just became a hype machine for pushing more pokemon branded junk.
>>723181270>an oversight company that oversees three companies beneath it>labyrinthinemaybe if you're the type of retard to get lost in a straight line
Reminder that there is nothing we can do to make TPC stop being so shit, Pokemon WILL ALWAYS SELL no matter what. The best you can do is check other monster catching games like pic related which features...GASP...FULL VOICE ACTING AND CHARACTERS MOVING IN A NATURAL WAY DURING CUTSCENES?!
>>723181323the beta versions apparently look decent, and then they pay some guys to make it look like shit "so the game can run better"
>>723177909Nintendo doesn't care. Their paypigs will always buy their slop.
>cancel all games post Gen 10>drop Unreal Engine>drop whatever Rockstar asks for a license of the RAGE engine>focus on the MMO with multiple regions>stop making games and just support the MMO and Champions
>>723178512Game Freak confirmed for hating Johto.It was obvious when the Johto-inspired town in Alola couldn't help but add multiple Kanto references and not a single Johto reference.
>>723181382im glad nintendo pushed this in two of their most recent directs. MHS is a great series
>>723181206Letting developers do their own thing isn't greed, it's good business practice, and it's the only sensible way to run a publisher
>>723174493EGAO
>all of this shit when HGSS is still the best game they ever madeWe must retvrn
>>723181461you would crash the company
>>723181382pokemon will never realize it’s full potential, though it’s a miracle that monster hunter is still alive
>>723172457not my gaia
>>723181508It will never sell Pokemon level numbers, plus is on the switch 2 so they also win profits, Nintendo has no reason to patent troll the shit outta it unlike with Palword.
>>723181391>>723181323You also have to remember that to reach maximum market saturation, they have to eventually tune things for the Switch 1, which is still barely above a Wii U which was still barely above (or worse in certain regards) than the PS3/360. So yeah, they run that prototype and the development builds, here's some dynamic lighting and rendering in these early builds from whatever default engine programming shit they're doing, and if Gen10 really is UE then that's obviously some default stuff.Now lets rip out the intestines, chop off the limbs, rip out its eyes and get some saline solution on an IV drip because it's time for the Switchification.
>>723174493>Pokèmon ARC-VXYZ already happened and they paid the fucking price.
>>723181358I moreso meant the timeline, not what's on it. Of course there will be an Elder Scrolls VI, but there's no way anybody believed it'd be out in 2024, even at the time. Apply that similarly to the Game Freak timeline. There's no way they construct a Pokemon supergame containing every region in the next three years, while also developing Gen 10. They probably couldn't do that even if they had a whole decade.
>>723175756you're in a cult buddy
>next Legends is Galar>not a futuristic HoennWhat the fuck, there's nothing interesting about Galar.
>>723181519How's that working out for Microsoft exactly? Some devs need you to reign them in, GameFreak is clearly one of those and Iwata had to do it in the past.
>>723181540Westerners believing it's a miracle that Monster Hunter still gets support from Capcom and new releases is our equivalent of the Japanese's genuine shock and bewilderment that Sonic still gets games after the Dreamcast
>>723181540>though it’s a miracle that monster hunter is still aliveYou specifically mean MHS, right? because MH mainline was doing wonders...until Wilds post release hype where the sales crashed down to less than half million in 4 months.
>>723181382too bad that there's no fixated MC and is gender ambiguity bs
>>723181519Letting devs do whatever they want leads to Duke Nukem Forever where they just spin their wheels redoing the same assets and chasing new tech and gimmicks until the entire project collapses.
>>723181531>Blunder of the century
>>723181540What potential?Pokemon is the My Little Pony of games, just pure toddlerslop.Grow up and play games your age.
>>723172457>less than 20 million budget>charge 80 dollars for the rising cost of gamesSomewhere there is a fucking lie Nintendo.
>>723181680Fair enough, that's misreading on my part then. Honestly they're already throwing around three separate game projects at a time, I can't imagine that a Game Freak who cuts their corners this hard and their budgets this low is somehow working like 5-6 games simultaneously and ambitiously. And yet they're proclaiming they don't want to outsource.
>>723175756Why did Nintendo mindbreak them so badly though?
>>723176818>SEED DestinyBro Seed Destiny is a piece of shit without legs or head
>>723179656TPC is basically just a merchandise controller and “face” of the franchise, and is essentially owned by Nintendo. The split of Pokemon is basically 2/3 - 1/3 for all intents and purposes. There is a non-zero chance that Nintendo doesn’t put their own money into pokemon games, snd the budget is entirely from Gamefreak.There is also a non-zero chance that Nintendo just gave them the whole budget, and they put no extra in themselves and are lazy fucks who have openly said they don’t want to make Pokemon games anymore but aren’t stupid enough to give up 1/3 control of the largest grossing franchise worldwide.
>>723181540Anon, Capcom is here today because Monster Hunter was there to bail their asses out after whatever the fuck rot they went after RE4 until REmake.
>>723181382Or you can play Monster Hunter World instead of Stories which is just embarassing childish crap.I want to kill monsters, not be their hecking friends.Same with Pokemon, they should make one based on Monster Hunter where instead of battling, its the Pokemons themselves who are the enemies and have to fight them with weapons.
>>723172457>Development budget for a mainline Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USD>Have to design and animate 100 unique creatures every timeNo wonder the quality of Pokemon games are always shit compared to other games in the same era
>>723181701Galar has an interesting lore but it was more alluded to in text boxes than fleshed out for the player.
>>723181853If you watch Destiny for Arthun and not Shinn becomes kinda enjoyable.
Worst part is how low the budgets are, they make so much money but so little effort into the shit games
they spent more money suing palworld than they spent on all the pokemon games in total
>>723172457>almost had legends johto>explains why we got totodile and chikorita for zygarde.if i were to guess, both tepig and cyndaquil were swapped early development. we could have gotten Mega Emboar to be Hisuian Emboar. Mega Typholosion probably exists.
>>723181787You know people buy games right? There's no need to say $80.
>>723180802>>723179865What I'm seeing here is that GF developers want a bigger budget to make broader-scope, higher-quality games, but management is running them like a shoestring-budget slop mill which leads to the trash games we do get.
>>723174045Wasn't everything stolen?
>>723173325Probably lmao
>>723181996>if i were to guess, both tepig and cyndaquil were swapped early development. we could have gotten Mega Emboar to be Hisuian Emboar. Mega Typholosion probably exists.Why are you trying to make me mad, anon.
>>723181993Nintendo is only suing Palworld for about $66,000 in damages, which is only enough to pay Game Freak's dev costs for about eight years.
>>723181745Nope, during the cutscenes show we can see the male MC being refer with "he" so if you choose the female MC it will be "she" instead.
>>723172457>$10-$15 million USDfucking hell
>>723180556Wouldn't uae4 make ripping shit easier?
>>723181984How is this not textbook fraud and money laundering?
>>723182018>GF developers want a bigger budget to make broader-scope, higher-quality gamesConvince me they're actually capable of doing that because I don't think this is a problem you can throw money at.
>>723181775tell that to the niggas who watch bluey
>dev budget: 10 million>lawyer budget: 10 billion
>>723181957Yes, there is no doubt, Arthun carries the whole show.
>>723181628it's not releasing on the switch 1
You can make a good game with way less than 10 million
>>723182232They're not. Which is probably why they don't get it. But they're trying to convince executives that they are.
>>723182180Because you are retarded, money laundering could be happening if the games had a 150 million budget and had the exact quality they have right now.
>Be the only game in town "Why try? You'll buy it anyway">Someone tries to mix up the formula and force you into competition>Sue them into the fucking ground, cripple them any way you can>Continue business as usualPokemon as a concept deserves to be trust busted. Stagnant motherfuckers. This is why competition is important
>>723177971how is it low? za has the same mega animation graphics as x/y. and most of their 3d models are from x/y with no updates
>>723182276But GF CAN'T, no that they need it anyway as is POKEMON.
>>723180802>no unova demakesGreat. Dunno if it's because they don't know what to do (1/2/1+2/1.5/3) or what but I'm glad.
>>723182276Well Game Freak clearliy cant', considering their non-Pokemon games are just as bad or even worse.
>>723182276they don't have to that's the issue.
anything regarding fire emblem x pokemon?
>>723181206You better come up with a good reason why Halo 2 needed to have a $40+ million budget when Crysis 1 with just a $20+ million budget was able to do significantly more?
>>723182276wheres the good game then
Pokemon games are so bad now that Nintendies have resorted to deflecting all the blame to GameFreak despite the Pokemon company being majority owned by Nintendo. It's just sad to watch.
>>723177057no there ppl in there 30s
>>723182357Any news on their rollslop thingie?
>>723181628and as we all know, nobody is making games that look better on the switch 1 than gamefreak
>>723174045>budget in dollars>profit in yenfucking wh->shubhanker parijatyeah
>>723182325The funniest thing from these leaks for me is seeing that internal Pokemon designs really do get cancelled because they look too similar to fan designs. It's no wonder all the megas look like shit, all the good designs were already made by fans. So Pokemon can't be stopped by other companies making their own better copycats, but if fans spam their own better copycats they're forced to release shit like toiletgator and weepinbell-hanging-himself, kekNo wonder they seethe so hard over romhacks, imagine going to release a Pokemon game based on a noun and finding out there's already 3 romhacks with the same name which are all better games than yours
>>723182357they’ve made occasional gems
>>723182437>my delusions don't line up with reality so I'll just claim deflection since I have no proof
>>723182437The Pokemon Company, Nintendo and Game Freak all own a third of the Pokemon franchise, they all have the same power over it.
>>723178512NO FUCKING WAY MAN THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE CAUSE ECRUTEAK IS LITERALLY EDO THEMED WHILE SINNOH IS NOT AAAAAAAAAHHH FUCK YOU GF
I fucking wish Pokemon suffered a MH Wilds, only a catastrophic drop in sales after release will teach them to stop being so shit but something like that WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
>>723177072What is this for, Gen 9?
>>723182560That was 20 years ago, anon.
>Thread about Pokémon and its leaks>A random conversation about GundamI love 4chan
>>723182437I defend Pokemon because it makes /v/ hilariously mad.I dont personally care what happens woth Pokemon because I'm not a fucking 10 year old.No idea what the fuck is up with adults who play games that keep going>LOOK AT ALL THESE HECKING WHOLESOME CRITTERINOS THEY ARE ALL OUR FRIENDS, YAY
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>>723182472No further info as of the trailer, but what in the actual hell is Game Freak smoking if they think they can make a Soulsclone? These chumps are not only known for making games that are easy, but also in a genre they have zero tangible or relatable experience in?
>>723178512kinda wanted to see isekai shenanigans with celebi
>>723182574>if i keep repeating the wrong thing it will become true!
>>723181756That one can be set at George Broussard as the perfect example of retarded management bringing a project down. It's not that the devs were given carte blanche, it's that Broussard was constantly pushing them for innovating to be the biggest game on the block that it destroyed their development multiple times over because of his retardation.Rarely are the actual developers on the ground floor the ones genuinely fucking everything up unless certain individuals get way more leeway than they should be doing, or sick/absence leaves seriously cause some pipeline headaches. They get paid and do what they're paid to do, with or without passion. It's the direction they're given that comes from management that can regularly be painted as a primary problem since the management have to cross off on so much shit, be the ones to decide what corners are cut, the funding to allocate, the people to hire or lay off, etc.
I wonder if they new pokemon games sell this much because manchildren now have money or there's actal childrens who play it.
>>723182679Well, the last Gundam anime characters were literally made by an official pokemon artist and she didn't even tried to make them not look "pokemon".
>>723178692>richest man in Korea with one tits&ass gamewas it always this easy?
>>723182621If they jump to Switch 2 only it's possible. Not a catastrophic drop but a slight drop rather than another increase. Purely because of smaller install base. Unfortunately such a game would likely be higher-quality than Gen 8 and 9 so they'd learn the wrong lesson, again, just like with Gen 5.
>>723182418The first legends game
>>723175698its gonna fucking suckgen 2 was shit for that reasonI dont want a new mon thats only in sinnoh then I gotta be 3 other gens (somehow my pokes by that time is LV 60) so it fucks the exp the game flow the pokemon everything it will be a fucking slog to play
>>723182437>get BTFO>return to the thread repeating the same point like you're a new person to try and shake off the previous argumentDo you think people can't tell you're doing this?
>>723182679The character designer of GQ is also the character designer for Pokemon these days so it's on topic
>>723182701It will either be the best soulclone or the worst.
>>723182826Not even Pokemon fans have any ambition.
>>723179138yeah?gonna cry about it, poorfag?
>>723182682>fucking 10 year oldYou really do understand Pokemon fans!
>>723182796Gen 5 was the last time they actually put effort then they got pissed off by some assholes complaining they couldn't use previous gen mon during the main game and stopped trying.
>>723182792Attractive designs can carry you far. It used to be the case for pokemon but not anymore
The natural evolution of Pokemon will always involve forgetting about the singleplayer games and developing an MMO with all the regions, and just release new regions as expansions.
>>723182891I always wonder if niggers like you are actually this stupid or just trolling
>>723182776It's almost entirely adults. Even though they market to kids the vast majority of switch users are adults. The small bump around age 11, that's the kid users. The titanic mountain around age 22 that tapers off only around age 45, those are the "nintendo adults".This image is a few years old so just imagine the whole graph shifted to the right a little.
>>723182839Yes you really btfo me by saying Gamefreak is bullying Nintendo with their 1/3 share of Pokemon LMAO
>>723182841Wait, I am sure TAKE is a girl.
>>723182406Halo 2's development was an absolute shitshow with lack of leadership, crunch time among crunch time, teams that did not communicate with each other at all, restructering the engine because most of the stuff showcased in the E3 demo was not possible to do in game, and so on and so on . That's how the budget got inflated to $40+ million. A genuine miracle Halo 2 even came out, especially to critical acclaim.
>>723182437>the games are bad so people blame the developers rather than some other guysyea?
>>723183012Anon I didn't even specify a gender. That makes sense though, girls love Pokemon and Gundam
>>723182978except mmos fucking suck
>>723183001No wonder /v/ had so much shilling for Palworld, this board is full of manchildren who unironically want to play a fucking Pokemon game lmao
>>723183076You posted a pic of a guy while talking about TAKE so I thought that guy was TAKE.
>>723182958>It used to be the case for pokemon but not anymorethis is every recent Nintendo game for some reason. Xenoblade 3 and Fire Emblem Engage are full of ugly women too
>>723183148...anon that's an actor playing Hideki Anno from Blue Blazes. He's quite famous for making Evangelion and fucking your mom
>>723178796kanto gets 14 mil of the budgetrest can fight over 1
>>723183101And the singleplayers got old by Gold and Silver.Make a PvP focused MMO and thats it, instead of random trainers, it just makes you fight against other players, would also fix the low difficulty issue.
>>723182437>people actually replying to this AI bot prompted to constantly scream about tendiesgrim
>>723181540>t.
>>723172457>Pokemon game is $10-$15 million USDONLY Their TCG game makes 3 millions A FUCKING DAY and they barely do anything new. I don't understand how can they be so cheap with their main game. They just don't give a fuck just like Nintendo... They unironically waste more money in trying to sue indie games.
>>723173137
>>723183189I will always respect Anno for having the MASSIVE BALLS of destroying 20+ years of shipping by introducing a new girl and making shinji end with her.
>>723180812>Team Asano pokemon gameHuh, what an odd combo to think about
>>723179479this will come out in 3 yearsstill looks worse then digimon
>>723182528UH OHMELTY>MELTYMELTY>MELTYMELTY>MELTY
>>723177072That's just a teenager version of the Galarian youngster.
>>723183251I am sure anon was specifically of MH STORIES as its first game was a flop (400k wolrdwide).
>>723182472Their fucking what?
>>723183415?
>>723180025remember the last devs that made a real pokemon game coli/xd gamefreak got so mad and went no more
Lol $15 million budget, clearly doesn't stop Nintendo kiddies from buying those so why should they bother. They will bitch and moan about how Pokémon is shit and then still buy them.
>>723183661kys subhuman lil bitch boy
>>723183762I can smell your shit river from here
>>723177424They are cheap fucks.
>>723183207I guess they gonna make that with Pokemon champion but i'm sure they'll find a way to be greedy jews and delivering garbage at the same time.
>>723183883Take the biggest whiff you ever took, you'll miss how mild it felt to you.
>>723183762Out of left field...
>>723183491Gamefreak is doing a soulsclone.
>>723180916for the biggest fucking IP in the worldmaybe the games should cost a little
>>723184000>esl babbleyup, as if I needed more confirmation.
>>723184026>>723183285
>>723182472>>723182701>>723184026The fuck are you going on about Soulslike, retard, you can roll in ZA to avoid attacks like in Legends Arceus.
594+ posts later, this must be one of hightest numbers of posts ever.
>>723181585one of these days they will end up remaking snakewood by accident
>>723172457not too surprising. the budget is ridiculous. and Legends: Galar already?
>>723184334there's no pattern, it's just whatever garbage they feel like doing next
>>723182276Aria of Sorrow costed most likely a milly and its one of the best games ever
>>723184057Why are you speaking the easiest language to ever learn? It's so cucked to only know one and pretend you're superior for being used to your own turns of phrases by pointing out others sentence structure which makes perfect sense in the first language they mastered.
>>723184248All be btw
There we go, 600+ posts. Bye thread :D
>>723184392And that's supposed to be bad?
>>723182621no as soon as sales suffer pokemon will just go the way of star wars
>>723184478Don't worry I'll make a new one to shit on your favorite company.
>>723184531yeah, pokemon games are bad
