>Actual gun is shit irl>Absolutely broken in videogames
have you ever fired a gun in your life?
>>723862216It's a semi-auto sniper rifle, of course it will be broken unless you nerf its damage or fire rate into the ground.
Nah, this gun is shit in video games too
Does it just fall apart or something like that one British rifle? IDK I'm not a gunfag.
>>723862216Seems to me this gun is actually good irl and usually has shit damage in games to balance the fact that it's semi-auto.
>>723862757The reason it's broken in videogames is because it doesn't get shit damage to compensate fire rate like most weapons usually get
>>723862757>>723862297>>723862713It's used as a DMR but it has like 8 MOA so the accuracy is insane. 8 MOA means at 100 yard your shots will make an 8 inch grouping. So you can line up your shot on a man center mass and it could be as far as 8 inches off where you aimed. That's just at 100 yard. You take a shot at someone 200 yards away? Enjoy your 16 inch grouping.
Russias finest rifle
>>723862713
>nogunz thread
>>723862892What if the target was very very fat?
>>723862713It's just middle ground between proper sniper rifle and battle rifle. It's marksman rifle. Games treat it like sniper rifle. It's good gun. But like lot of warsowpack guns. There were lot of bad one produced by other communist countries. Not all svd are equal. And all the good once have been bought up by gun people looooong time ago.
>>723863140If that's the case yeah that makes sense, poor production quality can fuck you up big time.
>>723862297>>723862757Not even the Russians issued with it irl like it. They much prefer Western arms, in fact, this goes for any rifle for them and will use them over their own any day. Even spetznaz like pic related purchase smuggled or cloned ARs when they can.
>>723863018LMAO imagine being a fucking BRIT LOL
>actual gun is shit irl>also shit in video games
>>723863230>They much prefer Western armsPlain and simple bullshit. Only some do that by preference.
>>723862713>Does it just fall apart or something like that one British rifle?There's no other rifle as shitty as those.
>>723863230That's only because their only other options are a mud caked, rusted Mosin, an AK-47 from the 1947 batch with a broken spring, or a brand new AK-12 which is somehow the worst option of the ones I've listed.
>>723862216As an airsoft shitter it amuses me how the SVD is such a newb trap. Everybody wants one yet every iteration of it is fucking trash with unique snowflake mechanisms compatible with nothing else. Tappet plate broke? Tough shit nigga, better buy an entire new gearbox to get a new one. Or just give up and take the AKpill.
>>723863413Jesus Christ
>>723863306>but still so cool and aesthetic that everyone wants to use it anyway
That rifle is amazing irl you're fucking high
Seething slavniggers itt
youth is idolizing the svd and vss. adulthood is understanding slavs always lie.
>>723863521Nah, it really is just a semi auto garbage rod
I've been conditioned to label the Dragunov as a sniper rifle for girls because Mona Sax primarily used it in Max Payne 2.
>>723863018Sauce?
>>723863991Upotte
>>723862506IRL it have shit recoil and accuracy. The gun keep pushing to the right after each shot.
>>723863435>1947 batchThey weren't produce in batch in 47, way to out yourself as not knowing what the fuck you are talking about
>>723863306>Only good in TarkovLiterally no use for this shit stick outside of fantasy.
>>723863306>Nooo its ergonomic!!I DON'T CARE IT LOOKS COOL
For me, it's the humble SKS.
>>723863063based russians making a sniper rifle purely to kill amerifats
>>723863306This gun could be good if it actually used as Soviet block raid weapon like it originally designed to do instead of a war weapon. It was made to eliminate political dissidents, not to fight an army on open terrain.
>>723863424>Pic If chinks make a mistake you should never mock them, especially pointing out what their mistakes are. Just let them believes that they are implessive or something.
The AN-94, whatever happened there...
>>723862892>8 MOAlmao no
>>723862216It's a good gun tho.>>723863815Fun fact, that's actually a Roman PSL. Unlike the actual SVD it's literally an upscaled AK.
>>723862216who fucking cares you absolute troglodyte?I want cool looking guns to be viable in games because its a fucking video gamegive me wa2000, give me the an94, give me the g11 and I will have funyou want every rifle be an AR plattform because muh realism? kill yourself faggot
>>723863815That's not a dragunov. That's a Zastava M91. Unlike the dragunov that one is just a long AK.
>>723862713The Shit Ass 80. What went wrong.
>>723863435>AK-47 from the 1947 batch with a broken spring,There's no fucking AK from 1947, retard. Every ak from that year is just prototype.
>>723864875If a person makes a mistake and your first thought is to mock them, I'd question your intentions.
>>723862216You don't say.
>>723863018someone should make something simmilar for the new us service rifle
>>723863140>goodLet's not be too hasty here. Even the original guns aren't good - just fine. If cleaned, used with proper ammo, and so on they will perform adequately at most.
>>723864937Kek
>>723862216>Actual gun is shit irlwell, is it?or are you just another racist westoid screeching about muh slavshit and so on?
>>723863018>going from the Lee Enfield to this piece of shit
>>723865092>Roman PSL>>723865208>Zastava M91Make up your minds niggas, it's a Tabuk DMRit's a PSL
>>723866231From SLR (semi-auto only FAL), akshully.
>>723866231>Lee Enfield to thisRude
>>723862216>>723863306>>723865587These are all fine. Rule of cool >>>>>> realism.
>>723863815I just did that sniping escort mission shit on DoA and it wasn't nearly as hard as I rememberAren't you supposed to get worse at games as you age?
>>723862892>>723865038With good ammo its like 2-3 moa. The fact is the DMR role in the soviet military wasn't a sniper role, it was a suppressive fire role, so as long as you can get your shots on target quickly to suppress whoever is shooting at you it doesn't really matter if you can shoot .5 moa groups.
>>723863306>VSS>shitNigga you did not play BFBC2.
>>723864365>One raid with it>Out of all good bullets>Gun is 80% durabilityVery nice, ill take 0 of them Prapor
>>723866662>DMR role in the soviet military wasn't a sniper role, it was a suppressive fire roleNot really? It was to do shit like counter MG nests. Just a guy who can reach out and touch targets further than a basic AK guy with irons.
>>723866534>the german guns melt when shot.you fell for the green party propagandathe rifle was used in the dessert, which it wasnt designed to in the first place, for decades and nobody had issues with "melting"
>>723866326>>723866316>Made by BelgiansThat doesn't count.
>>723867379it ok to fall for leftist propaganda just learn your lesson and stop spreading it for free like a complete tool
>>723866534If you think "melting" is worse than "terribly faulty/not working at all" then you're mad.>>723867149Polymerslop guns will warp under heat you dummy.Also>dessert
>>723866927So suppressive fire?
>>723867878>destroying something>suppressivenot really, you need volume of fire to suppress
>>723865258>>723864331he was being facetious, autismos
>>723863413>have great rifle (L1A1)>replace it with garbage
>>723866338you are not the arbiter of fun
>>723863440>howbecause it's fucking beautiful
>>723867329L1 was totally redesigned and had practically no compatible parts.
>>723868401Vidya Butts is far cuter
>>723868659WRONG!
>>723862216>Absolutely broken in videogamesThe scope is weird
>actual gun saw barely any use IRL>is a staple of video game shotguns
>>723868872>gets used in 80s-90s action movies because the manufacturer sponsored said movies>video game devs add it to games because the movies made it look cool (product placement requirement)
>Game has a FAL>You can put it in full auto>It's fucking uncontrollable and is best used as a shotgunOne of the few things Tarkov got right. Clearing dorms hipfiring the fucking thing feels great.
>>723862892a noguns is speaking, listen and learn
>>723865587Ok, but why though?
>>723863306the VSS wrecks shit in call of pripyat.
>>723869419Pistols are gay and stupid, actually.
>>723868720Faggot
>>723869381>.308 for room clearance
Why Soviet guns in game as good but irl they are so shit?
>>723866231>never used the EM-1 because the yanks couldn't stop sucking Springfield Armory's cock
I remember one Russian soldier lamenting that Dragunov is so shit soldiers issued it would ask for fucking sniper mosin instead. What a shit fucking gun
>>723869559"Clearing a room" includes damaging it's structural integrity.
>>723869628bolt snipers do work. US still uses Remington 700 variants, and I think the Arctic Warfare
>>723868872Why did they abandon it?
>>723869616now all our military guns come from Germany and Austria. funny how that works
>Actual gun is absolutely broken irl>Is shit in videogames
Soviet weapons are made with Ogryn's in mind, not for human use
>>723869852>Germany and Austriapoetic considering that Springfield ripped off Mauser's bolt design when they made the M1906
>>723869817Only problem is that mosins coverted into sniper rifles were outdated in 50s. It's 2025
>>723869861that's just typical Ranger 'make do' attitude. There are a lot of things that make the Russian army shit, being efficient with toolkits isn't one of them.
>>723862216>>723863306>>723863440Why are all these Soviet Union rifles so fucking aesthetic? How do they do it?
>>723869856>BUY P90, RUSH B, DO NOT STOP MY FRIENDS!Nah, it's goated
>>723866057It's not great, any pressure on the handguard causes POI shift and the PSO scope is absolutely uncomfortable to use with the manlet factory stock. Was much nicer with an aftermarket pic rail scope mount and Western scope + stock spacer. Actually kinda fun to shoot with irons but has an abysmal dovetailed front sight mount
>>723869827Jams a lot on semi-auto mode, apparently.
>>723869856>meme bulletI'd still kill for a P90 and a FiveseveN
>>723870213Actual engineering, when people decide to actually make something instead of making remasters.
>>723870327Why not buy it? FN sells them, no?
>>723870301that's a consequence of movie studio blanks not having enough power to fully cycle the action. firing actual shot shells out of it makes the semi-auto function work perfectly fine. Obviously a Benelli blows it out of the water, but it's a decent enough combat shotgun on its own.
how do you balance the AA-12 for PvP ?
>>723870370meme gun = meme gun prices, same for the ammoalso, need a destructive device permit for a real P90.
>>723870383But can it fire both barrels?:)
>>723870414
>>723863413brits really give weapons contracts to the first guys who walk in the door, huh?
>>723862216I'd take an SVD over an M14/M21 any day of the week.
>>723870213substance >>>> stylealso communism: when you don't treat everything as a commercialized product, so you don't really care about ripping your customers off, so you are incentivised (sometimes) to make things actually good.
>>723870414Make it perform worse against armor or make it carry less ammo due to its weight.
>>723870538Both look great but I have no experience with the latter
>>723862892You're full of shit, kiddo.
>Actual gun doesn't even fucking work irl>Absolutely broken in videogames
>>723870327i want one myself but i think im gonna go for the cope option and look for a ar-57 upper or something
>>723870424>also, need a destructive device permit for a real P90.Come on kid. You want it. That's your license.
>>723870414Shotguns have next to no armor pen and excessive recoil with slugs
>>723870539except they're not good. their best stuff was all just cheap hackney ripoffs of something from the west. AK? StG44. Lada? Fiat 124. Tetris? Chainshot. the list goes on.
>>723871025>AK? StG44lollmao
>>7238708722 moa nominal is fucking dogshit but you wouldn't know, noguns.
>>723870925you can't just get one, you have to apply for it with the ATF and give "good rational reason" why you should be allowed to execute your second amendment right. and unfortunately, 'I want it' isn't good enough for them.
>>723871063>he isn't aware the Soviets had their own version of Operation Paperclip
>>723871078Of coure it is. Just raid a storage. You'll make it, sir. Trust me.
>>723871120>he thinks AK is a pure ripoff
>>723867878suppressive fire is shooting in the general direction of the enemy in order to keep them from shooting back at them. shooting a specific target at long range with precision is called sniping.
>>723870424>destructive devicenogunz detected
>>723871120slavs don't have an original bone in their body, but stg44's operating mechanism isn't the same as the ak's.
>>723869284>1.5 hour reload time
>>723863018What anime is this?
>>723871246Suppressive fire can be accurate, and ideally should beSuppressive fire in the general direction does nothing
>>723871315Upotte
>>723871025> ak> stg44lrn2history>lada>fiat124Soviets straight up bought the license and manufacturing lines from Fiat. Also they redesigned the engine and suspension. So lada never is and never was paraded as a huge win for communism.
>>723862216>perfect irl>shit in videogames
>>723871250that's how the feds classify automatic weapons, buckaroo. Go chop your shotgun down to a 9" barrel and watch how quick the ATF come to arrest your ass because in their eyes that somehow makes it as dangerous as an RPG
>>723870467No, they give them to their very good friends from Eton and Oxford.
Is "MOA" the calculation of human error or the gun literally being held down by machines and fired so it's the margin of error from the gun "in a vacuum"?
>>723871505destructive device is a weapon with a bore diameter over 12.7mma sawed-off shotgun would be classified as an SBReither way the P90 is import banned so it doesn't even matter
>>723862216It was kind of shit in most hitman games because there were weapons like the WA2000 which had silencers and could be hidden inside a case.
>>723871505Why do they do/think that?
>>723870424>>723871505no.also you'd need an SOT in order to own an actual p90, since they're machine guns made after 1986.
>>723870428You need a Black mesa scientists to add a portal to the shell feed so it shoots from both "barrels"
>>723862216>gun is gun irl>is gun in video gamesgun of all time, my love.
>>723871773wait until you learn what the ATF thinks of a vertical foregrip on a pistol
>>723871773Same minds that cooked up the logic that makes a pistol with a foregrip a 'SBR'
>>723871839It just guns
>>723871495recoil is usually accurate in videogames if you are not using the single fire option.>>723871839for me it is the scar
>>723871870What is an SBR?
>>723871074>noguunslol! Lmao even!2 MOA is better than (You) can ever shoot, and it's more than plenty for a DRM and hunting. Actually well sighted 54R gun and sights + non-slav ammo can even achieve sub-MOA accuracy.
>>723863306Are all of you just retarded?
>>723871870technically that would be classified as "Any Other Weapon", and only if it has a vertical forgrip (which means if the grip is angled less than 90 degrees it's legal, lol)
>>723867149>green party propagandawasn't it then-minister of defense ursula van der leyen trying to get free guns out of hk?
>>723871912>game has SCAR>it's not the SCAR-HI hate it!
>>723870213Soviets were the good guys
>>723871495It's generally good in vidya IMO (as long as they remember to model what the rear sight really looks like when you look through it)Liked it in RS2, liked it in Insurgency, own one IRL but in games it sounds nothing like the real thing
>>723871074It's not great by 2025 standards but it's a 1960s gunThe M16 back then was a 4 MOA rifle
>>723871913"Short-barrelled rifle"Which is a particularly stupid term because 'this' blatant rifle is legally a pistol.No common sense to this shit at all.
>>723871921>yt tab>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_rQ_QAAgc8Disgusting
>>723872045forgot pic lol
>>723871725It is in a vacuum for precision rifles, but it makes no sense to bother with clamps for a battle rifle with 4 moa.
>>723871921nigga is that a laptop hooked up to a TV? are you shitposting from your couch?
>>723870327>FiveseveNIf I was murrican this would 100% be the first thing I'd buy myself for my birthday when I could afford it.Absolute fucking sex.
>>723872094>took the bait>doesn't stick to topicevery time.>>723872219Why yes, I am. It's also my go-to "console" of choice these days!
>>723871882tell me fuddlore, tell me sweet little fuddlore
>>723872040>The M16 back then was a 4 MOA rifle>SVD expected to shoot 2 MOA with quality ammoSVD with 1960s ammo was 8 MOA, it's only 2 MOA with extremely rare modern ammo
this entire thread is gay retarded fudd niggers honestlypretty funny
>>723872431>SVD with 1960s ammo was 8 MOA,Where do you fags get this?And you do know that there are other countries manufacturing match-grade 54R and x39 ammo?
>>723871984>RS2Speaking of RS2 why is pic related so shit in that game?The recoil is high even with bipod yet it doesn't have the power to back it up. It somehow feels weaker than the m14 despite firing the same round and can't penetrate twigs and branches. It also sounds very weak. I think insurgency is the only game where it is good, but it also have it's problem with the insane recoil.
>is always depicted as using lasers to auto explode>turns out it's just manually activated or rigged with a tripwire
>>723872549> Where do you fags get this?Reality, the same reality where soldiers, and not basedfaced hobbyists, using it absolutely fucking hate it and would rather use soviet rifles from 1945 over it
>>723872328I'm not the anon you're arguing with, I am only disappointed in you.I wanted to comment how weird the AKM slant muzzle looks on a Type 56 until I noticed the tab right above it.
>>723872648[citation needed]
>>723863269now we are even
>>723872679>I wanted to comment how weird the AKM slant muzzle looks on a Type 56That's how it came out of the factory.T56-S is a weirdass Type-3 x AKM hybrid, but I love it. It crude, but shoots straight, never had malfunctions, even after some 10k+ rounds of disgusting, corrosive USSR canned AK food.
>>723872681>AIGood morning sirs
>>723872898I trust you have more reliable sources to counter the statements then ?
>>723872958read your own slop then>varies>600-800m
>>723869856It was pretty good in MGS 4.
American hours are overNothing but LARPers that never used any of these guns are in this ITT topic
>>723873120jokes on you I have the graveyard shift
>>723873007MOA metrics don't change, and 600+ meters is the effective engagement distance for the SVD.>>723873120Most yanks have never even touched a real Dragunov, kiddo.
wheres the best place to look if i want a ak?
>>723866231I'm noguns but I quite like this guys videos
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>>723862892>it has like 8 MOA
>>723870414The same way you balance it in original MW2. Make everything else even more hideously broken. Man, to think the AA12 is only a top 3 shotgun because the 1887 was nerfed into the ground. The SPAS and ranger shit on it.
>>723872958The AI is citing a wikipedia entry that has no source. Modern tests shows best case scenario with modern match ammo at 2-3 moa. A 4 MOA rifle is fine for what the SVD was intended to do. Honestly people obsess way to much over these hypothetical MOA calculations in a best case scenario when most of the time it doesn't matter. Most people can't shoot a rifle at this level of perfect precision, and the soviet union definitely was not supplying riflemen with ammo comparable to match grade stuff handloaded by autistic boomers.
its crazy how prevalent the shoddy cold war propaganda still is to this dayi guess the war really revived it a lot
>>723871921>2 MOA is better than (You) can ever shootyou take a 2 moa shooter and you give him an 8 moa gun and you've got a 10 moa spread. retarded fucking argument from a glue eating retard. fuck you.
>>723872621would love to use one on my neighbour who keeps slamming hallway doors
>>723873412To enable the SVD's desired precision, new 7.62×54mmR "sniper" ammunition, designated 7N1, was designed by V. M. Sabelnikov, P. P. Sazonov and V. M. Dvorianinov in 1966 to meet the new standards. 7N1 sniper cartridges should not produce more than 1.24 MOA extreme vertical spread with 240 mm twist rate barrels and no more than 1.04 MOA extreme vertical spread with 320 mm twist rate barrels in a 5-shot group. The precision requirements demanded of the SVD with 7N1 is similar to the American M24 Sniper Weapon System with M118SB cartridges (1.18 MOA extreme vertical spread) and the M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System with M118LR ammunition (1.27 MOA extreme vertical spread).
>>723870213my nigga is just a slightly changed kalashnikovlike literally every weapon ever made by the russians
>>723873558Is this how Russia produces “modern” tank ammo but even T-80Bvm and T-90M at best have mango loaded in?
>>723873613The SVD was a completely different internal mechanism than the AK>>723873558Yes thank you for reposting the wikipedia entry with the "trust me bro" citation.
>>723873657Like 75% of that wikipedia article is fan fiction. No one posting that as evidence is a serious person.
>>723873296you should get a gun
>>723873664i'm talking about the AS VAL in the 2nd pictNIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGG- NIGGER NIGGER NI-NI-NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
>>723873770Well good for me then that the AS Val as a completely different mechanism than the AK. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
>>723863306still one of the coolest rifles ever made
>>723873323
>>723873120American hours or not, I stopped visiting /k/ after getting conscripted and realizing how 90% of the stuff posted there are by noguns reddit-tier faggots who don't know shit. The other 10% are inoffensive discussion (gear queer or milsurp, /ak/, vidya, actual active service chat generals), and this was BEFORE the current glowie infestation and redditor overload.
>>723873664Modernized SVD has 1.2-15 using 7N14 and 1.5-2 MOA using normal ammo.Normal SVD ~2.4 as per Kalashnikov tests, calculating an average from 3 sets of 10 rounds each.
>>723874406>Modernized SVDYou mean a completely new rifle lol? Yes by that logic a "modernized" m16 is a .25 moa rifle.
>>723870327>FiveseveNMAIN POINT OF SELLING BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN PISTOL IS EXTREME PRICE OF WEAPON AND CARTRIDGE.BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN IS WEAPON OF MAN WHO WEARS EXPENSIVE ITALIAN FASCIST SUIT OF HAND SEWING, DRIVE HUGE EXPENSIVE NAZI MERCEDES OF A.M.G. SHOP, SAIL ON MASSIVE YACHT TO GREEK ISLANDS. I THINK YOU GET PICTURE. BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN IS WEAPON THAT SAYS IS NO SUCH THING AS CONCERN OF MONEY.FOR MAN WITHOUT EXPENSIVE SUIT, BIG BLACK MERCEDES, AND MASSIVE YACHT, BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN IS FOR PRETENDING OF BE RICH LIKE BLACK GANGSTER OF AMERICAN CITY WITH GOLD CHAINS OF LOW QUALITY AND JEWELS OF COLORED GLASS. WHEN YOU EXPLAIN USE OF BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN PISTOL IS ONLY FOR SHOOT MAN WITH BULLET VEST WITH CARTRIDGE ILLEGAL TO CIVILIAN, THIS MAN HAS NUCLEAR RAGE. WHOLE IDENTITY OF THIS MAN IS SPENT IN PRETEND PISTOL SHOWS HE IS RICH. IS VERY AMUSE.FOR REST OF WORLD THERE IS 9 MILLIMETERS OF LUGER WHICH IS SAME WOUND FOR COST LESS.
>>723873120i wake up at 4:45 every day :^)
>>723871921YesgunGOD...
>>723872621You shouldn't have to be told why a proximity laser on one of these is a terrible idea
>>723872648soldiers don't know shit desuin Korean War American soldiers thought .30 carbine couldn't penetrate winter coats
>>723870539>also communism: when you don't treat everything as a commercialized product, so you don't really care about ripping your customers off, so you are incentivised (sometimes) to make things actually good.That was the theory that many million died to prove, it's funny how in practice, the opposite happened, turns out that without market incentives people don't provide the best possible good and services, you can compared soviet union demise to modern China's prosperity to see where the presence or lack of any market incentives gets you.
>>723876047You're both brainlets whom incidentally have missed the ultimately intended or incidental purpose of communism.Economic incentives of any kind are needed only for people incapable of actual leadership capability, because all current era economics are based on... themselves, i.e. integration into a system constructed by the financial governments.They've quite literally sold bits of their personal self-determination to not just a supranational system, but a system that has no personality, and one that accepts nothing outside markets should they be threatened. Wanted a world ruled by rules and got it, lmao
It's shit in games too>>723862713It's an early, cheap, soviet DMRAlso Russian gunpowder sucks, so the actual precision shooters use Burger ammo.
>>723871921why do you browse 4chan on a fucking tvjfc
>>723863306feels great in one of the metro games
>>723877482>Also Russian gunpowder sucks,[citations needed]
>>723877482>cheapI thought that way, but I saw Ian's video where he compared a Soviet SVD with a Chink one and a commercially made Russian SVD clone (Tigr). He took them all apart, and when he disassembled the Soviet one I was taken by surprize by how the inside of the receiver was like a mirror. Both Chink and post-Soviet Russian versions were much cruder, had machining marks all over the place.I know it doesn't really affect accuracy, but it sure looked nice and shown how those rifles were made with care.
>>723869616It was dropped on the promise of the US stopping that for five seconds and adopting the FAL. Then they adopted a gun comfortably in the bottom 5 service rifles of the century anyway.
>>723871921These guns are for terrorists. How many cold showers have you taken in prison?
>>723873751I live in Norway
>>723869616>>723878796While sexy as fuck, EM-1 and EM-2 are pretty complicated rifles requiring complex machining to make. They would also require adopting a completely new cartridge.
>>723878845didn't stop Breivik
>>723869861Why is he doing this with the magazine in the rifle?
>>723862297Have you? It's one of the worst firearms of the modern era that people are generally aware exists. I'd rather have a fucking Brit SA80 in a fight.
>>723879098Yeah, but you either need a hunter's license (which is a months long course) or a gun hobby (which you need to maintain by regularly going to a range).Two things I can't be fucked to do. I was gonna get my hunter's license years ago but then covid happened.
>>723862216Is this absolute meme even any good IRL?
>>723879108why worry about something that isn't going to happen?
>>723879098>implying he wasn't hired for a false flag op
>>723879679I don't know.I'm noguns, it just seems like poor form to not remove the magazine when doing maintenance on the rifle
>>723878627Literary every Russian with a gun knows that, and literally everyone who bought Russian ammo knows that US ammo is better.
>>723870467the people at the top in the UK are extremely corrupt and all contracts are given to people they went to school withBoris Johnson did the same shit with medical equipment
>>723879108>>723879679>>723880260He is beating on the sights of the gun(the thing you use to aim).
>video game>the more sci-fi a weapon looks, the better its combat performance and stats.>The more wooden parts a weapon has, the worse its performance.it just work
>>723863306This thing actually slaps in squad but it handles like an SMG and does more damage than the m4 for some reason. Its biggest use is players cant identify which team youre on based on the sound profile since both irregular militia and the russian military use the same.
>>723863306It's a fucking beast in STALKER.
We will never get anything better than the AR-15 platform, and the sooner everyone accepts that the better.
>>723881963Ok but can we get a platform just as good but not pig disgusting?
>>723880706Yeah I realize that but you don't need the magazine to be in the rifle when doing that
>>723880260that's the joke from Chernobyl
>>723863306Shut your mouth, this thing kills in Stalker
>>723863018Fucking brits ahhahahahahaha
>>723863339>Plain and simple bullshit. Only some do that by preference.Countless interviews disagree.
>>723878796M14 was a beautiful baby meant to kill steppe monkeys in Europe. Any battle rifle would've been dogshit in the jungle and even Aussies ditched their FALs for M16’s when they could but no-one talks about that now do they?
>>723863306The only game where this game felt good was STALKER. In everything else it has awful bullet drop, awful accuracy, awful damage and it shoots so fast that I'm shooting through my whole mag when I'm just trying to do some short bursts.I love the gun, but man it is shit in games.
>>723882852>M14 was a beautiful baby meant to kill steppe monkeys in EuropeM14 is worse than both G3 and FAL.
>>723863306It basically makes every non-boss encounter a total joke in the first two Metro games, you can basically one-shot every human enemy with it, and even in a gunfight, two shots are enough to put most enemies down, while it has the most common ammo in the game.
>>723862297It's /v/ man. Most people here would probably have the barrel smack them in the face if they ever tried shooting a 357
>>723863306>>723882856>The only game where this game felt good was STALKER.ATOM RPG. Just be prepared that ammo is rare and has to be hoarded from basically day one.
>>723882856It's good in BFBC2, BF3 and BF4.>>723883717You can buy the ammo from the big city weapon merchant.
>>723879332Apparently very good thanks to its funky recoil damper.
>>723862216Is that so? The only game I can think of that makes SVD strictly better than all competition is Jagged Alliance 2 vanilla
>>723883984Games tend to make it have way more recoil than it should don't they?
I own a pre-ban TIGR. They are breddy cool
>>723863230>this is your brain on propaganda100 people out of millions having preference for something doesn't mean everyone has that preference. By same logic I can assume you're a faggot because there's a lot of gays around these days.
>>723863230Dumb nigger, the guy in you pic uses Russian ORSIS-AR15 rife, it literally written "ORSIS" on the bolt. You so fucking stupid. Pic related all american soldiers much prefer ppsh over issued m4 because i found one pic of american soldier playing around with it for photo
>>723884470It'd be too damn strong otherwise.
>>723874783I'll stick with 45ACP, God's own caliber
>>723884979Damn what a findSurely his service rifle is with him in that shot just out of view, right? Can't imagine him going back to base with the papasha without fellow soldiers drooling over it and his superiors chewing him out for using it.
>>723884979Delete this
>>723872096Looks like a pistol to me :)
>>723871495>Diz nigga never played insurgency or rising storm.Also good on Jagged Alliance.
Tell me gunfags, what's wrong with bullups? I've seen them derided in these threads with no actual criticism. It looks like an objectively superior design
>>723881251>does more damage than the m4 for some reason>for some reason
>>723889448They are used by the worst girls.
>>723871495i know this gun from insurgency
>>723871921I didn't know we have Isis posting on /v/. Shouldn't you be bombing a hospital abdullah?
fn fal is the most kino gun and more fps games should have it
>>723884979probably because it spits rounds like a motherfucker and doesn't matter what the MOA is.
>>723889448They are unconventional and odd to use. Their ergonomics are completely different than conventional rifles. Design considerations must be made for left handed shooters. To function they have to utilize a trigger bar which results in all their triggers being really bad. Just overall they are cumbersome to use, which Admittedly can be partially trained away, but at the end of the day the only benefit they carry is they can have a longer barrel in a shorter package. Finally, with modern cartridge design and ballistics being what they are a long barrel just isn't as important as it used to be. It may have made sense back in the 80s-90s, but now it just seems kinda pointless to adopt a bullpup.
>>723870891IIRC it works, but is too damn heavy, and that drum mag is a hindrance, but can be used as anti-personnel mine.
>>723862216rule of cool niggaits the actual male fantasy
>>723869856good in cod 4
>>723868401gyaru barrett hard mogs her
>>723863306>>also shit in video gamesnot in stalker, its the best gun
>>723880861A very nice and sexy gun.
>>723889448They aren't an AR15/M4 clone
>>723871974>game has SCAR>it feels like firing 7.62x39 instead of 7.62X51I hate when they do that, just because the scar stands for special combat assault rifle, doesn't mean it's an assault rifle.
>good gun irl>good gun in all horror games
>>723884979>Russians do not prefer smuggled or cloned ARs>because that rifle is Russian clone of ARhere's the thing, people use Russian rifles when there's no other option, when option arrives, people switch to western/Israeli/Yugoslavian
>>723884470Insurgency have it with accurate zero recoil. But it also accurately portray its firerate being too fast for any practical purpose. It's also very expensive, most people just use the SCAR or Mk.18.
>>723889549Do mind that the whole point of that 9x39 ammo was to be sub-sonic AND armor-penetrating. Think of .45 for rifle. And that is also the whole point of VSS and AS - to be for wetwork.
>>723862892>8 MOAYou're a next level retard if you actually believe this
>>723891917Sure, except>melee weapon in almost every FPS game>lethal at 1m engagement>pea-shooter at 2m and over
>>723862892>8 MOAchinese_cqc_training_video.webm
>>723862297no :)
>>723863413>the entirety of the British MIC's resources put in all this money and effort to make the worst service rifle the world will see until India produces the INSAS>four blokes from the pub down the road make one of the greatest and most iconic sniper rifles of all time in Bazza's shed in the backyardHow do the brits get it backwards like this?
>>723893053To be fair a bolt action rifle is way easier to make than one capable of automatic fire.
>>723889448Slightly different manual of arms.The advantages and disadvantages bullpups have over conventional rifles are mostly minor, but aside from learning a moderately different set of motions for reloads you aren't doing anything different.
>>723893053 Because if it can’t be solved with tea and body odor, the MoD isn’t interested. Meanwhile Bazza’s sat in his shed with a lathe, a can of bitter, and something resembling divine inspiration. It's like the entire nation was cursed to funnel all military budget into Rube Goldberg-tier bullpup memes while the true firearms messiah operates out of a corrugated tin roof next to an abandoned Vauxhall.
>>723863413Another example of how dangerous Nepotism can be.
>>723862297Yeah, went to a range on my 22nd or 23rd birthday with some friends and fired a .45 a whole bunch. That’s the first and last time I fired a gun. Haven’t had much motivation to do it again.
>>723893053The British MIC, small arms in particular, has been left to atrophy for decades prior due to the MoD's complete disinterest in domestic firearm development.Those four blokes were particularly autistic about competition shooting.
>>723889448They are objectively better but boomers get extremely intimidated by change
>>723862297Yup. Single-shot shotgun grandpa had. .22 bolt action in school for sports shooting. Also AK. Nothing special about any of those.
723891929>people switch to Israeli/Yugoslavian>Israeli/Yugoslavian>Yugoslavian
>>723896695Its both anon. Its a mentally retarded bait, and/or mental retards trying to bait.
>>723862713I heard the later revisions are decent-to-good but the first version was so bad the whole line will never be rid of the reputation.
Wasn't the whole point of the Dragunov to give a squad the ability to effectively shoot further than what an AK was capable of? It was never meant to be a precision rifle. It was a glorified pistol with a scope at best.
I want somebody to break down the Handmade Rifle from Fallout 4 Nukaworld dlc in this thread. In game that was one of the most bullshit, high damaging rifle weapons in game no matter who used it, but i feel like somebody was bullshitting in terms of reality.
>>723893053>bri'ish government>not incompetent
I like that after decades of "bro the OICW, the SCAR, bro the XM8 is the future" in shooters even COD just gave up and said "yeah here's your futuristic AR, bro, your perfectly balanced and highly modular hero rifle"
>ITT: Slavshits screaming racism and "GIB PROOFS!" when someone calls out their pisspoor attempts at gunsYou really are just european niggers.
>>723869616>US arms industry>not a nepobabby fest with cunts calling in all manner of favors to undercut their competitionLoyalty doesn't mean shit when spite and autism gets involved. These faggots would sink their own battleships if it meant their precious toys get in the door first.
>>723898219The AR15 literally cannot be beat.
>>723897627That's what it is, yeah. Even with the machinegun ammo it is more accurate than an AK and has a scope. But fuddlore boomers know better.
What is the quintessential girl guns, NATO and Warsaw Pact?
>>723898063>already had the perfect blend of a not G3 and chink AK in Fabio's favorite game of Fallout 3>still make a garage AK because your original basegame versions are tied between a franken Lewis and a shotgun larping as a machinegunLogic no longer applies when it comes to explaining the reasoning behind their ideas.
>>723898678Galil
>>723898063It's an ak. An AK is not something you make by hand. Remember the japanese anthrax attack? That same cult had smuggled an AK-74 into japan, reversed engineered it, and were trying to produce their own copies. They managed to get 1 working rifle after making like 100 attempts and these people were reasonably well equipped. Fallout 4 gives it a dumb shovel handle stock because apparently people can make an incredibly complex rifle but can't cut a piece of wood or metal into a proper stock shape.
How does the average DMR fare compared to the average hunting rifle ? I read something about bolt-action having a natural advantage due to less moving parts.
>>723897627That's basically all DMRs. Soviets were ahead of the curve when most countries couldn't be bothered to put a fucking scope on their 308 rifles until the last minute
>>723899047>>723898726yeah thanks. There definitely was some bullshit going on.
>>723899124Basically. The DMR concept is basically meant to bridge the gap that assault/battle rifles can't but still provide more volume and rate of fire compared to a bolt action rifle but since you're dependent on the power of the cartridge cycling the rifle the rifle's going to move a little compared to a manual action.And sometimes you don't need the power of the strongest cartridges used in sniper rifles so it's an even tradeoff.
>>723899335heres a more in depth pic of it.
Why are Dragunovs loved while precision M14s are hated and ignored?
>>723899124Were at the point where the differences are negligible at best in the 0-1000 meter range if the rifle is good, you'll just have to pay more for a semi-auto precision rifle. Geissele put out a rifle for USSOCOM and they're getting sub-MOA shots with 6.5 creedmoorBolt actions are extreme long range KINGS though
I hate how in modern and futuristic games, the guns are all called random combinations of letters and numbers. I much prefer games like Titanfall where some of the guns are things like R-201, but most are things like Mozambique, Mastiff, Kraber, Softball, etc.
>>723899964
>>723889448The people who make them are stuck in the 1980s of gun design and clearly will never have to actually use them. Desert Tech has the closest thing to a "modernized" bullpup and it still sucks
>>723898469don't you have 15 slavwar threads to shit out /k/igger?
>>723900178Genuine question, but what to you is modernization in terms of firearms?
>>723899760I like how H&K went the same route as Kalashnikov: when you have a working platform, make sure that every fucking weapon you produce is just that platform.
>>723889448Overengineered solution to nonexistent problems.
>>723871975>jews>good
>>723873316im probably the only one who read that, intredasting
>>723900603Very cool designs.
>>723900261stop replying to the nafo trannies or they start dumping gore here
>>723900857
>>723899760Can your average person reach the cocking handle?
>>723883243>9x39 >most commonThe fuck? In the post apocalypse too?
>>723863435>a mud caked, rusted MosinA real russian needs nothing more to defeat the enemy
>>723901341How'd that go for all their conscripts with rusted out mosins in 2022?
Tbf the sig spear is a great rifle. Its just way too heavy to replace the lightweight infantry rifle. If it was the replacement for the HK 417 IAR instead, it would be amazing.
>>723899571>heavier>much less accurate>is just garand with scope
>>723863306This thing is bussing in BF4
>>723883243>>723901298Wait a minute, there wasn't a VSS in the first Metro at all, what the fuck are you talking about`?
>>723871495I liked it in babaji
Sexiest sniper rifle ever made.
>>723862216>>723862892yes we get it, you just watched the forgotten weapons video, mr gun expertits almost like Dragunov didn't get the USSR to mass adopt the match 7.62x54r rounds he specifically made for it, and they went with just using shitty ball 7.62x54r that is meant to be shit out by the beltful on a PKMwith the actual ammo Dragunov designed it was very accurate for the time
>>723901579Hard disagree that thing is fuglycorrect answer is picrel
>>723899837>we need a sniper rifle for our L33T assassin
>>723901760AWM is very pretty by modern standards and its probably my 2nd pick, but in terms of modern snipers nothing beats the MRAD. Its tacticool enough but still slick enough to look clean.
>>723901493Metro had the VSK. Basically the same thing.
>>723862892>wtf i put 80 year old surplus ammo designed for a machinegun into a marksman rifle and its not accurate this gun is shit!Now what is the MOA witth match ammo retard?
This red gun is pretty flamboyant.https://www.joint-forces.com/defence-equipment-news/70554-accuracy-international-announce-new-products-for-2024
>>723902067I meant classic standards instead of modern the first time, fuck
>>723899472You can still keep the rifle but throwing out the Chinese and American ones that came before it is just plain wasteful. Just chalk it up to China attempting to have a middle ground between their baseline standard issue and the gauss rifle. Not strong enough to strafe someone in T-51 but enough to keep his lessers from getting cocky. The alternative is going a step back further with locally produced Mausers accompanied by militia battalions consisting of hoes, guandaos and dados. For those absolute fanatics that have nothing to lose beyond what little honor they came in with.
>>723897627Fun fact: Taliban snipers armed with Dragunov/PSL raped amerimutts in afghanistan so hard they adopted XM7 as standard issue as a cope. But after 2022 they rewrite history as "everything made by russians was always bad because ghost of kyiev shot down 6 gorillion russian jets while flying ww1 bi-plane" or whatever
>>723866534>>723897329when was the last time america won a war?not even once. beaten by rice farmers and goat farmers.
>>723903036That's not really why, its just gun drama. The point of the XM7 is a cartridge thats better adapted for a weapon that will be used suppressed 100% of the time so soldiers don't suffer hearing loss anymore. The special high pressure round the gun is supposed to use in actual combat is designed to upkeep range and performance despite a heavier loading that eliminates a supersonic crack.It's not a rifle meant for any combat advantage, its literally a medical upgrade for soldiers.
>>723882856That's just accurate to real life. Vintorezs fire dogshit subsonic unicorn ammo that in exchange for being fairly quiet out of an integrally-suppressed gun has an absolutely asspiss ballistic profile.
>>723864937Genuinely interesting and good rifle that was way, WAY too fucking expensive per unit for any country to want to actually buy, ESPECIALLY Russia who has always been a nation of dirt farmers. Even the indulgently wasteful US would have been put off by the price.
>>723895385It's only dangerous if you have something to lose in the fight.
>>723891667It stops being useful against anyone with decent armor. Fuck outta here nigger who never made it past the garbage.
>>723899448>since you're dependent on the power of the cartridge cycling the rifle the rifle's going to move a little compared to a manual actionYou think there's no recoil in a bolt-action? If anything, a semi-auto will have less recoil since a part of it will be used to cycle the action.
>>723898726>Logic no longer applies when it comes to explaining the reasoning behind their ideas.They did exactly what they set out to do according to their own logic, it was just really fucking stupid. Also the original art director from FO3 died which probably led to things like the Institute toilet armor.
>>723904402one more than america
>>723862297I have fired a couple through a tv
>>723862297Just a 22. and a homemade musket that my uncle made for shits and giggles.
>>723903359>
>>723905075>leave saddam in place>have to invade years later againthats how americans "win" wars?
>>723905075This level of air supremacy is frankly obscene.
>>723905197Is Saddam in the room with us now
>>723870327Ruger sells a cheapish 5.7 pistol. It looks neat. Rounds are $0.38 a round though, roughly equal to 5.56. I'd buy one, but my rifle is good enough for now.
>>723905704he is hiding in in images to this day
Why is it in real life assault rifles are kings but in fps its SMGs and PDWs?
>>723904789we beat you in both world wars, tranny
>>723863306>tfw in stalkie it has ten trillion firerate, damage, accuracy>only held down by bullet drop if you dint upgrade it right
>>723905902The world has surpassed the need for PDWs because now you can just use an intermediate cartridge in a smaller gun and still get way more performance that any SMG/PDW would dream of.
>>723905902Most games don't simulate real life engagement ranges because shooting at tiny pixels isn't fun.
>>723903359>t. CEO of losing wars
>>723905902HitmarkersOnce the millitary adopts hitscan tech the smgs will reign, not even drones would stop them
P90 is the best gun>>723863306Shit rules in battlefield 3 and insurgency sandstorm.
>>723906318Tell that to fps devs not me, I'm tired of seeing assault rifles outperformed in every metric by small caliber bullet hoses
>>723903595Will 7.62 ever make a return or has it been deemed too heavy even against armor?
>>723906031lol no, the british and french in the first, the russians in the second
>>723905902lack of realism in damage and armor and range. irl rifles shoot farther and penetrate armor better and kill and incapacitate better so no one uses smgs
>>723869856My go to gun in rainbow six Vegas 2. Also good in insurgency sandstorm. It's perfectly balanced in insurgency, because you still need to hit your targets with realistic recoil.
>>723899357>insurgency sandstorm mega killer build
>>723905902The factors that make SMGs and PDWs inferior to full size rifles in real life are often not relevant in games.>few games account for body armor being capable of stopping SMG rounds>few games allow for engagements at ranges where the ballistic differences matter>most games treat hard cover as impenetrable and soft cover as purely visual so penetrative differences don't matter
What's the most rectangular gun in the world?
>>723862216I hate how crooked this gun looks. It makes me uncomfortable.
>>723906784g11 or wa2000
>>723906879Yeah, those are square-related, thanks.
>>723869856Inaccurate dog shit in rainbow six siege.
>>723899335>>723899472Based on a real gun a dude made. He pounded the shovel itself flat and made an AK receiver from it. The thread was on northeastshooters back in 2012 or 2013.
>>723906587nope. the bongs and the french were on the verge of surrender in the first world war and in the second world war like 95% of Russian food, fuel, ammo, boots, steel and trucks came from the US. russia and the bongs didn't contribute shit. we beat you on our own both times
>>723871930This is a NAFO thread.So yes.
>>723906535What games has that been happening in because I've played most call of duty games recently released and ARs have always been solid meta choices.
>>723907112did you learn history from hollywood movies?
>>723890220Those guns are WAY too clean to be anything more than rack princesses in a suburban dad's mancave.
>>723871921I really like the Hi-Power. Is it a good gun to shoot?
>>723882852>any battle rifleExcept the G3.
>>723907626It just needs to be the paratrooper shortie
>>723906772Only game I've played where bullet drop off matters is SQUAD. even then it's rare for cover penetration to matter in ages due to how little ammo you have.>>723907058Because it was too good in rainbow six Vegas.
>>723871921>all of these fags talking shit about your TV, tabs or whatever instead of just apologizing for calling you nogunzRidiculous.
>>723905902When fighting in close quarters militaries and police use SMGs.
>>723902342VSK still uses 9x39. Metro devs and author simply doesn't understand anything about guns. Another example is Russians using .44 magnum revolver as their main secondary weapon. But they don't have .44 magnum revolver IRL. So in the game Russians are using american colt python (chambered in .357) to portray Russian .44 magnum revolver. My autism just can't take it.
>>723907818I wonder if they based it on the book or came up with it themselves.
>>723900857Aaaand the middle child got neglected, as always.
>>723907328go look up lend lease, tranny boy. without the US the commies literally couldn't feed their army. nearly every single pair of boots the russians wore were made in the US. if it wasn't for us they literally would have starved to death and died in the cold with no food, no boots and no fuel or vehicles
>>723907818I always thought the Metro revolver looked specifically like a Dan Wesson .357, the kind with the interchangeable barrels.
>>723907078the barrel is also just a piece of pipe, if I remember right.
>gun is underrepresented in games
>>723907951pro commie faggots
>>723898219Well, at least the SCAR still appears in newer games and real life.
>>723908341you are just mad because germany's been a slave race for as long as germany has been a nation
>>723908450tell me about your freedumbs
>>723889549>bigger boolet = moar dedIve seen a man get shot in the chest 1 time and he crumpled like paper and died. No clue why it takes 3 shots to the chest in squad. However the Asval is a 2 shot kill unless theyre beyond 100m. Squad is a mess.
>>723908089I want that gun that has a 100 round drum of .22lr. Would be fun in games.
>>723863306this gun is exceptional at wgat it does, if outclassed due to age, 300 blackout is better now, still beautiful gun
>>723904615>You think there's no recoil in a bolt-action? If anything, a semi-auto will have less recoil since a part of it will be used to cycle the action.Bolt action recoil is more predictable, you can feel it only moving back to your shoulder. But with self loading rifles sometimes it can go anywhere from vertical to horizontal due to the moving parts.
>>723862216any bolt action rifle, competely obsolete weapon IRL that gets good stats in games because jerking your gun is cool
>>723908540tell me about how you go to jail for questioning the holocaust and how you can't own guns and how your country was occupied by foreign armies for half of it's existence >>7238895495.56 tumbles. it's why the russians switched from 7.62 to 5.45
>>723869827a bunch of reasons>it was marketed to military, but shotguns were already falling out of favor in the military for general use and were instead becoming specialized tools>it was marketed to law enforcement since it could be pump/semi for both low pressure less lethal cartridges and regular shot, but liability issues means LE rarely if ever uses less lethal ammo in a shotgun not specifically designated for it>it was really heavy even as far as shotguns go>LE and the civilian market didnt have much use for a tactical semiauto shotgun>reliability and safety catch issues were very prevalent>gas operated shotguns are notoriously picky about reliabily cycling unfamiliar ammunition and the SPAS was no exception>firearms import bans forbid importing guns that have no “accepted sporting purpose” for the civilian market and the SPAS was most assuredly not designed as a sporting shotgun (they tried to rebrand but it didnt catch on)really it was doomed to fail but now its known as the “jurassic park and half life shotgun” and each one is like 3000$ minimum
I NEVER FELT LIKE
>>723901480>much less accurate>Just garand with a scopeThis is true for the original xm21 in Vietnam. But m14 ebr is different, the steel and polymer exterior significantly reduced warping to the barrel and therefore accuracy accuracy.
>>723863306>so shit americans are cloning it nowsure buddy
>>723907764Militaries use carbines
>>723908982dosnt the adl basically cancel you when airing your opinion about jews or holohoax? I dont get jailed for it.you can own guns in germany.us has a few miliary bases since the end of ww2. yet you pay billions to israel annually for some fucking reason with a chief kike in office that has to suck jew cock every fucking day.tell me again about your freedumbs. you arent even allowed to drive fast on your highways lmao.
>>723862216>gun irl>scholarship to hebin dispenser>nigger calling card>impotent yank security blanket>terrorist wand>deer poker
>>723870213wooden furniture, it's literally that simpleeven a garbage mutt rifle like a HK416 could look good with a wooden stock and handguard
>>723907764Not in like 20 years. The only people that use SMG's anymore are body guards and cartel members.
>>723864404based
>>723907764>>723909184no one uses SMGs anymore. I think the only group that might still use it are like secret service who need to hide their guns under their coats and some special forces will use MP7s as like sidearms instead of a handgun. Like the second guy said, everyone just uses carbines or short barreled rifled (which are just carbines).the only reason people ever used SMGs was because they were easier to make than semi auto short barreled rifles. even now it's not uncommon for really short ARs to be piston driven because it was hard to make ARs short and the fucking m1 garand is literally archaic magic where if you change any detail of the design like the barrel length it stops working>>723909321>dosnt the adl basically cancel you when airing your opinion about jews or holohoax?nah, people do holocaust denial all the time hereyou can't own guns. germany gives israel free subs even though the german military doesn't have any tanks or jets and your government banned the most popular political party for being anti immigrant. you live in an occupied slave colony that has no rights. you aren't even allowed to fly the german flag
I want games with paratrooper variants of guns like the FAL and G3
>>723889448Harder trigger pull and awkward to reload. Conventional rifle is just more intuitive to load.
>>723909396guns are based, tranny boy>>723909448the hk416's literally a yuro gun, yuro tranny. HK is turkish, not American
>>723908964>competely obsolete weapon IRLThey are used for precision shooting
>>723909668you can own guns, retard.
>>723864404For me it is the SKS: Bubba edition
>>723871074First: NoSecond: Nice moving the goalposts after your NAFO lies are exposed, troon.
>>723909785only in like fucking f class where you are shooting out to 1,200 yards and the olympic small bore shit due to yuro laws>>723909846no you can't tranny boy. show me your AR
>>723909036Not just less lethal ammo. magnesium door buster rounds or slugs all have different blowback levels. You're right about the liability though. Imagine giving the crayon eating psychopath police even more plausible deniability to kill people.
>>723908964bolt actions have an inheirently more precise action and the M40A3/A5 is still a standard issue sniper rifle for the USMC
>>723866875sp5 is not terrible (at the start of wipe)
>>723901470It also need longer a barrel as its accuracy kinda suck. Idk what it is with american military and obsessing over short barrel for everything even DMR's. Is it because they are Jews and like cutting extra length?
>>723909957I have 2 rifles in the cellar. go be a jew slave somewhere else.
>>723869856overpowered in tarkov
>>723902410It looks like a toy.
>>723910007every gram of weight they can save in the spreadsheet of a soldier’s loadout is another gram of some other ridiculous thing they can carry
>>723871921>>723872040>>7238710742 MOA is fucking fine. hell 2 MOA is great. most guns that say >muh 1 moaare really closer to 2 MOA, they just cherry pick groups and use match ammo. there's no fucking way an off the rack military rifle is shooting better than 2 moa consistently with off the shelf military ammo. 2 MOA also gets you out to like 900 yards on a human sized target>>723909883I fucking HATE how /k/ has some yuro nafo troon mod and how the entire fucking board is russia shit instead of being about private gun ownership and they let the nafo faggots harass people in every thread and then ban you when you tell them to fuck off. that and they ban you for "/pol/" but they let lefties go on and seethe about the president and lie about republicans doing gun control
>>723910075>Eurofag pretends that being allowed to own Pop Pop's 5-round hunting rifle means his country has gun rights
>>723902406To be fair the only subhumans who'd be using one of those these days is a russian who'd do exactly that
>>723862216>>Actual gun is shit irl>>Absolutely broken in videogamesIt's cause people believe the numbers that the Soviet Union put out, which if you think about it obviously the Soviet Union would put out inflated numbers.
>>723910223>has do back paddlefucking topkek. pathetic.
>>723903036>Taliban snipers armed with Dragunov/PSL raped amerimutts in afghanistan so hard they adopted XM7 as standard issue as a copeNot really. It was actually because of PKM and they still won those fight with DMR. But MIC being MIC just wanted to waste another billion dollar to make every soldier a designated marksman
>>723862216These were never meant to be used as sniper rifles, thats what most people get wrong about it.
>>723909998>bolt actions have an inheirently more precise actionnot really. I have an Hbar AR that will outshoot any WWII military bolt action. bolts are just cheaper to make accurate and if you are using any round bigger than 7.62x51/54r you need a bolt action because no one makes a semi auto action that bigwhenever you see someone using a bolt gun it's either due to price, weight or they are using weird ammo that doesn't fit in ar-10 mags>>723910075>Germany accounted for 30% of weapons imports into Israel between 2019 and 2023.seems like you are israel's pet. do you bark like a good boy when bibby gives you treats?you don't own any guns. guns are banned in germany. show me your AR
>>723864937Too expensive for marginal gain.
>>723910485is a rifle a gun, yes or no?>do you bark like a good boy when bibby gives you treats?Im not the US government.
>>723870213it's the wood
>>723862216The only Western gun that came close was the PSG-1 and it was heavier, more expensive, and wasn't in every platoon. The M-14 was lol lmao
>>723909883>NOO YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE SUPERIOR RUSSIAN FIREARMS REEE NAFO
>>723910485what im saying is all things being equal, a rifle using a bolt action has inheirently less moving parts and a more stable accuracy than the same rifle with a semi-automatic action. yes there are shitty bolt guns and antiques that won’t outshoot a modern semi-auto but modern precision rifles are sub moa for shooting accurately at extreme distances.
>>723910223good post, cooked that hog>>723910262it's more like OP doesn't understand the realities of a military rifle designed and built in the 1960s. even with realistic numbers assuming it's not shooting fucking 8 moa it had a 4x scope so 4 moa gets you out to 400 yards and it wouldn't be super realistic to make consistent hits out past 400 yards in real world scenarios without a dedicated sniper rifle or a machine gun anyway >muh KD rangeKD targets are the size of a car
>gun is extremely rare IRL but appears in a million video games and films anyway
>>723910607>is a rifle a gun, yes or no?Are you allowed to own anything that holds more than five rounds?
>>723910209That is what I've been saying. For a DMR rifle 2 moa with match ammo is perfectly fine. Getting automatic rifles much lower than that becomes increasingly expensive. It is why an SR-25 costs like $10000. And then once you have developed your sub 1 MOA rifle then you need to find the shooters and produce the ammo that can consistently reproduce that accuracy. Nogunz retards honestly do way too much e-peen measuring on something they will never touch. They don't even understand what MOA is. All they know it is a number that makes my chinese shitbox or my built in the USA wunderwaffe better than yours.
>>723910223He has more gun rights in terms of what models and configurations he can own than Americans in the states most people live.
>>723910792It really is a sexy gun though
>>723910827so its a gun. thanks for confirming that germans can have guns.
>>723903036they were using enfields and mosins, yuro tranny. and the xm7 shit is more due to someone bribing someone for a military contact than anything else, troon>>723906539there's literally no benefit to using a .30 cal for a rifle against humans over one of the newer rounds
>>723910792It just looks so cool
>>723907764This is not the 90's military use SMG anymore. Even tank crew and heli pilots are given carbine as their back up weapon.
>>723910485Yes of course a modern rifle is going to outshoot a 80 year old rifle that has the barrel pressed into a wooden stock with a metal band. Are you retarded?
>>723910607>Im not the US government.see>Germany accounted for 30% of weapons imports into Israel between 2019 and 2023.sounds like israel walks you like a dog>is a rifle a gun,may I see this rifle?>>723910698PSG-1 is a totally different rifle with a totally different use case. They made the PSG-1 for swat and anti terrorism units and then tried to adapt it to being a military dmr in the 90s because germany was bankrupted by reunification
>>723869419Literally because Arnold Schwarzenegger needed a pistol that didn't look tiny compared to his hand so the result was a brick that shot something even bigger than it could handle.
>>723907889The author of metro novels worked closely with the game developers. He also write for the games as it have different story from the book. For example the colonel in the game always cares for artyom and his men while the book colonel is a classic russian asshole to the end.
>>723910781are you in this thread?>>>/k/64417151
>>723863306Well what’s bad about it. In my opinion I always viewed it as a kind of assassination weapon and not to fight armored grunts
>>723911171so german arms manufacturers profit from israel instead of giving it all away for free like the US? based.and no, I wont make any effort for some jew slave.
>>723910792it's just a sexy german bullpup with wood furnishing, forget everything else.If we took every bullpup out there and put wood on them, gamers would think those are the only guns ever used they would be so prevalent in games and media.
>>723879202Okay we'll take that as a "no" lmao. Now shut the fuck up.
>>723910763I've shot high power. most centerfire rifle shooting competitions in the US are done with AR based semi autos. my high power rifle will out shoot most modern hunting rifles too. the only shooting comps that use bolts are like the "hunting" one where you need a certain energy threshold that I don't think you can get in semi autos and like f class because you are shooting out to 1,200 yards and those are like semi custom rifles and I think they use weird bullets that won't fit into any off the shelf semi auto action. Like the super long heavy bullet for a given cartridge bullets or super long cartridges. Like some high power shooters, for the slow fire stages, use bullets that wouldn't fit in mags due to the OAL because you single load for slow fire anyway >>723910856yup, and even has gunz shooters are retarded about it>muh gun is sub moayou shot 25 groups and cherry picked the best one lol. there are like nerd debates on youtube about how you should measure moa too. hell the old army standards allowed or fliers as well, they didn't even measure moa like we do.
>>723908017It's a mix of both, the ejector rod housing shape is clearly form a python. That's why it triggers my autism. Its clearly a mix of all American revolvers yet somehow it is used and made by Russians.
>723911321
>>723903036truuuuue
>>723910886he can't own an AR and most of the state awbs don't actually do anything. I live in an awb state and I own 2 legal "AR style rifles" they just can't have a bayonet lug or flash hider>>723911005so bolts aren't inherently more accurate, retard? because if they were they would outshoot all semis
>>723906031Without the US Germany wins both, cope.
>>723911660well if only “most” and not “all” are using semi autos and you need a bolt to get a cartridge with enough energy to get out past 1200yd, it sounds like bolt actions arent as obsolete and irrelevant as claimed
>>723910209yeah
>>723911309nah, every time I go on /k/ some fucking nafo tranny shits up my thread for being a >slide threadand then janny bans me for telling the nafo tranny that I don't give a shit about 3rd world countries and that he should fuck off, but it's apparently fine for no gunz yuros on /k/ to shit up threads and call everyone indian. >>723911321that was the german government, not any german company. german companies are verbodin from selling guns internationally. that's why hk is turkish.bibby walks you like a dog. you also gave him free submarines
>>723911839>let me take the worst example of a bolt action rifle and compare it against something moderately decentYes ww2 bolt action rifles with non freefloated barrels and receiver heat treat issues are not going to be more accurate than anything. I think you could find some shotguns that are more accurate than your off the shelf mauser/enfield/mosin-nagant/
>>723912059>nah, every time I go on /k/ some fucking nafo trannyAll I needed to know to disregard your opinion, thanks.
>>723911309>>723912059oh to add to that, I just looked at the op a little more. no one is fucking shooting 800m with an unscoped m14. that's retarded. they're basing effective range on when the bullet falls, not based on what you can physically see. the only guns shooting that far are machine guns because you can just put so many rounds down range and walk it in with an observer and dedicated snipers
>>723862297Ive fired shot guns, a hunting rifle, and this mounted machine gun thing that im 100% certain was illegal but my redneck friends parents had it and let us target shoot with it. Was fun
>>723912059>german companies are verbodin from selling guns internationally. that's why hk is turkish.never heard this one before, amerimutt always deliver the funniest copes
>>723909036>firearms import bans forbid importing guns that have no “accepted sporting purpose” for the civilian market and the SPAS was most assuredly not designed as a sporting shotgun (they tried to rebrand but it didnt catch on)This is the only reason. Even if the army and LE didn't want it, it would have succeed if it didn't get gimped by the assault weapon ban. The success in civilian market would mean the gun getting upgrade based on feedback and financial incentive and maybe finally got adopted by LE after a couple of tweaking. But the ban gave them zero incentive to continue the project and fix its problems. Especially the loading method, having to keep pressing a button to load it seems annoying as hell.
It's amazing how every /v/idya gunz thread has people going >Uh /k/ has been overrun with shills. These threads are the only place I can actually talk about gunsAnd then everyone precedes to be more autistic and pedantic then /k/.
>>723911879yeah probably, but we joined both wars and dog walked germany so you germans can cope>>723911950they aren't obsolete, they are just super niche. most people don't really have a reason to shoot 1,200 yards. even in war you would use a mortar or mg for that and good luck seeing that far in most of the world. afghanistan is weird because it's a desert with a shit ton of mountains but you couldn't shoot that far in like the argonne or vietnam
>>723912292>amerimuttNo its even worse, he is an underage ban.
>>723911615You have never shot a Dragonuv in your life either though
>>723909181>cloning itOne guy with partial inaccurate measurements performing the engineering equivalent of "eyeballing it" and getting mocked by anyone with real understanding of firearms.Even a dumbass star wars fanboy managed to do a better job making an MP7 clone and it still put his company under
>>723912125you can free float an AR>>723912176I don't give a shit about fucking third world countries you retard. shit happening on the otherside of the world doesn't fucking affect me. the only way I would care about something happening in a foreign country is if it was japan because muh video games. yurop doesn't produce shit so it's not relevant. I don't want faggots shitting up my thread about irrelevant thirdy shit
>>723911615whoa you really owned that poster from 8 hours ago
>>723910007It's a natural result of the needing to procure shorter and shorter AR15s, now an actual M16 seems quaint. (aka, Canadian)
>>723909668>the fucking m1 garand is literally archaic magic where if you change any detail of the design like the barrel length it stops workingwouldn't that be true of most any gas operated rifle?
>>723912292>>723912508I'm not underaged. also weird you would call someone mutts when all germans are turkish or russian rape babies due to the occupation. I don't think there are any whites in germany.HK literally manufactures their shit in turkey due to german laws. go look it up. their factories are turkish, troon
>>723912820The Garand is particularly finicky. Early on there was an issue where if the first round in the clip was on the left it would cause the rifle to fail to cycle on every single round of that clip. This was due to some geometry inside the receiver being rounded instead of square.
>>723911171>PSG-1 is a totally different rifle with a totally different use caseAgreed, but it's the only thing that comes close to the SVD while not being an inaccurate garbage rod or beating itself out of zero.
>>723912409>>723909036>>723869827didn't the spaz come out in the 90s? you can go look up gun sales, they were shit in the 90s and even when they rebounded in the mid 2000s no one was buying shotguns. everyone just buys ARs or handguns now because people don't hunt. that's why remingshit and marlin went under. even mossberg says they sell more retarded memeshotguns than hunting shotguns since shotgun sales are so low. hell the fact that no one has joined the market to replace the 870 tells you that there's no shotgun market
>>723869861God it's like watching a chimpanzee.
>>723905340what it doesn't show is the 15 year SEAD campaign that predated DS
>>723870891I remember that Forgotten Weapons video.
>>723912878>HK literally manufactures their shit in turkey due to german laws. go look it up. their factories are turkish, troon>The company is located in Oberndorf am Neckar, Baden-Württemberg and also has subsidiaries in the United Kingdom, France, and the United States. why are amerishitskins so fucking retarded? is it due to circumcision?
>>723912481it's not gun shills on /k/ everyone is seething about. everyone is seething about how /k/ is all fucking yuro trannies talking about muh russia and left wing democrats trying to say reagan did the 1994 awb. that's the fucking issue. its like 90% ukraine sloppa threads and if you post anything complaining about that shit you get banned but the fags shitting shit up with ukraine and left wing politics never get banned>>723910007>>723912813barrel length doesn't affect accuracy. that's like a myth from black powder and iron sight days. it affects velocity so it effects max range, but as long as the bullet is super sonic barrel length doesn't affect accuracy. they want short barrels so you can take the gun in and out of vehicles easier and also to cut down on weight since they put so many fucking accessories on the damn thing
>>723913016that sounds like bullshit and i'm having a hard time even picturing how that would occur
>>723913349And you reduce barrel whip
>>723913061you can read the entire second post you replied to in which I explained numerous factors as to why its sales performed poorly despite the shotgun being so widely known.
>>723912820the garand was like the first mass produced military semi auto rifle it's like borderline insane how if you change anything on it it instantly becomes unreliable. idk how garand got that thing to work. you can make a FAL or an AK shorter way easier than making like a tanker garand >>723913356go look up like >garand 7th round stoppagethe whole fucking thing is crazy with how close to failure the garand generally was at any given time
Put a scope on a stock M14 200 yards out will it have the same accuracy as a Dragunov?
>>723913270germans are so fucking retarded you still haven't done manned space flight, you haven't invented the AC but you invented trannies. go look up where their factories are. they are in turkey germantranny>>723913494that too>>723913531nah, reading is for faggots
>>723863815Dragunov is a sniper rifle for girls because of her actually
>>723913739choose to be willfully ignorant
>>723913739>has literally zero proof of his mythical turkish HK factories existing>keeps doubling down on his retardation anywaywhat being an obsese, leadbrained, circumcised israeli slave does to a mfer
>>723906083>held backthe drop is the funnest part
>>723913736No, because the M-14 kept beating itself out of zero, even if you picked parts to create a match grade system. It was an armorer's nightmare, and not even fancy new chassis systems really could salvage it in the 2000s.There was a reason it was replaced by the M40.
>>723913105*Orangutan
>>723908982>it's why the russians switched from 7.62 to 5.45They switched because 5.45 is lighter and kills things dead just fine
>>723914185It was actually replaced by the SR-25 in the 90's.
>>723913736a Dragunov probably has a smaller moa, but at 200 yards it's like 6 inches vs 8 inches. like it's not a big enough difference to actually matterthe whole reason for the dragnov is because 7.62x39 has fucking ass ballistics. it drops by 6.5 inches at 200 yards. and AR or an m14 would have less than 2 inches drop at that range >>723914065use google retard. your country literally gives more aid to israel than we do and all germans are ethnically turkish or russianliterally a slave race
>>723914303>and kills things dead just fine5.56 and 5.45 both create larger wound cavities than 7.62x39. the russian 7.62x39 ball ammo just icepicks
>>723905075>millions worth of payload to level some goat herder shacks
>>723914347burden on proof is on you lardass, post those HK factories in turkey that only exist in your tiny brain full of lead
>>723914903you were literally proven wrong about everything else in this thread, jewish slave. bark for bibby, then give him his foreign aid and guns for free you little jewish lapdog
>>723914849>4th largest Army>goat herder shacks
>>723907946my beloved red headed stepchild
>>723914994so you're not going to post them? as expected of a 70IQ subhuman lardass
>>723915017those were used pretty extensively because you couldn't suppress ARs at the time>>723915058white Americans have higher IQs and score better than germans. germans are so fucking retarded they still can't into space and still can't into ACbut hey, at least you guys invented trannies and losing wars
>>723915197>white americansoxymoron, you are all brown and retarded
>>723915335You are thinking of your own country. Pretty funny how America has gone to the moon, and germany can't even into space and the only thing a german has ever invented ever is trannies. that's the sole german contribution to the world. the smartest german ever, invented trannies. no wonder you sub 60 IQ faggots can't win a war
>>723915474>loses to goat herders in afghanistan and jungle dwellers in vietnamkek, why are amerimutts so bad at war?
>>723915529wow, goat fuckers and jungle dwellers put up a better fight than the germans? afgans must be way smarter and whiter than the german people
