Hi.I'm here to ruin everything.
>>723267890>how do we make a balanced hydra/tiamat?>
this scene was ridiculous
>>723267890Used goods
>>723267890Overrated exclusive class. Actually garbage even if you maximize it.
>>723267890Pretty nice that the re-release has people talking about this game again
Is she literally the worst female character in the game? I know Agrias is the most popular...
>brown>female prude>weakyawn
Did they make Meliadoul's knight skills work like WotL where they can still hit monsters or unequipped humans?
>>723267890Which of the two between her and her brother are better?
>>723267890Her mantras can do some really good damage.
>>723271831He requires low faith for him and his foe to deal max damage, while she just does good damage regardless.
chuddy gamers never recovered from this quote
>>723271816Yes but they do pitiful damage when you don't break shit now
>>723271959fuck you
>>723271981RIP, back to being useless Meliadoul
>>723271685Yes. She is unironically worse than most generics, you cant even send her on bar missions to catch her up, she is actual gutter trash
>>723271959Ahhh
>>723271959
>>723271959In character, at least
>>723272074First thing I mod if tools develop is renaming the skills back and buffing them vs unarmed foes.
>>723267890You mean be completely forgotten.Why was she and her brother even in the game?
>>723272334another brother-sister pair and they do use them to establish that the zodiac stones aren't inherently evil
>>723271959Kys
>>723270358Is there any lore in the game that could explain this? Does Orator allow you to control monsters and make them talk, then allow you to explode them on command?
>>723271959many won't realize this but this line was actually in the game
>>723272541Maybe you can charm someone, then turn them into a frog and give them a tiny bomb
>Folmarv gave Meliadoul and Isilud stones so they could become Lucavi>But they also act like goody two-shoes moralfags, not really the type of power-hungry people needed to become possessed, and Meliadoul is genuinely shocked her dad is essentially a demonGetting conflicting ideas here, was Folmarv not always a total dickhead?
>>723271959Fuck you I hope you die with aida
>>723271959i am coming to your house
Ramza is such an homosexual for not impregnating Rapha.
Ramza is such an homosexual for not impregnating Alma.
Ramza is such an homosexual for not impregnating Delita.
>>723273196When he gave his kids the stones he was already possessed. They were passed around to temple knights who would presumably keep the stones secret, they were also sent into combat and if a fight goes really badly that is one of the triggers to summon a zodiac demon.Other than the kids being convenient potential hosts he doesn't care about them and states as much.
>>723273196Elmdore was supposedly a decent guy but he got possessed after getting no scoped by a random archer.
>>723271959man
Ramza is such an homosexual for not impregnating Ramza.
>>723271959Who's falling for this.(I love my mom though)
Are the two sequels any fun
>>723274228I never figured out a fun way to play them. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist though and there are massively unfun ways to play FFT
>>723274228dunno. the art style and stupid character designs always put me off playing them.
>>723271959screamer do not open
>>723274228Pretty solid handheld games
>>723267890>on the roof>tanks 300 points of unblockable damage in first 2 turns>loses fightth-thanks
>>723271959i knew what it was and i still clicked it like a fool
Is there a way to delevel? Ramza is nearly level 40, and I'm pretty early in chapter 2.
>>723275213I thought it was gonna be that meme line "fines are laws only for the poor"
>>723275267How in the fuck I was about 40 in the endgame
>>723271959powerful
>>723275267yes
>>723271959YOU SPEAK IN NOTHINGS
>>723275345I wanted abilities. So, I would change jobs and spam Tailwind. 10xp adds up fast. >>723275438where and how?
>>723275469Mindflayer's hidden beastmaster moveDegenerator trap tiles like in Zeklaus Desert
>>723271959n
>>723275601Thanks. I think I'll go down to level 25.
>>723267890In theory, can she and her brother do the highest amount of damage in the game assuming you had peak RNG and all hits landed on the same enemy?
>>723275469Well if you wanna grind without leveling just get a unit with low level and wack them with the weakest attacks you have, then keep healing them. You get JP like always but almost no exp
>>723275731Oh, cool. I did not know that. Thank you.
>>723267890>ruinI see what you did there.
>>723267890rate my team>sam/squire>mime1>bard/calc>mime2>dance/white
>>723271959Got me
>>723275713probably not, their skills have a really low base power and each hit is going to be around 250 - 350 average malak will be worse since he specifically requires his target to have low faith, hydra's triple flame/thunder almost certainly beats them from 999 each hit
What are the most interesting monster units to use? Not necessarily the best, but the ones that have weirder abilities
>>723275731>>723275823You get 1 exp if the target is 10 levels below you more specifically. Adding +1 Exp for every level less than 10.
>>723276473Morbols
>>723276473Great Malboros
>>723276513good to know
>>723275690Go down lowerChange the characters to Bard (male) or Dancer (female)If you dont have those, Chemist is a good enough pick
>>723271959I'm compelled to reply to this post.
>>723278929I don't have bard or dancer yet. How low should I go, you think?
>>723280451I know it's not obvious to you now, but you're replying to a schizo.
Saw this linked in another threadhttps://youtu.be/aKtv9_IJlMU?si=7TBXplW2Ed5Xtwu1&t=320It feels like a weird fever dream seeing Mustadio and Hashmal actually talk shit to each other after so many years normalizing that most of the cast has little dialogue past their mandatory story beats
>>723280583Oh... Alrighty then.
>>723271959You're a fucking weasel
>>723271959Weegraff would never say this
>>723276473Behemots for Giga Flare
Gameplay-wise, what exactly is the point of Alicia. Lavian, and Ladd? They're just generics that always have predetermined names, stats, and zodiac signs, but I don't know what they're really meant to "do" per se
>>723281216>he doesn't know
>>723281216Nothing. They gave them a secret purpose in wotl but that's gone.
>>723281216>what exactly is the point of Alicia. Lavian, and Ladd?You kick them out of your party
>>723271959there's not enough FFT rule34. god bless blackrabbits
>>723271959we ain't doin all that now
>>723281216You send them on errands to discover lore and treasure.
>>723280583k, so I just googled and >>723278929 was right about what jobs to use.
>>723271959Fuck off
>>723281216alicia and lavian have more physical attack than most basic females due to having 10+ levels as a knightall three of them have unique dialogue if you examine them
>>723281454That wasn't the point.
>>723271959fuck you wiegraf
>>723281515Then I don't know the point
>>723281592It's ok. Have fun and play how you want.
>>723274228Honestly? The change in art style and the story being less political and more about kids on adventure is the worst part about them. The actual gameplay is a solid 10/10 that is easily as good as Tactics itself.>More classes, segmented by race so you have more controlled combinations but leads to less generic 'best' options>Equipment is varied and more interesting than tactics>Less focus on unique classes, generics are much better>Class skills and mechanics are tons of fun>Boat load of content and battlesIf you can get used to the law system basically adding extra challenge onto your gameplay then the games have a shocking amount of depth and are fun to play. I'd put them on the same tier as Tactics, story aside.
How am I supposed to enjoy all the unique characters with special classes AND the generic jobs with only 4 selectable character slots? It’s brutal. I get the special summoner siblings and have to ignore them. I’m gonna get a robot I have to ignore. At some point I’m gonna have to drop Agrias for the sword saint because I hear he’s busted and cool. I miss FE where you could bring like, a dozen anime girls with you to every mission.
>>723281730Alright.
I love how they gave him more background and dialogue.
>>723267890STOP WALKING HEADFIRST INTO ULTIMA YOU DUMB SHITTER REEEEEEEEEE
>>723282305"Lol" said Rapha."Lmao"
>>723282659If you can't handle her at her worst you don't deserve her at her best.*misses mantra 9 times*
>>723281216>Alicia. LavianI wish I could've said Tynar Rouge...
>>723274228less fun but still good.TA has a story /v/ argues about to this day
>>723274228do you like grinding out powerful units in FFTthe advance games are way more about that and let you do more cool shit than the first game, along with more stuff to actually use all your units for
>>723275267kek what did you do bro, I'm in ch2 and just got ramza to being a ninja at lv19
>>723284023It's not really an argument when one side has been quantifiably proven to be correct
>>723274228What everyone else said, but just know that speed is even more busted in FFTA/2 and their way of presenting challenge is essentially giving free turns to enemies. That said, those are really optional fights. It's a shame, none of the FFT titles manage to be the total best parts of each. When I was a wee lad I loved FFT the most, but old man me thinks Tactics Ogre is straight up the better game... and even it is horribly flawed. Yet they remain the peak of the genre.
>>723274228Tactics Advance 1 I like a TONTactics Advance 2 is weirdly slow but has the most content, main story is stupid on purpose to avoid the controversy of TA1 but side stories are good
>>723284245get back in the wheelchair.
>>723267890I'm so jealous of Barinten
>>723271959Kill yourself
>>723271959.
>>723271959I'll kill your sister again fuck you
>>723267890Look, her adopted father raped her and her brother slapped the shit out of her and ignored it. I think she deserves a little grace.
>>723271516Rafa's backstory is like one of those loli x ugly bastard doujins. Her and her brother orphaned by this tubby bastard from a young age, he takes them in and raises them, molests the shit out of the girl while the boy knows and is powerless to do anything, all the way up to the current day in the game. She doesn't even get revenge, the Grand Duke got killed by demon assassins
>>723280591Yeah I'm kind of torn on the new dialogue. My reactions range from active dislike to "huh, that's kind of neat." I think the Mustadio and Alma exchange was a nice little moment. But on the whole I miss a few scenes from War of the Lions. I think they did their job a lot better.
>>723283072Good. She can leave for all I care.
>recruit a pig and blue dragon in the 3rd fight of the Reis gauntlet in the mines>do donuts around the planet completing errands>all the eggs are just base pigs and more blue dragonsREEEE GIMME A RED DRAGON ALREADY I WANT MUH SPEAR
>>723284796Did you get the gun? It's pretty rare
>>723284209I didn't like thief or archer, so I mastered them so I'd never have to play them again, and then I got teleport on Ramza and 4 generics. Teleport is kinda ass tho.
>>723284710on the other hand the way they just toss him off the roof is pretty hilarious
>>723284873yeah I stole the shit outta that gun
>>723284978YEET
>>723271959kill yourself
>>723284785>But on the whole I miss a few scenes from War of the Lions.For me, it's this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V38sXweVnKY
>>723285120>Magicks
>>723285313what was it originally?
>>723271959end thyself
>>723285581White/Black Magic. And they were called Priests and Wizards instead. That was way cooler if we're being honest.
>>723285701soulless
>>723285701naw fuck that black mage/white mage is a FF staple
>>723275954god bless song/dance spam into full buff/full debuff
>>723281216arent they required for the agrias engineer event?
>>723281512How do you examine them on the PlayStation version? I pressed select and looked at all their stats but there's no quote anywhere.
>>723286590Should be on the name
>>723271959my favorite line in the game.
>>723274228>oh you used a spell or weapon type for this particular battle I just decided is forbidden right now?>ten years in the iso cubes
>>723274228The advanced titles are not sequels and you should play them because they are fun. If you play them to get a continuation of FFT you will be what most of the people who wrote the games off a launch were like. Squenix is so retarded I don't get how they thought they could slap a new world on an old title without the fans revolting over it.
>>723281858Very good post. I'm in agreement. I somehow don't remember A2 quite as fondly, though. Too many bells and whistles, I think.
>>723287746>Squenix is so retarded I don't get how they thought they could slap a new world on an old titleYeah it's not like they had been doing so for every Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest sequel or anything...
>>723288005The difference is most of those games don't give you a sense of massive tonal whiplash with the portrayal of the setting and story. We went from a gritty medieval drama to fucking Chronicles of Narnia.FFTA fans kind of remind me of Chrono Cross fans in that they tend to be people who played those games first and went back to their better-known predecessors long after the fact.
>>723287746They're still set in Ivalice. So is Final Fantasy 12. The major difference is tone. But that's to be expected when you're on GBA, not PlayStation anymore. I played FFT first and got FFTA at launch, with no expectation at all that it would be a direct sequel to the original. Just that it would be another Tactics game.The Advance titles are still fun, like you said.
>>723288553The advance titles are a fantasy version of Ivalice tho too, they aren't the real Ivalice. They are a kids version of it. Kind of the whole premise of the plot.
I can’t tell if Celia and Lettie were people that used to be human before possession or if they were always demons shapeshifting as humans (in which case I’m not sure why they’re unique like that)
>>723288663>it was all just a dream!Another thing it has in common with Chrono Cross, lol.
>>723288663then how is Luso in wotl
i couldn't be arsed to drag out the fight any longer but my autism demands i get 99 of them.
>>723289162Sorry wotl is no longer anything we need concern about since the new release.
>>723289357I like the mental image of these rogue ninjas carting a giant stockpile of these legendary swords but they’re such meatheads that their best strategy is to just chuck them at the enemy
i cant seem to get the super monster battle on balias tor
>>723288467By the time Tactics Advance came out FF had been medieval, it had been sci-fi, it had been steampunk, you had gone to space more than once, and they even released a fucking MMO in the main numbered series. The protagonists all have different personalities, the stories are different, the settings are different, and battle mechanics are different. Square rarely ever makes [Game] 2. In the case of Tactics Advance and Chrono Cross it's not even called [Game] 2.>they tend to be people who played those games firstIrrelevant. I prefer the originals, but the discussion is about whether it's reasonable for Advance and Cross to have different settings and the answer is obviously yes, since that's what Square does every single time.
>>723289357>>723289736
>>723267890Like the Archduke ruined you, perhaps
I want to play FFTA what's the best way? could I just emulate on my phone or what
>>723290638yes. do it. unlike FFT there aren't multiple versions to choose from.
>>723271959No u
I have no idea what to do with Marach now that Dark Knight isnt here
>>723267890I just make her a Treasure Hunter, knock her bravery down a few more notches and she’s got a decent niche
This is the ideal powerleveling strat, you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
>>723292075But why? The stats are redundant. I just powerlevel Ramza only, and that's mostly because I like to see big number.
>>723292383It is redundant, I just wanted to see bigger numbers and level 99 on everyone, that's all. Now deleveling people to 1 and leveling them back to 99 multiple times on specific jobs to fine tune their stat growths, that's where i draw the line. If i ever cared that much i would look for a way to mod perfect stats into the game instead because that's just way too much effort.
>>723292560I'll admit I deleveled Ramza a few times when he reached level 20 since that's the "efficient" way to do it. Or so I'm told. But now I'll probably just make him rotate between mime and ninja for speed and stats. His hp is already fucking ridiculous.
>wiegraf's thunder attack isn't negated by rubber shoesepic
>>723267890Sorry.This thread was actually supposed to be about me.
>>723292679>get the reaction ability mp switch>get mana font>become untouchable
>>723292842>Delita will never get to fuck her again
>>723292679>the Chameleon Robe negates Holy Sword skills>even though Holy Sword skills aren't holy elemental, Wiegraf thinks they are, so he won't use them if you have the Chameleon Robe onYes, this glitch still works in Ivalice Chronicles.All Holy Sword skills are non-elemental unless using an elemental sword, by the way.
>>723293519>draw your sword Ramza>punches
>>723271959Fuck you Weigraf, your sister is DEAD
Doing the Mustadio side quest made me enjoy seeing Ramza's silly side and Mustadio my bro over delita fuck him.
>>723271959>(you)
>>723294002Delita was never your fucking bro in the first place, fuck Delita
>rare battle>bunch of chemists with guns>leader has an electric gun That shit was brutal
>>723271959fuck
>>723271959Classic 4chan maymay
Ivalice is a 3rd world kingdom. Will literally kill you for speaking the truth
>>723293519>all this hyperplanning batman over effort for wiegraf>samurai>doublehand>nice magic you fucking nerd. Check this shit out>hes dead in 2 turnsI worked the entire Riovannes sequence like old leather this time around. I even genuinely considered trying to snatch a Barrette from one of the assassins before killing them but opted against it due to Rapha's suicidal AI
>>723294151>Thief with Shirahidori & Concentrate has entered the chat
>>723271959No
>>723294445That skips the mid-battle dialogue, which is against my religion.
Can you fucking not, game?
>>723270358I mean animals delivering messages then exploding up on delivery is a good way to do it securely in a fantasy setting
>>723295308Man, I remember when I first played this as a kid I'd have to cycle through the auto responses for dismissal to find one where they weren't begging to stay. One dude I kept around and never used to the very end because I spent like 20 cycles trying to get him to say the like one neutral dismissal line and he never did. Simply did not have the heart to let go of such tenacity, even though I did not need that archer.
I forget is the Agrias birthday event in this version or can I just spend money to my heart's content?
So if I wanted to do a replay of Tactics now, should I stick with WotL or play the Remake?
>Doing the cutest females run with Agrias, a White Mage, Geomancer and an Archer>Decide to make Ramza a black mage to fill in the gap>TFW he can equip the Materia Blade+>TFW it gives +4 mage and his 16 power
>>723295597Nope. So no Tynar Rouge either.
>>723270358Anything resembling a mage using familiars/animals to talk isn't that strange is it?
>>723271959You suck.
>>723295787Ah whatever, Agrias is good enough as is with the Bracer and Excalibur
>>723295340>animalsThat was a human with a status effect.
>>723267890Did the shitty remake fix the bug where using her special magic would angle the camera down to default (I like it raised) and require you to press the button twice to fix it? That was kind of annoying
>>723295680do you care about the wotl content that is missing
>>723271516Virgin at heart
>>723295948I enjoyed the bonus content but I don't find it a must have. I was mostly curious about the experience with the new cutscenes and translation vs the WotL cutscenes.
>>723295680wotl has more content, couple more classes, couple more unique charactersremake has voice acting, some new lines (less scenes), like double the roster size
>>723295680>if I wanted to do a replay of Tacticsthe Remake is worth playing. if you've played FFT before and like it enough to replay it, the Remake is worth at least emulating to see what all the fuss is about. >>723296207>I was mostly curious about the experience with the new cutscenes and translation vs the WotL cutscenesExcept for the completely new dialogue, Ivalice Chronicles is 99% the WotL script. You have to bring your special units into certain battles if you want to see the new interactions. I personally find they range from kinda cute to outright bad. I wouldn't base my purchase of it entirely on wanting to see the new dialogue, because it doesn't even go as far as adding new scenes, like WotL did.
>>723272541I always assumed it was a robotic frog based on the explosion sound effect.
>>723267890I don't understand the plot of this game on a literal level. And honestly, I think some of that is from Matsuno retconning things. Like, in the original, I remember the Lucavi referring to each other by their Lucavi names. But in this new version, they always refer to each other by human names. And they keep talking about their human desires and human personality, right up until death. That wasn't in the original. I think I read an interview, where Matsuno felt bad about criticism he got from players, saying they didn't like how the game shifted focus from human enemies to demons. But the end result is nonsense.>Are demons real and distinct, or are they just manifestations of the darkness in human hearts?>Who created the Zodiac stones? I seem to recall them saying the evil seraph created them, but the game also implies they weren't created by or for evil. So which is it?>What do the Lucavi want? Overall, they want to restore their boss, but individually they retain their human desires? Like Weigraf still wants revolution? That's dumb.
The director of the remaster is a purist faggot who intentionally removed content because "its not muh ps1"Fuck these stupid japanese directors who always do this shit and ruin the possibility of a perfect release. Did it with persona, did it with this, did it with the pixel remasters. I hate the japanese.
New to FFT here, is there any reason to use custom party members over named ones like Orlandeau, Agrias etc?
So the Lucavi no longer possess people?In the original and WOTL, the person completely changes when the Lucavi take over. Weigraf is the best example, he goes from rebel to "I wanna kill as many people as I can" when gives in.But in the remaster he keeps his personality and goals, and just turns darker.
>>723275267There's de-level traps in Zeklaus Desert and Fovoham Plains. In fact, abusing them is part of a secret grindy-tech to max out your units stats.It's fucking terrible and I've never done it because it's utterly pointless and takes dozens of hours. But it exists.
>>723296642If you like the squire skillset and the sprite changes on job change, yesYou can also send them out on missions, which you can't do with the special members
>>723296692Retarded revisionismCreators should be banned from editing their own work after release
>>723296642only if you don't care about the named character's unique job skills. generics are also easier to train up JP wise because they can do errands
>>723271959Jokes on you I want my mom to die
>>723296573>Weigraf still wants revolutionThat sounds better than PSX. What's the point of creating these interesting characters then going "lol now he's a generic demon"? Makes Ramza's dialogue retarded too since he's still criticizing Wiegraf's decisions and goals but Wiegraf isn't in there anymore. So he's basically telling a Lucavi "I can't believe you sold out to the Lucavi, how sad!"
>>723271959RAMZA FOR FUCK'S SAKE, DRAW YOUR FUCKING SWORD
>>723296642every time i play this game i tell myself this time it's gonna be different and i'll use genericsand then by the end my team is nothing but special characters
>>723296971I liked the Lucavi being legitimately otherworldly and demonic.
>>723296971Dycedarg as well. They're no longer possessed by demons and instead just giving in to their darkest desires.
>>723297132I'm finding it hard to get the motivation to do that this run, I just got Cid and his bum ass doesn't know shit so now I need to do a training montage with him because I can't even send him on errands.
>>723296971>Makes Ramza's dialogue retarded too since he's still criticizing Wiegraf's decisions and goals but Wiegraf isn't in there anymore. So he's basically telling a Lucavi "I can't believe you sold out to the Lucavi, how sad!"It's relevant, he chose to embrace the power. Personally I think Wiegraf is still in there though, just completely corrupted to the Lucavi's endsIt's fucking weird if the actual story plays out exactly the same but the motivations of the Lucavi characters change
>>723297132I don't think I've ever played FFT using the special characters, I'm always too invested in my chapter 1 generics to bother building up new charactersMaybe one day I'll do a special character only run to see the new dialog
>>723296573>>723296692I think the core idea of the Lucavi is intact, but there's definitely more of a focus on the people underneath and what they've allowed their desire for power to twist them into. It's not as if Wiegraf-as-Velius still wants the People's Revolution that Corpse Brigade Wiegraf wanted. He's talking about the kind the takes the form of slaughtering everyone and turning the world upside down. But you need that original lust for power there in order for the Lucavi to have something to grab onto.
>>723297246in the case of Wiegraf it would make sense for him to see his revolution through via the church, perhaps naively thinking the church wouldn't just replace the noble class he seeks to topple. but personally I do think it better for the lucavi to be twisted forms of the person they inhabit rather than just going >ooga booga I kill all da humans
Ramza isn't a hero. There are no heroes in war. He's just a man who's good at what he does: Killing.
>>723297337Weigraf Velius' new motivation is basically Louis from Metaphor's goal. He wants to turn everyone into a Lucavi and those who can handle the power get to rise to the top.So he's still possessed, but now it's done in a way where he thinks he's still following his human goal.
>>723297353>but personally I do think it better for the lucavi to be twisted forms of the person they inhabit rather than just goingI can understand seeing it that wayI liked the tragedy of the characters embracing power to fulfil their goals, only for the Lucavi to corrupt them so much that they no longer gave a shitI didn't like that the political story got sidelined for the Lucavi stuff but I don't think changing a little bit of dialogue fixes itWhat FFT really needed was a Delita mode in addition to the Ramza mode
>>723296642>farming job quests (if you wanna 100% FFT, you need this)>filling roles that named units might not fill instantly (heal/buff/long range melee/magic), sure you COULD grind units like Rafa into great mages, but if you already have one it might be pointless unless you like her character/sprite.
>>723297508>I didn't like that the political story got sidelined for the Lucavi stuffComplete opposite for me. I loved that. I don't want another dime-a-dozen "MAN IS THE REAL MONSTER" crap. The Lucavi were legitimately scary in the original.
>>723297508Delita mode would be cool problem is that it seems like the bulk of his story is background scheming and spying while playing the role of a commander in the war, so justifying fights for every story event would be tough unless they just make all of his encounters random skirmishes of little importance
>>723297582>"MAN IS THE REAL MONSTERthats still the case in FFT though
>>723297508>What FFT really needed was a Delita mode in addition to the Ramza modeKind of disagree there, not telling everything is part of the charm of FFT. That's why people keep discussing it up to this day. Even before the remake, every once in a while we someone ends up making a DRAW YOUR SWORD thread, and it usually ends up on either people dumping pics of their favorite girl, actual game discussion, sometimes both.
I want the Delita/Ovelia missions from WOTL back.
>>723297582My problem with the Lucavi in the original is they were genuinely scary and evil, but it also made the church seem at most generous comically incompetent and really deserving of being dismantled. You cannot come back from accidentally worshiping Satan Bloodharvest and his band of horrors. At least now I can give them like 5% leeway because the Lucavi are more ethereal and corrupting instead of totally usurping the person.
>>723297582>I don't want another dime-a-dozen "MAN IS THE REAL MONSTER" crap.It wasn't dime a dozen when it came out. And ss "evil monsters trying to unseal their evil JRPG god" any less dime a dozen?It's just weird that it starts out heavy on the political angle and then veers into "lol demons"They could have intertwined the two things a bit better, explored the Lucavi's motivations more. I really like the Lucavi stuff I just don't like the way it was integratedIt's still pretty much my favorite game, the plot just needed work
>>723297846>You cannot come back from accidentally worshiping Satan Bloodharvest and his band of horrorsit's not even an accident, the scriptures totally expose the church as a bunch of fraudsters who are also too stupid to destroy the evidence that proves as much
>>723297716how about Rendezvous missions with more content and 5 player co-op
>>723297971FFT but every unit is controlled by a different player would be cool. game is already kind of balanced around just booming everything before you need too much support so it's not like everyone could be these giga buffed god slayers while one person gets stuck on healing duty
>>723298074>stuck on healing dutyHow dare you, healing is a noble art
>>723271959bastard
>>723297971That War of the Visions FFT clone slop had 3 player co-op that wasn't so bad. Agrias was fun even there.
>>723275954>reddit squad>cheese in every crevice>soulless
am I retarded? I do fine most battles but then some battles I just get shit on. how do I stop battles like wiegraf and cuchulainn from being completely unbalanced where the only way I win is when I get lucky and the game decides not to assrape me with OP skills long enough to let me kill the boss? like what's the actual "strategy" here to beat them reliably and cleanly every time that I'm missing?
>>723298243Auto-potion
>>723297915>>723297846Saint Ajora did nothing wrong.
>>723298214>War of the VisionsOh so that's where they got the idea for the stupid new UI from
>>723298243the answer is always more damage. however if you don't know how to make units that do gorillions of damage, self sustaining stuff like Auto-potion the other anon mentioned is pretty good. Summoner and Golem also helps in staying alive, but only against SOME physical threats, golem for whatever reason doesn't seem to block some monster attacks.
>>723298273You now realize that the Wiegraf fight intentionally gimps auto-potion by giving you a high potion as a reward for the previous battle. So when Ramza inevitably gets hit first in the subsequent battle, he only heals for 70 with auto-potion.
I guess I might as well share some of my nsfw Agrias slop while there's a FFT thread uphttps://files.catbox.moe/4405bq.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/jgd8me.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/zj9bnm.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/zfmg9q.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/8vx2ez.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/l2lvi6.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/y409ze.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/klovwp.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/wfvps3.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/pfalsc.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/j7k6oz.png
>>723298394Oh is that where I got that high potion? How much does Wiegraf hit on tactician? He did 114 to me on normal, so not eating an X potion there was basically entirely negligible
>>723298394KEK
>>723298450delete this.lady agrias would never have sex. she is too pure for that.
the old man training arc begins, white mage is only there to beef up his brave via speechcraft once his brave is 90+ she's getting benched so the thunder god here can quickly solo every encounter
>>723298450delete this
>>723298394Those old Japanese men truly harbored hatred in the hearts, I'm a bit in awe.
>>723298509She's either married or plans to get married, according to Matsuno.
>>723298243every lucavi boss has some status effect gimmick attackthe accessory for that is sold a couple battles before it happens
>>723298450based
>aislop every threadgood morning sir
>>723298748>Alma gets cucked by Agriasknights always win baby
>>723271959Beoulvesissies, your response?
>>723272104There are excessive guides on how she can be turned into a good unit. Requires a lot of work, same goes for her brother. Their concepts are fine, the implementation of game mechanics is what destroys their class. Iirc there are mods tweaking their class and suddenly they are ultra strong.
>>723298604Right. Generate nsfw slop with Geo-chan instead
>>723298748Oh no no Agriasisters. Sounds like Gafgalion was right about us.
>>723297508>I didn't like that the political story got sidelined for the Lucavi stuffI go back and forth on this. FFT has to be a video game, and since it has "Final Fantasy" in the title, they couldn't really avoid killing God on a ruined airship by the end. I don't think it crowds out the political intrigue, though, and you can see Delita using Ramza to solve his "Lucavi disposal problem," and then Ramza getting neatly pigeonholed as a heretic, as reinforcing the game's major theme about true heroism being a largely thankless task. Delita's arc is pretty much finished anyway by the time Folmarv's plot takes focus. Sure, the Lucavi stick out like sore thumbs in an otherwise grounded War of the Roses type of plot (in a magical, post-airship society, granted), but I think if the Wiegraf fight ended without a Velius or something similar in phase 2, it would have felt anticlimactic. Sort of like the duel at the end of a Western. Is it realistic? No, they needed to punctuate those moments with something genre-appropriate. Plus, the game needs its instances of "here's what various flavors of evil people who want power do when they actually get it." I think that's something that people who only play the first chapter will miss about Wiegraf's character arc.
>>723271959>Doesn't say tonightDumb idiot retard. You fool. I want all of my relatives to pass peacefully in their sleep. Except my stupid bitch aunt I want her to die in a way that is humiliating.
Done with the game. Gonna play it again after awhile
>>723298748
>>723299214>full academy curriculumJesus fuck that was just the tutorial?
Good thing -ja spells can be passed on, so you can save some time mastering jobs.
>>723299248
>>723299248This is weird, aren't female soldiers and knights completely normal in FFT?
>>723299248Is there no age in remake? I remember it was pretty funny how in WotL you could finish the game with ~60 y/o Ramza if you spend a lot of time grinding stuff. Don't remember it was a thing in PS1 version
>>723299472>Don't remember it was a thing in PS1 versionIt was
I wish women like agrias would exist in real life
>>723299586For people like Agrias and Ramza to exist, honor would have to have any value in our reality.Alas.
>>723299463the logic of the game's feudal system doesn't really mesh well with its comparatively egalitarian approach to its military systems and combat.
>>723299265Speaking of tutorial, only there I learned that night battles reduce hit rate of bows. And there are rainy and dry seasons depending on the zodiac cycle. I played this game for so many times.
>>723299463It can be assumed to only apply to... very specific noble houses.Because if you then also look at Rafa and Meliadoul, it still doesn't hold. So basically they just bullshitted some drama sprinkles.
>>723299837I have no problem believing in female soldiers in a world where magic is real. The game itself even makes women physically weaker and more suited towards wizardly. That said, all the outright female knights running around is kind of dumb.
>>723300000what a fucking wastechecked nonetheless
>>723292842I bullied her. Sexually.
>>723298450Mayhap you forget yourself, SER.
>>723299463it is inconsistent. Alma curses not being born a male, as if that stops her from being a strong combatant but it could be the case of the Beoulves focusing solely on the men as knights, with the Oaks following the same structure. But then you have Milleuda, Meliadoul, Zalmor's first fight fields female monks and so on. I think it's them wanting the traditional medieval setting with specific gender roles, but also wanting men and women units for the sake of mechanical and visual variety in the gameplay.
>>723300303Well, she kind of is.
>>723300312I guess they couldn't really use Rafa's whole "it's okay because she's an assassin but also a mage so she kills people but with magic" for every single woman they wanted in the party.
>>723300414
>>723300426Rafa and Malak being """assassins""" will never not be funny.>magic is not only extremely flashy but EXTREMELY LOUD>also it's randomWhat the fuck kind of assassins are they
>>723271959Your sister was hot.
>(FFT)Cloud is just an auracite stone playing a game of cosplay pretendNaniWas this actually confirmed in the previous versions? It's been so long.
>>723297473>He wants to turn everyone into a Lucavi and those who can handle the power get to rise to the topI had to go look this up. I remembered that Cletienne in the battle where you kill him says something about mass-producing and distributing the stones. I didn't remember Velius saying anything about it, because it turns out it's hidden in a dialogue with Agrias. wtf. why would they even bother trying to implement such a half-baked motivation into the story at all, if it only gets mentioned in 2 lines of dialogue and one of them is missable? all I can think of is>And when everyone's Lucavi...!>...No one will be.
>>723300723That's not what that means. Improve your reading comprehension.
>>723300723No, in the original the assumption was Cloud ended up in FFT after falling into the life stream
>>723300312Alma's curse is an in-the-heat-of-the-moment kind of complaint. She's coming to terms with her half-brothers being absolute monsters and seeing that Ramza's been out there trying to make things right and thinks she can't meaningfully contribute like he can. I don't take it as some kind of complaint about gender roles so much as simple frustration at feeling helpless
>>723271959Draw your sword
>>723300723It means he's a copy, a duplicate created by the stones. And the dialogue/plot point is added for this. Probably to justify why Cloud doesn't bring any info back and doesn't get a convenient warp out by the end of any questline or stuff.
>>723301029Are you pretending to be retarded?
>>723300981To force you to use the unique characters to get the dialogues so that you can feel like oh my god so much has been added and the characters are now totally relevant (even though they never show up in any actual cutscene)That is the Squeenix way. Half ass it.
>>723300723no way. if anything, I assumed FFT Cloud was literally FF7 Cloud teleported through the magic of fanservice. or this. >>723301048>Besrudio: A device for teleportation across dimensions - across the very fabric of time and space.>Ramza: Cloud...There are people waiting for you back in your world, am I not right? With the power of another Stone, we may be able to return you there.the "copy" dialogue is a retcon.
>>723301252I guess it's a fair enough retcon when it makes little overall sense to any form of continuity. It's the whole thing of "did you teleport, or did the device just copypaste you and killed the other one?" sorta situation.
>>723299934That's cool. There are so many unique things in this game. I wonder if it would be too niche to have a job whose abilities depended on the weather. There's already one whose abilities depend on the terrain.
>>723301753I am sure that was the initial idea for Astrologist before they have it to Orran and decided to go the>fuck it, it just kills everyoneway.
>>723301839I don’t know if it’s intentional maybe the idea was to have Orran parallel Orlandu >Orlandu is OP because he can use a wide variety of powerful skills>Orran is OP because he has a single skill that’s ludicrously strong
Orran is supposed to be an aura farmer with a broken skill? His skill literally didn't affect a single enemy in my run and I had to bumrush to save him.
>>723302216Whichever may be, really makes you wonder how did they manage to burn him alive when he can literally slow reality around him and shatter people's brains.Guess they got to him at a bad day for his horoscope or whatever.
>>723298748Wait, Agrias is still in Ramza's group?
>>723301068>I don't take it as some kind of complaint about gender roles so much as simple frustration at feeling helplessWhich is completely retarded if you think about that for more than a nanosecond, since if gender roles weren't relevant to the situation, why would she bring up being a man as something that would enable her to enact change?
>>723302523I always figured that had to be the case, otherwise she'd try to go back to Ovelia and find she was gutted like a fish by Delita.
>>723302269>>723302325reminder that orran wrote the story. he purposefully made he and his father OP
>>723301252They should've added the plot ghosts from Remake in the final battle just to carry Cloud away any time you try to use him.
>>723301190If the bastards would've kept the WOTL content in then it would've felt more natural since the PSP port actually added in new cutscenes.
>>723302663Ovelia survived Delita's stabbing. Matsuno confirmed this on twitter.
>>723302523Damn, Ramza actually took care of his party long after the war. I always figured they all split up after the war.
>>723302869>Matsuno confirmed this on twitter.This guy seems to love changing his mind and retconning shit, so I don't consider his "confirmations" to be of much valueI also remember in the announcement he talked about Ramza tirelessly fighting for the underprivileged or some shit, which is patently false
>>723302903Didn't it parallel the real story of the zodiac braves? Germonique and his friends defeated altima then assumed different identities after the battle.ramza and his friends "die" and start a new life while hiding the stones
>>723303232That's why I figured they split up. Each get new identities and live their own lives. I just never thought their new lives would be together. Som Ramza and Mustadio are still bros. Makes me smile.
>>723294445In my first run in the PSX, I entered that map as the team's support time mage. Died in one turn.Had to check for twenty minutes what I could use to survive that duel.
>>723303480>In my first run in the PSX, I entered that map as the team's support time mage. Died in one turn.in mine ramza was a LV60 monk with 100 brave who punched him to death in an instantthe Finath River fight with the chocobos was a nightmare tho, had to reset until there there was only one LV60 red chocobo to murder me
>>723303013>fighting for the underprivlegedIt might have been "fighting for justice" actually, but that's still not really accurateRamza is a good dude who rejects hypocrisy and stands for what's right, but most of the story didn't really involve fighting for justice
>>723303013Yeah I don't care for tiny details added retrospectively even if they are by the author. A completed work is a completed work.
I do not know how I beat this game as a kid. I damn sure didn't understand most of the mechanics. I guess I just grinded? I know in Chapter 4 I just had Cid kill everything. Wish I still had my old memory card and game so I could see my save file.
>>723303836It's honestly not that hard. You can roll Knights and Mages and Item and be fine.
>>723303013I doubt he'd do for long even if he wanted to. The game even makes a point about revolutionaries and others who seek to fight for the underprivileged not being completely in the right and causing problems of their own. Ramza fought against literal biblical evils while he was unable to do much against human evils like corruption.
>>723303836The game is easier than what people like to lead on. Only random battles scale with you so if you were as autistic as me with grinding and learning new skills, you became overpowered for the story battles.t. had to restart the whole game on Wiegraf and was so worried it would happen again, I would play it too safe and grinded random battles. I never even realized people would have problem with the rooftop fight until I got internet
>>723303013>I also remember in the announcement he talked about Ramza tirelessly fighting for the underprivileged or some shit, which is patently falseYeah, Ramza just didn't want Ovelia to get murdered, and by trying to save her he stumbled into a demonic plot.
>>723304079The rooftop fight is just basically RNG with any properly leveled party. Sometimes you just get fucked over without getting a chance to move. Other times Rafa survives and you kill Elmdore in like 2 attacks
>>723275713supposedly theres a way to manipulate the attack so it hits the same spot all the time. it requires you and the enemy to position so the empty tiles of the attack are not legal targets whether by it being too high/low altitude or it not being a walkable space or something. that way, the attack can only random into the only legal tile for each hit. or you can just get a monk with dual wield and save yourself that fucking headache.
>>723299463There's a lot of difference between letting your women fight because you just spent fifty years at war and you're suddenly in the middle of another, and having an egalitarian view of the matter.
>>723302269It's supposed to be thematic. Astronomy is literally magical in Ivalice, but he's not a soldier. He has no fighting skill, and will die to a man with a gun if he isn't stopped.
>>723276198Triple Flame shits on everything in the game you can’t compare anything to that it’s just not fair
>we want the Berserk audience
>>723271959Everyone seeing my post doesn't have to reply to him. All curses are cleansed.
>>723304476To be fair, everyone dies to a gun in this game. Even mechanically, just a dude sent to chat you down with a gun sitting on a porch snipes the shit out of devils and demons and trained knights with ease.Realistic, mind you.
>>723302747>and then and then... and then my dad showed up!! and he was the coolest and the bestest and had this amazing sword that was better than everyone's and he beat YOUR DAD in a single hit and everyone was like WOW CID IS SO COOL WE CAN'T JUST NOT HAVE HIM IN OUR PARTY>anyway then there was this time where I got ambushed and Ramza tried to help me but I was like "lol fag" and then I blasted erryone with my mad haxx0r skeelz>then I didn't join them though, 2cool4them, so Delita assigned me my own full time blonde bimbo GF which I banged EVERY DAY
>>723303013I don't know, it doesn't seem like it's beyond measure that Delita would not randomly kill his trophy wife leading to yet another scandal that would drive his kingdom upside-down.He's a soldier, and he actually """loved""" her. He can take a stab and knock out an untrained weak girl easily, why would he go through so much only for a last minute moment of>aie you stabbed me die bitch!!Feels as out of character to assume he would do that, as the whole they-were-ghosts-all-along thing people came up with with Orran and Balmafula by the end.
I think, Delita sucks
>>723305534Doesn't matter either way, we already know that whatever change he seems to bring to Ivalician society doesn't stick and by the time of Vagrant Story both the church and the nobles are back to being absolute garbage so lel and so forth.
So if I want to see the maximum amount of new dialogue I should use Agrias, Mustadio, Cid, and Meliadoul or however the fuck you spell her name? The two brownies don't get new dialogue?
>>723305319Your reasoning isn't wrong, but Matsuno is weird and presents things a certain way in the game only to walk them back later. For instance, I think it's heavily suggested that Balmafula is mute in the final cutscene. Plus with the various other changes that have been made, I just don't trust his word on the matter. He seems like one of those creators who changes his mind a lot.I'm not saying Ovelia definitely died though, I just think it's much better left ambiguous.
>>723305319Honestly in world where Curaja exists wounds like those shouldn't even be considered wounds.
>>723305875I understand that overclarification of things is usually not great. But, I do think it's one of those things that just "seemed" that way but was never intended to be. I never took it that way, primarily because the sound that plays when Delita knocks her out is similar to when other units get knocked out without dying. He'd have to purposely shank the bitch in the heart for her to instantly die otherwise, which would again feel rather off-character. I never gave much thought to Balmafula beyond her just being sort of there, perhaps because she felt like cut content given her unique model yet no relevance whatsoever. I can however see in that instance her having had her tongue cut by all means, mind you. Would have been a neat detail. But she always just felt... unfinished.
>>723288467I played FFTA and 2 first and went back to FFT and the story is better, especially 2 is really bad in comparison while A1 is still kinda good though more lighthearted. The gameplay in comparison is absolute dogshit though. Even with all the quality of life shit from the remaster, the game just plays like shit in comparison. The game FFT was based on is still the best.
>>723305917>WHY DIDN'T THEY USE A PHOENIX DOWN ON TETRA/TETA/TIETRANo, but yeah, I agree. Specially since in this particular FF, they do use magic as part of the storyline.
>>723305175>Nice argument Goltanna, however in my story I have depicted you as the fat loser nobleman and me as the Chad
>>723288467I played CT first and I think CC is a vastly, vastly superior game.Then again I also think they basically have nothing to do with each other save for taking place in the same universe and attempts to compare them to one another are retarded when they don't even share artstyle.
>>723271959WIEGRAAAAAAAAAAF!!!
>>723306128Tietras body exploded into a million pieces when she protected delita
>>723306605Nah, Delita says she swam carrying him all the way to the shore and died from exhaustion. Because the bitch was swole apparently.
>>723306648>where do you work out?>at the Akademy
>>723267890Can't be worse than Catiua>does nothing but bitch and moan at the wimpy MC>cannot be controlled in combat>cannot change equipment>blocks your movement>face rushes into the enemies despite being a healer>gets bodied>refuses to eloborate>leavesI actually ragequit TORB because of her.
>>723306648>>723306668>tanks an arrow to the chest>survives an explosion capable of levelling a building point-blank>manages to swim in ice-cold waters carrying older male brother in full set of armour to the shore Let's be frank, she had to die. Imagine her turning into a Lucavi.
one thing that wasn't fully explained why worker 8 uses a specific auracite to move
Mustadio seems kinda shit in fights (I'm autistic and keeping him as Machinist instead of going with some generic broken setup)
>>723273196He planned on placing them in hopeless situations that would give rise to desperate desire. The stones are basically all Behelits.
>>723306908Mustadio and his dad really wished Worker 8 would function again.So the auracite did what they asked.
>>723306964Don't use story characters. Only use Ramza and the rest of the team being generics
>>723307001That's retarded since the only reason to play this version of the game is to get the new dialogues which only trigger with the uniques.
>>723307039I'm not playing it and I'm not interested in the voice acting. I only played the OG FFT on playstation and emulator.Stop using story characters.
>>723307101Retard.
>>723306990I guess this is the easiest explanation.
>>723307101xD your stupid af dude........ XD
>>723307140Says the guy who is forcing himself to use the story characters
>>723271959DRAW YOUR SWORD, MOTHER FUCKER
>>723271959Sfg
What are your meme builds?
>>723302869How awkward do you think the conversation with the royal chirurgeons was after that? Like hehe just a lover's quarrel think nothing of it and stitch these stab wounds up.
>>723309078It was those damn Goblin assassins
FFT and its Ivalice are standalone in my mind and my headcanon is that Ovelia and Delita BOTH die at the end.
>>723309195Anon the start of the game outright says Delita's rule was a golden age
>>723309239He simply enacted all those great changes before him and Ovelia killed each other.
>>723271959Total Wiegraf Death
Am I missing some stuff or is Delita's story very convenient in general?>randomly gets recruited by the super powerful clandestine church faction that secretly controls everything despite being a literally who>Goltanna believes him completely over one of his confidants despite, again, being a literally who, and no one cares that he executed him in the middle of Goltanna's court
>>723267890what nortubel character is this
>>723309485>Am I missing some stuffyou apparently missed the fact that Final Fantasy Tactics is a JRPG
>>723309628>sustaining yourself with the burgers of the land of IvaliceAh yes, a natural way to live
>>723309485My thoughts were that he was very result oriented so everyone came to value him very fast.
>>723271959Fuck you you got me
>>723309485That part kind of beggared belief yeah, i just assumed the church smoothed things over for him behind the scenes since he was gonna be their plant in goltanna's side. Like the prisoner with their testimony was probably a church actor, just like later on you see another church lackey offering himself as a body double for orlandeau's corpse.There's definitely a lot of stuff you're supposed to just infer i guess. Like we never actually find out if he really was a member of the blackram knights, or that was all just a cover story and he picked a company that was conveniently all dead so no one could contradict his account.
>>723271959stfu Wiegraf
>>723309485>Kills a noble openly based off nothing but the testimony of a random prisoner>immediately becomes the Duke’s right hand manUnironically don’t think about it too hard because yes it’s extremely contrived lmao
>>723309485it's why TO: LUCT's story is a lot better
>>723310059I also love TO's story, but man it hurts that we're never getting more entries in that world. LUCT left so many tantalizing plot threads open for a Lodis game (I know about Knight of Lodis but I mean one after LUCT).
>>723309981He has chad energy that made them all believe him. Plus he came back with Ovelia.
Terrible unique class. Great chemist, though.
>>723267890Last time I made ramza a dual wield monk, and used agrias, a black/time mage, a white mage with elemental guns and a samurai/dragoon. What are some cool builds to play in case I get the remake (no, I'm not using cid nor calculator, late game is easy enough as it is) ?.
i set the difficulty to squire so i can draw out every story battle stress free and see all the dialogue :)
>>723310312Rapha and Malak can be good if you pay attention to elevation and monster elemental weaknesses it’s really just a matter of the game already being broken in half by the time you get them so “potentially doing more damage” doesn’t really matter
>>723288663FFTA happens in the super far future of FFT. Mewt overlays a fake Ivalice on the real one.FFTA2 takes place at least 10 years after FFT since Mewt is heavily implied to be the librarian. Luso is then time displaced to a few years after FFXII and the game ends with him going back home.
>>723310312But doesn't chemist have awful stat growths that make any character who levels as one shit?
>>723271959i want to kill wiegraf
>>723310748great news: just keep playing
>>723310059LUCT is solid but the routes end up suffering because he has to try to make everything tie into chapter 4.
>>723295112If you kill him that fast, the game plays through that dialouge before switching to the second phase.
>>723310821Yeah, it would've been great if the game had a unique chapter 4 for every route as well instead of what we got. When I replay nowadays I only do Law as a result
>>723310880That's good to know. In the second Wiegraf fight I retried lke 20 times to get the dialogue because I could only either a) nuke him immediately or b) game over.
>>723271959Kek
>>723309981ultimately it's that delita is playing his own JRPG where things just work out for the protagonist. I remember specifically not buying the Goltanna cutscene even the first time I played it though
>>723311042that's why you play on squire, it makes the game so fire B)haha yeah i slid in a little rhyme, i'm sure that's not a crime~
>>723310913I dislike what the remakes did to the route balance. They threw most of the new content on Law and then poached Arycelle from Chaos.
>>723311042I think the first phase is the only time in the game that does that. Every other fight is like you said. Its weird but the devs really wanted you to hear it.
>>723310564Stat growths don’t matter in the scope of a normal playthrough
>>723271959IT'S OVAH!
>>723305853Cloud and Beowulf get unique dialogue too
>>723271959YOU MOCK US! YOU'RE IN NO POSITION TO BARGAIN!
Just 5 units isn't enough. Should fluctuate from 5 to 8 depending on the map.
BAGGED
