Hi.I'm here to ruin everything.
>>723267890>how do we make a balanced hydra/tiamat?>
this scene was ridiculous
>>723267890Used goods
>>723267890Overrated exclusive class. Actually garbage even if you maximize it.
>>723267890Pretty nice that the re-release has people talking about this game again
Is she literally the worst female character in the game? I know Agrias is the most popular...
>brown>female prude>weakyawn
Did they make Meliadoul's knight skills work like WotL where they can still hit monsters or unequipped humans?
>>723267890Which of the two between her and her brother are better?
>>723267890Her mantras can do some really good damage.
>>723271831He requires low faith for him and his foe to deal max damage, while she just does good damage regardless.
chuddy gamers never recovered from this quote
>>723271816Yes but they do pitiful damage when you don't break shit now
>>723271959fuck you
>>723271981RIP, back to being useless Meliadoul
>>723271685Yes. She is unironically worse than most generics, you cant even send her on bar missions to catch her up, she is actual gutter trash
>>723271959Ahhh
>>723271959
>>723271959In character, at least
>>723272074First thing I mod if tools develop is renaming the skills back and buffing them vs unarmed foes.
>>723267890You mean be completely forgotten.Why was she and her brother even in the game?
>>723272334another brother-sister pair and they do use them to establish that the zodiac stones aren't inherently evil
>>723271959Kys
>>723270358Is there any lore in the game that could explain this? Does Orator allow you to control monsters and make them talk, then allow you to explode them on command?
>>723271959many won't realize this but this line was actually in the game
>>723272541Maybe you can charm someone, then turn them into a frog and give them a tiny bomb
>Folmarv gave Meliadoul and Isilud stones so they could become Lucavi>But they also act like goody two-shoes moralfags, not really the type of power-hungry people needed to become possessed, and Meliadoul is genuinely shocked her dad is essentially a demonGetting conflicting ideas here, was Folmarv not always a total dickhead?
>>723271959Fuck you I hope you die with aida
>>723271959i am coming to your house
Ramza is such an homosexual for not impregnating Rapha.
Ramza is such an homosexual for not impregnating Alma.
Ramza is such an homosexual for not impregnating Delita.
>>723273196When he gave his kids the stones he was already possessed. They were passed around to temple knights who would presumably keep the stones secret, they were also sent into combat and if a fight goes really badly that is one of the triggers to summon a zodiac demon.Other than the kids being convenient potential hosts he doesn't care about them and states as much.
>>723273196Elmdore was supposedly a decent guy but he got possessed after getting no scoped by a random archer.
>>723271959man
Ramza is such an homosexual for not impregnating Ramza.
>>723271959Who's falling for this.(I love my mom though)
Are the two sequels any fun
>>723274228I never figured out a fun way to play them. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist though and there are massively unfun ways to play FFT
>>723274228dunno. the art style and stupid character designs always put me off playing them.
>>723271959screamer do not open
>>723274228Pretty solid handheld games
>>723267890>on the roof>tanks 300 points of unblockable damage in first 2 turns>loses fightth-thanks
>>723271959i knew what it was and i still clicked it like a fool
Is there a way to delevel? Ramza is nearly level 40, and I'm pretty early in chapter 2.
>>723275213I thought it was gonna be that meme line "fines are laws only for the poor"
>>723275267How in the fuck I was about 40 in the endgame
>>723271959powerful
>>723275267yes
>>723271959YOU SPEAK IN NOTHINGS
>>723275345I wanted abilities. So, I would change jobs and spam Tailwind. 10xp adds up fast. >>723275438where and how?
>>723275469Mindflayer's hidden beastmaster moveDegenerator trap tiles like in Zeklaus Desert
>>723271959n
>>723275601Thanks. I think I'll go down to level 25.
>>723267890In theory, can she and her brother do the highest amount of damage in the game assuming you had peak RNG and all hits landed on the same enemy?
>>723275469Well if you wanna grind without leveling just get a unit with low level and wack them with the weakest attacks you have, then keep healing them. You get JP like always but almost no exp
>>723275731Oh, cool. I did not know that. Thank you.
>>723267890>ruinI see what you did there.
>>723267890rate my team>sam/squire>mime1>bard/calc>mime2>dance/white
>>723271959Got me
>>723275713probably not, their skills have a really low base power and each hit is going to be around 250 - 350 average malak will be worse since he specifically requires his target to have low faith, hydra's triple flame/thunder almost certainly beats them from 999 each hit
What are the most interesting monster units to use? Not necessarily the best, but the ones that have weirder abilities
>>723275731>>723275823You get 1 exp if the target is 10 levels below you more specifically. Adding +1 Exp for every level less than 10.
>>723276473Morbols
>>723276473Great Malboros
>>723276513good to know
>>723275690Go down lowerChange the characters to Bard (male) or Dancer (female)If you dont have those, Chemist is a good enough pick
>>723271959I'm compelled to reply to this post.
>>723278929I don't have bard or dancer yet. How low should I go, you think?
>>723280451I know it's not obvious to you now, but you're replying to a schizo.
Saw this linked in another threadhttps://youtu.be/aKtv9_IJlMU?si=7TBXplW2Ed5Xtwu1&t=320It feels like a weird fever dream seeing Mustadio and Hashmal actually talk shit to each other after so many years normalizing that most of the cast has little dialogue past their mandatory story beats
>>723280583Oh... Alrighty then.
>>723271959You're a fucking weasel
>>723271959Weegraff would never say this
>>723276473Behemots for Giga Flare
Gameplay-wise, what exactly is the point of Alicia. Lavian, and Ladd? They're just generics that always have predetermined names, stats, and zodiac signs, but I don't know what they're really meant to "do" per se
>>723281216>he doesn't know
>>723281216Nothing. They gave them a secret purpose in wotl but that's gone.
>>723281216>what exactly is the point of Alicia. Lavian, and Ladd?You kick them out of your party
>>723271959there's not enough FFT rule34. god bless blackrabbits
>>723271959we ain't doin all that now
>>723281216You send them on errands to discover lore and treasure.
>>723280583k, so I just googled and >>723278929 was right about what jobs to use.
>>723271959Fuck off
>>723281216alicia and lavian have more physical attack than most basic females due to having 10+ levels as a knightall three of them have unique dialogue if you examine them
>>723281454That wasn't the point.
>>723271959fuck you wiegraf
>>723281515Then I don't know the point
>>723281592It's ok. Have fun and play how you want.
>>723274228Honestly? The change in art style and the story being less political and more about kids on adventure is the worst part about them. The actual gameplay is a solid 10/10 that is easily as good as Tactics itself.>More classes, segmented by race so you have more controlled combinations but leads to less generic 'best' options>Equipment is varied and more interesting than tactics>Less focus on unique classes, generics are much better>Class skills and mechanics are tons of fun>Boat load of content and battlesIf you can get used to the law system basically adding extra challenge onto your gameplay then the games have a shocking amount of depth and are fun to play. I'd put them on the same tier as Tactics, story aside.
How am I supposed to enjoy all the unique characters with special classes AND the generic jobs with only 4 selectable character slots? It’s brutal. I get the special summoner siblings and have to ignore them. I’m gonna get a robot I have to ignore. At some point I’m gonna have to drop Agrias for the sword saint because I hear he’s busted and cool. I miss FE where you could bring like, a dozen anime girls with you to every mission.
>>723281730Alright.
I love how they gave him more background and dialogue.
>>723267890STOP WALKING HEADFIRST INTO ULTIMA YOU DUMB SHITTER REEEEEEEEEE
>>723282305"Lol" said Rapha."Lmao"
>>723282659If you can't handle her at her worst you don't deserve her at her best.*misses mantra 9 times*
>>723281216>Alicia. LavianI wish I could've said Tynar Rouge...
>>723274228less fun but still good.TA has a story /v/ argues about to this day
>>723274228do you like grinding out powerful units in FFTthe advance games are way more about that and let you do more cool shit than the first game, along with more stuff to actually use all your units for
>>723275267kek what did you do bro, I'm in ch2 and just got ramza to being a ninja at lv19
>>723284023It's not really an argument when one side has been quantifiably proven to be correct
>>723274228What everyone else said, but just know that speed is even more busted in FFTA/2 and their way of presenting challenge is essentially giving free turns to enemies. That said, those are really optional fights. It's a shame, none of the FFT titles manage to be the total best parts of each. When I was a wee lad I loved FFT the most, but old man me thinks Tactics Ogre is straight up the better game... and even it is horribly flawed. Yet they remain the peak of the genre.
>>723274228Tactics Advance 1 I like a TONTactics Advance 2 is weirdly slow but has the most content, main story is stupid on purpose to avoid the controversy of TA1 but side stories are good
>>723284245get back in the wheelchair.
>>723267890I'm so jealous of Barinten
>>723271959Kill yourself
>>723271959.
>>723271959I'll kill your sister again fuck you
>>723267890Look, her adopted father raped her and her brother slapped the shit out of her and ignored it. I think she deserves a little grace.
>>723271516Rafa's backstory is like one of those loli x ugly bastard doujins. Her and her brother orphaned by this tubby bastard from a young age, he takes them in and raises them, molests the shit out of the girl while the boy knows and is powerless to do anything, all the way up to the current day in the game. She doesn't even get revenge, the Grand Duke got killed by demon assassins
>>723280591Yeah I'm kind of torn on the new dialogue. My reactions range from active dislike to "huh, that's kind of neat." I think the Mustadio and Alma exchange was a nice little moment. But on the whole I miss a few scenes from War of the Lions. I think they did their job a lot better.
>>723283072Good. She can leave for all I care.
>recruit a pig and blue dragon in the 3rd fight of the Reis gauntlet in the mines>do donuts around the planet completing errands>all the eggs are just base pigs and more blue dragonsREEEE GIMME A RED DRAGON ALREADY I WANT MUH SPEAR
>>723284796Did you get the gun? It's pretty rare
>>723284209I didn't like thief or archer, so I mastered them so I'd never have to play them again, and then I got teleport on Ramza and 4 generics. Teleport is kinda ass tho.
>>723284710on the other hand the way they just toss him off the roof is pretty hilarious
>>723284873yeah I stole the shit outta that gun
>>723284978YEET
>>723271959kill yourself
>>723284785>But on the whole I miss a few scenes from War of the Lions.For me, it's this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V38sXweVnKY
>>723285120>Magicks
>>723285313what was it originally?
>>723271959end thyself
>>723285581White/Black Magic. And they were called Priests and Wizards instead. That was way cooler if we're being honest.
>>723285701soulless
>>723285701naw fuck that black mage/white mage is a FF staple
>>723275954god bless song/dance spam into full buff/full debuff
>>723281216arent they required for the agrias engineer event?
>>723281512How do you examine them on the PlayStation version? I pressed select and looked at all their stats but there's no quote anywhere.
>>723286590Should be on the name
>>723271959my favorite line in the game.
>>723274228>oh you used a spell or weapon type for this particular battle I just decided is forbidden right now?>ten years in the iso cubes
>>723274228The advanced titles are not sequels and you should play them because they are fun. If you play them to get a continuation of FFT you will be what most of the people who wrote the games off a launch were like. Squenix is so retarded I don't get how they thought they could slap a new world on an old title without the fans revolting over it.
>>723281858Very good post. I'm in agreement. I somehow don't remember A2 quite as fondly, though. Too many bells and whistles, I think.
>>723287746>Squenix is so retarded I don't get how they thought they could slap a new world on an old titleYeah it's not like they had been doing so for every Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest sequel or anything...
>>723288005The difference is most of those games don't give you a sense of massive tonal whiplash with the portrayal of the setting and story. We went from a gritty medieval drama to fucking Chronicles of Narnia.FFTA fans kind of remind me of Chrono Cross fans in that they tend to be people who played those games first and went back to their better-known predecessors long after the fact.
>>723287746They're still set in Ivalice. So is Final Fantasy 12. The major difference is tone. But that's to be expected when you're on GBA, not PlayStation anymore. I played FFT first and got FFTA at launch, with no expectation at all that it would be a direct sequel to the original. Just that it would be another Tactics game.The Advance titles are still fun, like you said.
>>723288553The advance titles are a fantasy version of Ivalice tho too, they aren't the real Ivalice. They are a kids version of it. Kind of the whole premise of the plot.
I can’t tell if Celia and Lettie were people that used to be human before possession or if they were always demons shapeshifting as humans (in which case I’m not sure why they’re unique like that)
>>723288663>it was all just a dream!Another thing it has in common with Chrono Cross, lol.
>>723288663then how is Luso in wotl
i couldn't be arsed to drag out the fight any longer but my autism demands i get 99 of them.
>>723289162Sorry wotl is no longer anything we need concern about since the new release.
>>723289357I like the mental image of these rogue ninjas carting a giant stockpile of these legendary swords but they’re such meatheads that their best strategy is to just chuck them at the enemy
i cant seem to get the super monster battle on balias tor
>>723288467By the time Tactics Advance came out FF had been medieval, it had been sci-fi, it had been steampunk, you had gone to space more than once, and they even released a fucking MMO in the main numbered series. The protagonists all have different personalities, the stories are different, the settings are different, and battle mechanics are different. Square rarely ever makes [Game] 2. In the case of Tactics Advance and Chrono Cross it's not even called [Game] 2.>they tend to be people who played those games firstIrrelevant. I prefer the originals, but the discussion is about whether it's reasonable for Advance and Cross to have different settings and the answer is obviously yes, since that's what Square does every single time.
>>723289357>>723289736
>>723267890Like the Archduke ruined you, perhaps
I want to play FFTA what's the best way? could I just emulate on my phone or what
>>723290638yes. do it. unlike FFT there aren't multiple versions to choose from.
>>723271959No u
I have no idea what to do with Marach now that Dark Knight isnt here
>>723267890I just make her a Treasure Hunter, knock her bravery down a few more notches and she’s got a decent niche
This is the ideal powerleveling strat, you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
>>723292075But why? The stats are redundant. I just powerlevel Ramza only, and that's mostly because I like to see big number.
>>723292383It is redundant, I just wanted to see bigger numbers and level 99 on everyone, that's all. Now deleveling people to 1 and leveling them back to 99 multiple times on specific jobs to fine tune their stat growths, that's where i draw the line. If i ever cared that much i would look for a way to mod perfect stats into the game instead because that's just way too much effort.
>>723292560I'll admit I deleveled Ramza a few times when he reached level 20 since that's the "efficient" way to do it. Or so I'm told. But now I'll probably just make him rotate between mime and ninja for speed and stats. His hp is already fucking ridiculous.
>wiegraf's thunder attack isn't negated by rubber shoesepic
>>723267890Sorry.This thread was actually supposed to be about me.
>>723292679>get the reaction ability mp switch>get mana font>become untouchable
>>723292842>Delita will never get to fuck her again
>>723292679>the Chameleon Robe negates Holy Sword skills>even though Holy Sword skills aren't holy elemental, Wiegraf thinks they are, so he won't use them if you have the Chameleon Robe onYes, this glitch still works in Ivalice Chronicles.All Holy Sword skills are non-elemental unless using an elemental sword, by the way.
>>723293519>draw your sword Ramza>punches
>>723271959Fuck you Weigraf, your sister is DEAD
Doing the Mustadio side quest made me enjoy seeing Ramza's silly side and Mustadio my bro over delita fuck him.
>>723271959>(you)
>>723294002Delita was never your fucking bro in the first place, fuck Delita
>rare battle>bunch of chemists with guns>leader has an electric gun That shit was brutal
>>723271959fuck
>>723271959Classic 4chan maymay
Ivalice is a 3rd world kingdom. Will literally kill you for speaking the truth
>>723293519>all this hyperplanning batman over effort for wiegraf>samurai>doublehand>nice magic you fucking nerd. Check this shit out>hes dead in 2 turnsI worked the entire Riovannes sequence like old leather this time around. I even genuinely considered trying to snatch a Barrette from one of the assassins before killing them but opted against it due to Rapha's suicidal AI
>>723294151>Thief with Shirahidori & Concentrate has entered the chat
>>723271959No
>>723294445That skips the mid-battle dialogue, which is against my religion.
Can you fucking not, game?
>>723270358I mean animals delivering messages then exploding up on delivery is a good way to do it securely in a fantasy setting
>>723295308Man, I remember when I first played this as a kid I'd have to cycle through the auto responses for dismissal to find one where they weren't begging to stay. One dude I kept around and never used to the very end because I spent like 20 cycles trying to get him to say the like one neutral dismissal line and he never did. Simply did not have the heart to let go of such tenacity, even though I did not need that archer.
I forget is the Agrias birthday event in this version or can I just spend money to my heart's content?
So if I wanted to do a replay of Tactics now, should I stick with WotL or play the Remake?
>Doing the cutest females run with Agrias, a White Mage, Geomancer and an Archer>Decide to make Ramza a black mage to fill in the gap>TFW he can equip the Materia Blade+>TFW it gives +4 mage and his 16 power
>>723295597Nope. So no Tynar Rouge either.
>>723270358Anything resembling a mage using familiars/animals to talk isn't that strange is it?
>>723271959You suck.
>>723295787Ah whatever, Agrias is good enough as is with the Bracer and Excalibur
>>723295340>animalsThat was a human with a status effect.
>>723267890Did the shitty remake fix the bug where using her special magic would angle the camera down to default (I like it raised) and require you to press the button twice to fix it? That was kind of annoying
>>723295680do you care about the wotl content that is missing
>>723271516Virgin at heart
>>723295948I enjoyed the bonus content but I don't find it a must have. I was mostly curious about the experience with the new cutscenes and translation vs the WotL cutscenes.
>>723295680wotl has more content, couple more classes, couple more unique charactersremake has voice acting, some new lines (less scenes), like double the roster size
>>723295680>if I wanted to do a replay of Tacticsthe Remake is worth playing. if you've played FFT before and like it enough to replay it, the Remake is worth at least emulating to see what all the fuss is about. >>723296207>I was mostly curious about the experience with the new cutscenes and translation vs the WotL cutscenesExcept for the completely new dialogue, Ivalice Chronicles is 99% the WotL script. You have to bring your special units into certain battles if you want to see the new interactions. I personally find they range from kinda cute to outright bad. I wouldn't base my purchase of it entirely on wanting to see the new dialogue, because it doesn't even go as far as adding new scenes, like WotL did.
>>723272541I always assumed it was a robotic frog based on the explosion sound effect.
>>723267890I don't understand the plot of this game on a literal level. And honestly, I think some of that is from Matsuno retconning things. Like, in the original, I remember the Lucavi referring to each other by their Lucavi names. But in this new version, they always refer to each other by human names. And they keep talking about their human desires and human personality, right up until death. That wasn't in the original. I think I read an interview, where Matsuno felt bad about criticism he got from players, saying they didn't like how the game shifted focus from human enemies to demons. But the end result is nonsense.>Are demons real and distinct, or are they just manifestations of the darkness in human hearts?>Who created the Zodiac stones? I seem to recall them saying the evil seraph created them, but the game also implies they weren't created by or for evil. So which is it?>What do the Lucavi want? Overall, they want to restore their boss, but individually they retain their human desires? Like Weigraf still wants revolution? That's dumb.
The director of the remaster is a purist faggot who intentionally removed content because "its not muh ps1"Fuck these stupid japanese directors who always do this shit and ruin the possibility of a perfect release. Did it with persona, did it with this, did it with the pixel remasters. I hate the japanese.
New to FFT here, is there any reason to use custom party members over named ones like Orlandeau, Agrias etc?
So the Lucavi no longer possess people?In the original and WOTL, the person completely changes when the Lucavi take over. Weigraf is the best example, he goes from rebel to "I wanna kill as many people as I can" when gives in.But in the remaster he keeps his personality and goals, and just turns darker.
>>723275267There's de-level traps in Zeklaus Desert and Fovoham Plains. In fact, abusing them is part of a secret grindy-tech to max out your units stats.It's fucking terrible and I've never done it because it's utterly pointless and takes dozens of hours. But it exists.
