Reminder that piracy is not theft.
monsanto disagrees with this image.
planting apple seeds will get you a new variety of apple rather than clones of the original. you might get an apple tree that gives you tiny little tart apples with awful mealy flesh, or a tree that struggles to produce any apples at all. not the best plant to go with for this analogy! not to mention that apple trees take like 5 years to produce any fruit! you should have gone with peppers!
>>723462074if you apply this to gaming that means you coded it from scratch and waited about 5 years to get your appel
>>723462074This doesn't work since software piracy isn't taking a part of the original item, it's making a full copy of it, it would be like cloning the apple.
>>723462074>food analogy
>>723462074>taking seeds = making copiesholy LOL
>>723462074Okay but at which point does step 1 holds?No single digital media that has been shared through piracy has had it IP rights brought by anyone
>>723462074>anon now realizes why biotechnological companies try to remove seeds from produce
>>723462157shutup nerd
>>723462256People don't appreciate all the effort that megalomaniacal sociopaths put into conquering the world and destroying the future.
>>723462157You also got a nurture the tree and do SOME work on it to get it to survive, depending on climate and environment. Zero work other than clicking a torrent button is required in your analogy. Bad thread.
>>723462318people here would better understand the sentiment, if they ever created something in real life, investing years of making something new and unique just for a chinese to steal it within a month
>wait 10 years
>>723462467>i outsourced the manufacture of my product to a country with cheap labor, a strong culture of scamming, and no IP protections whatsoever, how did this happen to me???
>>723462074>physical vs digital>finite vs infiniteIf an apple, once grown, could be quickly duplicated en masse without any significant effort, you'd be wondering why are some retards trying to sell them.
>>723462592but enough about USA
>>723462074I don't give a rat ass if it's theft or not
>>723462074>piracy is not theftcorrect they are 2 different immoral actions, the same way manslaughter is not murder
>>723462467This is only an issue because you are working in a system where one side doesn't respect the IP indoctrination slop that you have been fed all your life.The most ardent champions of copyright are also often the most shameless thieves, because they know exactly how much more they can get by closing the door behind themselves. Nintendo got a lot of money out of exploiting the grey area of early software copyright or the lack thereof.
>>723462074>pirating seedsEnjoy your Monsanto.
>>723462074Monsanto is coming for your kneecaps, thief.
>>723462189But you're not allowed to do that either. Actually, they crack down on copyright more than piracy.
>>723462141This. Monsanto lobbied the US government to make sterile seeds.
Was redpilling the masses on monsanto the only thing those hippies did right?
>>723462074There are patent lawyers who think it is.
>>723462074>(4) get new apples>share with othersYou wtill have a legal problem doing this unless you only share them with immediate friends and family. Retailing food is a fucking nightmare and governments will fuck with you to no end. Produce in the EU needs to have a complete audit trail. Eggs have a barcode. No, not the package, the individual eggs. Same with lumber. It's actually illegal to build anything without barcoded, CE-marked lumber in the EU. You are completely hemmed in when it comes to sharing or selling simple stuff. USDA was fucking with people drinking milk from their own cows a few years back. Califaggots call in backyard chicken coops when they run away to other states, as if chickens aren't feral in some of those places anyway.What I'm saying, OP, is your food analogy holds up. Just not in the way you imagine. It is indeed just as hard and legally compromising to sell your own apples as it is to distribute copied software.Thanks for your attention to this matter.
>>723462074>US cattle cannot comprehend the concept of replanting seeds
>>723462157>planting apple seeds will get you a new variety of apple rather than clones of the originalOh so if I grab the original idea and make a different thing with it, that will be fine?>No, because that would violate Copyright Laws.Heh...
>>723463523You should only be allowed to eat if you obey the government. Serve or starve.
>>723463523>oh no, people are becoming self-sufficient >Let's make laws so building or growing anything without our endless amount of red tape is illegal you don't hate the government or corporations enough
>>723462074>buyered a stolen/pirated apple>no officer how would I have known>he moves on>steal 60-80 bucks of apples>petty theft, light fine Digital world really is fucked by corpos compared to the real one huh
>>723463843The government always knows what's best for you. You don't need free will.
>>723462074>seeds are bought a a part of the product>copying is not a part of the product>trees take a long time to grow>a lot of plants are cuttings and don't produce similar, let alone identical, offspring
>>723463216japanese plagiarized most of their tech in the 80s and 90s. But what exactly did Nintendo steal?inb4 the very concept of a game console
>>723462074wtf I love jehovah's witnesses now??
>>723463821ok china
>>723462592>don't outsource>still get tech thefted by bugmen>"This is your fault"
>>723463843>>723463934>oh not the ebul gubberment stoppping my country from looking like India
>>723462157I learned something new today, thanks anon.
>>723462074Fruits and vegetables literally come with DRM these days.The batches grown for sale are genetically tampered to contain infertile seeds.Look it up if you think I'm kidding.
>>723464024If the government wants to torture everyone to death, the government should be free to do so. The government is always right. Trust the government. Die for the government.
>>723462217don't forget livestock as well. if your animals have naturally gained immunity to an illness, you are denying business to your friendly neighborhood pharmaceuticals giant, and the government will kill the animals on their behalf.
>>723462157Based pepper farmer. My peppers are still producing this late, zone 7. Just had some homemade hot sauce on a sandwich today. The seeds came from peppers I got at the store. Imagine not pirating FREE food. It's the CreamAPI of vegetables, you buy the base pepper then get several bushels of DLC peppers for free.
>>723463843it's not just because people can be self-sufficient it's because boomers wants to feel safe so they pushed for more ridiculous bureaucracyhere in finland to even be able to work at something like mcdonalds you need a valid hygiene passport that costs 50 bucks to take
>>723463843>I should be able to cut costs and sell eggs laid in dogshit unsanitary conditions, from chickens fed the zoggiest of slop and risk giving tens, hundreds or thousands of people severe food poisoningSo true!
>>723463523Retailing food should in fact be a nightmare. Once you introduce the profit motive all bets are off. From experience with meat-packing plants I can tell you that if the inspector doesn't show up none of the rules are followed. Literally sweeping shit under the rug for the day he comes by. This is the norm WITH the totalitarian rules. Now imagine buying joe blow's backyard "chicken", do you really think he's gonna make sure it's healthy out of the goodness of his heart? Do you think he's gonna dump contaminated produce, or will he say "fuck you I got mine" and spread pathogens and pests all over the place? etc. etc.Share your food, great, have the biggest garden in the world. But once you start selling for profit you deserve to be under a titanic fucking microscope
>>723463976I have no idea what that guy's talking about. It was Atari that ripped off Nintendo and started releasing unofficial games.
>>723462074Piracy is only based if you don't try to justify it
Try doing this with most comercially sold fruit.They're engineered to either not be fertile or to be a lot shittier than the one you ate.If you only knew how bad things really are.
>>723462157ywnbaw tranny dilate
>>723465093you will never grow a honeycrisp
>>723464494In a true Capitalist society everyone will be able to sell eggs if they so desire without any restrictions and you will thrive if your product is the best price to quality ratio.If people want to eat turd eggs from diseases chickens let them, if they want a quality product they will instead spend the money for that product... or, God willing, they can simply buy their own chickens and handle their own egg production, buying extra eggs when and if needed.If the masses are too stupid to not consume poison they are genetic dead ends anyway and should die as a result of their mental inferiority.
>>723464185Everyone who isn't rich is livestock.
>>723465482>guy sells good eggs>gets a lot of money>instead of investing into making better eggs he pays some thugs to break the other eggsellers wares and stands>starts cutting costs to get a higher gain for his wares>egg quality goes to shit but since the competition has been taken care of everyone has to buy his rancid ass eggs
>>723465482A true capitalist society is a race to the bottom to find out how much sawdust the food manufacturer can add to corn chips without the buyer noticing. Or how much lead can I add so the damage shows up in 30 years when I've already rug pulled everyone and not in 3. Because the objective is profit maximization. If your only argument to not being able to test your own food independently for heavy metals is "skill issue" you're never going to see power in your life.
>>723465812>Lord Moloch laughs as a good thing is ruined out of sheer spite and greed
>>723465907A true capitalist society is one that sacrifices the entire world on the altar of pointless greed. And that's exactly what's supposed to happen! It is our destiny to destroy ourselves. Humanity craves the end.
>>723462074Trying to forcefully control piracy is genuinely retarded because it hasn't worked. Ever. Troonuvo is a complete failure which only screws genuine customers in products pirates don't even want to touch, companies suing piracy websites have to deal with twenty more appearing per one they take down, piracy is so easy there's a literal subleddit where even the dumbest retards go do it freely. Gaben was right, either provide a better service than pirates do or get fucked sideways.
>>723465812>pays some thugs to break the other eggsellers wares and standsYou know what's funny, your scary monopoly tale has never happened in any industry due to lack of regulation, yet it has happened without exception in the most regulated industries like alcohol (during prohibition) and now in the drug trade, really should make you think.
>>723465956>pointless greedGay race communism of living in kumbaya forever is pointless too. Every single system is internally consistent but ultimately meaningless.
>>723466519Communism is less than pointless, it's an objectively treacherous ideology made by people who want to exploit others by selling them utopian bullshit about never having to work again only to then enslave them once their backs are turned. Capitalism is corrupt but it doesn't compare to anything derived from Marx or Bakunin's bullshit
>>723462074Since Walmart forces me to scan and bag my own groceries, I liberate at least 3 items as compensation every time.
>>723462157>mfw my guava tree finally grow big enough to produce juicy guavasWorth the wait
>>723466434Yeah because the two examples you mentioned are with substances that cause chemical dependency and its "consumers" HAVE to consume the product. Also name me one scenarion with zero regulation in any market. Free market retards like you are as retarded as communists.
This thread was made by Eric. He's a snoy and massive piracy shill that's been spamming /v/ with anti-Nintendo pedaling for a good decade, he's a weekly villain in Famitsu threads and he reports them over and over for calling him out or for spreading facts he thinks needs to be hidden from /v/ (namely sales of Nintendo hardware and software compared to PlayStation and Steam Deck).If you see posts saying Sonic CrossWorlds is better than Mario Kart World, it's Eric. If you see posts saying GameCube games are better than Switch games, it's Eric. If you see the same anti-Nintendo threads popping up over and over, it's Eric. If you see the same posts shilling piracy and emulators, it's Eric. If you see someone denying the existence of Eric and calling him a made-up boogeyman, it's Eric. If you see someone unironically using terms like "tendies" or "Switchfags" and making hyperbolic statements, it's Eric. If you see a red OP image with a Nintendo-related thing, asking some dumb open question, it's Eric. If you see the same repeated lines over and over again, it's Eric samefagging. If you see a massive wall of replies to one post, it's Eric samefagging himself, they'll all be a minute apart. He's always resetting his router and ban evading, and flooding the catalog, and he's got at least a few gigabytes of CP to end any thread that isn't going his way.He's also a massive GameCube fanboy that was so buckbroken by BotW's commercial and critical success that he's determined to make it the most despised game in history, he wants to change the narrative and erase the perceived damage against him.
>>723468428can't have a single thread without some tendie meltdown
723469310Oh fuck off, Eric.
>>723468428Why the fuck are Nintendofags and Sonyfags engaging in pointless warsAll consoles suck ass, most PC games nowadays suck ass, gaming in general is awful except old games. Grow up you subhuman niggers
>>723462074no since you now own the seeds
>>723462074
>>723464779So, what you're saying is, the food from that meat packing plant was perfectly fine even if they weren't following the totalitarian rules 99% of the time. Think about what you just posted for a moment.
>>723464147This, that analogy is so obsolete.You can't buy apples you can grow at home.
>>723462074This would actually be more akin to reverse engineering. You get the finished product, you extract the source code, and then you can redistribute that in a form that can be grown back into the finished product. That's something that's entirely legal to do, even if companies will try to strongarm you into stopped (e.g. GTA getting reverse engineered, the repo getting slapped, repo goes back up because legally they can't fuck with reverse engineered code)
>>723462074pretty sure most of the fruit you buy at stores has been sterilized and will not produce new plants
>>723462074Sex with the cashier.
Can i get your social security number, I'll just get a copy but you keep the original
>>723464024I want to note for a moment that I just looked it up and the Indian government has 20,000,000 employees and an annual budget of $600,000,000,000They've got one of the strongest nationalization policies outside of the communist world, their government having seized direct ownership of the country's largest bank, airline, oil company, insurer, etc.
remember that game companies stealing your data and selling it is perfectly fine and legal
>>723466939The trick is just to get a double of something you were already paying for. I get an extra tin of anchovies every time I go shopping
Piracy is not theft, and the people who created this marketing campaign know that. They only used the word "theft" because they wanted to make an impact and try to discourage the most impressionable people from pirating. They could have said that piracy is a sin, and the result would have been exactly the same.
>>723462074Just fyi this is the reason most of the produce you can buy at the grocery store is seedless. The strain of plant that is cultivated is actually bred intentionally by a corporation, who owns the intellectual property to that particular variety. Farms typically pay for the right to plant the seeds of a particular strain, or else make their own knockoff strain that's similar enough while being legally distinct.Most produce is deliberately bred to be seedless, or make the sees vestigial and not viable for new growth, to make it more difficult to 'steal' the strain. Produce you can grow in your own backyard are inherently less profitable than those which only the soulless and hubristic biotech mega-conglomerate monopolizes. This is why the "health" industry constantly shills exotic garbage like bananas and avocado at you.
>niggers stealing so much shit irl, stores have to close down>leftroons: ...>people pirate a few games, game companies making record profits every year>leftroons: REEEEEEEEEE STOP STEALING FROM BILLIONAIRES
Piracy IS theft, don't kid yourself. I just don't give a shit when I do it.
>>723462402>this technology makes things efficient>therefore using it is now theft
>>723472196Yeah forget about all the studios that closed in the last 4 decades especially PC only developers
>>723472396yeah concord flopped because people pirated it...
>>723472196Pirates mostly leftoids though
>>723472396>forget about all the studios that closed in the last 4 decades forget that the percentage of that is literally null compared to developers bought out by Microshitter, EA and UbicrapKys faggot
>>723462157>he knows
>>723472438Retard logic>>723472485They got bought out cause their sales were down cause of piracy
>>723472196Then whistleblowers blew the lid on the whole thing and it turned out that the reason big retail stores were failing was due to millions upon millions of dollars they were forced to pay out every year in court settlements and punitive damages for wage theft and that they were inventing a fictional shoplifting boogeyman and spending millions more turning their shops into prisons on a colossal propaganda campaign to obfuscate the real cause of their financial decline and protect the reputations of the CEOs that presided over their ruin.
Your heads would spin if you actually spent more than a minute reading into the intricacies of copyright law, and how absolutely absurd it is. Here's a quick little rundown:>you're not allowed to download a copy of a game from the net for any reason, even if you own a copy, because "they're not authorized to distribute it">you're not allowed to make your own backup because you can't circumvent DRM or encryption or even basic copy protection, thanks to the DMCA>you may not modify your own copy of the game, as this violates the EULA and unless you can spend a few million dollars fighting it in court, it's copyright infringement and it's illegal>even using mods to fix a broken game is illegal, unless you receive permission from the company
Piracy is the only hope for genuine game preservation. There is literally nothing morally wrong with pirating video games
>>723462157Piracyjeets btfo
>>723472638Fascinating!Where can I read more about these "whistleblowers"?
Don't care, I want to have sex with mob-faced girls (especially the brown one)
>>723472804Not my job to educate you
>>723462074>hundred replies >op still irrefutable
>>723472638>fictional shoplifting boogeymanleftroons will do anything and everything to defend niggers
>>723462074Correct. It is software piracy. That is still illegal.Has some fucking conviction in your life. Accept the reality that your reactions are not legal but remain justified according to your ethics.
>>723462402That's not what he meant
>>723472657>"they're not authorized to distribute it"That's a they problem, not a you problem. You aren't liable for a product you receive from an unlicensed distributor. They're liable for distributing it.This is one of the main reasons enforcement of anti-piracy laws have always been so toothless. They're forced to chase after distribution centers hiding away on disposable servers outside of their legal jurisdiction instead of just making examples of random white people in america like the music industry tried to do in the 2000s.>you're not allowed to make a copyYou are in fact allowed to make a copy, and encryption can't prevent you from making a copy. DMCA explicitly guarantees your right to make a private-use copy digital copy of any media stored on your harddrive which you have purchased ownership of. Services like Netflix use various tricks and sleight of hand to keep their data on your harddrive for as little time as possible in the hopes the average user doesn't realize what's going on.>EULAEULA's are not legally binding and have never, ever been successfully used in court as a binding contractual agreement. This is where a lot of copyright and piracy enforcement collapses, because technically legitimate copies are distributed with consent but without legally binding agreements limiting their use. Even bans issued on the basis of violating ToS have been successfully overturned in court in the past--though the economics of doing so is questionable. You don't sign any of your consumer rights away by clicking a checkbox labelled "I Accept" when activating a steam key.>modsCopyright laws have nothing to say about mods. Some mods can straddle a grey area or cross an explicit line when their download distributes assets that the mod creators do not own, but simply editing game files or introducing new, original assets to a game is not covered under any actionable copyright law.This post is not legal advice.
>>723470521that's not the reasons you can't grow identical apples from seed. companies do make hybrids that come with infertile seeds for exactly that reason, but that's not what they're doing with apples. so when you want to make a new variety of a fruiting plant, you take two different types of the same plant, let's say a ghost pepper and a bell pepper, you take a flower from one and rub its pollen over the pistil of the other, basically artificially inseminating it. you have to do more shit to make sure it works, but that's the simple explanation. so lets say you rub ghost pepper cum onto the vagina of a bell pepper. the pepper that grows will still be a completely normal bell pepper, but its seeds will grow into a plant that's a mix between the two.apple trees need to be pollinated by a different tree, and usually a tree that's a different type of apple. most other fruiting plants can be pollinated by pollen that comes from the same plant, so we have to go out of our way to create hybrids, but with apples (and a few other fruiting trees), their seeds are inherently hybrids.
>>723463609This actually (kind of) also applies to apples because most seed varieties are patent protected.
>>723473392>That's a they problem, not a you problem. You aren't liable for a product you receive from an unlicensed distributor. They're liable for distributing it.Funny thing, I found a loophole in the law that circumvents this entirely. See, the reason you can't download from them is because they're not "authorized to distribute backups". However, in section 117 of the law, it says "you or someone you authorize" may make a backup of the software. Just a funny little thing of note.
>>723462157I guess you can change the metaphor to buying a tree and taking a graft off of that tree to make a new tree
>>723462157>!>!>!
>>723462074God you third-worlders are so fucking ignorant.
>>723468428Is Eric in the room with you right now?
>>723473718I think seed patents are only for commercial growers
>>723462074It's literally illegal in the US to do this.
>>723474135This. It's literally illegal for farmers to replant seeds from the plants they grow. Granted the farmers are SELLING the products from those seeds instead of spreading it around for free
>>723474309They're not even allowed to keep it for free. Most farmers are ordered, by the government, to burn about 50% of their crops. It helps maintain prices in the supermarkets.
It's astonishing how many bootlickers there still are after all the bullshit our government does every single day.
>>723474434I'd like to see proof on that. seems retarded for the government to give farmers subsidies only to make them destroy what they grew
>>723474757The law apparently is no longer in effect, but here you go.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Adjustment_Act
>>723475098>fdr ended the gold standard and reduced agricultural surplusesIt's becoming more and more clear.
>>723474670Enjoy the arc de trump
>>723466434what kind of facebook tier quote bullshit is this?>think about it>it's literally trueif you take it apart, there is some point to be had but if you go around posting low quality shit like this on the tier of "it do be like that so deep" i have no reason to respect your opinion in any shape whatsoever
>>723462157So in that case change the hash of the binary before uploading to pirate bay. Problem solved.
If piracy is legal, what would be the incentive for game developers to put their time and effort into developing games?Sure, there might be some passion projects like dwarf fortress, or some backers founded indie games, but anything bigger than that would be pretty much impossible.
>>723475734Jew
>>723475734>Bro what's the point in showing that I'm the best trackstar ever if I'm not getting by bumhole filled with hookers and blowAnyway, bolt is certainly getting his hookers and blow
>>723475734it's already proven file sharing doesn't take away from sales.
>>723475734Sounds exactly how art worked across the history of humanity.a) people who have a muse up their ass that have to get their idea outb) people paid by a patron to create something
>>723462074I'd pay the apple tree for its fruits if I could. How the fuck am I supposed to compensate a tree?
>>723463843>the bureaucracy must expand to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracyneck yourself
>>723475353too bad he wasn't an ounce of teddy
>>723475937art has always been sponsored by the people in power.Transferred to today, it would mean that the only high budget games we'd be getting would be government propaganda.
>>723462074Planting seeds without the copyright holder’s permission is actually illegal.And yes, you can legally own the fucking DNA of plants.
>>723462074>>723462141>>723462157>>723463609>>723473718>>723474135Apple trees are usually grafted, not grown direct from a seed in the conventional sense. The reason apple varieties are so consistent is that they will take branches off of a mature tree and transplant it onto the sapling of another tree. When you see your favorite apple at the store, it basically came from a clone of a tree that's been cloned for hundreds of years.
>>723476374I air layered my cherry tree this summer. it was a fun process
>>723474194>>723474309>>723474434It'll be a moot point when the corporations buy out all the farmland and those farmers are working on land they used to own themselves. Anyone who happens to be growing a certain legume by the name of Glycine max is already fucked.
>>723462205Cloning the apple wouldn't be theft either
>>723476374Just like how all bananas you see in supermarkets are the same bananaAnd it's actually a problem because those bananas don't have seeds, and are pretty vulnerable to fungal blights
>>723462074Wait a second I recognize this artstyle. Isn't this the same Jehovah's Witness schizo who made all those religion and anthropology drawings?
>>723464024>oh not the ebul gubberment stoppping my country from looking like IndiaOur governments and the jews and corporations they serve are flooding the USA and EU with Indians as we speak
>>723464024You mean the government that is importing boatloads of Indians each day?
>>723464779joe blow would probably be in a smaller operation which allows him to have higher quality rather than a big conglomerate who’s massive operation prioritizes profits and speed would be more willing to be negligible if they can save a dollar. and if either arent willing to practice basic food hygiene, they just grew in a society that let them be morally lax which is a greater problem that enables one that also needs tattle tales to keep anyone from mixing eggs with shit
>>723472638I don't think small Mom & Pop grocery stores and gas stations are making millions and millions of dollars, anon...
>>723473113rightroons will do anything to defend the honor of the companies stealing their wages lmao
>>723477818Didn't know wallgreens was a mom & pop store lmao
>>723478526>only wallgreens [sic, kek] is getting shut down
>>723478603>please think of lil poor walmart anon!
>>723465751The most accurate post in this thread, sadly.
>>723462074sex with this bitch
>>723462074 if you paint someones house for them and they don't pay you is that theft?
