Do not buy VtMB 2. Good evening.
>>723583294what was this bitch ass's problem anyways
>>723583294I'm not even pirating.
>>723583470He is just a (relatively to Real People) fledgeling who had delusions of grandeur, the Tr*m*re dude shits on him with good reason. Most probably he was sent to Cali in a "sink or swim" situation, but he's out of his depth, and the game make numerous reference about how much he's out of his depth.He's grasping at any power he could have, and the Sarcophagus provide him with such. So of course he goes ball deep into getting the Sarcophagus. He's just a little shit.
>>723583470He's a rich nonce.
>>723583294Maybe the most cogent and intelligent thing you've ever said, Lacroix.
>>723583948Heather sex
>>723583756he's clearly a spoiled rich kid that was turned when he was a french aristocrat during the 1700s and hasn't changed his mindset once from those 270 years ago. Always handed shit without earning it and pussies out when confronted just like real nepos
I’d already forgotten it even existed.
What Jack and Cain were trying to achieve by making ankaran sarcophagus look like resting place of uber vampire? What's the point of local vampires fighting each other off?
>>723583470Ventrue.
Which mod/patch allows you to turn Yukie into a vampire?
>>723583470Ventrue only have two settings>Coolest Motherfucker in the room.>Unbearable twatIt mostly comes down to how well they've estimated the abilities of everyone else in the room. Lacroix severely overestimated himself and the value of his assets while undervaluing (You). Probably because he's french.
>>723584379The former wanted the Camarilla out of LA and the latter was just in it for shits and giggles.
>>723584379Eliminating the Head of the Camarilla and their primary base of operations. Though I think for Cain it might have been more about orchestrating events to get someone to fuck up the Kue-jin presence in California.
>>723583294I will (not) do as you say commander.
>>723583470He wanted to be The Guy
>>723583948Shut up LaCroix
>>723583294Some anon told that she isnt even in the game, this true?
>>723584379Taxi Driver isnt Cainon
>>723584379Cain does whatever the fuck he wants, it's kinda his thing. By now he's just a troll (with a fairly huge teeth against God, but it's not like he can kill God). Cain can be in your country right now, or manning your Taxi right now. Why? Just because lmao.WW were absolutely against the Taxi driver in Bloodlines 1 being Cain, and several times said it wasn't so. The issue with that is that Cain can appear in several locations accross the world, and occasionaly does, and Cain being a Taxi driver in Bloodlines is just what everyone expect Cain to do just to troll people.>>723584379>What's the point of local vampires fighting each other off?Jack is 400 years old by this point, and he just want to kick the Camarilla in the ball. He hypes up a sarcophagus full of explosives, hypes it up really much, then watch people wanting to get it. Cain probably just was there because, unironically, lmao.
>>723584803Yes he is lol
>>723584742Why do Americans talk like Jewish actors?>>723583470He's French and rich and old.
>>723584379Jack has been around for a few hundred years, I guess after surviving for so long, eventually he just started fucking with the other vampires for shits and giggles, he's an anarch at heart afterall.But I mean he did say that he hates the camarilla and one way or another, he got rid of Lacroix or the player (if you decide to join him, or take his place).He won either way.>What's the point of local vampires fighting each other off?Not a lore fag, but I've read that the whole immortality thing turns all the vampires crazy paranoid after a while.
>all the shill threads died immediately...bruh
>>723584803no he is he got tired of being the overlord of all vamps, so he dipped and decided to live multiple mortal lives out of boredom so he became a la cab driver
>>723585140I thought the game was going to be just average but now it's looking bad
>>723585230What immortality does to an MFIf the antediluvians and Methuselah weren't cunts they'd probably do the same thing
>>723585140They are off the payroll after the reviews went live.
>>723585251>game was going to be just averageThat's what everyone assumed too. As long as the story is at least somewhat fun slop I think it can still be average
>>723585251From the moment they had that lame reveal press event all those years ago I knew it would be a disaster.
>>723585251It is average but when you give your game the bloodlines 2 title you expect it to play/follow the same formula as the original if you read a lot of reviews that is pretty much the main complaint
>>723585382>As long as the story is at least somewhat fun slopIt's boring, the game is dead. Don't make excuses for the stupid.
>>723585382>As long as the story is at least somewhat funI think the original game sold itself more on atmosphere than story.The writing was good, but still.
>>723585251All we need is a Netflix Anime and people will start calling it GOTY
>>723585140how hard is it to make a game with inventories and quests and skills in a random american city with like 6 memorable characters and you're a vampire and you do and fix stuff and kill stuffthat's literally all vtmb 2 needed to do
>>723585862cp2077 was always good though, on PC that is.
>>723586032Yeah, that's exactly the kind of retarded stuff people will be saying.
>>723586032You will never be a woman.
>>723585850The original wouldn't be as well regarded if it was running off of pure atmosphere, it had some pretty good writing and dialogue that 2 is probably not going to capture imo. The atmosphere in 2 seems somewhat alright but that's about all it has going for it
>>723585862>>723586159Cyberpunk was a well regarded game outside of the bugs and technical issues, this game relatively isn't actually that buggy it just sucks, I don't think netflix anime alone can fix bad press even one as good as edgerunners
>>723583948>you can save Heather in the Wesp5 patchTHANK YOU
>>723585990i can't believe any of you assumed it was going to be good. you should know better.
>>723585850It also sold on the ability to use your fresh invisibility powers to sneak around the local hospital and hack the computers there just to read the local doctor fucking his intern and his wife is very angry about it.Saying VTMB 1 had no gameplay is absolutely retarded.
>>723586524I didn't say anything about the gameplay, just that the atmosphere was transcendental while the writing was just good.
>>723586296>Cyberpunk was a well regarded game outside of the bugs and technical issuesIf you were a paid shill and only focused on crap like story and graphics. The RPG mechanics were completely nonsensical, gunplay and melee were both clunky garbage compared to contemporaries, the weapon upgrade system was a worse version of Borderlands unless you used the crafting system which was incredibly tedious, and the AI was and still is largely braindead.
>>723584791She isn't. I guess she had too distict design to put her in the game.I would also assume that Safia is some very tortured version of Elif, but that's a stretch.
>>723586216I wouldn't really say it's the writing so much as the voice acting, which kind of falls into atmosphere. Almost every character is just extremely memorable and part of that is because they're caricatures, just extremely well done ones.
>>723586660>as if normies care about any of thatGameplay for normies is largely a matter of convenience rather than a serious consideration. I'm not even sure bloodlines 2 has anything that can be redeemed about it other than the atmosphere
>>723587121Caricatures are the ideal RPG npc unless they're plot critical and you'll see them multiple times desu
>>723587437To a degree. They still review bombed and did mass returns. They tolerate simplistic gameplay if the vibes are good but even they can draw the line when gameplay elements feel dated or are actively unfun, a lot of which Cyberpunk was. It wasn't just that the game was buggy, it was that it was actively doing it's best impersonation of a Ubisoft game and not even a particularly good one.
>>723583294Literally him
>>723587503I can totally dig a caricature villain if it's delivered well. I mean VTM's villains are a French Aristocrat and a Chinese Concubine and a German Priest.
>>723583294Don't worry, Sir.I wasn't going to.
>>723587991You forgot about Mr. Dracula from Temu.
>>723587989
>>723588109
>>723583294Didn't even need to use Dominate to convince me, my guy :)
>>723588109>Extremely stereotypical villain>Make him look and sound coolThis is peak.
>>723588295Vibes is a big part of villains
I just want ONE game in which we can finally join Sabbat. ONE game.Sabbat is actually really fun as a faction, I don't get why the writers are always doing them dirty. I think VtM: Redemption is the only VtM game where you technically play as Sabbat, but it's more about Christoff joining them because most of his buddies are already there.
>>723583294Why? What's the problem with the new game? I want some actual answer.
>>723588613>sabbat PCI think the problem is more so that Sabbat is comically evil and will haze the new guy PC, on top of encouraging literal masquerade breaking with their messaging. Would probably be a lot of work to write. Redemption was pretty comical itself too>6'5" literal crusader walking around town speaking his fake language swinging a massive sword and no one calls it a masquerade breach or gets involved
>>723588613Have you played the Clan Quest Mod? But yeah a Sabbat focused game would be cool as hell in the hands of capable writers that don't treat them as a joke
>>723589029It's bad>v5 focused lore so setting is raped>plot is rather mediocre to stupid>Rik Schaffer got the boot technically so most of the music won't be his>combat is mid>no roleplay mechanics or abilities except for the walking sim segment where you play a Malk who thinks he's a hardboiled detectiveIf you've seen some of the plot leaks, they're quite bad
>>723588613will never happen WW doesn't even want groups to play Cammarailla in VtM let alone sabbat, their own rulebook completely lacks rules to play them in V5
>>723589135>I think the problem is more so that Sabbat is comically evil and will haze the new guy PCUnless you roll a Tzimisce, then you are the one doing the hazing. What, you really want to piss of the Dragons?Also, Sabbat isn't comically evil per se, it's more often than not the grunts that are retarded. Once you start climbing up the sect ladder things are starting to get interesting.
>>723588215When is he going to upload the Friggin Chicken review?
>>723589181>Have you played the Clan Quest Mod?Is it good? I've never played any mod quests, only the unofficial plus stuff.
>>723588613>>723589135I'd imagine because it's easier to focus on the main conflict of Camirilla and Anarchs who're "friendly". who work very easily in the narrative and mechanically. Whereas being openly Sabbat makes you a Kill On Sight target, it's not impossible I can imagine something like having it be that your "induction" is via a double agent working in one of the prior factions and eventually you can just branch off and join them outright. It's just a lot more difficult since the other two factions are more or less the same thing with a disagreement on management.
>>723589181>Have you played the Clan Quest Mod?I did. It was actually a pretty fun, nuanced portrayal.
>>723589621Unless you are in the Sabbat-controlled territory.
Anyone tried this mod? Is it any good?https://www.moddb.com/mods/la-by-nightLooks nice based on screenshots.
>>723589516A game where you climb up and the NPCs get less retarded could be interesting but it'd probably would be a tough sell for the start I think>>723589621That seems like it takes a lot of effort writing and I wouldn't trust modern vidya writers with that, any sort of nuanced portrayal to vampire supremacists that isn't aping modern MAGA/right wing discourse would be a miracle
>>723589595Yeah it's pretty good
>>723589595You get to personally kill Nines Rodriguez and that alone makes in a 10/10 mod. Also, you can bully Damsel so hard, she becomes a member of your Sabbat pack.
>>723589586he is going make the chicken a vampire and then eat it live
>>723589931Holy hell who is the hot topic cutie on the right?
>>723588613I don't like the focus of Factions in general and think things work better if the focus is based on local Clan interactions. Which is what your faction pretty much is 99% of the time anyway. Anarch vs Camarilla is essentially just making the Ventrue vs Brujah beef everyone else's problem.
>>723590018I actually don't remember her. Isn't she just some Sabbat-affliated ghoul?
>>723590056There is a reason why post 1e editions of VtM ditched the Camarilla vs Anarchs conflict for Camarilla vs Sabbat, with Anarchs being those annoying kind nobody gives a fuck about.Because Anarchs are fucking boring. You pick an Anarch when you don't feel like comitting to either Sabbat or Camarilla.
>>723589229Well, to be fair, I wasn't expecting an actual GOTY game anyway.I thought there would be some uber shit like Veilguard writing. If they nail the aesthetics it wont top the first game of course, but it will be playable.
>>723590283to be fair, my expectations were low but somehow seeing the way characters talk and the writing and the quirky redditor voice in your head it ends up with my expectations being even lower. Playable? SureGood? It'd be a miracleAll the reviews are riffing on the game's plot being somewhat nonsensical and the game being shallow outside of atmosphere
>>723590283>I thought there would be some uber shit like Veilguard writing.Well, the plotline of Bloodlines 2 is "two cunts are simping for some guy that's been dead for a while and they make it everybody's problem".And then there is just pure nonsense happening. I am 99% sure TCR pulled a lot of lore out of their assess, because that's not how it fucking works in tabletop at all.
>>723589931Sabbat are the coolest gang ever. I can't believe grognards thought Anarchs were the cool guys. Sabbat just makes more sense and even non-Tzimisce clans are delightful.
>>723583294W...why? What have I missed? Does it suck?
I think vampires SUCK
>>723590539>I can't believe grognards thought Anarchs were the cool guys.Nobody ever thought Anarchs are cool. It's V5 that is really trying to make them look cool. But in our tabletop sessions back in the day, nobody played as them. My sessions were mostly Camarilla- focused (because I am team Tremere), my buddy's sessions were Sabbat-focused and the Anarchs were a cannon fodder for our PCs.
>>723590256Anarchs are annoying because most Brujah and by extension Gangrel who hang out with Brujah are annoying. If you made every single Camarilla member act like Lacroix people would say that faction is annoying too. But for some reason WW writers have the common sense to not do that meanwhile nearly every single Anarch at some point is going to go on about some moral sophistry instead of just being able to say "Yeah this is my turf, don't tell me what to do"If the majority of Anarchs were like the Baron of Hollywood no one would really be bothered by them.
>>723590539>Sabbat just makes more senseIn the way that they want to destroy Antediluvians/keep them asleep as deeply as possible, yes. In the whole "rah rah freedom from the Elders" ideology they peddle, no. If anything, Sabbat Elders are even more influential and monstrous than Cammie ones.Sabbat is almost gone in V5, sadly. WW did them real dirty.
>>723590757Ah, fellow Tremere enjoyer. Tremere are Camarilla's Tzimisce. Great taste.>>723590870And in the Anne Rice novels the inspiration for Sabbat are some vigilante thin-bloods who hunt evildoers. The main character are Anarchs, though.
>>723590018Arianna, Hazel's ghoul
>>723590772And Brujah themselves are actually a very cool clan if you can play them properly. They are called the Learned Clan for a reason. It's just that most media portrays them as those raging antifa retards. While in reality, they are probably the most in tune with their Humanity, moreso than the Toreador.
>>723590110>>723591029Nice
>>723583294My Dearest Sebastian LaCroix,My heart is yours, unwavering, no matter how these communist fiercely they tried to drag your name through the mud. Let them whisper of your wrongs, let betrayers turn their backs, none of it dims your truth in my eyes. The world may scorn you, happy of your departure, but your vision burns bright, etched forever in the warmth of my soul. You are, and always will be, my guiding star.Yours eternally,(You)
>>723583294Don't have to tell me twicebut during the Stone Age....
>>723590870Damn, I never noticed the absolute knockers on that dead chick in the middle.
>>723591029Hazel was such an entertaining guy. If you pick the Setite bitch over him there is something wrong with you. Yes, she's the more "moral" of the two, but who the fuck cares?
>>723583294>Give! Me! A! Remaster!
>>723591006IIRC the whole concept of the Sabbat came from this movie
>>723591291That and The Lost Boys. Because don't tell me that David's gang isn't a proto-Sabbat pack.
Sorry. But I will. I like watching car crashes.
>>723591291But even here they're good vigilante guys.Btw whatever happened to Giovannis? Are they Camarilla or Sabbat?
>>723591230Maybe a fan remake/mod for cyberpunk 2077 in like 15 years from now like the reawakened project for skyrim kek
>>723591228>Malk antitribu who is batshit even by his clan's standards and is also a plague spreadervs.>a no-nonsense, practical Setite chick whose only drawback is being a spicWow, what a hard choice.
I went ahead and preordered it. Partly because I want to experience whatever the fuck it is firsthand, partly because I want to see if there's a Hunter the Parenting reference tucked away somewhere.just hoping it doesn't have some PC-bricking tier bug
>>723591428They are and always were independent. Also, don't get me started on the Giovanni in V5. There is retarded lore change (Assamite joining the Camarilla), there is a VERY retarded lore change (Lasombra are joining the Camarilla) and then there is Giovanni - I'm sorry, Hecata.
>>723591556>I want to see if there's a Hunter the Parenting reference tucked away somewhereThat would require the writing to remove that massive stick from its ass and actually have some moment of levity.
>>723591571I don't understand these good old companies like White Wolf, Chaosium, Atlas Games and Cubicle 7 (no need to mention H*sbro) making each new iteration of their games a hate letter to their fans.
>>723591812>Just one more demographics, if we just had one more demographic we'd make so much more money just a few more demographics please god
>>723591393Fright Night 2 too I'd say but Near Dark definitely was the biggest influence on Bradstreet's artwork
>>723591571>and then there is Giovanni - I'm sorry, Hecata.The whole idea of Giovanni joining forces with the Harbingers (who want nothing more than to erase them off the face of the earth) and the fucking Nagaraja of all people is so pants-on-head retarded that I do not even want to get into it.
>>723590536>Well, the plotline of Bloodlines 2 is "two cunts are simping for some guy that's been dead for a while and they make it everybody's problem".That's pretty funny.
>>723591812It's the retarded belief that people who were your customers once will stay your customers forever.
>>723584861VOTM Cain exists and doesn't really give a shit about his descendants at this point? last time I read a the game book was 20 years ago.
any lorefags who can explain to me why did the first city ruled by Kane and his children failed?having an immortal ruler would be beneficial in the long run
Best girl passing through
>>723591983We are in a reality where the Assamite joined hands with the fucking Tremere and Ventrue are suddenly buddy-buddy with the Lasombra.So what next, Salubri and the Tremere are going to hug it out? Tzimisce will join the Anarchs?
>>723592089vampires are evil and get bored and fall into torpor over time, caine had already left the first city before the 2nd gen were killed by the antediluvians
>>723592089Because of the vampiric curse. The Beast is actually a big issue for the VtM vampires.
>>723592294>that second outfit with the exposed tummySex
>>723588613>I don't get why the writers are always doing them dirtySomething something bigotry. Sabbat arent even much more evil then the Camarilla they're just less human and that's what's fun. Maybe I want to RP as an evil character paradox???
>>723591571the lore is just a ruin atm but who gives a shit about canon
>>723592089Too many vamps getting ideas, too few mortals unhappy with the way things were set up. Eventually God decided Caine was a shitty mayor and treated the whole thing to a pressure wash.
>>723590870I think they fucked up the focus of Anarch and Sabbat in relation to the Camarilla in regards to Clan. Mostly that the factions are tied so heavily to particular clans when it really should be more of a Generational dispute more than anything. Also stupid that Anarchs are treated as "Social Reform" group when they're pretty much the least equipped to do that kind of stuff outside of their specific locale. Camarillas are fine playing under the rules of the Methuselah, forming a strict and static hierarchy.Anarchs are fine playing under the specific rules of their specific regional Elders, with some limited mobility within that systemSabbat say fuck everything and want to just operate individualistically. Power mobility linked to how strong your pack gets.Lasombra and Tzimsce, while very cool, never made sense to me as heads of the Sabbat since they're among the most hierarchical clans with intense control of sires of childer. Meanwhile Sabbat packs operate by distilling their blood among themselves, purposefully to dilute the concept of Clan and Generation among them.
>>723592426I really dig the first outfit. Those purple pants look hot as fuck in a tomboyish way and the bitch tee is cool also
>>723592447Thankfully, V20 is still a thing.
>>723592621i think anarchs should be replaced with autarks, vampires that dont want to be bothered by sects whether they are young brujah or ancient tzimisce the entire idea of heckin socialist revolutionaries in the middle ages is retarded
>>723589882idk most fan projects for vtmb are pretty eh
>>723592793
>>723592296>the Assamite joined hands with the fucking TremereThey still hate each other, and the Tremere are a pale shade of themselves. That, at least, I can understand.>Ventrue are suddenly buddy-buddy with the LasombraLasombra becoming suck-ups (heh) to the Ventrue while deluding themselves with "we're actually gonna run the whole thing from within" is just as retarded as the Hecata.>Salubri and the Tremere are going to hug it out?I think WW would rather quietly forget the Salubri even exist or even retcon them out the way they did with Children of Osiris. They wrote themselves into such a corner with their lore that they won't be getting out of it.>Tzimisce will join the Anarchs?Already happened, at least with some of them. Most Tzims went indie, a few even joined the Cam. V5 is retarded as fuck.>>723592621Packs are the lowest rung of the Sabbat, essentially cannon fodder. There's a reason Tzims and Lasombras used to run the whole thing, without hierarchy the Sabbat would disintegrate in a day. The whole individualism and power mobility is just the spiel they used to feed the fledglings.
>>723592621>Lasombra and Tzimsce, while very cool, never made sense to me as heads of the Sabbat since they're among the most hierarchical clans with intense control of sires of childer.They are also the clan that embody "MY rules not YOUR rules" philosophy the most. So naturally they would be the ones to reject the sect that relies on systemic order, because you don't tell a Tzimisce warlord what to do.
>>723592857
It's gonna be great
>>723591039>biker quoting Locke at you or something as he tard rages beats your face in
>>723591230>spends entire time on assets instead of just giving a good redo on the shadingI'm upset desu assets are fine just give a nice improvement to the shading that doesn't overdo it
>>723591556>>723591802>Paradox and TCR EVER referencing a fan project that is more liked and popular than their actual game releaseThat'd be the day huh
Kill all vampires.Also I started listening to Collide. Pretty good.https://youtu.be/MyJKV0zZFHs?list=PLZSe0vDSNXedN1ARTEn6lHWRhjtAy4ni6
>>723592861>and the Tremere are a pale shade of themselvesIt's funny how much of a hateboner the writers had for the Tremere since time immemorial. And what's even more funny is that this is probably one of the most popular clans among the fandom. How do you call the opposite of character shilling? The thing that is popular with the fandom but hated by its creators?
>>723583294I won'tThey couldn't even bother to make an actual RPG. I've had enough of that with CyberpunkIf you sell the game as an RPG make a fucking RPG
>>723583294"I thought I had lost it all, but no, here you've sailed on a Gehenna wind, bearing my salvation - the key to my future.">What are you so happy about?"Buy - The - New - Game.">Fuck you"I SAID, BUY - THE - NEW - GAME!">Don't waste your time trying to dominate me
>>723583470
>>723593141The sad (?) thing is that Cyberpunk is million times more of an RPG than Bloodlines 2.
>>723592861>Tremere a pale shade of themselveskind of but apparently it's a galaxy IQ play to make people think Tremeres are on the decline
>>723591039The learned clan moniker is more meant to show how far the brujah have fallen from the days of Carathge or even the Middle Ages into pointless riotous and contrarian punks who just lash out at Vampire society for not being what they envisioned.One of the themes of Redemption is the decline of the Brujah in modern nights
>>723591039>They are called the Learned Clan for a reason
>>723585230Him being a taxi driver just makes perfect sense really. Caine is cursed to forever wander the world of his children, but never allowed to be part of it. Him being a taxi driver who never reveals himself, but always keeps an eye on kindred activities, and never intervenes beyond nudging a few pieces here and there in a certain direction, it's kino.
>>723591486A mod that adapts that old Cyberpunk Vampire book is more likely
Is Antitribu mod any good? I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it here, just UP and CQM.
>>723592861Yeah but Sabbat packs are like 99% of the thing and the aspect everyone actually plays with. I think as long as you had a Survivor or two, or the Sabbat were written to be slightly less suicidally retarded, you'd have enough of a recruitment pool from disgruntled fledgelings and the fact you have no one preventing you from makes new Childer, so I think their numbers would be fine. You could also have Sabbat sympathizers within the Camarilla or Anarchs purposefully encouraging the Childer of Elders they don't like to defect. >>723592880That naturally feels like something that would fall more to the Anarchs. Sabbat is specifically forming a large number of rogue vampire groups only loosely affiliated and controlled by the upper echelons of the Sabbat. I would imagine Tzimsce would be annoyed by that as much as someone trying to tell them what to do.
>>723583294I won't. Reminder TCR hates Bloodlines and thinks they made a better game.
>>723593240MAKE BRUJAH GREAT AGAIN
>>723593126I think you call that the charismatic punching bag. Tremmies have been hated by White Wolf from the beginning though kek, I think maybe they wanted to just have a pure vampire game but decided a ttrpg without wizards in it wouldn't sell so they reluctantly added the Tremere. Funnily enough Vampire has maybe the most classic physical/mental effects with very little actual spellcasting outside of Tremere and every other splat is like "you want magic? here's some magic"
>>723593508proof?
whatever happened to that RTX mod for the og bloodlines?
>>7235931412077 wasn't much of an RPG but at least they got the setting and atmosphere right, Night City even reminded me of Bloodlines' LA at times. Bloodlines 2 on the other hand just looks generic as fuck, it lacks that eerie 2am feel
>>723593762>Mr. Spielberg loved this shot
>>723584803What those faggots over at WW think is canon means nothing to me.
>>723593347CDPR really dropped the ball by not pulling a Blood and Wine for 2077
>>723583470its one of those french jokes
>>723583294Imma be replaying Redemption instead
>>723585230If he was cain he'd give my nos arse a lift instead of making me slog through the sewers.
>>723583470He's a Ventrue.
>>723593585Everything they have said
>>723594549what did they say. (dominate) speak. faggot.
>>723590870>In the way that they want to destroy Antediluvians/keep them asleep as deeply as possibleThis is Sabbat propaganda. They want to diablerize the Antediluvians. Remember, diablerie is very common among the Sabbat.Sure, this will stop Gehenna, but will give all the power to them, which they will use to rule the world.
>>723593170I have grown to dislike Nines and the others, LaCroix is still retarded but they're not much better. He gets way too much praise despite not really standing for much. Jack and Abrams seems more sensible by comparison. They just kind of wanted to live their unlife and not have to deal with political bullshit. But Nines is trying to represent the underdog which is hilarious because Kindred are even more individualistic than humans. Not to mention when you mention how similar the Anarchs are to the Camarilla he flips at you. I mean he's cool for saving the PC but he is to Jack what Damsel is to him.
>>723594887>They want to diablerize the Antediluviansdoesn't that always backfire though? diablerize seems to be fine when you are just eating a lower fledgling but gets weirder when you start sucking on the big boys because they can just overpower/mind control you through sheer willpower
>>723595351Didn't backfire for Uncle Auggie. Augie? Augustus Giovanni. Didn't backfire for most lesser cases of diablerie, either.
The new shill strategy is to call this footage sped up when it's not, here's the video with audio and it syncs https://files.catbox.moe/aky76o.mp4
>>723592294>vest on top of jacket
>>723595535>Didn't backfire for Uncle AuggieI mean, outside of the fact that Uncle Auggie is essentially a barely cognizant vegetable, things went dandy for him.
>>723595667You're thinking of Tre-"all according to keikaku"-mere.
>>723595740No, I'm thinking of Giovanni specifically.
>>723595351>>723595535Diablerie backfires when you're trying to consume a vampire so outside of your realm without appropriately superhuman willpowerand even if >>723595667 doesn't happen at best you might get schizoid delusions of reliving past events from the POV of whoever you consumed, and that's assuming the soul doesn't try to fight you for dominance like what happened with Tremere who by all accounts had superhuman willpower and still lost
It's been great
>>723595592>that frame skip>the cartoonish bleh bleh bleh accent>the shit dialogueSIX FUCKING YEARS!
VtMB X Deadcock event when
>>723594340I also played a ventrue and I was much cooler than Lacroix
>>723595351Went exceedingly well for Troile.
>>723584791Too sexy for the game. Outstar's OC self insert is probably the cutest NPC but even then, she's built like a fridge. Phyre has a braless deep V shirt and there's that Toreador in charge of that Atrium club has that too. But they don't have breasts so it's like staring at a a young man's chest. Every new design pales in comparison to what little we saw of Elif
>>723596126>polish troon is the best looking model I hope the chink room gets raped by a pack of muslims and their studio burnt to the fucking ground.
>>723595637Very common pairing in the punk/metal scene since like the late 70s
>>723596339
>>723585230His dialogue in both the game and the game files is literally labeled "caine"
>>723583294>"Trust the Ai. Good evening..."
>>723595996Pic related is actually a pretty cool design for a Gangrel character
>>723596473not pale and sickly enough. also not french enough.
>>723596573THE LOIF UVA TRU GANGREL GEEZA
>>723595995I'm glad you don't like the shitty accent because for half of the game you don't even play as Phyre! And wait there's more! You get to listen to this shitty Malk detective who never. stops. fucking. talking. all the time because Phyre diablerized him so he's inside your head and half the game are just his memories with no combat sections. TCR delayed the game a year to write more shit for Fabien.
>>723596573isn't he supposed to be a werewolf character or is it literally >le animalistic vampire
>>723596126I don't mind she being flat chested but it seems they made some minor changes in the TCR model to look more like Outstar. It's a shame they didn't made those pants lowerAlso Onda looks fine too
>>723596867I don't know why people are so weird about gangrels.Transforming into animals is one of the most iconic vampire powers ever.
>>723596867Dunno I haven't played Deadlock lmao but he looks like a suckhead to me. Animalistic vampires are kino
>>723585230He's just a larping malk
>>723596848>TCR delayed the game a year to write more shit for Fabien
>>723597047It's the closest thing to their specialty, the walking sim
>>723583294i already did lol
>>723596956I think it's because Gangrels play up the animalism and also it doesn't help that they're basically vampire hobos and live out in the woods
>>723596956Gangrel fucks
>>723596339huh guess I'm just too square for the punk aesthetic.
>>723596848>>723597047Also there's really no secret plot twist about Fabien being evil or anything, he's just there for most of the game. It's kind of boring but also he has more personality than Phyre. He dies because, get this, Phyre goes into the sun to escape and Fabien had enough power to protect him so Phyre could crawl a whole sidewalk into a sewer. Is that even possible in canon that a diablerized vampire ancilla can protect an elder from the sun?
>>723597170Hobos are awesome in urban fantasy
>>723583294I rolled Gangrel from the personality test and I didn't want to play some fucken rasta lookin vampire
>>723583294will be pirating. kinda excited to see how shit it is
>>723597248This game is going to get torn apart, even the shill has fucked off for the most part. Man, tuesday can't come fast enough. I wonder if it will be as fun as the Trannyguard release.
>>723596573That's just Lycan from Dota
>>723597324Gangrel are very much anti-urban fantasy outside of PC, have fun finding another gangrel other than Beckett
>>723597170>>723597324Bloodlines' hobos are fucking tanks
IMO if they wanted to go for the le two personalities inside a body, they should've just had a younger vampire from a higher generation share their mind with a supposed antitribu elder who hates the Camarilla, the Sabbat and the Anarchs. Have the elder be controlling, manipulative and untrustworthy but ultimately the neonate trusts him because every other vampire is out to fuck them, and then half-way you discover the elder wants to take over your body, and at some points he did and made shit worse for you. Fuck it, go all Manhunt 2 on that bitch. Leo had a fun personality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1v-B8pty50
Is there really no escape from vampire politics without getting fucked? Or are you pretty much doomed to lick the boot of whatever faction and clan you end up with if you want a modicum of comfort in your unlife?
>V5 just takes Giovanni and combines them with other clans to create HecataWhat were they thinking?
>>723597372Isn't male gangrel pc supposed to be inspired by the guys of Korn? Very 2000s indeed
>>723597784They wanted to consolidate all flavor of necromancer
>>723597407I hope for Paradox's sake they didn't spend too much on that shill since he made me go from not caring about a sequel 20 years later to actively hating it and laughing at how shit it is
>>723597683Kindred are inherently hierarchical, it’s a massive pyramid scheme for power.
>>723597838kek I forget that's a late 90's mid 00's haircut. Still looks retarded
>>723597683Yeah vampires are very political. Unless you're a gangrel chad, then you can just fuck off and live innawoods.
>>723596956>>723597170pre V5 gangrel are cool in my book
>>723598143kind of looks like postal dude
>>723598143>gangrel thinking he can 1v1 a werewolf
Should I just install the steam version that I own or pirate the gog version?
>>723597248>Also there's really no secret plot twist about Fabien being evil or anythingYeah, because the secret plot twist about the real villain is even dumber.>Is that even possible in canon that a diablerized vampire ancilla can protect an elder from the sun?IIRC, no, because that's not how diablerie works. Granted, Saulot was able to pull some crazy shit, but then again, he's a fucking antedeluvian.
Yukie. Wife. That is all.
>>723598316 (me)I'm talking about the original VtMB of course
>>723596956It's because we know exactly why you're playing the furry clan.>oh, I'm not playing a Toreador stripper to try to turn the table into a magical realm game! I'm just playing a cliche!
>>723598397GOG version is actually stable.
>>723598261Soul patches were also pretty popuiar back then>>723598305Yeah he's fucked but at least went out with a bang
>>723598483>Soul patches were also pretty popuiar back thenHeh, I used to have one myself.
>>723598316The steam version is just an extra couple of clicks, you download the unofficial patch and that's it. You change the launcher options and you can play the unofficial patch without issue.
>>723598143That dude is fucked
>>723598316install steam version > download the patchSimple
>>723595592Two tranny characters I can barely tell apart. Can't even tell what sex they are. They are ugly and so forgettable. They look like they are from Valorant and their clothes too. The background looks AI-generated, I don't even know what it's supposed to be. The shit neon-pink Valorant filters are awful and break any immersion one could have.I still can't believe they managed to convince me to NOT buy their game and to NOT pirate their game. That is an achievement in itself.Tempted to enroll in Computer Science just so I can learn how to hack and then hack these paradicks c*nts and release the 2019 build myself.
where's my werewolf gf
>>723598378>Yukie was 18 in 2004>She should have 38 years by 2024Imagine how milfy she must be now...
>>723598540
>>723598668Been asking myself the same question
Why are there reviews of it when it's not even released yet?
>>723599125Anon I ...
>>723599125Because people got their copies already. You can find full playthroughs on YT. And yes, it is as awful as you can imagine. Probably the biggest flop in the gaming industry alongside Concord.
>>723599119ngl I liked 2 more than 1, but both are so good.
>>723599476Me too. We don't talk about the third one
>>723599569yup.
>>723598424Whatever dude *turns into mist*
>>723599856
>>723599902
>>723595995UH ACKSHUALLY it's 4 years till TCR got their hands on it in 2021 but still it shouldn't excuse their piss poor work
>>723599972
>>723600050Nossie gals are cute actually
>>723600124
>cutest one is the nossieInverse world
>>723599856lmao these are great, they have shitpost energy, dare I hope it's not AI?
>>723600178
>>723600202from their deviantart:Full stock list is really big. Part of the stock is from freepik, unsplash and pixabay. The other part is from my own resources or painted by me. I'll try to add full stock credit later. The stuff inside the aquarium was made by AI, except for the fish(unsplash.com/photos/closeup-ph…) and clan detail.The main character - www.freepik.com/free-photo/bru…https://unsplash.com/photos/closeup-photo-of-ten-pet-fish-N608DF9lq94https://www.freepik.com/free-photo/brunette-girl-black-evening-dress-holding-glass-wine-against-white-room-with-bed_26457305.htm
>>723600202>they have shitpost energyhuh?And no it doesn't look like AI to me
Why didn't LaCroissant use fortitude to tank the bomb
>>723600201They always have been
>>723600454He wasted all his blood dominating and presencing the security forces beforehand. He used his last drop to dominate the player.More importantly, and I welcome fa/tg/uys to correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's quite how fortitude works.
i don't know how vtmb has managed to mantain discussion on /v/ for literal years.i got absolutely everything i could from it in less than a week, it is not a very deep game.
>>723600694It's all about the vibes, man
>>723600382I am trembling with glee, three of these are wallpaper material right away>>723600427the Tremere one is very shazzam-like, watching the new game bomb after they fired Mitsoda and Rik>>723600454he didn't put any points in it because he speedrun his build to gain political power, unlike the Fledgling who did favours to anyone mildly polite regardless of reward (looking at you Damsel, a big fucking nothing for solving your ZOMBIE ISSUES RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR BASE)
How would you make a VtM/WoD game? I feel like VtM:B got it mostly right in basically being a Vampire Deus Ex. >hub based world with lots of smaller social hubs>unarmed/melee/ranged are all viable>generic story with expected twists and turns and lots of lore call backs and windows into the setting (personally I think most adaptions of setting are fucked by trying way too hard with stupid 'original' stories and characters)>ghoul recruitment / safehouse development
>>723600694Metagaming is what kills the discussion. The reason I can keep talking about it is because I examine the console for decisions the devs made that help explain gaps in the game. Those gaps lead to further extrapolations of what went wrong at Troika. That, in turn, leads to community suggestions for how to make a good VtM game that would not only capture the soul of Bloodlines, but also make it mechanically approachable to the average player.For example, the auto-level function DOES have different stat spreads at character creation based on the player’s history, which is disabled in the final release. It does NOT have different level-up paths based on said history because, again, the function was disabled. Auto-leveling also requires too much XP than what the game offers to ever reach 5 dots in everything. What do you make of all of this information?
>>723600783>very shazzam-likeAh I see kek that's true. That pic always reminds me of this
>>723600694helps that it has an entire catalog of ttrpgs backing it up and the fact that ppl like vampires and other supernatural shit in general.
>>723601061its pink lemonade, it could be watered down blood.
>>723583294I wasn't gonna.
>>723601024>What do you make of all of this information?That Troika was stupid?Coukd've eaaily just made a "Standard" stat plan for Each Clan.
>>723600908By ignoring V5 stuff and being set in the late 90s
>>723600694this game did surprise me from time to time, like some low humanity reactions which are only possible if you kill a few NPCs from the get-go before talking to anyonealso there's the>setting>people's reactions to stuff>pornand the very fact that "common sense" seems to be a superpower in this setting
>>723601315Yeah I don’t think deep discussion is something you’re capable of. Oh, well, at least I gave you an honest opportunity!
>>723600050>>723600178>>723599972HRRRRRRRRRNNNNNN
>>723601349On the flip side Gary is incredibly hostile if you’re a Toreador/Ventrue and openly fantasizes about boiling your skin off.
>>723601542Gary is based
>>723601404You tell me that Troika failed at something sime a dozen JRPGs do and then call me stupid for thinking they're retarded?
>>723600627it is how it works, the game just have a blood cost for it, fortitude can soak aggravated damage (fire) and adds to your stamina pool for everything elsebut enough explosives to blow up a car is 15 dices of damage point blank, so 7 Health level average (instant death if not soaked)there's at least twice that in there
>>723601061>>723601234lmao saved>>723601542I probably should do a t-800 ventrue playthrough, saving it for the clan quest mod since I read the Ventrue and Malkavian questlines are especially interesting
Not a single Bloodlines 2 (both HSL and TCR) female character is as hot as the VTMB1 ones. Fucking how?
>>723602165Difference between early 2000s american xulture(beloved by all) and 2020s American Culture(hated by all but srill copied by other countries for some reason)
>>723600908I won’t give you every idea I have but this is the most obvious one: Every NPC has a handful, if not all, of the following dialogue trees:A) Ask them a generic question(s)B) If a merchant, ask for their inventoryC) Leave conversationD) Skill-based dialogue that opens them up to offering you help without permanently harming their disposition to youE) Persuasion-based dialogue that causes them to offer slight help with no disposition harmF) Intimidation-based dialogue that rewards you with the same help as the skill-based tree, but comes with a disposition penalty. If the penalty is too high, the NPC becomes actively hostile and offers no help whatsoever.G) Seduction-based where the NPC offers you the same help as the skill-based tree, but increases your disposition with them instead. However, seduction only works on characters of the opposite gender; if you take the Homosexual history, it works on the same gender instead.H) Haggle-based tree, which is only available when discussing trades involving currency or material goods. Haggling can’t be used for charity; you must be offering up something yourself for this to be available. Haggling automatically affects merchant prices, as well.
>>723600454he was already almost empty, hurt, in shock and didn't exactly have his marbles>wanting to give the succ to an Elder when he was too hurt to even standalso, he was on the 50th floor or such, jumping out the window may have worked if he landed on the "closest" rooftop of his tower but that was also unlikely for the same 3 reasons above>>723600694this will sound Toreador as fuck but I use VtM and, to a lesser degree, the WoD setting to filter people for friendship materialsome of my best friends have played Bloodlines, even those who otherwise never touched a computer game in their lives (and haven't since)it's just *that* good; millenials resonate with it, zoomers understand the before-times, and I've used lines from this gaym in the normie world with great effect>once you go gross, nothing comes close
>>723602165I could give you the run down but the mods would kill the thread
Fresh OC from a recent modding fuck-up>an abstract kind of feelhttps://files.catbox.moe/im9gz0.mp4
>>723596867Drifter is 100% a vampire with blood-themed abilities
>>723584379In that version of vtm, LA was anarch for centuries before the Camarilla showed upThe Kuei-jin also crept in during that time Jack made a power play for the anarchs at the same time the Camarilla tried to get rid of the Anarchs for good (the Nines setup)In the end the clusterfuck stops with only the Anarchs left standing no matter what choices you make
>>723602506kek why are they like this
>>723602406Still can't get over the fact that her cleavage is just a painted texture, I really thought they were real 20 years ago.
>>723602506LITERALLY what I looked like after being embraced desu
>>723602506>it's an end of days thinblood Gehenna kind of feel
>>723602506>the music running in the background business as usual>le instagram face>last tag is homosexual
>>723602774>her cleavage is just a painted textureThe fuck?
>>723602278Do they have free speech in other countries? I see that as a talking point alot and I'm wondering if some people know their own cultures.
>>723603008Just look it dog there's no real depth to it.
>>723603008Cloth physics on top of jiggle physics still don’t exist in video games…
>>723603067Yeah I never noticed that before. Always seemed fully modeled to me
>>723600694Because the characters put on great performances. It's the same reason people discuss movies many years later despite them being 90-120 min long and typically shallow. nobody in VTMB threads ever talks about combat or level design etc. it's just the characters. They worked wonders with the source engine and the 90s/2000s era goth type characters literally cannot be replicated anymore.
>>723600908>Vampire/WoD Dude Sex would be the ideal>Vampire/WoD Disco Elysium would be a close 2ndas >>723601340 says>Fuck v5 and either pretend it didn't happen or set it in earlier times
>>723603057USA has far more free speech than Europe does, and better standards of living than Africa, some parts of Asia and the rest of America.
>>723603149speaking of level design, yeah the levels are usually linear but man the raw variety in Bloodlines is incredible>junky den>train station>hospital>snuff-film tier mansion>sewers, catacombs, warrens>Giovanni mansion and their weird catacombs place>dilapidated building>the shipYeah it's not groundbreaking but it sure is cool
>>723603149I'd say the atmosphere is more talked about than the characters
>>723583470he gave into the beast
>>723603008>two shots, house rules, but you decide whereyou can hardly fathom my dissapointment that this kind of brittish slag (70s-2010s) went out of style by the time I got to visit the Bri'ish
>>723602679Before you stands a true warrior of the Dark Father. I am the Sword of Caine!
>>723590723astute observation, anon
>>723584379Cain wanted to hope for another Kingdom he could rule, and the Anarchs being in control would have lead that to happen. He directly says this if you are a malk and imply he is cain.
>>723588613clan quest mod is supposedly really good, I have to do it the next time I replay
Caine is a sinner, vampires are the spawn of satan, and Grunfeld was a hero
>>723603425If you think about it, most of these are typical horror movie locations. That's another reason I think VTMB has enduring fans, it taps into a universal "pulp horror" appeal that never really goes out of style. Some other vampire media takes itself too seriously and ends up being cringeworthy or twilight-esque fapfic about the curse of darkness gripping their bloodstained soul, while others aren't serious enough and feel like pure comedy with no horror atmosphere. VTMB feels like the kind of game where the next level might be legitimately unnerving, but also a spooky skeleton might pop out of the closet and start talking.
>>723603560TO THE ABYSS WITH THEE
>>723603745Well said, yeah it very much is very in-tune with what sort of game and genre it's going for which very much helps the atmosphere. Sadly 2 doesn't seem to even try for this so you get a lot of same-y houses and inner-city areas
>>723603560>when the zoomer sorc puts a 640x480 cantrip on you that lasts 24h
>>723599125people who pre-ordered were able to get their hands on the game early
>>723603852It's a paradox (lol) of game budgetsGames got higher-fidelity but that means more investment in fewer assets, and less variety. RPGs back then could have a dozen different environments on a normal budget. Because every box or railing or whatever was a few primitives with a texture out of some pack.Now you get stuff like The Outer Worlds where the objects and scenery in the last level are the same as in the first level. The only exceptions are games that cheat by using asset libraries, which makes it even worse in the long run because now every game looks the sameand the case that you actually have the budget for unique assets, you end up dumping 300 trillion dollars into modeling ultra HD sandwiches with eight sextillion triangles like Starfield.It's a no-win situation. We must RETVRN to low poly.
>>723603745VTMB is enduring because it establishes vampire lore that pretty much no other property develops at all. From the get-go it describes exactly how society does not know the vampires exist because that is as fundamental a question is as infrequently answered as answering how the fuck zombies win. VTMB has fucking answers for all the questions nerds have. Answers fill in the gaps that prevent something from being stupid.
>>723592484>implying it wasn't that cunt *od being jealous that Cain and Enoch were relatively successful and he deserved continued punishment because *od is a petty bitch.
>>723604142At the game dev company I run in my mind (I’m what you might call an “Ideas Guy”) the graphics and performance levels are determined by what was top-end tech for a PC from 10 years prior to our development beginning.
assuming you'd want to stick your stake in crazy, how would you appease Thereseespecially if you were a noss
>>723604305Therese is begging to be manhandled just like how her father would rape her. Women love men who treat them like their fathers did, unlike men who hate women that act like their mothers.
>>723604305play daddy
>>723604396it's funny you mention that because if you're rude to Therese all the way, she screams at you something like "I will no longer obey you, mother"it adds an even deeper layer of "how fucked up was her family"
>>723595147Agreed, but I think that was the intention. He wants to save the PC and fulfill his self-righteous need which serves a narrative purpose, but when confronted with undeniable truth and apt comparisons he stonewalls the player and becomes hostile.The writing does a good job of showing the hypocrisy from all angles, including the Persuasion lines from Strauss who despite wanting to supplant LaCroix, will still put his Clan and pyramid first were he to rule.
>>723594279Any of the mods good for this? The one Age of Redemption mod looks intriguing but the one person I know who played it said it was trash.
what if Therese isn't a Malkavian and she's just genuinely that fucked up
>>723601542dug this up from the pre-CHICKEN JOKEY incidenthttps://vocaroo.com/13bRPyiKAmuR
>>723604709Yeah, they all have their faults, I guess the game just sort of frontloads Nines with a bunch of good stuff so its hard to see everything else. I'm doing a Tremere playthrough for the first time and it really made me see everything since I'm not really hardline for either but more myself and the clan.
>>723583470Knew he was being treated like a joke/scapegoat when he was shunted off to LA, so he wanted to grab power and prove himself however he could. Led to him acting like a desperate retard, to no ones real surprise.
>>723605175How can one man be so based
>>723594279God I loved this game growing up. Going through the medieval to modern day was amazing. The online lobbies, the mods, everything. That game is what got me into PC gaming.Can it even still be played? I'd have lost my CD rom ages ago. I assume there are torrents for it and what not but I'm too scared to break my nostalgia goggles
>>723596473>>723583294>>723596665it obviously has to be this guy
>>723605447followed that link in the history and apparently there were three in totalthose first few threads were truly specialhttps://vocaroo.com/1nkM3dOhjNM0https://vocaroo.com/19gl2Fks60V9
Its like Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines, except with no hot girls.
>>723605657Thats good
>>723605504when I got the game I assumed it was just set in the dark ages and the CD cover was some bullshit the local black market printedfinished the game with a vocabulary fit to plap my english teacher>scared to break my nostalgia gogglescombat is uniquely shit, invest heavily into chance to hit, and remember every party member can feed off each other if required>the soundtrack in Viennahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMMHPy5GQhI
>>723605670stop being a faggot for woman
>>723605242Nines is supposed to sound condescending (calling you “kid” all the time) and get overly emotional (how he flips out over a small insult). Then there’s the company he keeps: Damsel, a Commie cunt that needs late-stage capitalism to crush her Red pussy; Skelter, a war vet who is so terrified of his own shadow he snaps at you to whisper Caine’s name while inside an Elysium, and Jack, who is so fucking far beyond everyone else he doesn’t give two shits about who you’re butt-buddies with.Even at the end game, Nines does nothing to help you AND claims all of your credit if you side with the Anarchs.
>>723583294I will probably do another playthrough of BL1 on launch day>>723605670https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3TjwVB4VPc
>>723605963It was supposed to be condescending? I guess I didn't see it that way since the last time I played I was a teenager.
>>723605963>you're quite literally a fresh vamp>calls you kid (essentially you're like 2 days old to the society)Seems reasonable
>>723605963everyone in this game is a condescending prick towards you but that's part of the setting, new vampires have a lot to learn and usually it falls on their sire to teach them, but you don't have that privilege
>>723605447he's legitimately the best looking Nos in the game
>>723606001I still listen to albums from this game all the time, to the point that I could sing along to that parody. There's only like ten songs and the edgelord albums they're from are rent free in my head forever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRu-5pbn0qs
>>723606078>>723606117>>723606152As a member of <<<GANGREL GANG>>> I don’t respond well to being talked down to since I have this thing called “pride”. Maybe you slack-jawed faggots are okay with that, but I still have my cock and balls after being embraced.
>>723606396pee is stored in the balls
>>723583948vmtb fags explain this to me>vampires are clinically dead>can't do 99,999995% of being alive unless they spend vitae(tm) to revive their bodies temporarily>if they stop spending vitae(tm) to keep their bodies working they go back to being corpse mode, even if their bodies become fully alive, because ______________________________________________________________>ghouls are clinically alive>they're just humans with vitae(tm) giving them powers>vitae isn't clinically alive, otherwise they would show up when examining vamps>so ghouls have some weird ass dead blood tissue zipping around their bodies>this doesn't show up or biologically affect the ghoul because ____________________________________no seriously what the fuck is vitae(tm) and why does it do whatever the fuck it wants to do?and quick reminder that most serious vampires (not ventrue) can survive on nonhuman blood so a self sustainable cooperative society between k*ne and kindred is perfectly possible.
>>723606396>Gangrel has cock and balls (not dog shaped)Fake>GangrelGay
>>723606396do you think a gangrel ever ended up with a horse cock due to their clan curse?
>>723606445>no seriously what the fuck is vitae(tm) and why does it do whatever the fuck it wants to do?
>>723606445Vitae is just magic, it's the cursed blood of Kaine which received divine super powers. As for why vampires and ghouls are different it's because Vampires have their souls bound to the vitae whereas ghouls just get boosted by the vitae but are not part of it. Vampires produce vitae by themselves while ghouls lose their stored vitae over time
>>723606445Vitae is just blood. Ghouls having blood is normal because humans always have blood. You wouldn't be able to tell anything is off unless you did clinical blood testing, not any more than you'd be able to look at someone and see they have sickle cell anemia.Vampires have to drink blood because they don't produce blood.>why does it do whatever the fuck it wants to do?Because God made it do that. (just like everything else in the universe)
>>723606445this post was made by a Hunter
>>723606396>a furry with prideStop the fucking presses!
>>723606660>Khaineand this post was made by a changeling
>>723606303if I go will you followme through the cracks and hollowand I will be your "cain"
>>723606530definitely happened in someone's pen and paper session, this game's full of gooners
>>723607008For a second I thought the penis was the one talking
it's been a nice thread but the sun will be up soon, lighty light
vampires shouldn't even be able to get it up since they're dead, except maybe for tremere
>>723607186blush of life is a thing
>>723607008I haven’t thought about Boy Blue in decades. Wow.
Yeah, yeah cool magic trick, nerd.So anyway, I hit him with a baseball bat.
>>723607186Tremere are beyond such trivialities as "getting it up". If I wanted a boner I'd conjure several hundred of them in you're mom's house. I'd reshape the blood of sixty-six virgins into a gateway to the Plane of Elemental Dicks and derive the Cocksmith's Stone that transmutes the fabric of spacetime from flaccid to erect. This is entry level stuff.
>>723607402>*hits u with a baseball bat*
>>723606530>Meet cute gangrel girl>She's cursed with a hyena pseudo penis
>>723607008
>>723607285I do at least once a year. Not because I'm a gooner but because I actually like Kevin Taylor's artstyle
>>723607440delete this
why did the anarchs just let the camarilla back into LA without a fight?
>>723607186if they can move the rest of their body's muscles surely the genitals should be movable too
>>723584523Clan Quest
>>723608023Californians are pussies
>>723607186what is stopping a tzimisce from grafting a whole guy to use as his personal penis? that one should get up since it's alive
>>723583294>Even fledgeling vampire superior to the majority of hunters, even hunters from the churchEven taking the above in consideration, how well do vampires hold up to tracer fire?
>>723608023Anarchs can't actually do shit about shit, they're always weak and unorganized. The Free State one a single war then became an unwitting Camarilla asset to fight the Sabbat and hunters for them like every other anarch group becomes.
>>723608121The Blood the last vampire ref comes full circle.
>>723608276Out fledgling vampire is OP as shit, hunters are an extreme threat to all neonates especially Society of Leopold niggas that might have access to True Faith
>>723608380>Out fledgling vampireDid you have a stroke while writing that?
>>723608023Because even if they have the numbers advantage they're severely disorganized.
>>723608276I don't know what the lore has to say but my thinking is that vampires are dead but their physical bodies still follow the rules of bodies in that you need all your parts to continue being a human - muscles matter. Enough bullets are going to shred enough nerves and muscles that you simply cannot move anymore. Your muscles can do more and move faster to be sure, but a bullet doesn't care and healing isn't fast enough.This is why werewolves always win - because they have more physical mass, like elephants.Hunters would know to group and and pack enough firepower to stop a vampire. Realistically they would be so good at hunting that they don't die as it would be so difficult to replace a member. The vampires' disadvantage is really their crippling paranoia that prevents them from actually trusting each other enough to withstand a group of Hunters.
>>723608692>he vampires' disadvantage is really their crippling paranoia that prevents them from actually trusting each other enough to withstand a group of HuntersThats part off why parties of player characters in VtM are so strong. Its a group that works for mutual benefit and gets past the bullshit for the most part.
>>723608692He asked about tracer rounds, anon. Tracer rounds are bullets with a burning block of magnesium fused into their tail. A regular FMJ wouldn't cause that much overall damage to an undead vampire, meaning you would have to dismember one with a chainsaw of full auto fire. A single tracer on the other hand would invoke a vampire's 10X weakness to fire.
>>723608692>The vampires' disadvantage is really their crippling paranoia that prevents them from actually trusting each other enough to withstand a group of Hunters.Yeah that's the curse of caine, the eternal fear of your own blood kin stabbing you in the back. Vampires are basically humans who can't socialize and lose most of the advantages of being human as a result.
>>723596867he's a evil serial killer with a cajun accent that uses blood claws and hunts people down by their heartbeat
>>723608380what is stopping a fledgling from using True Faith himself (in tabletop)
>>723607537His artwork has a Tzimisce quality to it. At a casual glance it appears aesthetically pleasing. The more you look at it, however, you notice something about it that triggers the senses which detects something is grotesque.
>>723608861So theyre super autists? That... makes too much sense. And each clan is a different flavor of autistic.
>>723608951Vamps are sort of separated from the divine so its rare for them to have it.
>>723608951Realistically, if your faith was that intense and you get turned into a vampire your worldview would be shaken at least for some time. VTM is ultimately a game about storytelling so a character who developed that powerful of a connection with their faith, lost it, then regained it, must have gone through a very long and arduous story already. i.e. they're an endgame character. You don't just wake up one day as the patron saint of Cainites.
>>723609176At that point you would just achieve Golconda, no?
>>723609442If you reached Faith rating 10 you could simply cleanse yourself of the embrace and become mortal again. But that's like Jesus Christ tier miracles. Healing the sick with a touch and so on
>>723609442Golconda is about having such a high humanity you purge yourself of the Beast through an excruciating process. True Faith is having a devotion to a higher metaphysical power. Though they aren’t mutually exclusive both would take up so much of your time it would be nearly impossible to fulfill both, especially with how esoteric the processes are and the total lack of information available to either concept in-setting.
>>723608951On a fundamental level, True Faith at all stages is an unshakable belief in God. You only need to look at the world and realize there just aren't a lot of people out there like that. Because most people don't have their faith tested in a real way. I don't mean recovering from a loss or praying away a problem - I mean genuinely believing God has your back in this matter 100% and not letting ideas about reality get in the way of that.Like this would have to be the situation - someone with potential for True Faith gets turned and they do not despair at all because they still think God has their back. You just got raped, mutilated, tortured, killed and brought back only for your abuser to inform you that you are now a slave and evidently because you cannot resist any commands from them. To feel a deep love for God at that moment is basically non-existent. Because all there would be is doubt. And doubt is basically unacceptable in regards to True Faith unlike normal philosophical religious study.
>>723598549>you download the unofficial patch and that's it.which one
>>723609795>You just got raped, mutilated, tortured, killed and brought back only for your abuser to inform you that you are now a slave and evidently because you cannot resist any commands from them. To feel a deep love for God at that moment is basically non-existent.Yeah it'd be so rare that if anyone managed this they'd go down in history, canonized as a saint at the very least, perhaps even hailed as the second coming. Even Jesus H. Christ lost his temper and had doubts sometimes. I mean, the embrace is the curse of Caine. Imagine how hard it'd be for Caine himself to bring himself so much closer to God that he becomes like Christ. it's practically unthinkable. You'd be a legendary figure at the end of a very long and difficult story. Antedilluvians would be afraid of what you represent.
>>723609812For your perusalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggRDXXmxhvI
>>723609812The one from vesp5 or something. Just be sure to try the basic patch first, the plus has some additions of reputable quality and I heard the other one, the one from Tessera doesn't run well on modern machines.
>>723583294Will pirate and buy it if I deem it good enough
>>723610298>reputableOops, my mistake. I meant dubious. Fucks too much with the balance and rewards.
>>723608276Tracers aren't incendiary ammunition. Are they? /k/ommandos pls advise.Anyways, actual incendiary ammunition kills them even deader than buckshot.
>>723610736incendiary rounds are tracers with just even more magnesium, and armor piercing incendiary rounds have tungsten points and magnesium tails. Literally business in front and party in the back. Also /k/ is gay
>>723610057The interesting thing about Caine is that he has the easiest path to salvation - he only has to apologize. And the depth of the curse is that this basic thing is impossible for Caine and that's if you're #1, every other vampire can't achieve this and more.I like thinking that True Faith is in itself a form of insanity, albeit one with upsides. Because to have this kind of faith you would have to continue to believe God is there and without God doing anything that can be clearly interpreted as God doing something. Being a vampire introduces a lot of fucking truth to the childe. And it's that truth that prevents faith from getting any foothold. The vampire learns so much about the world upon turning.I think it would be an interesting story to have a recently-turned vampire fall into the hands of the Society of Leopold, the opposite of Bloodlines' story. Because having True Faith the members could attempt to teach the vampire about the world without having to suffer unjustly in the learning. And it wouldn't work, but they don't stop trying. Because in controlled circumstances you could tell a vampire that their paranoia is their curse and if you give them a wholly safe existence they could be "normal" in a way. I can imagine someone taking a deal like that - total safety from the vampire horrors you know exists but you are living in isolation from all society. Blood is provided and housekeeping is your profession but your guardians are of True Faith and it burns to be around them - but it beats being on the street.
>>723610926>he only has to apologizeIt's hard to apologize when you think you're on the right."Taking the higher road" is not always an option.
>>723583294the only correct option is to do the opposite of what every ventrue tells you - you can't trust those cuntsi will buy bloodlines 2- signed, brujah
>>723611343*when you're right
Miss muh Cappos
>>723608861Nosferatu can. They are true brothers.
>>723611517they are hated by literally everyone else though who thinks the nossies are scheming against them (even when they're not)
Rate female PCs as waifus
>>723611343The high road is not available for sociopaths, which is what Caine is and what the curse inflicts on all vampires. That's why it is so rare for a vampire to rise, because it is just as difficult for a sociopath to reform themselves. And any vampire that comes close to regaining some scrap of their humanity is likely killed because that sort of behavior is weak and a vulnerability.We can't understand the mind of a sociopath, and I liken it to Caine not being able to grasp that a sincere apology is all that is needed. God told him, explicitly, that all he has to do is be sorry for killing his brother and he just can't fucking do it. He cares so little for his offspring that he won't muster a mere feeling to alleviate an immense amount of suffering.
>>723611658That's precisely why they stick together.
>>723609795Don't Vampires instinctively feel intense fear when faced with someone with True Faith either presenting a Cross or telling them to fuck off? Along with a degree of immunity from many disciplines that alter mental status. The Lower their humanity the worse the fear is. So someone manifesting True Faith wouldn't really have your scenario occur.Simple intense belief also isn't just what True Faith is. It's sort of a Chicken and the Egg scenario. Those with True Faith are partially born into it. Like how lots of Saints will have stories of miraculous events around their birth. Also sometimes God fucks with people who aren't even really that faithful because he thinks they're suitable for something. You likewise have instances of people with the character of True Faith not really getting the reciprocal powers for it because God needs to do a thing.
>>7236117491>>>All
>>723588109respect the fit lil bro
>>723597546There are in fact plenty of city gangrel
>>723612172Low level True Faith requires the bearer to be conscious of harming a vampire. In most cases a vampire can simply kill the bearer. Only the highest level of True Faith fucks up vampires by simply existing and you have to imagine the vampire isn't stupid enough to confront these people.I don't view it as simply intense belief. It's intense belief in something that's real - namely God. And it's not just God but that specific God, the God that is Jesus and not the God of the old testament. There are lots of paths to God, which is why True Faith can manifest in people regardless of religion. I don't feel as though God has a direct hand in creating saints and stuff; I don't think it is good for this setting to have definitive proof God's hand moves things. True Faith is not God actively helping people - it's a mechanism God put in place as a counterbalance to the incredibly shitty thing he inflicted on humanity that is the curse. The VTMB God is just playing with far more vile negative forces than our world's God, whose worst works are greed, dementia and smallpox.
LETS DANCE
>>723613419Every clan should have a unique dance animation.
>>723583470He was homosexual I think
I will NEVER forgive CCP for cancelling WoD MMOReminder that everyone did their job well except the retarded management, who restarted the whole project multiple times for stupid arbitrary reasons
>>723613742If this came out in the mid 2000s it'd be an absolute den of erotic roleplay
>>723612050No. Niktuku.
>>723613481He definitely liked girthy objects in his ass. V5 confirmed it.
Cain is allowed to drive a taxi! the dmv says so!
>>723613419SOVL btw does the TCR version still has this or did it get cut?
>>723613995Cut probably, too goofy for them
>>723611749>no nosferato>he dons't want a hacker rat eating gfyour loss
Do Hunters still exist?
is the world of darkness universe just cursed
>>723613828I was gonna say this looks like a porn game.
>>723612979>It's intense belief in something that's realYou can believe in the power of the almighty dollar and still harm vampires
>>723613995Of course it's cut, can't have fun
>>723614163In the game or setting? If its the game I have no idea nor do I care to, In the setting, fuck yes.
>>723614301Setting
Why did no one attempt to make a Changeling vidya?Even Wraith got a VR game
>>723614364The Irish governments has rape squads for anyone that made video games about the fae, fairies like fairy tale shit and fae enemies in games get a pass but a designated game about them gets you a cold iron truncheon up the ass.
True faith and magic seems awfully familiar in the sense of how humanity can bend the world to their will. Fairies, furries and the undead need not apply since their powers comes from non human sources
>>723614347Oh yeah back in I think 08 The Coalition (Hunter Organization) fucking raided Tremere headquarters in Vienna and killed most of their elders after breaching the SchreckNet (Vamp internet thing)
i will pirate it
>>723613742>>723613828It would've been glorioushttps://youtu.be/_zELAknQ82k?si=TMD4bsSeJWkKz2K4&t=4761
>>723613742Funny how this pic has more atmosphere than the new game.
>>723615293WoD MMO art and visuals team was amazing
Shame we never got that, it looks good.
>>723585230>The Diocletian of Kindred Based
>>723615438>>723615483>>723615526That would of been so cool.
How the fuck do you even maintain the masquerade in the digital age?
>>723614768>they gave this up for a failed excel spreadsheet simulator
>>723615438>>723615483>>723615526They should try again but with the guys behind Bloodhunt, I loved the matrix-esque traversal movement in this game. Sometimes you can even find some players roleplaying in the lobbies
>>723583294Why? Cuz you lose in this game? LMAO
How should I level up?
>>723595592Surely this is satire my dear
>>723616015You don't. That's the point.You cower in fear of the Second Inquisition, and you lean heavily on incredulity. "It's Photoshop! It's AI! It's staged!"
>>723583294Stygian Legions, Soul forge this nigger into a brick.
>>723613419I will now buy your game + tip
>>723583470Strauss was always the better leader, how the fuck did LaCroix become leader?
>>723583539crazy how we had better lighting in bideo james 20 years ago. now its flat, opposite of comfy and terribly color graded
>>723617245See >>723593170
>>723617245>voluntarily becoming princeLacroix even spells it out for brainlets like you.
>>723617035QRD?
>>723596126That thing's a chick?
>>723615526everyone would play as women
>>723595592These animations feel so lifeless, I know their vampires but come the fuck on.
>>723615721Diocletian still participated in government work to some degree years after abdication. He abdicated to see if the tetrarchy lives on without him. At least his adoptive grandson came out on top.
>>723617417All other WoD games except maybe Mage are stupid because they are written in adherence to the ported over rpg mechanics original to VtM.This means things that are cool and make sense for vampires, like clans or the Camarilla, are forced into other things, like ghosts, where it comes off as fucking stupid.So that entire cool segment of the VtM:B where you're entering the haunted house and uncovering the Shining reference murder ghost and victims is basically one massive Dictum Mortuum violation and under the concept of Wraith:The Oblivion, if Therese didn't deal with the issue via the ritual with the necklace, The ghost police would by turning the axe murderer into a sofa cushion.
What are the likelihoods of a decent WoD film/show being made focusing on either vampires or human-vampire interaction via hunters and mages with either a creeping up or sudden "Oh holy shit" conflict of werewolves appearing and being in their proper brutal overpowering ways? I'd like more werewolf stuff that's not *just* mandog or big dog but actually pulls on their fae-touched side with totems, delirium, pacts, the Umbra and all that jazz. I want them to be proper powerhouses and not just spooky big dog.
>>723618359>What are the likelihoods of a decent WoD film/show0%
>>723618027Why didn't they? That dude was an asshole and it happened like 50 years before she bought the property.
>>723618426Fuck. We're cursed in and out of vidya.
>>723618505Because that's not how WoD works.
>>723604709>including the Persuasion lines from Strauss who despite wanting to supplant LaCroix, will still put his Clan and pyramid first were he to rule.Strauss was trying to persuade me? what lines? sorry im autistic
>>723618359There is Hunter: The Parenting by the dudes that did TTS.
>>723584379>What's the point of local vampires fighting each other off?Tell me you don't have a clue about the setting without telling me you don't have a clue about the setting.
>>723618827Artstyle is buttugly, but I respect the effort.
i will buy it next year for $10 on a key site
>>723619032It takes some getting adjusted to but far as an animation goes, their stuff is probably the best you'll get far as actual fan quality work goes that sticks to the books pretty well. Far as I know anyways, but I sure as shit haven't heard of any alternative yet for something even similar.
>WoD MMO died in the womb>Matrix Online died after a mere 4 years>Secret World... whatever happened thereI feel like an Urban Fantasy/Sci-fi MMO could really work but
>>723619032It differs, that pic was from the first episode and its a frame from an action scene.
>>723597204Sex but with Gangrel girls
>>723616459It's been a while since I played it but I remember dexterity is #1 priority because you need your whole team to land hits and then I went minimum Str 50 to equip late game gear then after that I started maxing out disciplines
>>723620034i need a gf who wears band tees and converse even in bed. oh also she has to be a vampire.
>>723621084you forgot the ripped jeans
>>723621268oh right yes. that too. they have to be low rise though
>>723583294Is that game finally coming out? I was pleased to hear about it when it was first announced but I don't have high expectations due to the development hell it has gone through.
>>723583294>I've said all I needed to for now.
>>723583294Which modes do I need for VtMB1?
>>723622140>Which modesJust go in on default and pick a clan you like
>>723622178Don't I need a fix at least?
>>723622290Nah, it was perfectly stable when I played it.
>>723583470He was stick and tired of having to bow down to people he thought were inferior to him, from Napoleon to the Camarilla, he wanted to be his own man and took a shot at greatness.It blew up in his face.
>>723595592good morning sar i very good animator thank you for choosing my companee sar *bobs head*
>>723593046I'm pretty sure that's a sponsored project so it's blurring the line of fan and official.They've also worked with PDX on another occasion to make the thinly veiled cast of TTS plays stellaris thing.
>>723599736>fuck the jyhad>turns into mist>turns into a crow and flies away>tanks the sun>become soilgangrel seem to be pretty bad at fighting but really good at not getting killed
A vamp game set in the last years before ww1 europe could be cool.
>>723617296theres just an allergy towards high contrast and baked lighting nowadays for some reason
>>723595592For me it's the static camera shots.They could've hidden some of the mess by using shaky camera. No time, I suppose.
>>723621082K, thanks for the info.
>>723584379it's a jokethe game literally makes fun of vtm redemption plot
How the FUCK did this thread hit bump limit without this?
>>723625040no one talked about how shitty v5 was
>>723625040does sickle cell blood taste differently?
