That's when you turned 18

>>723497830
Gen 3 was lame. Gen 2 was a massive step up from 1, but Gen 3 had no appeal. I used to play religiously, but I quit when Gen 3 came around.

>>723497830
Because Gen 1 and 2 Pokémon were not transferable to Gen 3. Everyone's progress was effectively for nothing so most people quit the series.

Because the gen 3 games overcomplicated a charming formula by adding mechanics nobody asked for.

I got Pokemon Crystal two weeks early cause the girl at KB Toys put it on sale too soon.

>>723498054
This. Gold Silver Crystal actually introduced massive changes from R/B/Y. Even something as simple as animated sprites was a game changer.

Meanwhile Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald was just... more of the same. No "real" massive changes.

>>723498071
This is the answer.

>>723498429
What's worse is they took away the night/day cycle, but added "farming" for berries, a feature nobody wanted and certainly nobody liked.

>>723497830
Part of it is that such an all-consuming fad was eventually going to burn out no matter what, especially when other stuff like Harry Potter came along to steal their target audience's attention. But it's also because of how poorly everyone involved handled gen 2.
Gold/Silver had a disastrous development cycle, took forever to come out and didn't emphasize the new region and Pokemon enough, instead choosing to jerk off Kanto some more and be a glorified expansion pack, which gave the impression that Pokemon was resting on its laurels and already out of ideas.
The anime staff got the plot yanked out from under them so it could be turned into a movie instead. But the movies started flopping so hard that eventually they had to stop doing theatrical releases. Meanwhile the TV series was stuck spinning its wheels with boring-ass filler episodes for years on end and couldn't compete with Yu-Gi-Oh.
If you go back and look, you'll see that the games' sales actually started falling off a cliff with Crystal. It was gen 2 that stalled the series' momentum, not gen 3.

>>723497830
It died between the lull of 2 and 3. There was a 3 year gap between GS and RS where there was just nothing going on with the brand.
Younger fans still cared but older fans moved on because Johto was an awful show and a lot of gen 2 mons kinda sucked. The few cool things weren't enough to keep interest and neither was crystal.

>>723498429
>double battles
>an actual post-game
>first ever high stakes story
>cutscenes
>full color for the first time
>battle frontier
>best music in the series
>cutest rival
>easily rematching trainers
>gym leader rematches
>abilities
>contests
>useable pc box sorting system
>dive mechanic

>>723498762
Forgot to mention that the TCG also had a hard time competing with Yu-Gi-Oh and TPC ended up having to revoke the license from Wizards and start handling it all themselves to keep it afloat.

>>723498054
>>723498071
>>723498090
>>723498612
>>723498793
good answers
>>723498762
obligatory retard post

>>723497830
Gen 3's pokemon designs were bad and the world was boring (most of it being water)

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>>723498949
Also the music was pretty terrible and repetitive, and among other games coming out at the same time, the art direction was severely lacking. Pokemon should have been ripped out of GameFreak's hands after this generation.

>>723498071
This.
>new gen is on a new console
>new console is reverse compatible with older console
>previous gen already demonstrated you can import older pokemon despite changes in mechanics
>everything you need is already there
>don't do it
Complete laziness on their part.

>>723498054
I didn't like it much either. Nothing went full tard yet, but it definitely killed off pokemania. The anime also dropped misty and takeshi for gen 3, the cards felt worthless, and it all just felt over.

>>723498429
Gen2 nostalgia fags try not to be extremely biased and intellectually dishonest challenge : Impossible

>>723497830
>why did..
It didn't the second and third most selling pokemon games of all time are less than 5y old you stupid nigger. Stop trying to push your retarded agenda. Gen 3 totaled over 35 million sales to date. I can't stand you annoying faggoty genwuners who are obsessed with what is objectively one of the worst in franchise. 1 and 2 were good for their time. Now they're unironically worse than romhacks.

>>723499537
I know pokemon is terrible but we dont need to start pretending golden sun is good esepcially with its ugly cgi graphics.

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>>723499737
Gen1/gen2fags when you tell them the real Pokemania was pokemon Go which has had more people play it than all the other games combined, for just google play store.

>>723499567
Except it wasn't. The retards at Nintendo made it so that GBA games weren't backwards compatible with the GBC's link cable, even though the hardware itself was. So Game Freak was just shit out of luck.

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>>723500301
Golden Sun looked fine. I just didn't want to post the obvious games people always post to prove Gen 3 looked like shit, like Minish Cap and Metal Slug.

>>723498807
High stakes are gay. I'm a kid chucking $1 sportsballs and collecting bugs while practising my sport. I don't care about saving the world.

>>723498071
TPBP. Gen 2 only managed to carry the torch because you could go back to kanto, even if it was significantly gimped to fit on the cart.

>>723499947
Do you know what pokemania is? That's when real CHILDREN fucking ate slept and breathed pokemon (not 30yo sex pests). Every kid had customized binders of cards, all the games, toy pokeballs and keychains withe the mons in them, including the shitty ones from BK kidsmeal. Had the pajamas and bed sheets, and saturday mornings were a ritual watching WB while eating pokemon fucking cereal.

>>723497830
Pokemania was dead by 2002. R/S didn't release until 2003.
For some perspective, the 2nd pokemon movie (lugia) predates it by 4 years. People were starting to tap out by the celibi movie (4) if not earlier, which still predates R/S release by a year.
Fucking 9/11 predates it by 2 years.

>>723497830
Because you didn't gave a gba

>>723498762
>and didn't emphasize the new region and Pokemon enough
This is what people say when they weren't there. There was no "THIS region has THESE new Pokemon in it" shit. GSC were essentially Pokemon 2. You were gonna find new Pokemon as well as old favorites, and you didn't give a shit because they looked different and in-color, unless you played the Stadium games at least.

RSE set the standard for what a new gen and a new region entailed, and that was not the case and did not exist in gen 2. Gen 2 has its own flaws, but holding it to a standard that didn't exist does nothing.

>>723500652
>pokemon was making a lot of garbage
Yes I was alive then I had the shitty top toys from BK I had seen all the school supplies and all of that shit still sells today. Pokemon is objectively more popular today than ever. No matter how badly you want to cope and pretend it's not true. Pokemon is a 100 billion dollar IP now and it was not back in 1997. I do not care for your or anyones nostalgia I lived through the game releases the shows first season as it aired and that changes nothing. Just because YOU fondly remember an inferior product does not make it better.

>>723500727
Most people definitely checked out after the entei movie. Making the guy who wrote the first three movie rage quit, because you changed the ending without his permission was a monumentally stupid move. One that I hope they still regret to this day.

you can the people were never around for pokemania by the way they rely on individual game sales

>>723500979
This whole post is actually what people say when they weren't there. I was there and there was a ton of excitement about the prospect of a new batch of Pokemon. That waiting period between gens 1 and 2 was when the fakemon community got started with all those rumors of "Pikablu" and "the PokeGods." Then the games finally came out and it was mostly the same Pokemon as before shoveled down your throat at every turn while the new ones were like finding a needle in a haystack. And the new region was cut in half so they could rush you back to Kantooooo as fast as possible. In hindsight, it's not hard to see why kids got bored and moved on to Harry Potter or Yu-Gi-Oh. Those actually felt fresh and new.

feel so so bad for little zoom zooms not being able to play those first two rows on release
youll never witness hype like that little zoom zooms

>>723497830
Things weren’t the same after 9/11

>>723501084
Wait what was the original ending? Entei movie was kino overload and unironically the best of all pokemon movies(I watched the first 12-14ish a few years ago)

>>723498807
>double battles
>high stakes
>cutscenes
>battle frontier
>best music (LMFAO)
>rematch trainers and gym leaders
>abilities
>dive
yeah, all shitty things that made the games worse

You can tell these people were never around for pokemania the way they repeat arguments from nostalgia

>>723498054
Gen 3 blew my mind. That shit was beautiful. The amount of content as well felt insane. I can't choose my favorite from the first 3 gens

>>723500727
oh yeah, when i randomly saw the celebi movie in a blockbuster one day, no theater release or hype or anything just a shat out straight to vhs movie, even 11 or 12 year old me knew this shit was over

>>723499602
>misty and takeshi
I've genuinely never seen anyone only go halfway on using the dub names before

>>723501463
I played the shit out of gen 2 and had both Silver and Crystal. Everyone around here played them. Nobody was upset because they encountered gen 1 mons. Gen 2 was still on the cusp of the schoolyard rumor shit where you tell your friend that you headbutted a tree and found a Heracross. Yeah, a lot of the mechanics and locations of the new Pokemon are tedious nowadays, but the point was to discover shit and tell your friends. Or use a guide I guess.

>>723501002
>Pokemon is objectively more popular today than ever.
>supposed to be popular when kids don't even play it
Pokemon can't even compete with minecraft now. The nostolgiafags are the only ones funding the slop.

>>723501778
The Celebi movie was specifically the one they fucked over Johto's anime for, BTW. Entire years of the anime banished to filler hell for THAT.
The people who insist that nothing related to their precious Johto could possibly be at fault for Pokemon's downturn are just blinded by their nostalgia.

>>723501839
If it's for kids why do grown men come here everyday and never shut the fuck up about how great it is. Especially gen 1 and 2? Niggle me this.

People can only take so much grindshit

>>723501474
zoomers have nothing to really call their own or any hype moments in their upbringing
older generations had the rise of film and rock music, music stars like michael jackson etc. us millenials or 90s kids or whatever you call it experienced the rise of video games from 8 bit to 3D to online etc.
Pokemania
Star Wars
Halo
LAN parties
cartoon netolwork and nickleodeon at rheir peak
slime time live
skateboarding
jackass
yearly releases of major AAA games

like pick and choose which you personally liked or didnt, but zoomers instead have pokemon 10 generations after it became stale, 1 AAA game release every 4 years and lucky if its not woke and/or dogshit, disney star wars era, fortnite, mumble rwpz and ....?

i kinda feel bad for them

>>723501463
that anon was right, its pretty evident you werent around back then.

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>>723497830
Because Gen 2 was soul and a linear progression from Gen 1. We got older and as a result the game got more mature. Then Gen 3 came along it and it reset everything. Not only the Pokemon and the region, but also the setting. It was targeting kids.
That cycle repeated for every gen from then on btw. The games got easier and was targeting even younger audiences. Now it's for literal pre-toddlers and fetuses.

That's why we stopped playing Pokemon and got into other games.

>Pokemania was fueled by the games
No, it was the Anime and merchandise, the games have always been a secondary product

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>>723497830
children yearn for the day-night cycle

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Pokemania was already out of the door by the time Gen2 rolled around
GS weren't even remotely as popular as RBY were. Neither was the TCG nor the Anime.
This infatuation with Gen 2 is all historical revision by kids who were born after 2000

>>723502434
>the games have always been a secondary product
This is true, even if it's incomprehensible to the average /v/irgin.
It's also the reason why the anime has become higher quality over time while the games have turned to shit.

>>723497830
It arguably died halfway through Gen2, not Gen3. And it's because by then, the kids who were in elementary were in middle school and much like anything from when you were younger, it became uncool. Like most fads. The kids still playing in Gen 3 probably went on to play pokemon for the foreseeable future, because they were also gamers in general. The rest of the kids who grew up with pokemania didn't touch a new pokemon game until they were in college with X and Y where somehow it became "cool" again. Strange phenomenon but a lot of my friends mentioned noticing the same thing at their colleges.

>>723502434
That wasn't true for Red and Blue. Everyone had the games and they wanted to watch the anime and buy the merch because of the games. I know this because I was actually there. This whole merchandise-driven empire that is the Pokemon franchise didn't exist in the beginning. Everything spiraled out from the two games back then.

https://youtu.be/QyEPPNCLnAk
kino

>>723502084
i am the anon you replied to but youre getting stupid now. gen 2 and johto were great. the orange islands and johto anime were excellent, the new pokemans teased in pre movie shorts like pikachus journey or whatever (even in the 1st movie a bit iwth donphan, etc) raised hype through the roof. wed go on dial up internet just to find shittt jpgs of pikabou and other new mons and print them out before grtting yekled at by frienda dad for wasting color ink.

it was the nonhype and apathy everyone had for the celebi movie and generally everyone had moved on by the time gen 3 came out. even young kids were able to see the milking at that point. oh theyre just going to keep making new pokemon, and these designs look like shit, and we cant even transfer our old pokemon from old games?

the end of gen 2 into gen 3 was the end of pokemania. i know it upsets you, i know you personally like gen 3 and thats ok, but theres a reality you need to accept.

im still a sucker for kingdom hearts, even 3 and the mobile games. but im deluded enough to think its in the same place it was back in the ps2 days

>>723502569
Does anyone think they would have got into pokemon if they didn't get brainwashed by the anime? It was quite the novelty for the time, Misty was many's first waifu before they knew what that even was.

I remember literally asking
>Does it have the old islands like G/S
“no”
>then fuck that

>>723498054
The best way I can put it is that every mainline game Gen 3 and onward feels like a soft-reboot. Gen 2 felt like an actual sequel to R/B/G. Both in story and gameplay. But Gen 3 was disconnected. New rivals, a story line that has 0 relation to Gen 1 or 2 aside from a few NPC dialogues. Features that get introduced only to be cut sporadically with each new gen. The obvious exclusion of some features present in Gen 2. Gen 4 is much the same. Same with 5, 6, 7, and so on. The only "attempt" to maintain continuity derives from cameo appearances and that's about it.

>>723497830
The third generation was my last generation, it's where I drew the line.

>>723502735
>everyone
The games came out in jp followed by an anime the next year. In America the anime was aired 2 weeks before the games were released. You nostalgia larpers are so fucking embarrassing.

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>>723498762
>especially when other stuff like Harry Potter
So you're saying Chris Chan was on to something when he hated Harry Potter for allegedly stealing Pokemon's spotlight?

>>723503150
since when has america ever been relevant in any discussion

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Pokemania was a giant fad that eventually settled into a cultral mainstay. Properties don't need to be on eggo waffles and mac and cheese to still be a giant player in the media space. Gen 3 was still extremely popular, and so was 4 after it.
I'd argue the only time Pokemon's reputation as a dominant culture icon was in jeopardy was during gen 5. I like gen 5, I think the games are pretty good, but people did not fuck with that era at all. And even though I fucking hate gen 6 to my core, it brought it back out of the danger zone.
Even now, when criticism at GF is at extreme highs because the games are SHIT, you cannot find tcg products becuase people are getting into fist fights on restock days.

R&B sold 30 million copies. To say they're secondary is retarded.

>>723503317
Now retard, or are you implying everyone gushing over gen 1 here is Japanese.

>>723503358
>you cannot find tcg products
yea, because scalpers think they're an (((investment)))
not because people care about the tcg

>>723502569
Games in general became a viable product in the 2000s, most kids didn't have consoles and it was more of a stuffing for the rest of the media.
>>723502735
Not even close, consoles were an impossible dream for most kids and it was the merchandise and anime that carried the franchise, it is so easy to see how even Gamefreak never expected the games to become a primary product.
>But me and my friends were excited for the games
Well I was too but that wasn't universal, most kids weren't even aware Pokemon was a videogame franchise

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Zoomers hate gen 2 and boomers hate everything after gen 2.

It truly was the turning point.

>>723498807
Less pokemon.
You know, the only part that mattered to kids.
Unless you were a fortune teller and knew about frlg. I still remember the disappointment of finding out I couldn't get a scizor and couldn't trade with old games

>>723502434
>>723502569
it was a combination of everything: the anime, the games, the cards, toys, board games, cereal tie ins, etc. this is what yoinger people dont get, it was more than just a popular franchise, it was almost like a religion. the pokemon were beyond just things in a game or anime. we were kids and didnt even really think of things like pokemon or dragon ball as "anime" or which was marketing for which.

trying to zero in on one thing over another shows you didnt get it or werent there

>>723500459
Golden sun was beautiful

>>723503467
What's the zoomer cut off age because I turn 32 next month and think gen 3 was the best followed by 7, 2 remakes then 5.

>harry potter
lol people didnt just migrate from one thing to another. just like now people liked multiple things simultaneously. HP and other properties had no affect on pokemon fandom

>>723503358
>only dominant time was gen 5
>being on waffles and stuff didnt matter
right, the 25 year old who wadnt around for pokemania lol

im gonna be real with everyone in this thread. i cant even tell you what gen 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 etc are without googling, how many gens or pokemon there even are, etc. i even forget the gen 3 game and pokemon names. anyone who talks about gen 7 vs 9 vs 5 was clearly not an OG, because no OG cares or remembers just gen numbers past 1 and 2

>>723503553
If we could measure the impact of games on the magnitude of Pokemania it would be small, of course they were important but compared to the push the anime and merchandise in general, the games didn't do much due to how videogames weren't as accepted back then as today, even if kids wanted them and their parents could afford them, games were still a luxury product, not niche but kind of exclusive to certain demographics.

>>723503457
>consoles were impossible expensive and no one had them until the 2000s
tell us about pokemania in europe, south america, or whatever 3rd world country youre from

Probably because the kids who enjoyed Gens 1 and 2 became teenagers by the time Gen 3 released and moved on to other vidya, like Gaylo or Wow

>>723503586
Probably 30 or 31. I’m 29 but I basically stopped after Gen 4

>>723497830
The kids who lived through Pokemania grew up a bit and started to consider it uncool, and the kids after them weren't as into it.

>>723503467
the only thing i like after gen2 was Dawn

>>723504014
Are you saying videogames were as widely available back then as they are today?

>Born Dec 1990, 34 years old
what generation am i considered to be so i can know who is insulting me

>>723503445
People think that because it willed itself to be true. Pokemon cards usually have pretty good to great art and adult fans have no problem trying to buy one they want.
The psa grading slab fuckery is a separate beast.

>>723503907
>only dominant time was gen 5
Read my post again you fucking illiterate.

>>723504205
millennial, the worst one. The good news is there aren't any good insult names for it.

>>723504178
People generally had at least one console of the generation, a NES, SNES or Genesis, N64 or PS1, along with a PC and handheld like a gameboy. Yes, believe it or not first world countries had money for this

>>723503907
>no OG cares or remembers just gen numbers past 1 and 2
yeah that's the thread topic. why did you fall off after gen 2, boomer-kun?

>>723497830
Not being able to go back to the previous continent was gay

>>723504405
Uh huh, sure, people in general bought the same amount of games 30 years ago as today, sure anon, sure.

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>>723497830
A majority of the demographic that fell for Pokemania eventually grew up by that point and either matured their tastes (if not turned outright-normalfag) or played "cooler" new fads like YuGiOh, that's why. Pokemon is primarily aimed at new generations of kids every release where it's still very popular anyways, the adult autists who never grew out of the series are just a bonus in TPC's eyes.

While I'm sure gameplay elements changing between Johto and Hoenn were a small fraction of the reason too, this is the same series that sets the absolute low-bar for AAA development yet still runs laps around CoD in sales. It's pretty clear quality has no significant impact on this franchise.

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Gen 3 Pokemon look like gaudy pastel abominations.
It's like someone let their child loose with a box of pastel crayons

>>723504597
Mudkip!

>>723502735
the TCG was more popular than red and blue, to the point where most normies thought the TCG was the og pokemon. Pokemania was in order of popularity:

1) The TCG
2) the cartoon
3) the game boy games
4) miscellaneous merch

The TCG was the biggest driver of everything in the beginning, at least in the late 90s in America.

>>723504597
The color palettes are fine. But many of the designs are too spiky and digimon-like.

>>723504543
>people bought and played video games
Yes. By all means tell us what country you are from

>>723504815
Why does every other pokemon this gen have a random line or geometrical shape on it

>>723497830
Too many pokes to keep track of.

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>>723499602
>takeshi

>>723504878
>everyone had consoles, everyone
lol

>>723498071
It had nothing whatsoever to do with this. The vast vast vast majority of the people who participated in Pokemania don't even know this about Gen 3, or care, because they didn't play it in the first place, because Pokemon had been for fags and babies for 2 or 3 years by that point. It was a fad and it ended and that's all there is to it.
What zoomers who weren't actually there for it don't understand is that what made Pokemania what it was wasn't the nerds playing Pokemon, it was the fact that literally everybody was in on it, meaning it was 99% normies who didn't give a shit about things like this.

>>723503457
>Games in general became a viable product in the 2000s, most kids didn't have consoles
nigga every other kid had an atari and then an NES and then either an SNES or Genesis in the 80s/early 90s in my neighborhood.

>>723504597
The starters generally looked retarded and gay after how cool gen1 and gen2 starters were, to pile on reasons why gen3 sucked the air out of pokemania

>>723497830
Pokemania was a group of people, not just a product. It was new and novel to that specific group of kids at that specific time in history. Eventually they grew up, the novelty of the product also wore off, as well. Once those people had become adults, it was never going to come back. In the same vein, once the product had its novelty as a worldwide fad fade away, it was never going to come back either. Disco was really big 'in its day' but this isn't its day anymore. Same deal with Pokemon. Fads have to be allowed to die when they pass their time, not be continually dragged along out of profit motive until they degenerate past the point of no return.

>>723504954
*1st world countries. Sorry europe

>>723504997
>nigga
>most kids

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>>723504895
they really started fucking with us later

Reminder that "those Pokeyman cards" were expensive enough in 1999/2000 that the New Jersey Mob was considering them as something worth stealing and fencing.

>>723505041
>gay frog
>retarded chicken
>derpy tadpole
Yeah youre right

>>723504809
Pokemania was really buyfagmania, and there was coverage for every form of media to synergize and boost one another's popularity. The entry point might have varied for many, but the end result was owning some of everything.
>gotta catch em all
It was so intense that parents were scared of commie brainwashing

>>723497830
>Gen 1 NA release date: September 28, 1998
>Gen 2 NA release date: October 15, 2000
>Gen 3 NA release date: March 19, 2003
Yeah I wonder why a fad didn't last 5 years

>>723505303
did the mob also horde beanie babies

>>723501736
huh
I never felt R/S had a lot of content. If anything it felt lacking because you couldn't go back to johto or kanto.

>>723505173
>I did thing, therefore everyone did thing
>uh, proof, no I don't have that

>>723499602
>takeshi
literally who

>>723505692
just tell us your country bro

>>723497830
The leak literally answered this. Gen 3 killed the series because masuda was ousted.

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>>723504597
I want to say I love Gen 4, but 20% of the pokemon in this generation were either baby versions/evos of pokemon from previous gens leaving only 80 original pokemon. Holy shit, this gen was Gen 6 before Gen 6. Nostalgia really is one hell of a drug.

>>723497830
i think that was just the natural lifespan of a fad, normie casual fans aren't going to stick around for long
gen 3 still sold well compared to other games

>>723499567
No, for once it wasn't Game Freak's fault a basic function couldn't be implemented.

>>723497830
Pokemania was cooling down during gold and silver as well. After stadium 2 and crystal, sapphire/ruby felt like a long wait and a different console. It was never going to be "pokemania" forever. it's only a peak because it's a specific portion of time.

>>723506180
>no proof

>>723500496
I could not agree more. It should be a whimisical story about a kid wanting to be the best trainer with his monster friends.

>>723507010
>no one bought consoles
you know, youre right. clearly consoles had no business which is why they dont exist anymore

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>>723497830
Only good thing about Pokemon (these days) are the girls.
Post Pokegirls.

>>723505175
yes, most kids had consoles or had friends who did in middle class suburban america, consoles didn't start in the 2000s. what started in the 2000s was 20-30 somethings openly playing video games instead of dismissing them as kids stuff (which also existed at the very early dawn of video games but was gone by the NES era)

>>723503536
this for sure is one of the digs at it. Of course most games after it suffer the same way. GSC felt like such a big jump. It felt like EVERYTHING and more. not just "new" like RSE

>>723497830
Yugioh became top dog

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I don't know how you could reasonably tie it down to any one thing. At what point do you just assign it to fads being unable to sustain themselves for 5 years and the demographical shift? A fad even lasting 3 years is incredibly rare and it's debatable if pokemania lasted that long in the first place.
Someone who was 10 when RB released in 98 would be 15 by the time RS rolled around. That's high school age, the fantasy of exploring the world with your animal pals has been replaced with Halo or sports and racing games and trying to sneak Dad's playboy.

>>723504543
to be fair in the cartridge era people tended not to buy a lot of games. People would maybe get 1-2 games a year for birthday/christmas/etc, outside of that most people rented a lot more games from movie rental places than they bought.

reminder that gen 3 rival randomly gives up halfway through the game and doesnt even fully evolve their pokemon. what a fucking slap in the face.

>>723507180
>>723507224
>twisting my words
>still no proof

>>723507496
Pokemon games are notoriously unfinished

>>723507538
I'm sorry consoles didn't become a thing in your country till the 2000s ranjesh but we are talking about the part of the world that matters.

>>723507641
*yawn*

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>the asking rate for Pokemon Emerald these days even in loose cartridge form
how the actual FUCK is a game that sold multiple millions now one of the most "valuable" video games I own if not THE most valuable? Are pokemon people actually this fucking deranged?

>>723507862
I gave away my emerald to my aunt 10 years ago

;_;

>>723507862
Emerald sold somewhere in the ballpark of 7m
Of those 7m, probably 6m have been lost, discarded, or broken because they were owned by children. Of the remaining 1m, probably 750k of those are in terrible condition with discolored or scratched plastic.

>>723497830
Pokemon Trading Card Game was fucking amazing. Unsung classic.

>>723507557
Its not 'unfinished', thats the intended end the final battle with the gen 3 rival is you suddenly meeting them on their way out of the lilycove department store, them being excited about shopping and being surprised that you apparently interrupt them for a pokemon battle, and then once you win they explicitly state their desire to stop battling and return home to littleroot. they've explored the world, caught a few pokemon, had their adventure, and now they're done.
You are 6 gym badges in and you just no longer have a rival. You never had a rival. They never gave a single shit about pokemon.

And thats how pokemania died.

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>>723508443
for me its pokemon pinball

>>723507496
i dont rememver when ir happened but eventually rivals started being nice and picking the starter weak to yours. just one of many pussifications to games nintendo did to their games over the years, like nerfing the entire mario party economy and covering it in padding to reduce wild swings

>>723507394
High schoolers also seek out more mature entertainment to prove they’re grown up. In my school, there was no faster track to bullying than watching childrens’ shows and playing childrens’ games. The curve goes
>Child: FUCK YEAH, POKEMON
>Teenager: Pokemon is for babies. I play real video games
Adult: FUCK YEAH, POKEMON

>>723508575
>You are 6 gym badges in and you just no longer have a rival. You never had a rival. They never gave a single shit about pokemon.
>And thats how pokemania died.
I disagree with that it's "not unfinished" but then you posted kino

>>723497830
>can't trade your mons over from gen 1 and 2 (biggest reason)

>gay trombones and marching band music

>too much water routes

>Rival isn't a antagonist anymore

>CANT GO TO PREVIOUS GENS REGION because they were lazy.

There's more to consider but that was partly why the fever went down a bit

>>723508591
I watched a speedrun for this game a few months ago and I was fucking shocked that I didn't experience 80% of the shit that game had to offer. I'm so shit at pinball it's unreal

>>723503358
>the only time Pokemon's reputation as a dominant culture icon was in jeopardy was during gen 5
Blog post incoming.
As a teenager I thought it was lame that the new gen was on the same system.
I distinctly remember my parents buying me a GB with Red, a GBC with Crystal and a GBA with Emerald.
Gen 5 didn't seem like the big leap the previous gens were, especially when we were deep into the 7th generation of home consoles where game graphics were getting hyper realistic. Sprites just felt too antiquated by then (retro indie games weren't cool yet).

In retrospective, I understand why Gamefreak ignored the 3DS which was a flop on release. Also, going for full 3D models would have sky rocketed development costs.
But to me, Pokemon gen 5 was the first time I consciously felt the developers weren't putting much effort and I was just getting milked, so I skipped the whole gen.
It was also then that I stopped playing Pokemon altogether. I wonder if it was the same for other people.

>>723499737
Where's the dishonesty? Gen2's new features were insane. Even being able to go to the previous game towns sounds like some "mewtwo under the truck" except for the fact it was actually true.

Gen 5 is buttfuck ugly and that pseudo 3D gave my eyes AIDS and I will never recover.
At least Dawn is cute.

>>723504597
The legendaries and starters suck (Mudkip line is okay) but its otherwise not that terrible. It doesn't fit into the original 150 as well Gen 2, but it's not awful. Gen 4 and especially Gen 5 is where the nose dive in quality happens.

>>723507862
>Emerald is a colossal upgrade over Sapphire and Ruby, as opposed to Crystal which is a minor upgrade over Gold and Silver (they were much better releases than SR)
>The remakes of were based on S/R
>The remakes also suck, unlike HGSS
Emerald is not only the best way to replay Hoenn, it's the only good way.

>>723510535
>At least Dawn is cute.
I mean Hilda

>>723509196
>Getting a GBC the same year the GBA came out
>Getting a GBA the same year the NDS came out
Oof
Although this makes me think that the long gap between handheld launch and pokemon launch is to blame. The GBA sat pokemon-less until 2003, and the DS released the next year.

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>>723501480
Pretty much, Watching people die on TV changes you.

>>723510615
I've never actually played anything past Gen 3. How do the later "complete" versions compare to the "base" ones? Would I be losing out much by playing Diamond over Platinum for instance?

>>723509196
gen 5 is just objectively shit, that's why people didn't buy it
you missed nothing
the later gens being increasingly worse doesn't excuse the shitfest that was BW and masuda deciding to rape all future pokemon games over a tantrum because no one cared about his shit self proclaimed "magnum opus"

>>723497830
Gens 3-6 were the exact same experience. They blur together to the point where I can't even remember which Pokemon were introduced in which gen. Gen 7 was different enough, but it killed my interest in the series.

>>723497830
It died with gen 5

>>723497830
GS properly expanded the concepts of RB. I tried Emerald and nothing fucking changed except the graphics got better. A case for why games need stories. Fire Emblem is basically the same shit every game, but you can play over a dozen different entries because of new stories and characters, not just a new setting.
Tiny incremental changes like muh graphix are not enough to justify a new game if you don't have a unique story.

>>723497830
What's the black version

>>723497830
They ran out of good ideas, and let's be real, gen 3 was already pushing it

>>723497897
that's when i was born...

>>723500301
Wtf are you smoking?

>>723511265
For Gen 4 and 5 the second releases are the only ways to play as well. Diamond and Pearl, and Black and White are awful compared to Platinum and Black 2 and White 2.

>>723511819
It's says on the sticker

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>>723512048
Cool I'll keep that in mind. I know they're generally considered inferior to gen 1-3 but I'm curious to play through the DS and 3DS games sometime. If nothing else I'd like to see some of the girls I like in context.

>>723512048
Platinum was terrible as well
I never bought a Pokemon game after it

>>723504720
>Ihurduliekmudkipz

>>723512273
I'd still skip DPP and just play HGSS though. You get all the nice things regarding Gen 4's features but in a superior package.

>>723512273
more

>>723512385
Too much water though

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>>723512385
It might be weak but I still want to do Platinum, again out of curiosity. I can deal with it being a bit shit since I'm not exactly expecting greatness to begin with.
I think I'll save HGSS and FRLG for last (I haven't played the latter either). Gen 2 was my childhood favourite so seeing that on the DS would be a nice way to wrap things up.
>>723512408
This is all you get. Pokegirl art isn't hard to find, Apply yourself.

>>723512480
that's RSE / ORAS

>>723497830
Because Gen3 is shit, plain and simple. It was multiple steps back and Hoenn is the worst region ever.

>>723512735
more

>>723498807
>first ever high stakes story
Yeah and even with Team Silly being extremely silly all the time, they still had nothing on Magma and Aqua. God imagine actually caring about that buttfucking retarded story, you fucking retard.

>>723506543
Frankly, seeing them side by side, there are more designs I like in 4 than in 3, which almost all suck.

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>colorful region
>new mons
>steve was cool to kid me
>gen 1 remakes were fun for their time

idgaf I liked gen 3 as much as gen 2. Those few years were bliss and I lost interest in pokemon with gen 4.
>t. 31 year old

>>723497830
Tf you mean?
Gen3 further boosted Pokemon into new grounds and popularity.

>>723497830
>remake the same game 3 times
everyone forgave the second games due to having 2 regions even if it was the same game
i also remember people hating the fact that they released the SAME version of the games with just minor differences.

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reminder that masuda was worried that r/s would flop because pokemania was already over when they released
the gen 2 anime ended pokemania, and it was already over when crystal (lowest selling mainline game in the franchise) released
gen 3 gave it a boost, but i'd say they weren't completely out of the water until gen 4

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Its crazy how many people itt act like they know what they're talking about when its very obvious they weren't even alive at the time
Why the fuck are you larping as oldfags when you were probably born in '95 or later

>>723514176
>i'd say they weren't completely out of the water until gen 4
Gen 6. Gen 5 had the lowest sales, and Gen 4 sales weren't exactly great either (better than 3 though). Since Gen 6 sales have been consistently up, for both games and the broader IP.

>>723498429
Gen 2 had online(JP only) and the day/night cycle. It wasn't for convenience at all, since they still had timed events. The removal of basic tms like thunderbolt was bullshit, though.

>>723497830
i stopped caring when gen 4 came out
1-3 had me and my friends hooked

>>723508863
>Child: FUCK YEAH, POKEMON
>Teenager: Pokemon is for babies. I play real video games
>Adult: FUCK YEAH, POKEMON
You dont know how true this is and how applicable it is to many things in entertainment. Anime, Kingdom Hearts Final Fantasy, Mario, Zelda, Disney movies, etc.

Its only immature teenagers who think "color, fantasy, animation are for babies. im a real mature adult so i only watch/play live action capeshit, wwe, resident evil, last of us, game of thrones, breaking bad, john wick, etc" when the content of that shit is far more immature and childish than the things actually marketed to kids.

>>723498807
>Actual post-game
>Battle Frontier
You repeated one.
>Dive mechanic
>Contests
>abilities
The first two of those were removed for a reason. The latter didn't automatically mean a better game. The EV system meant that most Pokemon had to either be glass canons or stallers. Furthermore, these were used as a justification to cut off all your old Pokemon for the first time and split their availability to many games to milk your money.
>full-color for the first time
>usable pc box sorting system
You're just being dumb.

>>723509196
I was surprised that gen 4 didn't have 3D models since the DS was basically a portable N64.
Gen 5 still using sprites was just lazy and cheap. So Gamefreak being Gamefreak.

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You are not going to convince me that pokemania didn't die with this dogshit movie.

>>723507862
copies were not taken care of bc kids
same with early cards

>>723516114
watched it with my gf recently after getting her into pokemon with gen 2 and 3 and it wasn't as bad as i remembered. 1st one still the best though

>>723497830
>No Pokemon Green
fake fan

>>723516114
its crazy they thought this would be on par with the Mewtwo or Lugia movie
I feel like you could watch the first 2 even if you only had a passing familiarity with Pokemon, but everything after 3 just became fanservice at most

>>723497830
Part of the SOVL of old generations was the cartridge design. That died with gen 4, and it was cohencidentally a steady decline ever since

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>>723512336
>liking mudkips is wrong

>>723518662
I want May to squirt in my mouth

>>723514417
it's the same couple johto schizos repeating the same talking points. gen 2 threads always begin the same way. muh day/night cycle. muh backwards compatibility. muh gotta catch em all slop.

inb4 they mention the post count and how i "lost"

>>723497830
Pokemania died with Gen 2. Around the time the third movie came out, I remember I went and saw it with my friend and after it ended I think we both agreed pokemon was over right then and there. It just didn't hit the same.

>>723520174
you're the biggest shizo i've seen so far

>>723497830
Gen 3 was when they decided to make it formulaic and remove features rather than keep them all and keep expanding on them.

>>723516114
All the movies were fucking stupid but the Celebi one released in like a tenth of the theaters.

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>>723500367
>the real Pokemania was pokemon Go
The shit retarded zoomers tell themselves.

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>>723520420
He's right. Go is why Pokemon is more successful and better than Pokemania was for the past decade.

>>723497830
>Why did Pokemania die when Gen 3 came along?
Allow me to interject for a moment.
https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2017/08/14/why-ruby-and-sapphire-were-the-most-challenging-pokemon-to-make.aspx
>"After Gold and Silver came out, it was a huge hit around the world, but shortly after everyone was saying, 'That’s it. The Pokémon fad is over! It’s dead!'," Masuda says.
>"At the time, the atmosphere and general thinking was that the Pokémon fad was over and there was huge pressure to prove people wrong," Masuda says. Toy stores that used to be filled with Pokémon toys were clearing out their stock, and when visiting America, Masuda says he noticed that all the Pokémon merchandise, including the unofficial toys featured at mall kiosks, were beginning to disappear. "The next time I visited it was all Star Wars. Everyone was saying it was on a downtrend, the fad’s over and I really felt that pressure to make something amazing," Masuda says.
>"I got really stressed out and had to go to the hospital and had some stomach issues and had to get a camera inserted and they didn’t know what it was – very stressful," Masuda says. "The night before release I had a dream that it was a complete failure, a total nightmare."
>Despite the general perception of the series, and Masuda's stress-induced hospital visit, he never gave in to the pressure. "We at Game Freak took that as a challenge and said, 'It’s not dead. We’re going to show you guys you’re wrong!'." Masuda says, and ultimately, it worked out. Game Freak were able to use the names Ruby and Sapphire and the games sold well. "The morning after, the day of release, I went into the local shop and saw people lining up to buy it and was extremely relieved. It was close. Super scary at the time."
tldr pokemania died during first half of gen 2, gen 3 saved pokemon

>>723497830
because gen 3 perfected the game. Everything after was just filler.

>>723520420
pokemania made consooming cool and created charizard card scalper faggots
pokemon go make pokemon for normalfags again

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>>723500301
>>723500459
Golden Sun games and all of the other GBA games have objectively great graphics if you use any modern GBA emulator!

>>723503582
Indeed!

>>723498054
3 was good, 4 was pretty good, 5 was good
Everything after has been a sharp decline

>>723499567
No, retard. Lots of things changed that made it impossible to trade pokemon up to gen 3. They added an entire stat line and changed fundamental gameplay mechanics.

Gen 3 is pretty weird. Only knew 1 guy who played it at the time. Gen 4 was a renaissance where everyone I knew was getting back into the series.

>>723497830
gen 3 removed lots of people's favourite pokemon

if you were really into pokemon and your favourite was one of the pokemon they took out of the game in ruby/sapphire, there was a big chance you lost interest in pokemon in general

>>723520614
Pokemon Go only cashed in on nostalgia from the original pokemania.

>>723520828
>gen 3 removed lots of people's favourite pokemon
they were all in the game
you weren't the poorfag on the playground without a gameshark, right?

>>723520886
don't pretend gameshark sold nearly as many copies as pokemon. what are you, retarded?

What console and games did the kid in the late 1990s and early 2000s have that didn't join Pokemania and couldn't care less about Pokemon?>>723520945

>>723520945
lmao you were the poorfag
fucking loser

>>723520360
This

>>723521000
If their parents could afford the alternatives, they probably had it all. If their parents couldn't then maybe an NES or one of the Ataris.
Your question is structured very oddly.

>>723503467
Boomers are genwunners and hate everything after gen 1. You don't remember the Facebook memes from 2010? They weren't shitting on ice cream and trash bag mons with Johtomons.

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one of these is not like the other....

>>723520886
>you weren't the poorfag on the playground without a gameshark, right?
I'd didn't even have a link cable and neither did my friends

>>723521127
damn you really are retarded. gameshark was an american thing, in japan where I grew up it didn't exist. imagine thinking your tiny little unrepresentative experience was universal instead of just looking at the stats and realising how shit actually worked

>>723521374
Japan had their own version of Action Replay for the GBA, larping weeb faggot.

>>723521485
that no-one had. my elementary school had loads of people who bought ruby or sapphire or both, but no-one had even heard of that shit

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>>723521374

>>723521560
I think you accidentally posted a picture of yourself, might wanna delete that

>>723521374
ohio go-zaymuss anon-kun!

>>723521374
>>723521552
>i was poor and retarded like my whole school
really not my problem.

>>723521346
I mean a hypothetical where a child from the time of Pokemania was never interested in Pokemon and in general terms does not care about Pokemon at all.

>>723521614
literally just look at r/s sales figures and use your brain retard, this line makes no sense

>>723498054
Rip, shouldve stuck around for gen 5. It was the peak.

>>723521649
ok... they're the highest selling games on the gba. how does this not make you a poor retarded weeb again?

>>723521637
I fail this breakfast question dude. Can't fathom such a kid, he'd either have to hate video games or only like sportsball games.
The whole demographic was captured, they at least liked the show or some of the merch.

>>723503907
>anyone who talks about gen 7 vs 9 vs 5 was clearly not an OG, because no OG cares or remembers just gen numbers past 1 and 2
OG that got Blue on Christmas day the year it released in the year of 1998, I do not give a fuck about Gen 1 or 2 because of how boring their Pokemon are. Even as a kid I didn't like most of the Pokemon designs and thought most of them looked very lame.

>>723516114
it was fine, rhe unown stuff was still cool.
it waa basically (movies)
1>2>3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4

>>723508575
>game contains snuck in metacommentary about series dying from bored writer
kino

>>723522160
for me it's 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 > 2 >= 4
all the johto movies were really fucking stupid

>>723522141
The kid I'm writing about didn't like the Pokemon anime at all and isn't interested in the merchandise.

What's more, that kid told his friends to fuck off when they started liking Pokemon.

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>>723497830
2 problems with pokemon:
the more mons you make the lazier and less creative they become and the volume brings the overall interest of each generation down. 2, allowing multidex disincentivizes players from using and exploring the new generation of monsters.
the problem with gen 3 and really all gens after is that they cut major features that were in gen 2 like the day/night cycle for one. gen 2 took everything from gen 1 and expanded upon it. It’s a shame really because I think the graphics in gen 3 are great but again there’s less of it, no sprite animations etc. 3 was the decline of pokemon and its only gotten worse since. not interested in hearing a zoomers opinion about his first DS game

>>723520642
This is just Masuda stroking himself

>>723501736
Gen 3 is ugly, take off the nostalgia goggles. It's incredibly amateurish sprite art, with FR/LG being a notable improvement, though still not outstanding.

>>723522327
youre wrong and just being an edgelord

>>723522527
Gen 2 technically made some Pokemon worse by adding the special defense stat. All that other shit is fluff or made the gameplay worse.

>>723498054
>Gen 2 was a massive step up from 1
how? i remember thinking it had a lot of extra content but felt like it wasn't really fun. i played it once or twice then basically moved on from pokemon after that even though i ended up replaying gen 1 more a bit over the years since.

>>723522339
No games or a Genesis with a football game and maybe a racing game. Kids don't exhibit that kind of contrarianism.
There's no point in saying what else was popular at the time or what kids too old for pokemon at the time liked because it's irrelevant to the hypothetical.

>>723522750
this retard seriously liked the lugia movie kek
that's the normalfag opinion, not the edgelord one

>>723522787
>All that other shit is fluff or made the gameplay worse.
yep that's how i felt with gen 2, like a lot of the new stuff to discover felt like it would be just a massive time sink and wasn't that fun anyway

>>723522787
while that may be true I never treated pokemon as a highly competitive game. you can literally beat all the games just using your starter pokemon and some hm slaves.

>>723498054
3 > 1 > 2

>>723522787
nobody likes talking about how the special split fucked some decent pokemon in gen 1 to irrelevance
even fewer people want to talk about how the p/s split did the same thing

>>723522909
I'm not even talking competitive. Battles were slower because of the HP scrolling bug and slow ass exp bar. Day/night cycle comes at the cost of harder teambuilding compared to gen 1.

>>723522812
The Sega Genesis (Mega Drive) is Based

I imagine that kid with a Virtual Racing (which he bought on clearance or was given secondhand).

He'd also be the kid in his class without friends, lonely, but who doesn't mind being alone.

>sold less than gen 2
>sold less then gen 4
Cubesnoys need to stop coping about their shit childhood.

>>723497830
The kids that had pokemania had grown up by the time.

>>723523016
>Day/night cycle comes at the cost of harder teambuilding compared to gen 1.
nigga the night/day cycle made encounters way more interesting

>IT DIDNT DIE LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT GEN 73 AND THYGAMON
cant wait for 10 or 15 years to pass and zoomers get to experience current babies coming into their favorite franchises way later on and trying to tell them what to think about it

>>723521726
Same.

>>723523163
did it really? it made the environment more interesting due to the changing colours but locking some pokemon to certain times of day isn't nearly as big of a deal that people make it out to be, i guess tod evolutions are kinda neat
if certain pokemon/ moves were affected by time of day, then it would be interesting

>>723523163
Sorry nigga but I'm not waiting until morning to catch a level 2 Teddiursa when I could move on and beat Morty later tonight.

>>723523301
>if certain pokemon/ moves were affected by time of day, then it would be interesting
moonlight bro

>>723523301
It was for me. I nearly shit myself when I caught a teddiursa on the bus to school

>>723523349
>outing yourself as a late-adopting adhd gamer
not looking good desu

>>723523301
>locking some pokemon to certain times of day isn't nearly as big of a deal that people make it out to be
it mostly affected johtomons. most people just use their starter and some kantomons

>>723523373
gross

>defending locking features behind real life time
Having day and night in the game is cool, but it being tied to the real life clock made it a fucking retarded mechanic that was only annoying, specially if you wanted stuff at hours you couldn't play at all.

day/night cycle makes the game feel more immersive, like a living world.

you know what else feels immersive? going outside

>>723523365
you got me on that one, i thought it was only affected by weather
anything else?

>>723523451
Switching day/night to in-game time was the only thing SV did right.

>>723523446
metaphorically speaking of course

>>723523587
morning sun

>>723497830
It didn't die with gen 3 it died with gen 4. Everything up to gen 3 was the same level of popularity. The only thing that calmed down was cards and side shit.

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>>723497830
Maybe it's because you needed a GBA?

The only previous upset was Crystal being GBC only.

>>723523427
>be 8 years old
>can only play game boy after dinner
>can't play weekday mornings because of basketball practice
>want to use teddiursa but can't
>welp guess i have adhd

>>723523718
spinoffs peaked in gen 4
to the point where even gf realized this and they've downsized making them ever since due to how they were being shown up by other companies in almost every way

I was a kid when Pokemania hit. I loved all three gens growing up but it's easy to see why the series tapered off as we got older. Star Wars had returned to the forefront with the Prequels coming out. Sure it's more popular now by sheer numbers, but with the deluge of content being produced in all fields of media it's just not the same cultural phenomena that it was when it came out.

>>723523427
ADHD fags wouldn't keep playing. They'd feel sad, stop playing and forget they had the game.

>>723503189
always has been

>>723523718
Lol 4 was a renaissance after how shit 3 was

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>>723501801
Wdym, Kasumi and Brock were really great tomodachis, kyoudai, now, let's go to Yamabuki-shi to defeat Sabrina and Yungerer.

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>biggest media IP in the world
>Breaking sales records with busted games
>Printing endless cards yet market still bears
>Movies upon movies and decades of anime

But yes, Pokemania ended when you stopped interacting with it.

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>>723523739
The GBA was 2 years old by the time R/S released, it's not like you had to get a GBA on launch to play it.

>the only previous upset was crystal being GBC only
Crystal released in july of 2001, one month after the GBA released. There was even a bundle with the two.

>>723523739
Most Pokefags had a GBC already by the time GS was released. I don't know anyone at the time who played Pokemon on a Game Boy.

I played gen 1 and 2 then stopped. I realized the card sets were going to be new and impossible to collect and the games weren't improving and not all the characters were there and the new designs weren't as interesting or exciting anymore.

>>723497897
Nah, I turned 14-15 when I stopped playing

>>723498762
I got into LOTR instead of HP but I was also into other consoles and PC after. Gen 2 was good it had nothing to do with any of that. Stop trying to blame it on Gen 2 you zoomer revisionist

>>723497830
why tf isn't red in the column with gold and ruby?

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>Remakes adds too much SOVL

>>723525450
>let's add more fluff and fix none of gen 2's problems
hgss was a mistake

>>723525491
It was the dream game for at least 90% of the audience.
Only way to have gotten better fanservice would be some fuckhuge all regions bs. Could just play Plat and Emerald on the same system, and transfer all you mons up anyway which was definitely close enough for most.

>>723504597
>>723506543
Where can I find more of these images?

Gonna replay Gen 1. Thanks for the thread. The original 15(1) are the best.

>>723497830
Because it stopped being interesting and they ran out of ideas. That hasn't changed, by the way. It has been low effort garbage rehashed over and over ever since.

>emerald is $250-300 USD on ebay
what the fuck?

>>723506543
sex with floatzel, lopunny, weavile, and glaceon

>>723526635
>floatzel
Ew furfag.

>>723525756
90% of the audience jizzed at following Pokemon for 10 years

>>723526747
You're not wrong.

>>723526615
Probably not even a real copy