good news everyone, glenn schofield is going to save video games for us with just three easy steps:>The first and arguably most controversial step to take in Schofield’s opinion, is for the games industry to widely embrace the use of generative AI as a standard part of their development tool set.>Next up, Schofield believes that investors need to loosen their purse strings and start spending more on games development, as well as putting the right people in charge of each studio.>Lastly, and perhaps most strangely given that he was presenting the opening keynote address at a rival games industry show, Schofield wished for the return of E3.
>>723447038>whatever>whatever>wait hold on a second this guy is BASED
>spend more on game development Isn't that one of the things that led us here?
>>723447038>Games are shit>Let's use AI trained on this shit>Games got bloated costs and develop time>Let's spend even moreIs he retarded?
>>723447038>as well as putting the right people in charge of each studioThat's never going to happen when the people who consistently make shit games that flop are just rotated between different companies. You'd think the people managing the money would care more about results that generate returns on investments rather than hiring some ideologically captured dipshit who only cares about pushing retarded identity politics over creating a successful game.
>how to save the industry>give me more money for less work
>>723447038>lower quality>bloat costs>give him and his buddies top jobsHow to kill an industry in 3 simple steps.
Roblox
>>723447038Literally doing the exact opposite of all three of those points would fix things.
>>723447510The people managing the money get paid no matter what happens, thats why they don't carePutting out trash and shutting down studios is more profitable for them than making good games, so that's what they do
>>723447726exactly my thought, Arisu.
>>723448002>roblox pedophilia grooming scandal breaks>population of users from brown third world shitholes starts skyrocketing
>>723448191I wonder what the landscape is going to look like when those retards don't have any studios with reputations to ride on from which to push their shit products. It's not like what they're putting out is building any credibility like the old houses did over a couple decades.90% of trash sells because it's from X studio or Y franchise.
>>723447038>we need lower quality and increased budgetswe need the opposite actually
>>723447038>we need to spend more money for even less returnsKEK
>>723447038>put me in charge and give me unlimited money>also let me offload all the hard stuff to aigee thanks for your insight, buddy
>>723447038>Makes the Callisto Protocol>Complains that the game industry is shitLOL
>>723448716He said the publisher forced him to release before it was ready.https://www.eurogamer.net/the-callisto-protocol-publisher-krafton-insisted-on-releasing-it-too-soon-says-director-glen-schofield
>>723447906That's not even Twitter you retard. It's a headline from a gaming website quoting a video game developer. Grow a brain and get mad at an actual Twitter thread.
>>723448952The gameplay was dogshit, more time spent wouldn't have changed anything when the foundation was flawed from the getgo.
>>723448952The game would've been just as shit even with a year more of development. There was absolutely nothing salvageable about it.
>there's too much garbage!>we must use AI to produce more garbage even quicker!
>>723447038Step one is to market to your demographic. Which almost noone does anymore. >>723447381if he wasn't would the industry be in this position in the first place?
>>723447038>started as a game artist>shitty movie games and cash grabs until Dead SpaceAnother hack voicing his opinion no one asked for. Just do ur job mate u aint that guy.
>>723447038>widely embrace generative AIthe finals uses AI for certain things and that's a good game but only really on a game design/gameplay front. in general if I'm noticing AI I don't like it >more moneyNO LOL more money is we're so fucked over>E3 backbewildering but kinda based
>>723448191I doubt that it is profitable for the investors who poured millions into the project which was my point. You'd think they'd wise up after the 3 or 4th flop by the same people.
>>723449492It uses AI for the announcer and that shit was so bad I turned it off instantly.
>>723449739it uses it for the player voices too which I noticed almost immediately, seemed to take others longer
>>723448952>I was planning new ideas to put in the game>3 FUCKING MONTHS BEFORE RELEASE>Then Krafton told me to fuck off and finish the game now, no more 3 monthsNha this guy is fucking retarded
>>723447038glenn schlopfield
>>723447038Indielords will fix the gaming industry.What the big names can do is go all in on a unified gaming platform with anti-cheat.
>>723447038>as well as putting the right people in charge of each studio????????????????????????????????
>>723450092>Indielords will fix the gaming industry.By introducing more tumblrisms into it? No need. Mission Accomplished.
I know of a complete and final solution to the game industry's problem.
>>723450184Silksong, Cultic, HYPER DEMON, Dominions 6, etc. Clearly not tumblr.
>>723450107He means that he'll step down.
if by fix it he means neuter it and make it a troon, then someone already got to the industry before him.
>>723450092The one main strength indie titles often have is that they're not owned by a corporation. Corporations have unironically been the worst thing to ever happen to the vidya industry. Not only are they forced to constantly seek ever growing profits so they need to chase the widest common denominator, but they also actively fleece and abuse their customers to increase profit margins as much as possible. Then outside hostile companies can buy up stock and force the company to sabotage itself.
>>723450289>SilksongThat's the only one in your list I've even heard of, and in what way is it distinct from the fetishized artistry of tumblr?
Why os Glen Schofield in the news so much lately? Calisto Protocol was the game that finally convinced me to never ever pre-order ever again.
>>723447038>Dead Space CreatorI didn't know scrawling "zombies...in SPACE" on a bar napkin qualified you as a creator
>>723447038>Schofield wished for the return of E3No thanks. E3 was pure cancer and the very first one marked the beginning of the end for vidya when Sony bought their way into the market.
>>723448952Motherfucker, the DLC makes the entire game just a dream the MC has, that game is fucking ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>723450481No shit. And last I checked, it was the corporations adulterating beloved IPs with DEI tumblr shit. So until the corpos respect the craft and don't pass off a subscription plan for a videogame, they should do something actually useful: either make a nexus type hardware platform or some kind of joint super anti-cheat.
>>723447038lolgames are doomed
>>723447038how about they fix the issue of staff turn overs and inflated budgets cause of vfx? nobody cares about graphics
>>723447038reminder that he had next to nothing to do with the released version of Dead Space, his entire involvement as a 'creator' was EA buying his original pitch of a zombie outbreak on a space prison (sound familiar?)
>>723447038How can you lower quality from dogshit
1. fire all the feminists2. fire all the activists3. make games that doesn't push a narrativethere, i fixed gaming for you.
yeah bro suits are gonna simultaneously use AI to shit out games and also give studios bigger budgetswhere do they find these retards?
>>723447038I swear Glenn Schofield tripped and fell face first into directing two decent games, then when someone installed safety bumpers on reality and he could "make his true vision", the Kojimbo effect set in and everybody pretended that sonetimes Publishers arent entirely to blame.And considering how mucb of a financial disaster DS2 was, no fucking wonder EA has tanked. How the fuck do games make money these days anyway?
>>723451419>How the fuck do games make money these days anyway?by being Roblox, Fortnite, or Minecraft
>>723451419He didn't direct any of the Dead Space games. His only director credits are shit like Gex.
>>723450591the esg and commie takeovers are the hostile companies i mentioned. Not only blackrock and vanguard, there's also theories of tencent and other chinese companies getting stock and intentionally sabotaging the companies with mandated diversity shit to lose value so they can either buy all the I.Ps for cheaper, or to replace them with their own companies.>>723450785They won't. They're already co-opted for one, and their only interest is short-term profit growth which will not happen at this point. The situation is completely fucked.
>>723447038>Dead Space creatorYour opinion is worthless.
>>723453683Similar to what you mentioned, the chinese have a mindset that trade is war, or an aspect of war. Which sometimes leaves me wondering how intentional the implosion of the western gaming industry is, especially from foreign interests. Their mindset seems similar to what you're talking about but they're a bit more upfront about it.
>>723447381No, he's invested in AI, like almost everyone else the media is actually going to print articles about.
>>723449076>that's not from twitter it's from [basically twitter if not even sub-twitter]shut up nigger
>>723450491Dominions 6 is really good, idk about the others
>>723454002>hurr I'm retarded hurrConcession accepted.
>>723447038>the videogame industry, which has been ruined by greed and commercialization, needs MORE commercialization and cost cutting actuallyWhat a fucking faggot
>>723447038>higher quality in record time>more competent hires and leads>an annual event to replace marketing budgetsDude is a genius, and his sentiments will inevitably filter /v/
>>723454385>Dude is a geniushttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Schofield#Gamesyeah I don't know about thatgex was fun when I was a kid though
>>723454543Besides Dead Space and to a lesser degree CoD (because I'm 99% sure he had almost no hand in it), anything he produced is easily forgotten or in Callisto Protocol's case, only known as another attempt at Dead Space that suckedHow does this fucker think he is anything but a lucky one hit wonder?
>>723447381Ai is the best thing happened to mankind and will literally save gaming forever
>>723447038>Well known hack thinks more people should act like hacks, also he thinks you should give him more money to make a new game.
>>723455636There is an interview about him and if you watch carefully, its all about him really. Since Callisto Protocol, that interview just cringe to watch.
>>723455728>My shitty overflowing sewer than has covered your entire neighborhood in shit is going to save mankind, trust me I jerk off to futa swamp creatures.
>>723447038Now that's an awful list of solutions Gelen.
>>723449817without sane publishers westoids would produce nothing but concords
>>723455958It's not a list of solutions it's his personal plan for how to get out of forced retirement and he's projecting it onto the entire industry.
>>723455728AI stands for actually indian
>>723456956you're always idiotic
>>723450503He's probably trying to make another game or form another studio for funding. Not too long ago he made headlines with the guy pitching Dead Space 4 ideas to EA, only to get rejected soon after.
>>723447038>Dead Space creator is an AI fagI am so fucking tired bros.
>>723447038Thats weird! Nintendo does none of thede things and is thriving.Really makes you think!
>>723457394everyone with intelligence is pro AI
>>723457689And that's why you need a computer to think for you?Good morning, saar.
>>723457724the problem is that you can't think, so you believe tools are bad because they just heckin are okay
>>723457843i dunno man, i think you're giving that guy you're replying to the win with that postthat was awful
>>723457843Took ChatGPT a bit of a while to spit that one out and it wasn't even good. But then again, it never is with slop.
>>723447038Can someone just put the old dead space guys all in the same studio again so MAYBE Glen will deliver something less disappointing than Callisto Protocol next time? EA should set it up so the Dead Space franchise returns except we don't take a dice roll on Glen working with a bunch of no names and he's balanced out by a team that pushes the game into the state of quality it needed to be in. Dead Space wasn't a fluke Because of two games being good. He's just not capable solo is all.
>>723447038He lost me at generative AI. I will not buy your game if AI was used to make it.I will however concede that if the usage of AI during development, brings game prices down to below 20€, it will be a good thing. But that will never happen and publishers expect people to still pay premium for low quality AI slop.
>>723447261Yes and no. It’s consulting, managers, DEI officers, organisational and/or team process experts, HR, retards who learned “gameplay” at univ… all that corpo crust who drove vg budgets higher.Programmers have been decentered from projects and cost even less than before - it’s the purpose being served by UE5-like tools.
>>723458040>I will not buy your game if AI was used to make it.yes you will
>>723458092@grok why is anon a fucking retard
>>723447038dead space is nortubel tier anyway
>>723458172everyone is using AI, so you'll eventually find a game you like that's using it
>>723457843>Dildo is just a tool, if you believe it's bad to use it on a girl instead of doing it with my dick like a primitive, you are low IQ
>>723458247why do you keep posting this
>>723457689You should move to the third world then, they are objectively the most pro AI nations on earth.
>>723458419the lowest iq analogy of all time
>>723458092No I won't.
>>723458446i tink your boaf dum
>>723458443China and America are the most pro-AI countries on earth. And excluding the hordes of mexicans in America which you belong to, these are high IQ nations.
>>723458480Lol, the corporate american executives inflating their bubble are pro AI, the populace is not. When polled on who is most optimistic about AI all first world nations are broadly negative while India, china and the entire third world is positive. Like I said you'd be at home in Africa or India.
>>723447038lol what a fucking retard, he was to Dead Space as turtle Rock were to Left 4 Dead and he can't handle being a useless loser
I can suggest an equation that has the potential to impact the future:EA = DeadSpace^2 + AIThis equation combines EA's famous game Dead Space with the addition of AI. By including AI in the equation, it symbolizes the increasing role of artificial intelligence in shaping and transforming our future. This equation highlights the potential for AI to unlock new forms of games, enhance graphical discoveries, and revolutionize various fields such as stomping zombie babies.
>>723447038dude is a hack and should not be involved with anything again after callisto
>>723458569The people making it love itThe people investing into it love itThe people using it love itThe only people who don't love it are deranged lefties, bitch made losers
>>723447038He's partially right for AI, more companies need to embrace using it but only to replace development bureaucracy, using it for creative/technical endeavors will lead to some serious pitfalls.Investors shouldn't be spending more money, but they should be more willing to invest in experimental projects instead of trying to replicate what's trending.He's dead right on E3, it's what created buzz, No Man's Sky and Anthem had good initial sales because of their E3 buzz, that same kind of buzz generating event doesn't exist anymore, outside of Nintendo and their directs, I bet you E3 directs/treehouse gameplay generated more buzz.
>>723459029Sorry retard but nobody likes AI slop. It's not even because of the tech it's because everyone making shit with it sounds like a desperate nft shill while acting like a subhuman monkey.
>>723459074>You're a tranny>You're an Indian>You're gay>You're an AfricanBlah blah blah
>>723447038>good>good>goodCool.
>>723457578Yeah, nintendo just thrives on raping their consumers instead. Woo.
>>723459161Literally everyone does. All young people are using it for schoolAll boomers are enjoying AI art and clipsAll non-autistic creators are using it to create artAlmost all video game devs are using it"Traditional" artists are out of workI can even make an appeal to authority. Kojima, Sakurai, Yoko Taro, Vincke, Carmack, Tim, and many other notable game directors like it.
>>723459161NFTs are still going to take off and I'll be rich. 2 more weeks trust the plan
>>723459326Valve uses it as a search engine but don't actually use it to code because it codes like shit
>>723459480
EA buyout, as well as Embracer Group fumble from a few years ago is a perfect example of how vidya "industry titans" are run in a fundamentally wrong way. Not in a mismanagement/activist sense, but just straight up incorrect. Running a company is an infinite game (where bankruptcy is the loss condition), while the position of a CEO or a shareholder is a finite game (where striking it rich on ROI is a win condition). But unlike other publicly traded companies which rely on tangible consumer goods, commercial art is way too volatile. So when publishers can't reliably hit sales projections, all they can do is engage in speculative nonsense. CEOs are no longer incentivized to make profits off the product they are selling, but off selling their problems to somebody else, and bailing out.Everybody wants to get their fingers in a pie like Minecraft or Fortnite, but nobody can stomach a flop. Nobody but a genuinely invested founder who is happy with his company just staying afloat. That does not make you immune to Concordian levels of disasters, but at least you can be sure that you are not dependent on investors ready to discard you to speculate on BTC.The moral of this story? Selling out is fake and gay.
>>723459480>>723459547
>>723457296Britishers are shocked!
>>723459480>>723459547>>723459609
>>723459326All young people are shitting their pants because all entry level jobs are gone and it's only getting worseEveryone just out of school is annoyed that AI is going to make their degree useless because everyone after them is cheatingAll boomers haven't got a clue what AI is so they are investing into the biggest stock market bubble in historyAll ai "artists" are porn addict neets with weg patreons Everyone is using it for low level shit because they are terrified of being outcompeted and losing their jobs>Every one loves itIt's actually a bunch of people freaking out, acting like there's a gun to their head. Even the executives of the tech giants pushing it are losing sleep over AI destroying their companies. The only happy people are those who don't deal with technology or AI in any way or unemployed losers who get to make 1000 bucks a month selling porn.
>AI ART IS REAL ART AND I'M A REAL WOMAN
>>723459656>All young people are shitting their pants because all entry level jobs are gone and it's only getting worseproving that AI is insanely useful and everyone is using it>Everyone just out of school is annoyed that AI is going to make their degree useless because everyone after them is cheatingonly retards, smart young people are using it to be productive>All boomers haven't got a clue what AI is so they are investing into the biggest stock market bubble in history"im smarter than investors" yeah I bet>All ai "artists" are porn addict neets with weg patreons "artists are..." no one asked for your schizo take>Everyone is using it for low level shit because they are terrified of being outcompeted and losing their jobsand high level shit like curing cancer and solving other age old problems
>>723459161You fags trying to force the nft comparison have no clue how retarded you sound. How do you luddites even manage to navigate to this site.
>>723447038>Schofield believes that investors need to loosen their purse strings and start spending more on games developmentIf there's one thing that 6-8 year modern development cycles isn't, is cheap. I don't know why he thinks throwing more money at it will magically create more time.>>723447038>Schofield wished for the return of E3.This I agree with, Summer gamefest sucks. Gamescom sucks. Game awards sucks.Basically anything with Geoff sucks.Give us E3 back
>>723459685if it's not real art why are you mad
>>723459784I never said there was a technological comparison. The connection is the financially invested golems who spam every forum on earth trying to pump their investments. AI shills are primarily concerned about money, whether their tech or AI stock is mooning, whether their porn patreons are lucrative or whether their imagined slop will sell well on whatever marketplace they dream of shitting on.You function the same way because you're a slave to your investments. Once the bubble pops the discussion around AI will normalise and it will be treated like any tool.
>>723459685you will never be a woman and you will never dictate what is and isn't art
>>723458076The problem is that he's advocating for exactly that kind of shit.Generative AI is only going to be used due to incompetent management.Overinvestment will just get used on more cruft. E3 will just allow people to distract more from how badly their company is doing.
>>723450092The problem I have with indie games is similar to that of tech start ups. As soon as they "make it", they'll sell their company and fuck off living their dream life.
BROKENBATTERED BEATEN
it's ok i'll save video games.
>>723459984I don't have a single cent invested in AI. It's just obvious this is revolutionary tech and it's obvious why it upsets certain people who do their best to pretend they're blind to that fact.
>>723459758Kek are you 12? "investor" isn't a profession who you use as an appeal to authority, it's the equivalent of putting money in a bank. An average person with disposable income that they mindlessly throw at the stock market is an investor.Smart young people are using it to generate slop because all their dream careers just vanished overnight. Their only options are shitting out slop to compete with Pakistanis making fake matrix and superman trailers.
>>723447038Your opinions on the industry don't matter when you make something as busted and weak as Callisto Protocol. Washed doesn't even begin to describe this loser.
>>723460224the vast majority of AI investments are from professional investors which is a profession
>>723460180You're a neet so you couldn't have any investment in it even if you wanted to. You are the absolute lowst tier of bandwagoner who is emotionally invested because you're jerking off to AI porn while dreaming about making your own porn patreon. The tech is simultaneously a bubble and revolutionary, it will be useful in many fields of scientific research. Generative AI for entertainment isn't one of them, the result is mobile phone app store slop tier markets and the collapse of any value assigned to any artistic output.
>>723459161>It's not even because of the tech it's because everyone making shit with it sounds like a desperate nft shill while acting like a subhuman monkey.Same could be said of "artists".You think that fag in that image he posted put any effort into making that t shirt or just ordered some ugly ass print chinkshit?Get some perspective retard.>>723459648>DeadlockGo post in one of their totally organic threads about how "AIslop" is used in their game and see how little they care.
>>723460457>Generative AI for entertainment isn't one of them,Yes it is. It's the most lucrative.
>>723460259Blue tech chip stocks are the most commonly held retail stocks on the planet. I'm not interested in arguing with a stupid child.
>>723460558concession accepted
>>723447038>give me more money>but I will spend lessYes I also want to be rich
>>723460496>ai proponents are in the field of undercutting redbubble garbagenot sure if this is a winin a world of dross in every single halfway artistic medium, why should i be excited about neural networks producing MORE? if i am frustrated with the sheer number of direct to steam trash hoping to become FOTM, what good is this tech to the customer?
>>723460545Lol, no it isn't. AI collapses the value of any content market it enters. You're revealing that you're a poorfuck excited about how lucrative it will be for generating slop content, this is why you stink like an nft bag holder except it's existential. Since you're a kid with no assets and no future besides competing in the slop market you have to believe someone will buy your ai output because that's the only somewhat appealing job that's imaginable in an AI future.The only lucrative sector in this future will be the people who own data centers and the handful of mega corps who charge you a subscription to think for you.
>>723447038>The nigger that blew shit tons of money on c-list actors doing performance capture, making sure his rock 'em sock 'em horror game is never gonna make a profit, is arguing the industry should spend even more money on vidya developmentHow about no?
>investors need to loosen their purse strings and start spending more on games developmentthese retards put 600 million on concord and they got nothing out of it
>>723447038>makes 1 (one) good game>the rest of his career is fucking shit>thinks his opinion mattersMany such cases.
>>723460869It's kind of depressing to see these types of directors spiral into meme tech. Since itagaki is on the mind it was depressing to see him seek relevance in nfts because he couldn't get funding any other way. Same sense of dread seeing the SMT artist debase himself and his work by shitting out the ugliest stable diffusion v1 slop game on the market.
>>723447381It's clear Greg Scrotefield is a moron and Dad Spec was an accident.
>>723447038>The game industry isn't doing well recently>The solution? Double down on what it's already been doing.The real solutions are to limit executives creative control entirely: they should never even suggest the nature of the game. But they need to increase their oversight of budgets. That doesn't just mean be tighter with money, it means have informed people (hopefully former devs, maybe even ones from failed dev companies) be used to keep track of the holistic state of a game and then report back to the publisher/israelite dolling out money.That helps in the short term. But long term the only solution is to cultivate a labour force of competent game developers. Large companies could do this by always funding a proportion of smaller scale game development (smaller scope = smaller team = less team management) instead of only chasing big team projects. Then retain the fucking workforce. Pay them enough and consistently to keep improving their skills and experience. Graduate dev teams as a whole and individuals where needed to increasingly larger and more collaborative game projects.
Callisto Protocol creator Glen Schofield
>>723447038Shut up, you fuckin moron
>>723447038>l as putting the right people in charge of each studio.lemme guess, you, personally, Mister Schofield?
>bro we gotta spend MORE on games development, they only cost 400 million now, we gotta spent 500, 600, 700 million on every game!
>>723447038>Replace workers with AI>But also simultaneously investors should choose rich people to helm highly paying leadership positions instead of replacing them with AI.>E3 was goodCould the man be more of a jew if he tried?
>>723458092If AI would become good enough to make games easily, why the fuck would I ever give money to any game developer ever again? I would just push the prompt button and make my own game.
>>723447038Strange, I don't seem to see your name anywhere here, bro. Having "the idea" for a game doesn't matter very much, the execution is all that matters when it comes to video games and it doesn't appear like he had a whole lot to do with the execution.
>>723461768>why would I ever buy groceries when I can just become a farmer?>why would I ever buy a house and furniture when I can just become a carpenter?
>>723459784>luddites All these retards using the exact same words in unison is some amusing irony.
>>723461806>Pushing a prompt button is just as complicated and hard as farming or building a house.
>>723461823it's the definition of what you retards are
>>723460545>most lucrative.then why is it failing to generate any actual money? the money in the market comes from circular deals between OpenAI, Nvidia and other corporations going round and round self-sustaining, it is basically fiction everyone has to play along with because now there's too much money invested and they need it to keep going
>>723447038>wants people to use AI more>wants suits to pay morethey're trying to force AI exactly to stop paying for shit though
>>723461506Yes, the man who just killed his last studio by shitting out a mediocre game.
>>723461891Tell me five things about the Luddites, anon. Try to relate them to things now while you're at it.
>>723447038So we can get more things like Callisto Protocol?
>>723461937midjourney has like nobody working at it and they make this much
>>723462004>waste your time playing my stupid seething luddite gameNo.
Why so soulless zoomers who did not exist to watch an E3 live talk so negatively about shit they do not even know.
I hate the conversation around AI because you fags are completely one-note in your judgement.AI should only be leveraged to increase quality.HOLY SHIT IS SUCH A THING EVEN POSSIBLE DID I JUST BREAK YOUR LITTLE BRAIN?It's pretty simple: if it's not increasing quality then don't use it, if it is increasing quality then do use it. But you still believe that it can never increase quality under all circumstances, which is why you're retarded.
>>723462113500 million? That's it?Try 500 BILLION. Cos that's the kind of money currently being passed around in circles, stringing people along with no actual money being generated by the technology, just absorbed.
>>723462150>already resorted to soijaks
>>723462179this is some palpable cope
>>723462113The basic currency of AI spending is in tens of billions, regularly going into hundreds of billions. You're boasting about a drop in the ocean.
>>723462113>revenueAnd the profit?
>>723462113Generative AI is profitable the same way a pyramid scheme is profitable. It's a way to scam money out of rubes, so non-AI companies that actually have a core business (like making actual, real video games) knowingly joining a pyramid scheme is a form of either incompetence or short term stock price inflation.The big video game industry losing profitability and circling the drain is a sign that it's probably incompetence aka they've been successfully scammed into paying AI companies for a service that doesn't provide value.
>>723462226you're talking about something completely different than I am>>723462248it's all profit
>>723462219>they're spending 1 trillion dollars to make 500 million, that's amazing business bro
>>723462280>it's all profitUh no, that's not how revenue works
>>723462284>>they're spending 1 trillion dollarsthey're spending virtually nothing, they run an image model service and have millions of users.
>>723462163It's literally a net negative. It shouldn't be used ever.
>>723462280>he thinks revenue is profit
>>723462280>it's all profitWhy do you niggers always lie? Every time your rubber lips open up a lie comes out:https://fortune.com/2025/08/06/data-center-artificial-intelligence-bubble-consumer-spending-economy/https://youtu.be/FYlZd__XFro?si=Vla1NvYErhx0gyjR
>>723462280>you're talking about something completely different than I amExplain.
>>723462305>>723462342>>723462386high level cope, how funny
>>723462160why can't nostalgia-drowning millenials understand that it's not year 2000 when getting to see metal gear solid trailer was an accomplishment? or that console wars are nothing but smoldering embers, so arguing about who won that year is pointless?
>>723462418So you're choosing to double down on claiming that revenue is profit?
>>723462418>Nigger ran out of arguments.I accept your concession. Now back to the 3rd world shithole with you.
>>723462327OpenAI had a revenue last year of 3.7 billion. Guess what their profit was?
>>723462414you're talking about the biggest corporations in the world building infrastructure for infinite future profits and I'm talking about companies trying to make profits now and succeeding.
>>723462487>infinite future profitsWhere are these infinite future profits going to come from, anon?
>>723462487>I'm talking about companies trying to make profits now and succeeding.But they're not succeeding. They're not making profit with AI, they rely on investor money.
>>723462513the flow of data and the use of electricity >>723462521I just gave you an example, that company was profitable only 6 months after launching and has been growing exponentially.
>>723447038>meanwhile the most successful games in both reception and revenue are those made by a few people on a modest budget, sometimes as few as 1 - 3 peopleSo uhh... What exactly is stopping big publishers from putting together micro teams with the backing of the company at large for security, support and consulting? Like put 20-30 competent people in a single room, lead by someone that seems okay, that are allowed to actually talk to each other and just get them to... Y'know, make a game.How is that hard?
>>723462575>I just gave you an example, that company was profitable only 6 months after launchingYou didn't post profits though. Other anons already showed you that the costs of AI ate all the revenue.
>>723462268AI fags don't see it that nobody is going to buy AI art or whatever. They don't even buy that stuff themselves. Subconsciously everyone knows it's fake and worthless.
>>723462575>the use of electricity
I feel like this entire discussion is a bit delusional and pointless. The tech is already out there, so even if all the AI startups go bankrupt it's not gonna change a thing. AI coding isn't going away nor is generative slop.
>>723462608most of that is profit
>>723462487500 million in REVENUE (not profit, revenue) is absolutely nothing. Microsoft's revenue last year was 240 billion. Of course I'm talking about the biggest corporations ,they're the ones funding this giant farce.Also, where exactly are Midjourney's profit/loss statistics? You cited a press release talking about revenue with no specifics.
>>723462640How do you know that? What is your source for this claim?
>>723459758>>723459326>>723459029You are jsut another indian retard who thinks that AI is magic and can create
>>723462614this might come as a shock to you but AI uses electricity, it's what you pay for.>>723462649the vast majority of that is profit sir, it costs very little to do what they're doing.
>>723462627>The tech is already out there, so even if all the AI startups go bankrupt it's not gonna change a thing.Problem is the data centers. The shelf-life for data center GPUs is maximum 10 years after which they need to be replaced. So the tech is not going to be out there for the future if AI bubble bursts. Meta is already cutting down some of its data centers and the reptilian himself is already warning about AI being a bubble.
>>723462627>it's not gonna change a thingSee >>723462179There's actual trillions invested in it at this stage in a retarded ouroboros, it will actually have severe economic consequences when that bubble pops, it'll be a lot more than just some startups going belly up.
>>723462668you can do it yourself with a small team, there are lots that have. midjourney is just the most successful that I'm aware of
>>723462627When a less retarded government cracks down on the blatant copyright infringement it'll go away.
>>723462679So your idea for making money on AI, is to be...a power company? How about everything else?
>>723462150Ai is not a tool and you don't even know how it works
>>723462716and AI still won't go away even if that happens(it won't), in fact it will be used even more
>>723462627It isn't going away, but it's not getting better either. LLM are fundamentally limited and throwing more money at data centers won't help fix the problems it has. The code it produces is simply not reliable, and at a certain point it's not saving time or increasing efficiency, it's just a waste of time.
>>723462749the fuck are you talking about retard
>>723462163It should be used for repetitive uncreative shit, gathering data and all that stuff. That's where it shines and has a future.Creative stuff is not its place and doesn't work there
>>723462795>it will still exist!!!!Sure, and NFTs still exist. But we won't have it thrust in our faces as the be all and end all of humanity. It will simply be a tool with its uses for certain things, associated with being cheap and low quality.
>>723462786>>723462676Seethe more delusional spergs.
>>723449817The more I hear about these krafton-boys the more it sounds like they're honest people trying to wrangle tards.Based.
>>723447038>lower the quality further by abusing AI slop>bloat up budgets even harder now that AAA games cost up to 200mil to make>bring back a marketing event that was at most just nice to have but really didnt impact the industry in any major waywow what a genius. they should ALL listen to him.
>>723462841This >>723462679>>723462575"using electricity" is somehow the path to profitability for AI generationmoney for who exactly?
>>723462869>NFTsRettard alert. >>723462708I don't know if you've noticed but Zuck is literally fucking retarded and can't stop losing. This is yet another example of him failing to overtake the kings.
>>723447038Wow a whole AAA game got made by only 1 person?
>>723462795And it will make everyting stupid unreliable and uncreative, unless applied in the right places, like diagnosis and data collecting
>>723462931you are painfully retarded
>>723462738>midjourney is just the most successful that I'm aware ofMidjourney relies on investors for its money. When the AI bubble bursts there won't be any investors. Also you failed to post profit margins.
even fucking Sam Altman has acknowledged it's a big bubble and he's the one blowing it
>>723462974>stupid unreliable and uncreativestop projecting>>723462985>Midjourney relies on investors for its money.ah, you're retarded
>>723462982Answer the question. How does money from AI generation get made for the people running the AI company? The ones who have to lease these gigantic data farms to do so.
>>723463024you're too stupid to humor
>>723462708>>723462716A fair amount of AI slop (especially anything vaguely nsfw) is generated locally. Yeah the bubble popping is gonna be brutal but it wouldn't really change the appeal of using AI for concept art, texturing, boilerplate code, etc. I think >>723462747 is on the right track, stronger copyright laws could make the use of AI unfeasible.
>>723463075Answer the question.
>>723448002Why?
>>723463082The use of AI for creative endeavors is limited because its output is incredibly low quality and immediately marks your product as low quality. That is not a desirable stigma.
>>723463018Not an argument, sorry. Bring the profit numbers or shut your pajeet mouth.>>723463082>A fair amount of AI slop (especially anything vaguely nsfw) is generated locally.Data centers house the AI training models, when you generate an image with a prompt, the AI works through a data center, not your machine.
>>723462882Thanks for proving us right kekIt just automates and replaces the creative with an uncreative slot machine, who is the only part that matters in anything creative
>>723463145this is just your copeAI art is high quality
>>723462869It's a technological revolution on par with the Internet, and just like with the Internet it is causing a huge financial bubble. But like Internet didn't go away with the explosion of the 2000 bubble, AI won't.LLM are better at translating than 95% of professional translators. That's one job getting out. Recent audio diffusion models can generate voice acting with near perfect pitch and clarity from a 20 second audio sample. That's another job getting out. Law, blue collar jobs, helpdesk, we're not far from creating movies from prompt, etc, etc.Comparing it with Blockchain and NFTs is dumb wishful thinking. Blockchains were never a tech that would revolutionize society, they aren't even that useful, save for one or two uses. AI, like the Internet, is something else entirely.
It's all retarded. They're just passing money around to each other so they can have money to keep passing around.
>>723448716This is the guy that somehow had the entire goodwill of the Dead Space franchise, had the buff from EA spitefuly announcing the remake made by indians will be released in the same period as his game and he failed in spite of everybody wanting him to succeed. How can this guy even show his face anymore? I would remind him on twitter of this whenever he would raise his head to give a dogshit opinion.
>>723462973We will get to that point (not really), but it will never be good. Is to be seen it there will be an audience so inbred to adapt to that kind of product
>>723447038>this soulless, lowest common denominator driven slop industry is bruised and battered>to fix it we need to make it even more soulless and more lowest common denominator drivenWhat a fucking genius. I mean, minus and minus is plus, after all.
>>723463165>AI art is high quality
>>723463082There won't be stronger copyright laws though, in the worst case people just won't be allowed to train on Disney shit or whatever is recognizable. Models will still be available to create everything else. And then Disney would make their own models to let people use, or lease their IPs to companies like Adobe or Epic.
>>723463018>stop projectingMagic doesn't exist and technology cannot improve beyond its nature. hot air balloons will never go to space. AI cannot create
>>723462882Wow, all that to make....garbage.
>>723448716>>723448952Making a Dead Space spiritual successor but making the game revolve entirely on a shitty melee system instead of cool guns was an idea doomed from the start.
>>723463174Why do people keep saying this when no one said "AI is going to vanish"?
>>723463223thanks for proving me right showing a video of you in 2 weeks
>>723463082Ah absolutely. As a toy is fun, to generate slop cheap and fast is great.
>>723447038The only thing they need to do is let the devs use their creativity again, focus on fun and drop this insane graphics thing (Nintendo figured this out after gamecube and it's incredible that the others didn't follow) Games are as expensive as movies nowHow is this possible?
He thinks developmental costs are too LOW?
>>723463270Some people can think beyond "muh bubble goona pop" and understand that this statement is pointless because it doesn't matter. He's trying to level with people coping.
>>723448716>Callisto Protocol?Callisto Protocol?
>>723463281It was amusing to play with as a toy....for a while. Then it got old, and I moved on. I couldn't imagine using it constantly for years.
weird how this plan only serves to inject tons of money into the game industry and give them more attention, but has no plans for how to address waning interest and support from key demographics
>>723463270AI tards are mindbroken
>>723463271Thats you in front of your screen right now.
>>723463364>>723463320
>>723463353Eh, like any technology it has its place, just noth what AI tards think it will be
>>723463353you can say this about vidya
>>723463145Yeah I agree, that's why I listed those example. I think AI is gonna be used mostly in the background, giving the devs some plausible deniability. Kinda related, I have the suspicion that the increase in psx/lowpoly style indie games over the last few years has to do with the fact that AI art can be obfuscated by heavily pixelated it.>>723463147>the AI works through a data center, not your machineI am pretty sure this is wrong. Several boards have AI slop generals that have tutorials on how to host AI models on your machine.
>>723463514vidya has only grown to be the biggest form of entertainment over 30 years. If you don't care about video games, feel free to fuck off from /v/.
>>723463581and AI is growing faster than vidya dreamed of doing
>>723463514No, I couldn't, because you actually play video games and they're designed by designers.
>>723463320It does matter because AI investment is driving a massive amount of current economics, and it's one of the most tenuous and propped up markets imaginable. For perspective, the market around AI investment boosted Nvidia's valuation to more than all pharmaceuticals....combined. All based on the demand for data centers to power AI shit, which Nvidia's leveraged into multiple deals of tens and hundreds of billions each.
>>723463174Pro translators are never getting out of work, even sapient AGI will have limits here past some points.>voice acting with near perfect pitch and clarity from a 20The appeal of actors is in soul and actual intention, as well as jank.If these business makers are so boring that they'd toss out whole art professions that they were retarded enough to inflate payment wise in the first place, they can only be laughed at.A skilled man, using and handcrafting voices, games, etc with or without AI can make art.But corporate morons cannot.Dehumanization is dehumanization, and the more essense you remove from any endeavour, the less appealing it becomes.If they want to live in simulacra, by all means.
>>723463569https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/ai-data-center>>723463569>Several boards have AI slop generals that have tutorials on how to host AI models on your machine.And they will be infinitely slower and worse compared to those hosted in big warehouses full of GPUs.
>>723463675I'm not talking about you specifically you idiot>I used thing that was fun but stoppedyou can say this about AI, video games, sex, drinking, anything. it's a pointless statement that you think has weight because your IQ is so low you can't imagine other people thinking differently.
>>723463694These billions are of deceptive value.
>is for the games industry to widely embrace the use of generative AINope, done reading.
>>723463641AI is a bubble that is about to burst. Video games suffered a similar bubble in the 80's.
>>723463694It doesn't matter in the context of "AI is le bad" because it's not going anywhere no matter what investors do. We're still going to see robots walking around in a few years and hundreds of millions of jobs are still gone and never coming back.
>>723463569>I have the suspicion that the increase in psx/lowpoly style indie games over the last few years has to do with the fact that AI art can be obfuscated by heavily pixelated it.Nah, that's just indie devs copying other indie devs who are copying other indie devs. The PS1 style is "in" and thus they do that in their game just to do it., with many of the devs having no experience with PS1 games and not at all hitting the aesthetic Same as mascot horror games booming after FNAF, it always happens. Just copying trends, and rarely with any real connection to what the trend is based in (you can be sure 90% of those devs copying mascot horror in FNAF have their reference pool for such a thing limited to....FNAF).Think of how many "Poolrooms" games there were in just the last couple of years. Such a specific thing and yet there were easily a dozen such games doing it, many of them with the same VHS tape filters.
>>723463760>I'm too SMART to get bored of this incredibly limited thing
>>723463786>herpa derp I'm talking adoption and usefulness. AI will be making video games too, hell it will be playing them.
>>723463818>of jobs are still gone and never coming back.Ever considered that they can be brought back by force, hmmm?
>>723463767Yes, that's what I said.
>>7234638902 more weeks
>>723463818>it's not going anywhere no matter what investors do.Uh yeah, it is going somewhere. Downward.Why do you keep saying "AI will still exist!" and holding that as equivalent to the absolutely insane and retarded bubble of literally trillions of dollars going around between companies, none of whom actually make a cent from AI technologies?
>>723463889>AI will be making video games too,No it won't.
>>723463937the truth hurts doesn't it
>Use AI for developmentOkay.>Invest more money into developmentHow? AI is doing the jobs of developers so where's the money going?>Bring back E3Oh I see, so he just wants to put even more money into marketing so they can do presentations at E3.
>>723463889AI is worthless creatively speaking. Its only possible practical use is in mundane, repetitive busywork.
>>723463950already is, they're just not good yet>>723463983I can taste your tears
>is for the games industry to widely embrace the use of generative AI as a standard part of their development tool setkekconsidering how slow and unoptimized everything is released these days, i'd say that's already going on
>>723463964>>723464015troll
>>723463694https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBCujAQtdfQShort sellers are going to have a field day when this scam and bubble pops. By the way, Playstation is also faking revenue, but everybody already knows that.
>>723464015>already is,Nope, 95% of companies report attempts to integrate AI failing miserably. Final 5% are scams that fail to even give a proper description of what their company actually does or sells.
>>723464020
>>723464089>>723463767That was my point. It's ALL bullshit.
Release bad gameMass layoffsRelease buggy gameMass layoffsWoke gameMass layoffsNon-woke gameMass layoffsGood gameBelieve it or not mass layoffs
>>723464105hahaha okay.
>>723455728AI is a complete grift that is largely ineffectual at anything other than replacing the most utter barebones entry level roles, and is utterly incapable of actioning meaningful changes or developing meaningful insights in any organizationlook at the recent deloitte scandal, look at how amazon has invested billions in AI and how there is quite literally nothing to show for it there's a reason why Apple has gone on record stating that they arent going huge into AI, and it's because it's vastly behind what people are purporting it to be able to do you cant even ask it to do basic shit without it going off on a complete schizophrenic tangent, anything complex it gets wrong outright, and people are expecting it to just drop in and replace jobs? it literally costs more money in licensing costs and constant babysitting than it does to just hire an entry level SOC analystany person in a position of influence that sees AI as ANYTHING other than a pump and dump equity scheme is genuinely a complete retarded monkey
>>723464140>Please devs come back I give you a bonus! I didn't mean it when I said you were obsolete!
>>723464207>video game dialogue market.Lmao another pajeet scam
>>723464220Just because someone invests a big number into a thing doesn't mean they are even investing correctly.
>>723464226useless metric
>>723464020heh, only 40%?i've got you one better, i present41%!!
>>723464271pajeet cope.
>>723447381He absolutely is. Dunno and dont care if the statement about "broken, beaten and battered" was from him, but if it was, he´s 100% talking about himself aswell but probably wont admit it ever. He´s part of the swamp but acts as if he isn´t.
>>723464370>Its got important names!>Just ignore the fact 95% of AI initiatives failed as per MIT studyKeep seething nigger. You're never escaping your hut.
>>723464195I should add, it's cheaper to fire experienced people and hire new graduates than to give your experienced workers a raises.
>>723464426The 5% are the relevant companies. 95% are irrelevant. Of course a coping retard would pay attention to what is irrelevant.
>>723464458Lot of tech companies hire lot of downright useless people too because higher amount of workers makes your company look bigger and more successful than it really is.
>>723464207>Market Size, Segments Analysis, Competitive Landscape, Regional Analysis, DROC & SWOT Analysis, Forecast OutlookIE literally nothing but speculative equity, no one is arguing that people are dumping trillions into it, the actual result in productivity gain are next to zero, this has been demonstrated across multitudes of industries for several reasons1. organizations current ERP systems are incompatible with whatever AI suite, and cost prohibitive to implement2. what solutions do exist (azure, copilot, development for in-house specific solutions, etc) are largely useless on their own and no transferable trainable dataset exists as every organization is different. think of training a junior and how many exceptions exist to the rule you just presented, AI is not capable of handling this globally across every individual specific application 3. it is more expensive in terms of licensing costs and man hours to babysit than it is to just hire someone into the role youre trying to replace
>>723464592You can see the result in productivity 24/7 on social media sites and you can use it yourself for free. Stop being delusional.
>>723464504>The industry itself is not relevant, now give money to my new experimental tiny company that makes 200% profits each month. I promise its not a scam I wouldn't lie to you!Believable.
>>723464020the dotnet developers are forced to use copilot in their pull requests consistently as an advertisement for the AI by Microsoft and it's the funniest fucking shit everhttps://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/115733literal humiliation ritual as they have to beg copilot to fix issues instead of actually just fixing it themselves
>>723464640you realize they are training the ai with that feedback right
>>723464617>Don't trust the company feedback and metrics, trust random social media posts.Oh yeah just take your financial advice from youtube comments, what could go wrong?
>>723463835Maybe you are right and I am getting paranoid. It just seems weird to me when I browse twitter and see multiple sub 100 follower accounts that post decent looking lowpoly models out of nowhere. >>723464207>2033>finally get TES6>This game requires a chatgpt subscription to be played>fuck>get a chatgpt subscription>Now you can endlessly talk to a generic npc while it goes through the same few canned animations on loop!>This is an immersive gaming experience. Isn't it amazing?grim
>>723464684You didn't even look at the study in the first place.>what could go wrong?You could end up like you, ignoring reality.
>>723464548You know what that sounds like?A well-thought out industry sabotage.Not unlike how Europe was denied access to cheap Russian gas, excellent trade relationship and the entirety of Russian market by its (((leaders))).The difference here is that the latter is more obvious.
>>723464721>You didn't even look at the studyWhat study? You just claimed that I should look for social media sites for proof that AI is working. Those same social media companies themselves are saying its not working and AI is reaching a bubble.
>>723464617You think public records are legit? Haha!
>>723464734both are covered in the fingerprints of ESG>>723464781>What study?wow you apparently have no reading comprehension too
>>723464548If the company says a job at a company needs doing, then it needs doing. It used to be that if you got a job as a high school or college graduate, you'd work at that job for the rest of your life.I don't make mirth of people losing their livelihoods. Some chick in marketing isn't breaking the company. The CEO that's taking home an even higher bonus that year is. Venture capitalists that are hollowing out video game companies are. Point your hate where it is supposed to go.
>>723464814You posted no study.
>>72346450495% of AI implementations fail because there is no benefit in productivity or margin after the fact. Accenture, a company already rapidly losing market presence and equity int the market choosing to fire 11,000 outsourced pajeets in favor of all of their domestic staff being forced to babyshit their new AI assistant in an attempt to jump on the AI bandwagon and attract investment doesn't mean it will promote a future benefit.
>>723464852Fucking hell you're retarded.
>>723464878>Pajeet ran out of arguments.Typical.
>>723464871coping
>>723447038>the biggest problem is that venture capital and investment banks aren't giving us enough shekelsLMAO
>>723464617Ask ChatGPT anything actually specific/nuanced and it will get it wrong majority of the time. AI "hallucinations" are a real thing and the only thing it is really good for is making consolidating lists of data for you to then independently fact check.
>>723464927Yes, companies are bandwagoning onto an expected future benefit in AI, of which data shows there is none. What you're posting doesn't demonstrate otherwise. These companies are effectively just gambling based on hype and what some retard in P.E. with a fancy slide deck is showing them.
>>723464932He's not wrong reinvesting profits in themselves is how businesses typically improve, VCs taking the profits for themselves and tossing back a few grains, doesn't do anything to improve beyond creating a slow death spiral.
>>723465000keep deluding yourself sir, in 2 weeks your job will return
>>723464927>See these people who bought into it? Thats proof that AI isn't a scam!
>>723465046>just keeps posting the same shit over and over k
>>723464927>>723465046Sorry man, your AI investment will crash just like your NFT wallet did. Maybe the next big tech hype thing will save you from being a penniless nigger.
>>723465152your point?
>>723465175My point is you're a clueless pajeet who doesn't understand how money works.
>>723465175https://youtu.be/fwD9EnCzujM here watch an easily condensed video for zoomers to identify the central point in this thread maybe this will aid you on your journey
>>723465025there's more money looking for any kind of returns right now than at any point in history, and these studios just keep flushing every shekel they're given down the shitterthis is like a man drowning in a freshwater lake complaining that he's dying of thirstit's so profoundly retarded that it's difficult to comprehend
>>723465223your job isn't coming back big boy
>>723464640kek
>>723465226irrelevant cope>>723465248there's more money invested into the most incredible technology humanity has ever developed and it's leading us into an incredible tomorrow.
>>723447038>Glomp Shnozelfieldwhomst?
>>723465271You never had a job to begin with, and never will have one. You will be a useless pajeet piece of shit living in a sewer in India for the rest of your worthless life.
>>723465384looks like I hit the nail on the headhe's seething now
>>723465347I wish I could post the incredible tomorrow, but this is a blue board (gay and underage)
>>723465418
>>723465441use catbox
>>723465248Tell me, who is in charge of studios? Who decides what studios are supposed to do, whether they have free reign or not? Who?
>>723465478>>723465441https://files.catbox.moe/60735x.mp4
>>723465478countrywide IP block
>>723465610litterbox, cross-board posting >>>/gif/29644468
>>723465571>who is in charge of studios?Dead Space Creator Glen Schofield
>ummmmm ackshully dead space wasn't actually good because he said an opinion I don't like about AIGet over yourself whiney losers. Dead Space rocks.
>>723465291kek, regex is about the only thing AI is good for though
But if AI is trained on artand all artists quitthan what will AI train on?
>>723465852AI is already trained It doesn't need retraining ad infinitum.
>>723465852its own curated output
>>723465916>>723465917So it will create the same thing forever?
>>723465951Any model can create basically an infinite amount of new art and there are like millions of models.
>>723465951If you just use 1 model you could say that but you can use many AIs working together.
>>723450675this. I wonder why we got so many sojbois here thinking that e3 was le based.It was a big ass advertisement for the upcoming releases, especially in the later years.We wont get the E3 back we got pre smartphone era so why even care about a glorified market event? For the cringe? Niggers we got cringe 24/7 on a daily basis.
>>723465951noyou can attempt a mashup of styles, or a bizarre subject/perspective/format which isn't strictly covered by some well-trodden tagit will likely fail to do this in the manner you desire for 95% of its outputyou take the 5% and use it as training material until you have a checkpoint which can reliably produce what you wantthese models are already at the point where a single piece of original art for a new character is enough to train them in that manner
>>723447038>I should spend less money paying actual people to do the work>You should give me more money anyway>Also bring back E3I can't argue with this logic
>>723458480>China and muttmerica>most intelligent countriesLamoing, both are perfect goy breeding grounds for compliant spineless vermin. Easily kept entertained and retarded, stuffed with cornsyrup. They share also the worst gov which spies on its own citizen in the name of preventing terrorism which is a euphemism for eleminating dissident opinions.Unironically, it's also where the modern cancer comes from.
>>723447038>The first and arguably most controversial step to take in Schofield’s opinion, is for the games industry to widely embrace the use of generative AI as a standard part of their development tool set.based and e/acc pilled.>Next up, Schofield believes that investors need to loosen their purse strings and start spending more on games development, as well as putting the right people in charge of each studio.good take but finding the perfect balance will be extremely hard. most western devs are left or far left leaning, they would rather risk their job by making unpopular woke trash to signal how they're on the right side of history than focusing on fun gameplay or something chuds would give money for.>Lastly, and perhaps most strangely given that he was presenting the opening keynote address at a rival games industry show, Schofield wished for the return of E3.another common sense take.
>>723465248>it's so profoundly retarded that it's difficult to comprehendmaybe he's pretending?
Can we change all managers and CEOs into AI instead?Never understood what those faggots do at work anyway and why it so expensive. Imagine how much money we can save and how much more efficient it will be. Head office building cost a fortune to rent. All the suits, expensive electronics and shit too. Seems like a perfect thing to get an AI treatment.Look at Borderlands 4, that games biggest problem is Randy Bobendy, Ai would have never done all the retarded emotional things like him.
>>723467027where are you from?
>>723459029You sound like a AI shill.The average human, who is able to detect soulless slop, will apply a filter to not have to see your soulless slop.Only people advertising for AI are human waste who cant understand, create or emulate soul therefor, AI content seems to be the same for them, nay, it may even seem as if it would be the peak of human creation (which is not, it´s copyright infrigiment but without a thought so it´s ok because because the elites, big players and corpos use it to amass wealth and not the common pleb)
>>723467682you're a delusional tranny
>>723467807yet i´m not the one defending transhumanism and low effort shit.
>>723467807if you say so dahjoot
>>723455728>
>>723468142you are though, trannies love low effort shit more than anything, and literal shit too
>>7234470381. Ok, but the AI shouldn't be used for media assets (art, music).2. Increasing the budget is the main problem, and we already know that a bunch of people working together make games. Three idea guys telling programmers what to do is not putting the right people for each studio.3. It will do nothing to save the industry as it is now.Battered, broken, beaten and betrayed!
>>723447038What is it with these retards that think they need a 5000 staff game company with a $1 billion budget to produce one slop title a decade? Indie studios have absolutely proven time and again that a staff of less than 20 people can still make a great product people want and will reap massive rewards for it. The days of the giga studio are fucking dead. They want their game studio to be like a fucking tech startup. They want to give keynote addresses and have a cult of personality, and none of that is going to happen anymore. That's what these fags don't want to accept.
>>723469864>Indie studios have absolutely proven time and again that a staff of less than 20 people can still make a great productyou just have bad taste
>the same crowd that lives off McD foodslime and ubereat jeet droppings cries about "sovl" and "muh art"This will never not be funny
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>>723463760No I don't do generealization nor I confuse different things together
>>723470878A lot of that looks already incredibly like AI. I guess it comes down to whether you have a unique style and an interesting subject at this point. I'm not really into digital art, as it always came off as replaceable right from the beginning. Poor faggots.
>>723463641In diffusion. It still won't do what it can't. Aka be creative and make your scribble intersting
>>723471310>proves you wrong
>>723465852Endless regurgitation of self referencing AI slop
>>723466606Slot machine
>>723471310>gaming design of the last 20 years and upcoming>"creative" or "interesting"Pick one Even those few lower-ranked monkeys that might try to do something new will 90% get told by their superior to knock it off with that pretentious bullshit and go make something that is proven to sell™
>>723447381Yes. Every aitranny is.
>>723470210found the AAA pissbaby>>723469864>What is it with these retards that think they need a 5000 staff game company with a $1 billion budget to produce one slop title a decade?Like dinosaurs, they followed a path that leat them toward beign bigger and bigger, and ultraspecialized. And look at what happeend to them
Most I'd ever use AI shit for in game dev is generating normal maps from a texture, for 'good enough' results to let me skip having to bake from a sculpt/model for trim sheets and shit.Frankly you could already do that to some extent (if it wasn't noisy detailed textures like soil or pebbles) via algorithms of ye olde times.
>>723471853That's another problem entirelyModern games are industril shit>>723471376>AssfaggotryAssfags are closeted gays
>>723464220>but I am SIX TIMES more efficient at my job with AI>how are you calculating that?>.....AI has come SO far....luddite!
>AI is so powerful you guys!>all the ai in vidya games is retarded or cheatingwhat's the point then
>>723464617>on social media sitesIn what regard?
>>723472527https://files.catbox.moe/5zjzyd.webm
>>723472283AI in games has literally nothing to do with what is being sold as AI to the masses right now.Also nailing that sweet spot of game AI is hard because you dont want it to be too smart/competent or too stupid.
>>723472032Not entirely, that part of 'biz' is IMO linked and overriding everything.My take on what "AI" will do to development?Instead of some teamleader letting the local dangerhair fujo loose and allowing her to write her Manbear-meat rape SI fanfic? Said fujo's job will now become to speed-read 200 pre-written fapfics that the AI regurgitates on her screen, and she has to swipe left on all of those that she doesn't like, just as she would with profiles on a tinder& cheap wine weekend.And after a winner is decided, she and her team will have to fix the all the logic mistakes of the last fapfic standing and tweak it in a "copy my homework but do not make it too obvious" approach.That last step will likely end up taking longer than if she had hand-written it in the first place for a good while, btw.
>>723472032stop projecting faggot
>>723447038>>The first and arguably most controversial step to take in Schofield’s opinion, is for the games industry to widely embrace the use of generative AI as a standard part of their development tool set.
>>723447038>>The first and arguably most controversial step to take in Schofield’s opinion, is for the games industry to widely embrace the use of generative AI as a standard part of their development tool set.This is true but first someone has to actually make the AI useful for game development. It's not very useful right now.>>Next up, Schofield believes that investors need to loosen their purse strings and start spending more on games development, as well as putting the right people in charge of each studio.Also true I guess? The funding part is less important than the leadership though. >>Lastly, and perhaps most strangely given that he was presenting the opening keynote address at a rival games industry show, Schofield wished for the return of E3.This is irrelevant.
>>723472861Ah, in the cruel war between activists and AI, I'm definitely on the AI side
>>723473053>fetishsit get angry and superdefensive when called outShut up african. the girl is on the other side
>>723447038Let me guess, "it's the customers that are at fault, not us devs/publishers/shareholders"
>>723473813Same Its not as if will the 'quality' of most shovel AA(A...) games suffer, and the very few case where the bossman does allow his people to try something exceptional or unseen before will stay just as rare as before.You luddite guys are not really telling me you think the ubiwoke or EA copy-paste games of the last decades were in any better than humans curating some automate designs would be?
>>723473872>faggot can't stop projecting
>>723474225>if you don't like deformed trannies you must like even more deformed ai tranniesGo catch a train, shitdeep.
>>723474312I wonder how many mangakas are using AI
>>723474202Quite the opposite, actually, he blames investors for not digging deeper on budgets and putting non-creatives in charge of projects. He also hates that companies stopped doing E3, arguing that the exposure to new ideas, technologies, and mechanics is integral to improving performance in games.
I can see the pros and cons of AI, including some use vs going all in, but I feel like many anti-ai types are artists who are super whiny no matter what.See historical events:>Easy access to art tools>Photography >Art schools>Digital programsEach time something came along, it was massive outcry by the artists.
>>723474312Can't even tell what are you tryng to prove. Your slot machine didn't create qhat you had in mind, just randomized something generally perttaining your prompt.AI cannot create or make anything coherentYou didn't make anything
>>723476075Which one of those automated and replaced the hand of the artistAI is not a tool
>>723476236>Your slot machine didn't create qhat you had in mind,yes it did or he wouldn't have posted it, retard
>>723476075>new styles of painting>new styles of sculptures>printing press>radio>film>color film>audio in film >records>cds>vhsall these made artists seethe
>>723476075>least obvious aitrannyIn addition to what the other anon said, all of those things produced something of value in less time and with substantially fewer resources and without filling the world with garbage. "ai" has been the worst return on investment of anything ever created in all of human history. And by an enormous margin.
>>723447141FPBP
>>723476615Lmao. You only made the scribbles. The rest is randomization that only vaguely confomr to your scribbles, not made by you. And it was nothign like whatever you had in mind.
>>723476945you're mentally retarded
>>723447038The reason I worry about the widespread use of generative AI in the hands of developers is that a lot of modern developers frankly suck ass at their jobs. While generative AI can potentially be trained into doing useful work, getting anything that isn't unusable garbage requires that you set the parameters very carefully, and even then, you can expect errors that require human review correction - and frankly, I don't think the current crop is up to double-checking an AI's output. In the end, most people pushing for the expansion of generative AI in the workplace seem to think it's a magic "do my job for me" button, and have no clue how it actually works.
>>723476736This is a side track but it's important to me.Analog to digital photography was huge for me because as a kid I had to make each photo count so I was very hesitant to take any shots. After digital became common, I loved going outside and taking tons of shots especially since I am involved in agriculture. But holy shit were the analog users whiny the whole way.Know someone is going to bring up smart phones vs dedicated cameras but to me I love both depending on the situation. Right tool for the right situation.
>>723477318so in other words, nothing will change except games will come out faster. but in reality AI will increase the quality of the work those hacks are doing, most probably
>>723477387Faster, yes, increased quality, no. AI output fucking sucks unless you know how to set rules that it understands, and even then, it'll ignore them from time to time.
>>723476985>extreme emotional reactionkek
>>723477318>The reason I worry about the widespread use of generative AI in the hands of developers is that a lot of modern developers frankly suck ass at their jobs.AI is already spammed by asset flip 3rd worlder "devs". So the slop creators were the first to adapt AI slop.
>>723447381>Tech illiterate redditor hates AIWew, you're breaking new ground here xister
>>723464220I use AI to generate boilerplate code and finish my pseudocode ramblings.I'm much more productive than before because I can also let AI document the code instead of wasting time on that.
>>723477890it's faster and higher qualityyou already admitted to the fact most devs are shit at their jobs. AI is better than people like this
>>723455728Based, just 2 more years and we ill be able to make our own vidya
>>723469312>AI>literally not the lowest of lows if it comes to effortsaar plesae
It is getting pretty hard for all media products to compete with streamers, video shorts, and mobile gacha.
>>723462150Every single one of these has its own high-value niche right now, today:>safari guide, hunted venison>DIY and Etsy crafts, associated media>artisan furniture, bespoke clothing, custom suits & gowns>GMO-free, heritage foods, Whole Foods>Teachers, instructors, programmers>Personal shoppers, real estate agents>Artists, custom coders and hackersLiterally every one of those examples still exists as a high-value niche, it's just that the niche is not very large. People pay far more for high quality food and clothes than crap from the supermarket and Walmart, there are zero High Net Worth Individual customer service businesses that rely solely on automated systems. Even the Etsy sellers are pulling an incredible ROI on their investment, turning trash into money with a near-infinite profit ratio.Dumb meme
>>723478669yeah but the shitty devs will also do a shitty QA at best which leaves the product being shit.And the other scenario is, that management wants to cut costs and gives the QA also to the machine, what could go wrong?the other anon is right, quality will most definitely not rise, it will be adjusted to the zeitgeist and we´re being condtioned over the last 3 decades or so that progress is always better, meanwhile quality of products, be it consumer goods, services or entertainment.We are being lied to that everythings better now but desu, products are not made anymore to be durable and robust, everything´s must be cheap now and easy to replace with a build in date of expiration. the same adujstments have already been made to the vidya industry, shit like day one DLCs & patches, early access, preferably at full price, there are always plebs who are ready to pay for nothing only to have some feel of exlusivity.look how bethesda is rotting on their own farts with their mindset that fans will save their games, two collossal fuck ups and people slowly start to being fed up by shit.we have a long way ahead of us before quality of products will be the main focus again.
>>723479502impeccable cope
>>723479824>yeah but the shitty devs will also do a shitty QA at best which leaves the product being shit.AI automatically reaches a higher standard because of RLHF. Firing the QA that currently exists is also a good thing obviously, because they're clearly shit at their jobs.
>>723473315>It's not very useful right now.Well, for a start, it could be used for writing. AI is certainly a better writer than Anthony Burch, cuckman, or the millennial trash writers often leading AAA slop factories. Other than that, AI could be used for brainstorming ideas, it’s the perfect tool for that. Later on, it will probably be trained and integrated into industry-leading engines, capable of doing a lot of heavy lifting and streamlining intense workflows. In biology and medicine, for example, they’ve already trained AIs for specific use cases, and the results are starting to show.
>>723480257Blizzard, hire this gay!read the next sentence in pirate software voice:>AI automatically reaches a higher standard because of RLHF.too bad that the HF in RL will be just AI.The standards set are also low but you couldn´t know about it since you save soulleslop on your drive and try to pose with it on a anonymous groping and marketing forum for autists.
>>723448952The main character looks like a mystery meat goblin, therefore I don't believe a single thing he's saying.
>>723481815This is such a shit argument. AI has already dramatically surpassed most if not all humans in video animation, it won't be that long until it does that in 3D too.
I tire of these pajeets.
>>723457296alright injun
>>723482432lmao
>>723482432animate all you like but a machine or a poojeet will never understand compostion, emotions and imperfections.You can save some time sure, but you will never emulate a artisan and his craft.
>>723485752>a computer will never understand these things it clearly understands
>>723447038JUST MAKE BETTER GAMES>putting the right people in charge of each studiois the only point there that will lead to this.
>>723447038>more slop>more gibmes>more cringe>Gamers: "Oh my GamerGate, gaming is saved!"Why are gamers so retarded? They lambast Tumblrites for getting their politics from Harry Potter while they get theirs from Japanese vidya and anime
>>723447038>Next up, Schofield believes that investors need to loosen their purse strings and start spending more on games developmentInsane. If you think the games industry is underfunded you're totally brainrotted.
>>723487935It's under-audited, if Concord is any indication. People need to keep track of whatever the hell they're wasting so much money on.
>>723447038>SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR THE SLOP WILL SAVE THE VIDYA YOU MUST REDEEEEEEEEEEM
>>723460038FTL devs are sitting on their huge pile of money and dabbling with whatever they want to doTheir followup game was pretty cool and completely different even if not nearly as interesting as FTL ultimatelyThey could make infinity+1 dollars by slopping out an FTL2 but they're actually based and just want to make new shit.
>>putting the right people in charge of each studioWe don't even manage to get the WRONG ones OUT. Those pests keep falling upwards/getting hired by their clique
>>723447038>Listing 3 of the exact opposite things of what would fix gaming.He might actually be a genius, crash this shit even further.
>>723455636>t. Filtered by Home Improvement: Power Tool Pursuit!
>Next up, Schofield believes that investors need to give him more moneyI see
>>723447038>Schofield wished for the return of E3.Oh shit I thought it was a bait thread.
>>723447038>Glen Schofield>Guy who ripped off every popular game at the time and managed to make exactly 1 decent game>Creator of the creatively bankrupt Callisto Protocol, the game with more braindead gameplay than The Order 1886>Thinks he has any room to talk about the state of gamesEither make Dead Space 4 or fuck off
>>723487935Exactly. Sony was making 18 live service games at the same time without a single successful live service. 18! They spent billions with no testing, no analysis, no basic common sense.The Insomniac leak showed Insomniac itself was asking to make smaller budget games with shorter dev cycles but Sony was mandating AAA spend.
>>723447038It's so wild that he has all these elaborate suggestions when the #1 complaint from people that play games (actual games) is woke bullshit and ugly women. Give gamers what they want, and they will buy your product. What the fuck is he even babbling about?
>>723447261Yes. It's the same retarded solution they try with public schools that has shown to make absolutely no difference. A talented, creative mind will make magic happen with a 5 cents and a taco. Money isn't the problem.
>>723447038>E3Spend more on advertising, when a 10 minute YouTube video have already proven more effective than a series of livestreams made for turbo nerds
>>723488810for start if will help us get rid of tranny artists and coders. we'll be able to hire a white dude with finished high school to replace them.
>>723450675E3 was great when consoles still mattered and were actually competitive against each other. But then the media convinced us that real competition was "anti-consumer" and all of gaming had to turn into a generic gray multiplatform blob and E3 became boring as fuck after that. And now it's useless anyway since it's faster and easier to just announce things on social media.
>>723447038>In theory, yes. In practice, some kind of retardation's coming out of it.>Nah, games need to have smaller budgets and scale so devs don't get blown the fuck out over their AAA project failing to break even after selling "only" 3 million copies in 2 weeks.>Maybe if you have personal financial investment in the AAA industry then sure, it's a huge spotlight. For consumers though, directs are way better methods of disseminating information and spotlighting small/mid level projects. So that's a "fuck no" from me.Overall, guy can go fuck himself. Half a practical idea at best.
>>723451278Also, get rid of the open world meme, lower the budgets for AAA games and invest the cash you've saved into more A and AA titles so we're not waiting 15 years for your studio's next game.
>>723457578Instead they just patent troll and sue their competitors so they don't have to make better games.
>>723455728Yeah let pajeets generate over 9000 AIslop games daily and sell those on steam
>>723447038He lost me already with the first point. If he wants to cheap out with AI then games better be $30 or cheaper.
>>723447261Krafton rushed the Callisto Protocol's production so they could look better on the fiscal year books. There was a lot of crunch. The game wouldn't have sold better though because people hated the combat but it would have been more polished and the team wouldn't have wanted to die.
