they are still releasing games for 8th gen consoles
Xbox needs to release in 2026 to be competitive
>xboxbut /v/ told me microsoft abandoned xbox?
Xbox is dead bro
>>723209383>next Xbox aiming for 2027If it even makes it to 2027
Why can't these assholes wait until 2029 or 2030? This is absolutely ridiculous.
>>723209383I will never buy another console.
And that's good.Heres the thing lil nigga...If they released games for PS2 I'd buy them.I don't know who these boys are that just throw away their game box when the new hotness drops but I'm not one of em.
>>723209383>and xboxlol lmao
>>723212628Why are they even making anymore consoles. I stopped giving a shit when they both decided to play being PCs instead of game consoles.
>>723209383But we didn't even get games yet
>>723213271Nobody actually cared about that so you're most likely making an excuse due to hard financial issues.
>>723213271Well its been tradition for a long time and many are still preferring consoles. Sony also can't really afford to not make consoles. If they go third party like Sega did would their games still actually sell all that well? I think a big part of their success in gaming is because they have gotten their fans accustomed to them being a constant routine force within the industry. No more Playstations at this point would seem very strange to me. Definitely would be a sign of a huge change. Even Xbox leaving is a huge change since they have been around over 20 years.
>>723212628>Why can't these assholes wait until 2029 or 2030?Because both CEOs have failed miserably. For Phil Spencer, pretty much every MS game since 2020 was here today, gone tomorrow. For Hermen Hulst it was cancelling a dozen live service games only to double down and commit to even more.
>>723213271>Why are they even making anymore consoles? The browns need their fifa machines
>>723209383Worst video games generation ever. It should last at least another 5 years so maybe we could get actual games.
>>723213498>sony cant afford to stop making consolesSony can just keep raking in money on its insurance and financial products. They could drop the entire game division and be fine
>>723209383>next xbox
How long before game pass comes to the PS5?
>>723213463If I put my finances into this, I've wasted my money while having buyer's remorse.>>723213498>traditionThese two retards been producing the same shit since the 7th generation. They've done nothing but stagnated and downgraded the industry destroying the budget of games leading to the second crash that Nintendo and PC gaming will once again survive. The only ones who would complain that PlayStation and Xbox are gone are normalfags, for the rest of us, it'll just be a return to the 80s and 90s of gaming with the NES, GB, DOS, SNES, GBC, and Win 95. I feel like this is still the PS3 vs the Xbox 360 and that's just sad.
>>723213541Yeah we might see both Microsoft and Sony leave console gaming but not because they wanted to. More that they had no choice due to dumb decisions. Nintendo though will be safe.
>>723212628Because Sony needs to force people away from PS4 and devs are still shaky on PS5. It's likely why they're doing the handheld hybrid and console releases. There'll probably be some mandate that forces devs into the PS6 market and they quickly sunset PS5. They're also trying to get away from the constant failures in live services releases they did, so assume when Marathon and Fairgame$ both flop they move onto PS6 since they have nothing else coming out on the horizon now that Yotei is released so it would give them a fresh cycle to try and hype new IPs on their new platform, on top of pushing a better version of PSSR the PS5 Pro doesn't have.Microsoft is trying to pivot quickly away from console gaming which is why this next Xbox is supposedly a PC and Xbox hybrid thing that's all digital to push their specific market. They've already thrown in the towel, this is more of a transitional gen and experimentation before they become a third-party that seems to want to do what Valve did with Steam Machines but they're the producer of said machines.Yes, this gen only realistically started in 2023 for the normal, general user, but to Sony and Microsoft they're both viewing Covid's issues as nonexistent and believe the gen started in 2020.
>>723214301>I feel like this is still the PS3 vs the Xbox 360 and that's just sad.Not sure why you feel like that when the very politics itself has completely changed. Or rather was forcibly inserted to be a thing within the industry where as back then in the PS3 vs 360 days they were at least pandering to a male audience and wanted to keep them there. We are far removed from those days even if the games feel the same to you the industry itself is nowhere near what it was back then. Its woke, even more corporate and tiring today than ever. You didn't see shit like that recent study about how "lol nearly half of all gamers are totally women guys"
>>723216425>Not sure why you feel like that when the very politics itself has completely changedIt's literally the same fucking games with the same fucking franchises, more so with Xbox, PlayStation got stuck in the 8th gen and never left it. I can't do this anymore with these pieces of shit consoles. I'm just getting a Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2, I'm done.
>>723215930Sony is not leaving console gaming, why are you this delusional? Having failures in their garbage live service push doesn't change the fact they're still the market leader in this "High fidelity AAA" market they've cultivated with Microsoft, the PS5 itself has still sold 80 million systems with virtually no games to speak of, and they've been making more profit than ever before (Even if that's because they're counting games released on both PS4 and PS5 sales as Playstation platform sales). Thinking Sony is going to disappear is delusional.
>>723216425>Le politicsThat shit is just the same consultant shit that they were already doing in 7th gen.The only difference is that engagement farming became a thing in the 2010s, so you're more aware of it.
>>723216425I've been thinking about this recently. The skeleton of the game design has stayed the same as the 7th generation but there have been some weird changes.Games stretch themselves thin to a retarded degree. There is about 10 hours of good game there (and 7th gen games knew to stop there) but it's stretched the fuck out to 40 hours or more to provide a "better deal". I know why they do it, and I hate everybody who treats games as a dollar per hour investment who is responsible for this. It was awesome being able to play through a new fun experience every week on Xbox 360. Aside from content bloat there is also mechanical bloat. Nothing is really direct anymore. You can't just do a thing you need to take multiple steps. Crafting systems in fucking EVERYTHING for example.Player control has actively gotten worse. This is noticeable in Red Dead Redemption 2 and Resident Evil 4 Remake with their wobbly shit aim easily but its present in seemingly every game to some degree or another. It was like "PS2 jank" was solved but then they had to reintroduce pseudo jank but in a "polished and realistic form". Somebody needs to deep dive on this because it's really fucking weird.
>>723217326>wobbly shit aimthat was a thing since RE5 at least. The first time I played it I thought something was wrong with my mouse
>>723217136I don't know why people still lump Sony and MS together. Only Xbox dies, all the issues they have are either minimal or not present on PS. It is also very likely many of the Xbox players will go to PS and boost their numbers for quite a while.
>>723210114They probably have contractual obligations to make another system. They could buy their way out of the contract but they're not gonna do that.
>>723212628You make it sound like releasing a new console will hurt you.
>>723217326>stop maxing out games, realize the last few achievements usually require double or triple the playtime for nothing>put rpgs on easy difficulty where they allow you to dramatically shorten the grind, either because you are much stronger or killing enemies is much faster>stop playing games with very repetitive or dull progress blocking mechanics>suddenly video games are fun again>suddenly finish ten times as many games as before>suddenly making an actual dent in my backlog
How many games is the PS6 going to have?
>>723213878They would make a lot less money if they did.
>>723217172>>723216726You two are both super delusional if you think its literally the exact same. They were in no way pandering to all these fucking trannies GTFO with that shit. That became a thing last gen. Seventh gen was very much the dudebro war shooter era where COD became the humongous juggernaut it is today but even COD changed face big time compared to what it used to be like. Hate to have to do this but go watch fucking crowbcat's video on COD and tell me if modern COD is the exact same slop as 2007 MW. >>723217326Exactly, the skeleton may be the same but as I mentioned with trannies, the games sure as fuck trooned out hard. Everything is far gayer and more jewey now. 2007 gaming would look like paradise in heaven compared to the crap we have to deal with right now.
Realistically speaking how much of an actual technical leap would it be to go from a PS5 Pro to a hypothetical PS6 anyway? Last generation’s shift from spinning hard drives to NVMe SSDs eliminated a major bottleneck, but what else is there left to overcome? Would it be just a PS5 Pro+ with higher resolution and framerates and a slightly redesigned controller?New console generations are as boring as annual iPhone upgrades now. I don’t know why Microsoft even bothers any more; they’d be better off just making their games available on PlayStation and Switch whenever possible. The reason they got into consoles in the first place was because they were scared Sony might threaten their Windows monopoly but 25 years later it’s clear that’s never going to happen. Sony owns the living room, Nintendo owns handhelds, Microsoft owns the desktop, and Apple owns F2P mobile gacha crap.
>>723218214>You two are both super delusional if you think its literally the exact same. They were in no way pandering to all these fucking trannies GTFO with that shit. That became a thing last gen. Seventh gen was very much the dudebro war shooter era where COD became the humongous juggernaut it is today but even COD changed face big time compared to what it used to be like. Hate to have to do this but go watch fucking crowbcat's video on COD and tell me if modern COD is the exact same slop as 2007 MW. The same crowd of consultant retards were already there and trying to appeal to an imaginary broader audience while strangling the actual studios making shit, the only thing that changed is that they moved to a new imaginary audience after everyone realized that normalfags only play FIFA, Madden, TV and approximately two other normalfag games per generation.
>>723217326>I know why they do it, and I hate everybody who treats games as a dollar per hour investment who is responsible for this.The thing is that for many people it's very hard to justify more than $15-20 for these games that are like 4-10 hours max, and even when they are that price (To a T is a good example) it's still better to wait for that $5-10 price drop just because of the short length of the game. It's not even a "$1 = 1 hour of playtime" thing, it's just that the value for the price is astronomical, especially because you can get so many older and better games for that price that are guaranteed to be on par or better than it. Try convincing someone to buy Lil' Gator Game for $20 brand new when they can buy A Short Hike for $5 on sale for example. People are also way more accustomed to waiting for sales, me included, so I'm not going to buy even your small games for full price. They will be cheaper within a few months guaranteed and I already have at least a hundred games on my backlog across multiple platforms.>Player control has actively gotten worse. This is noticeable in Red Dead Redemption 2 and Resident Evil 4 Remake with their wobbly shit aim easily but its present in seemingly every game to some degree or another.RDR1 and 2 are both meant to be played with autoaim. This also extends to the GTA games. It's why PC players who play with MKB are playing the games wrong. It's why the birds are entirely balanced around you snapping to them and shooting them, it's why Dead Eye exists at all (A completely useless mechanic on PC that breaks the game if you have a mouse), and it's why challenges want you to do levels with no damage taken (Something made significantly easier when you snap and pivot to a headshot instead of manually aim).Dead Space is another example of a game where you're meant to have slow aiming and miss constantly instead of how PC players expect it to play and why MKB is wrong on that game too.
Microsoft retired the Sexbox, most likely because their manufacturing partners are being switched over to making the Microsoft Nextbox.Meanwhile PS4 is still getting games because Japan never "upgraded" to Jim Ryan's shitty GaaStation
>>723218368>It's why PC players who play with MKB are playing the games wrongIt's a fucking 1994 MKB control scheme backported to SNES controllers with two analog sticks stapled on, it's not suddenly wrong just because it got ported back, dual analog controls are just shit.
>>723218021Games?
>>723218021Based on this rate of decline, zero
>>723218569>it's not suddenly wrong just because it got ported backIt is, because the entire game is balanced around dual analog controls, autoaim, and mechanics are built around those expectations. They're not expecting you to be completely accurate in your shooting in these games nor is the game balance of these games built around that. Dead Space's economy is built around you taking hits because you can't quickly aim and miss shots on stuff moving around which never happens if you're on PC. You can literally contest a Necromorph at point blank on PC without meleeing them or running away whereas with a controller you either take a hit or have to 180 and run. Same with RDR2, challenges expect you to make use of the slow down of Dead Eye paired with your autoaim that snaps you to the heart and then you pan up.Games are not as black and white as you make them out to be, and a huge amount of games are expecting the limitations of controllers and their aiming capabilities when you play them. Hell, perfect example is Max Payne 3 vs. Max Payne 1 and 2. 1 and 2 expected MKB controls, 3 expects a controller.
>>723209383hey i mean ps5 wasn't so long a->5 yearsi guess it's about where you'd expect a new gen to come out but... this gen felt so empty. i think of ps5 and i can't think a single "iconic" game. even ps4 had bloodbornei predict the next xbox is just gonna be a cheap gamepass machine and nothing else
>>723218368>Dead Space is another example of a game where you're meant to have slow aiming and miss constantly instead of how PC players expect it to play and why MKB is wrong on that game too.Dead Space control scheme is based on RE4, which means that anyone playing the game with more than one analog stick is also playing it wrong. You're meant to stop to aim.
>>723218310>Would it be just a PS5 Pro+ with higher resolution and framerates and a slightly redesigned controller?Yea. The ultra setting for consoles.
>>723218879>You're meant to stop to aim.You're acting like RE4's control scheme hasn't been changed for Dead Space either which it has, and enemies have been changed to accommodate you being able to slowly move while aiming.
>>723219000And the sequels to Dead Space have also been changed to accommodate more movement and aiming, which means that they are more suited to KBM.
>>723219285Except they're all still designed around controllers. Dead Space 3 should be the most blatant example of this by doubling the speed of the enemies to facilitate Universal Ammo and how all the advertisement for these games primarily focuses on the Xbox side of things typically.
>>723209383No, they're just releasing consoles. Don't expect games.
>>723212628Because a court ruling from 100 years ago dictated that companies MUST keep increasing in value to appease investors. There is no sitting on your ass and enjoying making a little profit, expanding, and investing money back into the company. No. That's literally illegal for a publicly traded company. So, they're FORCED to keep churning out shit and pissing people off in a no-holds-bar effort to squeeze every last dime out of the consumer.Note that Steam is not publicly traded, which is why (aside from legal shit with payment processors) they're still chill and not being complete dicks.
>>723219626Epic Games is not a publicly traded company.
This board has been saying that Xbox would not be making a new console since the OG Xbox fiasco. It’s been over 10 years and 5 consoles since then.
>>723219739Who the fuck is talking about epic games? God damn bots off their leash again.
>>723219993Nintendo is a publicly traded company.
>ps5 has no games>release ps6 (with no games)crazy strategy
>>723220146PS5 has sold fine without games.
>>723219626t. seething commie
>>723209383neither will have launch games
>>723213878>he thinks earnings in one department can just be dumped into the othershow dumb can you be?
>>723219382Eh, they flip flop all over the place.Extraction is a rail shooter, Dead Space 2 is more dynamic, Dead Space 3 shifts to a poorly implemented cover system and the remake just uses a poorly implemented multiplat sort-of-KBM style like everything else.The point being that console control schemes were in a constant flux of trying to work in a limiting environment until they ossified in the early 2010s and pretending that they are still relevant and that people didn't just forget how to make good controls due to relying on Unreal Engine defaults is retarded.There is ostensibly some balancing based on how bad analog sticks alone are, but there are already difficulty options in games, there is already a massive gulf within consoles themselves due to gyro aim and there isn't much effort put into coherently plotting out game difficulty anymore.
>>723220187I think people thought a new GTA and elder scrolls would be out by now.
>>723220383Only old people aging out of video games.
>>723218214It is the same shit, 7th gen was military simulators to get your ass to join the military, post-7th gen, is the same slop but now it's meant to turn you gay and bring in third worlders and cunts. The goal for Sony and Microsoft has always been the same, the "broader" audience, nothing else, nothing more. That's why post-6th gen, they stop making fun nerdy shit for kids and nerds and started making shit for normal faggots and forced third parties to follow their bullshit too.
>>723220473Yea, yea. Time for your prostate exam.
>>723219831If Microsoft is tired of Xbox (they are) then Xbox is dead, it's that simple. Same will happen to PlayStation in a few more years given that Sony's finally starting to get tired of the PlayStation. This is what happens when your company isn't really a game company.
>>723209383What is the point now that we're experiencing diminishing returns? I am not at all interested in>slight better graphicsI didn't even get the ps5 that long ago. They better be able to do pc mods and shit.
Calling it now, Elon Musk is going to end up buying xbox.
>>723220626>brings up diminishing returns>still bought a PS5Just stick with your PS5 until 2035.
>games still releasing for 8th genSo what, gen 10 releases and it's just years and years of 9th gen holding it back this time?
>>723220749I bought it to play ffxiv. My old outdated pc didn't handle the graphical upgrade too well. So $500 was better than all the shit i'd need for pc.
>>723220767Depends. Is the game available for crappy PCs?
The average assclown didnt get their hands on a PS5 until 2023. We got 1 final fantasy game, a remake of a ps3 game, a part 2 of a remake of a ps1 game, irritated dad sequel, a samurai sequel, an Amazon simulator sequel, spooderman sequel, another ps1 remake, a few indies, overhyped undelivered monkeysouls, playstation mascot sequel, and Astrobot.GTA will be effectively skipping 2 entire generations despite next year's release because theyre just going to release the actually optimized version for the PS6, Elder Scrolls will be skipping 2 generationsIts effectively a $500 Hulu and "replay your old collection" machine
>>723220819Well, you can play FFXIV on your PS5 until 2035.
>>723220767>holding it backAt this point releasing any console is holding everything back, the marginal gains from upgrading to the newest budget GPU are just going to get eaten up by poor optimization anyway.
>>723220831These days devs are making pc ports worse and worse. I'm not sure if this is intentional but it's obvious they're doing it.
>>723220867You people sure are stupid. You bought a console and only played games you didn't like on it?
>>723220884How do you know? How do you know it won't go the way of the ps3 version?
>>723220919Then consoles holding anything back are the last thing you should be worried about.
>>723220957Oh, it will. But not until 2035.
>>723209383I got a PS5 in 2023 and the majority of the native PS5 games I've finished so far (85, not counting PS1/PSP games) are also available on PS4.They ninth generation didn't even start.
>>723220380>until they ossified in the early 2010s and pretending that they are still relevantThey are still relevant. RDR2 was 2018. Dead Space 1 Remake was what, 2023? Controllers are still the dominant way everyone plays games including FPS games, except in the case of FPS games and things like RTS games PC controls are obviously considered way more. This can be seen from how you interact with menus, how games are balanced, and how general movement is done in games (Third-person movement being a good example).>but there are already difficulty options in gamesDifficulty options in games change very little, and it doesn't matter if you play something like Assassin's Creed Shadows on Nightmare or Normal it's still balancing combat around the fact your aim snaps to people or objects and kunai auto-aim towards people's heads. It's why when you go to MKB the parkour sucks ass on AC games but being able to freely aim without auto-aim with 99.9% accuracy breaks the combat in games with bows that free aim like Origins or Odyssey because you can kill enemies faster than they can run at you due to always landing headshots.>there is already a massive gulf within consoles themselves due to gyro aimVirtually no one but Nintendo uses gyro for actual aiming and the few games that do are exclusives. It's not even remotely a thing that's dominating the thought of developers because Microsoft's controllers are holding everyone back from advancing to that state.>there isn't much effort put into coherently plotting out game difficulty anymore.There is, and if you watch these "Behind the scenes developer" videos you will almost always see them testing everything with controllers first and foremost.Back then they were sort of just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what stuck a lot of the time, but nowadays a lot of focus is put into the limitations of controllers and how to build around them. Again: Birds in RDR2. They're awful on mouse and braindead easy on controller.
>>723221135Why didn't you just play those games on your PS4?
>>723220767It's very likely Sony forces devs into the PS6 ecosystem by sunsetting PS4 disk production/certification alongside PS5's. The current problem is that devs are too scared to jump into PS5 development due to the smaller userbase and more expensive game production paired with the fact they also don't want to give up the PS4 userbase. Another big problem is that devs in general do not want to move over to PS5 meaning that Sony is going to have to force them to do so.It's likely Sony is currently just biding time until the PS6 comes out so they can give developers peace of mind in going to it but also force them into it unlike on PS5 where they've been twiddling their thumbs and cutting off PS4 would cause them to burn bridges.As it is Microsoft forced all first-party devs to stop making Xbone games a few years back yet Sony didn't for PS4, so I imagine it's Sony's turn to do the same but industry-wide, especially since Nintendo is now on a much more powerful system that can also force devs to adopt the newer technologies they didn't want to.
9TH GEN REJECTED
>>723221315If they made something other than walking sim cinema slop, I wouldn't mind paying more. Like a new Socom game.
>>723221202Because I messed up the motherboard of my PS4 Pro and finding a technician in Japan is virtually impossible.I was waiting for the release of the PS5 Pro, but I'm glad I ended up buying a PS5, because the price of the Pro model in Japan is astronomically high.
>>723218459i have been an xbox guy since the 360, you are delusional as fuck. even die hard xbox people are jumping ship now. it's unironically joever for xbox at this point
>>723221554Why didn't you just buy a base PS4 to replace your PS4 Pro? It wouldn't been cheaper than getting a PS5 and you would've still gotten most of the same games.
>>723221554PS5 Pro isn't worth it anyway. PSSR is underbaked and makes games look worse than base PS5 versions while also introducing framepacing issues or more fluctuating framerates than what was stable on base PS5s. Simple example is that Quality modes that stuck to 30 with no drops on base PS5s can be at 60 but drop to 40s regularly on a PS5 Pro, and visually you're gaining next to no upgrades that are noticeable without a side-by-side comparison.It's honestly a complete waste of money and not worth it.
>xbox rumor that started on reddit was proven to be a lie>Retard in this thread doubling down, saying "But Xbox hardware is dead"you'd think Microsoft killed their firstborn child
>>723221751I play on ps5 and I don't even get the hate for xbox. Like their next console is supposed to be a pc hybrid, that's literally what I want the ps6 to be.
>>723220867MUH EXCLUSIVE FIRSt PARtY
>xbox >puts out more first-party games in a month than PlayStation does in a year>"eyyyo xbawks dead, no geams, rip bozo"Amazing logic....you autistic motherfuckers need to get over this exclusivity war and look at the facts.
>>723221137They may still be relevant if you are basing your definition thereof on the fact that they are still being used to appeal to the broadest mass of plebs, but they are by now hopelessly outdated and require extensive compromises just to work. They have ossified because everything that could be squeezed out of them has and they are only maintaining any kind of pace with KBM due to KBM being blocked by consoles and a general lack of proper control schemes in most games. There is effectively no thought being put into control schemes anymore, because we have reached a state of maximum refinement, there is nothing more that can be done with the simple dual analog controller while it exists in a market where games of all genres stretch far beyond those limitations.>Virtually no one but Nintendo uses gyro for actual aiming and the few games that do are exclusives. It's not even remotely a thing that's dominating the thought of developers because Microsoft's controllers are holding everyone back from advancing to that state.So games are not suited to be played on other controllers, by the same logic you use to state that KBM is unsuited.>There is, and if you watch these "Behind the scenes developer" videos you will almost always see them testing everything with controllers first and foremost.That doesn't mean that they are putting thought into it, it just means they are playing on controllers.>Back then they were sort of just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what stuck a lot of the time, but nowadays a lot of focus is put into the limitations of controllers and how to build around them. Again: Birds in RDR2. They're awful on mouse and braindead easy on controller.They threw a lot of shit at the wall, because dual analog is bad at the kind of full 3D that PC was capable of by 6th gen, but the current state is still mostly just slapping a lot of lipstick on a pig, they're doing this thing by rote because seemingly successful formulas were figured out.
>>723221805>I don't even get the hate for xboxIt's constant broken promises, constant bad game releases after constant hype cycles, and the lack of a reason to purchase the system at all. I am an idort who has every single system currently (PS5, SeX, S2, waiting on the SD2 to release and I'll get that too) and if I didn't specifically have game series I prefer on Xbox vs. Nintendo or Sony I never would have bought a SeX. Objectively the only reason you would buy their platform is sunk cost or GamePass and only if PC wasn't an option for you.>Releases everything on PC day one meaning there's no real exclusives for the system leading to people feeling less hype and reason to own that specific system when it's going to release elsewhere.Sony is also making this completely retarded decision as well by porting to PC at all. It's shooting themselves in the foot long term for short term profits.>The exclusives they do release are a coin flip between being terrible or being okay but not worth the asking price and better on sale.>Halo has consistently gotten worse with every iteration since 343 took over so their biggest name is now on par with random brand new IPs Sony or Nintendo release to test the waters.>Only gets the most mainstream Japanese games so if you want anything but what Capcom, Squeenix, sometimes Bamco, and sometimes Konami release you're completely out of luck as they're not releasing on your platform.>They don't even get physical copies for many games anymore and that goes doubly for Japanese games they do get.>Games sometimes run worse on a SeX than PS5.>The UI and screenshot/video capture system are so much worse than their competitors it's honestly insulting, and with every new UI update or patch they somehow make aspects of it worse like a year or two back when they stopped letting you pin as many groups to the home page as you wanted because it pushed ads down too low.>Controller lacks basic features like gyro that everyone else has.
>>723221751MS went back on their word so many times any somewhat reputable leaker has more credibility than them. Also the bigger issue for them is they actively making enemies from their own userbase. The Game Pass price hikes affects pretty much everyone in the ecosystem because it became the only thing you would want to buy an Xbox for. Half of the Series userbase is on S systems. The next PC Xbox hybrid will price these people out instantly and most of the current Series X owners as well. It is not even just the hardware, by that time GP will genuinely become unaffordable for these people. The biggest question is about Microsoft's willigness to make a next hardware and not even about the competitiveness in the console (PS will be significantly cheaper than a fully fledged PC) or PC space (everyone wants Nvidia and the integrated solution may not even have a significant performance/cost advantage). The biggest question is who will buy this system? Microsoft spent the last few years killing what is left from their own franchises, cancelling games left and right, price hikes without the slightest regard of the customer base (despite they built this gen on value) and making it clear there won't be any Xbox exclusives from going forward.If you read the reaction to the GP hike on social media, even on hardcore Xbox forums you saw how people reacted. The majority hates MS and you can bet the moment they need to invest significantly to continue with the brand they will go elsewhere. Anywhere really.
>>723209383And I'm still playing rereleased games from 7th gen like GTA IV and vYour point? No new good games have been made in the last 10-15 years
>>723222447>GTA V>good game
>>723222203>It's constant broken promisesThis. I was calling this out ages ago and they kept doing it. At this point no Xbox games exist until they are released. They can cancel Fable one day like they did with Perfect Dark and many others.
>>723222056>There is effectively no thought being put into control schemes anymore, because we have reached a state of maximum refinementWhy are you generalizing it this hard? Souls games are the perfect example of a complete control redesign for tons of third-person action games. Assassin's Creed even uses their control scheme now (Which sucks compared to their original control scheme) despite being different to it. Third-person shooters regularly try different things. Action games may use left to attack, up to heavy, down to jump, and right to dodge but they're constantly swapping around gimmicks and mechanics elsewhere. Sony started making great use of their touch-screen which every controller should adopt because it allows way more options to be easily accessed which their games show.Developers have gotten used to standardized controls but they are still trying things out, and in many cases the question would be the obvious "Why fix what's not broken?".>So games are not suited to be played on other controllersThat makes no sense at all. These games that use gyro aren't really releasing on platforms that don't have gyro or are usually first party games. Pretty much every example I can think of is first party.>That doesn't mean that they are putting thought into it, it just means they are playing on controllers.By what logic? Playing on controllers means they're going to have combat, aiming, and mechanics that are based on those controllers as the baseline.>because dual analog is bad at the kind of full 3D that PC was capable of by 6th genNo, it's because they had no standardized controller schemes until around gen 7. That's why everything homogenized.
>>723219626But they can't delay the gen even just a year at least? I mean ffs it will be 7 years sure but for one there was covid and two this gen has been absolute ass as many pointed out. To the point that about half of PS user remain on PS4 and PS5 literally has no great exclusive games. DeS remake is not a good exclusive its a bastardization and yet another demake on top of that. This is without a doubt the most sorry ass gen ever. Even Atari clears this gen. At least it had games for the actual boomers to enjoy.
>>723220214t. dribbling consoomer
>>723220550Cope bitch, Sony and Microsoft suck, the most excitement I got from 7th gen was the Wii, the DS, and the PC despite them falling off after 2008.
>>723213463Sony and Microsoft both say you're wrong. Sony explicitly called PC releases as "a money printing cheat". Sounds like a fuckton of people care.>>723222398Writing an essay in response to being called fake without providing a scrap of evidence means your autism is terminal. Ease off the ass-mad.
>>723225147Fucking delusional ass nintendo fanboy. You're straight up lying if you say the 360 was bad. I'm not saying the wii/ds were bad but to say those were the only 2 good systems out of the 7th gen is disingenuous.
Literally no games.
>>723226023The 360 was good from 2005-2008, that's it, I had more fun with the Wii, DS, and PC, I had all of them with the 360. I eventually just stopped playing it.
launch titles include remastered remasters of the last of us and horizon zero dawn can't wait
>>723209383when will u console fags that these console slopper companies entire business model is keeping u inside of a consumer loop that never ends with system after system and just slight improvements but yet still way underperforming even a poorfag $800 PC ... when will u admit that ur just being robbed every other year? what will it take for you to realize console faggotry is just a scam?
>>723228279>u
>>723209383We hit a ceiling on graphics 10 years ago. Now consoles are like phones where the newest one is a status symbol. The differences are all cosmetic.
>>723220473>faggots and trannies are the wider audienceNice try leftist faggot
>>723209383>trump wins midterm elections>launch postponed after 2028>world war 3 in 2028>everybody diesstill unsure what snoy's strategy will be going forward, now that they don't have any real competition left and MS pajeets will be selling super expensive windows PC as a console. are they going back to custom hw designs, low power/low cost hardware like nintendo with nvidia? will they finally move HQ from commiefornia to japan and start focusing on winning back japan? or they'll just double down on greed and woke content?
>>723230443>low power/low cost hardware like nintendo with nvidiaNah, I doubt this. With PS6 they're trying a lower power handheld PS6 that you can dock* (*sold separately) launching alongside the normal PS6. It's likely the cheaper option will be the handheld, the more expensive option will be the console itself. They've also positioned themselves as the high graphical fidelity AAA company so that's their niche while Nintendo does its own thing with lower budget and lower visual fidelity games.Past that it's up in the air because this gen specifically has given them a fairly large dose of humble pie with all the cancelled projects and underperforming games, Astro Bot and R&C doing better than they expected showing smaller games work, and them basically kicking a rock down the road with remasters to pad the time between releases. They might take those lessons to heart and stop chasing the live service dragon when Marathon and Fairgame$ fail, but if Marathon survives past six months that's going to be really bad for everyone because it confirms to Sony to keep investing into live service.We also have no idea if Apple or Amazon might try capitalizing on the vacuum. They both keep humming and hawing about doing so, the former has ties with tons of proper game developers due to Apple Arcade while the latter own gaming studios, and both have general clout to get people to their side. Valve is another option with that leaked project of theirs basically being a Steam Machine concept but by them so I can see them try peddling SteamOS + the fact it can run other PC launchers and GamePass. Someone will very likely try capitalizing on it.
>>723209383>attention customers, new empty consoles coming soon!
>>723210114There is no next xbox so this is how you can tell it's fake.
>>723231301this handheld strategy makes little sense if it's not connected to cloud so that you could access the same AAA games made for base PS6 at same fidelity. highly doubt apple or amazan will be making any big moves in terms of console hardware. amazon and google failed catastrophically with their cloud gaming projects. I could see apple trying cloud gaming as well late on, maybe starting their apple TV set brand or something which will come integrated with apple OS and cloud streaming solutions. but all these big tech players will be investing hundreds of billions into AI and robotics in the next 10 years, zuck himself said how it's super expensive and might be a bubble but not participating in the AI race now might prove fatal for the company in the long run. valve is a small fry, even if they try something similar like steam deck their hardware numbers are laughable. I could also see some big trillion dollar company like apple or even chinks/saudis buying playstation brand/business from sony. I'd buy it myself if I was elon.
A lot of the remasters sony have released exist to train development teams internally but without the risk of a new title while having a product to sell to recoup some costs. I suspect we'll see more PC ports for future titles as well as it has become clear the PC crowd will not be swayed into buying a console but are willing to buy games.
>>723231301>handheld PS6 that you can dock* (*sold separately)i don't think my sides could handle that
>>723212865new hotness? cringe
>>723225614People think Phil saying "four games" means only four games ever. People think Phil saying, not Indiana Jones as one of the four games meant not Indiana Jones ever. People think the pr speak about Hifi's meeting expectations means it was a success worthy of a sequel, when it just means they had low expectations for it.
>>723209383The best feature of the ps5 is literally playing ps4 games better than the ps4.What the absolute FUCK would the purpose of a ps6 be? There's no fucking games and the small ps5 games that do exist are fucking 3rd-person movie trash.
>>723209383The switch 2 is weaker than 8th gen consoles so blame them.
>>723209383I go to PC
>>723233812Over 12k games, little troon.
>>723233812ps6 gonna be the ray tracing gen yo
>>723209383>they are still releasing games for 8th gen consoleswhat gen are we on and what gen is the first gen?
>>723209383They were still releasing PS2 games when the PS4 came out
>>723231301>They've also positioned themselves as the high graphical fidelity AAA companyLie. Sony doesn't push for graphics with most of their games, they've chased live service slop this whole generation.
>>723218021>>723210532Pcück bait
>>723234025You're not actually counting all that shovelware on the ps store as well are you....?
>>723234531True, ever since the PS3 era, they’ve focused more on technical excellence and cinematic flair than on pushing raw visual fidelity. Some of their games, usually the ones made by Naughty Dog do push fidelity really hard, but their open-world titles, like the recent Ghost of Yotei, are nowhere near Rockstar’s level.
>>723219626> FORCED to keep churning out shit and pissing people offpissing people off is not good for stock prices.
>>723218214>>723216425You don't understand that you're a literal retard goyim golem. You're played like a fiddle by corporations that never gave a shit about you. Every single move that's focused on DEI or against is a corporate move that will earn them most dollars. None of them give a shit about trannies, niggers or chuds, all they give a shit about is which way the wind blows at current moment which will give them the most returns. The only people who get played by this anymore are browns or people with brown IQ.
>>723234531>Sony doesn't push for graphics with most of their gamesAre you kidding?>Demon's Souls Remake>Returnal>Ratchet and Clank Ripped a Fart>Astro Bot>Ghost of Yotei>Both TLoU remakes.These are all games released on the PS5 that are clearly aiming for high visual fidelity and looking either cinematic or expensive. It is absolutely their market.
Microsoft would be fools to do this at this point. They've already tailored themselves as a third-party publisher and are getting closer to it by the day.
>>723235873It's a typical Sony fanboy talking point but it's simply not true, the whole pushing fidelity thing. If we go by PS5 standards, 9th gen, then Yotei got mogged by Shadows, GTA 6 will 100% mog anything Sony makes this generation. I think PS5 standards just look like PS4 and the fact they came to PS4 proves that as well, Sony stopped pushing for visual fidelity. I think even ND is on a short leash with Intergalactic, if it flops they'll clean house.
>>723209383what about videogames tho
>>723212827Same, this gen was garbage
>>723236581Oh, well if you mean in terms of actual technological advancement I agree. Shadows looks amazing and genuinely incredible at how it uses fog and godrays among many other technologies to make the game look amazing and I only ever really felt that way with DeSR this gen. Just running through mountains I'm not supposed to to clear out the fog of war just to get sights like this is incredible.But the point I'm trying to make here is that in general they specifically are aiming towards the grafics and AAA crowd. The people who want that AAA money explosion of visuals and scope. That's their market and that's the space they've been competing in with Microsoft while Nintendo does its own thing. You might not think it's impressive or advanced but they are still absolutely in that space and their games are absolutely in that space even if it's not pushing boundaries as much as it used to.
>>723236920>But the point I'm trying to make here is that in general they specifically are aiming towards the grafics and AAA crowdSure, during the PS4 generation. They've clearly veered off to chase live service now and they've made it clear they're not gonna stop chasing that.
>>723209383>next xboxDoes Microsoft want a humiliation ritual?
>>723213308
>>723237682They also said they're going to be making more games like Astro Bot. Concord, Fairgame$, and Marathon are also all high graphical fidelity games in terms of effects and visuals even if they're not really that impressive despite being live service. Ghost of Yotei also just came out and it's still graphically pretty even if it's just Sushi 2.0.You seem to be looking at this more from the angle of noticeable visual advancement in technology whereas I'm speaking in broad terms. Broadly their games are still targeting graphics. Even Astro Bot has tons of particle effects, (I think) raytraced reflections on everything, deformation, fog, and more effects that clearly could not have been done on a lower budget or on the PS4. Even comparing it to Rescue Mission is like night and day visually.
>>723238054>You seem to be looking at this more from the angle of noticeable visual advancement in technology whereas I'm speaking in broad termsThe visual fidelity that can actually sell consoles is on another level too and I think that's why Sony is moving a little away from it or at least relying on brand power like the Marvel license. The type of visual fidelity that can actually sell consoles/games basically needs to be peak or close to it. I think the ninth gen was underwhelming in that aspect
>>723237984>gay dark souls>also on last gen
>>723225614>anything longer than a tweet is an essay because it is hard to understand and can't argue with itWhy would I be mad? No sane person believes Microsoft except a few completely delusional fanboys. People believed the "leak" because Microsoft is a notorious liar, we are at that point where they have to prove anything they say. No hardware to show? Then it doesn't exist. Pinky promise won't cut it.
>>723209383Nintendo still released SNES games when the N64 was discontinued.
>>723232757Problem is the moment you start these gotcha statements nobody will believe in anything you say anymore.
>>723240609None of these games were also on N64.
>>723221805My only real issue with it is the controller. I understand motion isn't everyone's cup of tea but I just don't understand why Xbox is so vehemently against gyro despite adding it for the multiplat versions of their games. Did Kinect scare them off that hard?
>>723240998It's cost saving. We are talking about the same controller that doesn't come with a fucking battery.
>>723241048I guess, but it just makes them look weird and outdated. It's not like there are that many games that only work with it and you could get ports for, but if you are literally the ONLY one in the industry without the tech it's kinda strange. Same goes for Nintendo and their digital triggers.
>>723210114Who do you believe? Some random "leaker" or your brain (if you have one) telling you that nobody willing to buy a new Xbox and that it would therefore be retarded to make one.
>>723210114They can make a next Xbox, it doesn't mean stores are going to buy it to sell to you.
>>723215930Where do you retards get the idea that Sony should stop selling their shitboxes? Sony is doing fine and if they could stop themselves from wasting 400m on live service trash that nobody wants they would even be doing great.
>>723219626>hehe can't grow infinitely on a finite earth am I right?Retards have been saying this shit for over 1000 years. Always just as smug, and always just as wrong. >are people just supposed to buy another carriage every 2 montsh?! No, new shit gets invented.
>>723225614And yet, nobody cared. See how that works? No consumer is well ackchuyallying a walmart electronics employee, it's just fake and gay internet autism.
>>723219626You can't just change laws, much like you can't just change a constitution.
>>723240042>platformers don't count because super mario 1985 you guys are fake gamers who enjoy wasting your time crying online
>>723242214what
>>723218310Get ready for the power of Path Tracing
>>723241429Leakers are retarded but Xbox is still gonna be made because they are massively popular.
>>723220867Don't forget Polyphony used to churn out two Gran Turismo entries per gen.
>>723241429>The ramifications of the CoD GP gambit not working out were just starting to get properly measured, but the thing that really stuck out to me was that suddenly, really concrete plans for actual MS Xbox HW went from being definitive, to up in the air, which was really startling given that this thing was meant to be out relatively soon. It was one of those situations where, despite folks being told 'hey, we wanna pull the trigger on this in 2026', the steps you would need to take in the lead up to delivering a new console gen weren't being met.The leaker didn't really provide anything concrete other than his claim steps weren't being met.
>>723209383Games?
>>723242214Being souls isn't the problem, sucking at being one is. Also gay and not current gen.
>>723220705I am no elon musk fan, but giving chuds a place to say nigger and tranny on mic will be a good thing so they can jerk off while shooting each other and drinking mountain again just like the old days.
>>723220705I bet he would consider if people spammed him on X
>>723220705>>723246218>>723246446>ChudboxIt would unironically work
>>723219626Firstly Sony is a Japanese corporation so US laws regarding fiduciary responsibility are irrelevant to them. Secondly Microshart hasn't made any money on Xbox since the 360 so them releasing a new console AGAIN is actually harmful to the shareholders.
>>723220919Dev time takes longer and longer so optimization for pc is discouraged.
>>723217648>contractual obligationsTo who?
>>723246741unironically, what would be wrong about going back to old school xbox with all the horrible shit talking
>>723247612would increase trans suicide
>consolesIrrelevant, offtopic
>>723209383does sony still release fifa games for the ps2
>>723247849sony doesn't release fifa gamesfifa games don't exist anymore actually
>>723247689he asked what would be wrong though
>>723210114Microsoft did, they just haven't told the Xbox division about it yetNext round of layoffs at the start of next year will include most of the Xbox hardware team
>>723209383This generation never began. And the hardware meant nothing, almost none of the current games look better than fucking RDR2.
>>723247689>>723247949For the record, I'm a gay liberal who believes in socialism. I think it's important to give awful people a space to be awful though. If trans people want to go on chudbox and get flamed until they commit suicide, that's their own fault.
>>723248430please kill yourselfthanks
>>723248535Why? What's wrong with me wanting people I disagree with to have a place to be terrible people?
>>723248659just do it
>>723247612>>723248430This.A Chudbox would be interesting, if not necessary. Definitely better than whatever the fuck they're doing now.
