>Mary's body is in the back seat of James car>she is covered in a blanket with a floral pattern>the flowers are forget-me-nots
>>723233841Where is this picture from? I played SH2 to 100% and didn't see this.
>>723234349You can only see it clearly if you noclip through the car.It's just a small thing for eagle-eyed players, because you can see SOMETHING at the backseat of the car, you just can't make it out.
I always preferred thinking that James killed Mary years back when he actually thought she died and not right before the beginning of the game.Although I guess then Laura's entire role wouldn't make sense.
>>723233841>>723234505It's one of the changes requested by ex-Team Silent members. The other was the pills that Mary took - if you zoom in on the name, it's White Claudia. So there's the possibility it wasn't the disease that deteriorated Mary and made her unhinged, but the side-effect of the narcotics she became addicted to.>>723234641There are two cut New Game+ endings in addition to the ones in the game. In one of them it turns out that Maria is James's actual wife while Mary is the "born from a wish" scenario of a perfect, tragically killed, lover that he chases after.
>>723234641Everything Laura says basically confirms that James kills Mary not long before the game starts. James only thinks Mary died years ago because that's when she started getting sick.
>>723234732>There are two cut New Game+ endings in addition to the ones in the game. In one of them it turns out that Maria is James's actual wife while Mary is the "born from a wish" scenario of a perfect, tragically killed, lover that he chases after.Huh. What's the other one?
Why is this game so beautiful when it should be disgusting and horrifying?
>>723234846The alien ending I believe.
>>723234916That's easily explained. Even in the original, they make the characters (except for Eddie) attractive so that you'd care about them but doing that also makes the game less scary. It's like a double edged sword. It happens even in TV and Film. Midsommar comes to mind. It's meant to be scary but it's not at all.
>>723235091No.>>723234846I don't recall exactly, but it involved Angela actually surviving and leaving the town with James. It revolved around both accepting the dark, murderous side of one another.
>>723235093How coombrained do you need to be to think the beauty of SH2 comes from attractive characters? The beauty comes from the incredibly dark and human subject matter.
>>723235280>The beauty comes from the incredibly dark and human subject matter.You think someone killing their wife is beautiful? You have bigger problems than I do. Reply after I've filtered this thread. I need to go filter these threads they made because I filtered everything. Enjoy each other's company.
>>723234916It's not really going for disgusting and horrifying. It's melancholy and emotional. It deliberately pulls its punches in terms of horror compared to 1 and 3. If anything the remake goes a bit too hard on making it scarier.
The Stillness ending is so good I could easily believe it was in the original Silent Hill 2. I also adore the fact it confirms Mary is really in the backseat, waiting for him the whole time. https://youtu.be/62Z3Dn4EroU
>>723233841>op has never driven cross state as a 20s something man beforethe blanket is for sleeping
Now that the dust has settled can we finally admit SH2 Remake was a very faithful remake and clearly made by people who loved and understood the original?
>>723235481i cried
>>723235481>it's right behind me, isn't it?
Luke Roberts was phenomenal as James. So much subtlety to that performance, the scene at the club where he looks longingly at the drink says so much without even saying anything. I know that look, he is a recovering alcoholic
>the truth is.. I hated you. I wanted you out of the way. I wanted my life back.>if that's true, why do you look so sad?...
So was the town just normal for Laura, despite her being called there? She's a child so her soul is innocent.
Apparently dudes killing someone they love just to get some pussy is apparently not uncommon kinda makes you think
>>723236651It's like the Jungian vantablack dark side of humanity we are all capable of the most illogical taboo extreme shit
>>723236435Silent Hill 2 is the greatest love story in vidya, unironically
>>723236651>>723236848I think my favourite part is how SH2 is not about how he did itIt's about the afterLike they keep the audience in the dark just for le mystery but the entire game really is James going through a kind of karmic Jigoku like the whole thing is some hellish post nut clarity
>>723237518I still can't decide if the town was trying to heal him of his trauma or torture him for his horrendous actions.
>>723237636The town doesn't have a will of its own, it just projects whatever's in your head via its unshackled dark energy that dates back centuries to the natives of the land, long before the Cult. It's why Angela really has nothing to be ashamed of given she killed her piece of shit sexually abusive father and brother yet her own personal guilt still leads her to kill herself.
>>723237636You really can make an argument for both. I believe in Buddhist hell karmic debt is relieved through suffering in the afterlife and then you're reborn In Christian hell you're sentenced to eternal punishment for your sinsI think Team Silent operated somewhere in the middle of the two
>>723237737I mean killing is still a sin even though it's arguably justified in Angela's caseNot to bring up Crime and Punishment because you don't need to read that book to understand it's about how guilt warps people negatively but the game is inspired by it and in Angela's case, even though her killing of her father is arguably justified, it is still a source of guilt among other things
combat hill 2 demake is a good game simply because it still gets threads posted on vrespect
>>723235746Yeah, sure.
>all this yapping in a thread about a blanketnever change /v/
>>723236945MGS3 is pretty close too
>>723237636One theory I kind of like was that James wasn't "invited" by the town. He was just going there to kill himself by his own free will. But, once he entered the town, the letter from Mary manifested, he forgot he killed her, and thought he came to Silent Hill because Mary asked him to.
>>723239524>the beginning is just as open for interpretation as the ending
>>723234349It's from the shit demake. OP is a gay nigger who didn't play Silent Hill 2.
>>723233841forget-me-notmore likeI CARE NOThaha get fucked
>>723239524That's why people think he's stuck in a loop that is only broken with the leave ending
>>723234732>In one of them it turns out that Maria is James's actual wife while Mary is the "born from a wish" scenario of a perfect, tragically killed, lover that he chases after.that's dumber than the doggo ending
>>723235746no fuck youkys cuntchoke on this u
>>723234732>>723241158Sounds beautiful to me and turns everything on its head which is neat
you know a game is good when it makes /v/ seethe
>>723243759What about when a game gets constant praise?
>>723235481>Will you wait for me?>James, I’ve always been waiting for you.
>>723235481How do we feel about the theory that James didn’t kill himself in the Stillness ending?
>>723233841How much trouble is James in once he gets back to reality? He’s got his dead wife’s body in his car, along with a missing minor for whom he is not the legal guardian.
>>723234641Still doesn’t explain how Laura somehow managed to beat him there. How did she get there anyway?
>>723245797He looks at the letter again and it seems almost like his brain resets. I think he sends the car into the lake so he can stop the loop.
>>723246147Personally, I feel the remake needed some time jannies
>>723246192I just know everyone points out that the blank screen goes on longer, and we can hear what sounds like a car door opening before James sends the car
>>723235438It’s why I’m looking forward to seeing how they handle the more overtly horrific atmosphere of 2 and 3. Like that weird pulsating meat hall in the hospital in 3 that I guess is supposed to be like a birth canal or something, considering the themes of that game. Or the nightmare school in SH1.
So in the leave ending is that actually Mary's spirit that the town summoned so that James can be at peace by having one last conversation with her? It's odd you just appear back in their bedroom at home, right where he killed her.
>>723246190According to the wiki, Laura ran away from the hospital to try and find Mary in Silent Hill, and on the way she ran into Eddie and hitched a ride from him
>>723235746I’ve been playing SH since the launch of SH1, though I did sleep on the Tomm Hulett era, and I genuinely don’t get people’s boggle with the remake.
>>723246608Because they saw the synthetic man review
>>723239853NTA and I didn't like the demake, but if Mary isn't in the car in the original, how do you explain the Rebirth ending?
Cast him
>>723246190>>723246503There also a scene in the original when the game starts where Eddie is looking at a map on the road and laura kicks him
I wish the events of the game were all basically time loop purgatory after James killed Mary via pillow and then himself via driving into the lake with Mary in the back seat. But I'm pretty sure that's all confirmed to be not the case.
>>723240926Is that what’s being implied by the Polaroids and areas that trigger that little staticky musical cue? That he’s been there before?
>>723246825It’s confirmed to exactly be the case tho>>723246147
>>723246873It's just a bloober wink wink to the original being 2 decades ago
>at the very beginning in the bathroom you can see James has a very clear tan line around his finger where he had been wearing a wedding ring >clearly he only recently took it off because Mary has actually only been dead for a few days >you can actually hear the wedding ring fall down the drain in the sinkIt's the little things
>>723246869Yes. All the dead bodies have obscured faces but are James exact character model. Remember the room where you first get the handgun? It's full of bullet holes and spent casings? James always misfires the pistol after picking it up. On every single playthrough. There is countless stuff like this.
Imagine drinking
>>723246147Actually I came to /v/ in 2007>2007 was two decades agoHaha... yeah.
>>723246869The remake decides to cram in little clues about retarded theories from over the years.
>>723233841So?
>>723246873You're a retard
>>723247479>>723247615>>723247637Synthetic Man lost
>>723247702So?
>>723248032So?
>>723248220So?
>>723247702I unsubscribed to that fag recently. All of his livestreams are just bitching and complaining
>>723248324And?
But was James fucking Mary's corpse in the backseat of his car?
>>723248395He’s got a very specific grift where he shits on absolutely everything so that thyou broken clock philosophy kicks in, and you’re always going to get someone who didn’t like whatever game he’s shitting on at the moment coming in and saying “Finally, someone telling it like it is!”Meanwhile he was bitching about the last FOTM release too, and he’ll do the same next month with something else.
>>723248395I don't get it. Why play videogames if you hate every video game you play?
>>723248831
James says Mary died years ago because when she got sick her personality dramatically changed, she suffered extreme mood swings and became violently aggressive and suicidal. From James' perspective Mary died, and the person he was trying to take care of wasn't Mary.
Was she a villain?
>>723249436Only reluctantly. She eventually realized she was born of the town's power and exists only to haunt James, and that's a kind of hell for a conscious being.
>>723233841>fanon becomes canon in demake
>>723235481I prefer the original game, and In Water will always be my favorite ending. This is easily my second favorite ending now. I do not give a shit how canon it is or not. In a game with multiple endings already, I'm fine with additional what if scenarios being added. Bloober did a great job with Stillness. Probably the only good thing they have ever made.
Post "Eileen shaving" to say you're gay.
>>723248831The ironic thing is he eats up some fucking gachaslop DBZ game that he unironically has spent money on.
>>723249756Nigger
>>723249436She was a victim of the town and ironically James. She only exists because of him. Imagine how tortured her existence is. She literally only exists as some sick form of punishment for killing a woman who looks just like her. Maria... had a hard life.
>>723233841>demake
>>723250184>not the lead writer>not the director>washed out artist pandering to twitter groomers
>their silence is deafening
>James was a store clerk before crashing out.KWAB
I always assumed in the leave ending, James carries Mary's body to the Silent Hill cemetery and buries her
>surreal horror game>everything has to make perfect sense>there should be no ambiguities
>>723234732That white claudia change sounds kinda pointless, or maybe just makes the story worse
>>723249710That's not the impression I got. I watched this scene and came away thinking that Maria is hostile and is actively fucking with James.
>>723250374He was also a raging alcoholic
>>723250707Because she knows James murdered his wife, and he won't admit it. She's mad she even exists. What a sick thing the town did. Out of everything that happens in SH2, making Maria is the most cruel thing of all. Mary didn't deserve to suffer, and Maria is constantly forced to suffer.
>>723246608>I genuinely don’t get people’s boggle with the remake.
>>723235746Yeah, I was actually able to play through it fully, never managed to do it back when the original came out, only reached the hospital back then.
>>723235746It's clearly faithful and made by people who loved the original but it's still a much worse experience overall.
The final level at the hotel is so beautiful. Comfy as fuck even though it's ominous
>if you use freecam to clip into the ranch at the beginning of the same, you can find the comic sans sign from the fucking awful demastersSOVL
So, what's your favorite ending and why is it Leave?
>>723251583Because it’s the only one that makes sense. It’s the only one that gives closure.
>>723251226Die. Die a painful death.
>>723250330Nigger
>>723251583making the story of James one of redemption and atonement is fundamentally American and makes the most sense as the series takes place in America. otherwise everything in the game is just pointless misery porn so James can off himself anyway.
>>723251583Stillness because of Luke Robers phenomenal performance of a completely broken man
>>723251663I think leave, in water, or maria can work depending on how you interpret James' character honestly, which is one of the strength's of a story like this.
>>723235481I'm not cryin' or anything...
>>723251583The original feels like it’s pushing you towards In Water, Remake feels like it’s pushing you towards Leave
>>723235746they loved it sure which is more than i can say about Tomm Huelett and the chucklefucks who did the HD Collection but they didn't truly understand it, they were just lucky they were building their remake off the bones of the original. all you have to do is play one of their other games where they don't have Masahiro Ito babysitting them to see what i mean.
>>723251765Two people make Silent Hill TRULY what it is. Yamaoka and Ito
Why didn’t he read it, bros?
>>723235481Luke Roberts got snubbed man
>>723251912i feel like the opposite because James in the remake is much darker and obviously guilty/crazy, original James feels a lot lighter to me. it's a lot more subtle in the original when you start to realize James isn't all that different from Angela and Eddie, meanwhile the remake starts out and he's haggard with bags under his eyes and he's obviously crazy lol.
>Fuck.
>>723252119Original James is so on the surface creepy that I can totally buy he killed his wife. Remake James comes off as more sympathetic so it makes it even creepier when it gets revealed what he really is.
>>723235481>what's wrong honey..?
Lotta really gayly formatted posts in this thread, presumably from op, sucking off the remake with cheap praise.
>>723252496Bro, look at your hairline
The biggest problem with the remake is that they took a story that feels comfortable at about 5 hours long and you stretch it upwards of 15 hours without adding many additional cutscenes or story moments. There is literally like 6 hours between meeting Eddie in the theater and then seeing him again in the prison. Same with Angela but at least they gave her one new cutscene.
>>723234732The pills gotta be the stupidest thing ever, what the fuck?That's as if codeine pill bottles had "poppy plant" written on it instead of codeine, kek.More likely that she was prescribed PTV as it is a stand-in for opioids. The seeds are the hallucinogenic part of it, PTV is the refined version that acts like opioids.
>>723235481This is just as bad as Troy Baker's version of James, I don't understand the glaze
>>723251912Funny, I got Leave when I played the original, and In Water when I played the remake.
>>723252805
>>723237636The town isn't "trying" anything since it has no will of its own. It is merely a projector for the mind, turning mind into matter, but with of course a dark twist since it's a tainted power. Like the unborn god that dwelled in Alessa and later Heather, it thrives off of negativity. James was tortured by his mind and the guilt he felt over the crime of killing his wife. He desired punishment, and thus Pyramid Head was manifest. Pyramid Head who, by the way, is only trying to wake James from his delusions, which is why he's always killing Maria and smothering mannequins (to remind James that Mary is dead and he's deluded). It is only when he owns up to his crimes (literally killing the twin Pyramid Heads who symbolize the two humans he killed since he no longer needs a punisher and then killing the lingering delusion of Mary/Maria) that he finds resolution. Not because the town is specifically giving him an out or anything, but because his mind is clear. The delusion is gone. The town has nothing to pull from, and so without a conduit there is no Otherworld. James is freed by his own merit, not by any sort of decision of the town.Angela and Eddie serve to contrast this. Instead of pursuing repentance like James, they only bury themselves deeper in their issues, aided by the town's forces. They are both brought to death by their own delusions.>>723239524That's no theory, that's the canon. James went to Silent Hill to end his life in a place that was important to him and Mary, pursuing a watery grave in a special location alongside his wife who was also in the car. In Water confirms this. The details to how and when his delusions manifested are left open-ended, but the basic gist is at some point between the drive and the arrival his mind broke. Perhaps it was at the very start of the game when he looks in the mirror. The letter was just one of many mental manifestations enabled by the town.
>>723252886>Oh, you were conservative with your healing items? Guess you must wanna kill yourself, fuckboyAre the Japanese stupid?
>>723252642My first playthrough was 7 hours and every one after that under 3. This is with hard combat and I was even trying to take my time the first go.If it takes you anywhere near 15 hours it's because you're disabled
>>723252408to me remake James is a lot closer to some of the source material that inspired him like Lost Highway, Vertigo and Rebecca in that it's more obvious that his journey is about his obsession, but original James i always got more sincerity from him about his quest for Mary. that it's about her, and he's just too broken to see that underlying obsession is the real drive.this isn't an either/or thing, they're both very different and good performances, but to me remake James is more immediately offputting and crazy in a way original James is a little more empty at first that you could very easily pass off as him being the quieter protagonist ala Harry who is a bit flat at times. i'll never be able to compare the two because i played the original first but when i talk to people who played the remake first their opinion of James is usually more negative. ("media literacy" types who think James is objectively evil with no wiggle room because he committed a hecking violence against a woman lol)
>>723253001I genuinely don't think you could beat the remake in 3 hours without skipping every cutscene and glitching your way through levels.
>>723252985>That's no theory, that's the canon. James went to Silent Hill to end his life in a place that was important to him and Mary, pursuing a watery grave in a special location alongside his wife who was also in the car. In Water confirms this.this is wrong. that's only true for In Water. not the other endings. there is no canon ending or canon setup for James coming to Silent Hill, full stop. the entire point of having multiple endings was that there is no canon ending.
>>723252805>>retard zoom zoom buzzwordAnd may you always remain unaware, fucking imbecile
Realistically speaking, what would you do in this situation?
>>723254185i wouldn't say a single word to eddie. i would listen to him, and that's what no one did.
>>723252408The scene of him killing Mary is downright horrifying in the remake. Arms straight, elbows locked, just dead silence as he smothers his wife to death and she desperately tried to fight back in her sick and weak state. Then it shows his completely emotionally broken reflection on the TV while Yamaoka kino kicks in.
>>723236651it’s not JUST pussy, he also did it to be free of being a 24/7 caretaker to someone he once loved now in agony and maliciously delusional due to their illness/medication
>>723235481Rebirth ending is my favorite ending, i like endings in which the protagonist goes completely madhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYCRABCDEv4
>>723254249HahahahaNoice
how does it feel to know that Silent Hill F is the most succesful game of the franchise and every future game will be based on it
>>723235362The killing is metaphorical, it's like a couple breaking up or divorcing
>>723254446i'm a Leavechad and i know there's no canon ending to the game but i like to think Ritual would be if there was one. bringing it back around to the occult stuff, that ending really brings it full circle as a mirror to SH1, spiritually the opposite of Harry leaving the town with Cheryl II - James going deeper into the town to try for Mary II. plus that ending takes more effort to get than the others like the Good endings in SH1, and the UFO and Dog endings aren't canon so Ritual would be the only high effort ending that could be canon.>>723254864i really doubt it, i know Konami has to be excited by the sales figures and everything but the franchise isn't going to survive as a subpar action series with mild horror elements, the next big FromSoft game to come out on all platforms will wipe the floor with them because they do everything SHf tried to do in terms of gameplay and horror/atmosphere but better and they don't even make horror games anymore.
Akira Yamaoka has the honor of being the only vidya composer who has songs in my daily driver music playlist. Phenomenal stuff.
>>723254864The producer already said it won't be the casehe said that he want every new SH for now to feels different from each others instead of being all based on the same idea, saying he want each game to have some "auteurship" behind them, whatever that mean.the next game Townfall is seemingly releasing in 2026 and it's different from both the remake format and f.
the movie adaptation is releasing next january, probably gonna be bad with some good cinematography but maybe it will (accidentally?) be kino>Isn't related to the first movie universe>budget on the lower side>all monsters are played by actors instead of CGI>director asked for everyone involved to not play the remake so that it doesn't influence the movie, he also did not play it during the making>will take some liberty but still follow all the key moments of the game, down to remaking 1/1 some areas>There's a few new side characters but all the important characters from the original game are there and the focus>Said to be "a story about love" by the director>Unknown which ending it will follow (or even if it's a new ending)>Will have easter eggs to the other japanese games of the franchise but they will stay hidden and not in-your-face/involved with the plot>Horror said to not be jumpscare/gore focused>Some story changes are said to be made to surprise the players of the original game, though others are simply for it to fit the movie format>said to be 100 or so minutes long>Some ex team silent members acted as consultant>Yamaoka did the entire soundtrack, apparently cried after he saw the movie because he was touched about it
>>723256131Yamaoka's music will be the only good thing about this piece of shit. He never misses.
>>723239853fucing retard, remake evolved Xuchilbara really well, its spiritual sequel more than a remake and it was only way to do it really.
>>723235746Demakes are bad on principle. Videogames are the only industry that seems ashamed of its own past works and constantly puts them down for newer and shinier things just 'cause they're newer and shinier and every game now needs to be made under the third person over the shoulder blueprint. They would've added a stamina bar if they knew they could get away with it. The mere act of wanting to remake a work as personal as SH2 is what's wrong, with no ifs or buts.
>>723256282even if the characters looks different the acting might actually be good, none of the actors seemingly are bad,I won't say I'm optimistic about it, but I give it the benefit of the doubt, at the very least it won't be an adaptation done in "bad faith/disrespecting the original work"It can't be as bad as the second movie anyway
>>723256131So, this is a sh2 movie? I kinda liked that old first one
>>723256521You sound like a fag
>>723257135I'm sorry my correct opinion threatens you, fren
>>723235746yeah, it becomes clear after couple play troughs they actually added stuff very subtle but they evoke parts of the original that stayed hidden, because their presentation was minimalist and needed to be read from guide books back then.
>>723235093>can't hug MariaFatal Frame 2 remake when
>>723256131Unless they intentionally cut a really bad trailer as a joke, I'm pretty sure the movie is gonna be shit.
>>723257654>hugging a Silent Hill monster
>>723257778Maybe it’s a 4 digit iq move. Considering most of the trailers for 2 remake looked pretty shit and didn’t actually represent the game
>>723257778it's a bit of a mess because basically, out of the two trailer for the game (the teaser for some times ago and the recent trailer), none were really good for itthe teaser that released some tiimes ago was unfinished and not supposed to release to the publicand the recent trailer was done by an external american company who did not actually worked on the movie, Cineverse only got the US rights but the movie itself was done in Europe, and these did not publish their own trailer because they are a smaller groupSo I don't think the recent trailer is really a good representation of it, it likely was cut by someone who had nothing to do with the production or even silent hill
I will say, I definitely prefer the letter reading in the original, because the voice actress for Mary actually cried while reading her note to James, and that is the take they kept. It is fucking crushing.https://youtu.be/4Tl2xZKpHWU
>>723258073the remake actress is very good but the letter reading was impossible to beat, because it was the actress actual raw emotions, even the best of actors can't beat thisher angry monologue and the pre-boss fight dialogue were very good however
Expedition 33 is the only game in so long that gives me the same feeling as SH2. That video games are art, and can be mature, thoughtful, and beautiful
>>723256131the timing is very good, was anyone at comic con or knows someone who was there? they did a panel with exclusive content for the movie but no one reported on what was said, I asked everywhere
>>723249436No she was a trooned out in the demake.
>Now we can finally be together, forever.>No.
>>723236651>everything is about pussyRetard.
>>723254249This is like the one time where that's actually applicable.
>>723258502This was evil of Maria to do. Still, I feel horrible for her. Her life is a curse.
>>723258686I took it more as desperation than anything else. Maria’s only purpose is to be with James, but he rejects her at every turn and only thinks about Mary. What is she to do then? Copy Mary in one final act of desperation to fulfill her purpose
>>723258502the scene in the Maria ending is even more heart breaking, Mary genuinely looks hurt
>>723256131James looks like the lead singer of a punk rock band and he has a muscle car.My expectations are below rock bottom.My only hope is that it's as hilarious as Revelations 3d was and isn't just boring as shit.
>>723258901I think his faithfulness to Mary says alot about who James really is. Demon town Mary wanted James cock badly
>>723259001The main actor apparently did everything to take the role because he loved the original game when he was young, he might not look like James but he might understand him wellhe also called the movie "the most difficult movie of his career"
>I know what you are. I know why I needed you. But that’s all over now, I don’t need you anymore.>I’m ready.
>>723258502>dressed like Mary>changes her cadence to be more docile and sweet like Mary >he still sees right through itHe truly did love his wife.
>>723259157It's all in the little details, there's some dead giveaway it's not her, just by looking at her facethe face animation of the game might be a little hit-or-miss but when they hit, they REALLY hit
>>723259131Absolute kino.
>>723259124Casting wise he probably would have been fine if they bothered to dress him like James and gave him a haircut.Your first impression of James is he's a bit of a dork. Like Ned Flanders. Someone you'd never expect to kill his wife.Coked up leather jacket wearing punk band guy is the first person I expect to kill his wife.
>>723233841SH2R KINOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>723259364The movie has some very strange things because there's that or Maria's strange wig that looks a bit silly, but then there's some areas completely redone to look exactly like in the game, all the monsters looking very well detailed, I wonder if there will be some explanations outside of just "we wanted to try some change just for the sake of it/the movie takes place closer to our timeframe"
Can I just say I love the new scene after the abstract daddy fight? Specifically the moment where Angela makes it clear she sees right through James, and James tone and expression turns menacing as fuck. Then James ponders to himself, “why did that piss me off so much?”
>>723259364Like he looks the part in this movie albeit maybe a bit too handsome.I get the casting decision. I don't get the costume/production design.
>>723259570I have this feeling that Mary's death is going to be an accident as a way to subvert expectations.
>>723258073The original letter reading is the greatest piece of acting in any video game.
>>723258227Remake actress is really good, people only praise Luke, but holy shit she delivers as well>>723235481
>>723259574the new Angela scenes in general were pretty goodher performance is very different from the original game, but not necessarily in a bad way it's just different but still I think understand the essence of the character.it's why I think they should rererelease the original game too because the remake is clearly not a "replacement", it's an alternate take.A little while ago there was some rumors of a new collection but nothing since
>>723259791I thought she was pretty bad desu. She's good in some scenes like the one you posted but often I just don't buy her acting.Eddie and Angela are both good tho.
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>>723259574I like when James says "I'm not crazy." and you can even he doesn't believe what he's trying to tell himself. Luke Roberts was so good. I wonder if he did the mocap? Because there's a lot of little mannerisms in this game that stuck with me. Like when Maria pours him a drink and he just stares at it longingly. Or the meme headshake that gets posted here
>>723235481This is my favourite ending since James is still able to come to terms with Mary's death and move on, but it also isn't saccharine and "perfect" like in Leave where he adopts a little girl who was being a bitch to him and whom he interacted with for basically a grand total of 10 minutes throughout the course of the game.>I wanted you gone. I wanted my life back..>Honey, if that was true, then why do you look so sad?
>>723259717the director in some interview said that James is clearly a mad man in denial if not a psychopath so I think he still did it, it's too big of a plot point to be changed the details might changes however
>>723259791I didn't think any of the remake actors were particularly good except the guy who played James
>>723259791As Mary, she's ok, as Maria it's a complete miscast in every way possible
>>723259574>>723259804People talk about the Stillness ending as the greatest contribution that Bloober made to SH2 but really I think the Angela story and especially the new Abstract Daddy boss fight are way better. Especially now that they added the fucking curtains back into the stage.
>>723259791Not showing her full face is such a beautiful touch. She sounds so sweet and caring here.
>>723259717That completely defeats the whole point though? What, he just blames himself for an accident? There is no redemption/forgiveness/acceptance if they go that way.
>>723258051Everything you say has validity but it cover for the really bad looking set/prop/costume elements. They shot this scene bottom-up which shows the fabric neckhole on the bottom of Pyramid Head's helmet. I understand having the helmet like this makes sense because you have to have an actor actually be able to wear the fucking thing, but if that's how it has to be then you shoot around it instead of sticking it right in the middle of frame.
I never understood the people who said this game censored shit, because it goes even harder than the original. The new Abstract Daddy fight and video tape are so much more gruesome
>>723259870Eddie unironically mog the original performance, it took all the good of it and enhanced it.Same for Laura (who is also playing her in the upcoming movie though it was a complete coincidence apparently)
>>723239853The body is also in the car in the original. Why you think James crashes the car into the river in the In Water ending.
>James actor in the remake also was the mocap actor for Pyramid Head>Mary/Maria actor in the remake also was the mocap actors for almost all the enemiesSaving budget or done on purpose?
>>723260103My only complaint is for some reason they got lazy with Laura’s facial animations. The va is giving it her all when she’s screaming at James, but for some reason she’s got a blank stare on her face
>>723235746I mean the criticism with the bloat and combat is valid, but as I have said all along the original had shit combat anyways and anyone who thinks otherwise is a Silent Hill 2 "fan" who just watched youtube essays and now base their entire personality around it.
One of the changes I liked was James meeting with Maria at the dock and Maria subtly pulling his attention from the open water where the hotel would be back to her. He's looking into the distance and trying to remember where Mary would be and she's distracting him by flirting and redirecting him back into town.I don't know how Bloober team managed it because when I think of their games I think of really dumb, loud obnoxious shit.
In hindsight, did James fuck up by not tagging along with Eddie?
>>723260206>>James actor in the remake also was the mocap actor for Pyramid HeadOn purpose since in the original game Pyramid Head had the exact same model at James. Literally same build and height.>>Mary/Maria actor in the remake also was the mocap actors for almost all the enemiesProbably budget, but it adds a nice tragic twist that James just really REALLY wanted to fuck Mary and no one else.
>>723260096They removed Pyramid Head groping a lying figure's ass while they were both moaning loudly before his boss fight.
>>723259954Why did you make Jinnie cry?>>723260103>who is also playing her in the upcoming movieSeriously? lol
>>723260427Nah. Eddie would have heard James calling him fat or something and shot him like he did the dog.
>>723260353For some reason the remake combat just clicks with me. Can’t really say why, I just like it. That being said, yeah they bloated certain sections to fuck. You get to a certain point in the hospital where you’ve done what you needed to do to get by, but the game just decides to say fuck you and adds another two hours of gameplay
>>723260096I think it's due to Angela looking a bit weird at time, though I think it's more accidental than anything, this was the studio first true big game so the face mocap is a little hit-or-miss in some scenes. the same thing happened with f. The only recent game which had good character mocap for the whole thing was The Short Message but it's barely noticeable because most of the cutscenes are in live action.>>723260486He still does it but now it's a blink or miss moment, probably was done because Ito was tired to fight people about that scene online kek
>>723260614>you thought you were almost done?>well here's three more items you have to find to finish this puzzle box
>>723260404I picked up on this one too. It was really neat because Maria was an evil succubus manifested by the town to lead him astray. Every time he comes close to the truth she pulls away back into his delusions. You can see this thematically since she always leads him further and further away from the lighthouse into the dark depths.
>>723260604Maybe that’s what happened to all these other versions of James? Those versions did team up with Eddie, but they said the wrong things and got filled with lead for it
>James carries Mary's letter throughout the entire game >if you look at it after the reveal it is a blank piece of paper >if you go to look at it before the final boss, it's gone from your inventory completely Brilliant. Just fucking brilliant. Every little detail was thought out.
>>723260713f definitely has better animation than 2 does though. not sure why exactly but Hinako looks more like a real person than anyone in 2R.f is still shit tho
>>723260427Town would separate them anyway
>>723260263just like the original game, her actress was a kid I think, so they probably could not have the same setting as with the regular actors.
>>723260427why is he so greasy?why does he eat ice cream with his hands?
This felt like the bar scene from Doctor Sleep
>>723260549Yeah, though she looks extremely different. so the performance probably will be different too.I'm pretty sure it was accidental, unless she just really like the character for some reasons kek
>>723260103I'll disagree with that. Eddie sounds unhinged and disgusting straight away in the remake while in the original he just sounds like an aloof dude that's not all there.Then we see him and he is eating a fucking icecream tub with his bare hand in a dark cinema instead of being a normal aloof guy sitting around eating pizza while talking to Laura.Remake Eddie is just always "ooOOooOoo creepy" which is too tryhard.And Laura? Her actress was 13 or 14 in the remake and she sounds like a teenage rather than a child. Original Laura was an actual 8 year old girl.
>>723261036>James eyefucking the booze the entire timeiktf. 2 years sober.
>>723260713>He still does it but now it's a blink or miss moment, probably was done because Ito was tired to fight people about that scene online kekWhere? This is the scene before the boss fight starts.
>>723260829Hinako's model looks more realistic, but the face mocap in some scenes it's a little strangeKojimbo said recently that face mocap with asian actors is actually really hard to get right, people joked on him for this thinking he was pretentious but he maybe was onto something
>>723261036Was it ever confirmed James is an alcoholic? I know that longing stare at a bottle anywhere. That is someone on the wagon desperately trying not to fall off
>>723261171ah I thought you meant the scene before
>>723261213In the original there are a couple small references to it. He was at some point but from the sounds of it he hasn't been for a while.
>>723261213It’s heavily implied
>>723261325I always found this one to be pretty weird. The examine messages in SH3 tend to have a lot of Heather's personality in them but in SH2 they usually read like an objective observer commenting rather than James' inner thoughts.
>>723261325What a brilliant game
>>723261124Keep up the fight
Born from a wish was 100% in development at one point for the remake, there was some voicelines from it in the files of the remake, either it got canceled or they are just waiting for it to release it and it was already completed years ago
>>723261465I imagine it’s just one of those moments that hits home for James
>>723261520I'm guessing Bloober didn't have time to work on it between finishing Cronos, their other secret project and SH1 remake. I really don't miss it desu. Unless they were planning to completely change everything about it, it was never a great addition to the game.
>>723261660It serves to give a lot more sympathy to Maria
>>723261520born from a wish takes away from the main story anyway
>>723235481It'll never top the original, much less In Water, but it still makes it justice. Nicely done
>>723261660there's a possibility it was already finished on release, And Konami simply asked them to not release it until the xbox port. Same for why the playstation pro update has not being released yet.Chronos was done by Bloober's B team, it wasn't the same main people behind it and SH
>>723261520Leaving Maria ambiguous as to her purpose is a better call.
>>723235481What is the significance of James looking at the letter like 3 times before (presumably) deciding not to kill himself? Wasn't the letter fake also?
Apparently it's releasing in early-mid 2026 and it's PT inspired, and it has ghostWonder how that will be, anyone played the studio behind it previous games?
Was it aura farming?
>>723233841>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhhnoPVk0S4So much soul from the voice acting. Hope bloober does SH3 so that you tranny niggers seethe some more
>>723235746The voice acting for james and mary is some top tier shit. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.
>>723262036I'm expecting Townfall to play like Stories Untold (their previous game) but with a radio instead of a computer. I dunno if I liked it that much but Stories Untold is an interesting and unique game.
>>723262207SH3 is much easier to adapt than SH2 imoSH1 will be the real challenge, because it actually requires much more artistic liberty to be made. So I wonder how they will handle it and the feedback they got from SH2
>>723262023He always gets the real letter by the end of his journey, and it’s up to him to decide what to do with it.>In Water-Don’t even acknowledge it, just kills himself. What’s the point if this is the end?>Maria-Takes the letter, but tosses it aside like he did Mary. Not getting closure, not learning his lesson.>Leave-Reads the letter and honors Mary’s dying wish>Stillness-He can’t bring himself to read it, but he can’t ignore it either. Much like how he can’t forgive himself, but also can’t kill himself.
Once I realized Salome has a bit of a lisp, it completely ruined her VA for me lmao
>>723262023He's stuck in some sort of loop, where if he isn't able to accept his choices and forgive himself, he resets the narrative and convinces himself of what he believes in the very beginning of the game. That Mary sent him a letter and is waiting for him. You can see the light in his eyes shift as he looks at. I think in this ending he realized this, and decided to end it all. People do say that it sounds like the car door opens however. The loop theory has a lot of substantial evidence.
>>723262282I agree about James, but Mary/Maria is complete dogshit. Bitch sounds bored all the time instead of sexy or in pain.
>>723262307current rumors says it has no combat, so it's only exploration or running away, and that it's episodic.it's just a rumor though, but I would not be surprised if Konami do a new Silent Hill stream thing either before the end of the year or early in 2026, especially with Born from a wish possibly also releasing and the upcoming movie
>>723260096The new Abstract Daddy is a good example of my problem with the remake. It shows that Bloober can do a good job conceptualizing and executing an idea that pays homage to the simpler version of it from the original but they fuck it up when it comes to the subtler details. When you're done running the exposition trauma gauntlet (it's cool but so heavy handed) that is chock full of imagery symbolic of penetration with all of the piston and mechanical hardware you end up in the final room where you fight AB and it has the meaty piston holes from the original game on the walls, but they're static. There's no piston movement in the holes the way the original had it, which was the whole point of the imagery of them. It's the perfect crystalization of why Bloober Team is Blooper Team. I don't hate the SH2 remake but I feel like despite it having all of the ingredients to be a perfect remake theres all of these minor things that show they got overwhelmed by being in the director's seat and strayed too far off the path wanting to realize their own ideas while they either forgot a lot of the things in SH2 that people have held on to for all these years or they didn't think they were important enough to do right.
>>723262036Why all of a sudden is Konami making video games again, and most importantly why Silent Hill? Was the 2 remake that well received and successful?
>>723262493>loop theoryget the fuck outta here
>>723262493the loop thing isn't fully confirmed, it's just a theory and the team at Bloober played a little with it, but it's not like 100% full canon just some interpretation
>>723262319Yeah I don't envy their situation with SH1. It's very different from the rest of the series especially in terms of enemy design. And the story is so abstract any attempts to clarify it will only piss people off.
>>723262574There was some changes in the executives and maybe mobile gaming did not gave as much anymore, or the new people in charge just want more gamesSH is the weird case however, because it never really had a lot of sales, and the new producer of the franchise was not even a guy from Konami, he was a guy from Nintendo, he joined Konami and the first thing he did was to plan a big revival for SH, and even if there was a few fails, it somehow still managed to be a success for the heavy hitters. I have no idea how he managed to convince the executives of his move because that's pretty insane
I will simply never forgive Konami for this >Hideo Kojima >Gullimero Del Toro >Junji Ito It had so much potentialhttps://youtu.be/9zv82ED8BmM
>>723262602You can say it isn't canon to original Silent Hill 2 and that's fine, but it's definitely canon to the remake. If you collect all of the polaroid collectables you get from the isometric nostalgia points in the game they spell out "YOUVE BEEN HERE FOR TWO DECADES"
>>723262683Apparently they wanted to work on SH1 from the very beginning so I don't think they feel as pressured with it, especially as SH2 is much more the "cult classic" today than the first game, who now is almost ignored by some fans
>>723262549They removed the moving piston walls because they put in the fuck curtains instead. But then the fuck curtains got removed from the 1.1 patch (for performance reasons afaik) so most people didn't see how it was supposed to look until they added them back in in 1.4.
Why did Booba Team lie to us, are they stupid?https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/why-didnt-silent-hill-2-remake-devs-bloober-start-by-remaking-silent-hill-1-the-devs-explain>"I think Silent Hill 2 just matches our DNA way better," Lenart began. "It's much more emotional, a much more personal story than, for example, the first game or the third game. And we at Bloober were always fans of telling personal stories about people's experiences, people's feelings and how they go through them. Not so much about, you know know, occultism and things from other worlds, right? So I think that was the main reason, basically."
>>723262862that's just an easter egg. you're reaching hard if you think that's canon
>>723262857I think it had potential to be a great horror game but as a silent hill game I'm not sureKojimbo probably will reuse all the wanted with it on OD, so really, you are getting it anyway
>>723235746https://youtu.be/UlbsdUcHqzQhttps://youtu.be/Wwk-bqUeh8gNo.
>>723262857OD is probably going to reuse a lot of PT/Silent Hills concepts anyway so you can just look forward to that instead. Junji Ito is also making a game but it looks kinda shit desu.
>>723262549>lingering shot of Angela walking up the long staircase, her body almost entirely obscured by the fire>reverse shot from the flame of James watching her. James leaves the room when you decide the moment is overVs>Angela walks up the stairs into the flames, still visible>cut to closeup of James shaking his head and quickly leaving the room
>>723262893Why does wanting one thing require removing the other? I uninstalled my copy of the remake a long time ago and it was either on the release patch or 1.1 but I don't know what you mean by curtains.>>723262036I forgot that existed because I thought it was that shitty interactive movie thing they did.
>>723262549I felt like the industrial shit kinda lost its symbolism in the remake AD fight because the entire otherworld is like that. We always see the same pistons and industrial shit because they turned the otherworld into a generic industrial hell, so it kinda lost its impact in the AD fight.And to add to your post, AD lacks the hump attack and Angela isn't spacing out traumatized in the corner of the room which I thought was a neat touch in the original that we could see her there.The room has vaginal walls with oozing pistons pumping, we see them the entire fight in the background, Angela is spaced out in the corner in front of the TV, so I thought the symbolism that the TV was her only mental escape when her abuse was neat.
>>723262937Probably Konami asked them to in case the remake didn't do wellever noticed how the way the remake was marketed was pretty damn piss-poor? I think some people at Konami were very much not confident about it's success.
>>723263068https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hortJOLPFVY
>patch 1.0 made Maria's head smallerShit will always be funny to medid they ever got to fix Laura's diddy kong arms?
>>723263068the weird streaming series was both a blessing and a curse, it was a terrible way to start but everything that was after was much better At least I assume so I never watched it
>>723258073according to the remake actress she wanted to cry too but she was concerned it might take the player out of the letter so she didn't. she was surprised to hear the original actress cried, she didn't see anything from the OG until after they finished recording and mocap. >>723258686i think the remake did a good job highlighting her more sympathetic traits given there's no Born From A Wish. >>723259001Revelations is my favorite of the movies, the guy who directed that one trooned out a few years after that so i'd love for him to make another one. he's genuinely insane in the most entertaining way unlike most trannies who are purely destructive creatures. >>723259364i'd much rather he focus on the character of James than doing an impression or cosplay of the PS2 version, this isn't gonna be the PS2 version of Sh2's story anyway lol
>>723263137It definitely seems like things were tense behind the scenes. Especially since Bloober straight up said Konami was at fault for the bad marketing
>>723263240The streaming series is the worst thing I've ever watched.No exaggeration. Even as its own thing it's just really boring and awful.
>>723263137Idk I think this trailer is amazing and it got me to actually buy it. Hard to market a remake of a game that while beloved, is still considered a cult classic. It didn't sell all that well originally. https://youtu.be/CMvrMTmuJuA
>>723263359Is it a "so bad it's funny" thing or it's not even funny? does it has any redeeming qualities? (like homecoming which has some really cool monster design even if the game is pretty mediocre)
>>723263320>he's genuinely insane in the most entertaining way unlike most trannies who are purely destructive creatures.I can't get mad at MJ because Solomon Kane is van helsing schlock kino and his evil dead episodes were good.
>>723248720Holy mald
>>723262937The town made him stupid
>>723263435That was when Konami started to realize "oh shit we need to wake up we might be onto something"the release trailer was 50/50 on the reception and the awful combat trailer also ruined the game
>>723263458If it was so bad it was funny I would actually enjoy it. Silent Hill Revelations is so bad that it's funny. Ascension is just boring and incomprehensible from start to end. The only funny thing to come from it was the Its Trauma sticker.
>>723251912both games are programmed to push you towards Leave on the first ending. you get bonus "points" towards leave ending if you never got it before>>723252886makes sense, remake can fuck you up on normal difficulty. I've replayed original sh2 many times and I don't think I ever died in this game>>723254254you can find the room where mary lived and was killed in the apartments
>>723250534did they...
>>723263603Yes.
>>723263603>>723263704Sam Lake is for Kojima onlyI wonder how a Remedy-made SH would look...
>>723252924>censored slop >coolest thing ever
>>723263840Synthetic man lost
>>723263060game didn't even let us linger in the room and james just shrugs and leaves like "what a raped bitch"
>>723263759I would kill for a Northlight Engine Silent Hill.Remedy I don't really care for though.Alan Wake 2 has just as much horror as it has goofy shit in it. I don't trust them to make a pure horror game without their style leaking in.
>>723262501Mary had some lows with the voice acting, but all in all she was an improvement over the original. Unlike Angela, boy oh boy everytime I cringe when I hear her voice.
>>723263892
>In my restless dreams, I see that town.>Silent Hill.>You promised me you'd take me there again someday. But you never did.>Well, I'm alone there now... In our 'special place'... Waiting for you...>Waiting for you to come to see me.>But you never do.>And so I wait, wrapped in my cocoon of pain and loneliness.
Why’d this line give me a boner?
>>723263993Mary's high are very very good but they don't beat the high from the original, But I think her low are better.Angela I can't really compare because it's a completely different interpretation of the character. To me they are pretty equal but also very differentSometimes she sounds weird but I think that's the point, she's clearly very unwell in her head
>>723264129You have a lust for Fox Mulder probably from an unresolved desire to want to be Scully getting fucked by Mulder.
>>723263892Is Alan Wake 2 worth playing? I didn't really care for the first game because the story didn't impress me (I get it, it's a huge send up to pulp shit like Stephen King but I'd read so much Stephen King back then I felt it was derivative) and the 'burn through their armor with light before you can do anything' got old real quick.
>>723264325I think it's a masterpiece personally but it's pretty controversial on /v/ because of black people and epic games.It's a much better game than the original in every way.
This is another great Bloober addition in my opinion. This was very well directed. You can feel the sorrow on James https://youtu.be/haGY_27GR9M
>>723264325Only the Alan sections are good. Saga’s big problem is she’s written to be female Dale Cooper, but her actress sucks
>>723262319absolutely not, sh3 is by far and the hardest to recreate, for lot of reasons, its very subliminal even more than 2, it has context matter is needed to be handle very carefully or it will turn into bad taste or woke bs.
>>723263993Original Mary didn't have lows, though. And her highs are much better. NuMary completely butchered the letter and all the Maria scenes.
>>723264509Imo the retirement home/hospital section is the best part of the game. But yeah every time I rethink of playing it I remember Coffee World and lose a lot of enthusiasm.
>>723264538>sh3 is by far the hardest to recreate, for lot of reasons. It's very subtle, even more than 2; it has subject matter that needs to be handled very carefully or it will be seen as 'bad taste' or 'woke bs'.Ftfy Grok
>>723264573Fuck Sam Lake for making me actually be scared by jump scares
>>723262549they clearly chose not to do it that way it was obvious they did it on other stuff too.
Why didn't Pyramid Head kill James when he shot at him from the closet?
>>723264751He was busy aura farming
I think the difference between original Angela and remake Angela is that the original while she sounded weird was more in a "twin peak" kind of way, it wasn't realistic, she sounded really out there. It worked on some scenes, it just was weird on others. but it wasn't very realistic sometimesRemake Angela actually sound like how a broken women would sound, and it's not something you often see in games or even movies, because it's not really cinematic, it doesn't "sound good" or just "weird/scary", it's something more real
>>723264751Pyramid Head isn't some Grim Reaper sent to kill James. It's his subconscious desire to be punished for what he did to Mary, manifesting as some twisted archangel manifested to guide him through the town. It's why he keeps killing Maria. To symbolize the loss of Mary at his own hands. It's why they kill themselves after the final boss battle. He has accepted his role in his wife's death, and no longer needs guidance to the truth. He is ready to face the consequences of his actions. If Pyramid Head murdered him in the apartments, it would render the entire reason he is there as pointless.
>>723264325I really wanted to enjoy it (I don't care about the drama at all), and I hated it. Remedy can't write stories for shit. Everything is lol so random nonsense, Sam Lake is a hack fraud
>>723265206In a twisted way, PH almost is trying to help James face the truthin one of the original plan for SH2, James had an evil doppelganger going around, this concept later morphed into PH, I wonder if he would have kept the same role... Funny how the Doppelganger concept ended up actually happening with f.
>>723262978it could have been silent hill 4 again and sh4 is great, pt had the domestic horror vibe like it
>>723265736Kojimbo said PT would have had nothing to do with the game, no way he would cast a big actor only for the game to be only in first person too
>>723265736Could have had the dungeons throughout the game be relatively mundane, small buildings that escher out inside instead of large structures the other games use. I'm certain Kojima would have fucked it all up after how up his own ass everything he made after went.
>>723264751Would you really wanna go against this?
>>723265924Do you really wanna taste it?
>>723265339did you like twin peaks season 3
>>723259636it could also be a way to help differentiate the portrayal from the games so that you don't look at this guy and immediately think of the same character from the games. >>723260002i like the Abstract Daddy setpiece but i really hate the same methodology applied to the final boss fight.>>723260103>Same for Laura (who is also playing her in the upcoming movie though it was a complete coincidence apparently)to my knowledge she's the first person to ever play a character in both a game and an adaptation based on the game that isn't just some easter egg/cameo. it's just the remake, but it's still interesting.>>723260404Masahiro Ito was babysitting them.
>>723256521Demakes are generally a bad concept, yes, but video games are NOT the only industry that does this. Movies have a serious problem with this and have had it for decades, and it's only gotten worse as they flood the market with remakes of old movies.
>>723252985>>723239524The letter was left with the nurse to give him after her death, it didn't manifest when he got there. His mindbreak just made him ignore everything past the first few sentences.
>>723266261Tails VA from the sonic games also played Tails in the Sonic movies (was due to the cameo in the first movie being a last minute move and they didn't wanted to recast. though she was paid much less than the other actors in the movies)
>JAMES KILLED MARY BECAUSE…BECAUSE HE JUST DID, OKAY?!
>>723266292I don't have any issue with remakes if they make the original available more easily, and even then it's not very hard to play the original SH2.Konami just need to release a SH collection, which might happen judging on them doing it for many other franchises of theirs.
>>723264547Yeah but her Mary scenes are really good (aside from the letter of course). Makes me think the Voice Director fucked up bigly.
>>723266490The SH2 Enhanced Edition does a better job preserving the game than Konami ever would honestly. If Konami tried to do a proper re-release it would just end up being the HD Collection 2.0.
>>723266489The horniness made him murderous
It was nice to have a thread about the Remake without it being 300 posts of asshurt. Wasn't all just dicksucking too. A lot of good criticism here too. But it felt like real criticism and not just people complaining because it's a remake.Thanks fellas.
>>723261095eddie is just more pathetic than in original and it fits his character and hes lying well in remake too.ice cream mirrored eddies inner world way better, hes breath is frosted like in the meat fridge that is his other world.
>>723266583I don't think it be as bad as HD, this was took much of a blunder to be done again, the recent Konami ports usually ranges from meh to good.>>723266565The original VA was actually crying with her real emotions, you can't really beat a performance like that by acting.
Why does he wear shorts if he’s always cold, has he gone nuts?
>>723266489imagine being so beta tranny you dont understand sh2 because it was made for men or sh3 because it was ment for women.
>>723260486that's not woke censorship, Ito hates that retards think every single thing in the game is sexual. Pyramid Head is explicitly not a sexual creature and isn't doing anything sexual to the monsters, they're delusions meant to distract James from facing the truth of what he did which is all Pyramid Head desires hence he destroys the monsters.yes it's meant to LOOK sexual to us, but it isn't sexual to Pyramid Head and it isn't representative of "sexual frustration", it's just something done to fuck with the player. it's meant to make you feel like you walked in on an intimate moment, but you look closer and realize he's really hurting them.>>723261465that's because for a lot of SH2 the engine is running but no one is behind the wheel so to speak. he's in a sort of fugue state, there's just enough "James" there to pilot the meat puppet around.>>723262773Silent Hill never sold well historically but it was still a brand name and the movie did well enough that a lot of people were familiar with the name even if they never played one of the games before. in a lot of ways Silent Hill has way more normie penetration (giggity) than any other Konami franchise. most normies couldn't tell you who Revolver Ocelot or Soma Cruz are off the top of their head, but i bet you they'd recognize Pyramid Head and sexy movie nurses. it's a big reason Silent Hill f is doing so well, it's very easy and accessible so finally all those huge "Silent Hill fans" can play one for the first time.
>>723266773I genuinely don't get his body type. His face is the face of a 600lbs man but his body looks only mildly overweight.
>>723266663its best silent hill since sh4 remake or not.
>>723266853He doesn’t have the makings of a varsity athlete
Everyone SHUT THE FUCK UPIt's time to get to brass tacks and talk about the shit that actually matters, why the FUCK haven't there been any good animations using the new Bubblehead Nurse model yet?
Is the remake worth playing?
>>723266973YOU MOTHERF-
>>723266773
GUESS I GOT WHAT I DESERVED
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>>723267336That looks greatIs that ingame?
>>723260486>>723266804i think the cutscenes that show monsters where by far the thing blooper didint land, no floaty weird camera angles with disturbing noises cutting in, they where just noisy and loud in action way, lying figure stumbling trough boards, hospitall boss crashing trough the roof... pyramid head just throwing monster away. must say i liked all the other cutscenes with pyramid head in them, the red light was nice touch that brought red gods influence closer.
>>723267481The one introducing the lying figure is a straight downgrade in every single way.When I saw that shit prior to release it made me almost skip the game.
>>723263351they were right, every single thing that Konami chose to show us of the remake looked like shit and made it look like some kind of actiony RE4 remake type thing.>>723263993>Mary had some lows with the voice acting, but all in all she was an improvement over the originalobjectively incorrect. Monica's reading of Mary's letter is one of the best pieces of video game voice acting ever.>>723264946i disagree. original Angela really does sound like someone seriously damaged from abuse. remake Angela is very clearly an actress pretending to be someone like that.
>>723267709yeah me too, they changed james face in bath room, the first monster encounter should have released same kind of controversy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DWHGl0-Djo>Can she?The look of complete shame on James and Mary looking disgusted at him, they really managed to make the Maria ending feeling even worse, I feel bad for anyone who got it by mistake
>>723265853PT was largely an experiment meant to advertise Silent Hills, that game was going to be open world and not like PT. while he did take notes from Silent Hill 4 and popular indie games of the time, it was really him messing with social media and streaming as a medium for interacting with a game - kind of like Dark Souls games. everyone was meant to take much longer to solve the puzzle, it was supposed to be weeks of the community coming together to unlock the mystery of PT, so that's probably what OD is going to be like.>>723267043it's okay. it has its own moments. i think it does some interesting unique stuff and adds to the experience of SH2 if you've played the original to death. it isn't perfect but it's no HD Collection either.>>723267481the monster designs were some of the weakest aspects of this one just because of the texture work on them. it's too clean and conventional, it really lacks the grit that the monsters in 2 and 3 had on them, that texture work was sublime. you can't tell me they couldn't do it due to technology or whatever either because the environments are super grungy.
>>723254185Ask him if he's nuts.
>>723268078I'm not sure he even took notes from SH4, maybe some of the people who worked with him did, but I honestly think it's likely that Kojima never played any Silent Hill game and he just was using the brand for marketing reasons
>>723254185having James pull a gigachad punch was kind of a weird move. I'm still not sure how to feel about this
>>723254185>"Listen, fat."
>>723268078the SH2 remake clearly is an enhanced experience if you played the original before, there's even some stuff that almost expect you to have played the original. like how the conversation with James and the doctor doesn't play in the remake, and you can find the recorder from that scene broken in the remake. it's not a requirement but you miss a lot of little things if you had no knowledge of SH2 before
>>723267379https://youtu.be/B88LwkPLbtE?si=YScLH-aUXD7neKyd
>>723268182Yeah one of the things I'm sure about is that if Silent Hills did get finished, people would be saying>It's a good game but it's not a good Silent Hill gameI don't think Kojima gave a fuck about the series besides the vague notion that it takes place in a foggy American town.
>>723268078im pretty sure Ito designed the new paint on the enemies, he add couple touches. but yes they look more strile and latexy, but so does the james otherworld, they add that because new technology and new "style" less damp more latexy, it fits well with theme of suffocation.
>>723268182>I'm not sure he even took notes from SH4have you ever played SH4? >I honestly think it's likely that Kojima never played any Silent Hill game and he just was using the brand for marketing reasonsthe president of Konami personally asked him to get the franchise back on track after Tom Hulett and his pals ran it into the ground.>>723268434MGSV alone showed he could tell a story like a Silent Hill game. that game's story has more in common with Silent Hill than it does any Metal Gear game in terms of how its presented.
>>723268365hell there is james work place in the remake and you need the guide sheet from original to even notice that.
>>723268434I think the most ironic of things is that while people often talk about the cancellation of Silent Hills, they do not know that Silent Hills itself lead to the cancellation of other titles.there was a game done by an unknown Japanese studio, and also another silent hill done by Climax that would have enhanced the psychology system they started with Shattered Memories, and that's just those we know about
>>723268250In motion the punch actually looks pretty wimpy to me. But I just think that just shows off more how pathetic Eddie is. He wants to be a big bad serial killer, meanwhile he’s got the real deal in front of him, who can easily drop eddie with a limp sucker punch
>>723268718Just because Kojima knows about it doesn't mean he did played itI find it more likely than some people who worked with him did play SH games before, but him did not. Kojima almost never play video games. He never was a gamer like some other developers.
blooper should make sh4 remake after sh1
>>723268250They rewrote James to be smarter when dealing with Eddie. Instead of calling him nuts and escalating the situation, Eddie escalates the situation himself, leading James with no choice but to clock his dumbass
>>723268784Climax were hacky shovelware devs so nothing of value was lost>>723268932they won't sadly but after the apartments in SH2 i really wish they would have done SH4 first. that's the only game that could really benefit from a ground up remake, it was a mess.
>>723268838that actually makes their dynamic way better, i always tought maybe eddie really killed someone but that makes it more clear he didint. it pretty dark when you think about it, why was he in silent hill, for killing a dog? unlike james and angela.
How do you defeat it?
>>723235746Aside from Maria’s face and a few of her lines falling completely flat. And there being roughly 150 enemies too many in the game (especially hidden mannequins.) Otherwise yeah it’s a perfect remake. James is far superior to the original game.
>>723269406>*adds item durability*
>>723269348The dog belonged to a guy who liked to bully Eddie. When the owner saw Eddie kill the dog, Eddie shot him in the leg and ran away
>>723269348He shot a dog and he shot the guy who owned the dog in the leg. Did you even play the game? Eddie spells it out clearly in the original and the remake. Eddie has always been the odd duck of the visitors in Silent Hill 2, his crimes don't match James or Angela but the fact he's sort of revelling in it sets him apart.
>>723269661>Did you even play the game?70% of the people in these threads have never played a Silent Hill game before in their lives
>>723235481>My mom trying her best despite dad's passing, but I can tell how badly it affected her, she's less sharp, forgets things among other stuff>mfw when I saw this ending
Originally, Silent Hill Downpour was going to be about a genuinely terrible dude in Silent Hill, the project was advanced enough for test to be made, but the project changed and got rewritten because the testers disliked playing the game as they found the main character too unlikable.He looked very different too.based on the leftover model found
>>723269520yeah he was a dangeroys guy that might have killed someone sooner or later, but he wasent killer like james and angela. when you think it angela propably killed his father in self defense james was only real murderer there. but eddies story is sad, like silent hill brings up worst in him literally driving him to try kill someone.
>>723269760Meanwhile, 2 stars a man who smothered his wife to death, and Homecoming stars a dude who drowned his little brother to death
>>723269797Good morning sir
>>723256131Angela isn’t in the film.
>>723269661most of what eddy says i just blatant lie, no i never fully believed anything he said, he killed couple human like creatures very likely. the guy in the fridge and the guy in the prison, there is dead james too in front of tv near place that connects to eddy
>>723269951I guess it’s dead on arrival then
>>723269850It's the presentation I think, James isn't a good person but he also genuinely regret it, and for Homecoming it not only was an accident but Alex got so broken by it he almost brainwashed himself.Here it was going to star a guy who is a criminal from the start and doesn't seemingly have regrets about it. though I feels like it maybe would have changed as the story progress as I don't see how they could do a full game with this the entire waythough the character was said to be like "Patrick Bateman" in Silent Hill
>>723269951Anon she's literally on a screenshot and a guy who worked on it confirmed it. We just don't know who is playing her yet.
>>723269992I feel like you don't think much at all.
>>723251765The composer wasn't Yamaoka?
>>723246734NoFuck remakes and movies
>>723270186lol
Thoughts on Silent Hill Homecoming…’s soundtrack?https://youtu.be/xOSbEafTHfo?si=U4k2ilaOWAAF3mV5
>>723248395Why were you subscribed to a single digit IQ grifter in the first place?
>>723263320She must have been distraught seeing the OG versions of the prison cell and letter reading scenes.
>>723270180think enough to connect some might be random football posters to dead james, to warn me not to trust eddy.
Tbh, there's not much you can do with Silent Hill. Like with every new entry to the series, how are you going to make it a Silent Hill game?
>>723270474Having it actually take place in/lead to Silent Hill probably wouldn't hurt.
>>723269951>>723270020She's still here
>>723270553>all games must be exactly the sameI'm glad that they are branching out and making silent hill games outside of silent hill and different in general. by the time sh3 released, I already felt this shit was getting old
>>723270659>She liked it>Thats why she's having a mental breakdown.
>>723270702I think they will return in the titular town when they do a bigger new entry (if Townfall doesn't take place in it)Having SH taking place in modern times would already changes how it looks enough, since for now, almost all games takes place between 1970 and 2004
>>723270751What are you talking about?
>>723265924James if he eastern euro
>>723270553The problem with that is the entire town is going to be fully mapped out by the Bloober remakes. That’s why I was okay with f taking such a wild swing. The series would get stale all over again if you’re exploring the same streets/hospitals/schools/malls/hotels in every game. There’s a reason Resident Evil expanded its horizons post RE3. Hell even Silent Hill tried to go beyond the town as early as SH3. The 4th game barely features the town and the 5th mostly took place in Shepherd’s Glen. Silent Hill has been trying to escape from Silent Hill since the days of the PS2.
>>723268365Plus the fact that they changed the original Pyramid Head jumpscare on the hospital rooftop in a way where you’d only understand the bait-and-switch if you’d played the original
The remake just looked too sterile for me to enjoy. Replayed the first three games this month and tried to replay the remake but it just looks so bland and generic.
>>723270959please dont ask about it
>>723270702That just means it stops being Silent Hill, but really Silent Hill should've never been a franchise anyway.
>>723266853>Mildly overweightAnon it's time for you to go on a diet.
>>723270381yeah it's crazy how much worse the prison cell scene is. i find the prison/maze overall to be much weaker and more video gamey/conventional than the original presented it, where you're constantly going through these bizarre environments with little explanation or headway as to what is going on or why.>>723271058i think its version of the nightmare sequences are pretty good. lots of rich environmental detail. the nightmare hospital is definitely the highlight of the game, probably the most intense the decay gets.>>723271112Silent Hill wasn't about a single physical location and never was. the story of Silent Hill 1 and all of its elements would still work perfectly if it took place in Germany. Silent Hill 2 would still be a beloved classic if it took place in Arizona instead of Maine.
>>723271058Some of the exterior stuff has that generic UE5 look to it but I could not disagree more about the interiors. I think they perfectly captured the look of Silent Hill 3
>>723271018>comparing RE with SH when one is called Biohazard and the other has the town's name and the first RE wasn't even set in Raccoon CityNobody really minds the game being set near the town as long as there is relation to the town and its gods.
>>723246147I like the idea that it isnt really a 4th wall thing but James just keeps doing this until he gets it "right" with the correct ending.
>>723270702If you felt like it was getting old, why wouldn't you want separate horror games that aren't being forced to piggyback off of an existing IP? 3, 4 and the cursed Western Dev games taking place in the neighboring areas to Silent Hill and having story ties to the town/cult is enough for me. f has so little to do with the IP that to anyone who isn't an advertising executive it would have been crystal clear that it should have just been it's own thing. It's like if the Resident Evil 4 pitches that turned into Haunting Ground and Devil May Cry were still tied to Resident Evil because that's where the foundation they came from was.
it's interesting how hostile James is from the start in the Rebirth ending, and Maria genuinely start freaking out at how insane he sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMEjvuOIpPs
>>723271296>sh3Nope, not even close. The remake actually just looks like the first movie's otherworld.
>>723271365IP is just the name. if it helps them sell and fund more good games, who cares? Like other anon here said, I don't think Silent Hill should even be a franchise at all. Taking it outside of the town is just the next logical step.
>>723271246I mean it literally is about a single physical location and the history, lore, and characters that inhabit or relate to it, SH2 being the exception. But making it so that's it's just the name of any random haunted town with whatever random theme, aesthetic, or influences is probably a better idea for a never ending video game franchise.
>>723271365Consoooom
>>723271296yeah its looks bit too much silent hill 3 other world, but atleast they draped it, thats james thing.
>>723271484I didn't expect to enjoy over the shoulder mod for SH3 this much. It really makes the game scarier
>>723271484How does aiming work with this mod? Is it still autoaim?
>>723247010>>723247637james has been there for two decades the remake is sequel to original, its just another loop.
>>723271482Rebirth James is the most dangerous one, not just because he’s crazy, but also because he knows how to deal with Silent Hill’s bullshit. He looked at the abyss, and the abyss blinked
>>723260119Because he can't drive well?
>>723271725As if the story wasn't enough of a Lost Highway rip off
>>723271838was the guy in lost highway like. executed? or did it have some time loop as well
>>723252985>That's no theory, that's the canon. In Water confirms this.Yea no shit its canon for 1/8th of the endings you nignog, holy shit
>>723271676Yep, still autoaim.
>>723271740Does he even know? it feels like he's just so delusional he read a book and think it will work, the dumbass has more chances to accidentally summon a demon than Mary's spirit
whos behina ll crimson shit in sh1-4 the pills the tome even james saving pages. is it just red god os something else.
>>723271975He doesn't die on screen, the story loops back onto itself in the end, it's finishes on seemingly an endless time loop that Fred is stuck in
>>723271515Going by the first game though, the town was t the important part. It was the order, White Claudia, the Aglaophotis and the Orders God that was the important parts of the story. That it took place in Silent Hill was just somewhere to set the game in. I think so long as a game is answering questions related to those original topics, it can call itself Silent Hill. That’s why ‘f’ was fine because it delved into the origins of White Claudia and the Aglaophotis. We got to see how White Claudia effects a completely different town and the local Gods it allowed people to commune with. A lot of people reduce ‘f’ to just metaphor and try to ignore all the mysticism in the game, but Ryukishi doesn’t play by those rules. The supernatural stuff totally happened in the game. There really was Fox Gods and sacred swords and White Claudia and Aglaophotis and Cedar Trees and Water Dragons. We just got to see what affect the drug had in Japan in the 60’s before it made its way to Silent Hill and caused that Towns downfall too. It’s a completely valid story for the canon of the series.
>>723272451Sure, I mean there's no reason to even call it Silent Hill at that point, if you are saying the actual town and location that the series is named for and built around entirely doesn't matter at all actually so long as there is some sort of tangential connection or similarity of any kind. Other than brand recognition.
>>723272786>Sure, I mean there's no reason to even call it Silent Hill at that point>Other than brand recognition.good enough reason, you gotta sell games. It's better to keep it unrelated entirely than to keep adding unnecessary complexities to the cult story, fucking it up even further, having old characters reappear, creating new town districts we "haven't seen before" (how many more hospitals does this tiny ass town need?)
>>723272437ah yeah. i thought the last closeups of his face where hinting hes on electric chair being executed, horrific to think it causes you to loop. and that blooper pulled one lost high way trope more after these years.
>>723266306The letter in James' possession doesn't exist. The writing on it disappears after Eddie's death and the letter itself completely disappears after James remembers the truth. Mary's true letter was with Laura, who had both a letter addressed to her and another letter she forgets the location of. This is presumably the letter addressed to James.James receives this true letter from Mary or Maria depending on the ending. It is unknown why the fictitious letter starts the exact same way as the true letter but it can easily be explained the same way the letter leaves Laura's possession and finds its way to Maria or a ghostly Mary: Silent Hill bullshit.There could, of course, be a different explanation for it, and it is possible that Laura was bullshitting about there being another letter, but my point is the letter in James' possession from the start of the game doesn't exist and the letter read out at the end is the one given to him by Mary/Maria. The details themselves are unclear.
>>723272451havent played f, but wasnt white claudia always in silent hill? also how does this game ties to the supernatural elements of silent hill? in the sense like, does the town powers "infect" other towns too, or is just that the place in f has always been weird like silent hill? maybe this has been explained in silent hill 4, which i know happens in another place but i haven't played it either
As James looks at Eddie’s dead body, he thinks to himself “why is this not bothering me like it should?”
>>723273896More like>man that piece of shit sure was fucking fat
>>723273896>I wish it was a PAWG and not some fat dude, I'm so fucking hornyWhat did James meant by that?
>>723273967Did Eddie wash his hands after eating all that ice cream?
>>723274119Eddie won't even wash his hands after taking a massive shit.
she's so much cooler then james
luv 'eathersimple as
>>723274623>then Good morning Saar
>>723274575literally me
>>723273787White Claudia is only mentioned in SH1, so we don't really know about its origins. but we can surmise that it isn't native to Japan as it had to be brought over by a member of a cult posing as a Christian missionary.
>>723246147But this doesn't include all the pics, does it?It's as if I arranged the messages at neely's bar to say "James is a nigger"
>>723275663The puzzle isn't actually about stitching together the photos. Someone just did that cause it looks cool.The answer is correct tho.
>>723275663Baldwin really was an old prick, wasn't he?
>>723251583I understand why it's the favorite for many people, but I still don't know if James deserves a happy ending. The man killed his wife and is pretty much on the run. Don't think it's responsible for someone like him to take care of Laura. Unless he confessed to it and turned himself in.
>>723276102That makes more sense, thanks>>723276290Kek, thanks, was too lazy to do it
Man I always interpreted SH2 mostly as James beating himself up, like the idea that he killed Mary from sexual frustration just seemed like retrospective self-loathing. But the remake makes it seem like the harsher interpretations of James work better.
I liked how James looked more and more tired as the game progressed something that wasn't really possible with PS2 graphics.
>>723260806explain?
>>723271347The idea that he's in purgatory just feels right despite any confirmation to the contrary
>>723246734Its gonna be Luke again and it's gonna be kino
>>723277995They could have done it by just swapping out textures over time if they really wanted to.Shadow of the Colossus basically did that.But that level of detail really wasn't necessary.
Its gonna be interesting if they can actually pull off a Silent Hill 1 remake.
>>723279028I don't think it's possible to remake SH1 while remaining faithful to the game. I think they can make a good game out of it but whatever they make is going to be so far divorced from SH1 that it might as well be a different game.
>>723278186There was no letter, just a subconscious manifestation of James's guilt to push him towards Silent Hill so he can confront his trauma head on. The only real letter is the ones Mary gave to Laura.
>>723249436>>723249710>>723250226She was built for being James' personal cum receptical and she never got to fuck him. What a depressing existence desu
>>723279313It's like Darcy the Mail Girl
>>723279028I hope its like the RE1 remake, retains what we had with the OG but also builds on it.
>>723279449Imagine the size of their balls if they actually made it a fixed camera horror game
>>723233841wow, that's so deep, so very deep
>>723234916Because it explores trauma, grief, and euthanasia.
>>723245797He didnt, stillness is him living on until he is ready to die in the water with Mary. I hate how good this ending is and how it fits perfectly.
>>723266663The seething fags are over the Silent Hill F thread so for now this thread is safe until that thread 404’s
>>723268932I just cant take sh4 seriously with all of the burping ghosts in it.
Not something Team Silent came up with = Not Canon
>>723256131I know it's gonna be shit, but it does have the opportunity to do one really interesting thing, and pull a ClueJust film each ending separately, and then different theaters play different versions. It would be a genuine surprise for some people. I also am of the opinion SH2 shouldn't have one canon ending and a movie would mar that. Assuming they don't just do a made-up bullshit original ending like the first one.
>>723276471he suffered a psychotic break. i think he could get a light sentence by reason of temporary insanity. but Silent Hill isn't a legal drama so it doesn't really matter either way.>>723281307that would be cool but i really doubt they have the balls to do it
>>723280948How many members of Team Silent would have to be involved for you to show the game respect
>>723283453about tree fiddy
>>723270751alot of women cum during rapesthe more you know anon
>>723260486>Masahiro Ito : REEE PYRAMID HEAD IS NOT RAPING THOSE MANNEQUINS STOP ASKING ME! PYRAMID HEAD DOESN'T REPRESENT SEXUAL FURSTRATION!>meanwhile also Masahiro Itohttps://youtu.be/E8OctEF4oZ4?si=TaRnyC8jvclpadfw
In Water is the canon ending is what James deserved
