Did something happen?Sorry, I was effortlessly playing my favourite games using Steam Proton on Linux.
>>723221771Troonix is not ready for gaming, it's not even ready to for desktop. I tried using it and it took like an hour just to get to Google Chrome. Troonix is autistic junk.
>>723221985Sounds like a you problem. Also>year of our lord 2025>using fucking chrome
inb4 the obligatory Windows tard appears to plead for Valve to release SteamOS for desktop, not understanding what they're asking for or even why.
I'm still on Win 10How long until all the hackers use their exploits to hack me?
>>723221771I'll go back to Linux when Mod Organizer 2 gets a NATIVE Linux version, so never.
>>723221771yea but play something OUTSIDE of steam and you have a different story, i liked my time with linux and was on it for a few years, and for server stuff it was bliss. but as a desktop to play games on, most of which i do not get through steam. that shits not ready, sometimes i wanna play games instead of writing my own lutris wrappers
>>723221771I enjoy linux because I don't like being cucked to oblivion by windows. But hey - that's just me.
Reminder all these threads are made by Linux newfags who never cared about it before Proton.
>>723221985>open discover>search chromium>click installUhh?
>>723222410Mod loaders not working on linux will be keeping alot of the more casual users from switchingOnce they have naitive apps then it will truely be the year of linux
>>723223307>sometimes i wanna play games instead of writing my own lutris wrappersCouldn't you just use a virtual machine with GPU passthrough then? I always figured that the best solution with using "problematic software" is to just use a virtual machine
>>723223513have linux tryhards tried not naming their apps the most cryptic names and just use google chrome like everyone else does
>>723223513>chromiumSo some shitty freetard ripoff? Troonix doesn't even have chrome? It's even fucking worse than I thought.Come back to me after you have something as basic as the browser 99% of people use.
>>723223480>HURR DURR IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE LINUX WHEN IT WAS SHIT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE IT WHEN IT'S NOT SHITFuck off, retard.
>>723223675Why would you even willfully use chrome? It doesn't even have proper adblock support anymore!
>>723221985It's decent enough for games, but it's not ready for desktop and never will be thanks to many factors, like no apparent use cases for shit just working.
>>723223587sure but i don't have a super powerful rig, it was getting to a point where to play the games i play, i have to run it through a VM on top of all the other issues linux has with nvidia. it just became a headache.
>>723223678My point is that Linux really doesn't deserve praise. Especially considering it did not become "good for gaming" on its own. In fact Linux troons were always incompetent when it comes to video games.
>>723223307writing lutris wrappers? what the fuck are you talking about anon, just add a game to heroic/lutris and select ge proton. or add it to steam as a non steam game if you're really clueless.
>>723222228this attitude of>i'm having problem with x>why would you ever use x?is a major reason why linux will never be taken seriously
>>723224006not if it's a executable that gets launched from another executable. then you really gotta go balls deep with it
>>723221771who the fuck uses CDs anymore? replace that shit with a USB.also arch btw.
>>723223678i was playing wow on ubuntu 10.04 just finebut i know you need valve to package everything for you into a nice proprietary launcher
linux is still a waste of time for gaming if you have an nvidia gpu, just use a debloated windows install for games
>>723223675>So some shitty freetard ripoff?Are you retarded? Google Chrome runs on chromium; chrome is literally a gui for chromium. Just get Ungoogled-Chromium, it's the same layout as chrome without any of the Google spyware.
>>723224892>open in prefix
>>723223675>So some shitty freetard ripoff?Clueless wincuck, chrome is based upon chromium, it's just chrome without the telemetry
>>723224883There are programs that won't work on Linux that someone actually needs. But Chrome isn't one of them.
>>723225358linux has plenty of alternatives for everything except very specialized software like photoshop which most people just don't need. gimp is gonna be plenty enough to create whatever meme you want to post here.the problem is that people don't want alternatives, they want to use exactly the same software, they want the system to look exactly the same, and that's just not gonna happen. if you want to move to linux prepare to make some changes, like not needing to manually update your software.
>people still seriously replying to the resident troonix autistbro is still trying to install chrone to this day
>Linux gaming
People here have the tech prowess of a pothead in high school, why would you even want any of them anywhere near Linux
>>723221985Why do trannies post on 4tran (a tranime site) and then seethe about other troons?
>>723223620i dont know a less cryptic name you can even have other than discover
I've switched to Haiku gaming.
https://x.com/LundukeJournal/status/1977590202873901194
>>723221985even with proton linux is faster than windows. With a higher marketshare and than more native games its over for shitdows.
>>723228338antifa terrorists BTFO
>>723221771Do i need to be a Code monkey to use Linux?
>>723228504no, the hardest part about linux is installing.
>>723228504nah, just install some of the easier distros like Bazzite/CachyOS/Nobara and its the same shit like windows without the spying.
What is it with Linux threads and all the baiters? Not even normal /v/ threads are like thisIs it all anons from that shithole /g/
>>723228504My friend uses Linux only using GUI, you don't need to know shit these days.
>>723228707EoS for windows was the best time for them to shill their shit on other Boards
>>723228707People on this board like to think they're very intelligent and don't like being confronted with the fact that they're too dumb to use a command line every once in a while
>>723221771>effortless lol, lmao even
>>723225084>just do even more time wasting shit that will break every time Windows updates instead of just switching to linuxWell the Indian average IQ IS only 75 so it's understandable.
Why do /v/troons seethe so much about GNU/Linux?
>>723228995>>723221771I just hear conflicting stuff from both parties What is better? Windows or Linux?
>/v/ whines that modern games are shit and slop>Suddenly it's a problem if Linux can't play those modern slop games that are shitHmm.
>>723229228Depends what you need, want and what version you are using.
>>723228887microsoft is its own worst enemy. full screen ads, copilot taking screenshots of your desktop, forced integration with onedrive, no more local accounts... why doesn't anyone want to use windows anymore?
>>723229228Depends on use case. If you don't mind the Microsoft mindset or just want straight familiarity, Windows. If you want to try something new or be more "free" at the expense of certain software compatibility (Even though it's not *that* difficult for developers to target Linux), try out a flavour of Linux.If you want some uncharted territory shit to try and make games work, try any flavour of BSD.
>>723229228Windows in 2025 is becoming both increasingly non-functional and abusive of it’s users.I found it too much when Win7 ended, apparently some people have tolerated it though.
For me, it's Cachy
>>723221985>chromeJust use Vivaldi or a Firefox fork or even fucking Brave or something you DOLT
Should I install CachyOS or Linux Mint?
>>723229321>>723229276Not saying you are wrong with Windows. I'm too used to this by now that i'm kinda scared to change and fuck something up, making my pc unusable, or something.I guess i'm just living too comfy with everything preinstalled
>>723229509Download a distro that does what you need it do, otherwise they are all basically the same and no more “easy” or difficult really.
>>723229509depends on your use case. if you like playing games and you're a power user go for cachyos. if you're a grandma that opens firefox once a month and loves windows 7 go for mint. if you've never used linux before and want everything to just work go for bazzite.
>>723229509Install Ventoy on a pendrive and search DistroWatch for Linux distros that take your fancy. Test out stuff like Mint, MX, Pop_OS, Cachy, Zorin, etc. and see what tickles your fancy
>>723229509Just pick one and go with it. It's a waste of time to be splitting hairs over distros when you don't have enough experience with them to know exactly what you need
>>723229580I mean you can just run linux off a USB or VM to try it out if you don’t want to actually install it.
Fedora has been my go-to recommended distro for newbies desu
>>723229603>if you've never used linux before and want everything to just work go for bazzite.lol
>>723229580>I guess i'm just living too comfy with everything preinstalledand this is exactly what allows microsoft to do what they're doing. monopolies are terrible for customers.
>>723229684I've been using Fedora for a year now and it's fine, good enough, not interested in shopping around for something marginally better. If you have a list of grievances with Fedora then you're already too autistic to be attempting to recommend something to newbies anyway
>>723229767The whole situation with EoS of W10 and the horrible Management of W11 made me think about it more.I do want to be more independent
>>723229782Fedora is good and it has rolling releases as well for more updated packages.I use Debian right now but Fedora is great and totally fine.Better than Ubuntu variants honestly for most people.
>>723229782>>723229978i like fedora too but it's hard to recommend to new people because non free repositories aren't enabled so it's missing necessary stuff to make youtube work for example by default which is a big problem.
>>723230083You can just enable them on install.To be honest people don’t need to be babied so much.If they are too lazy to read and put a little effort then too bad.
>>723229978>>723230083I am using Arch for 7 or 8 years now, was curious about Fedora once because they were faster with GNOMe 40 I believe it was, so I uninstalled Arch and installed Fedora on that same machine, GNOME was more laggy than on Arch for some reason. Back to Arch. But I must say my custom GNOME installation on Arch is very minimalistic so that could play a role
I JUST NEED NVIDIA DRIVERS TO IMPROVEIM NOT GETTING AN AMD CARD JUST FOR LINUX
>>723229509i installed cachyos because i couldn't preview my funny reaction images on mint during file upload and some games refused to run on it. Mint is retard friendly though and it's easier to bork things on cachyos
Install Nyarchhttps://nyarchlinux.moe/
Do you ever wonder if Linux would be properly usable if the various devs just got together and worked on a single version?
i see linux as a crutch so that the shittiest, cheapest and most stuttering computers can work properly again for basic documents, desk work, internet browsing and nothing else. i dont see the point of gaming in linux unless youre a masochist>>723230732more coders dont make the code better o algo
>>723229509They both have ugly logo that will look bad on fastfetch so neither.
>>723230669>>723230236>>723230083>use this >no use this>no, thisI'm confused... which one should i use now?
>>723221771post your battlefield 6 gameplay
>>723221771*at 70% the framerate of a comparable windows PC
>>723230732All Linux versions are either Debian, Fedora or Arch and once you realise this you see that people arguing over the different versions of Linux are just doing narcissism of small differences bullshit
>>723230916use the one i told you.
>>723230916Windows 11
For me it's Kubuntu
>>723221985Werks on me machine.
>>723230732Name 1 software for any industry where that happened.
>>723230916Ask 100 Linux users what the best Distro is, and you'll get 110 different answers
>>723231106Is that why people hate Linux so much?
>>723231082the linux kernel is as close as you'll get to everybody working together. that shit has everyone from governments to microsoft contributing.
>>723231042jesus christ linux looks like ass
>>723223742>Why would you even willfully use chrome?I like my stuff to work. Having a large company backing it ensures it continues to do so. Troonix and other freeslop breaks every week because the maintainers keep killing themselves.>>723225129>Google Chrome runs on chromiumI don't care as long as it works, which it does, unlike troonix.>>723225263>chrome without the telemetrySo chrome but worse? The telemetry tells Google if there's an issue so they can fix it. Freeslop like troonix is regularly unusable for weeks at a time because there's no telemetry to report issues.
linuxfags in general radiate an intense aura of narcissism and self righteousness that just makes them unpleasant to be around
>>723231239that's kde, we have dozens of different desktop environment on linux; and btw kde is highly customizable.
>>723230916Arch is the best because you always have up to date and the latest and bestest packages
>>723231396UI looks like it's made for tablets
>>723230916arch or debian, everything else is "arch but" or "debian but" and that's it>>723231470ui can be anything you want
>>723231470NTAYeah it's GNOME and it's made for autists and oldfags. KDE Plasma and Cinnamon are more Windows-looking
>>723231470he's a GNOMEfaggot
>>723230916+1 for bazzite
>>723231613>fedora
>>723231674Its the perfect retard tier os for gamers who are done with windows, but too dumb to use normal Linux distros (like me)I speak from experience
>>723231470the ui is made to be compatible with touch devices in general, that also means laptops and your odd touchscreen. >>723231575>GNOME and is made for autists and oldfagcan confirm i'm the former.
Imagine shilling for Microsoft of all the other possible companies.They were always huge pieces of shit and I only use their shitty systems because I had to. You don't need to be tech savvy to understand how bloated and shit they are, just open task manager and watch how your cpu usage randomly has 10% or so usage just for their shitty "antimalware" and similar shit that doesn't even have anything to do with Windows Defender.Their behaviour with 10 was disgusting buf thankfully there were ways to stop it from updating.11 is the last straw and the next pc I buy I'll use linux since linux devs make drivers even when the manufacturer doesn't for non Windows systems.Will stick with 10 for years just like I did with XP and 7.There aren't even any good new big budget video games coming out, just non stop stream of outsorced, soulless slop.
>>723231778>fedora>for retards>requires a 50 step post-install guide to follow in order to install Nvidia drivers and media codecsLol, lmao.
>>723231940See I don't know what any of that means but I can still play my games. I just add to steam, change compatibility to proton and install.
you're arguing with people who use chrome bros, just let them be their 80iq selves
>>723231940Even if it does do that (idk never used it) i also had to follow gorillion tutorials to make Windows 10 not be utter shite and to wrestle control of my own PC from microsoft.So who gives a shit anyway? Once you are done you wont't be bothered by AI using your resources and waking you up at 4 am to get an "update" that breaks everything and forces you to read and watch another gorrilion tutorials to unbreak your OS which worked normally before the "updates".
>>723221985>it took like an hour just to get to Google Chromewell yeah, it's not a os for the mentally challenged
>>723232186>sudo pacman -S chromiumwew lads, those 3 seconds to install chromium really wore me out.
>>723231935Yeah, maybe gonna do the same.Don't want to downgrade to W11, fuck that.
>>723223480I don’t remember people making their OS of choice their entire personality so definitely a zoomer here
>>723223565>mod loader >casual you guys are so far gone you don’t even remember what a normal human being is like. Someone accessing mod tools inherently isn’t really a casual anymore lol
When Deck 2 comes out, I'll just use my Deck OLED as a PC.
>>723226201>thinking your hackerman cus you managed to install bazzite successfully Do zoomers really talk like this ? LOL
>>723228906I feel like a genuinely intelligent person would probably just use windows the second they had to troubleshoot cus their time is valuable to them If you think fiddling with a prompt everytime you wanna do the most basic computer function is an “intelligent” use of your time well that explains why your on 4chan arguing about Linux gaming to losers who don’t even care
>>723230083You guys just have tons of free time to kill to get this all working ? if my OS didn’t run YouTube by default I would simply not use that OS
>>723232820>i've never used linux beforegive it a try, maybe you'll be in a better position to comment on it. >>723232923getting youtube working on fedora is literally a couple of commands, documented in their wiki which you can google in 5 seconds.
>>723232820In the time it took you to shitpost on 4chan today you could've learned everything you need to know to run linux.
>>723233138is that how you get normies to switch to Linux ? by telling them it’s an enriching learning experience ? what benefits does one reap from taking the more difficult path?
Arch Linux's popularity and its consequences have been a disaster for the Linux community. I remember when "Install Gentoo" was just a silly /g/ meme poking fun at hobbyist distros but now people all over the internet unironically recommend Arch, which is nearly on the same level in terms of install complexity and post-install fiddling.
>>723233271I don't really care if you do or not, just saying it's easy and your time is clearly not as valuable as you claimed.
>>723233039>but why would someone go through the trouble unnecessarily? your reply kinda implies it’s doing work for the sake of it but to most regular people that isn’t a compelling argument
>>723233418the main issue with your argument is that you're assuming that windows is easier to troubleshoot than linux, and that's just wrong. linux can and will save you time on the long run. run into an issue? just run this command. on windows you'll be 10 layers deep in gui settings to do the same thing.
>>723233418im on the clock right now though Can’t really watch Linux tutorials and troubleshoot an OS at work but I can pop in a thread to post. So this doesn’t really disprove what I said about it being a waste of time for most people Until valve releases a desktop version of steamos I don’t think most people will be willing to try it
>>723233279if you moving from windows because of the bloat you don't go for another bloat (linux)
>>723223307You just make a new Lutris entry with prefix location and ProtonGE works 99% of times. You can likely add dmusic etc.. to one prefix and use just that. Nu Windows users also need to enable So directmedia support and windows ltsc users even need vp9 and other codecs for games.
>>723233279It's not even close.If you think this way you didn't install Gentoo.
What games does linux NOT play? That will determine if i install it
>>723231239The tiny resolution and transparency on the start menu are the only problems there.KDE looks basically the same as windows, it just has basic usability and functionality.
>>723234040ValorantGames who’s anti-cheat specifically blocks Linux
>>723234040Most anti cheat related games.
just going to follow up from a thread a couple days ago. anon that was using Mint and trying to get Gothic to run with music, did using winetricks to install directmusic or running with Spine get you running at 100% finally?
>>723233630What the fuck are you using then? KolibriOS?
>>723234175Easy Anti-cheat is Linux-compatible tho
>>723234175https://areweanticheatyet.com/depends on the gayme
>>723234206i meant bloated distros
I installed CachyOS on a whim, it took less than 10 minutes.I was surprised how good out of the box experience is.To play gaymes I only had to run two commands after the installation.Not a single krash with KDE so far, which is impressive.
>>723234573it was believable until the no crashes KDE part
>>723234573>I was surprised how good out of the box experience is.i'm not sure why people have this idea of linux that it's a tiny half broken hobbyist project. the linux desktop has huge corporations behind it like redhat and valve.
>>723234474This is awesome, Linux is basically gonna keep fags from playing many games. Linux is like the worse place for multiplayer games.
>>723234763I've been only using it for a week at this point.No krashes with plasma is huge surprise for me as well.I've tried many distros Manjaro, Fedora, Gentoo, Arch, Kubuntu in the past and if I didn't make back-up I would break 90% of them within a couple of days.This is the first rule to learn with Linux, always have a backup!
>>723229509Just install Arch. CachyOS is a meme, since by the time it's a good idea to use it for the tradeoff of stability for performance, you will know enough about Arch to just convert an Arch install to use CachyOS optimizations (there's even a section in the CachyOS guide specifically for adding the packages to Arch). >>723231563Basically this.If you need newer packages on Debian, then you can probably cheat around it by now with flatpaks or something.If you want to use a lot of different software/hardware, then Arch mostly has you covered with the wiki, the AUR and its up-to-date packages.>>723233279Arch just werks.>>723232820No one fiddles with a command prompt, but every GUI mandates fiddling at all skill levels.>>723233605CLI is often the easiest, fastest and most universally applicable way to do a thing vs. needing to watch a 39 minute Youtube video in broken English for a GUI. You just read and copypaste.
>>723234205I just downloaded my steam version and subscribed to the union patch on the workshop and the game just works with music on proton experimental bleeding edge.
>>723234850the games that dont work shouldnt be installed on windows anyways, only retards give gayming companies full access to their pc.
>>723235075Tell me about your Gentoo experience
>>723231306>we have dozens of different desktop environment on linuxthen why didnt you pick one that looks good
>>723235309>schizo copeIts ok kiddo, theres no radio waves flying over your house.
>>723234842Because many distros aren't usable as desktop OS after installation without further configuration.With great power comes great responsibility, you have to pay attention to what you are doing.
>>723235309Yeah, and all of them are from companies you shouldn't give money to as well.
>>723235415fuck off sub 90iq zoomer
Remember when computer software used to be fun and not just the retarded shit we have to put up with to be allowed to continue existing in modern society
>>723235529>calling me sub IQ when his opinions and mind are warped beyond fixingYou people are really sad, but i guess being dumb is how you cope.
>>723222363If you are in the EU you get another year of free security updates. Just got to the updates panel and click you want them in a few days.
>>723235735ranjesh...
>>723235771wrong you need to login with your ms account every 60 days
>>723229228You want sloppy subpar user environments that causes you a headache just slight enough that you can manage to ignore it>WindowsYou want a new experience that changes a bit over time but keeps the basics the same while presenting you with more issues that can easily be solved with an IQ above 90>LinuxUnironic Windows drones just have no idea what they are missing and choose to parrot outdated or outright false information to feel better about their sorry OS they have been using since they were kids. That's why we can't have nice things. For the tech illiterate Linux is probably a better choice because the worst that can happen is a broken update once a year. And if you can't explain to someone how chroot or kernel versions work then what the fuck are they doing using anything electronic? Smartphones were the beginning of the end.
>>723235918My name is Kenny you schizo retard.
>>723235324I had 2500k at the time and it was 10 years ago at this point.Compiling took ages, but I've learned a lot.Building your own kernel correctly is very important because you will get into problems straight away if you forget something.If you aren't afraid of bloat go with systemd, it makes life easier. I've ran with many problems back then, for example Wayland didn't work well with nV cards with blob drivers and open source drivers were shit.So I ended up switching back to X11.Wiki is your best friend, same as with Arch.Highly recommenced you give it a try if you want to understand how your OS is built.
Still not using linux lmao
>>723221771
>retard proof>installs every driver for you>based on arch so you can brag to your friends>best performance on loonixtake the cachy pill
>>723236381Windows 11 pro dos this for me.
>>723236169Did you drive it at all?
>>723235984Wow what a requirement! I guess I'll switch to troonix then!
>>723236235jeetux
>>723236475I love the taste of boot leather too, brother
>>723236427yeah but it also spies on you
>>723231182No, diversity is our strength, chud.
>>723236471Maybe a couple of months, proton wasn't a thing back then so forcing games to run was hard.I had to dual-boot all the time so I went back to winblows like a little bitch.
>>723236551The know i watch tranny porn? Cool.
>>723236543You are the same person that says I should use proton which requires to be signed up for the steam jew 24/7.
>>723236632I gotta try Gentoo for fun. Have no idea how the kernel and all the subsystems werk
>Effortlessly>By that let me just quickly search for the exact Proton version I ne- oh wait this game needs me to downgrade my drivers 8 months ba- hold on I need to enable 6 quasi-settings just to get 80% of the performanc- hold on let me quickly paste these esoteric commands I don't understand into the termina- Oh ok this one is actually easier to install with Lutri- Oh wait there's actually a native linux version but it doesn't wor- Oh now my second monitor went dark for some reasonYeah maybe in 5 years you'll get there Torvalds.
>>723236725none of this happensyou just set the default proton to ge and start gaming
>>723236551The government spies on the entire Country 24/7, 365 days a year. If you have a social security number you have a life long tracker on you. If the US of A wanted to fuck you they would and you couldnt do shit. Just some free info for all the schizos in this thread.
>>723236725In the last 5 years I cannot think of a single game that did not run straight out of the box after buying using Proton. Installing GE was probably the only thing I did.
>>723225556No one wants chrome
>>723236909>big brother is spying on you so you should give your data to corporations as well
>>723236709I am not. And not only do you not need to use proton, you also don't need to use steam to use proton anyway.
>>723236925Same. It just works™
>>723236719It's very fun for sure, if you like learning new things.It made me appreciate how well everything works together, there are so many different configurations of hardware and software.It's a miracle PCs work at all with all the complexity.But at the same time you realize how much bloat there is once you build your OS to fit your specific needs.With how powerful the hardware is right now I doubt there is much performance to be gained but if you have some crusty old laptop it should make a difference once you compile everything nicely.
>>723236985They already have your data, the problem im seeing from all this is that people who believe they can beat the system when the system has had control since your birth. People with no money, no influence, and no knowledge of anything really are gonna out smart the big bad tech companies. Its almost like when a child hides from the parents and the parents play along.
>>723224883I wasn't saying you shouldn't use chrome because it's hard to install, I was saying you shouldn't use it because it's shit. If you really want it it's trivial to install, hence the first half of that post.
>>723237137I got the similar feeling after switching from Windows to Arch. It made me more interested in the software in general.
>>723237217There's this weird thing some of you guys do where you treat the government and corporations like supernatural deities
>>723236381It's not retard proof, it just knows its specific audience of retards: the kind of people who get ricing and optimization scripts from Reddit and break their distro in a week.For those people it's great, but if that's not you, then just Arch or Debian will fit your needs better and function correctly.
Loooong time Linux user both professionally and for personal shit, I've actually gone the other way. I work a job in tech where I use Linux daily for work, and outside of work.It requires too many compromises for what I do on a daily basis when not working, that being writing mods for video games, digital music production, etc. On top of that, I literally cannot bring myself to tinker with Linux anymore in my free time.That plus the AUR going down constantly, the malware attacks, and the fact that for the first time in 3 years of -Syu arch finally shit itself on me on my desktop 2 weeks ago.Don't get me wrong, Linux is still better for like 90% of use cases, even gaming in many cases (especially retro gaming) but man does it require immense compromise if you don't fall into that 90%.>>723237217The leaders of the american government cannot even text war plans to each other privately because of their own incompetence, anybody falling for this doomposting shit is an idiot. They want you to think like this.
>>723237580First you are over exaggerating, second off people like me live in reality where is your life is such shit you have to live in multiple delusions just to make it to death. I understand life is complicated and such but fuck it mind rapes people like you.
>>723236886>>723236925>Install BG3 on W10>Runs effortlessly 120+ FPS even in the busiest end game areas>Install BG3 on Mint>Struggles to even hold 45+ fps in the starting areaLol. Now, I could have spent X amount of hours figuring out god knows what the fuck is wrong, but instead I booted back to Windows and kept gaming. GG, cya in 2 years again to see if you have it figured out.
>>723236925>Just buy the games from Steam broI don't primarily buy anything and I do buy I buy it from a nonpozzed company like Gog.
>>723223565>Mod loaders not working on linux will be keeping alot of the more casual users from switchingThe thing that will keep users from switching is that for 99% of people windows just werks, so the best outcome they could hope for with linux is putting in a lot of effort only to end up in the exact same place.
>>723237217They have way less data about me using Linux. It's not even that I care desu but Windows is a like an open window.
>>723221985This
>>723237792lmao retard. You're the one that believes in dumb shit to make complex topics simple. Actual smoothbrain behaviour.
>>723222363check massgrave there's a module to get updates for 3 more years in w10 pro
>>723238032Had no issues at all with BG3. Even played it in MP with mods on Linux.>>723238081It works for the same way. Why do people pretend Proton only works with Steam games? Most older games work fine as well.
That's the thing about Gentoo and the Genkernel system, being able to install whatever you want in the kernel-level instructions is amazing considering that most OSes don't even allow that level of configuration, but whenever I tried to not include some items like the intel kernel items or nvidia it would not cooperate with my initial installation even with my AMD setup. Was I missing something important in the genkernel selection? Are genkernel's default settings bad? I admit it went over my head at times when I was reading the more specific stuff when I tried to install it with genkernel. After those few failures I went with Gentoo's standard bin install it worked fine out of the box, I used X11 for several years so far, switching between DWM, a little bit of LXQT, and right now KDE Plasma and I haven't had major issues so far. I had some graphic issues with some games on DWM but things got better with KDE.I would imagine the old days of ricing were important with older machines if you wanted to run Gentoo so it's emerge process didn't take so damn long and have overall good performance, but the modern CPUs have made such strides in performance that doing a full installation is almost as fast as doing a riced installation, so needing to rice the kernel is almost irrelevant nowadays unless you wanted to screw around and see how far you can rice the CPU.On another note, its funny how wayland has made decent strides, but it's still GNOME, so I wonder if another shitshow is going to occur in the near future. I remember the PCSX2 devs disabling wayland support a couple years ago and then they enabled it on February. Maybe XOrg will get up to speed on developing again if they're up for competition, that or X11Libre picks up the pace.
>>723237764>Don't get me wrong, Linux is still better for like 90% of use cases, even gaming in many cases (especially retro gaming) but man does it require immense compromise if you don't fall into that 90%.Agreed.
Don't try to convince the neanderthals around here that there's better tools. It's not their fault, a small yapping dog isn't being mean by barking they're just stupid. Look down on them in pity and move on unlike the poser who regularly makes these threads.
this was my experience as a linux noob. If you have an NVIDIA gpu DO NOT use any kde/plasma distro like bazzite because they use wayland and don't support X11 anymore so your nvidia control panel is literally empty and there's nothing you can do about it. use linux mint instead. also every game I tried worked perfectly fine you only have to add any .exe to steam as a non steam game to use proton
>>723238768fortnite runs?
>>723221985>Microsoft personally sends an army of gay niggers with AIDS to rape you and your entire family>D-DONT CARE! FUCK OFF TROONIX USER
>>723228707>>723232820>>723233271>reddit spacing intensifies
>>723238768I'm using a 4070S on KDE wayland right now without issue. Were you using the open source driver? Nvidia now has their regular closed source one available for linux. Some distros ship it out of the box as well for nvidia users.
>>723221985Troonix works fine for gaming and daily use. You'll only run into issues if you need some proprietary software that works on Windows.It's fucking over man.
Not reading this whole thread. Just came to say works on my machine.>But I tried Linux and it took me an hour to find the web browser!Skill issue. Buy an iPad.
>>723238032did you install your gpu drivers?there's plenty of videos on youtube running bg3 on loonix just after release
>>723239003>Nvidia now has their regular closed source one available for linuxinteresting i'll check it out thanks. yeah I used the default open source driver from bazzite's website and I swear man my control panel was empty. I didn't even have digital vibrance to fix my screen colors like on Mint
>>723221771>effortlessly
>>723238768You can still install an x11 session on kde plasma and use it. That's what I do. It's just not available by default anymore, and yeah that probably means they'll drop support for real eventually but we're still ok for now.
>>723239320That could be it. I also haven't used bazzite since its immutable and I really don't like that, may have been something there as well.But yeah, at least for me, wayland has been butter smooth on 40xx cards and a lot of reports of similar experiences around. Could genuinely just have been a driver problem. I remember the pains though of just a few years ago nvidia cards being near inoperable on Linux.
>>723239448>but we're still ok for now.a couple of years, maybe. GNOME is removing x11 next year. good riddance.
>>723228707i thought you used linux cris
>>723239602Yeah, in a couple years I might have to switch to a different desktop environment.
>>723232583Find one female that still plays vanilla sims
I'm surprised to see that Wayland still hasn't beaten out x11 in any benchmarks, regardless of hardware. Performance is near identical, difference being that when it isn't, x11 outperforms it hard somehow. Essentially there are many cases in benchmarks where wayland absolutely shits itself, and x11 keeps trucking on performing as it should.Wayland has somehow had a near decade of active development, and it still doesn't really compare.
>>723239748well everyone is moving to wayland only anon, it's just a matter of time before applications stop working in x11 sessions, gtk5 for example won't support x11.
>>723221985mhm, works on my machine. must be a skill issue on your end
>>723239842Waylands development is rife with intense drama, and is a large reason as to why it still hasn't outperformed x11.Adding fuel to the fire and many people here most likely don't know this, but x11 has been forked and is going to have continued development from now on lmao. This has caused even more drama with the core set of Wayland devs.
>>723240021>why it still hasn't outperformed x11.But it has. Automotive industry for example uses it already.
Troonix lol
>>723234565Ah, yeah. That makes more sense.
>>723240021What is the wayland drama? I'm using it now because it has adaptive sync which fixed like all my issues I was seeing with my loonix.
>>723240021>Waylands development is rife with intense dramayou try bringing together every distribution and making them agree on something>This has caused even more drama with the core set of Wayland lol no.
>>723239842I really dont care if x11 or wayland ends up being the way to goI just use wayland at the moment so my games dont get gimped to 60hz when I have a cheap second monitor plugged in fuck you x11. Why do you fuck up refresh rates so bad.
Any linux anons had issues with old 32bit games running on wine 10+?It is meant to autodetect and just use the one prefix now, but Ive had issues and it just fucks up. Gog version of HoMM3 is one example.
>>723240302there hasn't been much wayland drama since they've made it easier to get a protocol through by adding a bunch of people that can ACK. >>723240439if you're using proton you need to set PROTON_USE_WOW64
wayland is the future of humanity
I just hope that the future of humanity does not suck when I'll be forced to switch to it once Ubuntu 26.04 is releasedPlaying steam games with < 10 fps and having glitchy mpv is not fun
>>723241024>Playing steam games with < 10 fpsi play them at 100fps but you do you
>>723241024nobody's forcing you to upgrade immediately, you can always stick to ubuntu 24 for the next 10 years or until you buy an amd gpu.
>>723239964Maybe they should fix what's broken in Wayland instead of just saying there's no use case for things people use.
>>723240151Gaming benchmarks say otherwise. They are always within a few frames of each other, but wayland never drastically outperforms x11 like x11 outperforms wayland in certain instances.>>723240302Just dev infighting, valve threatening them, troon-tier threats of suicide/anger at the dev forking and continuing work on x11.>>723240313>lol no.It factually has. Were you not around a month or two ago for the absolute melties?
>>723237217There are degrees of hell. Just because you'll experience pain in your life doesn't mean you should forgo taking Tylenol. Just because anyone can kick your door down doesn't mean I don't lock it at night. Less data out is less data out.
>>723241324>instead of just saying there's no use case for things people use.that's the mentality of people who rewrite everything in rustgnome devs as wellI really hate that
>>723241324they've added a bunch of protocols these past couple of years which will satisfy most people, you just need to wait for application and compositors downstream to implement them. at some point you need to start cutting or nothing gets done. nvidia for example has happily dragged their feet these last 10 years with wayland support and they'll keep doing it as long as everyone keeps playing ball with x11. steam is doing the same shit with their 32 bit libraries forcing everyone to compile their shit for them.
>>723241263yes but it is not super fun to sit on outdated OS even if it keeps receiving security patchesPlus LTS releases are already out of dateI also kinda need Gnome updates because the current one that is shipped with 24.04 has some really annoying issues
>>723241496I remember last year when that valve dev basically attacked them for constantly stalling on new protocol releases, called them incompetent and told them to get some functioning governance together.This is my major issue with foss shit, absolute retards and literal troons are at the helm of every major project.
>>723241885>called them incompetent and told them to get some functioning governance together.sounds based
I know this thread is mostly bait and bait takers but if you really want to switch to linux I highly recommend that you dualboot for the first few months. The best way to do it is to have a separate drive as windows will happily plow through your Linux boot sector when it updates. You won't lose access to your files on Windows as Linux will readily read the ntfs filesystem. I myself have only a single linux drive (ex4) while everything else is ntfs still. This way if there is something you want to do and aren't sure how or just don't feel like messing around with it you can boot back into windows. For my specifically I kept linux on it's own small nvme drive that way if something nuked I could reinstall and not lose anything and it's worked wonderfully. I never boot into windows anymore for anything and I'm Linux 100% of the time now.It's not about that linux can't do anything, it's that after using Windows for your whole life learning how to do things in linux is a pain in the ass. Give it a shot anons.
>>723241961It was unfortunately met with the wayland team turning their noses up at him, because they don't like white men telling them what to do, and they've numerous times since stalled wayland updates, not because of technical issues, but because of governance/disagreements.
>>723228387Do you really want linux to have higher marketshare?What for? So that corpos jump on it and shit it up?
I installed Linux (endeavourOS) the other day and my steam games so far just werk. How do I run pirated stuff using the same compatibility layers though?
>>723242212Add the exe to steam as a non-steam game to use protonOr use lutris/bottles
>>723236153explains everything
>>723242178>What for? So that corpos jump on it and shit it up?they already have anon. desktop and consoles are the only devices where linux doesn't have an overwhelming majority.
>>723242212you gotta install them with wine(or bottles if you want a modern gui) for portable games you should be able to just add them to steam and run them with protondont quote me on that tho i just switched to linux myself
>>723236709>what is apparmor + firejailsteam cant access anything. while windows fuck you in the ass and sends all your data to the cloudTM
>>723242212You could add it to steam and run it through proton. That or bottles or lutris. I like bottles but the devs are fags and it's heavy, that is if you care for such things. Requires a slight tinker to break the flatpak out of it's sandbox but it's well documented and easy to do.
>>723242273>>723242318>>723242372I see, thanks. Adding it to steam sounds straightforward. I did try bottles, it first complained about dotnet missing and after I checked it as a dependency somewhere it just crashed on me without a good explanation, forgot the exact error message though.
Does Linux have some shadowplay alternative?
>>723241885Yeah that was Joshua... Guess what, he transitioned.
>>723242513https://git.dec05eba.com/gpu-screen-recorder/about/ with similar gui
>>723242501bottles has a thingy to run games with the terminal it will throw errors for stuff that's missing so you can download it
>>723242520What a surprise, anyone that touches linux development does inevitably.
I don't want to spend time learning a new OS. I'm happy with Win 10 LTSC.All my important applications work, my games work and I never have to tinker with it.
>>723242513Steam has built in game recording if that helpsOtherwise OBS or >>723242601
>>723221771Such as?
>>723242501>dotnet missingOpen Bottles, open the "Bottle", then click on "Install Dependencies". There should be a massive list of windows runtimes. Find the version of dotnet most applicable and install it.Also this:>>723242620Using the terminal to run things in Linux is great for troubleshooting because it gives you a lot of information on what exactly is going wrong.
>>723242808cunny hunter 66, tux racing and uh minesweeper clone
>>723242701>never have to tinker with it.
bros please i gotta keep asking, do any of you know how to get a custom resolution in cachyos, i'd like to set a 1440p and 4k resolution to my 1080p monitor dont ask why
>>723242808>>723242870samefagging doesn't get you extra shekels
>>723242850I did install the dependency like I mentioned in my post. It then tried to launch and just crashed with a vague error. Sadly I already deleted the game in question because I finished it on Windows afterwards so I can't test it anymore. Since I want to start weaning myself off Windows though, next time I run into something like that I'll give it a more proper look and try using the terminal. I mostly just wanted to generally poll people to see what they use to run non-steam games.
>>723243086>set a 1440p and 4k resolution to my 1080p monitor
>>723243194Yeah, sorry I misunderstood and thought you didn't install the dependency. It was probably the wrong version of dotnet if I have to guess.Next time check protondb + run through the terminal. Shouldn't be too hard to fix then.
>>723243165Not a samefag, I was asking sincerely.So what games do you play on your Linux system?
>>723243086use your display manager like plasma.if you had amd you could use gamescope and its super ez. if you have nvidia you may as well should kill yourself for buying slop on windows & linux.
>>723243363Assassin's Creed Origins, Expedition 33 and Dustborn.
>>723243196yes lad i need them to show up as display options >>723243437kek i switched to nvidia in the first place because it was easier to pull off on windows with nvidia control panel fucking hell
>>723243363WuWa, Beat Saber and Khazan currently
>>723243741xrandr --newmodehttps://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xrandr
>>723241621I have scripts that use xdotool so they're probably fucked unless I switch to KDE and find that kdotool is actually a good replacement.
>>723243363CS2, TF2, Grounded, BG3
>>723243086Linux fags always chimp out when you want to do something non-trivial and tell you you're wrong for wanting to do it.Absolute clown show of an OS and community.
>>723221771Yeah, about that effortlessly playing. Tuxtroons can't even run bongocat.
>>723243592>>723243886>>723244031Those don't count.
>>723243963yea i tried xrandr but maybe i didn't add it properly(pretty sure i did) ill try again thanks
>>723244357xrandr won't work if you're using wayland
>>723244293I knew it wasn't genuineHeres your (You) cunt
>>723221771HOLY SHIT, fucking BASED!!!!
>>723223407Damn...
I love manually updating my Linux install every Saturday and not being forced to update by Microshit.I love privacy.I love free software.
I love my Linux gaming machine
>>723244446fuark, i'll switch to x11 for now thanks
>>723244836Did they finally move proton 10 out of beta?
>>723245320alias poupd="sudo pacman -Suy && poweroff"It's a nice sendoff every time I shut down the PC.
>>723245490https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/releasesthey did not
>>723245731Ivyl please
>>723245485If you're swapping to x11 just to have video modes unsupported by your monitor listed in a drop down menu hidden in display settings then this is a level of autism I never thought was possible and I respect it
>>723231042It's what I went with, looks clean and works well. All I really care about.
>>723242701>Win 10 LTSC.>never have to tinker with it.Install Oblivion Remastered right now.>Inb4 that game sucks so doesn't count.
>>723245642I don't update every day because I'm scared something breaks. That's why I only update on Saturdays, so that I have time to fix stuff if it's broken.Having said that, I've been on Arch for years across multiple desktops/laptops and the only time I had issues was when I had a NVIDIA card. The "Arch breaking all the time" meme is such bullshit. Arch is actually incredibly stable.
>>723246414Step 4. Is now just archinstallArch memes are all pretty outdated now. Easy to install+use and stability is fine
>>723221771Gaming on Linux is a meme, but I'll work off of it. I'm not going to learn an entire os to play with toys.
>>723245320
>>723221771to think that just a few short years ago I was a just another microsaar winiggerfeels good to be free
>>723243086You could set display scaling in KDE Display settings to 50%. That would make it act like a 4K display.
>>723232820>I feel like a genuinely intelligent person would probably just use windows the second they had to troubleshoot cus their time is valuable to themIt's the opposite. With Linux, when shit doesn't work you have options to change tons of parameters on the fly, different rendering pipelines, different wine versions, gamescope, gamemode, lutris, bottles, hell even logging is easier. Plus you have a huge community dedicated to tinkering with this shit you can find answers from online.With windows its like "yeah this shits busted good luck"
>>723221985You know it's bad when the best use of Linux is being on a remote forgotten server with no GUI and that only does one automated thing.
>>723221771I'm literally gaming on Linux...
>>723231257>I like my stuff to work. Having a large company backing it ensures it continues to do so
>>723243086With Gamescope or Xephyr
>>723233279Arch comes with Archinstall these days, and you can also just get EndeavourOS to streamline the process even further (crucially without the bloat you'd get from bullshit distros like Manjaro).
>>723238768nigger just switch KDE/Plasma back to X11. the troons in charge of KDE *have* made it the default, wayland libraries are a mandatory requirement for using KDE, and there's no guarantee they won't remove X11 in the future, but right now you just install plasma-x11-session and you're back on X11. the moment they do I'm using anything else because wayland is a universal fucking abortion, is designed to be an abortion, and anyone who willingly uses it is a lobotomite jiggababoon.
>>723236909>the us gov spies on me>that means I should allow tencent to install a rootkit on my computer!Do wincucks really?
>>723248464>WinCuxkek
Nvidia is more focused on fixing DX12 performance apparently than all the fucking wayland issues.So if I want to switch to Linux right now my options are to either buy an AMD GPU, or stick to X11 and have a weird fucking setup going. Not that I am not considering it anyways, in hopes that in the future I will switch to wayland and BAM, all the bugs are gone, maybe by 2075, but it is annoying to have to switch sessions -just- so I can actually take advantage of what my display is capable of. Partially.
>>723228302same, everything just works
>>723248791I've been using kwin wayland for 3 years on nvidia GPU. The only issue I've experienced is maybe once per week the compositor fails to come back up on the login screen after waking from sleep, which is fixed by ssh'ing in and restarting kwin.
>>723248329This is what pisses me off the most.With GNOME I fully expect the devs to be faggots about everything they decide is the future for the project, I know what to expect. I know they love cock and AIDS. I know that a new GNOME update won't make me happy. It's predictably awful.But Plasma?I was really happy with 5.20 something, it was slowly getting to a point where I couldn't accuse them of having a crashy thing (though they did some fuckery with window borders they replaced without asking I really disliked) and then with 6 they decide to fuck it all. The end product doesn't look that different or better. But my setting to increase font scaling is gone. Now I have fractional scaling. Everyone says it's so perfect and on my display it does awful fucking things to the fonts that cannot be shown with screenshots because for some reason they don't show up. And Plasma used to be shite on Wayland, now it's all they're focusing on, but Plasma on Wayland is absolutely horrible on nvidia.
>>723228707mfw i keep getting baited by the technology board to use a better operating system, what the fuck do they know? they're just the board about operating systems
>>723246409>Oblivion RemasteredQuick rundown?
>>723231257Holy digital cuckoldry
>>723231257What works in chrome or chromium based browsers that doesn't work in firefox?
>>723249286I have random trails and blocks appearing and disappearing from time to time after closing/minimizing windows, I have firefox font scaling being beyond fucked up unless I switch to xwayland firefox, I have VRR turn my screen off whenever it goes from active to inactive, I had at least twice gone through having to restart the PC after sleep because the screen wouldn't turn on. I can't even use gamescope without it crashing (I thought they were done with this, but unfortunately it's still a problem). With these problems I'm not willing to go back yet.
>>723231257>troon troon troonImagine having those abominations living in your head 24/7, I would kill myself
>>723248791some anon said that nvidia has their own closed source drivers for linux in their website if you really care about X11 that much
>>723249316yeah, it sucks, but they've been slowly accumulating eight fucking year old bugs regardless. enshittification is seemingly universal.for fonts specifically it sounds like you have some kind of nonstandard subpixel layout (or worse). KDE doesn't expose settings for that because they're faggots even though fontconfig is a Xorg default. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration?useskin=vector#Subpixel_layout fuck around with it, or use http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/subpixel.php to find out what's the problem
>>723249774Have you tried swapping between the open/closed driver? Idk man something is fucked up on your machine, it works great for me without any of those issues. Maybe you're missing some compatibility layer?
>>723249973>>723250092This is with both open and proprietary, which are actually quite easy to switch on certain distros (like CachyOS). Same shit even. Actually I don't think at this point there's enough differences between them.
>>723248791or just stop trying to use wayland nigga lmao like what would you ever gain from using that actual goyslop?
>>723222319>youtuber says he installed steamos>shows bazzite
>>723250180Out of curiosity what gpu do you have? And have you tried a different monitor/cable combo?
>>723229470Brave is actually the only decent browser now when tuned.
>>723250475There's one thing, and that's the only thing worth using that piece of shit: HDRNot even multimonitor because I grew out of multimonitor setups years ago
>>723250475>or just stop trying to use wayland nigga lmao like what would you ever gain from using that actual goyslop?HDR
>>723248791Would a 5070 ti actually have issues with a gaming linux OS?
>>7232505354070I tried with an older 144hz monitor I have laying around, DP instead of HDMI, same shit. Same resolution though (1440p).
Just nuked Fedora KDE an hour after install because having 3 input languages is apparently too advanced for the retard monolingual devs.Works on Gnome, but you can't change the CJK priorities without changing your entire system language to Japanese, or summoning some demons.
>>723250540>BraveYeah if you forget how they used to hijack your browser to insert their affiliate links.
Whenever I see Linux cultists all I can think of is>Misery loves company
>>723250842lmaooooo this weeb be setting all his electronics to japanese thinkin he asian or sum shit
>>723250998Yep, I'm from the continent of Asia. You got that right.
>>723250634NTA but I have that same GPU. my only issues were that on linux you have way less settings in the control panel than on windows 10 if you use X11 and no settings at all if you use fucking wayland. It was kind of a pain in the ass for me because I use dlsdr + dlss settings to game in 1620p in my 1080p monitor because it looks and runs better than playing in native but I guess it should be fine if you have a 2k or 4k monitor with no weird voodoo crap like me
>>723250056actually I'm fucking wrong; KDE 6 DOES expose the subpixel setting; but it overrides your previous fontconfig EVEN IF YOU DO NOT APPLY SETTINGS the moment you open it up in the settings panel.https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration/Examples/No_anti-aliasing?useskin=vector this config in particular is a godsend
What's the equivalent to this?
>>723251857lact
>>723251857Editing a .conf file
It's Linux gaming time, baby>>723251857Corectrl/Lact/writing values to gpu device directly
>>723251796No no, that's a separate issue.One thing I noticed by taking screenshots and zooming in very close between different distros is that these fontconfig settings are fairly different. I made a comparison between Fedora and CachyOS and by default, while on both applications like Dolphin are using subpixel rendering, for some wild reason, on Cachy the settings panel for Plasma is using greyscale. It's inconsistent. I'm willing to ignore that problem myself, the problem is Firefox (wayland program) sees 125% fractional scaling (or the previous, or the next scaling setting to that) and either:1. Completely distorts fonts without wayland fractional scaling enabled set in about:config2. With it enabled, it decides whether fonts should be blurry or sharp depending on how big the window is (and it so happens that if the window is maximized, that particular size makes the fonts blurry). What's wild about this is that on Hyprland I always get sharp fonts that go blurry only while resizing.So my previous fix was to instead just change the scaling on fonts rather than use fractional scaling. This actually had firefox on wayland look fine without any distorted fonts. That's how I did it on GNOME and it worked. Bonus for smaller decorations because Adwaita makes everything waste too much space. But nooo, let's remove that option, said Plasma 6 developers.
>>723252230>>723252563That's for AMD
>>723252645I don't use nvidia/intel.
>>723252645lact works for nvidia as well since a few months
>>723252735Does it expose a curve editor?
>>723250842Just use fcitx. I swap between languages with Super+Space.
>>723221771Had a hell of a time getting stalker goldsphere to run, but it's been a while since I've had to jump through nearly as many hoops.
>>723251857GreenWithEnvy
>>723225464>gimp is gonna be plenty enough to create whatever meme you want to post here.It's such shit compared to PS and it goes out of its way to call common photoshop functions different unintuitive names. Rather than just being the FOSSshop version it was meant to be, the devs have some sad cope that they need to differentiate themselves from photoshop because some company may actively choose to integrate GIMP into their workflow (they won't).
>>723252913I did. but once I added a third language it started bugging out. Every couple language changes it would just stop working, until I spammed some changes and it would start working. Windows does it so much better.
>>723252606>wayland programthere's the issuethe first step in fixing any rendering or graphical issue on linux is to stop using waylandwant to keep using it? that's okay, but then it's purely your problem and only you can fix it. that's by design. unlike X11, Wayland exports all display responsibility onto the program itself without any standardization. you, yourself, have to fork firefox or plasma, fix it in code, and make a pull request that you hope to god gets merged. that's the only way you're solving this issue, because it's a wayland as implemented by firefox through Plasma issue, because every single fucking program in wayland has to do its own rendering its own way.
>>723222363depends on how much you actually do on the pc
>>723237217>you are powerless, you should just lay down and give up!If that was the case you would have already killed yourself, unless you love living as a puppet with no real autonomy.
>>723253657>because every single fucking program in wayland has to do its own rendering its own way.Can you name a single still relevant program that doesn't perform rendering by itself?
OH NOES!! MY WINDOWS 10 LAPTOP SPROUTED LEGS AND WALKED OUT OF MY HOUSE! IT MUST HAVE BEEN A VIRUS! I KNEW I SHOULDVE SWITCHED TO LINUX! I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED!!!!
>>723249696NTA but I had to stop using Firefox after I noticed some of the school/work sites I visited were incompatible or didn't work and it took longer to load certain sites like YouTube. Their mobile app also sucks ass for whatever reason.
>>723235415>gets salesforced in your path
>>723254803Firefox is like the only mobile browser that allows adblockers.
>>723221771Based
>>723253872every single program that runs on a common API for Windows, MacOS, and Linux X11? like, I can name thousands. NT Window Display, Explorer, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Chrome, WinZIP, every single window; doesn't fucking matter, they all use a common set of abstractions that fit within the "window" framework on Windows. same goes for every application in X11. Wayland goes "lmao no fuck that" and forces every program to do its own window shadow, own title bar, own scaling, own window handling, own display, without a a common library. desktop enviroments like KDE or GNOME can override that, but only up to a point, and there's nothing dictating consistency between them.
>>723253603Were you using it on wayland rather than x11?
>>723244115What are you talking about? custom resolutions and refresh rates have been used on linux with x11 for decades, because thats the norm for crt monitors. You just use xrandr to add a new mode. It works on amd, intel and nvidia.>>723243086Use xrandr with x11.
>>723255105>I can name thousands. NT Window Display, Explorer, Internet Explorer, WinZIPobosolete barely maintained trash>every single window, Chrome, FirefoxThey're using direct rendering>same goes for every application in X11.There's not a single modern application that still uses X11 drawing primitives. Every X11 window does direct rendering just like any Wayland application.>and forces every program to do its own window shadow, own title bar, That's window decorations, they have nothing to do with direct rendering. And wayland doesn't client side decorations: there's a protocol for server side decorations and most compositors aside from gnome implement it.>own scalingOnly X11 applications are scale themselves. Windows, macOS and Wayland have server side scaling.>without a a common libraryThere was never single GUI toolkit on Linux, Wayland or X11. X11 had drawing primitives that are not relevant for a decade and no modern graphical toolikt is using them.You sound like M$ shilling pajeet who barely knows anything about Linux, just the information that's avaliable on Wikipedia/ChatGPT
>>723250634Kinda. NVidia won't open source their drivers and keep dragging their feet with their Linux drivers. It's better than it was, but still not nearly as good as Intel and AMD.
>>723255616>there's a protocol for server side decorations and most compositors aside from gnome implement it.Gnome is the most popular or second most popular wayland compositor. As such if you create "wayland software" you are required to implement client-side decorations or gnome users cant use your application properly. If you have implemented client-side decorations you might as well enable it on every wayland compositor and then you dont have to bother with yet another protocol that wont be used everywhere. So in practice it's meaningless that a protocol exists if gnome/kde doesn't implement it. It might as well not exist, unless you create kde/gnome specific software rather than wayland software.
>>723225570It's actually quite good now and you're missing out.
>>723236709>I should use proton which requires to be signed up for the steamnigger what?
>>723256048functionally it doesn't matter because whatever ui library you use will do the decorations for you and you can always import libdecor.
>>723256048>As such if you create "wayland software" you are required to implement client-side decorations or gnome users cant use your application properly.That's only relevant for "pure" Wayland applications developers. Everyone else are using toolkits and most toolkits already implement clientside decorations, even SDL. If applications developer don't want to draw his own decorations there's always libdecor.>f you have implemented client-side decorations you might as well enable it on every wayland compositor and then you dont have to bother with yet another protocol that wont be used everywhere.Nobody is doing that. Every application that did decorations out of spite because of GNOME always checks for decoration support from compositor.>So in practice it's meaningless that a protocol exists if gnome/kde doesn't implement it. KDE implements decorations protocol, retard. Ask your shitGPT more before writing this nonsense.
