How goes your Steel Soul run, anon? You are doing it properly, right? You're not quitting anytime you get to 1 HP, right?
>>723385786no, im quitting every time i get to 2 HP
All done. Died to Lost Lace once before succeeding, 20 hours down the drain
>>723385786Lost my first Steel Soul run to an optional mask shard platforming section in Shellwood yesterday. My fault for going for it with Beast crest, and also for not coward-quitting the moment I reached 1 mask like anybody else would have.
>>723385972fpbp
>>723385786>managed to reach Act 3>grabbed most available upgrades beforehand>made it through the first void gauntlet with forced Hunter crest>reach Bell Eater>get down to my ant mask>"Heh, If I take one more hit I can safely quit out.">get hit, ant mask breaks>before I can pause, I get double-tapped by an anus bomb hitting me right out of invulnerabilityI only have myself to blame.
>>723387085I know that one, this and the flea challenge right at the entrance are the toughest part of Shellwood if you don't know what you're doing.For the mask it's best to stock up on silk beforehand, then when you grab the mask immediatly dash left before the two exploding bugs appear. Then with your silk and Silkspear you simply snipe the remaining two and you're free.
>>723386483How many attempts?
I'm putting the game down. After nearly 300 hours. The strange part is I'm still shit. I never got good. Overall its top 3 best games I've ever played. The art design is so excellent and strong that other aspects often appear lackluster. I hope the DLC moves in the direction of lore and exploration over combat and sweaty hands. There are other ways to provoke the player than mechanical difficulty, and they know how to do this. The biggest disappointment was the lore, and perhaps the writing in general. They had a few good ideas, but none of them felt developed. The Weavers' almost space age technology, the surface town, the mechanics of the haunting, the existence of robots, soul extraction... a good writer would've woven these ideas into the thematic currents of the world and each aspect would've reinforced the others. Instead Pharloom feels like a set of grounded, logical levels mixed in with gamey arcade levels. I will wait for the randomizer mod to come out. The Unravelled was the only boss in the game that made me scream.
>first playthrough>got First Sinner on the third try>got the High Halls gauntlet on the first try>got Trobbio on the first try>got Lace 2 on the fourth try>got GMS on the second try>got Crawfather on the first try>got Tormented Trobbio on the second tryI think I got gud.
>>723387462Volt tool turns that fight into a joke. Just volt its ass and focus on dodging the butt bombs. Didn't even have to heal.
>>723389570Cool, cool, but did you get the lava savage fly under 3 tries?
>>723390113No, because of the flying fire Hitlers. I needed 6 tries till it dawned on me how to kill them fast.The first Beastfly took me 10+ tries, same with the Last Judge, Sister Splinter took 15+ attempts and Unravelled can go fuck itself with ±30.
I've been playing the game almost every day since release night. I'm coming up on 80 hours, and I'm in act 3. Haven't beaten any of the 4 big bosses yet, still exploring around.How slow am I going?
>>723391329The flying adds in the second Beastfly fight are cancers, particularly when there's two that shows up at once, I have no idea how to reliably get out of the shitcan when it happens besides spamming Thread Storm and hoping the big dude doesn't object
>>723388384around 70 save and quits
>>723392927Hollow victory
>>723392005>besides spamming Thread StormThat and clawline are supposed to be how you beat it. There's a reason it doesn't pop up until after you've already beaten the Dancers and visited Songclave, because at that point you have two ways to get the clawline before you start backtracking for extra secrets in older areas. Beastfly2 is supposed to be a boss you do on the way to or from getting the heart piece in the lava escape room.
pretty slow, im at 40 hours with only the final boss left and the completion tool says im at 80% completion without using a guide
ez refund
>>723385972Cowards live longer, they always say
>>723395204Cope.
>>723397870Yeah I guess I don't use Clawline enough, I'm always worried that ranged enemies will start their attack when I throw the needle and I'll connect point-blank
>>723385786>You are doing it properly, right?I am beating Steel Soul as the devs intended. :^)
>>723390041best bit is both ends are separate hitboxes so when they spawn close you can hit them with the same threadstorm to absolutely melt the boss
FUCK SETH, this is the worst boss in the game, who the fuck designed this shitHURR LET ME TELEPORT RANDOMLY ANYWHERE, HURR LET ME BLOCK EVERYTHINGFUCK SETH HE DESERVES POISON TACKS AND COGFLIES
Bros where is the last spool fragment?
>>723398965under the elevator in whiteward
>>723399127I've definitely got that one I always look under elevators if i can
>>723385786oh so that's how you guys do it
>>723398965? This is a non-linear game. My first spool could be your last. Retard.
>>723399362Just tell me a fucking spool you remeber you fucking cunt and i'll go and search the area. Holy shit and you go about calling others retards.
>>723385786Died to bell beast lmaoI hadn't played for 2 weeks since so it was my fault. Replaying the game and getting speed achievements before trying again - playing fast but controlled, dying is a massive waste of time anyway
>>723399505Kek ok. How about the above Bone Bottom.
>>723399920Thank you! I take it back you're not a retarded cunt
>next patch will let you keep plasmium overdrive when you fast travellmao stop making your games easier for shitters
>>723385786I'm glad, you asked
I love being right. This game was forgotten just as fast as Tunic, and for exactly the same reasonSOULSLOP, OH ZANZIBART LEND ME YOUR IFRAMES
>>723400804I can't believe it was that one. You're still a bit of a retard to be honest man. But who isn't these days.
>>723385786Been thinking about trying the 5 hour speedrun achievement and normal steel soul in one go. Should I go for some upgrades or just rush to the finish line with the one nail upgrage you get for free? I never did a speedrun before.
>>723403246Just get the free one and the one from the Vaults, you don't really need it but there's plenty of time to get it
>>723403246Yeah, go for it if you have a good grasp on Cogwork Dancers, Widow and Last Judge / Phantom.
>>723403246Practise bosses via debug first. Especially Trobbio.
>>723404112I'm more likely to be filtered by the high halls gauntlet than those bosses, especially without mask upgrades.
>>723404205Is there a mod to practice bosses?
>>723404278Really depends on what tools you grab. There's also that SS-exclusive blue tool that gives you additional red tool uses, that was handy for spamming that gauntlet down.
last judge or phantom?
>>723404278>>723404538*yellow tool, it was yellow.
>>723395204hollow knight
>People are actually wasting time on Metroidvania
>>723404620Last phantom
>>723404620Both S tier, but Phantom's approach, appearance in a column of steam, and song all put her ontop. She's too cool, moreso before her sister is a cringelord.
>>723404358Yeah, a few. Download the new debug from nexus.
>>723404358Just manually copy saves.
>>723403246If you're on Steel Soul then you'll have tons of time since you will by definition not be wasting a bunch of time retrying bosses, which means you'll have a couple hours to farm upgrades. Retrying bosses on minimal upgrades is the biggest timewaster for cheevo attempts.
>>723404620If you're the speedrun guy, Phantom. Much faster route not just to get to her, but also up through the Citadel in act 2.
>>723404620>Last Judge route+ Easier to reach (since you only have to go through Blasted Steps)+ Pinstress is near so you can grab charged attack (need to fight the Conchflies but they're easy enough)+ Craftmetal on your way- Only options once reaching the Citadel are Underworks (the long way round) or climbing the balances, and it still all the way opposite to Songclave- Need to reach Songclave to get the Whiteward key to actually access the part of Underworks with the Clawline>Phantom route+ Directly starts near Clawline and the Bellway station / Songclave path+ Unlock Bilewater while you're at it- Route is harder and takes longer- If you're on SS mode the Mist is very risky as an areaBasically, it depends on how fast you want to get Clawline. Phantom is also way easier than Last Judge as a fight
>>723385786Is "doing it properly" meaning to install that mod that doesn't delete the save file?
>>723405315>Phantom is also way easier than Last Judge as a fightI wouldn't say easier, but Last Judge takes longer due to being really bulky for that part of the game.
>>723405979Last Judge can fuck you up by choosing to jump on you several times in a row when you're running away, and he can attack from offscreen.Whenever Phantom jumps (so about every ten seconds), you get a free space to heal
Is it possible to just stand your ground and parry these guys? They have 3 attacks: a two-hit combo, a big swing, and one where they jump on you. But the windup pose for the latter two seems to be exactly the same.And yes, I know they're piss easy if you just pogo them to death.
Lost lace is such a trash fight. You can even see what's going on because of the projectile spam, she teleports into you and the hitboxes are trash. And it's another rehash.
>>723406964She doesn't teleport into you
>>723406867Learning to deflect regular enemies with multiple attacks is a waste of brain power when you can deal with them in countless other ways. The only regular enemies I bothered to deflect were these fuckers and the gigachad ants.
>>723406964you may not believe this, but It was you who ran into her.
Lost Lace keeps parrying all my witch heals lol what a bitch
>>723406964I'm sorry but according to the official /v/ tier list it appears you are a cock-sucking faggot.
Two things I never discovered that I've learned about since- apparently there's a way to get from Greymoor to the silkeater guy in Sinner's Road? How do you do it, I always went the long way.Also apparently you can get from Sinner's to Bilewater? I always went the long fall way from the zone with the record player guy. How do you do that?
>>723407147She literally pops out of the ground?
>>723407147>>723407408>AKSHUALLY, SHE DOESN'T TELEPORT INTO YOU>BUT SHE WILL TELEPORT AS YOU'RE DODGING ALL THE RANDOM SHITS SHE'S THROWING>AND SHE WILL TELEPORT INTO SAID SHITS TOOshit boss, shittier last boss, reused bossgfto with your even shittier comments
>>723407672position properly is hard, I know
>>723392927You didn't beat Steel Soul. You didn't beat the game. You accomplished nothing. You fucking loser.
>>723407672>>723407854I never quite had this problem. I didn't panic dodge, I didn't think there was soooo much stuff to dodge, I just spaced away from her calmly and she'd appear under my feet.It's bad design.I play the bosses nice and slowly with lots of space, one hit at a time. It's why I one shot Seth.
>>723407501Replace groal.png with a map of bilewater and bump it to Amazing
>>723407564>>723407672She won't teleport on top of you, maybe in extremely rare circumstances, I've beat her enough times, you're just running into her
>>723408047>fat, sweaty, unemployed slob who does nothing but play this shitty game all day every day posts his no life sweatlord webm as an "argument"
>>723407501I start to believe the people who appreciate Karmelitta do so because she has so much HP and on top of the random blocks she does, the fight takes long enough so people actually see her moveset. I've seen max upgraded beast and wanderer speedrunners that melt bosses before they dish out 3 attacks. Of course in cases like these, bosses will feel like they are bad.
>>723408132I don't have that much time in it, if you're going to make something up and then say I'm shit when I say you're wrong then yes I will provide proof against it, where's your proof exactly
>>723408047>posts tool assisted run
>>723408305>almost 90 hoursKEK YOU FUCKING LOSER
>>723408305I kneel. Skill is so high that other anons instantly seethe.
>>723407501>pinstress in good>shakra and raging conchfly in badshit list
>>723408047nicely done. get back the fuck off, the other anon
>>723392005I beat the second beastfly by going back to the entry of the area every time adds are summoned, this despawns them and you can get a couple of hits on the boss. Very slow method, but effective.
Weird I didn't hear anyone else about the pursuer tier grab on lost lace. Literally pulls you in from behind her.
>>723385786What's Steel Soul? I play all my games with cheats on, so I get to have fun and explore without worrying about having to waste time restarting.
>>723408867>so embarrassed he had to reply to himself
>>723408886>I cheatedYou didn't beat shit.
>>723409094Only dumb children think games are fun without risk and challenge.
>>723408047Man does flinstone really do that much damage? she entered the 4th fase where she does that 3 white circle slashes in 9 hits, 4 with flintstone. Pretty calm and pro fight. Maybe my problem with with fight is that I need to play calmer. I'm always spazzing around, dashing everywhere and and using the clawline which leaves you in the air with limited movility.
>>723409094>I don't play gamesYou definitely belong here.
>>723407559To get to Styx from Greymoor, you just bounce off balloon until you find the secret entrance, there's no secret wall or anything. IIRC it's the big room to the right of the bell in Greymoor.The entrance to Bilewater from Sinner's Road is through the vertical room before Styx's room, there's a secret breakable wall next to a corpse
>>723409206Someone said they changed it so it's based off of Nail damage so with the Hunter buff and Barbed Bracelet it probably does a lot now, I don't know how it works exactly or how it worked before if it was even changed. Just react to her attacks, there's no point trying to attack her first because she teleports away anyways so you won't get to wail on her
>>723409192>>723409286Don't worry, you'll grow up and understand one day... hopefully.
>>723385786I'll wait for the Godhome DLC.On my last run (where I went for the sub 5 hour achievement) I got filtered by Last Judge again for some goddamn reason and the HH gauntlet took a lot of tries as well. I cleared both on my first try in the run *before* that one. I'm just too inconsistent still.But honestly Steel Soul just sucks as a challenge. You can't just have a go at it and retry over and over because then you'd only practice the early game and never the late game. I'd really prefer if it worked like doing a 1CC run in an arcade game where you're allowed to continue after dying but your run doesn't count anymore. Just make it so that the UI goes back to normal (maybe include a horrifying cutscene or some shit) and let the game continue.
>>723409094Honestly, this obnoxious game comes close to deserving it.
Honestly phase 1 and 2 of lace isn't too bad. It's all the shit that's on the screen in phase 3 that kills me. She hides inside her own attacks, and since there's all kinds of waterfalls and shit on the foreground blocking the view I literally can't see where she is and what she's doing. I get that they were going for the whole void aesthetic but they making everything the same color was a mistake here.
>>723409791White Palace would've certainly made me quit if I hadn't used cheats.
>>723409806I found phase 3 much easier because she stops parrying.
>>723409709If you want to practice SS, simply make a regular run and use it to practice bosses and gauntlets until you're confident you can beat them first try.
>>723410109For me it's the opposite, 1 and 2 I can do hitless pretty consistently.
I wish Sinner got VOIDed in Act 3That'd be CRAZY
>>723409806Disable screen shake in the options menu if you haven't already. All that chaotic screen shaking in the second phase of lost lace unironically throws me off. I do a lot better without it.
I just beat the final pantheon for the first time. Once I stopped focusing on DPSing AbsRad and actually focused on avoiding all damage no matter what, it got easier.
>>723391329>Unravelled>30lmao
>>723410842What not the 15 Sister Splinter attempts, at least with the Unravelled you can fight him at varied strength
>>723411005Yeah dying at all to sister splinter is crazy, maybe if you can't deal with her adds that well. Though I will admit I did lose a steel soul to her just because I was going for cheeky hits during her triple hit attack and misjudged how much bigger the hitbox is than the animation twice in a row
>>723407945The achievement popped, so you can eat ass
>>723411948splinter on release could be way easier or way harder out of RNG with how much it wanted to spam adds
>>723385786I beat Steel Soul the way the devs intended.
Hornet? More like Horny LOL!
>>723413686The trick is to save all your silk and just use it to Silkspear every add
I wouldn't mind a Steel Soul/Heart of HK, but TC's change in design philosophy for SS is so hostile to the player that it sounds like a miserable challenge. The game just throws way too much bullshit at you and it takes so fucking long for you to be strong, even if you rush upgrades and tools.
>>723413990Using 4 silk on removing the 1 enemy too many instead of taking 4 damage and using 9 to heal is the answer to every arena fight in the game and yet people still can't seem to figure out how to beat the High Halls Forum without ragequitting
>>723407501how do you fight dr. xylotl? he's just laying on the floor in my game
>>723414551Not him, his assistant. Act 3. Not needed to upgrade the plasmium, completely optional.
>>723414628where is he?
>>723416113Same room as his corpse was before.
>>723413990>save all your silk and just use it to Silkspear every add*Thread Storm
I DID ITI FUCKING BEAT GMS WHILE CURSEDi know there are harder things that I've already done and are waiting for me but this was the thing that was troubling me the most right now and I'm glad it's over withToo bad about Witch crest's bind. I rather like everything else about it, except for that.
How bad am I at the original HK?>about 50 hours to get the first ending>some 30 more to to do all the extra stuff like White Palace, the dream bosses and all the Zote levels>about 200 more hours to do the Pantheons with every binding (not simultaneously)
>100% speedrun cheevoNot even gonna botther. I can understand speerun achievements (Muramasa had fun ones when combined with 1 hp), but this shit's retarded.
>>723416967I don't know, like top 5%?
>>723416967The fact that you beat pantheon 5 by itself makes you in the top 5% and doing them with all bindings, even if not simultaneously, probably makes it closer to top 1%.
>>723417484It doesn't actually take that long when you know what you're doing. You can easily do it within less than half the required time.
>>723397954HORNETBROS NOT LIKE THIS
>>723419796Top 1% for P5 with bindings one at a time? Really? Even I have that and I don't feel like I'm truly good at the game. I think the true top 1% is P5 all bindings.
>>723416708fighting lost lace with witches crest was pure suffering i ended up just counting to myself and healing when she phase transitions
>>723397954>this mindbroke /v/
>>723422228That would be top 0.1%
Bell eater, Pintress and Raging Conchfly are the only reason why I haven't started a steel soul run yet, they are the only bosses that I had trouble on my second playthrough
how do I get to the marked location?
>>723423135Not being retarded, mostly. I got there the first time I got to that area, without any upgrades.
>>723407501I've never understand why people like first sinner that much, it isn't terrible but at least for me was more forgettable than Widow.Also why Tormented Trobbio and Last Judge so low?
What am I in for?
>>723423256Either a fun but short endgame or the most miserable experience.You'll also start to hate the fleas
>>723423135Theres a precise combination of sprintjump to clawline to doublejump, performed on the final raised stone ground.
>>723423212maybe don't lie>>723423379thanks
>Give animal bugs sentience or just create sentient life out of thin air.>"All of you are my beloved daughters and I love you forever.">"We're not actually le real divinity? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"What the fuck was wrong with Weavers and Lace?
>>723410109Same. Her parry and accidentally running into her when she repositions fucked me over the most, whereas the new moves in the subsequent phases are easily dodged and give plenty of time to get free hits in.
>>723423256The same as what you asked yesterday.
> these were the people calling me a fromshitter yesterday
>>723425452The fuck is that first red tool supposed to be, it doesn't look like any of the normal icons.
>>723425637That's empty flea brew.You can throw the empty bottle as a weapon
>>723425898The fuck
>>723425989>After using the last charge of Flea Brew, using the tool again causes Hornet to throw the empty bottle. This deals a small amount of damage and breaks the bottle, requiring Hornet to spend 10 shards to repair it at a bench, or nothing if the Flea Brew is refilled at the Flea Caravan.
>>723423234> I've never understand why people like first sinner that much> first sinnerBravo, Team Cherry! Bravo!
>>723426198These little details are dangerously based, no doubt, but large parts of me can't help but wish they'd instead spent this time of making better quests.
how accurate?
>>723426634YDNBTG-tierLike half the shit in F and D tier are top tier if you know what they do.
>>723385786I'm just waiting for dlc while playing other metroidvanias.
>>723426774Well, I guess that's just par the course for reddit then. This was created based on community votes lol.
>>723426634>>723426634>Volt Filament>Shell Satchel>Quick SlingBeing low is nuts.Only thing I completely agree with is dice being the best tool in the game because it has no competition as the only yellow tool to actually be useful in combat.I need to tinker with scuttlebrace
>>723426634>weavelight>volt filament>the literal spell build tools>F tierlol. lmao.>quick sling>literally doubles all tools thrown>D tierLOL LMAO>polip pouch>it deals 1 damage per second over 12 seconds and does not stack, gets refreshed on reapplication>when spells hit 120+ per cast>S tierFUCKING LOL
>>723426634Memory crystal is based
>SS run>Climb Mount Fay, no problem>Fall in the icy water and die on my way downAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>723426634it's complete shitconchcutter is dramatically better to longpinlongpin's terriblewreath of purity has literally no use in the game, it's only purpose is one boss fight that's made enormously easier by going IN the maggotsdruid's eye is great, flea brew can never be anything but S tier, same for silkspeed anklets
>>723427189Oh. Shit, fuck, and here I thought I was clever using Cogwork Wheel with Pollip Pouch. I'm gonna have to take that off. I love Cogwork Wheel.
>>723385786Badly, last ones ended far too early so I took another break, as I clearly wasn't in the mood.
>>723426634>Snitch Pick F-tierUSE THE FUCKING CLAWLINE YOU RETARDS
>>723427189quick sling isn't very good, all it lets you do is throw your tools faster, you're still limited to the same total number per rest which is generally much more relevant than how fast you can throw them.
>>723389297>The Unravelled was the only boss in the game that made me scream.For me it was Savage Beastfly 2 and Broodmother. Unravelled is critically weak to poison tacks and the floor sawblade
>>723398204>always worried that ranged enemies will start their attack when I throw the needle and I'll connect point-blankYou should be. That killed me 3 times during High Halls because the bell thrower threw the bell right into my face as I was Clawlining at him. Despite this expected misfortune of mine, I still believe Clawline is THE thing to fuck up flying enemies and the rapid horizontal movement is a lifesaver in any and all gauntlets especially High Halls
>>723428359Unravelled was a cakewalk once I realized the Snare Setter is literally the most damage dealing tool of all of them. Pissed me off I couldn't use it in act 3.
>>723426634This is my experience
>>723398731I hated him too until I exhausted all my shards using (and failing) at Architect. I had a sudden brain blast, something somehow clicked, so I fought him with Hunter and removed all tools except>magnetic dice>longclaw (vesticrest)>weavelight>sawblade skirt>plasmium>cross stitchAnd nothing else. Here's my observations:You need Cross Stitch to keep up with him. You CANNOT use hunter tools on him because of how fast he is. Only raw attacking, jumps, pogos, and Clawline matters. Silk only goes to healing or Cross Stitch. You need to abuse your own mobility or he will stomp you. When he throws his shield and jumps to where it goes, you NEED to dash or Clawline there to catch him so you can hit him once maybe twice in time before he starts a new attack. Hunter pogo matters too because of the angle in relation to Seth's own mobility and attack movements. Sawblade skirt matters too because the incidental damage from you abusing your mobility will surely stack on him as the fight goes on. When he slams down and explodes on phase 1, he ALWAYS does his ground combo slashes, which you can pogo right before he detonates and right after he detonates and is slashing forward
>>723403246I beat the game in 3h17m. There was plenty of time to get the first pale oil. The second one requires getting the double jump, but that's not necessary to beat the game. I'm kind of disappointed that you can't beat the game without the float cape. You need exactly once and I had to back track to get it in act 2.
>>723407501Time to repost mine, updated after my last session. As always, this is NOT flamebait. It is my truly unfiltered (allegedly dogshit) opinion
>>723408972Lace 2 also does this
>>723385786
>>723426327If you don't buy the quill from Shakra, you get one when you defeat Trobbio and it's red instead of white.
>>723430705>100%>Doesn't include an entire area
I wasnt prepared for this.....
Defeated Karmelita and the Pinstress, got the final mask and all tools, 99% completion. I can see the finish line.
>>723431519This is one of the only times in the game where Hornet plays a different melody on the Sneedolin.
>>723431519Her fight in the pantheon of Pharloom is gonna go crazy
as a person who doesn't really give a shit about metroidvanias something about this game hit every spot just right. It's been about 3 weeks since I beat it and I'm constantly thinking back on it. really fantastic experience honestly.
>>723432423Did you play the first one?
>>723432645yea i played it but I thought it was ok it didn't really grab me
I'll admit it: I'm a Reaperbab
PUSHANKHA
>>723433370Reaper is the worst crest in the game by quite a bit.
>>723433849It's what works for me.
>>723433989At this point, Reaper is the only crest that you can say you beat the game with because the others are overpowered in comparison.
Its not particularly interesting. The enemies aren't smart, the player's moveset and options are lacking. Most bosses aren't very reactive at all. They have a set of 3-5 patterns they randomly pick from, memorize them and you win. No interplay. Considering the common attitude that many players have where if you use x tool you didn't "beat the game" I would imagine that most fans probably never play fighting games and/or are terrible at them. Not that I used tools very much myself. But if you have to artificially restrict yourself from using options the game gives you to make the bosses fun, then maybe the bosses aren't as good as you think they are.
>>723397954Yes but you are the only one she'll let get her pregnant and marry her.
>>723385786Crawled my way back to where I last died. I currently have claw line, double jump, working on getting the two needle upgrades in act 2, some more masks (i'm at 7 already), gonna work on recruiting garmond for the hgih halls gauntlet. Things are lookin' up.
>>723435439That's my child I am the father
>>723438064Congrats Sherma
I'm getting filtered by the bird gauntlet in Greymoor. Is this normal? What's happening? They keep throwing aimbot daggers. And when I try to hit them? Those fat bird niggas sit on me. They're so strong. I can't... I can't... I can't do it anymore... pic unrelated.
>>723439957They're not aimbot daggers, they have two trajectories patterns based on whether he's on the ground or in the air.You can just free Bellhart first for the free nail upgrade if you're struggling that much.
>>723439957Ignore it. The only purpose it had was Threadstorm anyway, and it was nerfed to genuine shit.Go straight to Shellwood>get wall jump>go to wormways>get Plasmium, Shell Satchel, and Wanderer>steamroll the rest of the game
>new patch>multi bindee gets rid of maggots and then heals you againThoughts bros?
>>723441049That's actually a pretty big buff. Antimaggot is important and the only way to deal with it is at the end of act 2.
>>723441049Being able to fast travel without it clearing plasmium overload is more interesting to me, but that should make multibinder a lot more useful.
>>723385786I did HK no-hit before but I still wouldn't want to do Steal Soul legit
>>723441049Makes sense, you are basically binding twice in a row.
>>723401932Silksong doesn't even have iframes, retard
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My current route is>start game>get Pebb's key>get Flintslate>do Hunter's March while Shakra can carry me>Flea teleport to Greymoor>get Cling Grip>go to Wormways, get Shell Satchel, Plasmium, and Wanderer>finish Shellwood>finish Act 1 via Phantom>get Clawline>get Faydown>clean up everything I missed along the wayThat's about where I'm at.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE DLC
Is flintslate really that good?
>>723442437I would strongly recommend it for >Wanderer>Beast>Hunter
Is Pollip Flintslate any good?
>>723423663Hornet's journey is about not becoming like her dad's side or the weaver's side. But at least PK has a fucking excuse, since it was in his nature and instinctual. Weavers were assholes for no goddamn reason. They even propped themselves up as rulers after making their creator fall asleep
>>723442735Not really. It poisons but lowers the damage per hit
>Sherma got all the way to the songclave through sheer strength of faithHow
>>723442980Wait, Pollip WEAKENS Flintslate?
>>723431519this shit was epic. many moments like this. what a game what a time to be alive
>>723412342any idiot can get it using SAM
>>723443064Silksong definitely understands how to just pepper itself with so many little memorable unique interactions across all three ActsShits crazy
>>723423663there's also the whole destroying other kingdoms and enslaving everyone thing, that wasn't great
Has there been any new fluff discovered in these recent patches like the clovers growing back where the green gay dies?
>>723443051Royal and Obedient. He poses no threat to the citadel. If the city was still alive, he would be sent straight down to Underworks and run a mill for a bead for eternity
>>723443059Pollip isn't worth it in a lot of tools. Flintslate is just one of them.
>>723431519if you weren't pressing the needolin button before the prompt get the fuck out of my face
>>723443348a crack in Coral Tower's window if you imagine hard enough kek______
>>723443609That's fucked.I'm just addicted to the Sekiro "stack all temporary sword buffs" playstyle that Pollip Flintslate seems like it should have
>>723426634>I only built around one tactic the listYou may as well just make a build list and not a tier list at that point. You can use void filament/spells or mirrors/witch crest and down bosses in a fraction of the time you spend tack/flying.
What is Team Cherry's fetish with gay fucking gauntlets everywhere in this game?I played this game to fight bosses, not waste ten fucking minutes to generic mook gauntlet #72 before I get the privilege of getting a single other attempt. It's like if you have a gourmet meal but before you can eat it you have to wait for ten minutes to watch some old dude take a diarrhea shit in front of youDoes anybody actually enjoy these?
>>723385972
>>723385786No, I'm just not doing it hehe
>>723427189>literally doubles all tools thrownAnd doubles the cost. ISHYGDDT
>>723443910They heard everyone compare HK to dark souls so they played dark souls 2
>>723443910>I played this game to fight bosses*yawn*
>>723443904Boring.
>>723443910The enemies prepare you for the boss
>>723443910they forgot how to make a proper game
>>723426634I thought the Conch was really good
>>723443910It's because they were balanced around hornets tools. Personally I think tools are unfun so while I used them I also didn't care for gauntlets
>>723444231What's this proper game to you exactly? I just wanna know your opinions on this matter
>>723439957The trick to dodging the triple knives is to move, but not too much, if the fat fucker is on the ground do a short jump instead of a long one, you can also parry the knives the same way you can parry those blades skarr scouts throw at you. Use the spike trap from forge daughter, it's the best tool against flying enemies you can get at this stage of the game.
>>723444453nta but silksong without a bunch of gay ass gauntlets would be nice
>>723444409>tool casuals ruin the game againMany such cases
>>723443910They made tools and expected players to use them forgetting that 99% of people are autistic and will just spam melee while getting upset and confused.
>>723444081Thanks, I agree that tack and flies are boring. Learning how to position for witch crest heals is far more engaging.
>>723444624Both are boring.
>>723444504so, just punching bags and bosses? got it
what a conveniently placed cocoon
>>723444758ya just like the first game
>>723444758The gauntlets are punching bags anon. The issue is that rather than having punching bags before getting to the fun part, you could just have the fun part
>>723385972Holy BASED
>>723434017>tfw my first run was almost entirely with reaper>reaper lost lace and every bossI.. i beat the game.Witch is way worse than reaper and trying to beat lost lace with it feels genuinely impossible, she WILL move away from your heals
Friendly reminder that Hornet HATES men and HATES her father, and that all three of her moms were in a lesbian polycule together! And they all hated the Pale Fascist too!
>Act 4/Epilogue update>help Lace rebuild everything>decide tax policyMake it happen TC
What the fuck is this and how do I get rid of it?
>>723445154>guaranteed opening when she uses the attack where she dashes back and forth three times>dies in three healsAll Witch requires is learning where openings are and starting your heal when you see it. With the Thread Storm nerf, it's also by far the strongest attack in the game.
>>723445285Barbed Bracelet
>>723445527Thanks. Here I am wandering around looking to decruse myself
>>723445285Do you not read the crests you equip?
I still feel ballistic whenever I think about the time when I saw First Sinner using Rune Rage against me for the first time.I thought a fight couldn't possibly get better after Widow's but that phase two sent me flying.
>>723445590Point out where it's even remotely implied "reflected on health bar"They look more like crystals than barbs, which given the game's inspirations, is tied to a fucking curse
>>723444812shitty loadout no wonder you died
>>723445654Basic critical thinking and paying attention after you equip something new oh going>wow this only happened after I equipped an item that increases the damage I takeI think trying to double down on this only makes you look stupider, just accept it was a foolish mistake.
Still stuck on Last Judge. Have only done like 10 attempts though. Too busy working and watching NFL. I'll get that fucker eventually.
723445807I think trying to farm (You)s over an invalid point with no observational context already proves you're stupid, so whatever you say is pretty much invalid
>>723426634This has got to be the worst tier list ever fucking made. Refrain form making another tier list ever again. Objectively better tier list
>>723439957When you expect the fat bird to throw his knives just imagine three lines from his fat fuck bitch body and jump between them. It becomes a problem when the Luigi steps in but just let your instincts carry over and it will work out for you.
Would you play it bros?
>>723445928Boy, have I got news for you >>723426840
>>723445851Use the magma bell.
>>723446015The pokemon gold of Hollow Knight.
>>723446015Great Shellwood is kino
>>723446015Who the fuck made this and why do they think Hallownest is so close to Pharloom
>>723445885>trying to farm (You)sWeird cope when>>723445590Is nothing special. It's weird that you equipped that crest and somehow didn't put 2+2 together. Sorry if I made you feel stupid but that doesn't make my post bait.
>>723445928shit-tier list
DLCs when. There is no more games this year what do I do.
>>723445928In what situation is quick sling actually useful? You have the same number of tools, you just spend them twice as fast.
>>723446015The everbloom stuff shpuld be high up above the world Right below an area with the smallest of holes that lets the actual sky shine on it
>>723446043>Use toolsNo
>>723446017Yeah, redditors are a bunch of shitters. My tier list is perfect though. A couple of things to clarify:Yes, the magnetic broch is S tier. You won't have any fucking money without it because it will all fall into spikes.Magma bell is S tier because it trivializes fire bosses. The flies are used exclusively by shitters that want the game to play itself so C tier. No, the pick is not some super secret underrated tool, it's fucking shit. I tested it. And yes I use the claw in combat, it doesn't matter. D tier.
>>723445928why is snitch pick always so low on every list? surely a silk and add dmg is good enough
>>723443910>I played this game to fight bossesWhy?No legit question, why? It's a sequel to Hollow Knight. You know it's a sequel to Hollow Knight. You know that in Hollow Knight you explore all over, fight minor enemies, fight numerous gauntlets, hell there's even an entire area dedicated to fighting gauntlets for prizes. It wasn't just bosses. The only boss rush mode was late DLC. So why would you expect Silksong to be any different?
>>723446209No you. >>723446319It's pretty good with architect to spam a boss to oblivion. I like it.
>>723446361The only fucking thing you've said that is objectively correct is the Magma Bell. That list is hardly perfect. Far from perfect in fact. Imagine thinking you won't have any money if you don't use the Magnetite Brooch. Couldn't be me.
>>723446552NTA but what do you use your yellow slots for?
The intended pairing, no matter how much lacenet fans try to push their narrative.
>>723446397The extra damage doesn't seem too considerable but I don't know the actual numbers, the extra rosaries are substracted from the total amount the enemy would give on death and if you're fighting something you will probably kill it anyway. Who gives a fuck about a few extra shells.
>tierlists never cover alternatives of the tools that have themand that's why they're all shit tier tier listswhy are you not rating the different silkshots? why are you not rating the two voltvessel forms? why are you all shitters?
>>723385786>steel soulim not touching that ever. i've half given up on finishing act 3, just lost all motivation
>>723446651I've heard it's 50% and the hit counts toward stagger
>>723446552Of course it's not perfect, because it's a subjective opinion, i'm joking. Why the fuck wouldn't you use the magnetic brooch though? do you like having to run around picking the rosaries that fell all the way down and losing 50% on spikes? It's not like there's that many things to put on a yellow slot.
>>723446651>>723446748The way clawline works is it hits twice for half your nail damage each, so it adds a third hit at the same damage.
>>723446748Dunno, maybe I did treat it too harshly. I would have to test it more on my next run. It's a blue tool though, the competition is too fierce.
>>723446617nta but dice, anklets, and grip.
Why were their necks so thick?
>>723447017how do people make hornet look so fucking cute bros
>>723446617Nta but>Dice>Shell Satchel>WeightI haven't found a use for Scuttle yet.
>>723446864Why not? Gotta run around to pick up shards anyway. I played the entirety of both games without using either money-sucking item, because fuck that there's better shit I could put in, even if it's only marginally so in silksong.
>>723447061She's naturally sexy
>>723446690It was not an option to add and i'm not adding them. I'm not sure which silk shot is better because they all seem pretty bad but maybe the forge sister one. The spear voltvessel is definitely better, in my opinion. I think you can do more damage with the other one but they always bounce out of the way.
>>723447115
>>723447085>because fuck that there's better shit I could put in, even if it's only marginally so in silksong.I don't know about that. I replace the compass and brooch for the dice, belt, or anklets for important fights and bosses but for general exploration I don't like losing money on spikes. Though there's a lot of areas with enemies that don't give any, so not point in having it all the time I guess.
>>723447174Original is best imo because it's a high damage laser, exactly like the kind those big orb machines on the mountain shoot at you. So while it's relatively slow and you need to be precise with it, you get far more damage per silk compared to the other two.
>>723446043I am. Just need to get the attack patterns figured out better.
>>723447273Do you think Hornet would like a tarantula? They're fluffy. Maybe she would be disgusted instead.
What does the dice even do? I got it from the thief but the description isn't helpful at all.
>>723447448the only times I can figure using the brooch is at the beginning of the game when there's nothing else available or if you're an avid user of the rosary canon.
>>723447610Gives you a 2% chance to negate the damage from being hit, which goes up by 2% for every hit that isn't negated to a maximum of 10%.
>>723447610The dice randomly shield you from one attack. Every time you take a hit and it doesn't activate, the chance for it to activate increases to an upper limit that I don't remember, and once it does activate that chance resets.It synergizes with the magnetite brooch to cause it to grab rosaries quicker.
>>723442302in another 6 years or so
>>723447557she really likes fluffy things according to the journal sooo...
>>723447610
>>723442302It was a bit over a year to get all hk dlc but they apparently want to be more ambitious for this game.
>>723445169I wonder if the Pale King ever ever got busy with Vespa as well? They must have done it at least once.
>>723447757I'm going to focus the next playthrough on the scuttlebrace, thx.
>>723447908How do you think he convinced her to train his daughter?
>>723385786why would anyone do a steel soul run of any metroidvania, doubly so for metroidvania with sekiro levels of damage taken and bloated runtime wise beyound belief? That's the most time wasting autistic activity you can probably engage in. What next, beating monster hunter steel soul style?
>>723448065If people are doing it in 4 hours, it's not that bad on time. You can do that in an afternoon. It is punishing, I don't think I'll do it
>>723448157mathematically unlikely unless you've replayed the game multiple times already. No way after beating the game just once you remember what item is where
>>723448267Erm, a lot of people would probably look up a guide at that point
>>723448267If all you're doing is a quick speedrun to get the basic trophy then yeah, it's really easy to remember where the important stuff is and plan your run.But even for a 100% run, as you make your way through each area it's easy to go "okay I remember there was a breakable wall here that leads to this item" and it makes 20-25 hour 100% runs very doable. Most of the fucking around on the first run is going into it completely blind having no idea where anything is.
>>723448065Yeah this game is a bit too long and kinda difficult at times for an ironman mode to be worth the time investment. It made more sense in the first hollow knight because it was shorter and easier.
>>723448513bold of you to assume this game has remotely the memorability of dark souls where you do actually remember every fake wall.
PSA for keyboardfagsUse this mod. This is the only mod I use along with Always Compass. Compass theres an argument against but this has no excuse for not being in the game.Retardedlt the Inventory key functions differently to the Crests, Tasks, Journal, and Map keys. This mod makes it work the same way. Now all we need is a mod to enable rebinding the secret keybinds of [ and ] for next/prev menu.Controlerfags are lucky as it's just the triggers and they have no panel-specific menu keys. Just one [menus in general] button and two to cycle menus. For some reason TC felt the need to give this trait of the Inventory key to keyboard controls as well. But not to let us rebind prev/next menu. That'd be fine but for some reason "Inventory" is [Menus in general] rather than specifically the Inventory panel.Absolutely fucking annoying.
>>723448560The number of fake walls is overstated, and most of them led to rosaries or shards. Peoples' frustrations were with specific breakable walls and hidden passages that led to entirely new areas, but those ones are easy to remember.
>>723448065The game is easier than the first HK on a second playthrough so it changes almost nothing. Unless you choose not to use half the crests and most of the tools in the game, you won't really ever be at risk of dying.
>>723447770Dice are nerfed so hard in comparison. Carefree Melody is completely busted, its lowest chance is as high as Dice at its highest.
>>723447886I think we got Hidden Dreams and Grimm within half a year so maybe well get an announcement soo when they release their first actual post release blogpost
>>723445278Next game is like kenshi but you have bugs
>>723449042Sure but Carefree cost three charm slots, was near the end of game and required skipping NKG.Dice can be acquired in Act I, take up the freest slots in the game and don't require giving anything up.
>>723446412Anon, did you actually play Hollow Knight?Hollow Knight does have enemies. It also has gauntlets. But the number is significantly reduced and the placement is highly reasonable. The trials are optional and the bosses after are pretty easy to compensate with the fact that they came after a gauntlet. In fact, right now the only gauntlet to boss combo I can think of is the Traitor Lord, and that's a very obvious special case that you should know about if you've played the game considering what happens during itMeanwhile, the fun standout bosses get to actually stand out and going back is straight forward. Or are you really gonna sit there and tell me that NKG was trash and what it needed to be good was three waves of primal aspids before each attempt?
>>723401695are you farming?I always go there to farm, then if I get low on health I just cheese this door to get silk back.
>>723427456>silkspeed anklets... for what? I don't see a reason for them desu
>>723430975Your quill can also be tormented if you wait.
>>723450382comfy-ness
>>723450382They feel nice on a controller
>>723450382sprintmaster
>>723450382You... go fast dude. See that direction? You go at it real good. See that destination? You're there real soon.I don't know what to tell you buddy lmao.
>>723450602Sprintmaster disables it
>>723450382makes reruns to the bosses faster
>>723385786I haven't even finished my first run. Still in Act 2 and stuck at the Bilewater boss fight. The contact damage is driving me nuts to the point where I'm penalized for using the drill tool and penalized for Downward aerial attack if I'm not careful. This area is bad enough for screwing over your ability to heal if you fall into the water. And the false rest stop is just spiteful. My rest stop I'm using is the one next to the dude who is proud to be your slave and spins silkeater. It probably would be faster to get to the stop by the Mist but I can at least convince myself I'm farming partially this way.
>>723450969there's a secret bench
>>723450969>contact damageThe boss is extremely easy if you stay underneath him. His spit just travels over you and he does a big tell before diving down. Otherwise, he just flies around slowly meaning you can just aim directly up and get non-stop free damage.That's also setting aside that you can throw bombs in his mouth and just accept the maggots and jump in and out of the water to more easily avoid attacks.
>>723450969be one with hatred. be one, with maggotwater. explore moar
>>723385786Done. Two legit quit-outs (once in the opening on act 3, once when I got stupid with a dark heart in far fields), one semi-legit (I would probably have made it back to my bench in the Wormways, but decided not to risk it.In penance, I beat Tormented Trobbio.
I've tried for a long time to like this game and I just can't fucking do it. I say this as I'm almost done with Act 3.I think the obvious reason is there's a shift in philosophy between the first game and this one. The first one wasn't easy, but it generally never went too far with its punishments. No bench traps, no critical benches that are behind breakable walls, no maggot water, runbacks are rarely longer than 60 seconds, and the main feeling of exploration, battle, and reward is always there. If it ever gets frustrating, it never feels like the intention.This game, on the other hand, will trip you, grind your skull into the dirt, spit in your face and then piss on your unconscious body before laughing at you. The game feels less like it wants you to have a fun time and more like it's constantly daring you to beat it and trying its fucking damndest to make you burn out and give up. It often does that well and pulls a lot of shit to that end. And a lot of people do like that kind of game. But it's also not the kind of game the first one is. Even though it's just as well designed as the first, in some senses even moreso.
Damn I just died to the nuke throwers in Deep Docks lmao. I stupidly decided to use my key and go in before I tackled Hunter's March to get FracMask
>>723452269It's really, really not that hard at all. At most, it's just designed differently since tools require you to actively use them and consider when and which to use.
>>723453196>toolsyou didn't beat the game
>>723449535>>723445169Trannyslop.
>>723452269silksong has zero runbacks over 1 minute
>>723453339
>>723453196As someone who was doing a no red, blue, yellow tool / no skill blind run up until Karmelita, it really is crazy just how much easier the tools make the gameI beat the game pretty damn easily after that, but the game quicksaves after each major boss fights, so I still want to go back and do a "proper" run eventually
>>723453084wait when is this played?
>>723453597After First Sinner I think
>>723453571Yeah build can do anything from making the game slightly easier to fucking brain deadUnfortunately, that comes at the cost of people who can make a half decent build making the game easy and cheeseable as fuck. Basically the opposite problem>>723453439Post your Bilewater run
>>723453748did you find the secret bench in bilewater...
>>723385786Are there Silk Pantsu in the game tho??
Bilewater has no runback
>>723451158>>723451393I guess I could go back into that area to search more thoroughly. >>723451348damn I wish I thought of giving up and hiding in the maggot water after being infected. That's a good idea. And I was previously using the Architect before switching back to my ol' faithful reaper. The Architect is good at poking directly overhead.
>>723453967If you didn't die to Groal at least once then you did not beat the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9jqMn5XBQg
>>723408047She'll quite often teleport onto you if you play to chase her in situations where she's trying to get out from the corner or rare happenstance but people overplay it massively.The real bullshit is her backflip, the move singlehandedly forces you to watch and wait and is fucking nasty in phase 3
>>723385786I beat it a few weeks ago. I did it legit, but it took me 8 attempts. Only need to get the 5 hour speedrun achievement then I'm done.
>>723454009
Just fought Karmelita again. Such a good boss. Her and First Sinner are tied for first place for me.Lost Lace is the runner up
>>723454758I just wish they didn't have the ant mooks in front of herWould've made it at least 10x more enjoyable
>>723454758I'm split on her to be desuI like her first and second phase. Her third phase feels pretty unforgiving and like it's meant to be a tool spam window. Which, yeah - you can do that and she crumples like a fucking leaf, but it's not exactly satisfying or fun
>>723454758Kindred post. >>723455178I'm fine with the mooks, it's the playing the needolin that irks me more
>>723422228>Even I have that and I don't feel like I'm truly good at the gameIt's literally the second hardest thing to do in the entire game besides all bindings at once on P5 lmfao. What are you TALKING about you aren't "Good" at the game.There is genuinely nothing else you could do harder in the base game itself.
GIVE ME LAST JUDGE, PHANTOM, GMS, FIRST SINNER, WIDOW, FOURTH CHORUS, AND COGWORK DANCER SUPERBOSS REMATCHES
>>723456367Lace too. She could be harder
I don't really see the point of steel soul because nobody is actually going to do that shit legit.
>>723456431calm down satan
>>723456367>FIRST SINNER, WIDOWFirst Sinner IS the Widow rematch>COGWORK DANCERAlready in the game, sadly
Whenever the boss rush stuff comes out everyone's gonna realize Trobbio 2 is worse than hitler.He's gonna be the Malkuth 2 of the final pantheon I gaurentee.
>>723456446I did it legit in the first game because I didn't know about the save and quit cheese. Now that I know it's there it's hard to ignore though
>>723456598hollow knight is nothing compared to this madness
>>723454758I just got Karmelita for the first time after 10 or so tries. Turns out that if you jump off the walls to the center you can safely heal at the very top of the arena and staying high, moving above her with dashes and clawline and pogoing her is the safest option. The only time when she can actually hit you is when she jumps high to do the buzzsaw, but if you keep doing the pogo you will only lose 1 mask or even none. Since she rarely hit me I was generating silk for heals faster than she could do damage and I was actually surprised when she died as fast as she did. Good fight, but very cheesable as it turns out.
>>723456575I got Trobbio on the first and Tormented Trobbio on the second try. Turn off the annoying screen shake in the option menu and he's a cakewalk.
>>723456541>First Sinner IS the Widow rematchGive me a First Sinner superboss then>Already in the game, sadlyFour or three dancer is easily possible
>>723456575I don't think it's hard to notice Trobbio 2 putting you in undodge-able situations. Or at least, unintuitive attacks to dodge. Tornado + 6 Bombs is probably dodge-able by being in the air instead of the ground.Overall he's fine but that attack combo reminds me of Dream Zote for some reason. And I hate Dream Zote
>entire sequel proves pale chad right>even hornet trips into the same pitfalls as her father>her entire character arc is understanding why he did what he did>a game about motherhood still finds a way to redeem the failed father figureKINO
>>723457082I never finished hollow knight, explain
Anyone tested pollip pouch after the last patch? They said the blue tools now scale with tool upgrades, does that mean poison got stronger?
Does this mean the hover slash tool way better now?
Every time someone has shown of their Silksong achievements I’ve always asked them when they are planning to do steel soul legitimately They always get assblasted and seethe but I’ve never been rebutted even once. Why does every lowlife nigger playing this game cheat? If you are going to quit out why not just use the achievement unlocker like the bitch you are? There is zero fucking difference Not only are you pathetically trying to lie to other people despite the truth being obvious to anyone with a brain You are also cheating yourself immensely Does it feel good to follow a step by step guide made by someone else while you quit out 80 times with the fractured mask?
>>723456367>give me (…) COGWORK DANCER SUPERBOSS REMATCHESIt already exists bro, it’s called Clover Dancers
>>723461920Those faggots arent any better
>>723461860We live in a world where people willing condemn themself to lifelong debt to afford a flashy car and a big watch for no reason other than superficially inflating their self-worth. Shit like this is just more of the same. It's all just puffed up feathers.
