What the fuck do I even build?I've spent 2 hours on the Character Creation and I already have decision fatigue
>>723180437HumanMaleWhiteFighterSimple as.
>>723180437play through the game once with white male human fighter and when you hit a block go back and apply yourself.Or just look up a guide.
>>723180437bloodrager
>>723180437Unless you're playing on Unfair like an autist, whatever you want to play as will be good enough and you don't need to worry about multiclassing.
>>723180437Bro do you not have an OC character in your head? Just fucking make that. Every RPG game gives you plenty of characters that will fill any role you don't have.
>>723180437running kineticist is funoverwhelming soul subclass for high risk/high reward since you get bonuses at max burndeadly earth is hilariously stupid op, shame it fucks up your party as wellyou can also mod in sub classes and other shitfor kineticist, i have chain infusion added and zippy magic to work with blast again so it's just a glorified chain lightning machine without the need for resting for spell slots back (you just accumulate burn instead)
>>723180437Human Mutation Warrior (it's better than base Fighter and easily the strongest melee in the game). Put STR at 20 and dump your INT. CON should be your 2nd highest stat followed by DEX and WIS respectfully (dont worry too much about DEX, you will be in full plate which negates any DEX bonus). Use a Greatsword and take all the power attack/cleave feats and then go for the teamwork feats. If i recall, as a Fighter you will be able to use teamwork feats on your character even if your party doesn't have them which is bananas. Take any feat that increases your damage. Take Lunge when you can for reach. Put all 5 stat points into STR. Become a Demon for extra claw attack which stacks with your mutagen headbutt attack (more damage per round is nuts on this class). Remember to not be evil though because thats gay. You will become Legend later on which is an additional +5 stats to STR making you a fucking murder machine. Pick party members that are good at buffing you. Put some heckin bufferinos on your mutagen warrior and enjoy the show (hint the show is mass murder and you are the culprit)
Just make a pally or sorcadin, ffs.Setting nearly screams for one, and you are rid of "I found! uhhh something" at least
>>723180437Don't pick anything with lightning, until you can actually bypass immunities is actually 1000% useless
I will never understand why there's no in-game build planner, especially considering the harder difficulties absolutely require minmaxing builds.
>>723181486>for kineticist, i have chain infusion added and zippy magic to work with blast againI though they nerfed this for being too fun. Did they change it back?
>>723182894Noyou have to mod the zippy magic working with blasts it back in
>>723180437I'm assuming this is your first time, so here is some advice: play on easy. Owlcat does not give a fuck about throwing stuff that is blatantly bullshit at you.
>>723183290I went back and started playing Kingmaker again, and that game is so much fucking worse about it.
>>723181974>sorcadinThis isn't baldur's gate 3, a paladin/sorcerer would suck
>>723180628This, but paladin
>>723180437here
>>723180437do inquisitor with petgo aeonfuck arueBe a good janitor and clean it up
>>723180437You might as well just jump in because it's all downhill from here.
>>723180437If you want an actual viable class then you need to focus on either a Wis or Cha class and take a dip level into a monk class so add scaling with those stats.It's kind of shitty, but unless you're playing on easy it's more or less mandatory you do this.
>>723180437>have to pick all abilities you'll level up with before starting the gameThis single handedly ruined the game for me. Why not let me pick them as I level up, so I can feel out a build as I go?
>>723186631Pally is just a moj bot in wotr and strictly inferior to Fighter. If you take the mount it sort of puts you on parBesides you get seelah and she makes a fine moj bot. If you dont like her character you can use one of the hirelings instead
>>723187205>Pally is just a moj bot in wotrAnd that makes it better than basic bitch fighter by default, yeah
>>7231804371/4th the game character building, 1/4th the game are loadscreens, 1/4th the game is buffing before each encounter, and the rest of the 200 hours are actually playing the game. it's great
>>723186824No, it isn't.Any full caster, support caster and mount user can ignore this , even on unfair.Why do retards who know shit about the game parrot shit so condidently?
>>723186824>but unless you're playing on easy it's more or less mandatory you do this.That's really not true. I played a Metamorph on release on Hard and I didn't have many issues and my experience basically amounted to a bit of Kingmaker, I barely knew what I was doing, just mass buffing got me through most of the game. Haste is the single best spell in the game, if you know how to cast that, you're fine.
>>723187270Default Fighter especially with the mythic armor changes is quite good and the base class was already quite good anyway. You get loadsa feats and can easily grab all teamwork related feats making you a real melee monster. Paladin is very one note and without moj is really meh. Also feat starved to a bad degree. If you dont have a moj bot then you really do need one especially on higher difficulties. Otherwise paladins aren't all that necessary. This isn't bg3 where they do insane dpr
Anything as long as you go Hellknight.
>>723187547Normal or Signifer?
>>723187587dosent matter.
>>723180437I like to larp as an anime wizard / blasterMagic Deceiver goes from 0 to 100 rq in act 3 either that go angel cleric and become the wrath of the righteous (just like the title)
>>723180628Titan Fighter, dual wield 2H swords and enjoy
Spell casting Oracle and drown everyone with tsunami.
Azata Enchantment caster was really fun, one Hideous Laughter and the entire map was on the ground. Sure Crossblooded sorc has its spell progression cucked hard but a few spells is all you need to control the entire battlefield.
If you aren't a build autist, you need to find a cool portrait and concept and then just roll with it. If you want something thematically sound and mechanically strong, the base Paladin class is an easy choice. That said, I got about halfway through act 3 on my first real playthrough and learned enough about the game and story to want to redo it. Just an FYI, when the game says "Requires XYZ Mythic Path" in the early game, that doesn't mean it requires it, it's more that it fulfills and unlocks the path in the future. Also Camellia is an amazing character. Not even cooming or anything, it's great having a character that is a vicious high school girl that purposely agitates the group. It's always a joy to see her party banter pop up.
>>723180437GnomeFemaleBlackFey Bloodline Sorcerer
>>723180437HumanMaleAngel pathOracleIt's so much goddamn fun
>>723187375>1/4th the game is buffing before each encounter,But that's what 3.5e oldfags like about 3.5e!
>>723189320Cleric Crusader is so much better than fagadin it isn't even funny. Thematically it fits way better too
>>723180437I know some people really like it but I hate the build wank in Owlcat games. It feels like a chore to have to spend a significant amount of time reading feat descriptions when you level up. Pathfinder isn't horrific but Rogue Trader is a fucking chore.
>>723187004>let me pick them as I level up, so I can feel out a build as I gothats literally what happens, what the fuck are you on about?
>>723180437It dont matta, owlcat makes a relatively complex system with a bunch of shit that sounds interesting but none of them actually know how to play video games so they just make you able to pick everything at random and still faceroll their games
>>723190346Actually thats not entirelt true its not a 100% faceroll all the time, just most of the time, the balance is so all over the place though that the times its fucking retarded bullshit, its going to be retarded bullshit that makes you turn the difficulty down to easy no matter what you do, because thats the only difficulty they actually play and have tested
>>723190346>>723190702shut the fuck up the both of you and pick MoJ Seelah and Nature mystery Daeran and watch as Creeping Doom solos another D&D game at any difficulty AGAINDruids can't keep getting away with italso try Angel Druid. No thinking, all buffing, orbital strike causing invincible monsters ready to scrub demons from Sarkoris.
What do the path spells "scale" with?I just want to make a fiendflesh shifter punch manFuck becoming an animal, I want to claw shit
>>723180437I tried doing a sorcerer build but it was kind of weird. Sometimes I'd hit those hellfire rays for 800 damage and sometimes they'd hit for 40 and that's it. Sometimes I would use the lightning spell and it would bounce multiple times and deal 400+ damage, other times it woud deal nothing at all. I couldn't be fucked to figure out why, it's not like the combat was that hard on normal difficulty.
>>723180437I made an emo blood kineticist vampire and turned even more to the dark side as I played (because of camcam)
>>723193687resistances and immunitiessome monsters are immune to precision damage so ray spells (chain lightning/hellfire/etc.) do literally nothing despite you having ascended elementif you don't have ascended element, then you're subject to resistance values and elemental immunitiesmost demons are electric immune and have some sort of fire resistanceincorporeal enemies take half damagesome enemies are crit immunethe list goes on
>>723194074Yeah I imagined it was something like that, I couldn't be bothered to read up on immunities, so it's my bad. I should've just went with a swordsman build instead. Sorcerer was pretty boring until way late into the game where I got those two spells and started doing big numbers, but even then it was underwhelming. Usually I enjoy a game's mage class' late game power spike but not this time.
>>723194693i mean you still have to worry about incorporeal, crit immune and/or precision immune mobs as a meleeall you'd be cutting out is the reliance on elemental damage, which i suppose is most enemiesthe aforementioned res/immunes are pretty rare, but when you encounter them, it's really fucking annoying
>>723180437>majority of the characters constantly joke around and never treat the situation seriously even though you're getting invaded by literal demonsAbsolutely cringe
>>723197494Not really, just avoid the reddit characters and you're good. That was my problem with DOS2, EVERYONE jokes around all the time in that game. Wrath isn't like that
>>723180437>wotrmake a paladin and go angel
>>723189515What's a solid build for crusader? Playing on hard. I'm guessing no dips?
>>723180437human oracle angel
>>723180437Beast Rider Cavalier with any pet that would became Large at level 7. That's what i did, picked Triceratops and after a few levels and items it was nigh-unkillable and also hit like a goddamn truck. Oh, and you can't be hit while you're mounted, all damage goes to the pet first. Also made Regill one and gave him a velociraptor, dude zapped like a lightning across the battlefield. Also Trip feat.
>>723197627Wrath is absolutely like that, and if they don't joke around, they clearly don't take the situation seriously and their dialogue is meant to be funny (Nenio being the most notably example)
>>723197494unlike BG3 right
>>723198891Took you long enough, usually you mention BG3 sooner.
>>723197494Counterpoint: some of the dramatic scenes can be unbelievably kino. I still get chills when I hear Ember's lines when you unlock mythic paths at the end of act two.
>>723180437I hope you didn't spend any money on this anon
>>723199037I'm playing Kingmaker
Is kineticist kino?
>>723200276It's kinda boring
>>723198621>I'm guessing no dips?correct, go full angel merged spell bookfor mythic pick up the abundant spells / enduring / favored metamagic(extend)for class, grab w/e early, outflank(if you plan on melee) and improved initiative are decent picks make sure to get conjuration focus / greater later on and then said grab extend 15+after that you can either grab more metamagics or the stuff to gain shatter defensesyou can figure it out by that point, you have per round spells that last 24h and power spell options, read a few of them and you will probably come up with something
>>723200792Combine that with a Brown-Fur Arcanist and you basically have all the buffs you will ever need.
>>723197494this game genuinely has the most unlikeable cast of party members of any CRPG i haven't played. i never played a DA game after 2 so maybe that's why but man none of these people are interesting let alone pleasant.
I couldnt get past act 4
>>723201121I see a lot of ppl talk shit about act 4 and desu that was my favorite part
>>723180437Think of a concept first to funnekl the options down.>Oh. I want to play a guy with a sword and no magic. Hmm, fighter, barbarian? No, I want a horse. Cavalier!Like that.
>>723197494?Characters who never joke:>Arushalaee>Regil>Sosiel>Trever>All the Lich companionsCharacters who joke from time to time:>Camellia>Seelah>Ember>UlbrigCharacters who joke all the time:>Daeran>Woljif>Nenio>Aivu
>>723201270Everything about it bored me or annoyed me. I was really hyped coming out of act 3 too hit that wall. Maybe I could try again but idk.
>>723201270if the map didn't change based on the camera angle it would have been a lot more enjoyable.
>Cavalier>Gendarme>toybox the horse into a dog>spam charge every battle
>>723201270It's objectively the best part of the game even with the garbage camera gimmick, simply because there is no crusade minigame
>>723201270My big issue with it was a lot of the bullshit fights. They are fine once you've played through once but getting ambushed by a bunch of perma invisible vrolikai or those kineticist fuckers in the upper zone was bullshit the first time around.
I like slayer deliverer because it's an interesting concept being a good guy who does a god's dirty work and you get access to sneak attacks which are my favorite mechanic in crpgs.
I played this up til act 3 and then kinda just took a break for a couple years and now im scared to go back cause I dont remember shit. But at the same time, I dont wanna restart my run so idk what the fuck to do.
>>723186801I did a run as an Inquisitor of Erastil with 4 points in Gendarme/Sohei for extra feats and shit. Aeon, too. Was pretty fun. Unfortunately like most non merging mythics it doesn't really feel super strong until act 5.
I re specced to 6 Kineticist spamming deadly earth.Fuck Owlcat.
>>723189320REGILL IS BASED AS FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>723205640>Has the best plans.>Knows how to win fights.>Tells you what you NEED to hear, not what you WANT to hear.>Pragmatism is best when fighting beings who show no mercy or remorse.>Game considers him "Lawful Evil"I don't agree...
>>723206276>the best plan of grabbing a bunch of civilians and conscripting them as canon fodder (which is also yes, evil)
>>723206276You should agree. He's one of the only times a game has made an "Evil" character make sense. "Evil" in D&D is meant to be about pragmatism at the expense of altruism. Kill a wounded soldier to not waste supplies that could go to the able bodied ones. The problem with alignments in pretty much every single video game is that they boil down to:>[Good]: Help this person>[Neutral]: Help this person, but demand payment first>[Evil]: Kill them for literally no fucking reason
>>723206276>>Game considers him "Lawful Evil"His actions are absolutely Lawful Evil, he works for an organization aligned with the Hells, he's very much so the embodiment of "the ends justify the means" and he's only so useful to us because we conveniently fight against the things he doesHe's without a doubt one of if not the best examples of an intelligent evil characters to come out of an RPG
>>723180437Duel Cursed Oracle with Horse Mount into Chadgel Orbital Strikes.
>>723180437Kitsune(pounce)dex / crit wep10 deliverer, 3 knife master(kukri)(or other choice) rest any DW, grab lunge press charge to deletetrickster probably optimal but go anygo legend, 12+ bloodrager(serpentine) (at 12 gains a range inc)rest any, could probably go for a mut warr(for mutagen), or pally if you have char(you do)(saves+smite), or sohei and setup a style strike, you have optionsadd legendary proportions or frightful aspecthave the range to hit everything on the screen when centered on charpress charge to delete
>>723180848>Unless you're playing on UnfairYou're saying that as if the gargoyle rape cave is a walk in the park on core
>>723209380>gargoyle rape cave is a walk in the park on coreit is, unbreakable heart / glitterdust should cover any issues
>>723209380>corruptor stinking cloud>death ward to prevent damage from channel negative energy from the gargoyle clerics>greater invisibility on your martials>animate dead to create a wall of skeletons
>>723206371>>723206594>>723206646Fair enough.
Also playing this for the first time and stuck on character creation. Is werewolf or weretiger good
>>723215524Epic page 10 bump.>LE PLAYING FOR TEH FIRSTEST TIEM (I MADE THIS THREAD 1000 TIMES BTW)
>>723180437shitty game. solasta did better with much less
>>723180437>decision fatiguelmaoEvery "build" in this dogshit excuse of a videogame plays exactly same, you just put on 100 buffs and watch your characters autoattack as you wade through 9000 trash encounters on flat empty maps.
>>723206594>"Evil" in D&D is meant to be about pragmatism at the expense of altruism.no. gygax said killing orc babies in the cradle is a good act, remember.Good and Evil are elemental forces of the universe and you are pushing grains of sand around on the cosmic scale.
>>723215825Weird how you expect a Lawful Good character to be about "honor" when they are killing someone who can't defend themselves.I would expect a Lawful Neutral or a Lawful Evil character to do that, but I can't see a Lawful Good character, for example, killing an enemy that just surrendered and dropped their weapon.
>>723216719you know how bringing "balance" to the Force means destroying all the dark side usersthat's how D&D's cosmology works. you killing the orc babies pushes the little cosmic grains of sand away from Chaos and Evil, and towards Order and Good.orcs are Evil creatures so killing them is always Good.
